uttarakhand uid 1 21012012

[amit chauhan]

Dear all,

 

Sending photos of some Blumea sp. Plant about 70 cm tall, aromatic, flowers as seen in photos, annual in waste places. Collected from Pantnagar, Uttarakhand (msl 250 mt)

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[Gurcharan Singh]

I have seen similar plant in Delhi, which I have identified as Blumea laciniata.

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[amit chauhan]

Thanks sir for the id

 

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[J.M. Garg]

Looks different from other images at Blumea sinuata (Lour.) Merr.

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[J.M. Garg]

Appears close to images at Blumea balsamifera (L.) DC.

[surajitno...@gmail.com]

May I ask what are the differences in the capitula here and those in FoI specimen - https://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/White-Flowered%20Fleabane.html?

It appears to me (I may be wrong) there is same capitulum in http://www.canbr.gov.au/cpbr/cd-keys/RFK7/key/RFK7/Media/Html/entities/Eschenbachia_leucantha.htm

What I don't understand is how it can be same as in https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/Zi04zKAoy-w!!!

Thank you

Regards

surajit

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Surajit ji,

May I ask what are the differences in the capitula here and those in FoI specimen - https://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/White-Flowered%20Fleabane.html?-> To me it appears different from Conyza leucantha as per images herein. Can not say about FOI.

It appears to me (I may be wrong) there is same capitulum in http://www.canbr.gov.au/cpbr/cd-keys/RFK7/key/RFK7/Media/Html/entities/Eschenbachia_leucantha.htm-> yes, phyllaries appear close. But lateral branches are creating doubt as per I did not find such at Conyza japonica (Thunb.) Less. ex DC. and GBIF

What I don't understand is how it can be the same as in https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/Zi04zKAoy-w!!!-> This appears to be Conyza leucantha (D.Don) Ludlow & P.H.Raven

The posted plant appears to be Conyza and one possibility I feel is Conyza sumatrensis (Retz.) E. Walker

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[surajit koley]

Sir ji, listed below are posted threads presently placed under the eFI head - Conyza leucantha :-

1. Dinesh ji 2011 = identified 23-May-2021 by J.M. Garg = https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/n-iWYxF7ink/m/AmzS82q9lioJ
2. Shivaprakash ji 2011 = do = https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/1vs1U6znHQc/m/TB8CyRk_cEcJ
3. Gurcharan Sir 2013 = 29 May 2021 JM Garg = https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/RDF2a2IeTk8/m/2dQM7o0P8BsJ
4. Saroj ji 2017 = first ID ref FoI, Oct-2017, then FoC in Jul-2018 by JM Garg = https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/VoysCHQulNI/m/u1LdMg8pBAAJ
5. do = 23 May 2021 JM Garg = https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/c4jpRScFXec/m/WMg2rBOGAQAJ
6. do 2018 = again 1st ref FoI then 2018 JM Garg = https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/nhfdNPlKjgY/m/WQuRRBxBBwAJ
7. Karuna ji 2020 = identified himself in 2020 = https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/8UYo6PVwbMk/m/RCiLaVTZAgAJ

During identification of all the above threads several names of various taxa appeared, like Blumea spp ..., another one is.Conyza japonica. 

If FoC is referred to, as an identification tool, as it has been referred at least in the some of the above threads; the identifying points, between C. leucantha and C. japonica, should be as follows :-

• ist checkpoint = stem viscid glandular or not = glandular equals to leucantha
• 2nd checkpoint = cauline leaves subclasping or not = subclasping equals to japonica

As you know, I am not a professional like most of the members here, it is quite possible that I may have many wrong notion, so please correct me if I am wrong in any of the following observations (of the threads above) :-

• none of the above posts shows glandular stem, except mohe by Saroj ji, which I think is water droplets
• cauline leaves are all stem clasping (subclasping) in all threads except the one by Shivaprakash ji, which is not clear to me

Thank you

With regards

surajit koley

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Surajit ji.

I think examining specimens from India of Conyza leucantha (D.Don) Ludlow & P.H.Raven as per GBIF vis a vis those of Conyza japonica (Thunb.) Less. ex DC. as per GBIF, may give some more clarity. 

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[surajit koley]

Sorry, Sir, on the contrary, seeing GBIF specimens of C. leucantha, I am more convinced on leaf-base character. Glands cannot be seen in herbarium, so I would not comment on that. In herbarium specimen, where most of the flowers are already producing achenes, I couldn't make out phyllaries characters.

In ray florets of C. leucantha, style(s) are pinkish (FoC) that can be seen in FoI specimen, and in Australian specimen ...  which I couldn't see in eFI specimens, except one, which may have those, but I could not find any gland there.

I have more points, but I would overlook those, because I cannot make measurements by looking at the pictures.

I didn't study C. sumatrensis, so I would skip commenting on it.

Please, do continue with the already established ids of all threads (of C. leucantha) because this is something beyond my brain capacity. 

Thank you

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surajit koley

[surajit koley]

Sir ji, did you notice that in Flora of China, flowering season of -

1. leucantha is Sept. - Dec.
2. japonica is Mar. - Sept.

Would it be very different in India?

Thank you

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surajit koley

[Saroj Kasaju]

Yes, in many cases elevation and flowering phenology in described in FoC and Fon in eflora are different !

Same may be in case of India !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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[surajit koley]

My fault, I addressed the question wrong way. The context was Himalayan region. I will move to relevant threads when it comes to rest of India.

Never mind, when FoC says flowering season it takes account of elevation too, i think, that is why range is sometimes extended.;

Thank you

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[J.M. Garg]

I am not convinced of this being a Conyza species.

I think it is closer to Blumea only. But unable to find match.

Can anybody help with its id?

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[surajit koley]

Please check the discussion hist9ry of this thread. I never claimed this is Conyza, nor even claimed this is Conza leucantha.

I only told to check all Conyza leucantha uploads before redirecting me to eFI site.

I didn't try to identify this species. I thought the chapter was closed. Now, I will try to identify it since it has resurfaced.

Thank you

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surajit koley

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Surajit ji,
I am talking of you, but myself.

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[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Surajit ji,
I am not talking of you, but myself.

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On Sun, 20 Jun, 2021, 10:09 pm surajit koley, <surajitno...@gmail.com> wrote:

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Vaneet ji

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try  Blumea axillaris (Lam.) DC.

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Lalithamba ji

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To me it looks like Blumea axillaris only

On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 9:58 PM J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

I am not convinced of this being a Conyza species.

I think it is closer to Blumea only. But unable to find a match.

Can anybody help with its id?

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[surajit koley]

No, problem, Sir ji,

Thank you

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surajit koley

[surajit koley]

Thanks, Sir, the id has been resolved.finally.

Thank you

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[surajit koley]

I differ on following accounts :-

1. At least 4 capitula in 3rd and 4th pic. show one ovate-triangular outer phyllary, with scarious margin
2. though pictures are not clear, yet both outer and inner phyllaries seem to be narrowly scarious. As per FoC, in Blumea axillaris, outer phyllaries linear-lanceolate, and inner linear, with scarious margin
3. the plant here is either densely villous or shows any glandular hair
4. compared with KEW specimen of Blumea axillaris, phyllaries are markedly shorter than florets
5. leaves are different and either densely villous nor having glandular hairs (of-course the pictures are ot clear)

Attached here KEW specimen of Blumea axillaris.

  At the same time I admit that there can be regional variation.  

Thank you

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surajit koley

[surajit koley]

Please read ("neither" in place of "either" AND "nor" in place of "or")

(1) in point no. 3 
the plant here is neither densely villous nor shows any glandular hair

(2) in point no. 5

Leaves are different and neither densely villous......

Thank you

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surajit koley

[Mahadeswara]

Excellent analysis. Finally what is the valid ID ?

[surajit koley]

Sir ji, I don't know yet what could be the id of this species.

As per Flora of British India (also FoC) :-

(1) Conyza belongs to ASTERAE tribe : where disc florets are yellow (rarely white)

(2) Blumea belongs to INULEAE tribe : where disc florets can be yellow, purplish, or reddish.

I am just beginning to learn asteraceae.

The leaves, here, are clearly lanceolate, the stem is woody, leaves have prominent whitish midribs, inflorescence subtended by cauline leaves.

Phyllaries, mostly, are rather lanceolate than linear.

I am inclined to Eschenbachia leucantha, based on observations at -

1. http://www.canbr.gov.au/cpbr/cd-keys/RFK7/key/RFK7/Media/Html/entities/Eschenbachia_leucantha.htm
   
2. KEW - http://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:77117977-1
3. GBIF specimen from India - https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2517073874
4. High resolution GBIF from unknown location - https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/1936483432
5. do - https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/1936483418

But, as I said I am only beginning to learn, I am open to any suggestion. 

Thank you

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[Saroj Kasaju]

I guess Surajit is correct !

Thank you.

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Lalithamba ji.

On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 at 20:30, Lalithamba Avadhanam <alali...@gmail.com> wrote:

yes, i agree with, it is Eschenbachia leucantha syn. Blumea leucantha

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[surajit koley]

" I am just beginning to learn asteraceae." ---- this part, Saroj ji ? :-D

Good night

Thank you

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surajit koley

[J.M. Garg]

My main worry remains that the spread of plant and denseness of the inflorescence looks different in comparison to images at  

Conyza leucantha and those from specimens at GBIF. Though I get one specimen which seems quite spread out. 

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[surajit koley]

Thank you

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surajit koley

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Surajit ji.

I hope you are not doubting the ids of posts at Conyza leucantha

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[surajit koley]

Your Honour,

I have only one single head on my shoulders and I wish to save it from the Almighty eFI Admin!

As a common citizen of India, the Constitution gives me the right to have faith in what I believe to be right. The Constitution also gives me the right to keep my faith secret!

Thank you

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surajit koley

[J.M. Garg]

Hahaha!!! Good one.

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