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Col. (Retd.) Bharat panwar

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Dear Mr Mohan,
 
Congratulations. I will request a copy of the order if possible.
 
May I also request you please let me know the correct e-mail of CE Dwarka, DDA as all the mails are getting bounced.
 
Regards.
 
Bharat
 
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 1:14 PM
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    REJIMON C K <reji...@gmail.com> May 01 11:20PM +0530 

    This is personal email from me. I hope it would give some of you idea how
    unite a residents could deal how mighty some corrupt people may think they
    are and get away. After all truth shall prevail and justice is guranteed.
    Its not an easy task but if your fellow residents support and stand with
    truth then it the win for the Truth.
     
     
     
    One need to try to resolve within and if such people dont listen then you
    will be left with no other option.
     
    After all we can't accept irregularities and mismanagement of Coopertive
    Societies.
     
     
     
    CBI ‘s FORMER DIRECTOR HAS BEEN SUPERSEDED from Housing Society MANAGEMENT
    BY Court of Registrar of Delhi Cooperative Societies.
     
     
     
    The Managing Committee headed by former CBI Director and IPS, Shri Joginder
    Singh of Nav Sansad Vihar, Sector 22, Dwarka, New Delhi has been superseded
    by the Registrar of Co-operative Society u/s 37(1) of DCS Act 2003.
     
     
     
    In an order, A.B. Shukla (IAS), Registrar said that the Committee has been
    superseded for not providing the records to the auditors (for 3 years audit
    were not conducted), for issuing wrong minutes of the General Body
    increasing monthly maintenance from Rs. 1,200 to 2,900 without General Body
    Approval, not following direction of Registrar in terms of Right to
    Information fee Rs. 15000 charged instead of Rs. 10, for turning down
    Members request for Special General Body and for not following the
    procedure while filling up vacancies of two flats. The RCS has also said
    that the proper time has not been given to it for uploading these vacancies
    on its website and the Managing Committee has fixed the price of these
    flats arbitrarily. The RCS Court appointed Shri. SP Marwah (Retd IAS and
    former State Election Commissioner) as Administrator. RCS also appointed
    the Returning officer for conducting the election.
     
     
     
    The Registrar also debarred u/s 35(7) (d) DCS Act 2003, Mr. Joginder Singh
    from contesting society elections for not conducting Audit within
    stipulated time.

     

    sandeep bhutani <sandeepb...@gmail.com> May 02 05:04AM +0530 

    Congrats to all common residents who.joined together on this issue. RCS
    officers received pressure from all corners ,but as is always there a few
    officials we can always find in department are always upright took right
    decision and threw out corrupt president.
    It took us residents a lot of toll and exercise to continuously follow up
    with RCS and in the end the truth prevailed.
    Thanks to RCS and specially Mr RAJESH (AR-CND) who took this bold step of
    issuing such order.
    It's lesson for all future MC to come and example for all other CGHS in
    this forum to not to bend to injustice.
    Special thanks to Mr Rejimon,who took this crusade against such heavyweight
    and was subsequently joined by many more members.
    Regards
    Sandeep
    Member NAV SANSAD VIHAR

     

    Virender Verma <verenderk...@gmail.com> May 02 06:25AM +0530 

    Heartiest congratulation to all !!!
    Your team work created an example for all others where corruption at his
    top limits
     
    Regards,
    Verender verma
     
    On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 5:04 AM, sandeep bhutani <sandeepb...@gmail.com

     

    Rajeev Sood <rajee...@gmail.com> May 02 08:57AM +0530 

    Can see a change happening. I am really happy for India .
     
    Rajeev

     

    goto...@yahoo.com May 02 05:41PM 

    Dear Reji!!
    Hats off to you and your team for the tremendous job done.Excellent job done!!Keep going!!we are with you!!Salute you sir!!
    Col Yogi
    Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel
     
    -----Original Message-----
    From: REJIMON C K <reji...@gmail.com>
    Sender: dwarka-r...@googlegroups.com
    Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 23:20:22
    To: DWARKA FORUM<DWARKA-R...@googlegroups.com>; URJA<urjabha...@googlegroups.com>
    Reply-To: dwarka-r...@googlegroups.com
    Subject: [Dwarka Forum] CBI's Former Director Removed from Housing Society for
    Irregularities and Mismanagement by Court of Registrar - RCS
     
    This is personal email from me. I hope it would give some of you idea how
    unite a residents could deal how mighty some corrupt people may think they
    are and get away. After all truth shall prevail and justice is guranteed.
    Its not an easy task but if your fellow residents support and stand with
    truth then it the win for the Truth.
     
     
     
    One need to try to resolve within and if such people dont listen then you
    will be left with no other option.
     
    After all we can't accept irregularities and mismanagement of Coopertive
    Societies.
     
     
     
    CBI ‘s FORMER DIRECTOR HAS BEEN SUPERSEDED from Housing Society MANAGEMENT
    BY Court of Registrar of Delhi Cooperative Societies.
     
     
     
    The Managing Committee headed by former CBI Director and IPS, Shri Joginder
    Singh of Nav Sansad Vihar, Sector 22, Dwarka, New Delhi has been superseded
    by the Registrar of Co-operative Society u/s 37(1) of DCS Act 2003.
     
     
     
    In an order, A.B. Shukla (IAS), Registrar said that the Committee has been
    superseded for not providing the records to the auditors (for 3 years audit
    were not conducted), for issuing wrong minutes of the General Body
    increasing monthly maintenance from Rs. 1,200 to 2,900 without General Body
    Approval, not following direction of Registrar in terms of Right to
    Information fee Rs. 15000 charged instead of Rs. 10, for turning down
    Members request for Special General Body and for not following the
    procedure while filling up vacancies of two flats. The RCS has also said
    that the proper time has not been given to it for uploading these vacancies
    on its website and the Managing Committee has fixed the price of these
    flats arbitrarily. The RCS Court appointed Shri. SP Marwah (Retd IAS and
    former State Election Commissioner) as Administrator. RCS also appointed
    the Returning officer for conducting the election.
     
     
     
    The Registrar also debarred u/s 35(7) (d) DCS Act 2003, Mr. Joginder Singh
    from contesting society elections for not conducting Audit within
    stipulated time.
     
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    "N. Ramakrishnan" <ramk...@yahoo.com> May 01 10:32PM -0700 

    Reji,
     
    Great. Fantastic efforts by the residents and this is called unity. I have seen the Order passed by this gentleman asking for Rs. 15000 for doling out information which otherwise should be in public knowledge.
     
    Let this be a good lesson (even for Mr. Singh) and all those high handed people should learn a chapter from this episode.
     
    Rama
     
     
     
    --- On Tue, 5/1/12, REJIMON C K <reji...@gmail.com> wrote:
     
     
    From: REJIMON C K <reji...@gmail.com>
    Subject: [Dwarka Forum] CBI's Former Director Removed from Housing Society for Irregularities and Mismanagement by Court of Registrar - RCS
    To: "DWARKA FORUM" <DWARKA-R...@googlegroups.com>, "URJA" <urjabha...@googlegroups.com>
    Date: Tuesday, May 1, 2012, 11:20 PM
     
     
     
     
     
     
    This is personal email from me. I hope it would give some of you idea how unite a residents could deal how mighty some corrupt people may think they are and get away. After all truth shall prevail and justice is guranteed. Its not an easy task but if your fellow residents support and stand with truth then it the win for the Truth.
     
    One need to try to resolve within and if such people dont listen then you will be left with no other option.
    After all we can't accept irregularities and mismanagement of Coopertive Societies.
     
    CBI ‘s FORMER DIRECTOR HAS BEEN SUPERSEDED from Housing Society MANAGEMENT BY Court of Registrar of Delhi Cooperative Societies.
     
    The Managing Committee headed by former CBI Director and IPS, Shri Joginder Singh of Nav Sansad Vihar, Sector 22, Dwarka, New Delhi has been superseded by the Registrar of Co-operative Society u/s 37(1) of DCS Act 2003. 
     
    In an order, A.B. Shukla (IAS), Registrar said that the Committee has been superseded for not providing the records to the auditors (for 3 years audit were not conducted), for issuing wrong minutes of the General Body increasing monthly maintenance from Rs. 1,200 to 2,900 without General Body Approval, not following direction of Registrar in terms of Right to Information fee Rs. 15000 charged instead of Rs. 10, for turning down Members request for Special General Body and for not following the procedure while filling up vacancies of two flats. The RCS has also said that the proper time has not been given to it for uploading these vacancies on its website and the Managing Committee has fixed the price of these flats arbitrarily. The RCS Court appointed Shri. SP Marwah (Retd IAS and former State Election Commissioner) as Administrator.  RCS also appointed the Returning officer for conducting the election.
     
    The Registrar also debarred u/s 35(7) (d) DCS Act 2003, Mr. Joginder Singh from contesting society elections for not conducting Audit within stipulated time.
     
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    Sareen Dwarka <sareen...@gmail.com> May 02 11:53AM +0530 

    Motivating fuel for all of us , who thinks that such changes are impossible
     
    Regards
     

     

    "Col. \(Retd.\) Bharat panwar" <bharat...@ris.org.in> May 02 10:58AM +0530 

    Dear Solanki Sahib,
     
    May I request you to please acknowledge receipt of my mail below. I would also appreciate if you could send me the response to the issues raised by me therein.
     
    Further, with reference to our telephonic discussion, as advised I spoke to Mr Kashyap, electrical engineer (hope I am giving the name correctly) regarding the street lights along Road 202 from Munirka Chowk to T Junction of the Rajnagar Dada Dev Mandir. These street lights remain non-functional most of the time. I have a feeling this is being done deliberately to take advantage of the darkness for dumping garbage, debris in the area along the side road and the main road. In the darkness large number of people have been seen boozing sitting under the bushes or in the cars parked on the side. This may lead to law and order problem.
     
    I request your personal indulgence in the matter.
     
    With regards.
     
    Col (Retd) Bharat Panwar
    President
    Nehru Cooperative Group Housing Society Ltd.
    Plot 16, Sector 7, Dwarka, New Delhi-110075
    Mob; 9811856730
     
    From: Col. (Retd.) Bharat panwar
    Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 4:37 PM
    To: cedw...@dda.org.in
    Cc: dwarka-r...@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Fw: Poor Maintenance
     
    Dear Mr Solanki,
     
    Will appreciate if the pending work could also be completed. The uncovered on the pedestrian walk are very dangerous. This was explained to the concerned Engineer but no action has been taken. The Debris and Malwa from the Pedestrian Path on both side of the side road need to be removed on priority. Just for your convenience the area is Sector 7 From Plot 17 to 12) and beyond.
     
    About a week I had spoken to Mr Arora, the EE (Electrical) to get the street lights repaired on road 202 (divider) right up to Dada Dev-Rajnagar T Junction. Nothing has been done till yesterday. I request your personal indulgence in the matter as it is related to security of the area and the safety of the citizens (blind man holes/pits/gaps you know).
     
    Will highly appreciate for a response please.
     
    With best wishes and regards.
     
    Col (Retd) Bharat Panwar
    President
    Nehru Cooperative Gp Housing Society Ltd (Arunachal Apts)
    Plot 16, Sect 7, Dwarka, New Delhi-110075
    Mob 9811856730
     
    From: Col. (Retd.) Bharat panwar
    Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 4:49 PM
    To: cedw...@dda.org.in
    Cc: dwarka-r...@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Fw: Poor Maintenance
     
    Dear Solanki Sahib,
     
    We thank you for repairing the side road in front of Plot 17 to Plot 13 ( only till Corner) in Sector 7. Though, I have not understood the logic of part repair. I am sure you are aware the condition of the side road from Plot 13-Ramphal Chowk- Siksha Bharti School-Air Force Naval Society (Munirka Chowk) in Sector is equally bad and needs urgent repair. This repair was done about 3-4 days back.
     
    Laying of fresh Tarmac to resurface the road 202 on Sector 7 side of the divider for 300 Mtrs in front of Plot 17 to Plot 14 only is quite confusing and intriguing. This was done about a fortnight back. Has the contractor run away or he has taken us for a ride?
     
    Shri Sharma the Engineer in charge has spoken to me yesterday informing about the repair of the side road, though a very delayed action, he has assured me that he would get the pathways on both side of the side road repaired shortly and have the malwa and debris removed from the pathways without any further delay. Hope he keeps his promise.
     
    Our aim is to help you and public at large. We seek your sincere personal indulgence for improvement of this area and consider this area also as part of Dwarka only.
     
    With warm regards.
     
     
    Bharat
     
     
    From: Col. (Retd.) Bharat panwar
    Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:11 PM
    To: cedw...@dda.org.in
    Cc: dwarka-r...@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Fw: Poor Maintenance
     
    Dear Solankiji,
     
    With reference to my earlier mails below, I am constrained to remind you that very little work has been done on ground. Some trees and undergrowth have been removed from the side road and Malwa has been removed. However, the road is still in bad shape. Since no further work/improvement has been carried out on the road and the areas around, Malwas is being allowed to be dumped on this road yet again. The concrete structure next Plot 13, though sloped but still remains a threat to the bikers/vehicular traffic and therefore some permanent solution will have to be found out. This side road right from Munirka Chowk through Ramphal and Plot 17 of Sect 7 needs to be done up on priority. Further, it will be in the best public interest if the areas where vacant plots are there, be lit up for the safety of the residents.
     
    Despite repeated written and personal requests, the foot paths constructed on both sides of the road have not been repaired /improved. This proves how insensitive our DDA is to the pedestrians. Slabs thrown on the footpath are disappearing daily systematically and by some design and causing discomfort and inconvenience to walkers. The tree/plant bases widened by removing some bricks are also thrown around the place in a very shabby manner causing great deal of inconvenience and discomfort to the pedestrians. This situation is prevailing for almost last one year but DDA has taken no action.
     
    “Man Made Kachda Dump” created right next to the main road 202 (next to Culvert in front of Plot 14 of Sect 7) on the side of sector 8 is intact and flourishing day by day and the stink is increasing day by day which compliments the stink of the Dirty Nala flowing underneath.
     
    I further request you to please be kind enough to the residents of this so neglected area, who are given an impression and address that hey are also part of DWARKA and rectify the above.
     
    With best wishes and warm regards.
     
    Col (Retd) Bharat Panwar
    President
    Nehru Coop Gp Housing Society Ltd. (Arunachal Apts)
    Plot 16, Sect 7, Dwarka, New Delhi-110075.
     
     
     
     
     
    From: Col. (Retd.) Bharat panwar
    Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 2:43 PM
    To: cedw...@dda.org.in
    Cc: dwarka-r...@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: Poor Maintenance
     
    Dear Shri Solanki,
     
     
     
    With reference to my mail below, I find very little progress in the work. Some work of removal of the debris and bushes has been carried out on the side road linking Ramphal Chowk Plot 12,13,14,15,16 and 17 of sector 7. After removal of debris and the bushes there is at least movement of light traffic but not without danger to human lives. I mention likely dangers to as under:-
     
    1. Some unmarked man- hole covers on the road are missing. Since this area is poorly lit, these open holes may cause accidents.
     
    2. The 1.5’x6’x6’ raised unmarked platform constructed covering more than half the road with electric poles on the other side of the road covering little portion of the road making it a dangerous spot.
     
    3. Right next to Sargodha (Plot 13) on this side road, there is a underground water regulator which is covered by an iron sheet. The cover of it missing for the last 6 months and has been a source of accidents and threat to human lives.
     
    4. The foot path on the drain passing in front of Plot 12 to 17 is not maintained at all. Some time back the work of widening the bases of the tree was undertaken by the DDA. The work has been carried out in a shabby manner; heaps bricks and stones are left on the foot path over the drain, the tree bases have not been done up properly, the slabs on this foot path are missing but I find some layers of cement have been put on the sides of some of the slabs to permanently fix them but while walking on them the slabs still remain loose. Despite my repeated requests to Shri Sharma, no action has been taken. He puts entire blame on the contractor as if DDA has nothing to do in this.
     
     
     
    After the removal of the bushes and debris from this side road, we observed that for next 2-3 days some 3-4 laborers were working to remove the left over soil/debris. This, instead dumping so manually collected soil/debris in the vacant plot right next to the road or ferrying it to some other suitable site, was put on the edges of the foot path/pedestrian walk on both side of this service road. This muck was allowed to stay there for 10-15 days by which time most of it fell back on to the road or disappeared into the green area or the main road. On my repeated requests, Shri Sharma did arrange to remove some of this soil but some of it is still left on the foot path in front of the Societies (Plot 16 & 17). Despite my repeated requests to Shri Sharma, nothing has been done. He only puts blame on the Contractor for delay and poor work. When told to have him removed, he says he has nothing in his hands, only senior officers can do some thing and then he washes off his hands.
     
     
     
    No work has been undertaken to do the side road on the other side of the Road 202 except some garbage truck had lifted the garbage partially from the dump right next to the main road next to the missing side road where DDA sign posting is placed.
     
     
     
    I am sure you will issue instructions to accord ‘PRIORITY’ to this area have the above attended to.
     
     
     
    With warm regards and Happy “New Year”- Col (Retd) Bharat Panwar, President, Nehru Cooperative, Group Housing Society Ltd (Arunachal Apartments), Plot 16, Sector-7, Dwarka, New Delhi 110075, Mob 9811856730.
     
     
     
    From: Col. (Retd.) Bharat panwar
    Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 5:35 PM
    To: cedw...@dda.org.in
    Subject: Fw: Poor Maintenance
     
     
     
    From: Col. (Retd.) Bharat panwar
    Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:54 PM
    To: ce...@dda.org.in
    Cc: dwark...@gmail.com ; dirh...@dda.org.in
    Subject: Fw: Poor Maintenance
     
    Dear Mr Solanki,
     
    The dozers have cleaned up the side road between plot 13 and 14 in sect 7. But lot of work is yet to be carried out as machines have its limitations. Nothing has been done to improve the pedestrian walk and on the other side of the road 202 in sect 8. Will appreciate for an action action.
     
    I also request you to initiate action to install high powered/intensity flood lights in the vacant plots between plot 14 and plot 13 in sect 7 and in the vacant plot across main road in sect 8. This will reduce the thefts of your slabs and other public property and will deter the people from dirtying the roads and plots. You may also consider regularly maintaining the greenery and prevent it from going wild which is an ideal ground for the antisocial elements. If the area is well lit no one will be sitting under the bushes and drinking which is happening right now. Under the circumstances it is very difficult for the ladies to move along this stretch after darkness.
     
    With warm regards.
     
    Col (Retd) Bharat Panwar
    President
    Nehru Cooperative Group Housing Society Ltd.
    Plot 16, Sector 7 Dwarka
     
    From: Col. (Retd.) Bharat panwar
    Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 6:26 PM
    To: cedwk@dda.@org.in
    Cc: dwark...@gmail.com
    Subject: Poor Maintenance
     
    Dear Mr Solanki,
    I am constrained to write to you that despite repeated requests to you and as advised by to your Supdt engineer Mob 9350975797, EE Mob 9899208595 and JE 9818356735, no action/improvement has taken place for the last 2-3 years . The things are getting worst. Some of the issues I am highlighting once again for your convenience and ready reference:-
     
    Areas;- 1. Side road running in front of Plot 17, 16, 15, 14, and vacant plot and plot 13 right up to Ramphal Chowk in Sector 7 in a almost in disuse because of the poor maintenance and garbage, potholes and undergrowth. The DDA has been telling me for the last 2 years that the tender has been floated but on ground nothing happened.
    2. Pedestrian Walk over drain in front of Plot 17, 16, 15, 14, and vacant plot and plot 13 right up to Ramphal Chowk in Sector 7, slabs missing/left over not fixed properly prone to theft. Why not put Kota stone to avoid frequent replacement due to theft. I had even told your subordinate staff to provide me the FIR and we will take it up with the police but nothing has been provided. Appears to be a deliberate act on the part of the contractor.
    3. Side Road along Road 202 on the Sector 8 side in front of the National Malaria National Research Institute from Dada Dev-Rajnagar T Junction to right up to in front of Plot 13 (Sect 7), Queen Valley School and Sector 9 is in poor state of maintenance..
    4. Garbage dump bang on the main road 202 right next to signage of DDA that this land belong to DDA and dumping of Malwa is forbidden and will be prosecuted. This dump is there ever since this board has been put two years back. Your subordinates when complained to, tell us that public should catch them reflects the non-serious attitude of the DDA in solving the public grievances.
    5. After cleaning the drain in Sector 9 in front of the Paradise,Millennium and Bhirgu Apartments the Muck is lying on the track for the last 15 days obstructing the movement of the walkers and forcing them to either walk on the side road or main road.
    I would appreciate if you consider our area also part of Dwarka and take care and maintain it so that residents do not have any discomfort and inconvenience.
     
    With warm regards.
     
     
     
     
    Col (Retd) Bharat Panwar
    President
    Nehru Cooperative Group Housing Society Ltd.
    Plot 16, Sector 7 Dwarka

     

    Virender Verma <verenderk...@gmail.com> May 01 04:25AM -0700 

    installation of RO System !
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    Bharadwaj g
    I do agree with yogesh g comments
    Logical as well as practical
     
    One more important thing to do is
    Lets all join hand to fight for water from government
     
    My society will support this moment
     
    verender verma
     
    Sent from my Windows Phone
    From: yogesh abbi
    Sent: 01-05-2012 13:36
    To: dwarka-r...@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: [Dwarka Forum] Increase in maintenance charges due to
    installation of RO System !
    Dear Mr Bharadwajji,
    I appreciate your concern and would like to confirm that individual RO syst=
    ems in the kitchens are much more economical than central RO system and the=
    basic reason is that the RO system basically required is for drinking=C2=
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    Thanx n regards
     
     
     
    ________________________________
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    To: dwarka-r...@googlegroups.com=20
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    Subject: [Dwarka Forum] Increase in maintenance charges due to installation=
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    Dear friends : =C2=A0Our CGHS was charging a good amount of money towards m=
    aintenance charges and since some members have now moved in their flats and=
    feel that the kind of water which is available in Dwarka, is not worth dri=
    nking, it was desired to install Central RO system. But due to this proposa=
    l, the Society proposed to increase the maintenance charges by Rs. 500/- pe=
    r month, which was resented by some members, terming that the increase is h=
    igher than the expected expenditure for installation and maintenance of the=
    RO system. However, the managing committee, appointed a group of 5/6 membe=
    rs to study the cost of entire RO system required for a society of 110 memb=
    ers and then give its recommendations on the amount of maintenance charges =
    to be increased owing to this system. Now, unofficially, it has transpired =
    that the Society proposes to double the maintenance charges in the name of =
    this RO system.=C2=A0
     
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 In the light of the above scenario, I request the hon'ble mem=
    bers of this forum to apprise us on the following points :-
     
    A. =C2=A0 =C2=A0What is the approximate cost of RO system required for a So=
    ciety with a membership of 110,
     
    B. =C2=A0 =C2=A0What is the approximate cost of its maintenance ,
     
    C. =C2=A0 =C2=A0As only 9/10 members have so far shifted to their flats, an=
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    the water requirement for the Society shall not be much higher, what should=
    be the reasonable amount to be increased due to RO system ?=C2=A0
     
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    a recurring cost also, =C2=A0because small individual RO=C2=A0systems can a=
    lso be installed in the kitchens for using pure and cleaned water for cooki=
    ng and drinking as well. =C2=A0A friend of mine who has installed small RO =
    system in the kitchen has also informed that small RO system in kitchen cot=
    s just Rs. 13/14K.=C2=A0
     
     
    R.D.=C2=A0Bharadwaj
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    y: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">dwarka-r...@googlegroups.com</=
    span><br><span style=3D"font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; fo=
    nt-weight: bold;">Subject: </span><span style=3D"font-family: Tahoma,sans-s=
    erif; font-size: 10pt;">Re: [Dwarka Forum] Increase in maintenance charges =
    due to installation of RO System !</span><br><br></body></html><div style=
    =3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new yor=
    k, times, serif;font-size:14pt"><div><span>Dear Mr Bharadwajji,</span></div=
    ><div><span>I appreciate your concern and would like to confirm that indivi=
    dual RO systems in the kitchens are much more economical than central RO sy=
    stem and the basic reason is that the RO system basically required is for d=
    rinking&nbsp; and cooking purposes.For all other puposes normal water is ac=
    ceptable.Some people may argue for clen water for washing hair,that too can=
    be taken from the kitchen RO and done with.</span></div><div><span>This is=
    entirely my personal view.People have the right to differ.Well!! Afood for=
    thought" Society elections therefore are more important than the MCD elect=
    ions...."<br></span></div><div><span>Thanx n regards</span></div><div><br><=
    /div> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; =
    font-size: 14pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: times
    new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <f=
    ont face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <hr size=3D"1"> <b><span style=3D"font-weig=
    ht:bold;">From:</span></b> RD Bhardwaj &lt;bluemoon...@gmail.com&gt;<b=
    r> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> dwarka-residents@go=
    oglegroups.com <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> =
    Tuesday, 1 May 2012 12:18 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subj=
    ect:</span></b> [Dwarka Forum] Increase in maintenance charges due to insta=
    llation of RO System !<br> </font> </div> <br><div id=3D"yiv1541452565"><fo=
    nt face=3D"verdana, sans-serif">Dear friends : &nbsp;Our CGHS was charging =
    a good amount of money towards maintenance charges and since some members h=
    ave now moved in their flats and feel that the kind of water which is avail=
    able in Dwarka, is not worth drinking, it was desired to install Central RO=
    system. But due to this proposal, the Society proposed to increase the mai=
    ntenance
    charges by Rs. 500/- per month, which was resented by some members, termin=
    g that the increase is higher than the expected expenditure for installatio=
    n and maintenance of the RO system. However, the managing committee, appoin=
    ted a group of 5/6 members to study the cost of entire RO system required f=
    or a society of 110 members and then give its recommendations on the amount=
    of maintenance charges to be increased owing to this system. Now, unoffici=
    ally, it has transpired that the Society proposes to double the maintenance=
    charges in the name of this RO system.&nbsp;</font><div>
     
    <font face=3D"verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face=3D"verd=
    ana, sans-serif">&nbsp; &nbsp; In the light of the above scenario, I reques=
    t the hon'ble members of this forum to apprise us on the following points :=
    -</font></div>
     
    <div><font face=3D"verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face=3D=
    "verdana, sans-serif">A. &nbsp; &nbsp;What is the approximate cost of RO sy=
    stem required for a Society with a membership of 110,</font></div><div><fon=
    t face=3D"verdana, sans-serif"><br>
     
    </font></div><div><font face=3D"verdana, sans-serif">B. &nbsp; &nbsp;What i=
    s the approximate cost of its maintenance ,</font></div><div><font face=3D"=
    verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face=3D"verdana, sans-seri=
    f">C. &nbsp; &nbsp;As only 9/10 members have so far shifted to their flats,=
    and another 7/8 members are expected to shift within next one or two month=
    s, the water requirement for the Society shall not be much higher, what sho=
    uld be the reasonable amount to be increased due to RO system ?&nbsp;</font=
    ></div>
    <div><font face=3D"verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face=3D=
    "verdana, sans-serif">D. &nbsp; &nbsp;Is it worth spending such a big amoun=
    t on this system with a recurring cost also, &nbsp;because small individual=
    RO&nbsp;systems can also be installed in the kitchens for using pure and c=
    leaned water for cooking and drinking as well. &nbsp;A friend of mine who h=
    as installed small RO system in the kitchen has also informed that small RO=
    system in kitchen cots just Rs. 13/14K.&nbsp;<br>
     
    </font><div><font face=3D"verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font =
    face=3D"verdana, sans-serif"><b>R.D.&nbsp;Bharadwaj</b></font></div><div>&n=
    bsp;</div></div>
     
     
     
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    Krishna <kms...@gmail.com> May 01 01:35AM -0700 

    One liner demand shud be if we don't get good water in dwarka before next
    elections, we will together vote to defeat u.. and we will do the same next
    time as well whosoever is ruling us..
     
    Now if we complicate things with good bookish things, they know we are
    divided and then no use at all at divided votebank can't dictate.. This is
    sad reality in politics i feel;
     
    On Tuesday, May 1, 2012 8:44:27 AM UTC+5:30, MKG wrote:

     

    RAJEEV SOLANKI <rajeev...@hotmail.com> May 01 12:42PM +0530 

    Worth reading and implementing
     
    Sent from my iPhone
     

     

    sushil kumar <sushil...@gmail.com> May 01 12:55PM +0530 

    yes.Its ugly but true.
     
    In fact corruption starts from here only but it is not visible because of
    two reasons:-
    1.Its small
    and
    2.We are directly involved and turn our eyes.
     
    Let me also say that unless we notice these small instances and rectify it
    it is out of question that we will be able to combat corruption from
    country after all it starts from home and reach up to the countries level.
     
    Most of the builders generate fund by taking signature from workers on the
    minimum wages amount and pay them very less.The are either unaware or
    helpless.Since they are helpless because of social status and less educated
    so we are helpless because you are supposed to be helpless as you are
    surrounded with these people.
     
    Think about others if you really want prosperity.
     
    Want to recall a song
     
    Chamka Pasina Ban ke nagina
    kali rat bitee re mehnat jitee
     
    it can be supplemented with another one
     
    wo subah kabhi to ayegi.
     
    sushil
     
     
    On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:42 PM, RAJEEV SOLANKI

     

    Krishna <kms...@gmail.com> May 01 01:27AM -0700 

    Root cause is corruption. If u see this as well somewhere or other nobody
    is making money without hard work except corrupt govt officials and
    politicians. The security agency will have to pay this and that person to
    get yearly approvals etc.. If some theft, again some mithai to policeman
    handling the case etc. So how can u imagine contractor to follow books in
    such environment..If they have to pay everyone for gettings things done, he
    won't pay full salary from his pocket.. he is doing business not charity...
     
    About per capita calculation, large population in Delhi is Bangladeshis and
    large no. of people are not registered anywhere so they are not counted
    while making earning calculations etc.. Than obviously delhi is flooded
    with black money so money flowing is huge.
     
    regards
    Krishna
     
    On Tuesday, May 1, 2012 12:55:59 PM UTC+5:30, sushil kumar wrote:

     

    M Jayaraman <jay...@teri.res.in> May 01 01:06PM +0530 

    Dear Mr Bhardwaj,
     
    Our society called Abhiyan CGHS Ltd had in fact a very huge RO system from
    the very beginning in 2001 itself, which is now useless.
    In fact we had a committee which looked into its revival but found to be
    useless. As such for RO you need a very good
    membrane for filtration. These membranes are not manufactured in India and
    hence they are quite costly. Also the committee
    found that even if we buy the large can water it works out to be cheaper.
    These RO are energy guzzling systems !!! Anyhow there may be
    much advanced ones but in any case it is not worth it.
     
    You can also check with someone in the ITC Apartments in Sector 3. They are
    using RO for quite a long time.
     
    M Jayaraman
     
     
     
     
     
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    soudipta adhikari <soudipta...@yahoo.co.in> May 01 03:55PM +0800 

    For members of 110 RO plant(ie 400 heads) is not recommendable.
     
    Because after installing RO plant , you have to recruit one person for monitoring the pH & TDS.
    You have to take out, some solution for the waste water from RO plant also.
    Then change of filters also to be done or you may give it on AMC which is also chargeable
     
    The cost 1500 LPH RO plant is Rs 3,55,000/-
     
    The best option is personal RO at your kitchen.
     
    Soudipta Adhikari
     
     
     
    ________________________________
    From: sushil kumar <sushil...@gmail.com>
    To: dwarka-r...@googlegroups.com
    Sent: Tuesday, 1 May 2012 12:35 PM
    Subject: Re: [Dwarka Forum] Increase in maintenance charges due to installation of RO System !
     
     
    Refer our series of discussions if we are unable to put pressure for water from DJB it is quite obvious.However coming back to your query investment is to be determined what kind of system u are going to installed with capacity.Once you decide this then only anyone can help you.Kitchen RO may cost u even 7k.
     
    sushil 
     
     
    On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:18 PM, RD Bhardwaj <bluemoon...@gmail.com> wrote:
     
    Dear friends :  Our CGHS was charging a good amount of money towards maintenance charges and since some members have now moved in their flats and feel that the kind of water which is available in Dwarka, is not worth drinking, it was desired to install Central RO system. But due to this proposal, the Society proposed to increase the maintenance charges by Rs. 500/- per month, which was resented by some members, terming that the increase is higher than the expected expenditure for installation and maintenance of the RO system. However, the managing committee, appointed a group of 5/6 members to study the cost of entire RO system required for a society of 110 members and then give its recommendations on the amount of maintenance charges to be increased owing to this system. Now, unofficially, it has transpired that the Society proposes to double the maintenance charges in the name of this RO system. 
     
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    yogesh abbi <goto...@yahoo.com> May 01 04:05PM +0800 

    Dear Mr Bharadwajji,
    I appreciate your concern and would like to confirm that individual RO systems in the kitchens are much more economical than central RO system and the basic reason is that the RO system basically required is for drinking  and cooking purposes.For all other puposes normal water is acceptable.Some people may argue for clen water for washing hair,that too can be taken from the kitchen RO and done with.
    This is entirely my personal view.People have the right to differ.Well!! Afood for thought" Society elections therefore are more important than the MCD elections...."
     
    Thanx n regards
     
     
     
    ________________________________
    From: RD Bhardwaj <bluemoon...@gmail.com>
    To: dwarka-r...@googlegroups.com
    Sent: Tuesday, 1 May 2012 12:18 PM
    Subject: [Dwarka Forum] Increase in maintenance charges due to installation of RO System !

     
    Dear friends :  Our CGHS was charging a good amount of money towards maintenance charges and since some members have now moved in their flats and feel that the kind of water which is available in Dwarka, is not worth drinking, it was desired to install Central RO system. But due to this proposal, the Society proposed to increase the maintenance charges by Rs. 500/- per month, which was resented by some members, terming that the increase is higher than the expected expenditure for installation and maintenance of the RO system. However, the managing committee, appointed a group of 5/6 members to study the cost of entire RO system required for a society of 110 members and then give its recommendations on the amount of maintenance charges to be increased owing to this system. Now, unofficially, it has transpired that the Society proposes to double the maintenance charges in the name of this RO system.
     
        In the light of the above scenario, I request the hon'ble members of this forum to apprise us on the following points :-
     
    A.    What is the approximate cost of RO system required for a Society with a membership of 110,
     
    B.    What is the approximate cost of its maintenance ,
     
    C.    As only 9/10 members have so far shifted to their flats, and another 7/8 members are expected to shift within next one or two months, the water requirement for the Society shall not be much higher, what should be the reasonable amount to be increased due to RO system ?
     
    D.    Is it worth spending such a big amount on this system with a recurring cost also,  because small individual RO systems can also be installed in the kitchens for using pure and cleaned water for cooking and drinking as well.  A friend of mine who has installed small RO system in the kitchen has also informed that small RO system in kitchen cots just Rs. 13/14K.
     
     
    R.D. Bharadwaj
     
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    Krishna <kms...@gmail.com> May 01 01:21AM -0700 

    Hi
     
    There are some ROs available on lease. Vendor charges Rs42/1000 liters of
    RO water + 2 Lac initial deposit + 2-5 years contract. This is generally
    cheaper then installing RO in short term obviously.. But groud water is not
    fit for bathing, pipes, tiles etc so RO in kitchen won't prevent rusting of
    internal society pipers due to hard water. So while calculating do
    calculate the cost of repair of whole bathroom pipes every 15 years or so
    due to hard water..
     
    Thats why I am mad about this issue and will never vote for a govt. which
    didn't provided us clean water in last 12 years of my stay in dwarka.. This
    of damange of rust pipes and now think what this water will be doing in our
    body inside and outside.
     
    So please don't stop if someone is trying to get this installed as its
    beneficial in long term.. It might be useless after 10 years but if this
    has protected ur body and pipes for 10 years then i feel it has paid for
    its existence..
     
    Regards
    Krishna
     
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