OT: Nobody Wants Tax Cuts For Wealthy

dave

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Dec 5, 2010, 9:05:50 AM12/5/10

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except some of the wealthy and ALL of their Republican STOOGES!

"...As for taxes, just yesterday, CBS News released a poll that found
just a quarter of respondents wanted tax cuts for everyone, while 53
percent wanted tax cuts extended for just families hauling in less than
$250,000 per year. A smaller group, 14 percent, want the Bush tax cuts
ended for everyone, and hey, at least those people are deficit hawks
worthy of the name, unlike the Republicans now in Congress. And here's
the real kicker: Just 46 percent of Republicans polled, less than half,
want tax cuts extended for everyone. That represents a plurality of
Republicans, with 41 percent wanting just the middle class cuts, but if
the Republicans in Congress aren't even carrying out the will of the
majority of their base, and far from the will of the American people at
large, just who the hell are they catering to?..."
-http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-sweeney/new-poll-shows-most-oppos_b_791558.html

(The repubs claimed the demos were wrong not to listen to the opinion
polls last summer, now the shoes are juxtaposed. Will the republicans be
swayed by the lack of even a majority of republican support for higher
deficits out here in the hinterlands?)

RHF

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Dec 5, 2010, 11:24:05 AM12/5/10

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On Dec 5, 6:05 am, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
> except some of the wealthy and ALL of their Republican STOOGES!
>

- "...As for taxes, just yesterday, CBS News released a poll that
found
- just a quarter of respondents wanted tax cuts for everyone,

D'Oh! 'Special Dave' clearly 75% Don't Want a Tax Increase.

-Liberal-Lie- It Ain't A Tax Cut -if-
You are Maintaining the Same Present Old Rates.

- while 53 percent wanted tax cuts extended for just families
- hauling in less than $250,000 per year.

D'Oh! 'Special Dave' clearly The Majority
{Democracy} Don't Want a Tax Increase.

- A smaller group, 14 percent, want the Bush tax cuts
- ended for everyone,

D'Oh! 'Special Dave' clearly a 'minority' of Radical
Left-Wing Liberals are in-favor of Big Government
and Re-Distribution of Wealth -aka- Taxing Everyone
into Poverty.

> and hey, at least those people are deficit hawks
> worthy of the name, unlike the Republicans now in Congress. And here's
> the real kicker: Just 46 percent of Republicans polled, less than half,
> want tax cuts extended for everyone. That represents a plurality of
> Republicans, with 41 percent wanting just the middle class cuts, but if
> the Republicans in Congress aren't even carrying out the will of the
> majority of their base, and far from the will of the American people at
> large, just who the hell are they catering to?..."

> -http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-sweeney/new-poll-shows-most-oppos_b...

>
> (The repubs claimed the demos were wrong not to listen to the opinion
> polls last summer, now the shoes are juxtaposed. Will the republicans be
> swayed by the lack of even a majority of republican support for higher
> deficits out here in the hinterlands?)

Hello 'Special Dave' It Ain't a Tax "CUT"
*IF* you are simply Maintaining the Current Tax Rates
=SO= Stop Propagandizing The Democrat Big Government LIE !
http://www.glennbeck.com/images/news/2008/11/2008-1111-SoonToCome-Chris.jpg
.
'Special Dave' ?Nobody?
Clear many/most of the Wealthy {Top 10%}
still want the present 'old' Bush Tax Rates
and NOT the "New" Obama* Tax Increase !
http://www.pollsb.com/photos/o/88252-believe_income_redistribution.jpg
* Democrats Obama & Pelosi & Reid + etc & et al . . .
.
2011-Over-Taxed-R-Us :
Prez Obama is Failing Hard Working American
Tax Payers Time and Time Again
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/76952e71c9556317
* HEY! First-of-All : Why Hasn't Prez Obama proposed
the Continuation of the Extension of the Indexing of
Alternative Minimum Tax [AMT]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_Minimum_Tax
* NEXT! Second-of-All : Why Hasn't Prez Obama proposed
the Continuation of the Elimination of the Marriage Penalty
which will Increase Taxes on Married Couples ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_penalty
* NOW! Third-of-All : Dealing with the New Higher 2011
Obama & Pelosi & Reid Democrat Income Tax Brackets
http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2010/02/15/2011-federal-income-tax-brackets-irs-income-tax-rates/
-by- Keeping the good-old-lower Bush Income Tax
Brackets for those under $375K Capped at 35%
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/76952e71c9556317
-and- Set a '5-Tiered' Stepped-Up of 1% per Tier
System for Incomes that are above $375K.
.
Over-Taxed-R-Us : Just Say "NO" To BIG Government
Re-Distribution of Wealth ! -aka- Tax Everybody and
Make Everybody Tax Poor -wrt- Obama-Nomics©
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/22de64881b4723b3
The End Result Is : Obama-Tax-Slavery !©
.
.

Kevin Alfred Strom

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Dec 5, 2010, 11:52:27 AM12/5/10

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Why do you, of all people, even care about all this blather.

The regime in Washington is totally illegal and has no right to tax
anyone whatsoever. Surely you are aware of this.

With every good wish,

Kevin.
--
http://nationalvanguard.org/
http://kevinalfredstrom.com/

dave

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Dec 5, 2010, 12:28:30 PM12/5/10

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I occasionally drift into the real world. Democracy is of course long
dead and buried. Major trauma will ensue before we can successfully
re-animate its stinking carcass. A lot of serious re-prioritization
needs to happen. People are way too casual about this stuff.

BTW: I like black people. I think they are as capable as anyone and
deserve respect like everyone.

cuh...@webtv.net

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Dec 5, 2010, 12:34:10 PM12/5/10

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Only the wealthy (I am po) get tax cuts, the rest of us get
Shafted.Meanwhile, the CROOKED BASTARDS politicians are giving their
CROOKED ASSES a pay raise! Sompin is WRONG with that picture!
cuhulin

Kevin Alfred Strom

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Dec 5, 2010, 1:01:26 PM12/5/10

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On 12/5/2010 12:28 PM, dave wrote:
> Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
>> On 12/5/2010 9:05 AM, dave wrote:
>
>>> (The repubs claimed the demos were wrong not to listen to the
>>> opinion polls last summer, now the shoes are juxtaposed. Will the
>>> republicans be swayed by the lack of even a majority of republican
>>> support for higher deficits out here in the hinterlands?)
>>
>>
>>
>> Why do you, of all people, even care about all this blather.
>>
>> The regime in Washington is totally illegal and has no right to
>> tax anyone whatsoever. Surely you are aware of this.
>>
>>
>> With every good wish,
>>
>>
>> Kevin.
>
> I occasionally drift into the real world. Democracy is of course
> long dead and buried. Major trauma will ensue before we can
> successfully re-animate its stinking carcass. A lot of serious
> re-prioritization needs to happen. People are way too casual about
> this stuff.

Democracy isn't desirable anyway. But those who want to try it
should be able to.

I'd like devolved, smaller, kinship-based societies, but with lots
of choices for those who find a particular form of government
intolerable and need someplace to go. Confederations for mutual
defense might be necessary.

My choice would be a kinship-based society with a strictly limited
representative government and strictly limited franchise so that the
wisest and most thoughtful and knowledgeable would be the vast
majority of the electorate.

But mass democracy? No. There really can never be such a thing, at
least as its advocates promote it. I mean, just _look_ at the
majority of people. Look at them _close up_, in places where they
like to gather, like Wal-Mart. Taken as a whole, they are never
going to be able to even govern themselves, much less a society.
They will always be the pawns of knaves who want to buy their votes
with other people's money.

>
> BTW: I like black people. I think they are as capable as anyone and
> deserve respect like everyone.

I agree that all races deserve respect -- and deserve to survive as
independent entities.

I am not sure what you mean by "as capable as anyone," since
individuals and races both vary widely in the things they're good
at. Black people are certainly better at racial loyalty and unity
than White people. They are also better at sprinting, boxing, quick
verbal reactions, and a number of other things. Europeans are better
at some things, too. Like astrophysics and medicine.

You might believe that because I've advocated for White people, that
somehow I don't respect other races. But you'd be wrong. My respect
goes considerably further than the phony respect the establishment
promotes. I don't think White people should govern non-White people
-- ever. Or the reverse. I don't think we should be murdering the
non-White peoples of the Middle East or setting up puppet
governments in their countries -- and I was one of the first to
speak out against this. And I don't think the regime in Washington
should be setting up an economic/military empire to control and rule
over non-Whites in cooperation with Zionist billionaires.

With all good wishes,

amdx

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Dec 5, 2010, 5:55:38 PM12/5/10

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"dave" <da...@dave.dave> wrote in message
news:4cfb9c1f$0$5501$bd46...@news.dslextreme.com...

In 2008 the top 10% of earners paid 70% of all federal taxes.
The top 25% of earners paid 86% of all federal taxes.
Is it really your contention they should pay more?

Just to show how unequal the tax burden is, the bottom 50% of earners paid
a measly
2.7% of federal taxes.

I'll say it again 50% of tax payers only paid 2.7% of all federal taxes
paid.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html

*The latest year I see data for.
MikeK

Brenda Ann

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Dec 6, 2010, 12:38:22 AM12/6/10

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"amdx" wrote in message news:68e24$4cfc17b5$18ec6dd7$28...@KNOLOGY.NET...

Just to show how unequal the tax burden is, the bottom 50% of earners paid
a measly
2.7% of federal taxes.

I'll say it again 50% of tax payers only paid 2.7% of all federal taxes
paid.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Perhaps because the bottom 50% only made about 3% of the income??

RHF

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Dec 6, 2010, 5:53:38 AM12/6/10

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On Dec 5, 2:55 pm, "amdx" <a...@knology.net> wrote:
> "dave" <d...@dave.dave> wrote in message

>
> news:4cfb9c1f$0$5501$bd46...@news.dslextreme.com...
>
>
>
> > except some of the wealthy and ALL of their Republican STOOGES!
>
> > "...As for taxes, just yesterday, CBS News released a poll that found just
> > a quarter of respondents wanted tax cuts for everyone, while 53 percent
> > wanted tax cuts extended for just families hauling in less than $250,000
> > per year. A smaller group, 14 percent, want the Bush tax cuts ended for
> > everyone, and hey, at least those people are deficit hawks worthy of the
> > name, unlike the Republicans now in Congress. And here's the real kicker:
> > Just 46 percent of Republicans polled, less than half, want tax cuts
> > extended for everyone. That represents a plurality of Republicans, with 41
> > percent wanting just the middle class cuts, but if the Republicans in
> > Congress aren't even carrying out the will of the majority of their base,
> > and far from the will of the American people at large, just who the hell
> > are they catering to?..."

> > -http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-sweeney/new-poll-shows-most-oppos_b...

>
> > (The repubs claimed the demos were wrong not to listen to the opinion
> > polls last summer, now the shoes are juxtaposed. Will the republicans be
> > swayed by the lack of even a majority of republican support for higher
> > deficits out here in the hinterlands?)
>
> In 2008 the top 10% of earners paid 70% of all federal taxes.
> The top 25% of earners paid 86% of all federal taxes.
> Is it really your contention they should pay more?
>
> Just to show how unequal the tax burden is, the bottom 50% of earners paid
> a measly
> 2.7% of federal taxes.
>
> I'll say it again 50% of tax payers only paid 2.7% of all federal taxes
> paid.
>
> http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html
>
> *The latest year I see data for.
> MikeK

Over-Taxed-R-Us :
Most Voters Want Fair and Equitable Taxes
and Less Government Spending and Debt
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/3ed13078238d3f69
.
The Pending 2011 Obama+Pelosi+Reid Income Tax Increase
the Largest Tax Increase in the History of the USA !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/4f7f19affdaa6113
.
Why a Flat Tax PLUS National Tax System Is
Necessary For America's Future Financial Health
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/581688d9ba14b85b
.
Donkey's-R-Us :
Just Say 'NO' to Prez Obama's "Value Added Tax" [VAT]
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.misc/msg/4b2eb3e4f030809e
.
Reduce The Federal Tax and Tax Paper Work Burden For All
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/f78ec886a1452bf1
.
The True Is The Rich Do Not Pay Their Fair-Share :
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/bf4f9308219b78e4
Starting With Elimination The "Cap" On The Social
Security Payroll Taxes.
.
An American National Health Care System
is a Great Idea provided . . .
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/ce2ab5dd493917a2
.
Prez Obama -says- spend Spend SPEND
Prez Obama -says- tax Tax TAX
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/0864edf9bca744ca
ObamaNomics© = No Jobs and High Unemployment
+ Creating a Culture of Joblessness, Dependency
+ and Controlling Your Every Day Life
+ Plus Taxing Every Day You Live :
= That's Obama-Tax-Slavery© !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/fd2bc713ce1e20fa
.
.

amdx

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Dec 6, 2010, 8:24:12 AM12/6/10

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"Brenda Ann" <newsg...@fullspectrumradio.org> wrote in message
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I note you left out my reference whose source, charts from the Internal
Revenue Service.
And you did not include any reference for your 3%.
A quick search shows more like 13%, if I understand correctly.
From http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html
Also the top 50% pay 97.3% of Federal taxes
The bottom 50% pay 2.7% of federal taxes.
Same Chart.
What percentage of those in the bottom 50% would you think put
zero effort on moving out of the bottom?
My guess is that is a high number. I don't think a lot of people think about
their financial future. I'm convinced that lack of wealth is a temporary
condition,
a health problem or a lack of mental training.
Some families or cultures are just expected to do well and the children are
raised
to think that way. The schools need to teach this thought process.
But then, somebody's got to be in the bottom 50%!
MikeK

Iarnrod

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Dec 6, 2010, 8:37:03 AM12/6/10

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On Dec 6, 3:53 am, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
<SNIP>

You mean the Bush tax increases that are about to take effect due to
the sunset clause Bush signed that eliminated them in 2011.

These are BUSH tax increases, and the Democrats are trying to SPARE
the middle class from them.

But REPUBLICANS are SUPPORTING tax increases on the middle class
because they do not want the rich topay more.

FACT.

dave

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Dec 6, 2010, 9:04:05 AM12/6/10

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Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

>
> I am not sure what you mean by "as capable as anyone," since individuals
> and races both vary widely in the things they're good at. Black people
> are certainly better at racial loyalty and unity than White people. They
> are also better at sprinting, boxing, quick verbal reactions, and a
> number of other things. Europeans are better at some things, too. Like
> astrophysics and medicine.
>

And bespoiling their own nests and destroying planets. I'll take the
primitive, please. Civilization and empire is failure writ large. Back
to the feudal system for youze!

dave

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Dec 6, 2010, 9:19:37 AM12/6/10

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amdx wrote:

>
> In 2008 the top 10% of earners paid 70% of all federal taxes.
> The top 25% of earners paid 86% of all federal taxes.
> Is it really your contention they should pay more?
>

I generally don't trust random figures thrown into a conversation. I
know that they possess 90 something percent of the income so paying 86%
of taxes seems a little low.

I have nothing against people amassing huge amounts of money for sport,
they have that right. But ultimately, that karma needs to be cleansed,
so tax heavily above a reasonable amount, and use the money for great
public works. That is the American way (or was prior to Reagan's
revolution against all things American).

dave

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Dec 6, 2010, 9:21:58 AM12/6/10

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Brenda Ann wrote:

>
> Perhaps because the bottom 50% only made about 3% of the income??
>
>

Let them eat Ramen

dave

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Dec 6, 2010, 9:25:56 AM12/6/10

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amdx wrote:

> Same Chart.
> What percentage of those in the bottom 50% would you think put
> zero effort on moving out of the bottom?
> My guess is that is a high number. I don't think a lot of people think about
> their financial future. I'm convinced that lack of wealth is a temporary
> condition,

Potential for upward mobility is virtually non-existent right now. The
banksters have taken 30 trillion dollars and fled to Dubai. The house of
cards has collapsed. It's over. The banks are broke. The country is
broke. The only people who have any money today are the thieves who
stole it.

D. Peter Maus

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Dec 6, 2010, 9:42:02 AM12/6/10

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On 12/6/10 07:37 , Iarnrod wrote:
> On Dec 6, 3:53 am, RHF<rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> <SNIP>
>
> You mean the Bush tax increases that are about to take effect due to
> the sunset clause Bush signed that eliminated them in 2011.
>
> These are BUSH tax increases, and the Democrats are trying to SPARE
> the middle class from them.

Then, all the Democrats would have to do is to make them permanent.
That's all they've ever had to do. If protecting citizens from this
sunset was their goal, the Democrats could have done it 20 months ago,
when they had a super majority in both houses of Congress.

They didn't.

Kevin Alfred Strom

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Dec 6, 2010, 9:52:31 AM12/6/10

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By allowing the near-endless "economic expansion" required by the
finance-capitalist system (the system, that is, of having the banks
create all our money) we have all despoiled our own nests to some
extent.

But, having said that, I invite the reader to contemplate Zurich
versus Mexico City; or Rutland versus Detroit; or Florence versus
Harare -- or for that matter, Salisbury (Harare's former name)
during independence versus Harare today. There is a difference.

The primitive as it really is, Dave, is no better; in fact, it is so
much worse that its stench is unbelievable. (Now, if you are
advocating a primitive society composed of Thoreau and his kin, that
would be a different matter. Alaska, and other parts of rural
America where the Third Worlders haven't made a big impact yet, is
like that in some ways.)

It will take advanced minds to solve the problems that are inherent
to life on Earth and human societies, _not_ more primitive minds. It
will probably take more advanced minds than even exist today.

So making sure that such minds continue to exist -- and exist with
greater powers and in greater numbers in the future -- is our most
urgent need.

Making sure that somebody's "baby mama" has enough "benefits" so she
can run on up to the Burger King today -- which, in practical terms,
is exactly what "income redistribution" accomplishes -- should not
only _not_ be a societal priority, but taking away the precious
resources of our families to accomplish it should be regarded as an
ignoble crime.

With every good wish,

Kevin.

cuh...@webtv.net

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Dec 6, 2010, 10:00:47 AM12/6/10

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http://www.devilfinder.com
Mississippi Gasoline Prices December 2010

I filled up my van last month at the Murphy USA gas station in
Clinton,Mississippi, that is about four miles West of doggy's couch,
Highway 80.
Dam gas prices are UP this month! About thirty cents per gallon UP!
NO reason for that at all!
Y'all dems and libs can thank your Born in Kenya! Marxist buddy for
that.
cuhulin

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Dec 6, 2010, 12:28:50 PM12/6/10

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Hayba Lobba!
cuhulin

RHF

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Dec 6, 2010, 2:50:52 PM12/6/10

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On Dec 6, 6:21 am, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
> Brenda Ann wrote:
>
> > Perhaps because the bottom 50% only made about 3% of the income??

- Let them eat Ramen

'Special Dave' and soon your name may be "Ramen Dave"
-tasty-long-pig-
.

RHF

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Dec 6, 2010, 2:59:41 PM12/6/10

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On Dec 6, 5:37 am, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 6, 3:53 am, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> <SNIP>
>
> You mean the Bush tax increases that are about to take effect due to
> the sunset clause Bush signed that eliminated them in 2011.
>
> These are BUSH tax increases, and the Democrats are trying to SPARE
> the middle class from them.

- But REPUBLICANS are SUPPORTING tax increases on the
- middle class because they do not want the rich to pay more.
-
- FACT.

Nah ! - Just Another Liberal Lie and Democrat Distortion of the
Truth.

Taxed-Into-Poverty-R-Us :
2011 The 1st Year of Obama-Tax-Slavery©

The Pending 2011 Obama+Pelosi+Reid Income Tax Increase
the Largest Tax Increase in the History of the USA !

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/9ac8b68e4e5d538a
.

RHF

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Dec 6, 2010, 3:28:22 PM12/6/10

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On Dec 6, 7:48 am, cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
- Marxist Recession setting records: 'scariest jobs chart ever
- http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=299580
-
- http://www.dailyjobcuts.com
- cuhulin

Cuhulin,

The Pelsoi-Reid Recession of 2008; has now become
The Great {Never-Ending} Obama Depression of 2010~2016
.
The Obama-Nomics© Creating a Double-Dip :
Obama-Inflation ! -and- Obama-Deflation !
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.liberalism/msg/db6e9e7196c4f7e5
Inflation leading into Deflation resulting in Stagflation
1st - The Bush-Pelosi-Reid Recession of 2007 & 2008
has morphing into the
2nd - Great Obama-Pelosi-Reid Depression that is
expected to last a Decade or may be longer...
Get Ready America for : The Great Obama Depression
of 2009 ~ 2016 and Beyond... {Never Ending...}
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.liberalism/msg/7ab4d19b5c461925
.
Depressed-R-Us : The Great Obama Depression of 2010~2020
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/279ac978f03133f7
.
No Jobs and High Unemployment ObamaNomics©
Plus Obama-Tax-Slavery©
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/c0167411acc7b56b
{The Great Obama Depression 2009 ~ 2016+
Has Begun,,,}
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/58da118b57efdce1
.
Get Ready America -for-
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7ab4d19b5c461925
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/5a2d94877b3e7fcb
The Great Obama Depression 2009 ~ 2016 and beyond...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/c699fedfd4514f49
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/0b57349be45d88ed
? Ask Yourself : Where Will Prez Obama and
The Obama Royal Family Be Vacationing in :
2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2016 ?
-and- Will you have a Job or even an have an
a small un-employment check . . . while they
are Living Large on Your Tax Dollars ?
.
.
welcome to the bread-line comrades ~ RHF
baracking©,,, Baracking©... BARACKING© ! ! !
.
The Baracking© of Prez Obama and the Obama-Regime©
has begun : Bring-on the Ugly Dogs of Fear and Hate ! ~ RHF
-wrt- Baracking© - Shouting the Liberal Democrat Left's
Hateful and Divisive Rhetoric* Back-In-Their-Face
* Rules for Radicals in the Hands of Conservatives
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals
Baracking© = Obama-Bashing© = Blaming Prez Obama !
.
.

RHF

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Dec 6, 2010, 3:57:10 PM12/6/10

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- The oligarchs' aim is to turn us against each other.
- It works on a lot of gullible but otherwise intelligent people.

Imperious Leader 'Special Dave' -remember-
You Are The Resounding Voice of 'The Oligarchs'
.
The Pelosi-Reid-Recession-of-2008 :
Has Now Become "The Great {Never-Ending} Obama Depression"
of 2010~2016...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/5f4254baf350e5b1

.
Taxed-Into-Poverty-R-Us : 2011 The 1st Year of Obama-Tax-Slavery©

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/f474632d74cc3373

.
The Pending 2011 Obama+Pelosi+Reid Income Tax Increase
the Largest Tax Increase in the History of the USA !

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/9ac8b68e4e5d538a
.
Obama-Tax-Slaves-R-Us :
Nobody Wants the New 2011 Democrat Tax Increases !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/112a6aa3d33889cd
.
.
Poor Hard Working Comrades Has Your 99 Weeks
of Unemployment Insurance Payments Run Out . . .

cuh...@webtv.net

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Dec 6, 2010, 5:16:53 PM12/6/10

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The New $100 Note.
http://www.stevequayle.com/index1.html

Ah hunnert dollars.
Ah hunnert dollars was worth Much, Much, Much More in 1900.19 hunnert.
Now, a dollar bill is worth less than five cents compared to what a
dollar would buy in 1900.
cuhulin

cuh...@webtv.net

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http://www.devilfinder.com
Once again, Ireland finds itself with the rare opportunity to strike a
blow

F...... AY! POP it to em, Eire!
cuhulin

Iarnrod

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Dec 6, 2010, 9:42:36 PM12/6/10

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On Dec 6, 7:42 am, "D. Peter Maus" <DPeterM...@att.net> wrote:
> On 12/6/10 07:37 , Iarnrod wrote:
>
> > On Dec 6, 3:53 am, RHF<rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > <SNIP>
>
> > You mean the Bush tax increases that are about to take effect due to
> > the sunset clause Bush signed that eliminated them in 2011.
>
> > These are BUSH tax increases, and the Democrats are trying to SPARE
> > the middle class from them.
>
> Then, all the Democrats would have to do is to make them permanent.

They can't. GOP is filibustering.

GOP wants billionaires not to pay what they used to. They try to fault
Dems for Bush's own error.

Too bad.

Iarnrod

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Dec 6, 2010, 9:45:30 PM12/6/10

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On Dec 6, 12:59 pm, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Dec 6, 5:37 am, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 6, 3:53 am, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > <SNIP>
>
> > You mean the Bush tax increases that are about to take effect due to
> > the sunset clause Bush signed that eliminated them in 2011.
>
> > These are BUSH tax increases, and the Democrats are trying to SPARE
> > the middle class from them.
>
> - But REPUBLICANS are SUPPORTING tax increases on the
> - middle class because they do not want the rich to pay more.
> -
> - FACT.
>
> Nah !

Yep. Iron-clad truth. Bush's tax cuts had an expiration in 2011. He
signed it, it's his doing that they are going up for the middle class.
Dems are trying to stop that but Restupidcans won't allow it.

> - Just Another Liberal Lie and Democrat Distortion of the
> Truth.

That in itself is a prime example of rightard lies. It is undeniable
that the bush tax cuts contained a sunset. Taxes are going up because
of Bush. Dems are trying to preserve middle class tax cuts and the GOP
says NO!! GOP says "RAISE TAXES for the middle class!!"

Undeniable FACT.

D. Peter Maus

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Dec 6, 2010, 10:02:20 PM12/6/10

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Convenient denial of the past 20 months.

If the Dems had wanted to spare the middle class this tax hike, they
had super majorities in both houses, and two chamber leaders who have
demonstrated no problem with skirting the rules.

They could have. They didn't.

Simple. They don't want to.

Iarnrod

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Dec 6, 2010, 11:15:38 PM12/6/10

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On Dec 6, 8:02 pm, "D. Peter Maus" <DPeterM...@att.net> wrote:
> On 12/6/10 20:42 , Iarnrod wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 6, 7:42 am, "D. Peter Maus"<DPeterM...@att.net> wrote:
> >> On 12/6/10 07:37 , Iarnrod wrote:
>
> >>> On Dec 6, 3:53 am, RHF<rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >>> <SNIP>
>
> >>> You mean the Bush tax increases that are about to take effect due to
> >>> the sunset clause Bush signed that eliminated them in 2011.
>
> >>> These are BUSH tax increases, and the Democrats are trying to SPARE
> >>> the middle class from them.
>
> >> Then, all the Democrats would have to do is to make them permanent.
>
> > They can't. GOP is filibustering.
>
> > GOP wants billionaires not to pay what they used to. They try to fault
> > Dems for Bush's own error.
>
> > Too bad.
>
> Convenient denial of the past 20 months.

Denial of nothing. You are in denial. FACT: GOP is standing AGAINST
forestalling the middle class tax increase that Bush's law imposes in
2011. Undeniable.

> If the Dems had wanted to spare the middle class this tax hike, they
> had super majorities in both houses, and two chamber leaders who have
> demonstrated no problem with skirting the rules.

They have never skirted a rule. They have abided by the rules. FACT.

> They could have. They didn't.
>
> Simple. They don't want to.

Of course they do. They passed the bill in the House, Cleopatra. GOP
killing it in the Senate. GOP wants a middle class tax increase,

D. Peter Maus

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Dec 7, 2010, 12:00:30 AM12/7/10

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On 12/6/10 22:15 , Iarnrod wrote:
> On Dec 6, 8:02 pm, "D. Peter Maus"<DPeterM...@att.net> wrote:
>> On 12/6/10 20:42 , Iarnrod wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 6, 7:42 am, "D. Peter Maus"<DPeterM...@att.net> wrote:
>>>> On 12/6/10 07:37 , Iarnrod wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Dec 6, 3:53 am, RHF<rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>>> <SNIP>
>>
>>>>> You mean the Bush tax increases that are about to take effect due to
>>>>> the sunset clause Bush signed that eliminated them in 2011.
>>
>>>>> These are BUSH tax increases, and the Democrats are trying to SPARE
>>>>> the middle class from them.
>>
>>>> Then, all the Democrats would have to do is to make them permanent.
>>
>>> They can't. GOP is filibustering.
>>
>>> GOP wants billionaires not to pay what they used to. They try to fault
>>> Dems for Bush's own error.
>>
>>> Too bad.
>>
>> Convenient denial of the past 20 months.
>
> Denial of nothing. You are in denial. FACT: GOP is standing AGAINST
> forestalling the middle class tax increase that Bush's law imposes in
> 2011. Undeniable.

So is the fact that with a super majority in both houses, and
the White House, they could have done this at will, at any time within
the last 20 months.

That they're so 'concerned' about it now is a joke.

>
>> If the Dems had wanted to spare the middle class this tax hike, they
>> had super majorities in both houses, and two chamber leaders who have
>> demonstrated no problem with skirting the rules.
>
> They have never skirted a rule. They have abided by the rules. FACT.

Actually, they have.

Both Pelosi and Reid suspended the rules to preclude posting of the
healthcare bill for the required 72 hours prior to the vote in the
middle of the night.

They suspended the rules to hold closed door 'debates' on the issue,
to preclude opposition debate.

You should read more.

Brenda Ann

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Dec 7, 2010, 12:05:44 AM12/7/10

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"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message
news:idkf1e$b8t$1...@news.eternal-september.org...

So is the fact that with a super majority in both houses, and
the White House, they could have done this at will, at any time within
the last 20 months.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

A super majority is not a filibuster proof majority. The GOP has been the
most solid political bloc in US history with the sole purpose of ensuring
that the Obama administration can accomplish nothing significant (they would
prefer nothing at all).

cuh...@webtv.net

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Dec 7, 2010, 1:24:54 AM12/7/10

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They are not going to cut any taxes.Taxes are going up.

About eight or nine something years ago, old country boy from Edwards
(Edwards isn't a country town, it is a suburb of Jackson, about 13 miles
West of doggy's couch) knows all about chainsaws, show me where that oil
drain plug is!, he brought me a styrofoam plate of 'food' over here.I
couldn't figure out what kind of 'food' it was.Some kind of mystery
meat, or something, it was deep fried, whatever it was.I threw it in the
trash can.I can't eat any kind of fried food, it gives me an upset
stomach.

One time, Joyce Creel at the auto battery factory where I worked at, she
gave me a dog food sandwich.At least I discovered what kind of sandwich
it was.

One time in 1969 I brought a Burger King burger home for my Cocker
Spaniel dog.That dog never even touched that burger.
cuhulin

D. Peter Maus

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Dec 7, 2010, 1:42:35 AM12/7/10

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On 12/6/10 23:05 , Brenda Ann wrote:
>
>
> "D. Peter Maus" wrote in message
> news:idkf1e$b8t$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> So is the fact that with a super majority in both houses, and
> the White House, they could have done this at will, at any time within
> the last 20 months.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> A super majority is not a filibuster proof majority.

It is when you prevent the opposition from speaking at all.

It is when you lock the opposition out of the room and 'debate'
behind closed doors.

They could have done this at any time. They didn't.

They didn't want to.

RHF

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Dec 7, 2010, 3:16:12 AM12/7/10

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Liberal Democrats Prez Obama Has Betrayed You !
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101207/ap_on_bi_ge/us_tax_cuts

* Obama Sides with Economic Sanity and the GOP
on maintaining the Lower Bush Income Tax Rates

* Pelosi and Reid Still Pursuing Economic Hara-Kiri
and Order Democrat Faithful to Commit Seppuku in
the name of Higher Taxes and Greater Spending

* Soon the Divine Emperor Soros of Soros will give
the Order for his Kamikaze Liberal Activist to take
Flight and Descend like Hurricane Katrina on the
land of Washington with a Rain of Rabid Rhetoric
and a Wind of Wanton Mischief on all who would
listen and be blown over by their coercive force...
.
.

RHF

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Dec 7, 2010, 3:34:33 AM12/7/10

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On Dec 6, 9:05 pm, "Brenda Ann" <newsgro...@fullspectrumradio.org>
wrote:
> "D. Peter Maus" wrote in messagenews:idkf1e$b8t$1...@news.eternal-september.org...

> So is the fact that with a super majority in both houses, and
> the White House, they could have done this at will, at any time within
> the last 20 months.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

- A super majority is not a filibuster proof majority. The GOP has
been the
- most solid political bloc in US history with the sole purpose of
ensuring
- that the Obama administration can accomplish nothing significant
(they would
- prefer nothing at all).

So . . .BAD - The Obama-Stimulus© Did Not Happen !?!

So . . .BAD - Obama-Care© Did Not Happen !?!

So . . .BAD - The Obama Wall Street Financial Reform
Did Not Happen !?!

So . . .BAD - The Obama Credit Card Reform Did Not Happen !?!

So . . .BAD - The Obama Troop Surge in Afghanistan
Did Not Happen !?!

So . . .BAD - The Obama Troop Pull-Out in Iraq
Did Not Happen !?!

And of course none of the above is 'significant'
and the GOP Blocked Them All from Happening.

i guess prez obama is the 'did-not-happen'
prez-a-duntz ~ RHF
.
.

First Post

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Dec 7, 2010, 8:18:49 AM12/7/10

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The GOP has not actually fillibustered much. The dems are basing a
lot of their inability to pass anything on the simple threat of a
fillibuster. In other words they use the excuse to not even try.
BTW, a 60 vote majority is effectively fillibuster proof.
Even if the Republicans were to attempt to fillibuster the dems still
have the voting power to approve anything regardless.
So the dems just throw their hands up and cry fillibuster and give up
and you want to blame the party that had no power.
Typical

Iarnrod

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Dec 7, 2010, 8:24:23 AM12/7/10

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On Dec 6, 10:00 pm, "D. Peter Maus" <DPeterM...@att.net> wrote:
> On 12/6/10 22:15 , Iarnrod wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 6, 8:02 pm, "D. Peter Maus"<DPeterM...@att.net> wrote:
> >> On 12/6/10 20:42 , Iarnrod wrote:
>
> >>> On Dec 6, 7:42 am, "D. Peter Maus"<DPeterM...@att.net> wrote:
> >>>> On 12/6/10 07:37 , Iarnrod wrote:
>
> >>>>> On Dec 6, 3:53 am, RHF<rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >>>>> <SNIP>
>
> >>>>> You mean the Bush tax increases that are about to take effect due to
> >>>>> the sunset clause Bush signed that eliminated them in 2011.
>
> >>>>> These are BUSH tax increases, and the Democrats are trying to SPARE
> >>>>> the middle class from them.
>
> >>>> Then, all the Democrats would have to do is to make them permanent.
>
> >>> They can't. GOP is filibustering.
>
> >>> GOP wants billionaires not to pay what they used to. They try to fault
> >>> Dems for Bush's own error.
>
> >>> Too bad.
>
> >> Convenient denial of the past 20 months.
>
> > Denial of nothing. You are in denial. FACT: GOP is standing AGAINST
> > forestalling the middle class tax increase that Bush's law imposes in
> > 2011. Undeniable.
>
> So is the fact that with a super majority in both houses, and
> the White House, they could have done this at will, at any time within
> the last 20 months.

That is of course a lie. The GOP has blocked everything that is good
for the middle class in order to extort for the rich. FACT that cannot
be ignored.

The bill is up for vote RIGHT NOW, kook. GOP is AGAINST tax cuts for
the middle class. They voted AGAINST it.

> That they're so 'concerned' about it now is a joke.

No, it is nothing of the sort. You are trying to hide the GOP's hatred
of the middle class. You can't.

> >> If the Dems had wanted to spare the middle class this tax hike, they
> >> had super majorities in both houses, and two chamber leaders who have
> >> demonstrated no problem with skirting the rules.
>
> > They have never skirted a rule. They have abided by the rules. FACT.
>
> Actually, they have.
>
> Both Pelosi and Reid suspended the rules to preclude posting of the
> healthcare bill for the required 72 hours prior to the vote in the
> middle of the night.

Suspension of the rules is one of the allowed rules, fuckwit.

They learned from the GOP, which has never obeyed a rule.

> They suspended the rules to hold closed door 'debates' on the issue,
> to preclude opposition debate.

To stop Republican obstructionism. GOP wants poor people to die. FACT.

> You should read more.

Oh the fuckin' IRONY!!

The rules allow suspension of rules.

Iarnrod

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Dec 7, 2010, 8:25:50 AM12/7/10

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I thought you were talking about what the GOP did when it controlled
Congress and locked out the Dems.

> They could have done this at any time. They didn't.
>
> They didn't want to.

Nope, it's the GOP that doesn't want to. GOP voted AGAINST tax cuts
for the middle class and IN FAVOR OF letting the Bush tax cuts expire.
Documented FACT.

Iarnrod

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Dec 7, 2010, 8:26:27 AM12/7/10

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Learn how shit works before appearing stupid again.

Geo

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Dec 7, 2010, 8:39:54 AM12/7/10

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On Dec 6, 9:45 pm, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 6, 12:59 pm, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 6, 5:37 am, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 6, 3:53 am, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > > <SNIP>
>
> > > You mean the Bush tax increases that are about to take effect due to
> > > the sunset clause Bush signed that eliminated them in 2011.
>
> > > These are BUSH tax increases, and the Democrats are trying to SPARE
> > > the middle class from them.
>
> > - But REPUBLICANS are SUPPORTING tax increases on the
> > - middle class because they do not want the rich to pay more.
> > -
> > - FACT.
>
> > Nah !
>
> Yep. Iron-clad truth. Bush's tax cuts had an expiration in 2011. He
> signed it, it's his doing that they are going up for the middle class.
> Dems are trying to stop that but Restupidcans won't allow it.
>
> > - Just Another Liberal Lie and Democrat Distortion of the
> > Truth.
>
> That in itself is a prime example of rightard lies. It is undeniable
> that the bush tax cuts contained a sunset. Taxes are going up because
> of Bush.

Then you have to agree that for 10 years taxes went down because of
Bush.

>Dems are trying to preserve middle class tax cuts and the GOP
> says NO!! GOP says "RAISE TAXES for the middle class!!"
>

And dems are trying to raise taxes for everyone simply because they
want to pick winners and losers. The irony is you are the losers.
The GOP got what they wanted.

> Undeniable FACT.

Yup, undeniable fact.

dave

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Dec 7, 2010, 8:44:55 AM12/7/10

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Iarnrod wrote:

>
> They can't. GOP is filibustering.
>
> GOP wants billionaires not to pay what they used to. They try to fault
> Dems for Bush's own error.
>
> Too bad.

This is a great place to make a stand.

Do not forsake me o my darlin'

(made here in the 1950s)

dave

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Dec 7, 2010, 8:51:57 AM12/7/10

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D. Peter Maus wrote:

>
> Convenient denial of the past 20 months.
>
> If the Dems had wanted to spare the middle class this tax hike, they had
> super majorities in both houses, and two chamber leaders who have
> demonstrated no problem with skirting the rules.
>
> They could have. They didn't.
>
> Simple. They don't want to.

That's pretty far fetched, Pete. The Senate rules are wacky. Any single
senator can stop a bill regardles of which party has a majority.
Hopefully they'll do a rules change on % January and shut that freak
McConnell up. He is a total corporate hack who HATES the American worker.

D. Peter Maus

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Dec 7, 2010, 9:07:26 AM12/7/10

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Let me guess, you were captain of the debate team at charm school.

arthr...@webtv.net

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Dec 7, 2010, 9:07:34 AM12/7/10

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Can someone name any politician in DC which adores the American worker?

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Dec 7, 2010, 11:27:53 AM12/7/10

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On Dec 7, 6:13 am, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
> D. Peter Maus wrote:
>
> > It is when you prevent the opposition from speaking at all.
>
> > It is when you lock the opposition out of the room and 'debate' behind
> > closed doors.
>
> > They could have done this at any time. They didn't.
>
> > They didn't want to.
>

- WLS broadcasts an alternate reality.
- Rush Limbaugh is a freak.
- His minions are freaks.

'Special Dave' - ?Freaks? as in Higher Tax Freaks !

Over-Taxed Into Being a poor 'minion' of Big Government
Spending by Spend-A-Holic Democrats.

Nancy Pelosi she is a real-life Tax'em More Freak !

Harry Reid he is a born-again Bigger Tax Freak !

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Dec 7, 2010, 12:50:15 PM12/7/10

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The Great GUN and Knife Christmas Show, this weekend at the Trade Mart
building, Mississippi State Fairgrounds in Jackson,Mississippi U.S.A.

We have a Lot of GUN shows around here.

You want to know why more and more people in U.S.A.are buying more and
more GUNs and more and more AMMO?

BUY ONE, HIDE ONE.
cuhulin

dave

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Dec 7, 2010, 1:44:25 PM12/7/10

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David Crosby's dad was the cinematographer

cuh...@webtv.net

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Dec 7, 2010, 2:09:41 PM12/7/10

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It is High Noon all over America now.

http://www.devilfinder.com
Internet Censorship batr.org

Damn Commies censoring Americans!

Julian Assange did NOT do anything wrong!
cuhulin

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Dec 7, 2010, 9:48:03 PM12/7/10

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On Dec 7, 1:43 pm, First Post <Progressives...@Invalid.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 06:13:52 -0800, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
> >D. Peter Maus wrote:
>
> >> It is when you prevent the opposition from speaking at all.
>
> >> It is when you lock the opposition out of the room and 'debate' behind
> >> closed doors.
>
> >> They could have done this at any time. They didn't.
>
> >> They didn't want to.
>

- - WLS broadcasts an alternate reality.
- - Rush Limbaugh is a freak.
- - His minions are freaks.

- Typical.

Yes Very 'typical' of Liberal-Fascists {Democrats}

- When the liberal finds themself unable to produce
- a sound logical argument

It's Their Liberal-Fascist {Democrat} ELITISM :
They Can Not Stand To Be Questioned {Challenged}

- then the name calling and baseless insults flow.

Often the Liberal-Fascist {Democrat} Projects On To
You : What the secretly dread is deep with in them.
.
- - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
[>: To Liberal-Fascist {Democrat} Name Calling :<]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When An Ever So Super-Smart "Enlightened" Liberal
Democrat Socialist Starts Fascist Name Calling*.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/318979fbe8546cfa
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional
+ Plus They Often Snip/Delete What You Wrote :
To Disguise Their Complete Inability To Carry The
Argument Forward. -that-is-how-i-see-it- ~ RHF©
.
.

RHF

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Dec 7, 2010, 9:59:14 PM12/7/10

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On Dec 7, 5:04 pm, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
> First Post wrote:

> > On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 06:13:52 -0800, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
>
> >> D. Peter Maus wrote:
>
> >>> It is when you prevent the opposition from speaking at all.
>
> >>> It is when you lock the opposition out of the room and 'debate' behind
> >>> closed doors.
>
> >>> They could have done this at any time. They didn't.
>
> >>> They didn't want to.
>
> >> WLS broadcasts an alternate reality. Rush Limbaugh is a freak. His
> >> minions are freaks.
>
> > Typical. When the liberal finds themself unable to produce a sound
> > logical argument then the name calling and baseless insults flow.
>

- Anybody who eats so much dope he goes deaf from it is a freak. He
says
- the same thing every day, is totally predictable, and entertaining
only
- to his cult. Very freaky from out here...
-
- Plus, have you seen how the guy decorates? Total freak.

'Special Dave',

This coming from someone who opening admits to
using so-called Medical Marijuana.

And someone who advocates doing illegal drugs
with underage minors and having sex with them too.

'Special Dave' clearly you are an Expert on "Total Freak"

'Special Dave' - I will Pray for a Medical Healing in your
Life and that you be set Free of Freakdom} - Amen ~ RHF
.
Tax-Freaked-Out-R-Us :

GOP -says- Just Say 'NO' To Freaking Higher Taxes

& Prez Obama Agrees !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/a545d9d5e9504974
.

RHF

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Dec 7, 2010, 10:09:28 PM12/7/10

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On Dec 7, 9:24 am, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
> RHF wrote:
> > On Dec 7, 6:13 am, dave<d...@dave.dave> wrote:
>

- - - WLS broadcasts an alternate reality.
- - - Rush Limbaugh is a freak.
- - - His minions are freaks.

- - 'Special Dave' - ?Freaks? as in Higher Tax Freaks !
- -
- - Over-Taxed Into Being a poor 'minion' of Big Government
- - Spending by Spend-A-Holic Democrats.

- Ever wonder why Limbaugh doesn't move elsewhere?
- Because taxes on people like him are higher everywhere else.

-or-may-be- 'Special Dave' . . .

"The Rush of Limbaugh" being an American :

D. Peter Maus

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Dec 7, 2010, 10:50:28 PM12/7/10

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Nor should you.

But if your cognition is as flawed as your grasp of fact, you're a
greater danger to those values than the traitors you castigate.

RHF

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Dec 8, 2010, 5:44:34 AM12/8/10

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- - - Learn how shit works before appearing stupid again.

Larnrod - Clearly 'you' know how "Shit Works"

- - Let me guess, you were captain of the debate team
- - at charm school.

- Let me guess, you were patrol boy on the short bus.

Larnrod - Ah 'hero' worship.

- Listen, shit-for-brains,

Larnrod - Hard-To... with the aforementioned condition.

- when it comes to defending American values,

Larnrod - Are you truly 'defending'
-or- simply "defecating-on"

- I don't treat traitors lightly.

Larnrod - So,,, 'you' are into self-flagellation ! ~ RHF
.

.
Liberal Democrats Prez Obama Has Betrayed You !
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101207/ap_on_bi_ge/us_tax_cuts
.
Prez Obama Sides with Economic Sanity and the GOP
on Maintaining the Lower Bush Income Tax Rates
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/970e05c2df9b184c
.

Tax-Freaked-Out-R-Us :
GOP -says- Just Say 'NO' To Freaking Higher Taxes
& Prez Obama Agrees !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/a545d9d5e9504974
.

Pelosi and Reid Still Pursuing Economic Hara-Kiri
and Order Democrat Faithful to Commit Seppuku
in the Name of Higher IRS Taxes and Greater Big
Government Spending

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/5062fbda2d9e1ce7
.
Rush Limbaugh Praises Prez Obama . . .
For Maintaining Income Tax 'Sanity' During A Recession !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/bbba592cadbeb2fb

.
Liberal Democrats Prez Obama Has Betrayed You !

-&- Agrees With GOP To Just Say 'NO' To Freaking Higher Taxes !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/ca9168f62d97a015
.
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Dec 8, 2010, 5:54:59 AM12/8/10

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On Dec 6, 6:19 am, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
> amdx wrote:
>
> > In 2008 the top 10% of earners paid 70% of all federal taxes.
> > The top 25% of earners paid 86% of all federal taxes.
> > Is it really your contention they should pay more?
>
> I generally don't trust random figures thrown into a conversation. I
> know that they possess 90 something percent of the income so paying 86%
> of taxes seems a little low.
>
- I have nothing against people amassing huge
- amounts of money for sport,
- they have that right.
- But ultimately, that karma needs to be cleansed,
- so tax heavily above a reasonable amount,
- and use the money for great public works.
- That is the American way (or was prior to Reagan's
- revolution against all things American).

'Special Dave' - Prez Obama Has Betrayed You !
and thrown Pelosi, Reid and all the Liberal Higher
and Higher Taxes Democrats under the bus . . .
.
-cause- Prez Obama has Joined the Reagan
Lower Taxes Revolution -and- Agrees With GOP
To Just Say 'NO' To Higher Taxes in a Recession !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/8fb6d10846f6f497

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Liberal Democrats Prez Obama Has Betrayed You !
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101207/ap_on_bi_ge/us_tax_cuts
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Prez Obama Sides with Economic Sanity and the GOP

on Maintaining the Lower Bush Income Tax Rates during
this endless Recession . . .
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/970e05c2df9b184c
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RHF

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Dec 8, 2010, 6:04:24 AM12/8/10

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- Sounds like you need to bone up on some basic economics, fuckwit.
- Government spending in a recession is essential to avoid a GOP
- Depression. Even a president as stupid as AWOL recognized this as he
- left Obama holding the bag.

Larnrod - Prez Obama Has Betrayed You ! -and- Thrown
Pelosi, Reid and all the Liberal Democrats Crying-for and
Demanding Higher and Higher Taxes under the Bipartisan
Bus-to-a-Future of Economic Hope and Change . . .

.
-cause- Prez Obama has Joined the Reagan
Lower Taxes Revolution -and- Agrees With GOP
To Just Say 'NO' To Higher Taxes in a Recession !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/8fb6d10846f6f497

> But if your cognition is as flawed as your grasp of fact,

Projection, kooker, since you're ignoring reality.

> you're a
> greater danger to those values than the traitors you castigate.

Dems saved America from the brink of Great Republican Depression II.
FACT. Even AWOL acknowledged his fuck-ups when he turned it over to
Obama. You and the rest of you traitors just love to invent your own
"reality."

Geo

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Dec 8, 2010, 8:10:55 AM12/8/10

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You won't get any argument from me about Bush's spending. But, pick
your poison. Was is tax cuts that caused the recession or borrow and
spending? If you claim that it's tax cuts then you better be prepared
to admit that the bulk of the "cost" is attributed to those under
$250K. You also need to remember who held the purse strings during
Bush's term. For the life of me I can't figure out why the dems
didn't stop him. Well, actually I do. And, you are proving it right
here for everyone to see (i.e. borrow and spend, then blame everyone
except themselves).

> > >Dems are trying to preserve middle class tax cuts and the GOP
> > > says NO!! GOP says "RAISE TAXES for the middle class!!"
>
> > And dems are trying to raise taxes for everyone
>
> A fuckin' lie from a fuckin' liar.
>

Dude, grow up.

> The House PASSED the middle class tax cut bill. The GOP is against it.
> The GOP wants to raise everyone's taxes if they can't get tax cuts for
> the rich.
>

The gop wants (and got) to maintain tax rates for everyone. No
winners or losers like the libtards are so predisposed to do. Thank
god the incompetent one got his rump kicked on this one. What a
weakling he is.

> > simply because they
> > want to pick winners and losers.
>
> Nope. They want middle class tax cuts.
>

They got em! What's the problem?

> > The irony is you are the losers.
> > The GOP got what they wanted.
>
> Too bad for America.
>

Right, wouldn't want people to actually keep the money they earn now
would ya?

> > > Undeniable FACT.
>
> > Yup, undeniable fact.
>
> Undeniable FACT that GOP is traitors to America.

That's idiotic, even for you.

Iarnrod

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Dec 8, 2010, 8:13:18 AM12/8/10

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Sure, from beatin' up on you conservaloon shitbags for so many years.

> - - Let me guess, you were captain of the debate team
> - - at charm school.
>
> - Let me guess, you were patrol boy on the short bus.
>
> Larnrod - Ah 'hero' worship.

WTF is "Larnrod?"

WTF is "hero worship?"

Are you on drugs again tonight?

> - Listen, shit-for-brains,
>
> Larnrod - Hard-To... with the aforementioned condition.
>
> - when it comes to defending American values,
>
> Larnrod - Are you truly 'defending'
> -or- simply "defecating-on"

The answer is obvious since Dems SAVED AMERICA from the very brink of
Great Republican Depression II, which even a total moron like Bush
realized as he exited stage far-right.

> - I don't treat traitors lightly.
>
> Larnrod - So,,, 'you' are into self-flagellation ! ~ RHF

The right's war on the middle class is the treason.

FACT!

D. Peter Maus

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Dec 8, 2010, 8:18:39 AM12/8/10

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Good point. Unemployment plummetted, the market rebounded. The
deficit fell below 14 figures. The dollar spiked against the yen.
And nearly two years out, with billions in slush funds spent, we're
exactly where we were 22 months ago. Yes, Excellent work.

Wow. How did I miss that.

Even AWOL acknowledged his fuck-ups when he turned it over to
> Obama. You and the rest of you traitors just love to invent your own
> "reality."

One may wish to review the definition of the word 'projection.'
>
>

Iarnrod

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Dec 8, 2010, 8:29:05 AM12/8/10

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Of course. The depth of the Bush/GOP Recession has been unlike any
other. When it comes to destroying economies, you fuck-ups are the
best! Hint: Bone up on economics, kooker. If Obama hadn't spent most
of the stimulus act on useless tax cuts that don't stimulate like
direct spending, we'd be even further from the Bush Basement.

> Even AWOL acknowledged his fuck-ups when he turned it over to
>
> > Obama. You and the rest of you traitors just love to invent your own
> > "reality."
>
> One may wish to review the definition of the word 'projection.'

And that one would be you, apparently.

D. Peter Maus

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Dec 8, 2010, 8:50:49 AM12/8/10

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Yes, I see that. Which is why unemployment hit double digits
during the last two years, but topped out at 4.5% during the
previous 8. That's why the market tanked in the last two years, and
is only now where it in the 90's. And why the deficit tripled in the
first 5 months of Obama's presidency, and has only grown since.

You know, sitting here at 22 months since the election, you can't
blame Bush for the economy. A recession only lasts a couple of
months, historically, before it starts to grow. With full recovery
in 16 months. The only time that's not been true, is when Roosevelt
got involved in economic matters, and spent the treasury back to
cobwebs. And a depression resulted that lasted more than a decade.
Sound familiar?

Economists, my friend (and you'd know this if you'd actually
studied Economics, yourself) have been saying since 1931, that had
Roosevelt simply sat back and let matters right themselves in 1929,
that the recession would have be been severe, but over in less than
a year. Instead, it dragged on and deepened to a depression because
of the massive spending, accompanied by the massive tax increases.

Does any of this sound familiar?

Had Obiteme kept his mits off the economy, and stopped his
hammering of the people who actually create jobs, this economic
downturn would have been over in the summer and we'd be looking at a
fat and happy Christmas goose.

You may wish to consider boning up on economics, yourself, there,
Bubba.

Government spending does nothing for the economy. Nothing. It
demands higher taxation, which does nothing for the economy.
Nothing. And it's inflationary. Which does nothing for the economy.

And since you're so concerned with facts, consider this, also.
Obama, himself, in the first 45 days of his presidency, said during
one of his speeches, that the economic malaise was EXPECTED to last
beyond our lifetimes. And that changes being made would bear fruit
only for future generations. But that we, and our children would not
see relief from this economy during our lifetimes. Such is the
nature of sacrifice.

So before you canonize this guy and his pack of raiders, consider
that all of this economic turmoil is by choice, if not design, and
that it could have been over months ago.

And the party in power is the Democrat Party. With
supermajorities in both houses of Congress.

And to get back to the point of this thread, if they can pass
Health Care in the middle of the night, without the Republicans, in
the first year of their power, they could easily have passed the
extension of these tax rates in the middle of the night, without the
Repubicans at any time in the last two years.

They didn't.

Because they didn't want to.

You may now babble your final insult. Have a good day. Try not to
drool on the electric fence.

D. Peter Maus.

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arthr...@webtv.net

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Dec 8, 2010, 2:43:51 PM12/8/10

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On Dec 8, 8:50 am, "D. Peter Maus" <dpeterm...@att.net> wrote:
> On 12/8/10 07:29 , Iarnrod wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 8, 6:18 am, "D. Peter Maus"<dpeterm...@att.net> wrote:
> >> On 12/8/10 07:10 , Iarnrod wrote:
>
> >>> On Dec 7, 8:50 pm, "D. Peter Maus"<DPeterM...@att.net> wrote:
> >>>> On 12/7/10 21:31 , Iarnrod wrote:
>
> >>>>> On Dec 7, 7:07 am, "D. Peter Maus"<dpeterm...@att.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 12/7/10 07:26 , Iarnrod wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> On Dec 7, 6:18 am, First Post<Progressives...@Invalid.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 14:05:44 +0900, "Brenda Ann"
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> >>>>>>>> <newsgro...@fullspectrumradio.org> wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>> "D. Peter Maus" wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>>news:idkf1e$b8t$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >>>>>>>>> So is the fact that with a super majority in both houses, and
> >>>>>>>>> the White House, they could have done this at will, at any time within
> >>>>>>>>> the last 20 months.
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Maybe we ought to hang Greenspan for creating the mortgage / insider
trading/re-financing disaster ? What if BHO is just an innocent lamb?

cuh...@webtv.net

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Dec 8, 2010, 3:56:08 PM12/8/10

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The SOB!'s Anger.
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First Post

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Dec 8, 2010, 5:13:37 PM12/8/10

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On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 05:29:05 -0800 (PST), Iarnrod <iar...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Unsubstantiated bullshit. Maybe one day you'll ber able to think for
yourself instead of waiting for what the far left tells you to
believe.
And just how does a hellascious tax increase stimulate the economy
dumbass?
Just how does taking more from the public create a better economy?
The question has been asked dozens of times yet the only combeack you
brain dead drones come back with is "WHATTABOUTBUSH?!"
The only entity that benefits at all from tax hikes is the government.
Your repetitive argument that higher taxes result in a better life for
those paying the higher taxes is borderline insanity to say the least.
You idiots' credibility on the matter got shot to hell when you fell
in with extending the middle class tax cuts that you have been
claiming for years do not exist.

Your medical marijuana may make you feel better but it definitely has
had a drastic affect on your brain cells.

>
>
>> Even AWOL acknowledged his fuck-ups when he turned it over to
>>
>> > Obama. You and the rest of you traitors just love to invent your own
>> > "reality."
>>
>> One may wish to review the definition of the word 'projection.'
>
>And that one would be you, apparently.
>

You're the one that appears to be projecting. And you referring to
all that do not agree with you as being traitors shows your complete
hatred of a large portion of the population. Not a sign of a stable
mind.

First Post

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Dec 8, 2010, 5:16:47 PM12/8/10

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All accurate and true.

cuh...@webtv.net

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Dec 8, 2010, 5:12:35 PM12/8/10

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New van Mississippi Department Of Transportation

A few minutes ago Maggie Wade WLBT 3 tee vee news said there are only
two of those vans in America and Mississippi has one of them.

In backwater hick Mississippi,,,,??? Will wonders ever cease!?
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Dec 8, 2010, 5:47:49 PM12/8/10

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We got Close Encounters of the Third Kind movie starting right now on
the EMYS channel 539.
That is what fed govt is, Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
cuhulin

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Dec 8, 2010, 7:54:19 PM12/8/10

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A Reeward! Wanted! (you fill in the blanks) .... .. .....
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RHF

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Dec 8, 2010, 9:47:33 PM12/8/10

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- the mortgage / insider trading/re-financing disaster ?

Nah the b;ame is not One-Man's

The Greatest Blame goes-to / falls-on the 537 Members
of the US Congresses over the last 30+ Years :
A 'Pox' On Both Their Houses !
A 'Pox' On Both Their Parties !

- What if BHO is just an innocent lamb?

Often it is the 'Innocent Lamb' that is
the one lead to the slaughter . . .

It is happening today; this week; this month; this year
during the term of Prez Obama
-ergo- BHO Gets The Blame !

The-Public can Critically 'focus' on the single object
of "The-Man" {Prez-A-Duntz}
-while- 'The-Congress' is to broad; to scattered; and
to fragmented for The-Public to 'focus' on.
-ergo- "The-Prez" Gets The Blame !

You may not agree with Prez Obama's Politics and
Policies -but- IMHO You Got To Like The Guy {Person}
-at-least-i-do-

wishing 'bho' a long productive and prosperous life
after his one-term prez-a-duntzcy ~ RHF
.
FWIW - BHO brought Hope-and-Change in his coming
-and- BHO will bring Hope-and-Change in his going . . .
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WR

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Dec 8, 2010, 9:59:02 PM12/8/10

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On Dec 7, 10:09 pm, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On Dec 7, 9:24 am, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:> RHF wrote:
> > > On Dec 7, 6:13 am, dave<d...@dave.dave> wrote:
>
> - - - WLS broadcasts an alternate reality.
> - - - Rush Limbaugh is a freak.
> - - - His minions are freaks.
>
> - - 'Special Dave' - ?Freaks? as in Higher Tax Freaks !
> - -
> - - Over-Taxed Into Being a poor 'minion' of Big Government
> - - Spending by Spend-A-Holic Democrats.
>
> - Ever wonder why Limbaugh doesn't move elsewhere?
> - Because taxes on people like him are higher everywhere else.
>
> -or-may-be- 'Special Dave' . . .
>
> "The Rush of Limbaugh" being an American :
>
> 1 - Loves America
>
> 2 - Likes Living in the USA
>
> 3 - Enjoys the Personal Freedoms of America
>
> 4 - Enjoys the Economic Opportunities of the USA

Funny, but I listened to Rush for years, mostly just to catch his
latest rant. I NEVER heard him say anything about the United States
that even remotely hinted at his love for America or that he likes
living here.He was always angry, always picking through the news to
disparage, insult and condemn people, and never had anything positive
to say. Now, there are sound indications that he likes Costa Rican
whores, but he doesn't talk about it, and we know that he likes drugs.
He drove himself deaf with them. But love America? He's like a guy who
berates his wife in public then insists he loves her. He doesn't. He
hates America and he despises his listeners, is grossly manipulative,
and thinks you're all idiots. He does love money, though, or at least
what it can buy,

cuh...@webtv.net

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Dec 8, 2010, 10:26:26 PM12/8/10

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U.S.Military prepares for economic collapse

http://www.devilfinder.com
Fair.org Rush Limbaugh The way things aren't

I never listen to Rush 'Oxycontin' Limbaugh.
cuhulin

cuh...@webtv.net

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Dec 8, 2010, 10:31:09 PM12/8/10

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I didn't know Rush Limbaugh likes Costa Rican whores.

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Rush Limbaugh's Costa Rican whores
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Iarnrod

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Dec 9, 2010, 12:39:59 AM12/9/10

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Two months, then fell below. Much much better than the First Great
Republican Recession that Reagan caused in '81-'82 when unemployment
topped 10 percent for a full 10 months. Hint: The rate STAYED ABOVE 10
percent for six months afyer the official end of the Reagan Recession,
and Reagan's poll numbers were lower than Obama's. Deservedly since
unlike Obama who inherited the Great Bush/GOP Recession, Reagan's was
all his own.

> but topped out at 4.5% during the
> previous 8.

You're not a very good liar, you know.

AWOL's unemployment rate, even before the recession he started, was at
or below 4.5 percent for only 13 of the 96 months his miserable
incompetent ass was in office.

Are you truly stupid? Don't you know that unemployment rates are
recorded and KEPT in records so that when you lie we can easily prove
it? What a FUCKWIT you are!! BWAHAAHAHAAAA!!!! TOPPED OUT AT 4.5
percent under AWOL? It was only under 4.5 percent for SEVEN of those
13 months!! YOU MUST BE STANDIN' ON YOUR FUCKIN' HEAD and looing at
the chart, since the TRUTH is the opposite of what you claim, as
usual.

> That's why the market tanked in the last two years, and
> is only now where it in the 90's. And why the deficit tripled in the
> first 5 months of Obama's presidency, and has only grown since.

You REALLY need an edjumacation as your hero would say in economics.
Hint: Recession=lack of spending. Encouraging cuts in federal spending
during a recession is economic suicide, which of course is the natural
result of GOP policies.

Hint: AWOL's decision to wage two budget-busting wars on credit cards
while cutting taxes and conveying our economic future to China seems
to have gone under your radar, traitor.

Hint: Obama SAVED CAPITALISM from GOP malfeasance.

> You know, sitting here at 22 months since the election, you can't
> blame Bush for the economy. A recession only lasts a couple of
> months, historically, before it starts to grow. With full recovery
> in 16 months.

Not after the incredible damage AWOL did to it. FACT.

> The only time that's not been true, is when Roosevelt
> got involved in economic matters, and spent the treasury back to
> cobwebs. And a depression resulted that lasted more than a decade.
> Sound familiar?

BWAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! Another chronologically challenged revisionist!

HINT: Hoover -- Restupidcan -- was in office when the Great Depression
resulted from a decade of economy-killing GOP policies.

> Economists, my friend (and you'd know this if you'd actually
> studied Economics, yourself) have been saying since 1931, that had
> Roosevelt simply sat back and let matters right themselves in 1929,

Hint: Roosevelt was not the president in 1929, you fuckin' nutjob.

Wow.

> that the recession would have be been severe, but over in less than
> a year.

Roosevelt took office in 1933 and immediately moved to save America
and capitalism from GOP disaster. Unemployment began falling adn
continued until he agreed in 1937 to cut deficit spending at GOP
urging and caused the mini-recession of 1938. FACT.

> Instead, it dragged on and deepened to a depression because
> of the massive spending, accompanied by the massive tax increases.

Here, use this chart to avoid making your stupid mistakes again:
http://www.ipl.org/div/potus/

BWAHAHAAHAHAHAAAA!!!!

> Does any of this sound familiar?

Yeah, it's the lies and nutbaggery being sold on Faux News by the
America-hating crowd.

It has been a pleasure kicking your stupid kooker ass as you leave in
defeat. Thank you for giving me a post filled with blatant lies (FDR
president in 1929??? BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAA!!!) that made it sooooooo
easy!

Iarnrod

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Dec 9, 2010, 12:41:36 AM12/9/10

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On Dec 8, 3:13 pm, First Post <Progressives...@Invalid.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 05:29:05 -0800 (PST), Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com>

Undeniable TRUTH, kook.

You're not even worth a full reply, you're so stupid.

> And just how does a hellascious tax increase stimulate the economy
> dumbass?

Ask Bush... it's his tax increase, he signed it. Obama was trying to
preserve it for the middle class and the GOP was opposed.

Iarnrod

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Dec 9, 2010, 12:44:03 AM12/9/10

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On Dec 8, 3:16 pm, First Post <Progressives...@Invalid.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 07:50:49 -0600, "D. Peter Maus"
>
>
>
> <dpeterm...@att.net> wrote:

> > Economists, my friend (and you'd know this if you'd actually
> >studied Economics, yourself) have been saying since 1931, that had
> >Roosevelt simply sat back and let matters right themselves in 1929,
> >that the recession would have be been severe, but over in less than
> >a year. Instead, it dragged on and deepened to a depression because
> >of the massive spending, accompanied by the massive tax increases.

> All accurate and true.

Really? REALLY? BWAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!

OK, then produce the cite for FDR being president in 1929, fuzznuts.

BWAHAHHAHAHAAA!

Hint: If the Hoover Depression would have been over in a year from
1929, that would have been THREE YEARS BEFORE FDR took the oath and
SAVED AMERICA from your traitor predecessors.