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A Brazilian consumer protection agency declared the "charger in the box" to be an "essential" component.
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Arlen Holder
Dec 4, 2020, 11:52:34 PM12/4/20
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Verbatim because apologists deny all facts about Apple which conflict with
their imaginary belief system, which, itself, is based on zero (0) facts.
"Apple might be forced to ship new iPhones with a charger
when they're sold in Brazil."
o Brazilian iPhone buyers might get a charger in the box after all
<https://www.imore.com/brazilian-iphone-buyers-might-get-charger-box-after-all>
"Public agency Procon-SP first reached out to Apple in October to get
clarification on the reason for removing the power adapter from iPhone
boxes and the predictable response doesn't hold much weight for the
Brazilians."
"Apple does not demonstrate in its response that the use of old adapters
cannot compromise the charging process and safety of the procedure,
nor that the use of third-party chargers will not be used as a refusal
for eventual repair of the product during the legal or contractual
warranty."
--
Bringing TRUTH to the fact-free child-like Apple newsgroups, via facts.
their imaginary belief system, which, itself, is based on zero (0) facts.
"Apple might be forced to ship new iPhones with a charger
when they're sold in Brazil."
o Brazilian iPhone buyers might get a charger in the box after all
<https://www.imore.com/brazilian-iphone-buyers-might-get-charger-box-after-all>
"Public agency Procon-SP first reached out to Apple in October to get
clarification on the reason for removing the power adapter from iPhone
boxes and the predictable response doesn't hold much weight for the
Brazilians."
"Apple does not demonstrate in its response that the use of old adapters
cannot compromise the charging process and safety of the procedure,
nor that the use of third-party chargers will not be used as a refusal
for eventual repair of the product during the legal or contractual
warranty."
--
Bringing TRUTH to the fact-free child-like Apple newsgroups, via facts.
Alan Baker
Dec 4, 2020, 11:58:36 PM12/4/20
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...right up until the moment someone other than Apple does the exact
same thing.
Arlen Holder
Dec 6, 2020, 11:24:45 PM12/6/20
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Apple apologists, always being rather _late_ to all facts...
o Finally caught up to the news on the Brazilian mandates...
o Want a charger with your iPhone 12? Move to Brazil. Want Earpods with your iPhone 12? Move to France.
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/qu_RTwBgsf8>
That late thread is by sms, who is a Type II apologist
o They're not completely immune to facts - but just very resistant
None of the apologists could last in high tech being that slow to facts
o At least he's late to facts, instead of never (like Type III apologists)
The article he references is this cite:
o Want a charger with your iPhone 12? Move to Brazil.
<https://thenextweb.com/plugged/2020/12/03/want-your-iphone-12-to-come-with-a-charger-go-to-brazil/>
Apple always removes functionality so that they can sell it back to you.
That's like paying tons of money for a new kitchen with 220V appliances
o And they don't even bother replacing the old power cords
You have to use your old, decrepit, worn, fatigued, damaged power cords.
o It's a safety hazard, and, Apple will void your warranty apparently
Yup. Apple can't vouch for the safety nor say they won't void warranties.
o That's what the Brazilians said Apple told them up front.
You use an old charger, apparently, and it damages your iPhone
o Tough luck - you should have purchased a brand new Apple charger.
Whose last sentence brings up new information for this newsgroup
o Which is that the earpods are required in France for hands-free use
In summary, it seems:
a. Brazil says Apple refuses to honor the warranty if your phone is damaged
b. France says every mobile device must be a complete hands-free solution
--
Apple removes functionality and then voids your warranty if there's damage.
o Finally caught up to the news on the Brazilian mandates...
o Want a charger with your iPhone 12? Move to Brazil. Want Earpods with your iPhone 12? Move to France.
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/qu_RTwBgsf8>
That late thread is by sms, who is a Type II apologist
o They're not completely immune to facts - but just very resistant
None of the apologists could last in high tech being that slow to facts
o At least he's late to facts, instead of never (like Type III apologists)
The article he references is this cite:
o Want a charger with your iPhone 12? Move to Brazil.
<https://thenextweb.com/plugged/2020/12/03/want-your-iphone-12-to-come-with-a-charger-go-to-brazil/>
Apple always removes functionality so that they can sell it back to you.
That's like paying tons of money for a new kitchen with 220V appliances
o And they don't even bother replacing the old power cords
You have to use your old, decrepit, worn, fatigued, damaged power cords.
o It's a safety hazard, and, Apple will void your warranty apparently
Yup. Apple can't vouch for the safety nor say they won't void warranties.
o That's what the Brazilians said Apple told them up front.
You use an old charger, apparently, and it damages your iPhone
o Tough luck - you should have purchased a brand new Apple charger.
Whose last sentence brings up new information for this newsgroup
o Which is that the earpods are required in France for hands-free use
In summary, it seems:
a. Brazil says Apple refuses to honor the warranty if your phone is damaged
b. France says every mobile device must be a complete hands-free solution
--
Apple removes functionality and then voids your warranty if there's damage.
Arlen Holder
Dec 8, 2020, 11:42:57 AM12/8/20
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On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 11:28:52 -0000 (UTC), Matt wrote:
>> no need, since nearly everyone has multiples of both.
>
> And for those who's selling their old phones with charger and earphones?
Hi Matt,
It's clear to me nospam _whooshed_ on the adult reasons for these actions
A. Brazil may require basically functionality to be included in the box
B. France may require basically functionality to be included in the box
The _functional_ reasons are rather simple & obvious, but only to adults:
o Which is on more than 99.5% of all Android devices
(i.e., the lack of basic functionality is essentially only on iPhones).
The MARKETING reasons are just as obvious, but only to adults:
o Apple removes _basic_ functionality so that they can then sell it back.
--
Only actual adults will be able to comprehend the content of this post.
>> no need, since nearly everyone has multiples of both.
>
> And for those who's selling their old phones with charger and earphones?
Hi Matt,
It's clear to me nospam _whooshed_ on the adult reasons for these actions
A. Brazil may require basically functionality to be included in the box
B. France may require basically functionality to be included in the box
The _functional_ reasons are rather simple & obvious, but only to adults:
a. Brazil says Apple refuses to honor the warranty if your phone is damaged
b. France says every mobile device must be a complete hands-free solution
HINT: Apple _removed_ the basic functionality of the headphone jack
b. France says every mobile device must be a complete hands-free solution
o Which is on more than 99.5% of all Android devices
(i.e., the lack of basic functionality is essentially only on iPhones).
The MARKETING reasons are just as obvious, but only to adults:
o Apple removes _basic_ functionality so that they can then sell it back.
--
Only actual adults will be able to comprehend the content of this post.
Arlen Holder
Dec 8, 2020, 1:01:48 PM12/8/20
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On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 16:42:54 +0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:
> The MARKETING reasons are just as obvious, but only to adults:
> o Apple removes _basic_ functionality so that they can then sell it back.
UPDATE:
> The MARKETING reasons are just as obvious, but only to adults:
> o Apple removes _basic_ functionality so that they can then sell it back.
Apple _removes_ basic functionality so that the consumer has to buy it back.
On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 21:29:42 -0500, nospam wrote:
> meanwhile, samsung will *not* be including either one:
Hi nospam,
You _always_ blame everyone but Apple for Apple's own decisions.
o In your desperate attempt to _deflect_ people from what Apple does.
*The fact remains that _zero_ Android device do what Apple does today*
o Yes, I said zero (nobody can find even a single one sold today!)
Not even one, nospam.
o Zero.
Just like when you claim Android is removing the aux jack
o When it turns out almost zero (less than 1/2 of 1%) devices lack it
You are absolutely _desperate_ nospam, to deflect people from the FACTS.
o Only Apple iPhones lack this basic functionality out of the box.
Essentially, you must purchase a brand new charger for your iPhone 12.
o In fact, Apple told Brazil they'll _void your warranty_ if you don't.
Who wants to risk Apple unilaterally _voiding your warranty_ nospam?
o On a thousand-dollar device which lacks basic functionality in the box.
You're _dead_ if you do _not_ purchase a brand new Apple charger, nospam.
o Which is a fact you're _desperate_ to deflect blame from, nospam.
The facts that nospam is desperate to deflect from remain...
a. Brazil says Apple refuses to honor the warranty if your phone is damaged
b. France says every mobile device must be a complete hands-free solution
Note: We've proven less than 1/2 of 1 percent of Android phones do not
b. France says every mobile device must be a complete hands-free solution
have the basic functionality of a headphone jack, and even fewer
as time marches on (because it _is_ considered basic functionality).
Apple _removes_ basic functionality so that the consumer has to buy it back.
--
See these facts nospam is desperate to deflect people from knowing.
o A Brazilian consumer protection agency declared the "charger in the box" to be an "essential" component.
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/vJlfXaBaSFQ>
o Which recent 2019 & 2020 Android phones do NOT come with a charger in the box (that are in the price range of an iPhone)?
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/-FSFIHYbs3o>
o How many of the existing Android phones lack headphone jack basic hardware functionality
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/ZjnD2kAf-mI>
Alan Baker
Dec 8, 2020, 2:56:26 PM12/8/20
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On 2020-12-08 8:42 a.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 11:28:52 -0000 (UTC), Matt wrote:
>
>>> no need, since nearly everyone has multiples of both.
>>
>> And for those who's selling their old phones with charger and earphones?
>
> Hi Matt,
>
> It's clear to me nospam _whooshed_ on the adult reasons for these actions
> A. Brazil may require basically functionality to be included in the box
1. "may"? It seems just a couple of days ago you were insisting it was a
> On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 11:28:52 -0000 (UTC), Matt wrote:
>
>>> no need, since nearly everyone has multiples of both.
>>
>> And for those who's selling their old phones with charger and earphones?
>
> Hi Matt,
>
> It's clear to me nospam _whooshed_ on the adult reasons for these actions
> A. Brazil may require basically functionality to be included in the box
"fact".
2. "basically functionality"? The word you were groping for was the
adjective "basic".
> B. France may require basically functionality to be included in the box
>
> The _functional_ reasons are rather simple & obvious, but only to adults:
> a. Brazil says Apple refuses to honor the warranty if your phone is damaged
> b. France says every mobile device must be a complete hands-free solution
> HINT: Apple _removed_ the basic functionality of the headphone jack
> o Which is on more than 99.5% of all Android devices
> (i.e., the lack of basic functionality is essentially only on iPhones).
>
> The MARKETING reasons are just as obvious, but only to adults:
> o Apple removes _basic_ functionality so that they can then sell it back.
Alan Baker
Dec 8, 2020, 2:56:57 PM12/8/20
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On 2020-12-08 10:01 a.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 16:42:54 +0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:
>
>> The MARKETING reasons are just as obvious, but only to adults:
>> o Apple removes _basic_ functionality so that they can then sell it back.
>
> UPDATE:
>
> Apple _removes_ basic functionality so that the consumer has to buy it back.
>
> On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 21:29:42 -0500, nospam wrote:
> > meanwhile, samsung will *not* be including either one:
>
> Hi nospam,
You're replying to yourself, sunshine.
> On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 16:42:54 +0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:
>
>> The MARKETING reasons are just as obvious, but only to adults:
>> o Apple removes _basic_ functionality so that they can then sell it back.
>
> UPDATE:
>
> Apple _removes_ basic functionality so that the consumer has to buy it back.
>
> On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 21:29:42 -0500, nospam wrote:
> > meanwhile, samsung will *not* be including either one:
>
> Hi nospam,
badgolferman
Dec 8, 2020, 4:54:45 PM12/8/20
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power to operate. It’s like not having a power cord for your TV or electric
toothbrush. The reason given is ridiculous too. Take the cord from another
device you have. Who knows if that cord or charger will be sufficient for
the new one? The only other thing similar to this I can think of is
electric dryers which you have to buy a new cord. No one ever said use the
one you got laying around, they said this will be an extra expense for
sure.
nospam
Dec 8, 2020, 5:12:00 PM12/8/20
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In article <rqosmu$128r$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, badgolferman
<REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Itąs asinine to remove the łproper˛ power cord from a device which requires
> power to operate. Itąs like not having a power cord for your TV or electric
meanwhile, a *lot* of devices do not include batteries in the package,
such as radios, flashlights, toys, camera accessories and much more.
remember the label 'batteries not included' ??
lawn mowers and snow blowers don't include fuel. crazy, but true.
<REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Itąs asinine to remove the łproper˛ power cord from a device which requires
> power to operate. Itąs like not having a power cord for your TV or electric
> toothbrush. The reason given is ridiculous too. Take the cord from another
> device you have. Who knows if that cord or charger will be sufficient for
> the new one? The only other thing similar to this I can think of is
> electric dryers which you have to buy a new cord. No one ever said use the
> one you got laying around, they said this will be an extra expense for
> sure.
usb power adapters are ubiquitous. worst case, use a computer to charge.
> device you have. Who knows if that cord or charger will be sufficient for
> the new one? The only other thing similar to this I can think of is
> electric dryers which you have to buy a new cord. No one ever said use the
> one you got laying around, they said this will be an extra expense for
> sure.
meanwhile, a *lot* of devices do not include batteries in the package,
such as radios, flashlights, toys, camera accessories and much more.
remember the label 'batteries not included' ??
lawn mowers and snow blowers don't include fuel. crazy, but true.
badgolferman
Dec 8, 2020, 5:25:38 PM12/8/20
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nospam wrote:
>In article <rqosmu$128r$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, badgolferman
><REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Itąs asinine to remove the łproper˛ power cord from a device which
>>requires power to operate. Itąs like not having a power cord for
>>your TV or electric toothbrush. The reason given is ridiculous
>>too. Take the cord from another device you have. Who knows if that
>>cord or charger will be sufficient for the new one? The only other
>>thing similar to this I can think of is electric dryers which you
>>have to buy a new cord. No one ever said use the one you got
>>laying around, they said this will be an extra expense for sure.
>
>usb power adapters are ubiquitous. worst case, use a computer to
>charge.
What if you don't have a computer? Worse even is the amount of time it
>In article <rqosmu$128r$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, badgolferman
><REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Itąs asinine to remove the łproper˛ power cord from a device which
>>requires power to operate. Itąs like not having a power cord for
>>your TV or electric toothbrush. The reason given is ridiculous
>>too. Take the cord from another device you have. Who knows if that
>>cord or charger will be sufficient for the new one? The only other
>>thing similar to this I can think of is electric dryers which you
>>have to buy a new cord. No one ever said use the one you got
>>laying around, they said this will be an extra expense for sure.
>
>usb power adapters are ubiquitous. worst case, use a computer to
>charge.
takes to charge from a computer. Never mind the fact that many people
sit on the couch playing with their phones and charging it at the same
time. That is the beuaty of handheld devices after all, complete
portability.
>meanwhile, a lot of devices do not include batteries in the package,
>such as radios, flashlights, toys, camera accessories and much more.
>remember the label 'batteries not included' ??
Is that the next thing we should expect from Apple -- no batteries?
>remember the label 'batteries not included' ??
>lawn mowers and snow blowers don't include fuel. crazy, but true.
Alan Baker
Dec 8, 2020, 5:29:38 PM12/8/20
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On 2020-12-08 2:25 p.m., badgolferman wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>
>> In article <rqosmu$128r$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, badgolferman
>> <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It¹s asinine to remove the ³proper² power cord from a device which
> nospam wrote:
>
>> In article <rqosmu$128r$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, badgolferman
>> <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> requires power to operate. It¹s like not having a power cord for
>>> your TV or electric toothbrush. The reason given is ridiculous
>>> too. Take the cord from another device you have. Who knows if that
>>> cord or charger will be sufficient for the new one? The only other
>>> thing similar to this I can think of is electric dryers which you
>>> have to buy a new cord. No one ever said use the one you got
>>> laying around, they said this will be an extra expense for sure.
>>
>> usb power adapters are ubiquitous. worst case, use a computer to
>> charge.
>
> What if you don't have a computer? Worse even is the amount of time it
> takes to charge from a computer. Never mind the fact that many people
> sit on the couch playing with their phones and charging it at the same
> time. That is the beuaty of handheld devices after all, complete
> portability.
Then buy a charger.
>>> too. Take the cord from another device you have. Who knows if that
>>> cord or charger will be sufficient for the new one? The only other
>>> thing similar to this I can think of is electric dryers which you
>>> have to buy a new cord. No one ever said use the one you got
>>> laying around, they said this will be an extra expense for sure.
>>
>> usb power adapters are ubiquitous. worst case, use a computer to
>> charge.
>
> What if you don't have a computer? Worse even is the amount of time it
> takes to charge from a computer. Never mind the fact that many people
> sit on the couch playing with their phones and charging it at the same
> time. That is the beuaty of handheld devices after all, complete
> portability.
Sorry, but is the ultimate tempest in teapot.
1. Look at the price of the phone plus a charger if you need one.
2. Decide if you think you're getting sufficient value for money.
3. There is no "3".
nospam
Dec 8, 2020, 5:50:01 PM12/8/20
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In article <xn0mmewqa...@nntp.aioe.org>, badgolferman
any kind nor another device with usb (television, router and many other
devices), both at work and at home, and nobody else in their household
has one or has access to one either, is basically zero.
but in the off chance someone does not have *anything* with usb, they
will need to spend $10 for a power adapter. no big deal.
or maybe they'll want to splurge and buy furniture with a usb port,
thereby saving $10 on the price of the phone.
<https://www.livingspaces.com/inspiration/ideas-advice/guides/furniture-
with-usb-ports-stay-plugged-in-with-these-smart-designs>
> Worse even is the amount of time it
> takes to charge from a computer.
there is no rush when charging overnight.
iphones will last at least a day on a single charge.
> Never mind the fact that many people
> sit on the couch playing with their phones and charging it at the same
> time.
nothing prevents anyone from doing that, although it's not needed when
a single charge lasts more than a day.
play all you want, then plug it in at night.
> That is the beuaty of handheld devices after all, complete
> portability.
it's not 'complete portability' if you're tethered to a charger.
> >meanwhile, a lot of devices do not include batteries in the package,
> >such as radios, flashlights, toys, camera accessories and much more.
> >remember the label 'batteries not included' ??
>
> Is that the next thing we should expect from Apple -- no batteries?
you're missing the point.
a *lot* of products do not come with batteries.
> >lawn mowers and snow blowers don't include fuel. crazy, but true.
>
> Fuel is hazardous and cannot be transported in vehicles.
you're missing the point again.
also, lithium ion batteries have transport restrictions due to
potential fires, which is why products with them now ship with a
minimal charge (they used to ship at near full charge).
<REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Itąs asinine to remove the łproper˛ power cord from a device which
> >>requires power to operate. Itąs like not having a power cord for
> >>your TV or electric toothbrush. The reason given is ridiculous
> >>too. Take the cord from another device you have. Who knows if that
> >>cord or charger will be sufficient for the new one? The only other
> >>thing similar to this I can think of is electric dryers which you
> >>have to buy a new cord. No one ever said use the one you got
> >>laying around, they said this will be an extra expense for sure.
> >
> >usb power adapters are ubiquitous. worst case, use a computer to
> >charge.
>
> What if you don't have a computer?
the number of people who buy a smartphone and do not have a computer of
> >> Itąs asinine to remove the łproper˛ power cord from a device which
> >>requires power to operate. Itąs like not having a power cord for
> >>your TV or electric toothbrush. The reason given is ridiculous
> >>too. Take the cord from another device you have. Who knows if that
> >>cord or charger will be sufficient for the new one? The only other
> >>thing similar to this I can think of is electric dryers which you
> >>have to buy a new cord. No one ever said use the one you got
> >>laying around, they said this will be an extra expense for sure.
> >
> >usb power adapters are ubiquitous. worst case, use a computer to
> >charge.
>
> What if you don't have a computer?
any kind nor another device with usb (television, router and many other
devices), both at work and at home, and nobody else in their household
has one or has access to one either, is basically zero.
but in the off chance someone does not have *anything* with usb, they
will need to spend $10 for a power adapter. no big deal.
or maybe they'll want to splurge and buy furniture with a usb port,
thereby saving $10 on the price of the phone.
<https://www.livingspaces.com/inspiration/ideas-advice/guides/furniture-
with-usb-ports-stay-plugged-in-with-these-smart-designs>
> Worse even is the amount of time it
> takes to charge from a computer.
iphones will last at least a day on a single charge.
> Never mind the fact that many people
> sit on the couch playing with their phones and charging it at the same
> time.
a single charge lasts more than a day.
play all you want, then plug it in at night.
> That is the beuaty of handheld devices after all, complete
> portability.
> >meanwhile, a lot of devices do not include batteries in the package,
> >such as radios, flashlights, toys, camera accessories and much more.
> >remember the label 'batteries not included' ??
>
> Is that the next thing we should expect from Apple -- no batteries?
a *lot* of products do not come with batteries.
> >lawn mowers and snow blowers don't include fuel. crazy, but true.
>
> Fuel is hazardous and cannot be transported in vehicles.
also, lithium ion batteries have transport restrictions due to
potential fires, which is why products with them now ship with a
minimal charge (they used to ship at near full charge).
Arlen Holder
Dec 8, 2020, 9:37:22 PM12/8/20
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On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 22:25:35 +0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:
>>lawn mowers and snow blowers don't include fuel. crazy, but true.
>
> Fuel is hazardous and cannot be transported in vehicles.
Hi badgolferman,
>>lawn mowers and snow blowers don't include fuel. crazy, but true.
>
> Fuel is hazardous and cannot be transported in vehicles.
I know you question "how" I know nospam doesn't believe a word he says...
o But notice nospam ALWAYS takes on a defense of anything MARKETING does
Notice nospam is increasingly _desperate_ to fabricate more and more inane
excuses for this new removal of basic functionality by Apple...
o Where Apple _will_ void your warranty if an old charger damages your iPhone
This nospam's inane excuses are becoming increasingly desperate..
For example, not only is fuel something that is flammable (as you note),
but the funny thing is nospam's own argument falls flat in that battery
operated lawn mowers usually (always?) come with their own battery charge
mechanism, in the box.
Besides, it's not like every brand of mower, including Apple, used to come
with "fuel in the tank" and now, only Apple removes that basic
functionality when they need to pay back for their surrender to Qualcomm.
o Apple to offset costly 5G iPhone components with cheaper battery tech
<https://groups.google.com/forum/topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/NXvxAutn4Lg>
Never forget Apple (apparently) told Brazil they will void your iPhone 12
warranty if your use of an old charger caused the damage (which it can).
--
One bug.... and the entire house of cards built by MARKETING falls down.
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/7Mc1sX9XISA>
HINT: iOS code dates to 1985 and Google proved it has never been tested.
Arlen Holder
Dec 8, 2020, 9:38:17 PM12/8/20
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On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 21:54:38 +0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:
> Itÿs asinine to remove the ´proper¡ power cord from a device which requires
> power to operate. Itÿs like not having a power cord for your TV or electric
You're one of the very few non-apologists on this newsgroup...
o Such that you (Ant, JF Mezei, & very few others) can see what is happening.
The fact Brazil stated Apple steadfastly refuses to guarantee they will
honor their warrantee if you use an old charger on a new iPhone matters
greatly to your point that _nobody_ would put in a new kitchen microwave
without replacing the old power cord.
Nobody.
a. Nobody would add a new electric range without replacing the power cord.
b. Nobody would install a new washer & dryer without new power cords.
c. Nobody would put in a new microwave without also a new power cord.
etc.
I think the point of the Brazilian & French governments agrees with your
position, in that no other company on the planet but Apple pulls these
tricks.
1. Only a half of one percent (e.g., almost zero) Android phones have
removed the basic functionality of a headphone jack. Given the huge
range of Android devices out there, that's essentially none.
2. Zero (and I repeat, zero) Android phones come without the basic
functionality of a charger in the box (as far as anyone has been
able to ascertain).
3. Apple removes this basic functionality for one reason, and one reason
alone, which is so that Apple can then sell it back to you.
4. I'm sure every company on the planet would love to have the ungodly
profits that Apple enjoys off it's gullible customer base, so if an
Android OEM follows Apple's footsteps, I wouldn't be surprised - but -
only an utter foot would buy that product (IMHO)... yet very few do
(as witnessed by the fact 99.5% of Android phones have the aux port).
5. In the end, the position of the Brazilian & French government is clear:
a. Apple _refuses_ to honor the warranty nor guarantee that the old
charger won't damage the new iPhone 12 (according to the reports).
b. In France, mobile phones must come, out of the box, hands-free
(according to the reports).
The fact Apple steadfastly refuses to guarantee they will honor their
warrantee if you use an old charger on a new iPhone matters greatly.
> Itÿs asinine to remove the ´proper¡ power cord from a device which requires
> power to operate. Itÿs like not having a power cord for your TV or electric
> toothbrush. The reason given is ridiculous too. Take the cord from another
> device you have. Who knows if that cord or charger will be sufficient for
> the new one? The only other thing similar to this I can think of is
> electric dryers which you have to buy a new cord. No one ever said use the
> one you got laying around, they said this will be an extra expense for
> sure.
Hi badgolferman,
> device you have. Who knows if that cord or charger will be sufficient for
> the new one? The only other thing similar to this I can think of is
> electric dryers which you have to buy a new cord. No one ever said use the
> one you got laying around, they said this will be an extra expense for
> sure.
You're one of the very few non-apologists on this newsgroup...
o Such that you (Ant, JF Mezei, & very few others) can see what is happening.
The fact Brazil stated Apple steadfastly refuses to guarantee they will
honor their warrantee if you use an old charger on a new iPhone matters
greatly to your point that _nobody_ would put in a new kitchen microwave
without replacing the old power cord.
Nobody.
a. Nobody would add a new electric range without replacing the power cord.
b. Nobody would install a new washer & dryer without new power cords.
c. Nobody would put in a new microwave without also a new power cord.
etc.
I think the point of the Brazilian & French governments agrees with your
position, in that no other company on the planet but Apple pulls these
tricks.
1. Only a half of one percent (e.g., almost zero) Android phones have
removed the basic functionality of a headphone jack. Given the huge
range of Android devices out there, that's essentially none.
2. Zero (and I repeat, zero) Android phones come without the basic
functionality of a charger in the box (as far as anyone has been
able to ascertain).
3. Apple removes this basic functionality for one reason, and one reason
alone, which is so that Apple can then sell it back to you.
4. I'm sure every company on the planet would love to have the ungodly
profits that Apple enjoys off it's gullible customer base, so if an
Android OEM follows Apple's footsteps, I wouldn't be surprised - but -
only an utter foot would buy that product (IMHO)... yet very few do
(as witnessed by the fact 99.5% of Android phones have the aux port).
5. In the end, the position of the Brazilian & French government is clear:
a. Apple _refuses_ to honor the warranty nor guarantee that the old
charger won't damage the new iPhone 12 (according to the reports).
b. In France, mobile phones must come, out of the box, hands-free
(according to the reports).
The fact Apple steadfastly refuses to guarantee they will honor their
warrantee if you use an old charger on a new iPhone matters greatly.
Arlen Holder
Dec 9, 2020, 3:20:26 PM12/9/20
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Thanks to Matt in this thread just now about Apple apologists:
o Clear evidence that the real factual problem on Apple Usenet newsgroups - is simply that apologists exist
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/mQsBECSbICw/m/lgI46TXtBwAJ>
We have a deeper insight into the French law requiring Apple to put back
basic functionality Apple removed, in order to make people buy it back.
"This french law[1] is not about providing hands-free phones
but about health concerns. Every manufacturers have to provide
an accessory for limiting the exposure of the head to radioelectric
emissions during communications.
[1] <https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/jorf/id/JORFTEXT000030212642/>
I had based my responses of the requirement on the last line of sms' cite:
o Want your iPhone 12 to come with a charger? Go to Brazil
<https://thenextweb.com/plugged/2020/12/03/want-your-iphone-12-to-come-with-a-charger-go-to-brazil/>
Which only referenced the French requirement in the last sentence:
"Due to a French law mandating handset makers must ship their devices with
hands-free solutions, the company had to include earpods with the iPhone
in the country"
Notice this doesn't mention anything but "hands free", but I should have
doublechecked my facts, where a quick check shows
<https://www.macrumors.com/2020/10/15/apple-france-earpods-in-box-iphone/>
"The inclusion of earphones is likely due to legislation in France
that requires all smartphones to include a handsfree kit to protect
children under 14 from the potential risk of electromagnetic radio waves"
I'll post followup details in the appropriate technical threads, but one
thing you'll notice, as will the very few adults on this newsgroup
(e.g., badgolferman, JF Mezei, Ant, et al.) that the apologists are
_incapable_ of comprehending what you seemingly immediately understood.
*Thank you for being the _only_ one who understood the French requirement!*
o I apologize to you, Matt, for lumping you in with the moron apologists!
--
One bug.... and the entire untested core iOS house of cards falls down.
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/7Mc1sX9XISA>
o Clear evidence that the real factual problem on Apple Usenet newsgroups - is simply that apologists exist
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/mQsBECSbICw/m/lgI46TXtBwAJ>
We have a deeper insight into the French law requiring Apple to put back
basic functionality Apple removed, in order to make people buy it back.
"This french law[1] is not about providing hands-free phones
but about health concerns. Every manufacturers have to provide
an accessory for limiting the exposure of the head to radioelectric
emissions during communications.
[1] <https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/jorf/id/JORFTEXT000030212642/>
I had based my responses of the requirement on the last line of sms' cite:
o Want a charger with your iPhone 12? Move to Brazil.
Want Earpods with your iPhone 12? Move to France.
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/qu_RTwBgsf8>
Which referenced this one cite:
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/qu_RTwBgsf8>
o Want your iPhone 12 to come with a charger? Go to Brazil
<https://thenextweb.com/plugged/2020/12/03/want-your-iphone-12-to-come-with-a-charger-go-to-brazil/>
Which only referenced the French requirement in the last sentence:
"Due to a French law mandating handset makers must ship their devices with
hands-free solutions, the company had to include earpods with the iPhone
in the country"
Notice this doesn't mention anything but "hands free", but I should have
doublechecked my facts, where a quick check shows
<https://www.macrumors.com/2020/10/15/apple-france-earpods-in-box-iphone/>
"The inclusion of earphones is likely due to legislation in France
that requires all smartphones to include a handsfree kit to protect
children under 14 from the potential risk of electromagnetic radio waves"
I'll post followup details in the appropriate technical threads, but one
thing you'll notice, as will the very few adults on this newsgroup
(e.g., badgolferman, JF Mezei, Ant, et al.) that the apologists are
_incapable_ of comprehending what you seemingly immediately understood.
*Thank you for being the _only_ one who understood the French requirement!*
o I apologize to you, Matt, for lumping you in with the moron apologists!
--
One bug.... and the entire untested core iOS house of cards falls down.
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/7Mc1sX9XISA>
Arlen Holder
Dec 10, 2020, 1:39:58 PM12/10/20
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On Tue, 08 Dec 2020 17:50:00 -0500, nospam wrote:
> you're missing the point again.
Apple essentially removed the warranty from the iPhone 12 box, nospam.
> you're missing the point again.
Alan Baker
Dec 10, 2020, 2:00:21 PM12/10/20
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That's just another lie.
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