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Today's topics:

* MySpace in China - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.arts.poetry.comments/t/705df262315655cd?hl=en
* Kevin Prufer, acclaimed poet, at Carson McCullers Center Friday - 1 messages,
1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.arts.poetry.comments/t/d21de70d5eafd9eb?hl=en
* Truck Stop Woman: the video (made by Michael Lindberg of Sweden) - 6
messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.arts.poetry.comments/t/f388c433dadecc1e?hl=en
* Some WalkaboutsVerse, etc. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.arts.poetry.comments/t/9761691a391dd328?hl=en
* Poetry - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.arts.poetry.comments/t/5514f797d15f351c?hl=en
* POETRY SUPER HIGHWAY gobble (that's "poetry" in Turkey) - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.arts.poetry.comments/t/d382ba06cf954d8f?hl=en
* if the shoe fits (lyric)-read it first-then listen-poetry or not? - 4
messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.arts.poetry.comments/t/d2b0a73b0dbd1337?hl=en
* Poutine - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.arts.poetry.comments/t/325d0963189f5b53?hl=en
* A Scroll / George Dance - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.arts.poetry.comments/t/bdfdadab3cae2efb?hl=en

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TOPIC: MySpace in China
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.arts.poetry.comments/t/705df262315655cd?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 20 2009 5:36 pm
From: Will Dockery


On Nov 20, 5:16 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> writes unspeakable shit.
>
> --
> PJR :-)

Given your example below, PJR, as DMH would write...

> Cerberus never sleeps
>
>    /subridet Cerberus/
>
> between his teeth are heroes' sinews
> and in his midden whole fingers
>
>    /irridet Cerberus/
>
> I recognise a

<snipped PJR junk-poem>

"We know." -Dennis M. Hammes, Litt. D.

--
"Red Lipped Stranger & other stories" by Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery




== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 8:21 am
From: the messenjah


On Nov 18, 4:03 pm, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> China has a seperate MySpace going (interesting article on Wikipedia,
> btw) and the Chinese are pretty picky about what info goes in or out
> of the country. I found a way to invite & meet Chines folks, though.
> You go directly to the individual page and "add friend" there... I've
> befriended maybe a dozen folks there, so far (one excellent folk
> rocker, who I blogged on!). Go to the very back of my friends list
> (the last page) and you can catch a few there, nice folks. Now, about
> commenting on their pages, again, you have to actually go to their
> page and post the comment from there! And don't attach anything, I
> found out, just a simple "Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name,
> oh yeah." kind of thing...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_People's_Repu...
>
> Another curious detail I would like to know more about, is that when I
> post on Chinese MySpace, my profile photo from six months ago appears
> there! Strange days indeed, most peculiar...

I like the Lennon reference... I'd love to go to China... Meat City...

http://www.myspace.com/chucklysaght
>
> Posted by Will Dockery on November 18, 2009 - Wednesday - 3:59 PM
>
> --
> "Red Lipped Stranger & other stories" by Will Dockery:http://www.myspace.com/willdockery





== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 9:20 am
From: Will Dockery


On Nov 21, 11:21 am, the messenjah <theguyontheb...@veryfast.biz>
wrote:
> On Nov 18, 4:03 pm, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > China has a seperate MySpace going (interesting article on Wikipedia,
> > btw) and the Chinese are pretty picky about what info goes in or out
> > of the country. I found a way to invite & meet Chines folks, though.
> > You go directly to the individual page and "add friend" there... I've
> > befriended maybe a dozen folks there, so far (one excellent folk
> > rocker, who I blogged on!). Go to the very back of my friends list
> > (the last page) and you can catch a few there, nice folks. Now, about
> > commenting on their pages, again, you have to actually go to their
> > page and post the comment from there! And don't attach anything, I
> > found out, just a simple "Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name,
> > oh yeah." kind of thing...
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_People's_Repu...
>
> > Another curious detail I would like to know more about, is that when I
> > post on Chinese MySpace, my profile photo from six months ago appears
> > there! Strange days indeed, most peculiar...
>
> I like the Lennon reference... I'd love to go to China... Meat City...

I'd like a complete tour of Asia, and the folks there sure seem to dig
my sound... hey, check out the Truck Stop Woman video, put together
for my audience in Sweden by Michael Lindberg:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvtQEf7bnfs

> http://www.myspace.com/chucklysaght
>
> > Posted by Will Dockery on November 18, 2009 - Wednesday - 3:59 PM
>
> > --
> > "Red Lipped Stranger & other stories" by Will Dockery:

http://www.myspace.com/willdockery





== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 11:14 pm
From: "Orson Wells as CitizenCain"



"the messenjah" <theguyo...@veryfast.biz> wrote in message
news:1f17f5e6-1473-480e...@z7g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...

> Strange, most peculiar...
http://www.myspace.com/chucklysaght



[ insert Chuck spam here ]







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TOPIC: Kevin Prufer, acclaimed poet, at Carson McCullers Center Friday
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.arts.poetry.comments/t/d21de70d5eafd9eb?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 1:39 am
From: Will Dockery


On Nov 20, 12:34 pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Nov 9, 4:56 pm, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Nov 9, 4:46 pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > > On Nov 9, 12:04 pm, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > > > From Ron Self, local leader of Georgia Poetry Society:
>
> > > > Poets and Poetry Fans:
> > > >     I thought you might be interested in this forwarded message from
> > > > Cathy Fussell, Director of the Carson McCullers Center about poetry
> > > > events coming up this Friday.
> > > > Ron Self
>
> > > > From: Cathy Fussell
> > > > Sent: 11/9/2009 10:49:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time
> > > > Subj: Poetry this Friday
>
> > > > CSU's Carson McCullers Center is proud to present acclaimed poet KEVIN
> > > > PRUFER in two events scheduled for this coming Friday, November 13,
> > > > 2009.  First, at 4:00 PM in the afternoon, Mr. Prufer will lead an
> > > > informal discussion of his work at the McCullers House, 1519 Stark
> > > > Avenue in Columbus.  Then, in the evening, at 7:30 PM, Mr. Prufer will
> > > > give a formal reading of his work, at International House on CSU's
> > > > main campus.
>
> > > > The public is cordially invited to these free events, sponsored by the
> > > > Carson McCullers Center and the Georgia Poetry Circuit.
>
> > > > --
> > > > Cathy Fussell, Director
> > > > CSU's Carson McCullers Center for Writers and Musicians
> > > > 1519 Stark Avenue
> > > > Columbus, GA  31906http://www.mccullerscenter.org
>
> > > > --
> > > > "Red Lipped Stranger & other stories" by Will Dockery:http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
>
> > > I'd never heard of him, so I googled. I enjoyed his "Death Comes in
> > > the Form of a Pontiac Trans Am":
>
> > > When I have fears that I may cease to be,
> > > I think of death that revs and growls, backfires,
> > > stops for none, is cherry red and sleek,
> > > eats Honda Civics, coughs, and spits out wires.
>
> > > [...] read the rest at
>
> > >http://www.poetrymagazine.com/archives/2001/October01/prufer.htm
>
> > > (You'll have to scroll down for the poem.)
>
> > Yes, from what I've read of him he seems interesting, it'll be good to
> > have a chance to meet him... sometimes these guys turn out to be
> > cooler than expected and want to see the weirdness of the area,
> > sometimes not. Seaborn Jones was my last poet meeting, but I knew he
> > was a live-wire before we teamed up, as he also knew about me.
>
> So how did that go? Did you get to talk with Prufer?

No, unfortunately I had so much going on Friday I missed the event
completely...

> --
> > "Red Lipped Stranger & other stories" by Will Dockery:http://www.myspace.com/willdockery






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TOPIC: Truck Stop Woman: the video (made by Michael Lindberg of Sweden)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.arts.poetry.comments/t/f388c433dadecc1e?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 1:42 am
From: Will Dockery


My pal Michael Lindberg of Sweden put together a nice video
interpretation of "Truck Stop Woman", which seems to be well-liked
over in Europe right now...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvtQEf7bnfs

> > Actually I feel I must come to the defense of Will. He's a decent dude
> > who never started any trouble with anyone in this newsgroup.
>
> > He's always been polite to his critics. Even when Gary Gamble made fun
> > of the death of a woman that Will loved.
>
> And the film from the last days of that era will soon be brought to
> light.
>
> Here are some of the stills from the 1996 Shadowville All-Stars
> film... including footage of the late Rick Howe, who Rick Edwards &
> Henry Conley both knew. He used to be a part of the downtown open mic
> scene of 1995-97, when The Loft, Human Experience Theatre, Bizarre
> Earth & The Brewery (a coffeeshop next door to where Fountain City is
> now) were the only places in downtown Shadowville, & we did fine. Sure
> could have used that Loft balcony, though... which was over a decade
> away:
>
> http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture...
>
> Stay tuned...
>
> --
> "Red Lipped Stranger & other stories" by Will Dockery:http://www.myspace.com/willdockery>http://www.myspace.com/chucklysaght





== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 1:08 pm
From: "Critic Al"


What does "In corporation with Will Dockery mean"? Are you a corporation?


"Will Dockery" <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9524218a-480b-40e9...@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> My pal Michael Lindberg of Sweden put together a nice video
> interpretation of "Truck Stop Woman", which seems to be well-liked
> over in Europe right now...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvtQEf7bnfs
>
>> > Actually I feel I must come to the defense of Will. He's a decent dude
>> > who never started any trouble with anyone in this newsgroup.
>>
>> > He's always been polite to his critics. Even when Gary Gamble made fun
>> > of the death of a woman that Will loved.
>>
>> And the film from the last days of that era will soon be brought to
>> light.
>>
>> Here are some of the stills from the 1996 Shadowville All-Stars
>> film... including footage of the late Rick Howe, who Rick Edwards &
>> Henry Conley both knew. He used to be a part of the downtown open mic
>> scene of 1995-97, when The Loft, Human Experience Theatre, Bizarre
>> Earth & The Brewery (a coffeeshop next door to where Fountain City is
>> now) were the only places in downtown Shadowville, & we did fine. Sure
>> could have used that Loft balcony, though... which was over a decade
>> away:
>>
>> http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture...
>>
>> Stay tuned...
>>
>> --
>> "Red Lipped Stranger & other stories" by Will
>> Dockery:http://www.myspace.com/willdockery>http://www.myspace.com/chucklysaght
>






== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 2:37 pm
From: "=z="


On Nov 21, 4:42 am, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My pal Michael Lindberg of Sweden put together a nice video
> interpretation of "Truck Stop Woman", which seems to be well-liked
> over in Europe right now...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvtQEf7bnfs
>
>
>
> > > Actually I feel I must come to the defense of Will. He's a decent dude
> > > who never started any trouble with anyone in this newsgroup.
>
> > > He's always been polite to his critics. Even when Gary Gamble made fun
> > > of the death of a woman that Will loved.
>
> > And the film from the last days of that era will soon be brought to
> > light.
>
> > Here are some of the stills from the 1996 Shadowville All-Stars
> > film... including footage of the late Rick Howe, who Rick Edwards &
> > Henry Conley both knew. He used to be a part of the downtown open mic
> > scene of 1995-97, when The Loft, Human Experience Theatre, Bizarre
> > Earth & The Brewery (a coffeeshop next door to where Fountain City is
> > now) were the only places in downtown Shadowville, & we did fine. Sure
> > could have used that Loft balcony, though... which was over a decade
> > away:
>
> >http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture...
>
> > Stay tuned...
>
> > --
> > "Red Lipped Stranger & other stories" by Will Dockery:http://www.myspace.com/willdockery>http://www.myspace.com/chucklysaght- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

!hey doc...michael did nice work on tsw...i enjoyed the video and the
song (once again)...maybe he can do something with one of mine
eh?...how about that beatles "on record" gig the history channel has
coming up this wed?...looks like some unseen studio video going
on...should be interesting to watch…anyway, nice job by michael on
your music…even though you guys are a corperatchine...damn!...i never
could spell Worcestershire...
=z=

http://www.soundclick.com/shaunhull




== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 3:22 pm
From: BLACKPOOLJIMMY


On Nov 21, 4:42�am, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My pal Michael Lindberg of Sweden put together a nice video
> interpretation of "Truck Stop Woman", which seems to be well-liked
> over in Europe right now...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvtQEf7bnfs
>
>
>
> > >

Good stuff from your friend Michael.

By coincidence, my videoographer is also in Sweden. Name is Ken
Nichols..moved from England and runs a James Honeyman Scott tribute
page on MySpace.

He did this video for my song "Quiert The Music" a song for JHS
tribute.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=60943592




== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 11:16 pm
From: "Orson Wells as CitizenCain"



"Will Dockery" <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9524218a-480b-40e9...@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> My pal Michael Lindberg of Sweden put together a nice video
> interpretation of "Truck Stop Woman", which seems to be well-liked
> over in Europe right now...
>

You're just TRYING to start an international incident, AREN'T YOU?

First China, now Europe! For fuck's sake stop it before we're invaded by the
Russians!






== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 11:17 pm
From: "Orson Wells as CitizenCain"



"Critic Al" <m...@home.now> wrote in message
news:4b0856c9$0$5361$9a56...@news.aliant.net...
> What does "In corporation with Will Dockery mean"? Are you a corporation?

Yea, haven't you ever heard of "Douchebags, Inc.?"







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TOPIC: Some WalkaboutsVerse, etc.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.arts.poetry.comments/t/9761691a391dd328?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 3:17 am
From: walkaboutsverse


Poem 184 of 230: THE QUICK CLUBBERS' TROT IN NEWCASTLE - AUTUMN 2001

Fridays, Saturdays,
Latish in the night,
Bringing a smile,
Making quite a sight
Down the steep-sloped Side,
High on their heels -
Bonny, blithe ladies,
Done with their meals
Or earlier clubs,
Seeking the next spot,
And risking it with
Their quick clubbers' trot.

From http://blogs.myspace.com/walkaboutsverse (e-book)
Or http://walkaboutsverse.sitegoz.com (e-scroll)
(C) David Franks 2003

On Nov 20, 11:20 am, walkaboutsverse <david1fra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Poem 37 of 230: RODEO DRIVE
>
> On visiting Los Angeles,
>     I thought I’d walk Rodeo Drive.
> I’d passed a few up-market shops
>     When an hombre said, “Take one please.”
>
> ‘Twas info. on exploitation,
>     Which I read that night in my room.
> It mentioned of the unfair gap -
>     Sweatshop-wages to profit-on.
>
> I left him to visit the john,
>     Which was all clad in marble stone.
> Then I walked past more fortune gowns
>     To lunch: four bucks - fair profit-on.
>
> Fromhttp://blogs.myspace.com/walkaboutsverse(e-book)
> Orhttp://walkaboutsverse.sitegoz.com(e-scroll)
> (C) David Franks 2003
>
> On Nov 19, 10:51 am, walkaboutsverse <david1fra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Poem 36 of 230: WALKABOUT MEXICO
>
> > In late December,
> >     1996,
> > I can remember
> >     Being in a fix -
> > For time and pesos -
> >     And, thus, unable
> > To see Mexico’s
> >     Sights commendable.
>
> > So, in Tijuana,
> >     I enjoyed the show
> > At a miniature
> >     Rep. of Mexico.
>
> > Fromhttp://blogs.myspace.com/walkaboutsverse(e-book)
> > Orhttp://walkaboutsverse.sitegoz.com(e-scroll)
> > (C) David Franks 2003
>
> > On Nov 18, 10:30 am, walkaboutsverse <david1fra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Despite such beautiful scenery, if I was to visit Ireland these days,
> > > I'd be more keen on a folk-club than a golf-club...
>
> > > Poem 12 of 230: GOLF AT KILLARNEY
>
> > > At Killarney Golf and Fishing Club,
> > >     There's two great courses to be found;
> > > Built on Ireland's fine Ring of Kerry,
> > >     Both are really worth a round.
>
> > > From the local social Youth Hostel,
> > >     I hitched (doing as Irish do);
> > > Then paid to play both the courses,
> > >     But missed five holes - Hostel curfew.
>
> > > The fairways were lush and nicely groomed,
> > >     And the course views the best I've seen;
> > > With walks beside the lakes and mountains,
> > >     I'm proud to say to there I've been.
>
> > > Fromhttp://blogs.myspace.com/walkaboutsverse(e-book)
> > > Orhttp://walkaboutsverse.sitegoz.com(e-scroll)
> > > (C) David Franks 2003
> > > On Nov 17, 9:34 am, walkaboutsverse <david1fra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In North East England...
>
> > > > Poem 197 of 230: HISTORIC HEXHAM – AUTUMN 2002
>
> > > > All hay was made,
> > > >     And the sun stayed,
> > > > The autumn day
> > > >     I made my way,
> > > > Via Heddon,
> > > >     To old Hexham,
> > > > Where I did see:
> > > >     The fine abbey,
> > > > The ex-gaol
> > > >     By the moot-hall,
> > > > Plus, holding sports
> > > >     Of varied sorts,
> > > > The Tynedale
> > > >     And the Seal.
>
> > > > Fromhttp://blogs.myspace.com/walkaboutsverse(e-book)
> > > > Orhttp://walkaboutsverse.sitegoz.com(e-scroll)
> > > > (C) David Franks 2003
>
> > > > On Nov 16, 10:09 am, walkaboutsverse <david1fra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > This was in 1988...
>
> > > > > Poem cum song 10 of 230: LAND’S END TO JOHN O’ GROATS
>
> > > > > (TUNE:
>
> > > > > D G A A B B A A
> > > > > D A B B A A G G
> > > > > D B B B A A G G
> > > > > D A B A B A G G)
>
> > > > > At the bold age of twenty-one
> > > > >     (Via Hong Kong, China, Macau),
> > > > > I flew from Sydney to London -
> > > > >     Land’s End to John o’ Groats my vow.
>
> > > > > I took a train out of London,
> > > > >     Found a highway and thumbed a ride;
> > > > > I headed down toward Brighton,
> > > > >     Then hitch-hiked roads the coast beside.
>
> > > > > On the face of my shoulder bag,
> > > > > A sketched map of Aus. was my tag;
> > > > > For said a Scot who’d hitched Europe:
> > > > > “Some emblem may well boost your hope.”
>
> > > > > And drivers throughout the island,
> > > > > Over a two month riding span,
> > > > > Were the kindest folks I have met -
> > > > > I swear not once did I get wet!
>
> > > > > I stopped overnight in Portsmouth,
> > > > >     And one or two nights in Torquay;
> > > > > Then headed along to Plymouth -
> > > > >     Still travelling beside the sea.
>
> > > > > After viewing rugged Land’s End,
> > > > >     I began the long journey north -
> > > > > North-east, rather, before a bend,
> > > > >     Somewhere in a bit from Bournemouth.
>
> > > > > On the way, I saw relatives,
> > > > > Whom after leaving I did miss -
> > > > > Their homes’ cosy atmosphere,
> > > > > And their local pubs’ good cheer.
>
> > > > > And the hitched-lifts came from many:
> > > > > An off-work Bobbie, a truckie,
> > > > > As well as on-duty soldiers -
> > > > > Thanks, and I’ve not said where each was!
>
> > > > > I headed west through South Wales,
> > > > >     And viewed Cardiff Arms from afar -
> > > > > I was hitching with local males,
> > > > >     And they showed me from in the car.
>
> > > > > I stayed a while at Swansea -
> > > > >     Saw the local footballers play;
> > > > > Then hitched north through Llandovery -
> > > > >     Beautiful farmland, I must say.
>
> > > > > I slept mostly in B. & B’s,
> > > > > Where the full breakfasts sure did please;
> > > > > But also stopped in Youth Hostels,
> > > > > Where it’s the comradeship that tells.
>
> > > > > My favourite sites were Torquay,
> > > > > Old St. Andrews (noted shortly),
> > > > > The road Glasgow-to-Inverness,
> > > > > The Lakes, plus London’s spots, no less.
>
> > > > > From Colwyn Bay, I headed east
> > > > >     To Manchester, my place of birth;
> > > > > Then on the Lakes my eyes did feast,
> > > > >     Before I passed by Solway Firth.
>
> > > > > Onto Edinburgh, Glasgow,
> > > > >     St. Andrews, before Inverness;
> > > > > Then waves from locals were the go -
> > > > >     Warm folks round John o’ Groats, I’d guess.
>
> > > > > Fromhttp://blogs.myspace.com/walkaboutsverse(e-book)
> > > > > Orhttp://walkaboutsverse.sitegoz.com(e-scroll)
> > > > > (C) David Franks 2003
>
> > > > > On Nov 15, 10:18 am, walkaboutsverse <david1fra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > After a stormy Saturday here in England, it's much calmer in Newcastle
> > > > > > upon Tyne today...
>
> > > > > > Poem 179 of 230: A GLASSY TYNE - AUTUMN 2001
>
> > > > > > Near glassy-classical new Law Courts,
> > > > > >     From the snazzy Millennium Footbridge,
> > > > > > Reflecting fine bridges of other sorts -
> > > > > >     A glassy Tyne's snazzy sunset image.
>
> > > > > > Fromhttp://blogs.myspace.com/walkaboutsverse(e-book)
> > > > > > Orhttp://walkaboutsverse.sitegoz.com(e-scroll)
> > > > > > (C) David Franks 2003
>
> > > > > > On Nov 14, 12:13 pm, walkaboutsverse <david1fra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Hardly seaside weather today in England, but...
>
> > > > > > > Poem 120 of 230:  A GOOD SEASIDE DAY - AUTUMN 2000
>
> > > > > > > Via the art gallery,
> > > > > > >     Blackpool how it used to be;
> > > > > > > Via a famous tower,
> > > > > > >     The Blackpool of the hour.
> > > > > > > Via a maritime Mount,
> > > > > > >     Fleetwood with its channel out.
> > > > > > > And, via a coastline tram,
> > > > > > >     The autumn-night lit-art jam.
>
> > > > > > > Fromhttp://blogs.myspace.com/walkaboutsverse(e-book)
> > > > > > > Orhttp://walkaboutsverse.sitegoz.com(e-scroll)
> > > > > > > (C) David Franks 2003
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 13, 10:10 am, walkaboutsverse <david1fra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > It's called Mumbai now, of course, but not when I was there...
>
> > > > > > > > Poem 21 of 230: BOMBAY PORTER
>
> > > > > > > > Awaiting a train in Bombay,
> > > > > > > >     I was shocked into dismay;
> > > > > > > > For a well-dressed man, built strongly,
> > > > > > > >     Was walking, his hands set free,
> > > > > > > > Ahead of a bony porter -
> > > > > > > >     Heavy case on head, no quarter.
>
> > > > > > > > Shortly later, I watched again
> > > > > > > >     As out from the rich-man’s train
> > > > > > > > Came the scrawny struggling porter -
> > > > > > > >     His thin back now much tauter;
> > > > > > > > For he writhed as he stretched his loins -
> > > > > > > >     After a quick count of few coins.
>
> > > > > > > > Fromhttp://blogs.myspace.com/walkaboutsverse(e-book)
> > > > > > > > Orhttp://walkaboutsverse.sitegoz.com(e-scroll)
> > > > > > > > (C) David Franks 2003
>
> > > > > > > > On Nov 12, 10:31 am, walkaboutsverse <david1fra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > Poem 114 of 230: CLITHEROE CASTLE'S VIEWS - SUMMER 2000
>
> > > > > > > > > From outside metres-thick wall
> > > > > > > > >     (Down on leafy grounds grown tall,
> > > > > > > > > Then across stony households
> > > > > > > > >     To lush-green sheep-grazing folds,
> > > > > > > > > And up further to the moor),
> > > > > > > > >     Clitheroe Castle's views soar.
>
> > > > > > > > > Fromhttp://blogs.myspace.com/walkaboutsverse(e-book)
> > > > > > > > > Orhttp://walkaboutsverse.sitegoz.com(e-scroll)
> > > > > > > > > (C) David Franks 2003
>
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 11, 9:32 am, walkaboutsverse <david1fra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Poem 84 of 230: NATIONALISM WITHOUT CONQUEST
>
> > > > > > > > > > Everything in moderation..?
> > > > > > > > > >     Well, with "nationalism" it's true:
> > > > > > > > > > It can carry unique cultures on
> > > > > > > > > >     But, overdosed, cause their conquest, too.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Fromhttp://blogs.myspace.com/walkaboutsverse(e-book)
> > > > > > > > > > Orhttp://walkaboutsverse.sitegoz.com(e-scroll)
> > > > > > > > > > (C) David Franks 2003
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 10, 9:34 am, walkaboutsverse <david1fra...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On the news here in England, last night, a record lottery win was
> > > > > > > > > > > announced and celebrated:  I agree with Oliver Cromwell and modern-day
> > > > > > > > > > > Taiwan - gambling should be ILLEGAL...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Poem 138 of 230:  AN OPIUM
>
> > > > > > > > > > > National Lottery passes -
> > > > > > > > > > >     Slight chances to be richer,
> > > > > > > > > > >     With lots more than thy neighbour,
> > > > > > > > > > >     Gained without any labour -
> > > > > > > > > > >     Keep the system in favour:
> > > > > > > > > > > An opium of the masses.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Fromhttp://blogs.myspace.com/walkaboutsverse(e-book)
> > > > > > > > > > > Orhttp://walkaboutsverse.sitegoz.com(e-scroll)
> > > > > > > > > > > (C) David Franks 2003
>
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 7:13 am
From: beloved49


Friday, November 20, 2009
Sweet Dreams My Love

Can a man bare his soul
even if it meets not rhyme nor reason
Can he love, though it cost him all
Can one man love with a love dared not spoken
And in the end find true peace.




== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 6:11 pm
From: "=z="


On Nov 21, 10:13 am, beloved49 <belove...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Friday, November 20, 2009
> Sweet Dreams My Love
>
> Can a man bare his soul
> even if it meets not rhyme nor reason
> Can he love, though it cost him all
> Can one man love with a love dared not spoken
> And in the end find true peace.

yes

can a women bare her soul
even if it meets not rhyme nor reason
can she love, though it cost her all
can one woman love with a love dared, not spoken...
"and in the end...the love we take
is equal to the love...we make"




== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 8:28 pm
From: George Dance


On Nov 21, 10:13 am, beloved49 <belove...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Friday, November 20, 2009
> Sweet Dreams My Love
>
> Can a man bare his soul
> even if it meets not rhyme nor reason
> Can he love, though it cost him all
> Can one man love with a love dared not spoken
> And in the end find true peace.

Can a man bare his soul
even if it meets not rhyme nor reason
Can he love, though it cost him all
Can one man love with a love dared not spoken
And in the end find true peace.



I'd argue that, if it is poetry, it isn't very good poetry. Why?
Because you haven't worked at it. You have some good
phrases and images in there, but the problem is that they're not your
phrases and images. You've just grabbed onto some that have been used
over and over again.

A phrase that's been used over and over again is called a 'cliche.'
For most people a cliche is something that they've heard so many times
that it means nothing to them. If it's a metaphor like "bare his
soul," it's a dead metaphor; a reader doesn't imagine a person
becoming naked (like someone reading, say, "strip down to the soul"
might, though that's not much better) -- he won't imagine, won't
visualize, anything. So he won't get anything out of the phrase.

A good poem has to give a reader something unique -- something they
wouldn't get anywhere else -- which is a good reason to be wary of
cliches. I won't tell you never to use one: sometimes a cliche can be
used to good effect (usually, though, to humorous effect). However,
you should always be aware of when you're using a cliche, and on no
account should you ever offer a reader nothing but cliches. (Even if
you're using a good literary device -- which a cliche isn't) -- you
shouldn't offer a poem that's only that one trick and nothing more.)

So: How do you tell if some phrase is a cliche? Use google; its search
engine (or any search engine, FTM) makes an excellent Cliche Meter. A
search engine will tell you how many times a phrase is used on the
web, which will give you an idea how many times it's used in normal
conversation.

Searching google, I found:
about 1,250,000 results for "bare his soul"
about 2,390,000 for "rhyme nor reason"
about 3,310,000 for "though it cost him all"
about 2,490,000 for "cost him all"
about 113,000 for "love dared not" + speak OR spoken
about 233,000,000 for "and in the end"
about 234,000 for "find true peace"

A good rule of thumb: if a phrase has been used more than 10,000
times, it's getting into cliche territory. If it's been used more than
100,000, it's solidly there.

A few imaginative or empathetic readers may still 'get' your poem
anyway; by using their own imaginations to fill in all the details you
failed to give them to imagine a situation -- a Romeo and Juliet type
of romance? a homosexual union? -- with which they can identify. But
if any do, that's no credit to you: those readers will have done all
of your work for you.

I'd say: go back and rewrite. Imagine a man (or a woman) forced by
circumstances to ask him- or herself those questions: and write a poem
about him (or her).






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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 3:43 pm
From: Rick Lupert


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THE POETRY SUPER HIGHWAY WEEKLY VIRTUAL UPDATE
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Issue # 633 - ISSN: 1523-6587

November 23-29, 2009

this week:

~ This week featuring poets from OAKLAND, CA and LAKE CITY, AR

~ 3 new poetry and writing related link added this week.

~ THE SOMETIMES GIRL by LISA ZARAN featured this week in the Poets of
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CASSANDRA DALLETT and TERRY MICHAEL RILEY

CASSANDRA DALLETT (Oakland, California) is currently unemployed, a
sometime student, and a full time mama. When not cooking for an army
she writes poetry and short stories of memoir. Cassandra has
published in Cherry Bleeds, Street Spirit, Opium Poetry2.0, Gutter
Eloquence, Ascent Aspirations, Criminal Class Review, The Milvia
Street Journal, and The Beat Museum of San Francisco.

TERRY MICHAEL RILEY (Lake City, Arkansas) has been writing poetry for
three years. His poems have appeared on the Internet and in
Storyteller Magazine.lives in Terre Haute, Indiana.


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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 3:57 pm
From: "=z="


if the shoe fits...

what's the matter my love
why such a sad face
you left your shoes out in the rain
barefoot in the wrong place
stand amid the broken glass
step softly where you go
you wouldn't want to cut yourself
but that's a thing only you would know, yea

come back inside my love
a storm might blow you away
you've sure been one hell of a ride and I
never knew quite what to say
whatever happened to your innocence
you misplaced it long ago
and never care about the consequence
passed out on your patio

it's a shame your heads a mess
and your souls been so abused
the quiet times are still loud as hell
and your life here so misused
looks like you made a wrong turn
somewhere along the line
a pipers tune led you away
and you missed that one way sign

don't try to run away
too many thorns are in that road
and did you have your pills today
to help you with that heavy load
well it's a drag you've had such pain
no one around you seems to care
they've all seen just what you got
and that can be had anywhere

you laugh and think that you're so cute
when in fact no one's amused
you can't recall what you did last night
and just stand there so confused
your mother's screaming on the phone
about something that you missed
you never will quite understand
it's no wonder you're so pissed

go back to sleep my love
let the dreams take you away
I guess you do what you have to do and
tomorrow's just another day

just remember that when you wake
and everything is still the same
you may change the way you look
but you can never, change your name
you will never, change your name

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=2290948




== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 4:07 pm
From: BLACKPOOLJIMMY


On Nov 21, 6:57�pm, "=z=" <shull...@gmail.com> wrote:
> if the shoe fits...
>
> what's the matter my love
> why such a sad face
> you left your shoes out in the rain
> barefoot in the wrong place
> stand amid the broken glass
> step softly where you go
> you wouldn't want to cut yourself
> but that's a thing only you would know, yea
>
> come back inside my love
> a storm might blow you away
> you've sure been one hell of a ride and I
> never knew quite what to say
> whatever happened to your innocence
> you misplaced it long ago
> and never care about the consequence
> passed out on your patio
>
> it's a shame your heads a mess
> and your souls been so abused
> the quiet times are still loud as hell
> and your life here so misused
> looks like you made a wrong turn
> somewhere along the line
> a pipers tune led you away
> and you missed that one way sign
>
> don't try to run away
> too many thorns are in that road
> and did you have your pills today
> to help you with that heavy load
> well it's a drag you've had such pain
> no one around you seems to care
> they've all seen just what you got
> and that can be had anywhere
>
> you laugh and think that you're so cute
> when in fact no one's amused
> you can't recall what you did last night
> and just stand there so confused
> your mother's screaming on the phone
> about something that you missed
> you never will quite understand
> it's no wonder you're so pissed
>
> go back to sleep my love
> let the dreams take you away
> I guess you do what you have to do and
> tomorrow's just another day
>
> just remember that when you wake
> and everything is still the same
> you may change the way you look
> but you can never, change your name
> you will never, change your name
>
> http://soundclick.com/share?songid=2290948

Poetry.





== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 5:55 pm
From: BLACKPOOLJIMMY


On Nov 21, 7:07�pm, BLACKPOOLJIMMY <Chippandf...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Nov 21, 6:57 pm, "=z=" <shull...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > if the shoe fits...
>
> > what's the matter my love
> > why such a sad face
> > you left your shoes out in the rain
> > barefoot in the wrong place
> > stand amid the broken glass
> > step softly where you go
> > you wouldn't want to cut yourself
> > but that's a thing only you would know, yea
>
> > come back inside my love
> > a storm might blow you away
> > you've sure been one hell of a ride and I
> > never knew quite what to say
> > whatever happened to your innocence
> > you misplaced it long ago
> > and never care about the consequence
> > passed out on your patio
>
> > it's a shame your heads a mess
> > and your souls been so abused
> > the quiet times are still loud as hell
> > and your life here so misused
> > looks like you made a wrong turn
> > somewhere along the line
> > a pipers tune led you away
> > and you missed that one way sign
>
> > don't try to run away
> > too many thorns are in that road
> > and did you have your pills today
> > to help you with that heavy load
> > well it's a drag you've had such pain
> > no one around you seems to care
> > they've all seen just what you got
> > and that can be had anywhere
>
> > you laugh and think that you're so cute
> > when in fact no one's amused
> > you can't recall what you did last night
> > and just stand there so confused
> > your mother's screaming on the phone
> > about something that you missed
> > you never will quite understand
> > it's no wonder you're so pissed
>
> > go back to sleep my love
> > let the dreams take you away
> > I guess you do what you have to do and
> > tomorrow's just another day
>
> > just remember that when you wake
> > and everything is still the same
> > you may change the way you look
> > but you can never, change your name
> > you will never, change your name
>
> >http://soundclick.com/share?songid=2290948
>
> Poetry.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

...and cool song.




== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 10:34 pm
From: George Dance


On Nov 21, 6:57 pm, "=z=" <shull...@gmail.com> wrote:
> if the shoe fits...
>
> what's the matter my love
> why such a sad face
> you left your shoes out in the rain
> barefoot in the wrong place
> stand amid the broken glass
> step softly where you go
> you wouldn't want to cut yourself
> but that's a thing only you would know, yea
>
> come back inside my love
> a storm might blow you away
> you've sure been one hell of a ride and I
> never knew quite what to say
> whatever happened to your innocence
> you misplaced it long ago
> and never care about the consequence
> passed out on your patio
>
> it's a shame your heads a mess
> and your souls been so abused
> the quiet times are still loud as hell
> and your life here so misused
> looks like you made a wrong turn
> somewhere along the line
> a pipers tune led you away
> and you missed that one way sign
>
> don't try to run away
> too many thorns are in that road
> and did you have your pills today
> to help you with that heavy load
> well it's a drag you've had such pain
> no one around you seems to care
> they've all seen just what you got
> and that can be had anywhere
>
> you laugh and think that you're so cute
> when in fact no one's amused
> you can't recall what you did last night
> and just stand there so confused
> your mother's screaming on the phone
> about something that you missed
> you never will quite understand
> it's no wonder you're so pissed
>
> go back to sleep my love
> let the dreams take you away
> I guess you do what you have to do and
> tomorrow's just another day
>
> just remember that when you wake
> and everything is still the same
> you may change the way you look
> but you can never, change your name
> you will never, change your name
>
> http://soundclick.com/share?songid=2290948


Yes, I'd call it poetry. I'd call plenty of Dylan's lyrics poetry too,
though, which some would not. That's what this reminds me of: Dylan
circa the time of LaRS and P4St.

There's some telly parts -- "your (shd be youre) heads a mess / and
your souls been abused" -- but that's preceded by some vivid imagery
that puts the reader into the experience: She's outside in the rain,
barefoot, surrounded by broken glass. I got the idea from all that
that she's a binge drinker, the broken glass being a bottle or glass,
and that that (plus the pills) is how she gets through each day,
always coming back to the same thoughts.

I liked the ambiguity in some of the lines. For example:

> and never care about the consequence
> passed out on your patio

Is that "and never care about the consequence [that is] passed out on
your patio" (is her partner binging with her?) or "and never care
about the consequence [while you're] passed out on your patio"? In
that sense the lack of punctuation doesn't hurt, but helps. (I'm less
enthusiastic about the lack of apostrophes; consider putting them in.)

In that respect, the line I enjoyed best was the penultimate

> you may change the way you look

-- the last phrase meaning either, "the way you appear," or "the way
you look at things."

I didn't really understand the last line -- it's relatively easy for a
woman to change her name -- but I interpreted it as, "you can never
change who you really are" and it came across as OK that way. I don't
understand, though, why the commas after "never": I realize you pause
there in the song, but they do nothing in the written text but
distract, especially as they're the only punctuation.






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TOPIC: Poutine
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 8:14 pm
From: prettystuzz


In article
<4e49a0d2-c88d-4082...@m13g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,
George Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> > Maybe you're thinking about
> > so-called linking verbs and how they allow a sentence's putative
> > grammatical subject and predicate to be 'inverted' without any violence
> > done to meaning, e.g., 'Poutine is Canada's national food' and 'Canada's
> > national food is poutine'. Either never mind, or I'll wait.
> >
>
> (Some would say it's 'putain.) That's a good example, but it's not one
> I was thinking of.

Evidently I'm a plagiarist in fact though not in deed. This evening I
opened my current New Yorker to find that the Globe and Mail's Roy
MacGregor had written it's possible that "the national food of Canada is
now poutine", according to Calvin Trillin in Funny Food:

(the link is to the article's Abstract, but the MacGregor quote appears)

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/11/23/091123fa_fact_trillin

(at the New Yorker's website you can listen to Trillin read his article).




== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 9:40 pm
From: George Dance


On Nov 21, 11:14 pm, prettystuzz <leich...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> In article
> <4e49a0d2-c88d-4082-88af-921884f29...@m13g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,
>  George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > > Maybe you're thinking about
> > > so-called linking verbs and how they allow a sentence's putative
> > > grammatical subject and predicate to be 'inverted' without any violence
> > > done to meaning, e.g., 'PoutineisCanada'snationalfood' and 'Canada's
> > >nationalfoodispoutine'. Either never mind, or I'll wait.
>
> > (Some would say it's 'putain.) That's a good example, but it's not one
> > I was thinking of.
>
> Evidently I'm a plagiarist in fact though not in deed. This evening I
> opened my current New Yorker to find that the Globe and Mail's Roy
> MacGregor had written it's possible that "thenationalfoodofCanadais
> nowpoutine", according to Calvin Trillin in FunnyFood:
>
> (the link is to the article's Abstract, but the MacGregor quote appears)
>
> http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/11/23/091123fa_fact_trillin
>
> (at the New Yorker's website you can listen to Trillin read his article).

I wouldn't worry about plagiarizing either Trillin or MacGregor; the
phrase isn't original to either ot them. NBC was calling it that back
in July, and it was being suggested long before then. The first NY
print mention I found was:

Arguably the Canadian national food, poutine originated in Quebec
around the mid-20th century and is traditionally made with fries,
gravy and cheese curds.
By Shani R. Friedman, NewYork Press, Sep. 24,2008.


However, I found a mention on an American blog from six months
earlier.

I insisted on eating poutine while I was in Montreal for the jazz
festival last summer. I was in Quebec, and I was determined to eat the
national dish.
mslass, Serious Eats, May 6, 2008.

The earliest I could track down for a Canadian paper was:

If you visit Quebec for the 400th anniversary celebrations, don't
leave without enjoying the regional specialty that has become a
national comfort food: poutine.
Bonnie Stern, Weekend Post (no date, but obviously before July 2008).

And the earliest claim I found, period, was from Feb.5, 2006, by
"bcory," on the blog Roadfood.com:
Poutine is our national food

http://www.roadfood.com/Forums/Poutineanyone-else-like-it-m122068-p2.aspx

Though it was suggested here on usenet as far back as July, 1999:

it's like asking if canada has
a national food item.....the US is known for it's fast food..burgers
and fries....what do we have???? maybe poutine!!!
"snarfude," alt.music.canada

http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.music.canada/msg/8625e6856c8fde77?hl=en


Here's some interesting trivia from the blog Montreal Poutine:

In a November 1991 CBC report on poutine, Canada's largest broadcaster
asked, on-camera, the Quebec premier Robert Bourassa if he liked
poutine. He immediately walked away from the podium, "I'm sorry, I
have to go, I have a really important meeting." His office refused to
answer the question in follow-up calls. The same question to the
opposition Parti-Quebecois leader Jacques Pariseau [sic] got the exact
same response: he refused to answer, either directly on-camera, or in
calls to his office.
http://www.montrealpoutine.com/?history





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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 21 2009 10:10 pm
From: George Dance


A Scroll

By the river I saw geese fly
Like black angels, far and high.
Trees were cracks in a scarlet sky;
A scent of smoke; a dolorous cry:

"Fallen is Babylon the Great,"
Cries the wild goose to his mate.
"All for fire to consume.
Ashes, ashes for their doom."

"Still we learned to love their land,"
Softer now she answers, "and
Safely in the south land, we
Will miss their insecurity."

On the bank red sumac lay,
Fires banked at close of day.
Will I watch those fires burn?
Will I see the geese return?

--
George Dance




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