Daily Spirit-guided thought for 08/19/08
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f43db72a7c5c1da0?
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Be hungrier, which is healthier.
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/7abdd30495c2d234?
J A
"The vestiges of pagan religion in Christian symbology are undeniable. Some
examples:
Egyptian sun disks became the halos of Catholic saints.
Pictograms of Isis nursing her miraculously conceived son Horus became the
blueprint for our modern images of the Virgin Mary nursing Baby Jesus.
And virtually all the elements of the Catholic ritual - the miter, the
altar, the doxology, and communion, the act of "God-eating" - were taken
directly from earlier pagan mystery religions."
The pre-Christian God Mithras - called the Son of God and the Light of the
World - was born on December 25, died, was buried in a rock tomb, and then
resurrected in three days.
By the way, December 25 is also the birthday or Osiris, Adonis, and
Dionysus. The newborn Krishna was presented with gold, frankincense, and
myrrh. Even Christianity's weekly holy day was stolen from the pagans."
Roger Pearse
> "Nothing in Christianity is original.
Nonsense.
> "The vestiges of pagan religion in Christian symbology are undeniable.
Denial hereby entered.
> Some examples:
Or rather assertions, without documentation.
> Egyptian sun disks became the halos of Catholic saints.
Evidence?
> Pictograms of Isis nursing her miraculously conceived son Horus became the
> blueprint for our modern images of the Virgin Mary nursing Baby Jesus.
Evidence?
> And virtually all the elements of the Catholic ritual - the miter, the
> altar, the doxology, and communion, the act of "God-eating" - were taken
> directly from earlier pagan mystery religions."
Taken by whom, when, and where is this claim found in the ancient
texts by which alone we know anything about either?
> The pre-Christian God Mithras-
...probably invented in 50 AD in Rome, following the archaeology
(Manfred Clauss, "The Roman Cult of Mithras")
> called the Son of God
No ancient text records any such title.
> and the Light of the World -
No ancient text records any such title.
(And by the way, isn't it odd how damn IGNORANT these atheists are?
Any google search would have revealed these points)
> ... was born on December 25,
No ancient text associates Mithras with Dec. 25. The association
derives from some modern writer so ignorant as to be unable to tell
the difference between Sol Invictus and Mithras.
> ...died,
No ancient text records this. He was a deity, for heaven's sake, and
his primal myth is slaying the bull. Wish there was less bull in this
post.
> ... was buried in a rock tomb,
No ancient text records this.
> ... and then resurrected in three days.
No ancient text records this.
Man this is tedious.
> By the way, December 25 is also the birthday or Osiris, Adonis, and
> Dionysus.
By the way, you have no idea if this is true or not.
> The newborn Krishna was presented with gold, frankincense, and
> myrrh.
Evidence?
> Even Christianity's weekly holy day was stolen from the pagans."
Who stole it, when, and where is this recorded?
Funny how stupid these atheists are.
All the best,
Roger Pearse
Thom Madura
"Roger Pearse" <roger....@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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Nonsense.
> "The vestiges of pagan religion in Christian symbology are undeniable.
Denial hereby entered.
The winter solstice occurs about DEC-21 each year. It is the day of the year
when the night is longest and the daytime shortest. Using the crude
instruments available, ancient astronomers were able to detect by DEC-25 of
each year that the daytime had become noticeably longer. This date was
chosen, and remains, the traditional date for followers of many different
Pagan religions to celebrate the rebirth of the sun. Following the solstice,
each succeeding day has slightly more sunlight than the previous day. It was
seen as a promise that warmth would return once more to the earth. Numerous
pre-Christian Pagan religions honored their gods' birth or rebirth on or
about that day. Their deities were typically called: Son of Man, Light of
the World, Sun of Righteousness, Bridegroom, and Savior. Some examples are:
Roman Pagan Religion: Attis was a son of the virgin Nana. His birth was
celebrated on DEC-25. He was sacrificed as an adult in order to bring
salvation to mankind. He died about MAR-25, after being crucified on a tree,
and descended for three days into the underworld. On Sunday, he arose, as
the solar deity for the new season. His followers tied an image of Attis to
a tree on "Black Friday," and carried him in a procession to the temple. His
body was symbolically eaten by his followers in the form of bread. Worship
of Attis began in Rome circa 200 BCE.
Greek Pagan Religion: Dionysus is another savior-god whose birth was
observed on DEC-25. He was worshipped throughout much of the Middle East as
well. He had a center of worship in Jerusalem in the 1st century BCE. Some
ancient coins have been found in Gaza with Dionysus on one side and JHWH
(Jehovah) on the other. In later years, his flesh and blood were
symbolically eaten in the form of bread and wine. He was viewed as the son
of Zeus, the Father God.
Egyptian Pagan Religion: Osiris is a savior-god who had been worshipped
as far back as Neolithic times. "He was called Lord of Lords, King of Kings,
God of Gods...the Resurrection and the Life, the Good shepherd...the god who
'made men and women be born again'" 5 Three wise men announced his birth.
His followers ate cakes of wheat which symbolized his body. Many sayings
associated with Osiris were taken over into the Bible. This included: 23rd
Psalm: an appeal to Osiris as the good Shepherd to lead believers through
the valley of the shadow of death and to green pastures and still waters
Lord's Prayer: "O amen, who art in heaven..."
Many parables attributed to Jesus.
Worship of Osiris, and celebration of his DEC-25 birth, were
established throughout the Roman Empire by the end of the 1st century BCE.
Persian Pagan Religion: Mithra was a Persian savior. Worship of Mithra
became common throughout the Roman Empire, particularly among the Roman
civil service and military. Mithraism was a competitor of Christianity until
the 4th century. Their god was believed to have been born on DEC-25, circa
500 BCE. His birth was witnessed by shepherds and by gift-carrying Magi.
This was celebrated as the "Dies Natalis Solic Invite," The "Birthday of the
Unconquered Sun." Some followers believed that he was born of a virgin.
During his life, he performed many miracles, cured many illnesses, and cast
out devils. He celebrated a Last Supper with his 12 disciples. He ascended
to heaven at the time of the spring equinox, about March 21.
The Babylonians celebrated their "Victory of the Sun-God" Festival on
DEC-25. Saturnalia (the Festival of Saturn) was celebrated from DEC-17 to 23
in the Roman Empire. The Roman Emperor Aurelian blended Saturnalia with a
number of birth celebrations of savior Gods from other religions, into a
single holy day: DEC-25. After much argument, the developing Christian
church adopted this date as the birthday of their savior, Jesus. The people
of the Roman Empire were accustomed to celebrating the birth of a God on
that day. So, it was easy for the church to divert people's attention to
Jesus' birth.
References:
a.. B.G. Walker, "The Woman's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets," Harper &
Row, (1983)
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
(Serves well to illustrate how lies, which are from satan, are the
antithesis of knowledge.)
Thus, it remains wiser to simply rebuke satan and move on:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/31c3b88286afc5bd?
May you and other dear friends have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year
Roger Pearse
> "Roger Pearse" <roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:94d64c39-53aa-49ba...@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 20, 4:19 am, "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote:
>
> > "Nothing in Christianity is original.
>
> Nonsense.
>
> > "The vestiges of pagan religion in Christian symbology are undeniable.
>
> Denial hereby entered.
>
> The winter solstice occurs about DEC-21 each year.
nonsense snipped>
No answer, then. Hmm.
Thom Madura
No answer, then. Hmm.
Correct -
You have no answer to mine - that is why you snipped it -
It is obvious that much of the christian myth is based on prior myth - And
what I posted is just the beginning
If you read the Psalms of Osiris - - you will find uncanny accuracy in the
copying to the bible.
As noted below - the 23rd Psalm is almost word for word exactly.
I will repeat it and add more - and more and more.
Let me add about creation
The Gilgamesh Epics give an account of a flood that happened thousands of
years before the bible story of Noah. To make further comparison between the
Gilgamesh Epics and the Bible is the story Of Moses. In a book entitled
"Chariots Of The Gods", it states and I quote:"Moses Heard The Voice Of His
Lord, But He Never Saw Him Face To Face. When He asked him To Show Himself
To Him On One Occasion, His "God" Answered: "Thou Can Not See My Face: For
There Shall No Man See Me And Live. And The Lord Said, Behold, There Is A
Place By Me, And Thou Shall Stand Upon A Rock: And It Shall Come To Pass,
While I Pass By: And I Will Take Away Mine Had, And Thou Shall See My Back
Parts: But My Face Shall Not Be Seen" (Exodus 33:20-23).
There are some astonishing similarities in old Texts. On the fifth tablet of
the Epic of Gilgamesh, which is of Sumerian origin and much older than the
bible, we find virtually the same sentence: "No Mortal Came To The Mountain
Where The Gods Dwell. He Who Looks The Gods In The Face Must Die." Moses is
supposed to have been brought up in the Egyptian royal household. Perhaps he
had access to the library or acquired knowledge of ancient secrets during
those Years. " Erich Von Daniken even suggests that Moses got his stories
out of books from the great libraries in Egypt. The authenticity of the holy
books that have people spellbound is being questioned over and Over again.
In both Enuma Elish and Genesis, creation is an act of divine speech - the
Enuma Elish describes pre-creation as a time "when above, the heavens had
not been named, and below the earth had not been called by name", while in
Genesis each act of divine creation is introduced with the formula: "And God
said, let there be...". The sequence of creation is identical: light,
firmament, dry land, luminaries, and man. In both Enuma Elish and Genesis
the primordial world is formless and empty (the tohu wa bohu of Genesis
1:2), the only existing thing the watery abyss which exists prior to
creation (Tiamat in the Enuma Elish, tehom, the "deep", a linguistic cognate
of tiamat, in Genesis 1:2). In both, the firmament, conceived as a solid
inverted bowl, is created in the midst of the primeval waters to separate
the heavens from the earth (Genesis 1:6-7, Enuma Elish 4:137-40). Day and
night precede the creation of the luminous bodies (Gen. 1:5, 8, 13, and
14ff.; Enuma Elish 1:38), whose function is to yield light and regulate time
(Gen. 1:14; Enuma Elish 5:12-13). In Enuma Elish, the gods consult before
creating man (Enuma Elish 6:4), while Genesis has: "Let us make man in our
own image..." (Genesis 1:26) - and in both, the creation of man is followed
by divine rest.
THe Tower of Babel story is also a direct copy from the Babylonian as well
THe tower was the temple of Marduk and was named "Bab ilu" - of gate of god.
IT is telling that the making of the baked bricks is EXACTLY the way the
building of the temple and the zigguarat of Babylon are described in the
Enuma Elish as well as the account of Nabopolassar in Neo Babylonian times.
Nabopolassar told to make the foundation of the temple secure in the bosom
of the netherworld and make its "head in the heavens" - same words as in the
bible text.
The flood is also from the Gilgamesh. Utnapishtim - the Babylonian Noah -
has survived the flood his gods sent to wipe out depraved humanity - but
before he saw dry land from the ark his gods told him to build - he sent out
birds. The first few came back - but when a raven did not - he knew dry land
was found.
From Gilgamesh
I put out and released a raven.
The raven went, and saw the waters receding.
And it ate, preened (?), lifted its tail and did not turn round
Then I put (everything ?) out to the four winds, and I made a sacrifice.
Set out a surqinnu-offering upon the mountain peak,
Arranged the jars seven and seven;
Into the bottom of them I poured (essences of ?) reeds, pine, and myrtle.
The gods smelt the fragrance,
The gods smelt the pleasant fragrance...
From the bible
Genesis 8:20 Then Noah built an altar to the LORD, and took of every clean
animal and of every clean bird, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.
21 And when the LORD smelled the pleasing odor, the LORD said in his heart,
I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the imagination of
man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I ever again destroy every
living creature as I have done.
Thom Madura
No answer, then. Hmm.
My answer was indeed referenced - both the book and the author.
Obviously - You cannot provide proof that the alegations are not true -
since YOU cannot provide the verifiable names of the authors of the bible
passages.
So - Based on youir lack of abilty to answer - as you said you HAVE NO
ANSWER - the point is made that the pagan influence on christianity is
undeniable.
Roger Pearse
> "Roger Pearse" <roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>
> > Nonsense.
>
> > > "The vestiges of pagan religion in Christian symbology are undeniable.
>
> > Denial hereby entered.
>
> > The winter solstice occurs about DEC-21 each year.
>
> <long paste of irrelevant, unreferenced and almost entirely untrue
> nonsense snipped>
>
> No answer, then. Hmm.
>
Illiteracy noted. Bye then.
Roger Pearse
> "Roger Pearse" <roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> news:5c78fa29-1381-4d42...@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 23, 10:59 pm, "Thom Madura" <tommad...@optonline.net> wrote:> "Roger Pearse" <roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:94d64c39-53aa-49ba...@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> > On Aug 20, 4:19 am, "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Nothing in Christianity is original.
>
> > Nonsense.
>
> > > "The vestiges of pagan religion in Christian symbology are undeniable.
>
> > Denial hereby entered.
>
> > The winter solstice occurs about DEC-21 each year.
>
> <long paste of irrelevant, unreferenced and almost entirely untrue
> nonsense snipped>
>
> No answer, then. Hmm.
>
> My answer was indeed referenced
Lie noted. Have more self-respect, hmm?
Thommadura
I note you still have not proven anything about your bible to be true as
well.
Bye then
Thommadura
I did not lie
THe book and author were indeed referenced
Blindness noted
HMMMM.
Thom Madura
I take note you did not argue my point - which is therefore made.
Bye
Thom
Thom Madura
No lie involved - I named botht he author and the book.
Next time you quote the bible - include the name oif the human author of
every passage you quote!
THose that cannot be proven are dismissed.
THom.
Roger Pearse
> "Roger Pearse" <roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> news:87548ade-3210-475a...@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On 27 Aug, 17:22, "Thom Madura" <tommad...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>
>
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> > "Roger Pearse" <roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> >news:5c78fa29-1381-4d42...@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> > On Aug 23, 10:59 pm, "Thom Madura" <tommad...@optonline.net> wrote:>
> "Roger Pearse" <roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:94d64c39-53aa-49ba...@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Aug 20, 4:19 am, "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote:
>
> > > > "Nothing in Christianity is original.
>
> > > Nonsense.
>
> > > > "The vestiges of pagan religion in Christian symbology are undeniable.
>
> > > Denial hereby entered.
>
> > > The winter solstice occurs about DEC-21 each year.
>
> > <long paste of irrelevant, unreferenced and almost entirely untrue
> > nonsense snipped>
>
> > No answer, then. Hmm.
>
> > My answer was indeed referenced
>
> Lie noted. Have more self-respect, hmm?
<troll snipped>
Christianity must be true, if it has to be opposed by methods like
this.
monkfish
Have you proven that your reality is real, yet?
--
monkfish
* alt.atheism is removed from the groups header.
Thommadura
CHristianity must be false if it own believers cannot provide
non-religious proof of its gods.
Thom Madura
<troll snipped>
But - you are the liar
My quotes were indeed referenced as I will repost that you snipped.
And you have failed to answer any of them.
BUT FIRST -
A bunch more
And Again - it would take a truly blind man not to see the basis for much of
the bible in ancient pagan text - and rituals.
Temples, incense, oil lamps, votive offerings, holy water, holidays and
season of devotions, processions, blessing of fields, sacerdotal vestments,
the tonsure (of priests and monks and nuns), images ... are all of pagan
origin
-- The Development of the Christian Religion, by Cardinal Newman
- - - - -
"And thou hast saved us by shedding the eternal blood."
-- From the wall of a Mithraic temple in Rome
- - - - -
Amen - a title of the Egyptian God who was Osiris' father, was also invoked
at the end of every prayer.
- - - - -
Let us begin with Zeus, whom we mortals never leave unspoken. For every
street, every marketplace is full of Zeus. Even the sea and the harbor are
full of this deity. Everywhere everyone is indebted to Zeus, For we are
indeed his offspring.
-- Phenomena 1-5, by the Stoic poet Aratus (c 310 - 240 BC)
In Him [Yahweh/Jesus] we live and move and have our being; as even some of
your poets have said, 'For we are indeed his offspring.'
-- Paul, Apostle to the Gentiles, Acts 17.28
- - - - -
"What you do not like when done to yourself do not to others." Confucius -
500 bce
" It is more blessed to give than to receive" Epicurus - On Nature - 300bce
"Remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to
give than to receive" (Acts)
- - - -
Osiris is the good Shepherd to lead believers through the valley of the
shadow of death and to green pastures and still waters(Egyptian Pyramid
texts - at least 2500BCE)
The Lord is my Shepherd; I shall not want.
He maketh me to lie down in green pastures:
He leadeth me beside the still waters. 23rd Psalm.
- - - -
"it is more blessed to give than to receive" Ancient Greek Aphorism
Hippocrates 400BCE
"To give is more blessed than to receive" [Acts 20:35]
- - - - - -
When he saw them leaping about in the net upon the rock he said: "O you most
perverse creatures, when I piped you would not dance. Aesop's fables 575 BCE
Matt. 11:17,
"We have piped unto you and ye have not danced,"
- - - - - -
"Treat your enemies as you would treat your friends" Rig Veda (At least 1500
bce)
"Love your neigbor as yourself" Egyptian pyramid texts - God of Justice -
2000-2500 bce
"love your enemies as you would your family" Greek Aphorism 350 bce
Aristotle
"love your enemies" Matthew - and other places in the bible
- - - - - -
Persian AVESTRA (Zoroastrian scriptures - 1000 bce)
God Ormuzd created the universe - in six days- in the same order of the
bible. He rested on the seventh day
The first two inhabitants of the earth - were Adama - and Evah (Who was made
from the rib of Adama).
Enuma Elish (1800 BCE)
GODS created the universe in 6 books - in the same order of the bible - and
rested in the seventh book.
- - - - - -
THE FLOOD
This myth (Since we know it never actually happened) is almost universal.
The oldest comes from the Sumerian = older than 1700 BCE (Eridu Genesis
documents)
THe god Enki warns Ziudsura that it was the decision of the gods to destory
mankind in a flood. Enki instructs Ziudsura to build a large boat - and take
som eof very animal on. After a flood of seven days that covers the earth -
Ziudsura makes sacrifices to the gods and is given eternal life.
The Akkadian Atrahasis Epic - no later than 1700 BCE
THe gods decided to destroy humanity - but the god Enki warns Atrahasis -
who built a vessel according to divine measurements.
The epic of Gilgamesh - Babylonian - 2600BCE
Gilgamesh - seeking immortality - seeks out Utnapsihtim in Dilmun
(Paradise) - who tells gilgamesh that the god "Ei" told him of the plan to
destroy all mankind with a flood - and tells him to build a boat and take is
family and wealth and animals. After the flood - the gods repented their
action and made Utnapishtim immortal.
- - - - -
The Tower of Babel is actually a story from the Enuma Elish
Entemenaki(Also known as the Bab-eli) was the ziggurat dedicated to Marduk
in Babylon
When Jerusalem was conquered by king Nebuchadrezzar 2 in 597 BC, he
overthrows the Jewish king Jeconiah. Ten years later, in 587 BC, there was a
Jewish uprising, and Nebuchadrezzar then levelled Jerusalem and brought part
of the Jewish elite back to Babylon as hostages. The capitol of Babylon
controlled the trading routes and was the centre for trade and culture in
this mighty and influential empire. Babylon was a melting pot of people and
many different languages were spoken. There is actual evidence of the Jew'
stay in Babylon in a clay tablet inventory from 592 BC. The inventory lists
the different foods king Jeconiah and his court were entitled to.
- - - - - -
"And you should not pity; for life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for
tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot." Hammurabi 1770 BCE
"And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye,
tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot." (Deut 19,21)
- - - - -
"the Chaldaean cosmogonic myth was a medley of early metaphysics and early
fable, like other cosmogonies. Why is the Biblical story so different in
character" It is not different in character. It is a medley of early
metaphysics and early fable-early, that is, relatively to known Hebrew
history. It ties together two creation stories and two flood stories; it
duplicates several sets of mythic personages-as Cain and Abel, Tubal-Cain
and Jabal; it grafts the curse of Cham on the curse of Cain, making that
finally the curse of Canaan; it tells the same offensive story twice of one
patriarch and again of another; it gives an early "metaphysical" theory of
the origin of death, life, and evil; it adapts the Egyptian story of the
"Two Brothers," or the myth of Adonis, as the history of Joseph; it makes
use of various God-names, pretending that they always stood for the same
deity; it repeats traditions concerning mythic founders of races-if all this
be not a "medley of early fable," what is?
-- Christianity and Mythology, by J. M. Robertson
- - - - -
Mithraism (6th century B.C. Persia and India). Mithras was born of a virgin,
with only shepherds present. Mithras was known as "the way," "the truth,"
"the Life," "the Light," "the Word," the "Son of God," and "the Good
Shepherd." He was pictured carrying a Lamb on his shoulders. Sunday was
sacred and known as "the Lord"s Day" centuries before Jesus was ever born.
On December 25th, there were glorious celebrations with bells, hymns,
candles, gifts, and "communion" was observed by the followers.
From December 25 until the Spring Equinox (Estra or Easter) were the "40
days" which later became Christian Lent. Mithras was finally placed in a
rock tomb called "Petra." After three days he was removed with great
festival, celebrations and joy.
The followers of Mithras believed there would be a day of "judgement" when
non-believers would perish and "believers" would live forever with Mithras
in "paradise," which is a Persian word, not Hebrew.
Christmas Mythology William Edelen
And my First post was a direct quote from the book as noted below the quote.
Thom Madura
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
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Have you run into the wall yet?
Lone Ranger
(in article <48b6f074$0$20945$607e...@cv.net>):
>
> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
>>
>>
>> Have you proven that your reality is real, yet?
>
> Have you run into the wall yet?
>
>
Aah - the questioning troll being questioned.
monkfish
If you know what it means for God to exist,
you would be able to see God everywhere.
monkfish
Have you tripped over your love yet?
monkfish
Aanother hasty conclusion?
If you have any idea what God is,
you would be able to see God everywhere.
Do you see reality everywhere?
I M Portant
> Lone Ranger wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:37:28 -0500, Thom Madura wrote
>> (in article <48b6f074$0$20945$607e...@cv.net>):
>>
>>> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> Have you proven that your reality is real, yet?
>>> Have you run into the wall yet?
>>>
>>>
>> Aah - the questioning troll being questioned.
>
>
> Aanother hasty conclusion?
>
> If you have any idea what God is,
> you would be able to see God everywhere.
>
> Do you see reality everywhere?
>
>
Yup, more questions to questions.
So we have Tom-ass copying and pasting and monkquestion just questioning
so neither has to think.
Thom Madura
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
Noting that your god supposedly kept his body when he rose - if he was
everywhere - he should be in every photograph and tv scene in the flesh!
Oh well - he doesn't - and that is because gods do not exist in real life -
with or without a body.
Thom Madura
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
I see reality hit you in the head!
Thom Madura
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
> Lone Ranger wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:37:28 -0500, Thom Madura wrote
> > (in article <48b6f074$0$20945$607e...@cv.net>):
> >
> >>
> >> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Have you proven that your reality is real, yet?
> >>
> >> Have you run into the wall yet?
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Aah - the questioning troll being questioned.
>
>
> Aanother hasty conclusion?
>
> If you have any idea what God is,
> you would be able to see God everywhere.
>
> Do you see reality everywhere?
Obviously - gods are never seen - because what they really are - are
imaginary beings created by the imagination of humans - that do not really
exist.
Even when you close your eyes - you can see the reality of your eyelids!
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> satan via another sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Have you proven that your reality is real, yet?
> >>
> >> Have you run into the wall yet?
> >
> > Aah - the questioning troll being questioned.
>
> Aanother hasty conclusion?
>
> If you have any idea what God is,
> you would be able to see God everywhere.
>
> Do you see reality everywhere?
Wiser to remember WDJW and rebuke satan at each GOD-given opportunity
as GOD desires:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/31c3b88286afc5bd?
May you and other dear friends have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year
since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah, the Son of
Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f43db72a7c5c1da0?
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier.
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1a812afc784ae683?
Thom Madura
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:10694b31-51af-4288...@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> convicted friend monkfish wrote:
> > satan via another sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> > > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> > >> convicted friend "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote:
> > >
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Have you proven that your reality is real, yet?
> > >>
> > >> Have you run into the wall yet?
> > >
> > > Aah - the questioning troll being questioned.
> >
> > Aanother hasty conclusion?
> >
> > If you have any idea what God is,
> > you would be able to see God everywhere.
> >
> > Do you see reality everywhere?
>
> Wiser to remember WDJW and rebuke satan at each GOD-given opportunity
> as GOD desires:
Noting that neither gods nor satan exist - your message means nothing -
which is the same thing it has been for three years so far!
Thommadura
1 - My full first name is Thomek -
You, like monkfish -hide behind an alias
ANd you have yet to provide any substance to anything
Sanity's Little Helper
"Mas tacos por favor." according to him.
--
David Silverman
aa #2208
Defender of Civilisation
Lord Mayor of Dis
Q: WDJW?"
A:Otra tequila por favor!" - Jesus
Not authentic without this signature.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
<><
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
Hatter
> What does Jesus want?
>
> "Mas tacos por favor." according to him.
>
> --
perhaps this:
http://www.radiocriciuma.com.br/imagens_editor/Sabrina_Sabrok.jpg
Hatter
monkfish
> monkfish wrote:
>> Lone Ranger wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:37:28 -0500, Thom Madura wrote
>>> (in article <48b6f074$0$20945$607e...@cv.net>):
>>>
>>>> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you proven that your reality is real, yet?
>>>> Have you run into the wall yet?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Aah - the questioning troll being questioned.
>>
>>
>> Another hasty conclusion?
>>
>> If you have any idea what God is,
>> you would be able to see God everywhere.
>>
>> Do you see reality everywhere?
>>
>>
>
> Yup, more questions to questions.
>
> So we have Tom-ass copying and pasting and monkquestion just questioning
> so neither has to think.
Too difficult to think for yourself?
Of course, it's a lot easier to believe
in the physicalistic world view.
That way, you don't have to think for yourself.
To believe in God is to commit yourself
to be more than the old physicalistic yourself.
Would you like to know how to do
more good than harm?
monkfish
> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
>> Thommadura wrote:
>> > Roger Pearse wrote:
>> >> On 28 Aug, 13:10, "Thom Madura" <tommad...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> >>> "Roger Pearse" <roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>> >>> On 27 Aug, 17:22, "Thom Madura" <tommad...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> >>>> "Roger Pearse" <roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>> >>>> On Aug 23, 10:59 pm, "Thom Madura" <tommad...@optonline.net> wrote:>
>> >>> "Roger Pearse" <roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>> On Aug 20, 4:19 am, "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>> "Nothing in Christianity is original.
>> >>>>> Nonsense.
>> >>>>>> "The vestiges of pagan religion in Christian symbology are
>> >>>>>> undeniable.
>> >>>>> Denial hereby entered.
>> >>>>> The winter solstice occurs about DEC-21 each year.
>> >>>> <long paste of irrelevant, unreferenced and almost entirely untrue
>> >>>> nonsense snipped>
>> >>>> No answer, then. Hmm.
>> >>>> My answer was indeed referenced
>> >>> Lie noted. Have more self-respect, hmm?
>> >>
>> >> <troll snipped>
>> >>
>> >> Christianity must be true, if it has to be opposed by methods like
>> >> this.
>> >
>> > CHristianity must be false if it own believers cannot provide
>> > non-religious proof of its gods.
>>
>>
>> If you know what it means for God to exist,
>> you would be able to see God everywhere.
>
> Noting that your god supposedly kept his body when he rose - if he was
> everywhere - he should be in every photograph and tv scene in the flesh!
> Oh well - he doesn't - and that is because gods do not exist in real life
> - with or without a body.
If you know what it means for love to exist,
you would be able to see love everywhere.
monkfish
What on earth makes you think
you know all about what is real?
monkfish
Have you seen the reality of reality yet?
monkfish
He is angry and begging for help.
Do you have any idea how to help him?
judyt
> examples:
>
> Egyptian sun disks became the halos of Catholic saints.
>
> Pictograms of Isis nursing her miraculously conceived son Horus became the
> blueprint for our modern images of the Virgin Mary nursing Baby Jesus.
>
> And virtually all the elements of the Catholic ritual - the miter, the
> altar, the doxology, and communion, the act of "God-eating" - were taken
> directly from earlier pagan mystery religions."
>
> The pre-Christian God Mithras - called the Son of God and the Light of the
> World - was born on December 25, died, was buried in a rock tomb, and then
> resurrected in three days.
>
> By the way, December 25 is also the birthday or Osiris, Adonis, and
> Dionysus. The newborn Krishna was presented with gold, frankincense, and
> myrrh. Even Christianity's weekly holy day was stolen from the pagans."
The above is all true
What is original is the Christ of scripture
judyt
Thom Madura
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
Would you like to know how to live a full and wonderful life?
Thom Madura
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
non-sequiter
A god who supposedly has a body and is everywhere should be seen by
everyone - or he doesn't exist.
Thom Madura
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
Stop putting words into my mouth.
I don't need to know all about what is real to be able to identify what is
not.
Thom Madura
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
Nonsense!
Thom Madura
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
Yes - get him away from religion.
Thom Madura
"judyt" <jandgt...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:93418f25-ca50-4c29...@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
All you then need to prove is that any scripture is real - which you cannot.
All bibles are reference documents - and all reference books are only as
good as the documents they REFER to. In the case of the bible - none exist.
However - we can provide HUNDREDS of examples of the pagan origin for the so
called words of your god.
Why was he such a copycat?
Roger Pearse
> On Aug 19, 11:19 pm, "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Nothing in Christianity is original.
>
> > "The vestiges of pagan religion in Christian symbology are undeniable. Some
> > examples:
>
> > Egyptian sun disks became the halos of Catholic saints.
>
> > Pictograms of Isis nursing her miraculously conceived son Horus became the
> > blueprint for our modern images of the Virgin Mary nursing Baby Jesus.
>
> > And virtually all the elements of the Catholic ritual - the miter, the
> > altar, the doxology, and communion, the act of "God-eating" - were taken
> > directly from earlier pagan mystery religions."
>
> > World - was born on December 25, died, was buried in a rock tomb, and then
> > resurrected in three days.
>
> > By the way, December 25 is also the birthday or Osiris, Adonis, and
> > Dionysus. The newborn Krishna was presented with gold, frankincense, and
> > myrrh. Even Christianity's weekly holy day was stolen from the pagans."
>
> The above is all true
Um, actually it's all factually untrue.
All the best,
Roger Pearse
Roger Pearse
> All you then need to prove is ...
Erm, no-one needs to prove anything to those who won't even discuss
their own beliefs, never mind prove them, and all of whose posts are
just sniping.
> However - we can provide HUNDREDS of examples of the pagan origin for the so
> called words of your god.
All of them fake, and none of which you have checked.
> Why was he such a copycat?
Why does your religion permit you to tell lies?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Roger Pearse
> "Roger Pearse" <roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>
> On 28 Aug, 13:10, "Thom Madura" <tommad...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Roger Pearse" <roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>
> > On 27 Aug, 17:22, "Thom Madura" <tommad...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> > > "Roger Pearse" <roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > On Aug 23, 10:59 pm, "Thom Madura" <tommad...@optonline.net> wrote:>
> > "Roger Pearse" <roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > On Aug 20, 4:19 am, "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > "Nothing in Christianity is original.
>
>
> > > > > "The vestiges of pagan religion in Christian symbology are
> undeniable.
>
>
> > > > The winter solstice occurs about DEC-21 each year.
>
> > > <long paste of irrelevant, unreferenced and almost entirely untrue
> > > nonsense snipped>
>
> > > No answer, then. Hmm.
>
>
> > Lie noted. Have more self-respect, hmm?
>
> <troll snipped>
>
> Christianity must be true, if it has to be opposed by methods like
> this.
The response of this foul little troll was to post the following
hearsay:
> "And thou hast saved us by shedding the eternal blood."
> -- From the wall of a Mithraic temple in Rome
Evidence?
> Amen - a title of the Egyptian God who was Osiris' father, was also invoked
> at the end of every prayer.
Evidence?
> Let us begin with Zeus, whom we mortals never leave unspoken. For every
> street, every marketplace is full of Zeus. Even the sea and the harbor are
> full of this deity. Everywhere everyone is indebted to Zeus, For we are
> indeed his offspring.
> -- Phenomena 1-5, by the Stoic poet Aratus (c 310 - 240 BC)
Evidence?
> "What you do not like when done to yourself do not to others." Confucius -
> 500 bce
Evidence?
> " It is more blessed to give than to receive" Epicurus - On Nature - 300bce
Evidence?
> Osiris is the good Shepherd to lead believers through the valley of the
> shadow of death and to green pastures and still waters(Egyptian Pyramid
> texts - at least 2500BCE)
Evidence?
> "it is more blessed to give than to receive" Ancient Greek Aphorism
> Hippocrates 400BCE
Evidence?
> When he saw them leaping about in the net upon the rock he said: "O you most
> perverse creatures, when I piped you would not dance. Aesop's fables 575 BCE
Evidence?
> "Treat your enemies as you would treat your friends" Rig Veda (At least 1500
> bce)
Evidence?
> "Love your neigbor as yourself" Egyptian pyramid texts - God of Justice -
> 2000-2500 bce
Evidence?
> "love your enemies as you would your family" Greek Aphorism 350 bce
> Aristotle
Evidence?
<more crude unevidenced lies snipped>
All we have here, as ever, is a scumbag pasting stuff, the truth of
which is unknown to him and which is merely posted as a jeer.
As I remarked, while this is the practice of atheists, atheism must be
untrue.
guardian Snow
wrote:
Hi Fred.. good to see you posting again:) I did think it was strange
that right after I posted a message to you on alt.messianic.yeshua....
only hours after words you started spamming this group for the first
time.
On Aug 27, 1:23 am, "Fred A Stover" <fredstov...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> * The Pharisees were the ones who believed in the resurrection. They were
> divided by the coming of Christ into Christians, and the Jewish
> resurrectionists which became rabbinical Judaism
Fred.. I hadn't realized you had come over to alt.messinic.yeshua ...
Now I see why you've been posting just to this group. I kept cross
posting thinking you were still on other threads... But why are you
posting on a Yeshua group with those false Greek/Roman names and
titles? "Lord, God"?? He was a Hebrew and had a Hebrew name:)
Exo 20:7 “You do not bring the Name of יהוה your Elohim to naught, for
יהוה does not leave the one unpunished who brings His Name to naught.
יהוה Ěl Shaddai is one of his names.
יהושע Messiah, the Son of Elohim. Yeshua will do here:)
Of course your welcome brother.. just don't tell everybody:) We don't
have the monster spam here yet:))
--------------------------------
Only hours later…
For the first time ever....
here comes CHUNG on alt.messianic.yeshua
-----------------------------------------------
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1a812afc784ae683?
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f43db72a7c5c1da0?
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Be hungrier, which is healthier.
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6fca21f72365c0f7?
------------------------------------------
Vera:
>> The problem arises when folks' read "hungry" which gets changed to
>> "starvation" by their demons in their minds. And folks who argue
>> against leaving the table while still hungry, are attempting to
>> reinforce the epidemic.
> Now I understand all to well Fred. Thank you for sharing that with
> me. I was wondering why he started cross posting to
> alt.messianic.yeshua all of a sudden. Your a liar BECAUSE THAT WAS
> AND YOUR/HIS MESSAGE FILLED WITH EVIL!
That is wrong - maybe you missed whom he addressed himself to...
>> It was later that I went to the links you provided and saw just how
>> vile your message was.
> That wasn't my message. I was telling you about a the problem of
> somebody being attacked and showing you the evil... I love the way
> he is "addressing hunger"
> here by telling this person:
> "May you suffer infinitely more times than all the suffering combined
> you have caused with your lies especially to those who have overeaten
> to the point of affliction because of your delusion that hunger is
> bad...
But you have also seen WHOM he was addressing this to???
I doubt about it... It was someone who called himself "Satan".
You do not want to tell us you are defending this guy???
> ... and just when you think your suffering is absolutely unbearable,
> may GOD amplify it by infinity and extend the duration to eternity as
> HE casts you into that lake of fire being prepared for you and your
> children, satan.
Amen.
May satan suffer in hell for all the evil he has been doing to the
people.
> In the gloriously awesome and holy name of LORD Jesus Christ, I rebuke
> you yet again before an ever-growing cloud of cheering witnesses both
> here and in heaven. "
> Remember my friend:
> Mat 7:2 “For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged. And
> with the same measure you use, it shall be measured to you.
Heed your own advice.
> I see you now Fred. I see you for what you are.
That is good.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>
>
> All we have here, as ever, is a scumbag pasting stuff, the truth of
> which is unknown to him and which is merely posted as a jeer.
>
> As I remarked, while this is the practice of atheists, atheism must be
> untrue.
>
> All the best,
>
> Roger Pearse
... just rebuke satan and move on:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/31c3b88286afc5bd?
May you and other dear friends have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year
since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah, the Son of
Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f43db72a7c5c1da0?
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier.
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1a812afc784ae683?
monkfish
That's the idea.
You are here to figure out the best way
"to live a full and wonderful life".
You just think you already know the answer.
Do you have any idea what it means to live fully?
monkfish
You are confused.
God is love.
If you know what it means for injustice to exist,
you would be able to see injustice everywhere.
monkfish
How do you know that God is not real
when you don't know all about what is real?
monkfish
Have you seen the reality of ideals yet?
monkfish
Not from your blind faith?
Thom Madura
"Roger Pearse" <roger....@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:c6c0f25b-c736-461b...@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
Sorry - Roger - but there is more evidence that those things are true than
there is of the bible - much of which can be proven false - and has even
been accepted as false by it's author - the Roman Catholic Church.
Thom Madura
WHy does your religion make you belive in lies?
Thom Madura
Evidence?
Evidence?
Evidence?
Evidence?
Evidence?
Evidence?
Evidence?
Evidence?
Evidence?
Evidence?
Evidence?
No - I post from actual texts - and give you the sources.
It is no different from you quoting the bible - the source of which is
unknown to all as well.
The rig Veda is available to read - as are the pyramid texts of egypt - and
the writing of aristotle.
At least this time - you left the actual sources of most of the information.
Now - all you need to do is read them. I did.
Thom Madura
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
Yes - drive religion and gods from your life - and live your life as an
enabled human.
PanFlu Prophecies
Enjoy him.
guardian Snow wrote:
> On Aug 30, 8:05 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Fred.. good to see you posting again:) I did think it was strange
> that right after I posted a message to you on alt.messianic.yeshua....
> only hours after words you started spamming this group for the first
> time.
>
> On Aug 27, 1:23 am, "Fred A Stover" <fredstov...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> * The Pharisees were the ones who believed in the resurrection. They
>> were divided by the coming of Christ into Christians, and the Jewish
>> resurrectionists which became rabbinical Judaism
>
> Fred.. I hadn't realized you had come over to alt.messinic.yeshua ...
> Now I see why you've been posting just to this group. I kept cross
> posting thinking you were still on other threads... But why are you
> posting on a Yeshua group with those false Greek/Roman names and
> titles? "Lord, God"?? He was a Hebrew and had a Hebrew name:)
>
> Exo 20:7 "You do not bring the Name of ???? your Elohim to naught, for
> ???? does not leave the one unpunished who brings His Name to naught.
>
> ???? El Shaddai is one of his names.
>
> ????? Messiah, the Son of Elohim. Yeshua will do here:)
>
> Of course your welcome brother.. just don't tell everybody:) We don't
> have the monster spam here yet:))
>
> --------------------------------
> Only hours later.
guardian Snow
wrote:
> Seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee... i told ya CCT was good fun! :-)
>
> Enjoy him.
Notice the fish symbol on Vera's web site
http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/GROWING-DEEPER-C.htm
Based on this google group:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Growing-Deeper
Vera aka Good News Runner and Fred A Stover post the massive spams
targeted at people that don't share in there FISHY little group.
Whenever this group post, you’ll notice that they have a group of
people they like to target…
A few month ago, seeking to find a message board to post from, I left
posting from alt.messinic which was being targeted daily by a user
with over 50 accounts. A few days ago, Fred A Stover started posting
messages to me. He then posted a message on the board I have been
posting from, alt.messianic.yeshua. I posted this message to him…
On Aug 27, 1:23 am, "Fred A Stover" <fredstov...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> * The Pharisees were the ones who believed in the resurrection. They were
> divided by the coming of Christ into Christians, and the Jewish
> resurrectionists which became rabbinical Judaism
Fred.. I hadn't realized you had come over to alt.messinic.yeshua ...
Now I see why you've been posting just to this group. I kept cross
posting thinking you were still on other threads... But why are you
posting on a Yeshua group with those false Greek/Roman names and
titles? "Lord, God"?? He was a Hebrew and had a Hebrew name:)
Exo 20:7 “You do not bring the Name of יהוה your Elohim to naught, for
יהוה does not leave the one unpunished who brings His Name to naught.
יהוה Ěl Shaddai is one of his names.
יהושע Messiah, the Son of Elohim. Yeshua will do here:)
Of course your welcome brother.. just don't tell everybody:) We don't
have the monster spam here yet:))
Only hours later… The Chung Spam attacks came to
alt.messianic.yeshua and have been of the usual nonsense….
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
Notice carefully again.. THE FISH SYMBOL!! I posted my message about
Chung on there message board.. they deleted it.. posted it again..
deleted again. They said, my message was “vile” when I was calling
for people to stand against Chung spam and his message of telling
people lies.
>> The problem arises when folks' read "hungry" which gets changed to
>> "starvation" by their demons in their minds. And folks who argue
>> against leaving the table while still hungry, are attempting to
>> reinforce the epidemic.
> Now I understand all to well Fred. Thank you for sharing that with
> me. I was wondering why he started cross posting to
> alt.messianic.yeshua all of a sudden. Your a liar BECAUSE THAT WAS
> YOUR/HIS MESSAGE FILLED WITH EVIL!
So.. I’m speaking to FRED A STOVER NOW
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 3:15 AM
Please don't involve us in your blasphemy of His spirit.
I see no "if" in "in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word
may be
established" (Matt 18:16).
www.selah-tx.net <http://www.selah-tx.net>
His
ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the Lord
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Verily I say unto you, Whosoever
shall not receive the kingdom of God
as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
(Mark 10:15)
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> I have to say... it bothers me more that you reposted part of it and
> not the part where he says that poor girl the Holy Spirit says she
> needs to suffer endlessly.
Unrepentent sinners aren't going to suffer endlessly?
> Your "Christian" values really have a sad blind eye for what you want
> to believe.
> Painting me as a bad guy for speaking up about something I see as a
> serious problem...
He is addressing a serious problem, and hungry is good. There would be
few
type 2 diabetes (the epidemic he is addressing) patients if they had
pushed
themselves away from the breakfast, lunch, and dinner tables while
still
hungary. EVERY one of the several people to which I've spoken who
lived to
be 100 or more, included leaving the table while still hungry to the
things
to do to live to 100.
The problem arises when folks' read "hungry" which gets changed to
"starvation" by their demons in their minds. And folks who argue
against
leaving the table while still hungry, are attempting to reinforce the
epidemic.
His
ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the Lord
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Verily I say unto you, Whosoever
shall not receive the kingdom of God
as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
(Mark 10:15)
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Notice again the fish symbols, the talk about “blasphemy” and the
pride he took in speaking about type 2 diabetes. Notice the “demons”
in their mind reference…
THEY ARE CHUNG! Notice the fish symbols on all of chungs post?
monkfish
Is life physicalistic?
::: good news runner :::
guardian Snow
wrote:
On Aug 30, 3:27 pm, "Fred A Stover" <fredstov...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> This is a warning not to grieve the Holy Spirit, so we will remain sealed
> unto the Day of Redemption. When He has to leave it grieves Him, and we are
> not sealed. What is being overlooked is that the determination is at the
> end: "he that endureth to the end shall be saved" (Matt 10:22)
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Growing-Deeper
You really are GROWING DEEPER.
> Innews:g9a2o6$olj$1...@aioe.org,
> PanFlu Prophecies <flub...@horrrorbird.com> typed:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> friend "Fred A Stover" <fredstov...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > This is a warning not to grieve the Holy Spirit, so we will remain sealed
> > unto the Day of Redemption. When He has to leave it grieves Him, and we are
> > not sealed. What is being overlooked is that the determination is at the
> > end: "he that endureth to the end shall be saved" (Matt 10:22)
Amen.
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Growing-Deeper
>
> You really are GROWING DEEPER.
You really are doomed:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/6b5ed2ca868902b1?
May we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile), "endureth to
the end" mindful of WDJW, continuing to rebuke you at each GOD-given
opportunity as GOD desires:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/31c3b88286afc5bd?
<><
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f43db72a7c5c1da0?
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier.
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1a812afc784ae683?
::: good news runner :::
shelves - eh shells.
Emmm... Snow, get your quotes fixed.
"guardian Snow" <snowp...@eck.net.au> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:7a28e789-fb52-4701...@v13g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 30, 11:58 am, " ::: good news runner :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
wrote:
On Aug 30, 3:27 pm, "Fred A Stover" <fredstov...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> This is a warning not to grieve the Holy Spirit, so we will remain
> sealed
> unto the Day of Redemption. When He has to leave it grieves Him, and
> we are
> not sealed. What is being overlooked is that the determination is at
> the
> end: "he that endureth to the end shall be saved" (Matt 10:22)
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Growing-Deeper
You really are GROWING DEEPER.
Sure!
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::: good news runner :::
"guardian Snow" <phoenix...@yahoo.com.au> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:a3219bf1-5011-4261...@v16g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 30, 10:03 am, "PanFlu Prophecies" <flub...@horrrorbird.com>
wrote:
> Seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee... i told ya CCT was good fun! :-)
>
> Enjoy him.
Notice the fish symbol on Vera's web site
http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/GROWING-DEEPER-C.htm
Based on this google group:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Growing-Deeper
Oh dear, now you have noticed it.... emmm.... what shall I say... the
fish is everywhere...
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Snow is dreaming of his Alter Ego Captain Santa Claus...
?
Sorry, it should be Santa Claus is dreaming of a White Christmas in the
Snow.
No.
It should be... Santa Claus is dreaming of Snow, his Alter Ego.
No.
Fish. He sees fish everywhere.
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It is a long dream of Snow - err, no, of fish. Snow can see this fish
symbol everywhere.
Guess what he had for dinner...
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She sells sea shells at the sea shelf - at the sea shelf she sells sea
shelves - eh shells.
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Vera aka Good News Runner and Fred A Stover post the massive spams
targeted at people that don't share in there FISHY little group.
Whenever this group post, you'll notice that they have a group of
people they like to target.
A few month ago, seeking to find a message board to post from, I left
posting from alt.messinic which was being targeted daily by a user
with over 50 accounts. A few days ago, Fred A Stover started posting
messages to me. He then posted a message on the board I have been
posting from, alt.messianic.yeshua. I posted this message to him.
On Aug 27, 1:23 am, "Fred A Stover" <fredstov...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> * The Pharisees were the ones who believed in the resurrection. They
> were
> divided by the coming of Christ into Christians, and the Jewish
> resurrectionists which became rabbinical Judaism
Fred.. I hadn't realized you had come over to alt.messinic.yeshua ...
Now I see why you've been posting just to this group. I kept cross
posting thinking you were still on other threads... But why are you
posting on a Yeshua group with those false Greek/Roman names and
titles? "Lord, God"?? He was a Hebrew and had a Hebrew name:)
Exo 20:7 "You do not bring the Name of ???? your Elohim to naught, for
???? does not leave the one unpunished who brings His Name to naught.
???? El Shaddai is one of his names.
????? Messiah, the Son of Elohim. Yeshua will do here:)
Of course your welcome brother.. just don't tell everybody:) We don't
have the monster spam here yet:))
Only hours later. The Chung Spam attacks came to
alt.messianic.yeshua and have been of the usual nonsense..
His
in their mind reference.
guardian Snow
wrote:
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Growing-Deeper
>
> Oh dear, now you have noticed it.... emmm.... what shall I say... the
> fish is everywhere...
On Aug 30, 10:50 pm, " ::: good news runner :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
wrote:
Why don't you tell me all about it "SISTER VERA"
What's the matter Vera? Don't like the fact that you guys can't taunt
people without them knowing who you are?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8b2e06e55f48800a
sister ::: vera ::: wrote:
> convicted neighbor Matt wrote:
> > Ya right. Just do as Vera tells you. Servers are such open things
Paranoid delusion (false belief in conspiracy) noted in dear neighbor
Matt.
> Fact is I have not communicated with Andrew for months.
It may be more than a year since last I have received an email from
you.
May GOD continue to bless us in HIS mighty way making us healthier
(hungrier) than ever, dear sister Vera whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <><
PanFlu Prophecies
> On Aug 30, 10:03 am, "PanFlu Prophecies" <flub...@horrrorbird.com>
> wrote:
>> Seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee... i told ya CCT was good fun! :-)
>>
>> Enjoy him.
>
> Notice the fish symbol on Vera's web site
Ahhh.. the phisshhh symbol. Somebody ought to slap the Crazed Chinese Troll
(CCT)
and its socks with that stinky littul phish. :-))))))))))))
CCT is good phun, I tell ya! Enjoy him while you can.
> http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/GROWING-DEEPER-C.htm
>
> Based on this google group:
>
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Growing-Deeper
>
> Vera aka Good News Runner and Fred A Stover post the massive spams
> targeted at people that don't share in there FISHY little group.
> Whenever this group post, you'll notice that they have a group of
> people they like to target.
>
> A few month ago, seeking to find a message board to post from, I left
> posting from alt.messinic which was being targeted daily by a user
> with over 50 accounts. A few days ago, Fred A Stover started posting
> messages to me. He then posted a message on the board I have been
> posting from, alt.messianic.yeshua. I posted this message to him.
>
>
> On Aug 27, 1:23 am, "Fred A Stover" <fredstov...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> * The Pharisees were the ones who believed in the resurrection. They
>> were divided by the coming of Christ into Christians, and the Jewish
>> resurrectionists which became rabbinical Judaism
>
> Fred.. I hadn't realized you had come over to alt.messinic.yeshua ...
> Now I see why you've been posting just to this group. I kept cross
> posting thinking you were still on other threads... But why are you
> posting on a Yeshua group with those false Greek/Roman names and
> titles? "Lord, God"?? He was a Hebrew and had a Hebrew name:)
>
> Exo 20:7 "You do not bring the Name of ???? your Elohim to naught, for
> ???? does not leave the one unpunished who brings His Name to naught.
>
> ???? El Shaddai is one of his names.
>
> ????? Messiah, the Son of Elohim. Yeshua will do here:)
>
> Of course your welcome brother.. just don't tell everybody:) We don't
> have the monster spam here yet:))
>
>
> Only hours later. The Chung Spam attacks came to
> alt.messianic.yeshua and have been of the usual nonsense..
>
> May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
> 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
> the Son of Man ...
> Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
> Andrew <><
>
> in their mind reference.
Thom Madura
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
Is your life imaginary?
Don Kirkman
article
<89b9a0c5-6a24-4c73...@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>:
>May we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile), "endureth to
>the end" mindful of WDJW, continuing to rebuke you at each GOD-given
>opportunity as GOD desires:
Ah, that Elizabethan English is tricky, isn't it, Doc? "Endureth" is
the third person singular of "endure," so is ungrammatical in your
sentence (or has the HS overridden English grammar as it has evolved
over the centuries?). "We," being first person plural, simply needs
"endure."
You're welcome. I understand that with all your attention being
focused on to medical science and your in-depth studies of
Christianity you have little time for the everyday things other people
are concerned with.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
monkfish
Still imagining that
you already know what really matters in your life?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >May we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile), "endureth to
> >the end" mindful of WDJW, continuing to rebuke you at each GOD-given
> >opportunity as GOD desires:
>
> Ah, that Elizabethan English is tricky, isn't it, Doc? "Endureth" is
> the third person singular of "endure," so is ungrammatical in your
> sentence (or has the HS overridden English grammar as it has evolved
> over the centuries?). "We," being first person plural, simply needs
> "endure."
Simply serves to illustrate how being guided by the Holy Spirit is not
the same as being the Holy Spirit, Who is perfect.
Bottom line concerning your difficulties here:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b09fe2cd7fceefc8?
<><
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1a812afc784ae683?
Don Kirkman
article
>convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >May we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile), "endureth to
>> >the end" mindful of WDJW, continuing to rebuke you at each GOD-given
>> >opportunity as GOD desires:
>> Ah, that Elizabethan English is tricky, isn't it, Doc? "Endureth" is
>> the third person singular of "endure," so is ungrammatical in your
>> sentence (or has the HS overridden English grammar as it has evolved
>> over the centuries?). "We," being first person plural, simply needs
>> "endure."
>Simply serves to illustrate how being guided by the Holy Spirit is not
>the same as being the Holy Spirit, Who is perfect.
So which is it, he couldn't lead you to use correct grammar, or he
didn't lead you to write the mistaken "endureth"?
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >> >May we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile), "endureth to
> >> >the end" mindful of WDJW, continuing to rebuke you at each GOD-given
> >> >opportunity as GOD desires:
>
> >> Ah, that Elizabethan English is tricky, isn't it, Doc? "Endureth" is
> >> the third person singular of "endure," so is ungrammatical in your
> >> sentence (or has the HS overridden English grammar as it has evolved
> >> over the centuries?). "We," being first person plural, simply needs
> >> "endure."
>
> > Simply serves to illustrate how being guided by the Holy Spirit is not
> > the same as being the Holy Spirit, Who is perfect.
>
> So which is it, he couldn't lead you to use correct grammar, or he
> didn't lead you to write the mistaken "endureth"?
Though we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile), may
stumble in our ever closer walk with GOD, He keeps us from falling.
Bottom line concerning your difficulties:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b09fe2cd7fceefc8
<><
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1a812afc784ae683?
Don Kirkman
article
>convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
>> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> >May we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile), "endureth to
>> >> >the end" mindful of WDJW, continuing to rebuke you at each GOD-given
>> >> >opportunity as GOD desires:
>> >> Ah, that Elizabethan English is tricky, isn't it, Doc? "Endureth" is
>> >> the third person singular of "endure," so is ungrammatical in your
>> >> sentence (or has the HS overridden English grammar as it has evolved
>> >> over the centuries?). "We," being first person plural, simply needs
>> >> "endure."
>> > Simply serves to illustrate how being guided by the Holy Spirit is not
>> > the same as being the Holy Spirit, Who is perfect.
>> So which is it, he couldn't lead you to use correct grammar, or he
>> didn't lead you to write the mistaken "endureth"?
>Though we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile), may
>stumble in our ever closer walk with GOD, He keeps us from falling.
That's a big claim you make about discipleship. Nevertheless, you did
fall into error and wrote the wrong word.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> >convicted neighbor Don Kirkman wrote:
> >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >> >> >May we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile), "endureth to
> >> >> >the end" mindful of WDJW, continuing to rebuke you at each GOD-given
> >> >> >opportunity as GOD desires:
>
> >> >> Ah, that Elizabethan English is tricky, isn't it, Doc? "Endureth" is
> >> >> the third person singular of "endure," so is ungrammatical in your
> >> >> sentence (or has the HS overridden English grammar as it has evolved
> >> >> over the centuries?). "We," being first person plural, simply needs
> >> >> "endure."
>
> >> > Simply serves to illustrate how being guided by the Holy Spirit is not
> >> > the same as being the Holy Spirit, Who is perfect.
>
> >> So which is it, he couldn't lead you to use correct grammar, or he
> >> didn't lead you to write the mistaken "endureth"?
>
> >Though we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile), may
> >stumble in our ever closer walk with GOD, He keeps us from falling.
>
> That's a big claim you make about discipleship.
GOD remains fully able and continues to keep His promises.
> Nevertheless, you did
> fall into error and wrote the wrong word.
Still standing thanks to GOD's promise :-)
Laus Deo ! ! !
The same can not be truthfully written about your self-reliance:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/0d7048a29e85b87e?
<><
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1a812afc784ae683?
Roger Pearse
> "Roger Pearse" <roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:c6c0f25b-c736-461b...@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 29, 4:59 pm, judyt <jandgtayl...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 19, 11:19 pm, "J A" <a...@re.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Nothing in Christianity is original.
>
> > > "The vestiges of pagan religion in Christian symbology are undeniable.
> Some
> > > examples:
>
> > > Egyptian sun disks became the halos of Catholic saints.
>
> > > Pictograms of Isis nursing her miraculously conceived son Horus became
> the
> > > blueprint for our modern images of the Virgin Mary nursing Baby Jesus.
>
> > > And virtually all the elements of the Catholic ritual - the miter, the
> > > altar, the doxology, and communion, the act of "God-eating" - were taken
> > > directly from earlier pagan mystery religions."
>
> > > The pre-Christian GodMithras- called the Son of God and the Light of the
> > > World - was born on December 25, died, was buried in a rock tomb, and
> then
> > > resurrected in three days.
>
> > > By the way, December 25 is also the birthday or Osiris, Adonis, and
> > > Dionysus. The newborn Krishna was presented with gold, frankincense, and
> > > myrrh. Even Christianity's weekly holy day was stolen from the pagans."
>
> > The above is all true
>
> Um, actually it's all factually untrue.
>
> Sorry - Roger - but there is more evidence that those things are true
Produce the ancient sources, little troll.
Oh I AM sorry. Of course you can't. Smile.
Roger Pearse
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> > judyt <jandgtayl...@charter.net> wrote:
> > > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> >
> >
> > > > "The vestiges of pagan religion in Christian symbology are undeniable.
> > Some
> > > > examples:
> >
> > > > Egyptian sun disks became the halos of Catholic saints.
> >
> > > > Pictograms of Isis nursing her miraculously conceived son Horus became
> > the
> > > > blueprint for our modern images of the Virgin Mary nursing Baby Jesus.
> >
> > > > And virtually all the elements of the Catholic ritual - the miter, the
> > > > altar, the doxology, and communion, the act of "God-eating" - were taken
> > > > directly from earlier pagan mystery religions."
> >
> > > > The pre-Christian GodMithras- called the Son of God and the Light of the
> > > > World - was born on December 25, died, was buried in a rock tomb, and
> > then
> > > > resurrected in three days.
> >
> > > > By the way, December 25 is also the birthday or Osiris, Adonis, and
> > > > Dionysus. The newborn Krishna was presented with gold, frankincense, and
> > > > myrrh. Even Christianity's weekly holy day was stolen from the pagans."
> >
> > > The above is all true
> >
> > Um, actually it's all factually untrue.
> >
> > Sorry - Roger - but there is more evidence that those things are true
>
It can't produce its master, who is satan, source of all lies
especially the ancient ones:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e17dea9c6a25e81c?
Suggested additional reading about their tragic condition:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c5c55fcace06864?
May you and other dear friends have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year
since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah, the Son of
Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f43db72a7c5c1da0?
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier.
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/1a812afc784ae683?
Thom Madura
I provided the books and the authors -
But of course - you cannot provide the sources for you bible either - so the
situation is moot.
(SMILE BACK)
However - YOU are the one mixing up belief with reality.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
Actually, you have no power to provide anything.
> But of course - you cannot provide the sources for you bible either - so the
> situation is moot.
Actually, in the Holy Spirit, Who is the Source of the Bible, rebuking
you is very meaningful.
> (SMILE BACK)
Bottom line concerning your smile:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cd3849dbc172b6d0?
> However - YOU are the one mixing up belief with reality.
Not for the discerning because they know and understand that GOD is
the Author of all reality.
May we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile), continue to
keep WDJW in mind by rebuking you at each GOD-given opportunity as GOD
desires:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/31c3b88286afc5bd?
<><
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
Roger Pearse
Lie noted. If it were so, you'd have no difficulty producing them
here. Smile.
All the best,
Roger Pearse
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> >
>
> Lie noted. If it were so, you'd have no difficulty producing them
> here.
Indeed:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/91d6a0ca93e8ba6a?
May you and other dear friends have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year
since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah, the Son of
Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f43db72a7c5c1da0?
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?
Thom Madura
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:a33bd1fa-83de-48f0...@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> >
> > I provided the books and the authors -
>
> Actually, you have no power to provide anything.
>
> > But of course - you cannot provide the sources for you bible either - so
the
> > situation is moot.
>
> Actually, in the Holy Spirit, Who is the Source of the Bible, rebuking
> you is very meaningful.
THat would only mean something if there WAS a Holey Ghost - - which is a
belief of your wacky religion.
AND you are still the one mixing up BELIEF with reality.
I do not accept YOU as the mouth of your god (NO one would - even him)- let
him appear and speak directly to me.
After all - you claim he rose bodily into heaven - so I should be able to
see his body - and You also claim he is everywhere - so he can't use
distance as an excuse - and you claim he can do everything - so there is
nothing he can say will get in the way.
Thom Madura
> friend Roger Pearse wrote:
> > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> > >
> > > I provided the books and the authors -
> >
> > Lie noted. If it were so, you'd have no difficulty producing them
> > here.
>
> Indeed:
And if your gods were real - you would have nor problem producing them
either.
So noted that they are a lie too.
Thom Madura
And if your gods were real - you would have no problem producing them too.
SO they are a noted lie as well.
SMILE.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> > >
> > > I provided the books and the authors -
> >
> > Actually, you have no power to provide anything.
> >
> > > But of course - you cannot provide the sources for you bible either - so
> the
> > > situation is moot.
> >
> > Actually, in the Holy Spirit, Who is the Source of the Bible, rebuking
> > you is very meaningful.
>
> THat would only mean something if there WAS a Holey Ghost - - which is a
> belief of your wacky religion.
Christianity is not a religion but rather a relationship with the
risen LORD Jesus Christ.
Bottom line concerning your sockpuppet not being able to write
truthfully:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c5c55fcace06864?
May we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile), continue to
be mindful of WDJW by rebuking you at each GOD-given opportunity as
GOD desires:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/31c3b88286afc5bd?
<><
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f43db72a7c5c1da0?
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?
Thom Madura
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> > > >
> > > > I provided the books and the authors -
> > >
> > > Actually, you have no power to provide anything.
> > >
> > > > But of course - you cannot provide the sources for you bible
either - so
> > the
> > > > situation is moot.
> > >
> > > Actually, in the Holy Spirit, Who is the Source of the Bible, rebuking
> > > you is very meaningful.
> >
> > THat would only mean something if there WAS a Holey Ghost - - which is a
> > belief of your wacky religion.
>
> Christianity is not a religion but rather a relationship with the
> risen LORD Jesus Christ.
Which is even more nonsense
If the risen christ the lord was real - you would have not problem producing
him too.
After all - he rose with a body!
And he would speak for himself too.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> > > > >
> > > > > I provided the books and the authors -
> > > >
> > > > Actually, you have no power to provide anything.
> > > >
> > > > > But of course - you cannot provide the sources for you bible
> either - so
> > > the
> > > > > situation is moot.
> > > >
> > > > Actually, in the Holy Spirit, Who is the Source of the Bible, rebuking
> > > > you is very meaningful.
> > >
> > > THat would only mean something if there WAS a Holey Ghost - - which is a
> > > belief of your wacky religion.
> >
> > Christianity is not a religion but rather a relationship with the
> > risen LORD Jesus Christ.
>
> Which is even more nonsense
Not for the discerning because they know the truth, Who is LORD Jesus
Christ.
> If the risen christ the lord was real - you would have not problem producing
> him too.
There is no need for Yeshua to appear while your presence as His arch-
enemy is obvious to even the most casual reader of this thread.
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
you to unwittingly supply the proof of the reality He has authored.
Laus Deo ! ! !
May we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile), continue to
be mindful of WDJW by rebuking you at each GOD-given opportunity as
GOD desires:
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
Thom Madura
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > > > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I provided the books and the authors -
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually, you have no power to provide anything.
> > > > >
> > > > > > But of course - you cannot provide the sources for you bible
> > either - so
> > > > the
> > > > > > situation is moot.
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually, in the Holy Spirit, Who is the Source of the Bible,
rebuking
> > > > > you is very meaningful.
> > > >
> > > > THat would only mean something if there WAS a Holey Ghost - - which
is a
> > > > belief of your wacky religion.
> > >
> > > Christianity is not a religion but rather a relationship with the
> > > risen LORD Jesus Christ.
> >
> > Which is even more nonsense
>
producing
> > him too.
>
> There is no need for Yeshua to appear while your presence as His arch-
> enemy is obvious to even the most casual reader of this thread.
ROFL
Just more typical religious nonsense.
If your god is allmighty - he has no enemies capable of causing him
problems.
However - the first thing you hear from a theist is what their almighty god
is scared of or cannot do.
And you are doing that same thing too.
But your god is not almighty - or anything else - but a phigment of your
imagination - and does not exist = which is obvious to all the readers of
this thread.
And he can't appear - even to those willing to believe if he does - because
he is not real.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
"Written laughter is silent despair." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His drawing you
out for continued rebuking.
May we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile), continue to
be mindful of WDJW by rebuking you at each GOD-given opportunity as
GOD desires:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/31c3b88286afc5bd?
Thom Madura
Incorrect
The discerning know that there is no holy ghost to have said that.
But even I am doubled over laughing that your super dooper all mighty
monster god is scard of poor little old me. So much so that he is hiding
from EVERYONE in the entire world lest he run into me.
Sure !!!!
BOO !
Roger Pearse
Poor little Tommy... has to foul himself rather than answer.
<chuckle>
Thom Madura
Otherwise they are just as much lies as the rest of your religion.
Poor Roger - believes in lies
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Amen.
> Incorrect
Bottom line concerning the likelihood of your being correct:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c5c55fcace06864?
Thom Madura
I am correct- and YOU know it.
AS Roger said - and you agreed - if they were not lies = you would have no
problem producing them.
And you cannot.
I take note that even you consider 99.99% of all gods to be false - except
your three. THe likelyhood that I am right is 100%. You will come up with
excuse after excuse - but in the end - you will never be able to produce
your gods.
Why is it the first things theists tell us about their almighty gods is what
they cannot do.
We know gods are not almighty - they never appear!
Imagine - your all powerful almighty god - afraid of ME! So afraid that he
won't show his face.
You must have modeled him after yourself!
.. Tbc
"Thom Madura" <tomm...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:48bd2727$0$29514$607e...@cv.net...
Easy enough, just come to my house and I will introduce to God.
Take about three minutes,
Tbc
Thom Madura
".. Tbc" <pra...@foot-of-cross27hghj2.com> wrote in message
news:66429$48bd27e7$d066ed82$24...@FUSE.NET...
Your god is suppsoed to be everywhere - I need not move a muscle
But it's OK - post a provable address and a real name - I'll allert the
media.
You need not worry about posting your names and address - your god will
protect you!
monkfish
You misunderstood God.
God is not going to force anyone to believe in Him.
Would you like to commit yourself to find God?
--
monkfish
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