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$Zero

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Jul 19, 2008, 12:18:22 PM7/19/08
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does asking questions make you a creative genius?

well, probably far moreso that NOT asking questions.

or do you disagree for some silly reason?


-$Zero...

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Alan Hope

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Jul 19, 2008, 12:24:57 PM7/19/08
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$Zero wrote:
> does asking questions make you a creative genius?

No.


> well, probably far moreso that NOT asking questions.

Geniuses necessarily ask important questions, true. But that's not the same as "asking questions" the way you do it. Otherwise the ladies who work for every lame-ass polling organisation would all be Einsteins, wouldn't they? \

I think it goes something like this:

1. Ask important question.
2. Pay attention to answer.
3. Put your insight to some use.

You don't even make it as far as No. 1.


> or do you disagree for some silly reason?

You're not a creative genius now, and you never will be. Still, chin up. Now you can get a job without worrying that you might be depriving the world of something important.


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Ultraviolet

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Jul 19, 2008, 12:27:24 PM7/19/08
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> does asking questions make you a creative genius?


Idiots ask questions, so no.


> well, probably far moreso that NOT asking questions.
>
> or do you disagree for some silly reason?


Depends on the questions, and if one is willing to consider new
viewpoints, which may encourage creativity, or if one is predisposed to
cling to an existing mindset.

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Alan Hope

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Jul 19, 2008, 12:27:23 PM7/19/08
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$Zero wrote:
> does asking questions make you a creative genius?

No.


> well, probably far moreso that NOT asking questions.

Geniuses necessarily ask important questions, true. But that's not the same as "asking questions" the way you do it. Otherwise the ladies who work for every lame-ass polling organisation would all be Einsteins, wouldn't they? \

I think it goes something like this:

1. Ask important question.
2. Pay attention to answer.
3. Put your insight to some use.

You don't even make it as far as No. 1.

> or do you disagree for some silly reason?

You're not a creative genius now, and you never will be. Still, chin up. Now you can get a job without worrying that you might be depriving the world of something important.


--
AH

$Zero

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Jul 19, 2008, 12:56:53 PM7/19/08
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On Jul 19, 12:27�pm, Ultraviolet <viole...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> $Zero stole the cookies from the cookie jar...
>
> > does asking questions make you a creative genius?
>
> Idiots ask questions, so no.

see also:

> > well, probably far moreso that NOT asking questions.
>
> > or do you disagree for some silly reason?
>
> Depends on the questions,

agreed.

> and if one is willing to consider new viewpoints,
> which may encourage creativity, or if one is predisposed
> to�cling to an existing mindset.

totally and absolutely agreed.

point mine.


"if a unicorn is running in the Kentucky derby..."
-- Dr. Zen
[paraphrased]


"if all brown haired women have bad tempers..."
-- Dr. Zen
[mocked]


"if 3 + 3 = 5..."
-- Dr. Zen
[owned]


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john.ku...@sympatico.ca

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Jul 19, 2008, 1:05:48 PM7/19/08
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Not so much questions.

What is important is the type of mind exersise that where you ask
"what if" and you follow through a number of scinarios exploring the
results of each one, in you mind.

$Zero

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Jul 19, 2008, 1:09:28 PM7/19/08
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precious moments in goog posting delays

(was: Re: does asking questions make you a creative genius?)

On Jul 19, 12:56 pm, "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 19, 12:27�pm, Ultraviolet <viole...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
> > $Zero stole the cookies from the cookie jar...
>
> > > does asking questions make you a creative genius?
>
> > Idiots ask questions, so no.

can you spot all of the sublimely amusing irony in this screenshot?

http://i37.tinypic.com/21kxi5i.jpg


-$Zero...

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Alan Hope

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Jul 19, 2008, 1:17:41 PM7/19/08
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$Zero wrote:
> does asking questions make you a creative genius?

No.


> well, probably far moreso that NOT asking questions.

Geniuses necessarily ask important questions, true. But that's not the same as "asking questions" the way you do it. Otherwise the ladies who work for every lame-ass polling organisation would all be Einsteins, wouldn't they? \

I think it goes something like this:

1. Ask important question.
2. Pay attention to answer.
3. Put your insight to some use.

You don't even make it as far as No. 1.

> or do you disagree for some silly reason?

You're not a creative genius now, and you never will be. Still, chin up. Now you can get a job without worrying that you might be depriving the world of something important.


--
AH

$Zero

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Jul 19, 2008, 1:20:14 PM7/19/08
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On Jul 19, 1:09�pm, "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> precious moments in goog posting delays
>
> (was: Re: does asking questions make you a creative genius?)
>
> On Jul 19, 12:56�pm, "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 19, 12:27 pm, Ultraviolet <viole...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
> > > $Zero stole the cookies from the cookie jar...
>
> > > > does asking questions make you a creative genius?
>
> > > Idiots ask questions, so no.
>
> can you spot all of the sublimely amusing irony in this screenshot?
>
> http://i37.tinypic.com/21kxi5i.jpg

precious moments in goog posting delays -- part 2:

http://i37.tinypic.com/2uyj4wl.jpg

Ultraviolet

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Jul 19, 2008, 1:29:25 PM7/19/08
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$Zero stole the cookies from the cookie jar...

> precious moments in goog posting delays
>
> (was: Re: does asking questions make you a creative genius?)
>
> On Jul 19, 12:56 pm, "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 19, 12:27�pm, Ultraviolet <viole...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>
>> > $Zero stole the cookies from the cookie jar...
>>
>> > > does asking questions make you a creative genius?
>>
>> > Idiots ask questions, so no.
>
> can you spot all of the sublimely amusing irony in this
> screenshot?
>
> http://i37.tinypic.com/21kxi5i.jpg


Well, we have the GMTA thing going on with Hope and me.

The communcation ads are amusing.

There's a pretty decent poker hand on the left.

You have a "143" at the top, which is one short of my score on that
Tickle test way back when that started the kerfuffle that you've
alluded to in these posts, but I'm not going there again. Oops.

You haz a vault?

"Yeah, and I have the key."

Some things are just not funny in writing, are they?


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Ultraviolet

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Jul 19, 2008, 1:31:57 PM7/19/08
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$Zero stole the cookies from the cookie jar...

<>

> precious moments in goog posting delays -- part 2:
>
> http://i37.tinypic.com/2uyj4wl.jpg


Things not to say at work:

1. Hang on a sec, I'm answering $Zero's questions.


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$Zero

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Jul 19, 2008, 1:45:54 PM7/19/08
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On Jul 19, 1:31�pm, Ultraviolet <viole...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> $Zero stole the cookies from the cookie jar...
>
> <>
>
> > precious moments in goog posting delays -- part 2:
>
> >http://i37.tinypic.com/2uyj4wl.jpg
>
> Things not to say at work:
>
> 1. Hang on a sec, I'm answering $Zero's questions.

LOL!

brilliant.


-$Zero...

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$Zero

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Jul 19, 2008, 2:01:27 PM7/19/08
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On Jul 19, 1:29 pm, Ultraviolet <viole...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> $Zero stole the cookies from the cookie jar...
>
> > precious moments in goog posting delays
>
> > (was: Re: does asking questions make you a creative genius?)
>
> > On Jul 19, 12:56 pm, "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Jul 19, 12:27�pm, Ultraviolet <viole...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
> >> > $Zero stole the cookies from the cookie jar...
>
> >> > > does asking questions make you a creative genius?
>
> >> > Idiots ask questions, so no.
>
> > can you spot all of the sublimely amusing irony in this
> > screenshot?

well, even though you missed the Unicornian Math thinger in the center
column (where is post #4?), you did make quite a few good funnies.

> >http://i37.tinypic.com/21kxi5i.jpg
>
> Well, we have the GMTA thing going on with Hope and me.

bwah!


> The communcation ads are amusing.

yep.


> There's a pretty decent poker hand on the left.

especially if you're playing hi-low.

it's a bicycle!


> You have a "143" at the top,

hah!

i didn't notice that one.


> which is one short of my score on that
> Tickle test way back when that started the kerfuffle that you've
> alluded to in these posts, but I'm not going there again. Oops.

how many hours do you think were spent arguing about whether or not 2
+ 2 = 5 was true under those conditions?

a gazillion, minimum.

spread out over several months -- years even.


> You haz a vault?

is that for your credit card info or something?

i very rarely use any of AOL's features.


> "Yeah, and I have the key."

you've got a brand new pair of roller skates?

cool.


> Some things are just not funny in writing, are they?

i don't know.

i'm still trying to remember my last Five Jokes.


-$Zero...


how many jokes do you know?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/b85b97cd66c902d4

Sylvia

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Jul 19, 2008, 2:33:31 PM7/19/08
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Miz Ultraviolet wrote:

> $Zero stole the cookies from the cookie jar...
>

> > precious moments in goog posting delays
> >
> > (was: Re: does asking questions make you a creative genius?)
> >

> > "$Zero" wrote:


> >> Ultraviolet wrote:
> >>
> >> > $Zero stole the cookies from the cookie jar...
> >>
> >> > > does asking questions make you a creative genius?
> >>
> >> > Idiots ask questions, so no.
> >
> > can you spot all of the sublimely amusing irony in this
> > screenshot?
> >
> > http://i37.tinypic.com/21kxi5i.jpg
>
>
> Well, we have the GMTA thing going on with Hope and me.
>
> The communcation ads are amusing.

Whycome I don't get no amusin' ads in Google Groups? I don't get no ads at
all. Did I opt-out or something years ago?

The Medals For Sale-Cheap!-esque ad that Mr. $Zero spotted next to Valor Thief
Ray Haddad's post was most amusin'.

> There's a pretty decent poker hand on the left.

<chortle!>

> You have a "143" at the top, which is one short of my score on that
> Tickle test way back when that started the kerfuffle that you've
> alluded to in these posts, but I'm not going there again. Oops.
>
> You haz a vault?
>
> "Yeah, and I have the key."
>
> Some things are just not funny in writing, are they?

<distracted>

Lookit! A kitteh!

<scampering off>

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Alan Hope

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Jul 19, 2008, 3:14:43 PM7/19/08
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Ultraviolet wrote:
> $Zero stole the cookies from the cookie jar...
>

>> precious moments in goog posting delays
>>
>> (was: Re: does asking questions make you a creative genius?)
>>

>> On Jul 19, 12:56Â pm, "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:


>>> On Jul 19, 12:27�pm, Ultraviolet <viole...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> $Zero stole the cookies from the cookie jar...
>>>>> does asking questions make you a creative genius?
>>>> Idiots ask questions, so no.
>> can you spot all of the sublimely amusing irony in this
>> screenshot?
>>
>> http://i37.tinypic.com/21kxi5i.jpg
>
>
> Well, we have the GMTA thing going on with Hope and me.
>
> The communcation ads are amusing.
>
> There's a pretty decent poker hand on the left.
>
> You have a "143" at the top, which is one short of my score on that
> Tickle test way back when that started the kerfuffle that you've
> alluded to in these posts, but I'm not going there again. Oops.
>
> You haz a vault?
>
> "Yeah, and I have the key."
>
> Some things are just not funny in writing, are they?

What is that browser? Is that AOL's own? Are you seriously still using that POS?

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LNC

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Jul 19, 2008, 5:08:24 PM7/19/08
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That's the good news. The bad news is he still pays.

LNC

$Zero

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Jul 19, 2008, 3:38:13 PM7/19/08
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On Jul 19, 5:08�pm, LNC <ugottabkid...@me.org> wrote:
> Alan Hope wrote:
>
> > Ultraviolet wrote:
> >> $Zero stole the cookies from the cookie jar...
>
> >>> precious moments in goog posting delays
>
> >>> (was: Re: does asking questions make you a creative genius?)
>
> >>> On Jul 19, 12:56� pm, "$Zero" <zeroi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >>>> On Jul 19, 12:27�pm, Ultraviolet <viole...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> $Zero stole the cookies from the cookie jar...
> >>>>>> does asking questions make you a creative genius?
> >>>>> Idiots ask questions, so no.
> >>> can you spot all of the sublimely amusing irony in this screenshot?
>
> >>>http://i37.tinypic.com/21kxi5i.jpg
>
> >> Well, we have the GMTA thing going on with Hope and me.
>
> >> The communcation ads are amusing.
>
> >> There's a pretty decent poker hand on the left.
>
> >> You have a "143" at the top, which is one short of my score on that
> >> Tickle test way back when that started the kerfuffle that you've
> >> alluded to in these posts, but I'm not going there again. Oops.
>
> >> You haz a vault?
> >> "Yeah, and I have the key."
>
> >> Some things are just not funny in writing, are they?
>
> > What is that browser? Is that AOL's own? Are you seriously still using
> > that POS?
>
> That's the good news. The bad news is he still pays.

LOL!

good one.


-$Zero...

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Sylvia

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Jul 19, 2008, 4:31:52 PM7/19/08
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Mr. Hope wrote:

> Ultraviolet wrote:
> > $Zero stole the cookies from the cookie jar...
> >
> >> precious moments in goog posting delays
> >>
> >> (was: Re: does asking questions make you a creative genius?)
> >>
> >> "$Zero" wrote:
> >>> Ultraviolet wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> $Zero stole the cookies from the cookie jar...

> >>>>> does asking questions make you a creative genius?
> >>>> Idiots ask questions, so no.
> >> can you spot all of the sublimely amusing irony in this
> >> screenshot?
> >>
> >> http://i37.tinypic.com/21kxi5i.jpg
> >
> >
> > Well, we have the GMTA thing going on with Hope and me.
> >
> > The communcation ads are amusing.
> >
> > There's a pretty decent poker hand on the left.
> >
> > You have a "143" at the top, which is one short of my score on that
> > Tickle test way back when that started the kerfuffle that you've
> > alluded to in these posts, but I'm not going there again. Oops.
> >
> > You haz a vault?
> >
> > "Yeah, and I have the key."
> >
> > Some things are just not funny in writing, are they?
>
> What is that browser? Is that AOL's own? Are you seriously still using that
> POS?

Does that explain the commercial ads he gets? Does anyone else see 'em? Is
that an AOL thingy?

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boots

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Jul 20, 2008, 6:18:56 AM7/20/08
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Alan Hope <usenet....@gmail.com> wrote:

Well done, Hope. In fact, the profundity of that statement indicates
that you may be depriving the world of something important because you
have a job. Scary thought innit.

Ultimately though, the world doesn't care about value so much as it
cares about receiving strokes.. just like the people who make it up.

Imagine that.

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boots

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Jul 20, 2008, 6:20:20 AM7/20/08
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"Koolc...@smurfsareus.xxx" <john.ku...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

As long as the thought-train doesn't get derailed before it reaches
the end of the line innit.

Alan Hope

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bzzzzzzzzzzzz
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boots

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Alan Hope <usenet....@gmail.com> wrote:

Journalistic buzz izzit?

You know, you keep claiming to be a "journalist". Yet you write an
opinion column. Have you engaged in any acts of journalism lately, or
does washing the opinionation off your hads keep you too busy?

Alan Hope

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Jul 20, 2008, 7:26:37 AM7/20/08
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Who told you I write an opinion column?

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boots

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Alan Hope <usenet....@gmail.com> wrote:

A little bumblebee, please feel free to correct the misinformation, or
not.

serenebabe

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On 2008-07-20 07:26:37 -0400, Alan Hope <usenet....@gmail.com> said:

> boots wrote:
<...>


>> You know, you keep claiming to be a "journalist". Yet you write an
>> opinion column. Have you engaged in any acts of journalism lately, or
>> does washing the opinionation off your hads keep you too busy?
>
> Who told you I write an opinion column?

Someone somewhere recently said you wrote an editorial column. In the
SkiptriestobeAH'sstalker thread.

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Alan Hope

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I don't. I used to write a humour column, but not no more.

Anyway, what on earth is stopping a person from doing both? Does writing your opinion once mean everything you write is opinion thereafter? Can you not switch it on and off?

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Alan Hope

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serenebabe wrote:
> On 2008-07-20 07:26:37 -0400, Alan Hope <usenet....@gmail.com> said:
>
>> boots wrote:
> <...>
>>> You know, you keep claiming to be a "journalist". Yet you write an
>>> opinion column. Have you engaged in any acts of journalism lately, or
>>> does washing the opinionation off your hads keep you too busy?
>>
>> Who told you I write an opinion column?
>
> Someone somewhere recently said you wrote an editorial column. In the
> SkiptriestobeAH'sstalker thread.

SkummySkip quoted a sentence from a profile I had written. The only column I wrote was humour. They're collected at http://yourgrapes.wordpress.com.
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serenebabe

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Jul 20, 2008, 4:32:00 PM7/20/08
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Ian MacDonald?

Am I missing a joke? Or is it a nym?

Alan Hope

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Jul 20, 2008, 5:33:21 PM7/20/08
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No and yes.
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boots

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Jul 21, 2008, 1:29:58 AM7/21/08
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Alan Hope <usenet....@gmail.com> wrote:

Who got tired of it?

>Anyway, what on earth is stopping a person from doing both? Does writing your opinion once mean everything you write is opinion thereafter? Can you not switch it on and off?

Nothing stops one from switching opinion off and on (I'm not sure if
humor is switchable and your what-on-earth question was less than
clear), but personally I take an old-school view of "journalism".
Stan's report of the concert at Shea stadium qualifies as journalism,
making fun of the Pope's nose because of what you saw in a picture of
him doesn't, and making fun of the Pope's toilet habits because he's
an ass qualifies as humor but not journalism and if you're lucky not
opinion either.

Alan Hope

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Jul 21, 2008, 5:48:41 AM7/21/08
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I did.

>> Anyway, what on earth is stopping a person from doing both? Does
>> writing your opinion once mean everything you write is opinion
>> thereafter? Can you not switch it on and off?

> Nothing stops one from switching opinion off and on (I'm not sure
> if humor is switchable and your what-on-earth question was less
> than clear),

What the fuck is wrong with you? The sentence immediately preceding
the one with "switch it on and off" is talking about "opinion". In the
English language, that means the 'it' refers to 'opinion'. It's a very
simple rule. How could you imagine 'it' referred to anything else? Do
you not speak English?

> but personally I take an old-school view of "journalism".
> Stan's report of the concert at Shea stadium qualifies as
> journalism, making fun of the Pope's nose because of what you saw
> in a picture of him doesn't, and making fun of the Pope's toilet
> habits because he's an ass qualifies as humor but not journalism
> and if you're lucky not opinion either.

You're once again missing the point entirely.

I can see that those are three different categories of writing. That's
not in dispute. But what's stopping a person from being able to do all
three at one time or another? That's the issue.

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boots

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Jul 21, 2008, 9:53:30 AM7/21/08
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Alan Hope <usenet....@gmail.com> wrote:

It happens. I've gotten tired of things myself. I hope whatever
you're doing now is more entertaining, lucrative, fulfilling, etc.

>>> Anyway, what on earth is stopping a person from doing both? Does
>>> writing your opinion once mean everything you write is opinion
>>> thereafter? Can you not switch it on and off?
>
>> Nothing stops one from switching opinion off and on (I'm not sure
>> if humor is switchable and your what-on-earth question was less
>> than clear),
>
>What the fuck is wrong with you? The sentence immediately preceding
>the one with "switch it on and off" is talking about "opinion".

And just earlier you were talking about humor, so we have two possible
referents "humor" and "opinion", then you were talking about "doing
both". You are not as clear as you wish to believe yourself to be.

> In the
>English language, that means the 'it' refers to 'opinion'. It's a very
>simple rule. How could you imagine 'it' referred to anything else? Do
>you not speak English?

Probably not, Alan. How many autists speak English? Really speak it?
Oh that's right, I'm not autistic, simply fucked-up. Okay, how many
truly fucked-up people really speak English?

No, I probably do not speak English. I fake it. Often I get away
with it.

> > but personally I take an old-school view of "journalism".
>> Stan's report of the concert at Shea stadium qualifies as
>> journalism, making fun of the Pope's nose because of what you saw
>> in a picture of him doesn't, and making fun of the Pope's toilet
>> habits because he's an ass qualifies as humor but not journalism
>> and if you're lucky not opinion either.
>
>You're once again missing the point entirely.

No doubt I am missing your point. How certain are you that you aren't
likewise missing mine?

>I can see that those are three different categories of writing. That's
>not in dispute. But what's stopping a person from being able to do all
>three at one time or another? That's the issue.

Oh. Well, it's certainly possible to write in different modes at
different times. But you call yourself "a journalist" which to me
means that your professional writing is primarily journalistic, yet
what I see you writing is opinion. Certainly you know the difference
between journalism and opinion, so I must be missing some information.
Is your journalistic writing online somewhere?

Alan Hope

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Jul 21, 2008, 10:16:02 AM7/21/08
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boots wrote:
> Alan Hope <usenet....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> boots wrote:

>>>>>>> You know, you keep claiming to be a "journalist". Yet
>>>>>>> you write an opinion column. Have you engaged in any
>>>>>>> acts of journalism lately, or does washing the
>>>>>>> opinionation off your hads keep you too busy?

>>>>>> Who told you I write an opinion column?

>>>>> A little bumblebee, please feel free to correct the
>>>>> misinformation, or not.

>>>> I don't. I used to write a humour column, but not no more.

>>> Who got tired of it?

>> I did.

> It happens. I've gotten tired of things myself. I hope whatever
> you're doing now is more entertaining, lucrative, fulfilling, etc.

For the time being.

>>>> Anyway, what on earth is stopping a person from doing both?
>>>> Does writing your opinion once mean everything you write is
>>>> opinion thereafter? Can you not switch it on and off?

>>> Nothing stops one from switching opinion off and on (I'm not
>>> sure if humor is switchable and your what-on-earth question was
>>> less than clear),

>> What the fuck is wrong with you? The sentence immediately
>> preceding the one with "switch it on and off" is talking about
>> "opinion".

> And just earlier you were talking about humor, so we have two
> possible referents "humor" and "opinion",

That's not how it works. The last referent is the only one that counts.

> then you were talking about "doing both". You are not as clear as
> you wish to believe yourself to be.

I didn't talk in that sentence about "doing both". What the fuck are
you wittering about?

>> In the English language, that means the 'it' refers to 'opinion'.
>> It's a very simple rule. How could you imagine 'it' referred to
>> anything else? Do you not speak English?

> Probably not, Alan. How many autists speak English? Really speak
> it? Oh that's right, I'm not autistic, simply fucked-up. Okay, how
> many truly fucked-up people really speak English?

> No, I probably do not speak English. I fake it. Often I get away
> with it.

But not always. As now.

>>> but personally I take an old-school view of "journalism".
>>> Stan's report of the concert at Shea stadium qualifies as
>>> journalism, making fun of the Pope's nose because of what you
>>> saw in a picture of him doesn't, and making fun of the Pope's
>>> toilet habits because he's an ass qualifies as humor but not
>>> journalism and if you're lucky not opinion either.

>> You're once again missing the point entirely.

> No doubt I am missing your point. How certain are you that you
> aren't likewise missing mine?

Do you have one? Do tell.

>> I can see that those are three different categories of writing.
>> That's not in dispute. But what's stopping a person from being
>> able to do all three at one time or another? That's the issue.

> Oh. Well, it's certainly possible to write in different modes at
> different times.

Right. So what was your point about my "opinion column"?

> But you call yourself "a journalist" which to me means that your
> professional writing is primarily journalistic, yet what I see you
> writing is opinion.

Where do you see me writing that? In the two-sentence extract posted
by SlimySkip? Is that what you call "what I see you writing"?

> Certainly you know the difference between journalism and opinion,
> so I must be missing some information. Is your journalistic writing
> online somewhere?

Start here:
http://www.flanderstoday.eu/jahia/Jahia/pid/9

World's worst newspaper website, impossible to search, everything
archived in pdfs. Not my doing. I do news and business, but only trust
it where you see my name.

I'm also news editor, so I'm responsible for commissioning, editing,
choosing photos, and even layout. That's all journalism too, you see.

--
AH

$Zero

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On Jul 21, 10:16�am, Alan Hope <usenet.ident...@gmail.com> wrote:


> I'm also news editor, so I'm responsible for commissioning,

so where's *my* job offer, you petty bastard!

-$Zero...

flattery is so easy
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/10119f8c915e072e

$Zero

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On Jul 21, 9:53�am, boots <n...@no.no> wrote:
> Alan Hope <usenet.ident...@gmail.com> wrote:

[..]

> > In the
> >English language, that means the 'it' refers to 'opinion'. It's a very
> >simple rule. How could you imagine 'it' referred to anything else? Do
> >you not speak English?
>
> Probably not, Alan. �How many autists speak English? Really speak it?
> Oh that's right, I'm not autistic, simply fucked-up. Okay, how many
> truly fucked-up people really speak English?
>
> No, I probably do not speak English. I fake it. Often I get away
> with it.

FWIW, i find boots to be the most interesting and amusing and
understandable writer on this newsgroup.

i don't know how he manages to get his points across so well using the
writing style that he does, but i'm always left wanting more.

and he rarely if ever leaves me bewildered in a bad way.

-$Zero...

things beyond your comprehension
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/f2fc0c5bfb347511

things NOT beyond your comprehension
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/15fcbee9fb166137

$Zero

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On Jul 19, 12:24�pm, Alan Hope <usenet.ident...@gmail.com> wrote:
> $Zero wrote:
> > does asking questions make you a creative genius?
>
> No.

how the hell would you know?

> > well, probably far moreso than NOT asking questions.


>
> Geniuses necessarily ask important questions, true.

Gawd.

> But that's not the same as "asking questions" the way you do it.

oh.

> Otherwise the ladies who work for every lame-ass polling
> organisation would all be Einsteins, wouldn't they?

some of them are.

but that's besides the point.


> I think it goes something like this:
>
> 1. �Ask important question.

one wonders why we've never seen you ask any of those.

> 2. �Pay attention to answer.

oh, i get it. you don't ask important questions because you don't want
to pay attention to the answers.

makes sense, i suppose.

> 3. �Put your insight to some use.

insight. hmmm...


> You don't even make it as far as No. 1.

"$Zero"


> > or do you disagree for some silly reason?
>
> You're not a creative genius now, and you never will be.

oh well, so much for all that.

> Still, chin up. Now you can get a job without
> worrying that you might be depriving the world
> of something important.

yay!


-$Zero...

POLL -- Are you an annoying person?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/69a42ec3253f6a50

$Zero

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Jul 21, 2008, 4:39:26 PM7/21/08
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the ads have always showed up on my desktop Firefox browser as well.
and it doesn't use AOL to connect to the internet. although, the
broadband cable connection i use is Time Warner.

also, i'm pretty sure that the ads are there at my office as well,
which uses DSL (thru Verizon, i think). i haven't been there in a
couple weeks so i can't check right now.

perhaps it's a Mac thing!

Sylvia

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Miz Ultraviolet wrote:

> $Zero stole the cookies from the cookie jar...
>
> > precious moments in goog posting delays
> >
> > (was: Re: does asking questions make you a creative genius?)
> >
> > "$Zero" wrote:
> >> Ultraviolet wrote:
> >>
> >> > $Zero stole the cookies from the cookie jar...
> >>
> >> > > does asking questions make you a creative genius?
> >>
> >> > Idiots ask questions, so no.
> >
> > can you spot all of the sublimely amusing irony in this
> > screenshot?
> >
> > http://i37.tinypic.com/21kxi5i.jpg
>
>
> Well, we have the GMTA thing going on with Hope and me.
>
> The communcation ads are amusing.

Whycome I don't get no amusin' ads in Google Groups? I don't get no ads at

all. Did I opt-out or something years ago?

The Medals For Sale-Cheap!-esque ad that Mr. $Zero spotted next to Valor Thief
Ray Haddad's post was most amusin'.

> There's a pretty decent poker hand on the left.

<chortle!>

> You have a "143" at the top, which is one short of my score on that
> Tickle test way back when that started the kerfuffle that you've
> alluded to in these posts, but I'm not going there again. Oops.
>
> You haz a vault?
>
> "Yeah, and I have the key."
>
> Some things are just not funny in writing, are they?

<distracted>

Sylvia

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Alan Hope

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$Zero wrote:
> On Jul 21, 10:16�am, Alan Hope <usenet.ident...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> I'm also news editor, so I'm responsible for commissioning,

> so where's *my* job offer, you petty bastard!

I need people who can work. Speaking Dutch is an advantage.

--
AH

Alan Hope

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$Zero wrote:
> On Jul 21, 9:53�am, boots <n...@no.no> wrote:
>> Alan Hope <usenet.ident...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [..]
>
>>> In the
>>> English language, that means the 'it' refers to 'opinion'. It's a very
>>> simple rule. How could you imagine 'it' referred to anything else? Do
>>> you not speak English?
>> Probably not, Alan. �How many autists speak English? Really speak it?
>> Oh that's right, I'm not autistic, simply fucked-up. Okay, how many
>> truly fucked-up people really speak English?
>>
>> No, I probably do not speak English. I fake it. Often I get away
>> with it.
>
> FWIW, i find boots to be the most interesting and amusing and
> understandable writer on this newsgroup.

Kiss of fucking death innit.
--
AH

$Zero

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Jul 21, 2008, 7:56:55 PM7/21/08
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well, as you know, you're right up there among my favorites as well,
so...

as is UV, and Zen, and Penrose, and the obligatory etc., etc.,

you each have your strengths.

you're not nearly as imaginative as boots.

and while you're definitely extremely witty, you're a tad narrow-
minded and arrogant for my taste.

but we've successfully chased away so many of the other narrow-minded
fucks (with their tails between their knees and their fingers plugging
their ears) that it doesn't take much to rank up there these days, so
take heart.

-$Zero...

POLL -- do you have any important questions?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/0c8d39c2b9738a6c

boots

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Alan Hope <usenet....@gmail.com> wrote:

I can accept that as being the way it works for you.

boots

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Alan Hope <usenet....@gmail.com> wrote:

>Start here:
>http://www.flanderstoday.eu/jahia/Jahia/pid/9
>
>World's worst newspaper website, impossible to search, everything
>archived in pdfs. Not my doing. I do news and business, but only trust
>it where you see my name.

Thanks for the link. I attempted to read your article on the Flemish
housing code. Your writing style there is much different from here.
You seem fond of something I might describe as... 'convolution '?

"The obligation to learn Dutch was not inconsistent, the Court said,
with a policy of..."

"The Court did, however, overturn another clause in the Code which was
the subject of an objection, ..."

I'm not sure if 'convolution' is a good description of it. You grab
the first chunk, stick it after the second, and make it parenthetical.
I find it distracting and confusing. But then I am old-school in that
I consider reporting similar to technical writing, where the reader
doesn't want to get involved with stylism he simply wants the essence
delivered briefly and clearly so he can get done and be off to the
pub.

I'm sure you give a damn. In any case I can see that you are not
simply an opinionating bastard, you are indeed much more versatile
than that. Again thanks for the link, there's nothing quite like
information for correcting incorrect opinions.

boots

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"$Zero" <zero...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jul 21, 9:53?am, boots <n...@no.no> wrote:
>> Alan Hope <usenet.ident...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>[..]
>
>> > In the
>> >English language, that means the 'it' refers to 'opinion'. It's a very
>> >simple rule. How could you imagine 'it' referred to anything else? Do
>> >you not speak English?
>>

>> Probably not, Alan. ?How many autists speak English? Really speak it?


>> Oh that's right, I'm not autistic, simply fucked-up. Okay, how many
>> truly fucked-up people really speak English?
>>
>> No, I probably do not speak English. I fake it. Often I get away
>> with it.
>
>FWIW, i find boots to be the most interesting and amusing and
>understandable writer on this newsgroup.
>
>i don't know how he manages to get his points across so well using the
>writing style that he does, but i'm always left wanting more.
>
>and he rarely if ever leaves me bewildered in a bad way.
>
>-$Zero...

You poor fucking demented bastard. Seek help. Really.

Alan Hope

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Good. In lesson two we'll go on to the role of the adjective.
--
AH

Alan Hope

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boots wrote:
> Alan Hope <usenet....@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Start here: http://www.flanderstoday.eu/jahia/Jahia/pid/9

>> World's worst newspaper website, impossible to search, everything
>> archived in pdfs. Not my doing. I do news and business, but only
>> trust it where you see my name.

> Thanks for the link. I attempted to read your article on the
> Flemish housing code. Your writing style there is much different
> from here. You seem fond of something I might describe as...
> 'convolution '?

> "The obligation to learn Dutch was not inconsistent, the Court
> said, with a policy of..."

> "The Court did, however, overturn another clause in the Code which
> was the subject of an objection, ..."

I'm not sure what purpose you think is being achieved by quoting
partial sentences.

> I'm not sure if 'convolution' is a good description of it. You
> grab the first chunk, stick it after the second, and make it
> parenthetical. I find it distracting and confusing. But then I am
> old-school in that I consider reporting similar to technical
> writing, where the reader doesn't want to get involved with stylism
> he simply wants the essence delivered briefly and clearly so he can
> get done and be off to the pub.

You might be able to illustrate your objections better by reference to
whole sentences.

> I'm sure you give a damn. In any case I can see that you are not
> simply an opinionating bastard, you are indeed much more versatile
> than that. Again thanks for the link, there's nothing quite like
> information for correcting incorrect opinions.

You're welcome, I'm sure.
--
AH

Alan Hope

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It's the way the language works. The fact that you think yourself
exempt may explain why you often seem to experience difficulties
no-one else does.

--
AH

boots

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Alan Hope <usenet....@gmail.com> wrote:

Since that isn't the way it works for me I suspect that lesson two
might be premature.

Sylvia

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Mr. $Zero wrote:

> Sylvia wrote:
> > Mr. Hope wrote:

<...>


> > > What is that browser? Is that AOL's own? Are you seriously still using
> > > that POS?
> >
> > Does that explain the commercial ads he gets? Does anyone else see 'em?
> > Is that an AOL thingy?
>
> the ads have always showed up on my desktop Firefox browser as well. and it
> doesn't use AOL to connect to the internet. although, the broadband cable
> connection i use is Time Warner.
>
> also, i'm pretty sure that the ads are there at my office as well, which
> uses DSL (thru Verizon, i think). i haven't been there in a couple weeks so
> i can't check right now.
>
> perhaps it's a Mac thing!

That would never be a Mac thing.

--
Sylvia <---- Mac Peep <---- Not a Scottish name

$Zero

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On Jul 22, 6:26�am, boots <n...@no.no> wrote:

that would make a great t-shirt!


-$Zero...

the control freaks who control you
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/8de726af6edc0ba0

$Zero

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i meant the _lack_ of ads.

> --
> Sylvia <---- Mac Peep <---- Not a Scottish name


-$Zero... <--- Peace Peep <--- Not a Nobel Prize winner yet

the encouragement thread -- what i like about [mwer]'s posts
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.writing/msg/3da8d1fc809b3c47

Sylvia

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Mr. $Zero wrote:

> On Jul 22, 6:26?am, boots <n...@no.no> wrote:

<...>


> > You poor fucking demented bastard. Seek help. Really.
>
> that would make a great t-shirt!

<$$$$$!>

<making note to rent booth for the Emporium's Apparel Division
at the next American Psychiatric Association convention>

--
Sylvia

Sylvia

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Mr. $Zero wrote:

> Sylvia wrote:
> > Mr. $Zero ?wrote:
> > > Sylvia wrote:


> > > > Mr. Hope ? wrote:
> >
> > <...>
> >
> > > > > What is that browser? Is that AOL's own? Are you seriously still
> > > > > using that POS?
> >
> > > > Does that explain the commercial ads he gets? Does anyone else see
> > > > 'em? Is that an AOL thingy?
> >
> > > the ads have always showed up on my desktop Firefox browser as well.
> > > and it doesn't use AOL to connect to the internet. although, the
> > > broadband cable connection i use is Time Warner.
> >
> > > also, i'm pretty sure that the ads are there at my office as well,
> > > which uses DSL (thru Verizon, i think). i haven't been there in a
> > > couple weeks so i can't check right now.
> >
> > > perhaps it's a Mac thing!
> >
> > That would never be a Mac thing.
>
> i meant the _lack_ of ads.

Oh. Yeah.

(I knew you meant that, I was just testin' ya... no, really.)

> > -- Sylvia <---- Mac Peep <---- Not a Scottish name
>
>
> -$Zero... <--- Peace Peep <--- Not a Nobel Prize winner yet

--
Sylvia <--- Still the Supreme Ruler of MW (but not Scottish)

(Not that there's anything wrong with that.)

(I meant that there isn't anything wrong with being Scottish, I didn't mean to
say that there isn't anything wrong with being The Supreme Ruler--you got
that, right?)

(Not that there *is* anything wrong with being the Supreme Ruler, either.)

(It's pretty damned nice, actually. Great benefits.)

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