Once more, Ubuntu moves in the direction it should
Snit
-store>
When I spoke of the benefit of having a more graphical, less "geeky-text"
launch, I was told that was silly.
Luckily the Ubuntu people understand UI issues better than most in COLA.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Don Zeigler
> Luckily the Ubuntu people understand UI issues better than most in COLA.
Troll-O-Meter:
0---1---2---3---4---5---6---7---8---9---10
[^]
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Regards,
Don Zeigler
Owner/proprietor, Trollus Amongus, LLC
......gnorw og... gnorw og... gnorw og nac gnihton
Snit
9:44 PM:
> Snit wrote:
>
>> Luckily the Ubuntu people understand UI issues better than most in COLA.
>
> Troll-O-Meter:
>
> 0---1---2---3---4---5---6---7---8---9---10
> [^]
I can accept you are trolling - by why jump in and do so in a threat about
Ubuntu and how it is changing. I do not recall - are you one of the ones
who argued against me when I noted that Ubuntu would be better if it had a
better boot appearance?
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Don Zeigler
> I can accept you are trolling
The troll-0-meter was in reference to your post.
--
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Don Zeigler
Owner/proprietor, Trollus Amongus, LLC
...When the snow melts, where does all the white go?
Snit
11:13 PM:
> Snit wrote:
>
>> I can accept you are trolling
>
> The troll-0-meter was in reference to your post.
My post was a valid point about Linux - Ubuntu specifically. I noted, some
time back, that the boot sequence would serve the general user better if it
did away with the text "gibberish" (to the general user - not saying it
cannot be of value to others). I was told I was wrong... that there was a
good reason to keep the text flowing by.
Well, the good folks who make Ubuntu knew better... they are moving the
direction I said they should. And they - and other consumer distros - will
keep moving in (mostly) the way I have described, at least in terms of UI
issues. It is inevitable.
All those in COLA who have argued against me, of course, will not
acknowledge this - but desktop Linux *will* become more and more user
friendly and offer more and more choice to the distro manager (and user).
It is inevitable.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
High Plains Thumper
> Snit wrote:
>
>> Luckily the Ubuntu people understand UI issues better than
>> most in COLA.
>
> Troll-O-Meter:
>
> 0---1---2---3---4---5---6---7---8---9---10
> [^]
Yup.
118- Tommy: "In case you did not get it, I think the moral was:
Stop polluting the world with your infantile and obsessive
"writings". You give Mac advocacy a bad name. If that was your
goal you have succeeded! That also goes for all that bullshit on
your website" 11 Jun 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/03610d2080321d33
--
HPT
Snit
on 9/19/09 12:39 AM:
> Don Zeigler wrote:
>> Snit wrote:
>>
>>> Luckily the Ubuntu people understand UI issues better than
>>> most in COLA.
>>
>> Troll-O-Meter:
>>
>> 0---1---2---3---4---5---6---7---8---9---10
>> [^]
>
> Yup.
Neither of you is willing to comment on the topic. I noted an area of
growth for Ubuntu. And, not surprisingly, Ubuntu is growing the way I said
it would.
And it will continue to. Maybe not as fast or in the same order as I might
like... but Ubuntu and desktop Linux in general will continue to become more
user friendly and will continue to offer users more choice - no matter how
much people in COLA argue against me.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
TomB
> My post was a valid point about Linux - Ubuntu specifically. I
> noted, some time back, that the boot sequence would serve the
> general user better if it did away with the text "gibberish" (to the
> general user - not saying it cannot be of value to others). I was
> told I was wrong... that there was a good reason to keep the text
> flowing by.
Ubuntu has been using a bootsplash for ages. This is nothing new. It
seems that they just made the transitions between the different boot
stages smoother.
> Well, the good folks who make Ubuntu knew better... they are moving
> the direction I said they should. And they - and other consumer
> distros - will keep moving in (mostly) the way I have described, at
> least in terms of UI issues. It is inevitable.
Duh. Great insight there, Nostradamus :-p
> All those in COLA who have argued against me, of course, will not
> acknowledge this - but desktop Linux *will* become more and more
> user friendly and offer more and more choice to the distro manager
> (and user). It is inevitable.
In my opinion just having a flashy logo and a progress bar at boot
time is not user friendly.
<quote>
(...) it does remove the unsettling experience of watching
indecipherable text scroll past as the system boots.
</quote>
This 'indecipherable text' is a great source of information in case
something goes wrong in the boot process. Having it right there as the
system boots is what *I* call userfriendly.
I have nothing against Ubuntu trying to pimp their boot sequence. I
only hope they leave in the option to have a textual boot.
--
Alle grote zangers zen allemaal homofiel.
En die heteroseksuelen leren best nen andere stiel.
~ Katastroof
Rick
> <http://lifehacker.com/5362500/ubuntu-910-will-have-slicker-boot+up-
software
> -store>
>
> When I spoke of the benefit of having a more graphical, less
> "geeky-text" launch, I was told that was silly.
>
> Luckily the Ubuntu people understand UI issues better than most in COLA.
.. less "geky-text" launch... they are eliminating a flash of a couple of
lines of text ... big deal.
Hopefully they aren't also making it harder to get to the text console
to see the boot text.
--
Rick
Rick
... what indecipherable text scrolling past?
--
Rick
Stephen Fairchild
I get the impression that when non technical users see this kind of text
briefly flashing up on the screen they subconsciously relate it either to
viscera or some kind of black-magic incantation. I think it wise not to
scare new users. Most will play around a bit and leave. I think it's tragic
if the boot process alone manages to do this.
Further reading on why if you are going to do something properly you should
go the whole distance:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley
--
Stephen Fairchild
Rick
> Rick wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:27:19 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>
>>> <http://lifehacker.com/5362500/ubuntu-910-will-have-slicker-boot+up-
>> software
>>> -store>
>>>
>>> When I spoke of the benefit of having a more graphical, less
>>> "geeky-text" launch, I was told that was silly.
>>>
>>> Luckily the Ubuntu people understand UI issues better than most in
>>> COLA.
>>
>> .. less "geky-text" launch... they are eliminating a flash of a couple
>> of lines of text ... big deal.
>>
>> Hopefully they aren't also making it harder to get to the text console
>> to see the boot text.
>
> I get the impression that when non technical users see this kind of text
> briefly flashing up on the screen they subconsciously relate it either
> to viscera or some kind of black-magic incantation. I think it wise not
> to scare new users. Most will play around a bit and leave. I think it's
> tragic if the boot process alone manages to do this.
Why do they not get sacred of a BSOD and all move to Macs?
>
> Further reading on why if you are going to do something properly you
> should go the whole distance:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley
Go explain to Gates & Balmer et al. how to do something properly.
--
Rick
William Poaster
trolls, TomB was heard to say:
> On 2009-09-19, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
<snip Michael Snot Glasser gibberish>
>
> Duh. Great insight there, Nostradamus :-p
>
>> All those in COLA who have argued against me, of course, will not
>> acknowledge this - but desktop Linux *will* become more and more user
>> friendly and offer more and more choice to the distro manager (and
>> user). It is inevitable.
>
> In my opinion just having a flashy logo and a progress bar at boot time is
> not user friendly.
Ubuntu has done this for years. However the 9.10 Alpha5 version doesn't
have this, & I can see what's scrolling past.
Interestingly I found a "--PCI-Device-ERROR-- (non-fatal)" message scroll
by, a few times. Soon fixed it though, & reported to the developers. :-)
That's something I would *never* have seen if the flashy logo & progress
bar had only been showing, like the dumb Glasser troll wants.
> <quote>
> (...) it does remove the unsettling experience of watching indecipherable
> text scroll past as the system boots. </quote>
>
> This 'indecipherable text' is a great source of information in case
> something goes wrong in the boot process. Having it right there as the
> system boots is what *I* call userfriendly.
Yes, it's a great help when you can see what's going on.
> I have nothing against Ubuntu trying to pimp their boot sequence. I only
> hope they leave in the option to have a textual boot.
So do I.
Don Zeigler
> Neither of you is willing to comment on the topic. I noted an area of
> growth for Ubuntu. And, not surprisingly, Ubuntu is growing the way I said
> it would.
And you then threw in a snide, unproven comment about how COLA users. Why
didn't you just post the topic without resorting to a lame attempt to stir
up the shit yet again?
--
Regards,
Don Zeigler
Owner/proprietor, Trollus Amongus, LLC
...The 4 major food groups: fast, frozen, junk, & spoiled.
Snit
pan.2009.09.19....@kubuntu-jaunty64.org on 9/19/09 6:23 AM:
> On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 11:35:16 +0000, above the shrieking & FUDding of the
> trolls, TomB was heard to say:
>
>> On 2009-09-19, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>
> <snip Michael Snot Glasser gibberish>
>>
>> Duh. Great insight there, Nostradamus :-p
>>
>>> All those in COLA who have argued against me, of course, will not
>>> acknowledge this - but desktop Linux *will* become more and more user
>>> friendly and offer more and more choice to the distro manager (and
>>> user). It is inevitable.
>>
>> In my opinion just having a flashy logo and a progress bar at boot time is
>> not user friendly.
>
> Ubuntu has done this for years. However the 9.10 Alpha5 version doesn't
> have this, & I can see what's scrolling past.
> Interestingly I found a "--PCI-Device-ERROR-- (non-fatal)" message scroll
> by, a few times. Soon fixed it though, & reported to the developers. :-)
> That's something I would *never* have seen if the flashy logo & progress
> bar had only been showing, like the dumb Glasser troll wants.
I am not saying you should not be able to see those things if you want -
especially if you are troubleshooting. But, as I liked to:
<http://lifehacker.com/5362500/ubuntu-910-will-have-slicker-boot+up-software
-store>
-----
The new xplash bootup will transition directly from a BIOS
boot-up screen�and a newer GRUB chooser, if it's a dual-boot
setup�to a graphical loader with a progress indicator, and
then straight to the desktop if the user doesn't select a
username chooser or password protection. It's not a complete
design-forward rethinking of the interface, but it does
remove the unsettling experience of watching indecipherable
text scroll past as the system boots.
-----
So feel free to call the fine folks making Ubuntu "dumb" and label them as
"trolls" for wanting to make things clearly better. You will not be able to
stop things from getting better for users.
>> <quote>
>> (...) it does remove the unsettling experience of watching indecipherable
>> text scroll past as the system boots. </quote>
>>
>> This 'indecipherable text' is a great source of information in case
>> something goes wrong in the boot process. Having it right there as the
>> system boots is what *I* call userfriendly.
>
> Yes, it's a great help when you can see what's going on.
>
>> I have nothing against Ubuntu trying to pimp their boot sequence. I only
>> hope they leave in the option to have a textual boot.
>
> So do I.
>
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
9/19/09 4:48 AM:
<http://lifehacker.com/5362500/ubuntu-910-will-have-slicker-boot+up-software
-store>
-----
The new xplash bootup will transition directly from a BIOS
boot-up screen�and a newer GRUB chooser, if it's a dual-boot
setup�to a graphical loader with a progress indicator, and
then straight to the desktop if the user doesn't select a
username chooser or password protection. It's not a complete
design-forward rethinking of the interface, but it does
remove the unsettling experience of watching indecipherable
text scroll past as the system boots.
-----
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
9/19/09 4:39 AM:
Oh, I hope the text is still available to those who want it and need it...
any reason to think it is not?
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
High Plains Thumper
> Snit wrote:
>
>> Neither of you is willing to comment on the topic. I noted
>> an area of growth for Ubuntu. And, not surprisingly, Ubuntu
>> is growing the way I said it would.
>
> And you then threw in a snide, unproven comment about how COLA
> users. Why didn't you just post the topic without resorting to
> a lame attempt to stir up the shit yet again?
Typically Snit. Constantly true, then:
120- Wally: "Because by your own admission "honor and honesty"
are nothing more than a "game" to you, as such not only do you
wish to define the rules, but no doubt you will also attempt to
alter or bend the rules when inevitably things do not go to your
liking, for this reason I doubt anyone would be foolish enough to
play your game." 16 May 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/b9b3ed1ee20e5220
and now:
129- Fa-groon: "I don't read Snit period. He's been killfiled
since the first day I posted here. [....] I don't want to 'do
like Snit'. As far as I'm concerned, Snit doesn't even exist."
15 Aug 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/dcfbff305ba8b7f0
130- hophead: "I have been reading and occasionally posting to
CSMA for a long time now, since 1995 at least. There have always
been trolls and morons, but I've never seen anything quite so
disruptive as the Snit circus. Snit will *never* back down or
stop, and neither will most of his opponents. A good kill file
is your only hope." 20 Aug 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/3161a78667e299eb
--
HPT
Snit
AM:
> On 2009-09-19, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>> My post was a valid point about Linux - Ubuntu specifically. I
>> noted, some time back, that the boot sequence would serve the
>> general user better if it did away with the text "gibberish" (to the
>> general user - not saying it cannot be of value to others). I was
>> told I was wrong... that there was a good reason to keep the text
>> flowing by.
>
> Ubuntu has been using a bootsplash for ages. This is nothing new. It
> seems that they just made the transitions between the different boot
> stages smoother.
The more friendly it is the better... and friendly for the general user.
This does not mean you need to be overly fancy... just not "geeky".
>> Well, the good folks who make Ubuntu knew better... they are moving
>> the direction I said they should. And they - and other consumer
>> distros - will keep moving in (mostly) the way I have described, at
>> least in terms of UI issues. It is inevitable.
>
> Duh. Great insight there, Nostradamus :-p
It is pretty much obvious - but, for reasons I can only guess at - many in
COLA are against it. They argue against me. It is, well, weird.
>> All those in COLA who have argued against me, of course, will not
>> acknowledge this - but desktop Linux *will* become more and more
>> user friendly and offer more and more choice to the distro manager
>> (and user). It is inevitable.
>
> In my opinion just having a flashy logo and a progress bar at boot
> time is not user friendly.
You are not a general user.
> <quote>
> (...) it does remove the unsettling experience of watching
> indecipherable text scroll past as the system boots.
> </quote>
>
> This 'indecipherable text' is a great source of information in case
> something goes wrong in the boot process. Having it right there as the
> system boots is what *I* call userfriendly.
>
> I have nothing against Ubuntu trying to pimp their boot sequence. I
> only hope they leave in the option to have a textual boot.
I would not want them to make it impossible to get to... maybe have it show
up when you hit "escape" or something. No problem with that. Being good
for the general user need not make it worse for the advanced user.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
6:30 AM:
> Snit wrote:
>
>> Neither of you is willing to comment on the topic. I noted an area of
>> growth for Ubuntu. And, not surprisingly, Ubuntu is growing the way I said
>> it would.
>
> And you then threw in a snide, unproven comment about how COLA users. Why
> didn't you just post the topic without resorting to a lame attempt to stir
> up the shit yet again?
Do you deny that folks argue against me when I speak of making things
better? It is a common theme of COLA - I suggest more ease of use / ideas
for more choice and the "advocates" argue against me.
It is weird - and shows the "advocates", for the most part, really do not
get where Linux is growing and where it needs to grow to be truly successful
on the desktop.
Luckily folks such as Shuttleworth *do* understand that.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
jbydnRJXSrxoUSnX...@giganews.com on 9/19/09 5:22 AM:
Not sure the boot process really fits that. :)
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
on 9/19/09 7:21 AM:
> Don Zeigler wrote:
>> Snit wrote:
>>
>>> Neither of you is willing to comment on the topic. I noted
>>> an area of growth for Ubuntu. And, not surprisingly, Ubuntu
>>> is growing the way I said it would.
>>
>> And you then threw in a snide, unproven comment about how COLA
>> users. Why didn't you just post the topic without resorting to
>> a lame attempt to stir up the shit yet again?
>
> Typically Snit. ...
Poor HPT... I note the fact that he and others in COLA argue against common
sense.
If it bothers you, HPT, then *stop*.
As if you could.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
TomB
> -----
> The new xplash bootup will transition directly from a BIOS
> boot-up screen‹and a newer GRUB chooser, if it's a dual-boot
> setup‹to a graphical loader with a progress indicator, and
> then straight to the desktop if the user doesn't select a
> username chooser or password protection. It's not a complete
> design-forward rethinking of the interface, but it does
> remove the unsettling experience of watching indecipherable
> text scroll past as the system boots.
> -----
Again, the writer of this article make it sound as if prior to 9.10 there was no bootsplash
in Ubuntu. He's wrong. Ubuntu has been using a bootsplash for ages. It
has also always been possible to make it log on automatically. This
guy clearly doesn't know what he's talking about.
--
You teach best what you most need to learn.
William Poaster
trolls, TomB was heard to say:
> On 2009-09-19, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>><http://lifehacker.com/5362500/ubuntu-910-will-have-slicker-boot+up-software-store>
>> -----
>> The new xplash bootup will transition directly from a BIOS boot-up
>> screenļæ½and a newer GRUB chooser, if it's a dual-boot setupļæ½to a
>> graphical loader with a progress indicator, and then straight to the
>> desktop if the user doesn't select a username chooser or password
>> protection. It's not a complete design-forward rethinking of the
>> interface, but it does remove the unsettling experience of watching
>> indecipherable text scroll past as the system boots. -----
>
> Again, the writer of this article make it sound as if prior to 9.10 there
> was no bootsplash in Ubuntu. He's wrong. Ubuntu has been using a
> bootsplash for ages. It has also always been possible to make it log on
> automatically. This guy clearly doesn't know what he's talking about.
No, he doesn't, nor does the troll you're replying to.
High Plains Thumper
> TomB was heard:
>> from the brain of Snit:
>>
>>> <http://lifehacker.com/5362500/ubuntu-910-will-have-slicker-boot+up-software-store>
>>>
>>> ----- The new xplash bootup will transition directly from
>>> dual-boot setup to a graphical loader with a progress
>>> indicator, and then straight to the desktop if the user
>>> doesn't select a username chooser or password protection.
>>> It's not a complete design-forward rethinking of the
>>> interface, but it does remove the unsettling experience of
>>> watching indecipherable text scroll past as the system
>>> boots. -----
>>
>> Again, the writer of this article make it sound as if prior
>> to 9.10 there was no bootsplash in Ubuntu. He's wrong.
>> Ubuntu has been using a bootsplash for ages. It has also
>> always been possible to make it log on automatically. This
>> guy clearly doesn't know what he's talking about.
>
> No, he doesn't, nor does the troll you're replying to.
It is why many have Snit kill filed. The props he uses are
nothing more than troll bait.
119- TravelinMan: "I still can't figure out what's wrong with
Snit. Most people have him kill-filed and the few who don't
mostly restrict their responses to 'why don't you go away, no one
wants you here'. Just what would keep someone in this group with
all of that animosity? Must be some kind of severe mental
illness." 17 Mar 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/45197fbb46d491df
--
HPT
7
wrote on behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft Appil Department of Marketing:
> When I spoke of the benefit of having a more graphical, less "geeky-text"
> launch, I was told that was silly.
>
> Luckily the Ubuntu people understand UI issues better than most in COLA.
The Sheevaplug runs Ubuntu 9.04
There is nothing like putting a Sheevaplug in front of these designtards
and explaining with an attitude what wonderous geek object this is.
Its bound to make them puke while you point at them and LOL.
Sheevaplug - pure Linux geek juice!!!
-------------------------------------
http://www.marvell.com/products/embedded_processors/developer/kirkwood/sheevaplug.jsp
Not very often you get a high end distro like Ubuntu 9.04
and a cheap embedded Linux developer system that is also
capable of running a high end distro.
The $99 Sheevaplug is very much it.
You get a mains adapter size box with a plug to
plug into mains. It has ethernet link, SDCard, USB
and a mini USB serial port.
Nothing else.
No monitor port, no keyboard, no mouse port, no nothing.
Its also running on an ARM chip!
So what does it do except sit there and do nothing?
Welll..... its the ultimate food from the
gods sent to geeks!!!
Since it has 'nothing' you have to bring it alive yourself
and mould it to your whims!!!
It is pure geek wallowing in Linux from here on in...
First connect the mini USB serial port to your
Linux Ubuntu desktop USB port. Running dmesg in a console
window shows it has been recognised and installed as /dev/ttyUSB1
The mini-usb plug is very flimsy and such small connectors are utterly
dodgy!
If the ftdi serial port chip is not recognised then manually
install the driver:
sudo modprobe ftdi_sio vendor=0x9e88 product=0x9e8f
(My desktop is Ubuntu.)
You now need some software to talk to the Sheevaplug.
Install minicom with
apt-get install minicom
in a console window.
Then run
minicom -s
to and change set up for 115200 baud 8 bits, N for no parity, 1 stop bit.
Change the default serial device to /dev/ttyUSB1
Press return to save changes.
Press save changes as default
Then Exit minicom.
Then run
minicom
again, and now you are connecting OK to the Sheeva plug through the
serial port.
Login as root with password nosoup4u
(yup that is the default password!)
First off change the password to something you like with the
passwd
command.
You can issue command like
shutdown -r now
and see the computer shutting down and rebooting like a real
computer through minicom.
Log back in, connect up the ethernet, give it a few
seconds and then enter
ifconfig
It shows the IP address of the Sheevaplug.
Now you can abandon the minicom console and start another
bash console window and connect via ssh!!!
ssh root@ipaddress_of_sheevaplug
So now you are in and looking around.
If you have konqueror installed on your desktop computer,
you can also get in by opening konqueror and entering in the URL
fish://root@ipaddress_of_sheevaplug
to snoop around to see what other software has been pre-installed.
First thing to do is to get the existing OS of the internal
flash chip (to avoid wearing it down) and run it off an SD Card
formatted with EXT2 to minimise wearing down the SD Card.
The instructions are here
http://plugcomputer.org/plugwiki/index.php/Category:HowTo
(Choose from all the howto available in that document
and don't use EXT3, use EXT2 - EXT3 will wear down your
SD Card. I used a 16Gb SD card and set aside 1Gb for swap
space - excessive because I didn't want to risk running
out of space for later parts of the experiments)
Having transferred everything off the internal flash and booting
off the SDcard allows you the freedom to install
lots of new software.
First off tried to get this useful utility installed
apt-get install wget
But it came up with error message - the issue is that two
directories are always in RAM and can get filled - so it forgets
to create them whenever Sheevaplug boots.
So create these two directories to get apt-get working
mkdir /var/cache/apt/archives
mkdir /var/cache/apt/archives/partial
Then I test downloaded a file using wget.
I then copied out the file from the sheevaplug using scp command.
So in effect the sheevaplug has just become my downloader
device consuming 5W that can be left running all night if need be.
and then installed away more stuff like the following
apt-get install lynx
apt-get install rsync
apt-get install youtube-dl
apt-get install sqlite3
apt-get install bash
apt-get install xterm
(If your /var/cache/apt/archives gets full,
then reboot the sheeva plug and recreate the
directories again)
(installing bash might have been redundant - but even
if redundant, you can see how it reacts to the command
to see if updates are available)
then I did
apt-get update
apt-get upgrade
to upgrade the Linux to the latest version (but you may
have to do that before installing anything if some
of the packages got updated).
Then tried to get VNC server working
http://computingplugs.com/index.php/Installing_X11
Got that working.
(Be weary if you follow instructions to recompile from
source in that link to get xterm working
Your dependency checking may go out the window.)
And then got vncserver finally working!!!!
So even through Sheevaplug has no graphics card,
I can still get a VNC session on it going!!!
Then installed more complex software
apt-get install firefox
apt-get install pan
apt-get install openoffice.org
apt-get install mysql-server
apt-get install qcad
apt-get install konqueror
apt-get install xpdf
apt-get install dillo
apt-get install gnumeric
apt-get install abiword
apt-get install apache2
apt-get install dosbox (yes! and it works well!)
apt-get install kmail
apt-get install synaptic
apt-get install onboard (on screen keyboard)
apt-get install kwrite
apt-get install ytree
apt-get install mc
apt-get install streamripper
apt-get install mpg123 (mp3 player)
All in all 2Gb of software got installed.
Your luck will vary as the software is
constantly being updated (and broken)
so wait a day if something doesn't work
and try again. [My current install has problems
starting X and crashes first time but
second time its OK when running applications
like firefox.] Some things like gambas2 and
its libs are not in the arm repositories yet, so
not everything can work just yet anyway.
GUI software like firefox I can use
ssh -X root@ipaddress_of_sheevaplug
and then run
firefox
to get it to run as a remote X session.
Same with pan, open office, konqueror, gnumeric, abiword,
xpdf, qcad and dillo.
Apache server and mysql server is running!
Its turned the sheevaplug into a powerful server.
But also desktop features available too...
I ran pan (newsreader) and change pan to use dillo (webrowser)
instead of firefox and I get near full speed
reading newsgroups and browsing links
even through I am running remote X session.
Running firefox or dillo with remote X session
is also a safer bet - I can move all the dodgy website
browsing to the sheevaplug and change the SD card if some
dodgy infection is suspected.
For $99, the sheeva plug is 1.2GHz ARM with 512Mbytes of
RAM and 512Mbytes of flash and from the above
you can see it runs a full version
of Ubuntu very well!!!
The hardware is open and the sofwtare is all open source
so you can go make your own hardware and install as much
software as the repositories and memory chips/hard disks
can carry.
This post is brought to you from the Sheevaplug
running knode through a remote x session
on the main desktop computer :-)
Rick
Great. And AGIAN, ... what indecipherable text scrolling past?
Hint: you have to kit some keys to get to the boot text messages.
--
Rick
Rick
> Don Zeigler stated in post 1k26bvqy...@this.domain.or.that on
> 9/19/09 6:30 AM:
>
>> Snit wrote:
>>
>>> Neither of you is willing to comment on the topic. I noted an area of
>>> growth for Ubuntu. And, not surprisingly, Ubuntu is growing the way I
>>> said it would.
>>
>> And you then threw in a snide, unproven comment about how COLA users.
>> Why didn't you just post the topic without resorting to a lame attempt
>> to stir up the shit yet again?
>
> Do you deny that folks argue against me when I speak of making things
> better? It is a common theme of COLA - I suggest more ease of use /
> ideas for more choice and the "advocates" argue against me.
Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, you idea of "making things
better" doesn't coincide with others' ideas of making things better"?
>
> It is weird - and shows the "advocates", for the most part, really do
> not get where Linux is growing and where it needs to grow to be truly
> successful on the desktop.
>
> Luckily folks such as Shuttleworth *do* understand that.
Yes.. he has said that "pretty is a feature".
--
Rick
Rick
The article does mention automatic login.
Going to a graphical GRUB screen will be nice , IMO, but its no earth
shattering event.
--
Rick
Snit
9/19/09 10:44 AM:
>> screen?and a newer GRUB chooser, if it's a dual-boot setup?to a
>> graphical loader with a progress indicator, and then straight to the
>> desktop if the user doesn't select a username chooser or password
>> protection. It's not a complete design-forward rethinking of the
>> interface, but it does remove the unsettling experience of watching
>> indecipherable text scroll past as the system boots. -----
>
> Great. And AGIAN, ... what indecipherable text scrolling past?
> Hint: you have to kit some keys to get to the boot text messages.
>
How do you kit keys?
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[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Rick
Fine, fine... I made a typo.... Beeg Deel.... Here.. just for the menatly
challenged (you):
Great. And AGIAN, ... what indecipherable text scrolling past? Hint: you
have to hit some keys to get to the boot text messages.
--
Rick
Snit
9/19/09 10:47 AM:
> On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 07:30:15 -0700, Snit wrote:
>
>> Don Zeigler stated in post 1k26bvqy...@this.domain.or.that on
>> 9/19/09 6:30 AM:
>>
>>> Snit wrote:
>>>
>>>> Neither of you is willing to comment on the topic. I noted an area of
>>>> growth for Ubuntu. And, not surprisingly, Ubuntu is growing the way I
>>>> said it would.
>>>
>>> And you then threw in a snide, unproven comment about how COLA users.
>>> Why didn't you just post the topic without resorting to a lame attempt
>>> to stir up the shit yet again?
>>
>> Do you deny that folks argue against me when I speak of making things
>> better? It is a common theme of COLA - I suggest more ease of use /
>> ideas for more choice and the "advocates" argue against me.
>
> Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, you idea of "making things
> better" doesn't coincide with others' ideas of making things better"?
Good you see my point. Right. You and many others argue *against* things
that would clearly make things better... clearly you have different ideas.
Does not mean the ideas are of equal value! And, of course, the ideas I
have talked about are coming to be - even if not as quickly as I would like.
The status quo, which is so often supported in COLA (herd mentality), is
simply not going to stick around. It will change... and it will do so in
much the way I have said.
>> It is weird - and shows the "advocates", for the most part, really do
>> not get where Linux is growing and where it needs to grow to be truly
>> successful on the desktop.
>>
>> Luckily folks such as Shuttleworth *do* understand that.
>
> Yes.. he has said that "pretty is a feature".
OK. He has also said other things. Why focus on that phrase?
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Rick
> Rick stated in post pYKdncjGx-i5hCjX...@supernews.com on
> 9/19/09 10:47 AM:
>
>> On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 07:30:15 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>
>>> Don Zeigler stated in post 1k26bvqy...@this.domain.or.that on
>>> 9/19/09 6:30 AM:
>>>
>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Neither of you is willing to comment on the topic. I noted an area
>>>>> of growth for Ubuntu. And, not surprisingly, Ubuntu is growing the
>>>>> way I said it would.
>>>>
>>>> And you then threw in a snide, unproven comment about how COLA users.
>>>> Why didn't you just post the topic without resorting to a lame
>>>> attempt to stir up the shit yet again?
>>>
>>> Do you deny that folks argue against me when I speak of making things
>>> better? It is a common theme of COLA - I suggest more ease of use /
>>> ideas for more choice and the "advocates" argue against me.
>>
>> Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, you idea of "making
>> things better" doesn't coincide with others' ideas of making things
>> better"?
>
> Good you see my point. Right. You and many others argue *against*
> things that would clearly make things better...
Clearly... to you.
> clearly you have
> different ideas. Does not mean the ideas are of equal value!
Does not mean your ideas are of equal value.
> And, of
> course, the ideas I have talked about are coming to be - even if not as
> quickly as I would like. The status quo, which is so often supported in
> COLA (herd mentality), is simply not going to stick around. It will
> change... and it will do so in much the way I have said.
>
>>> It is weird - and shows the "advocates", for the most part, really do
>>> not get where Linux is growing and where it needs to grow to be truly
>>> successful on the desktop.
>>>
>>> Luckily folks such as Shuttleworth *do* understand that.
>>
>> Yes.. he has said that "pretty is a feature".
>
> OK. He has also said other things. Why focus on that phrase?
Because apparently he considers it to be important. Apparently as
important as synchronized release cycles, for instance.
--
Rick
Snit
9/19/09 10:54 AM:
>> How do you kit keys?
>
> Fine, fine... I made a typo.... Beeg Deel.... Here.. just for the menatly
> challenged (you):
What is "menatly challenged"?
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
9/19/09 10:49 AM:
> On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 14:32:03 +0000, TomB wrote:
>
>> On 2009-09-19, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>> <http://lifehacker.com/5362500/ubuntu-910-will-have-slicker-boot+up-
> software-store>
>>> -----
>>> The new xplash bootup will transition directly from a BIOS boot-up
>>> screen?and a newer GRUB chooser, if it's a dual-boot setup?to a
>>> graphical loader with a progress indicator, and then straight to
>>> the desktop if the user doesn't select a username chooser or
>>> password protection. It's not a complete design-forward rethinking
>>> of the interface, but it does remove the unsettling experience of
>>> watching indecipherable text scroll past as the system boots. -----
>>
>> Again, the writer of this article make it sound as if prior to 9.10
>> there was no bootsplash in Ubuntu. He's wrong. Ubuntu has been using a
>> bootsplash for ages. It has also always been possible to make it log on
>> automatically. This guy clearly doesn't know what he's talking about.
>
>
>
> The article does mention automatic login.
>
> Going to a graphical GRUB screen will be nice , IMO, but its no earth
> shattering event.
Not earth shattering - but just another example of where things are
improving. Where I have stated they should and predicted they will.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
9/19/09 11:03 AM:
Right. See, you can learn! But note how my ideas - the very ones so many
"advocates" argue against - are the ones the desktop distros are moving
toward. You know: less command line "stuff", more consistency, better
designed programs, etc.
Why do you think that is?
>> And, of
>> course, the ideas I have talked about are coming to be - even if not as
>> quickly as I would like. The status quo, which is so often supported in
>> COLA (herd mentality), is simply not going to stick around. It will
>> change... and it will do so in much the way I have said.
>>
>>>> It is weird - and shows the "advocates", for the most part, really do
>>>> not get where Linux is growing and where it needs to grow to be truly
>>>> successful on the desktop.
>>>>
>>>> Luckily folks such as Shuttleworth *do* understand that.
>>>
>>> Yes.. he has said that "pretty is a feature".
>>
>> OK. He has also said other things. Why focus on that phrase?
>
> Because apparently he considers it to be important. Apparently as
> important as synchronized release cycles, for instance.
So why focus on that one thing? And how do you think it is relevant? You
say a lot without ever showing you understand what you are talking about.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Rick
I think you have a highly inflated sense of your own importance. I also
think you don't really understand what you are talking about, regardless
of how many "usability studies" you have "taken part in".
>
>>> And, of
>>> course, the ideas I have talked about are coming to be - even if not
>>> as quickly as I would like. The status quo, which is so often
>>> supported in COLA (herd mentality), is simply not going to stick
>>> around. It will change... and it will do so in much the way I have
>>> said.
>>>
>>>>> It is weird - and shows the "advocates", for the most part, really
>>>>> do not get where Linux is growing and where it needs to grow to be
>>>>> truly successful on the desktop.
>>>>>
>>>>> Luckily folks such as Shuttleworth *do* understand that.
>>>>
>>>> Yes.. he has said that "pretty is a feature".
>>>
>>> OK. He has also said other things. Why focus on that phrase?
>>
>> Because apparently he considers it to be important. Apparently as
>> important as synchronized release cycles, for instance.
>
> So why focus on that one thing? And how do you think it is relevant?
> You say a lot without ever showing you understand what you are talking
> about.
Because apparently he considers it to be important. Apparently as
important as synchronized release cycles, for instance.
--
Rick
Rick
So, AGAIN, where is the scrolling text?
--
Rick
Rick
You are such a git. It's no wonder yo have no friends in the analog world.
--
Rick
Snit
9/19/09 12:52 PM:
...
>>>> clearly you have
>>>> different ideas. Does not mean the ideas are of equal value!
>>>
>>> Does not mean your ideas are of equal value.
>>
>> Right. See, you can learn! But note how my ideas - the very ones so
>> many "advocates" argue against - are the ones the desktop distros are
>> moving toward. You know: less command line "stuff", more consistency,
>> better designed programs, etc.
>>
>> Why do you think that is?
>
> I think you have a highly inflated sense of your own importance. I also
> think you don't really understand what you are talking about, regardless
> of how many "usability studies" you have "taken part in".
Nice dodge. Well, not really.
If you think I do not understand what I am talking about, then why - unlike
you - can I support my views so well? And why is desktop Linux moving
toward fixing the problems I have talked about?
Do not worry - it is not like I expect you to really answer. :)
...
>>>>> Yes.. he has said that "pretty is a feature".
>>>>
>>>> OK. He has also said other things. Why focus on that phrase?
>>>
>>> Because apparently he considers it to be important. Apparently as
>>> important as synchronized release cycles, for instance.
>>
>> So why focus on that one thing? And how do you think it is relevant?
>> You say a lot without ever showing you understand what you are talking
>> about.
>
> Because apparently he considers it to be important. Apparently as
> important as synchronized release cycles, for instance.
See: you do not support your comments well at all!
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
9/19/09 12:55 PM:
Funny how you have to make up stories about people to try to feel better
about your self.
No.
Not funny. Sad. Very, very sad.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
9/19/09 12:53 PM:
...
>>> Going to a graphical GRUB screen will be nice , IMO, but its no earth
>>> shattering event.
>>
>> Not earth shattering - but just another example of where things are
>> improving. Where I have stated they should and predicted they will.
>
> So, AGAIN, where is the scrolling text?
Boot Ubuntu. Look at the screen. Wow. Text.
That was hard! Do you need a video?
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/text.mov>
LOL!
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[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Gregory Shearman
> On 2009-09-19, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>> boot-up screen‹and a newer GRUB chooser, if it's a dual-boot
>> setup‹to a graphical loader with a progress indicator, and
>> then straight to the desktop if the user doesn't select a
>> username chooser or password protection. It's not a complete
>> design-forward rethinking of the interface, but it does remove
>> the unsettling experience of watching indecipherable text scroll
>> past as the system boots. -----
>
> Again, the writer of this article make it sound as if prior to 9.10
> there was no bootsplash in Ubuntu. He's wrong. Ubuntu has been using a
> bootsplash for ages. It has also always been possible to make it log
> on automatically. This guy clearly doesn't know what he's talking
> about.
I use a bootsplash on my Gentoo boxes. I have done so for more than four
years. You have keyboard control and can change from a graphical to a
text boot with a simple keypress (F2, or while the initramfs is booting,
ALT-F1). It even explains the keypress to hit to get your text boot
while the graphical boot is in progress.
--
Regards,
Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power
Rick
> Rick stated in post FvOdnaZ9tYcOqyjX...@supernews.com on
> 9/19/09 12:52 PM:
>
> ...
>>>>> clearly you have
>>>>> different ideas. Does not mean the ideas are of equal value!
>>>>
>>>> Does not mean your ideas are of equal value.
>>>
>>> Right. See, you can learn! But note how my ideas - the very ones so
>>> many "advocates" argue against - are the ones the desktop distros are
>>> moving toward. You know: less command line "stuff", more consistency,
>>> better designed programs, etc.
>>>
>>> Why do you think that is?
>>
>> I think you have a highly inflated sense of your own importance. I also
>> think you don't really understand what you are talking about,
>> regardless of how many "usability studies" you have "taken part in".
>
> Nice dodge. Well, not really.
>
> If you think I do not understand what I am talking about, then why -
> unlike you - can I support my views so well?
ahaha haa aha hahah ahah ahh ahah haha ha ...
Oh, you were serious ?
Aha h Ahahah HAha HHAha hah haha ha HA ha aha ...
> And why is desktop Linux
> moving toward fixing the problems I have talked about?
.. because you parrot industry developers and then tell everyone how the
leaders agree with you ....
>
> Do not worry - it is not like I expect you to really answer. :) ...
I am glad to dash your expectations whenever possible.
>
>>>>>> Yes.. he has said that "pretty is a feature".
>>>>>
>>>>> OK. He has also said other things. Why focus on that phrase?
>>>>
>>>> Because apparently he considers it to be important. Apparently as
>>>> important as synchronized release cycles, for instance.
>>>
>>> So why focus on that one thing? And how do you think it is relevant?
>>> You say a lot without ever showing you understand what you are talking
>>> about.
>>
>> Because apparently he considers it to be important. Apparently as
>> important as synchronized release cycles, for instance.
>
> See: you do not support your comments well at all!
See.. you show you cannot understand any viewpoint different than yours.
--
Rick
Rick
Do us all a favor.. go self-qualify for a Darwin Award.
--
Rick
Rick
... scrolling text... where is the scrolling text? Why don't you post one
of your infamous movies?
I am looking at Hardy boot right now... no scrolling text.
--
Rick
Snit
9/19/09 1:24 PM:
Hint - look at the link to "text.mov", above. Yes, that is a video.
Surprise!
> I am looking at Hardy boot right now... no scrolling text.
Show evidence of this.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
9/19/09 1:21 PM:
Show me how!
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
9/19/09 1:20 PM:
You are boring. You act like you do not even know how poor you are at
supporting your claims.
--
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Don Zeigler
> You are boring.
>
I dunno, he seems to be holding your interest...
--
Regards,
Don Zeigler
Owner/proprietor, Trollus Amongus, LLC
...You're so vain / I bet you think this tagline's about you
Snit
> Snit wrote:
>
>> You are boring.
>>
>
> I dunno, he seems to be holding your interest...
Hmmm, hard to argue with. :)
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Peter Köhlmann
In Suse there has not been scrolling text since several years
you *can* easily get it by hitting ESC any time during the bootsplash. But
the default is an animated boot splash, and has been since at least the
Suse9.x series (I think even earlier)
Snot Michael Glasser is full of it, as usual
--
Only two things are infinite,
the Universe and Stupidity.
And I'm not quite sure about the former.
- Albert Einstein
Hadron
> Snit wrote:
>
>> You are boring.
>>
>
> I dunno, he seems to be holding your interest...
The same as Marti holds yours....
Don Zeigler
> The same as Marti holds yours....
>
Indulging in some of your sweaty little fantasies, freak?
--
Regards,
Don Zeigler
Owner/proprietor, Trollus Amongus, LLC
...# of Vulcans needed to replace a bulb? Precisely 1.000
Hadron
> Hadron wrote:
>
>> The same as Marti holds yours....
>>
>
> Indulging in some of your sweaty little fantasies, freak?
I don't know what you mean. Oh! Hang on. Yuck. Your dirty mind again
Don. You'll be getting Marti all hot under the collar.
High Plains Thumper
> Hadron wrote:
>
>> The same as Marti holds yours....
>
> Indulging in some of your sweaty little fantasies, freak?
LOL!
--
HPT
Rick
How do I show evidence to you of something I am doing right now?
--
Rick
Rick
I highly doubt I could qualify for a Darwin award. You, however ...
--
Rick
High Plains Thumper
> Snit wrote:
>> Don Zeigler stated:
>>> Snit wrote:
>>>
>>>> Neither of you is willing to comment on the topic. I
>>>> noted an area of growth for Ubuntu. And, not
>>>> surprisingly, Ubuntu is growing the way I said it would.
>>>
>>> And you then threw in a snide, unproven comment about how
>>> COLA users. Why didn't you just post the topic without
>>> resorting to a lame attempt to stir up the shit yet again?
>>
>> Do you deny that folks argue against me when I speak of
>> making things better? It is a common theme of COLA - I
>> suggest more ease of use / ideas for more choice and the
>> "advocates" argue against me.
>
> Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, you idea of
> "making things better" doesn't coincide with others' ideas of
> making things better"?
Rick, Snit is best handled inside a kill file. No matter how
much you discuss common sense issues and counter his lies, ad
hominems, forged evidence, setting up straw men and changing goal
posts, he will continue to deny it, getting more nasty and
senseless as time goes on. I kill filed him and haven't
regretted it. Hundreds of others also.
130 poster quotes on the Snit circus of pathological lies:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/ce125e2352aa9786
--
HPT
Hadron
> On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 07:30:15 -0700, Snit wrote:
>
>> Don Zeigler stated in post 1k26bvqy...@this.domain.or.that on
>> 9/19/09 6:30 AM:
>>
>>> Snit wrote:
>>>
>>>> Neither of you is willing to comment on the topic. I noted an area of
>>>> growth for Ubuntu. And, not surprisingly, Ubuntu is growing the way I
>>>> said it would.
>>>
>>> And you then threw in a snide, unproven comment about how COLA users.
>>> Why didn't you just post the topic without resorting to a lame attempt
>>> to stir up the shit yet again?
>>
>> Do you deny that folks argue against me when I speak of making things
>> better? It is a common theme of COLA - I suggest more ease of use /
>> ideas for more choice and the "advocates" argue against me.
>
> Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, you idea of "making things
> better" doesn't coincide with others' ideas of making things better"?
Have you not yet figured out that you do not have the slighted clue
about usability standards?
>
>>
>> It is weird - and shows the "advocates", for the most part, really do
>> not get where Linux is growing and where it needs to grow to be truly
>> successful on the desktop.
>>
>> Luckily folks such as Shuttleworth *do* understand that.
>
> Yes.. he has said that "pretty is a feature".
It's nothing to do with "pretty". It's to do with a consistent UI. How
can you STILL not understand that? Why do you think there are all these
guidelines?
Jimmyjohn
"High Plains Thumper" <H...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:4ab57dbb$1...@news.x-privat.org...
> Rick wrote:
>> Snit wrote:
>>> Don Zeigler stated:
>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Neither of you is willing to comment on the topic. I
>>>>> noted an area of growth for Ubuntu. And, not
>>>>> surprisingly, Ubuntu is growing the way I said it would.
>>>>
>>>> And you then threw in a snide, unproven comment about how
>>>> COLA users. Why didn't you just post the topic without
>>>> resorting to a lame attempt to stir up the shit yet again?>>>
>>> Do you deny that folks argue against me when I speak of
>>> making things better? It is a common theme of COLA - I
>>> suggest more ease of use / ideas for more choice and the
>>> "advocates" argue against me.
>>
>> Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, you idea of
>> "making things better" doesn't coincide with others' ideas of
>> making things better"?
>
> Rick, Snit is best handled inside a kill file. No matter how
> much you discuss common sense issues and counter his lies, ad
> hominems, forged evidence, setting up straw men and changing goal
> posts, he will continue to deny it, getting more nasty and
> senseless as time goes on. I kill filed him and haven't
> regretted it. Hundreds of others also.
The KF, strictly for those who cannot win. Snit had you chasing your tail
like a rabid cur. You are now feebly attempting to take your defeat and
turn it into a victory. How contemptible. You only have ashes.
YKW
Moshe Goldfarb
High Plains Thumper, AKA Wendy ToiletWater and a whole host of
other nyms is a perpetual joke over in COLA.
He's a washed up has been non contender who is bitter because
every time he nymshifts, he gets caught.
Usually within 5 posts or so.
High Plains Thumper
> High Plains Thumper wrote...
X-Complaints-To: ab...@teranews.com
Snit sock, but kill filter is now fixed.
--
HPT
Moshe Goldfarb
Netkopping?
So now the OSS propoent of open, and free and so forth doesn't
like what people say so he tries to limit their free speech
rights.
Typical phony Linux loon, High Plains Thumper = Wendy
ToiletWater = George Hostler....
Don Zeigler
> The
>
*Yawn*
PLONK
--
Regards,
Don Zeigler
Owner/proprietor, Trollus Amongus, LLC
...I misplaced my dictionary. Now I'm at a loss for words.
Don Zeigler
> Netkopping?
>
How is using a filter netkopping, flatty?
--
Regards,
Don Zeigler
Owner/proprietor, Trollus Amongus, LLC
...How do you tell when you run out of invisible ink?
Snit
9/19/09 3:41 PM:
I made you a video. Why can't you do the same?
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
5:56 PM:
> Rick wrote:
>> Snit wrote:
>>> Don Zeigler stated:
>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Neither of you is willing to comment on the topic. I
>>>>> noted an area of growth for Ubuntu. And, not
>>>>> surprisingly, Ubuntu is growing the way I said it would.
>>>>
>>>> And you then threw in a snide, unproven comment about how
>>>> COLA users. Why didn't you just post the topic without
>>>> resorting to a lame attempt to stir up the shit yet again?
>>>
>>> Do you deny that folks argue against me when I speak of
>>> making things better? It is a common theme of COLA - I
>>> suggest more ease of use / ideas for more choice and the
>>> "advocates" argue against me.
>>
>> Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, you idea of
>> "making things better" doesn't coincide with others' ideas of
>> making things better"?
>
> Rick, Snit is best handled inside a kill file. No matter how
> much you discuss common sense issues and counter his lies, ad
> hominems, forged evidence, setting up straw men and changing goal
> posts, he will continue to deny it, getting more nasty and
> senseless as time goes on. I kill filed him and haven't
> regretted it. Hundreds of others also.
You were just mad you could not follow simple copy and paste procedures.
Been lashing out ever since. Just weird.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
PM:
HPT is mad he could not follow *simple* copy and paste procedures, even with
a video:
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/UbuntuCP.mov>
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
on 9/19/09 6:20 PM:
Ah, the Carrollesque BS of calling all who speak the truth my "sock".
Boring.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Moshe Goldfarb
> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>
>> Netkopping?
>>
>
> How is using a filter netkopping, flatty?
He reported him to his ISP/Newsserver....
Rick
You made me a video? My very own video? Where is -my- video?
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Ruel Smith
>
> My post was a valid point about Linux - Ubuntu specifically. I noted, some
> time back, that the boot sequence would serve the general user better if it
> did away with the text "gibberish" (to the general user - not saying it
> cannot be of value to others).
It all depends on the direction a given distribution is taking. Grub
bootloader instruction, selection from the menu and boot sequence are
unnecessary for Joe User. An escape switch or key that can toggle the
textual information would be a lot cleaner approach.
> All those in COLA who have argued against me, of course, will not
> acknowledge this - but desktop Linux *will* become more and more user
> friendly and offer more and more choice to the distro manager (and user).
> It is inevitable.
Correct. Distributions such as Slackware, Debian and Gentoo will keep on
providing different installation and usage methodologies that will
attract the more technical and/or experienced users. Ubuntu will
become more Joe User friendly and the experienced might not like it
eventually.
Ruel Smith
> On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 10:51:12 -0700, Snit wrote:
>
>>> Great. And AGIAN, ... what indecipherable text scrolling past? Hint:
>>> you have to kit some keys to get to the boot text messages.
>>>
>> How do you kit keys?
>
> Fine, fine... I made a typo.... Beeg Deel....
You mean Big Deal?
> Here.. just for the menatly
> challenged (you):
You mean Mentally?
>
> Great. And AGIAN,
You mean Again?
I am just pulling your leg. Typo's aren't always a problem; they
can be funny sometimes.
Snit
9/19/09 9:51 PM:
You still have not seen the link? LOL!
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/text.mov>
Would you like your name added to it?
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Snit
9:59 PM:
> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> said on 2009-09-19:
>>
>> My post was a valid point about Linux - Ubuntu specifically. I noted, some
>> time back, that the boot sequence would serve the general user better if it
>> did away with the text "gibberish" (to the general user - not saying it
>> cannot be of value to others).
>
> It all depends on the direction a given distribution is taking. Grub
> bootloader instruction, selection from the menu and boot sequence are
> unnecessary for Joe User. An escape switch or key that can toggle the
> textual information would be a lot cleaner approach.
No argument here... I am not for making such info hard to get to by those
who want it or need it. Heck, have a setting where you can show it by
default - no button needed. Just to not subject Joe User to that.
>> All those in COLA who have argued against me, of course, will not
>> acknowledge this - but desktop Linux *will* become more and more user
>> friendly and offer more and more choice to the distro manager (and user).
>> It is inevitable.
>
> Correct. Distributions such as Slackware, Debian and Gentoo will keep on
> providing different installation and usage methodologies that will
> attract the more technical and/or experienced users. Ubuntu will
> become more Joe User friendly and the experienced might not like it
> eventually.
Ten years from now the general desktop Linux distro will be more more
internally consistent, will allow user more control / choice, and will be in
other ways what I advocate for and many of the "advocates" argue against.
Will there be distros that are not like that... sure... just not the big
popular ones.
You read it here first. :)
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Snit
10:03 PM:
Rick makes more and more as he gets more upset. They can be funny. Once he
gets so worked up he cannot type he really is past the point of even trying
to make sense. Does not mean he is not amusing. :)
In a few more posts he will act superior and claim it is all my fault he
cannot think straight and will say he is not going to talk to me any more.
He plays this game over and over... but at least he learns more about Linux
with every go-round. As long as he is learning I will keep helping him.
Heck, sometimes I learn something from him about Linux, too.
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High Plains Thumper
> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>
>> Netkopping?
>
> How is using a filter netkopping, flatty?
Very moronic. I have Flatfish (Moshe) kill filed as well. Just
another mentally unstable troll along with Snit without a purpose
in life except to troll.
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Don Zeigler
> Ten years from now the general desktop Linux distro will be more more
> internally consistent, will allow user more control / choice, and will be in
> other ways what I advocate for and many of the "advocates" argue against.
> Will there be distros that are not like that... sure... just not the big
> popular ones.
>
> You read it here first. :)
>
According to your buddies DFS, Moshe and Hadron, Linux will be dead in ten
years.
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Don Zeigler
Owner/proprietor, Trollus Amongus, LLC
...I used up all my sick days, so I'm calling in dead.
Snit
on 9/19/09 10:17 PM:
HPT projects again!
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Snit
> Snit wrote:
>
>> Ten years from now the general desktop Linux distro will be more more
>> internally consistent, will allow user more control / choice, and will be in
>> other ways what I advocate for and many of the "advocates" argue against.
>> Will there be distros that are not like that... sure... just not the big
>> popular ones.
>>
>> You read it here first. :)
>>
>
> According to your buddies DFS, Moshe and Hadron, Linux will be dead in ten
> years.
What makes them my buddies?
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TomB
>>>> earth shattering event.
>>>
>>> Not earth shattering - but just another example of where things
>>> are improving. Where I have stated they should and predicted they
>>> will.
>>
>> So, AGAIN, where is the scrolling text?
>
> Boot Ubuntu. Look at the screen. Wow. Text.
>
> That was hard! Do you need a video?
>
><http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/text.mov>
>
> LOL!
Lame. You're showing that tiny bit of text just before the boot splash
comes up. If that's 'scary' to a user, your parallels BIOS messages
are too.
Mind you, I'm not saying that it isn't cosmetically better if the
transitions between grub, the boot splash and the login screen are
seamless, but I certainly can't call it a huge improvement of the
system.
--
That seems to point up a significant difference between Europeans
and Americans. A European says: "I can't understand this, what's
wrong with me?" An American says: "I can't understand this, what's
wrong with him?"
~ Terry Pratchett
TomB
> "advocates" argue against - are the ones the desktop distros are moving
> toward. You know: less command line "stuff", more consistency, better
> designed programs, etc.
>
> Why do you think that is?
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1
I can symphatize with this motion, but to reach that goal the Ubuntu
folks are trying to mimic Windows as much as they can, up to making
the user believe a reboot is required after installing e.g. a new
video driver. I fear that in doing so, GNU/Linux in whole may suffer.
I like GNU/Linux for what it is. Technically more challenging and
robust. Unix philosophy. I don't want Windows or OSX, and I certainly
don't want GNU/Linux to be like those operating systems. And there are
many people like me.
--
You attempt things that you do not even plan because of your extreme stupidity.
Chance Furlong
Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
Snit begs for High Plains Thumper's attention again! News at ten!
High Plains Thumper
> Snit wrote:
>> High Plains Thumper stated:
>>> Don Zeigler wrote:
>>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Netkopping?
>>>>
>>>> How is using a filter netkopping, flatty?
>>>
>>> Very moronic. I have Flatfish (Moshe) kill filed as well.
>>> Just another mentally unstable troll along with Snit
>>> without a purpose in life except to troll.
>>
>> HPT projects again!
>
> Snit begs for High Plains Thumper's attention again! News at
> ten!
Snit begs for everyone's attention.
72- Mr. Blonde: "Lastly, I can't help but comment on the fact
that your obsession with Sandman has actually grown since you
claimed to KF him. Killfilling someone generally implies you're
ignoring that person, yet you piggyback onto virtually every
reply to him here and and check his website's validation status
more often than most people check their e-mail. These are not the
actions of a mentally balanced individual." 19 Jan 2007
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/2b005666ab303e2b
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TomB
When the two of you engage in one of those little bitch fights, you're
both boring.
--
You will probably marry after a very brief courtship.
Don Zeigler
> What makes them my buddies?
>
The fact you defend 99.9998% of what they post and often egg them on in their
insults and lies, maybe?
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Don Zeigler
Owner/proprietor, Trollus Amongus, LLC
...Once again, Odo wins the Twister championship.
Rick
> Rick <no...@nomail.com> said on 2009-09-19:
>> On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 10:51:12 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>
>>>> Great. And AGIAN, ... what indecipherable text scrolling past? Hint:
>>>> you have to kit some keys to get to the boot text messages.
>>>>
>>> How do you kit keys?
>>
>> Fine, fine... I made a typo.... Beeg Deel....
>
> You mean Big Deal?
No, I meant Beeg Deel. It's the way the words were pronounced on screen.
And the whole line is ...
"So what? Beeg Deel".
>
>> Here.. just for the menatly challenged (you):
>
> You mean Mentally?
Yup... typo. Oh, well.
>
>
>> Great. And AGIAN,
>
> You mean Again?
Yup... typo. Oh, well.
>
> I am just pulling your leg. Typo's aren't always a problem; they can be
> funny sometimes.
Yeah, they can. :-)
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Rick
You are such an ass.
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Rick
> On 2009-09-19, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>> You are boring.
>
> When the two of you engage in one of those little bitch fights, you're
> both boring.
Hmmmm.. little bitch fights... I don't think so...
But the over all intent is true... ah, well.
--
Rick
Rick
> Snit wrote:
>
>> What makes them my buddies?
>>
>>
> The fact you defend 99.9998% of what they post and often egg them on in
> their insults and lies, maybe?
99.9998%? Wow ... did it take long to do all the math :-)
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High Plains Thumper
> Snit wrote:
>
>> What makes them my buddies?
>
> The fact you defend 99.9998% of what they post and often egg
> them on in their insults and lies, maybe?
Exactly.
114- Tim Crowley: "I don't know - I think you might have more
compassion. Snit is sick. He needs help. This is the only way the
poor sick fool can get attention. My f***ing G*d, he's taken to
hanging out with and supporting racist pig fuckers like MuahMuah.
It is true that no-one likes him and those that pretend they do
are just using him or don't know him - but come on- it's not his
fault. He's sick. Have some compassion, eh? All these idiot
trolls, Zara, Stew, Tommy, MuaaaahMuaaah, and Snit - they are all
so alike. I pity each and every one of them" 19 Apr 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/67f0f174110bfa0a
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Vincent
"Chance Furlong" <T-B...@megakatcity.com> wrote in message
news:T-Bone-753C57....@news.giganews.com...
Feeling lonely Pussy----------------------------------cat? How's Homer?
Snit
AM:
> On 2009-09-19, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>> Rick stated in post FvOdnaF9tYdJqyjX...@supernews.com on
>> 9/19/09 12:53 PM:
>>>>> Going to a graphical GRUB screen will be nice , IMO, but its no
>>>>> earth shattering event.
>>>>
>>>> Not earth shattering - but just another example of where things
>>>> are improving. Where I have stated they should and predicted they
>>>> will.
>>>
>>> So, AGAIN, where is the scrolling text?
>>
>> Boot Ubuntu. Look at the screen. Wow. Text.
>>
>> That was hard! Do you need a video?
>>
>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/text.mov>
>>
>> LOL!
>
> Lame. You're showing that tiny bit of text just before the boot splash
> comes up. If that's 'scary' to a user, your parallels BIOS messages
> are too.
>
> Mind you, I'm not saying that it isn't cosmetically better if the
> transitions between grub, the boot splash and the login screen are
> seamless, but I certainly can't call it a huge improvement of the
> system.
Who said "huge"?
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Snit
AM:
Why would you want it to be "more challenging"? Most people want to get
work done.
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Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Hadron wrote:
>
>> The same as Marti holds yours....
Heh!
> Indulging in some of your sweaty little fantasies, freak?
"Hadron" walked right into that one!
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Are you making all this up as you go along?
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> On 2009-09-19, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>> Rick stated in post FvOdnaF9tYdJqyjX...@supernews.com on
>> 9/19/09 12:53 PM:
>>>>> Going to a graphical GRUB screen will be nice , IMO, but its no
>>>>> earth shattering event.
>>>>
>>>> Not earth shattering - but just another example of where things
>>>> are improving. Where I have stated they should and predicted they
>>>> will.
>>>
>>> So, AGAIN, where is the scrolling text?
>>
>> Boot Ubuntu. Look at the screen. Wow. Text.
>>
>> That was hard! Do you need a video?
>>
>><http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/text.mov>
>>
>> LOL!
>
> Lame. You're showing that tiny bit of text just before the boot splash
> comes up. If that's 'scary' to a user, your parallels BIOS messages
> are too.
Has anyone /ever/ had a user come up to them screeching or crying, or even
questioning, about the BIOS text or any other text that comes up on the
screen?
Hell, you know what scares the crap out of me? The Windows logo!
Eek!
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You are a fluke of the universe; you have no right to be here.
Snit
> Snit wrote:
>
>> What makes them my buddies?
>>
>
> The fact you defend 99.9998% of what they post and often egg them on in their
> insults and lies, maybe?
Huh? What? Oh, you just wanted some attention.
Whatever.
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Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> On 2009-09-19, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
I don't mind if a handful of distros paper it over with a WinLamer kind of
interface. But I won't be using such a distro.
--
Man is the only animal that blushes -- or needs to.
-- Mark Twain
Snit
9/20/09 6:07 AM:
> On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 05:03:22 +0000, Ruel Smith wrote:
>
>> Rick <no...@nomail.com> said on 2009-09-19:
>>> On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 10:51:12 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Great. And AGIAN, ... what indecipherable text scrolling past? Hint:
>>>>> you have to kit some keys to get to the boot text messages.
>>>>>
>>>> How do you kit keys?
>>>
>>> Fine, fine... I made a typo.... Beeg Deel....
>>
>> You mean Big Deal?
>
> No, I meant Beeg Deel. It's the way the words were pronounced on screen.
> And the whole line is ...
>
> "So what? Beeg Deel".
You were being illiterate on purpose. Lovely.
>>> Here.. just for the menatly challenged (you):
>>
>> You mean Mentally?
>
> Yup... typo. Oh, well.
>
>>
>>
>>> Great. And AGIAN,
>>
>> You mean Again?
>
> Yup... typo. Oh, well.
>
>>
>> I am just pulling your leg. Typo's aren't always a problem; they can be
>> funny sometimes.
>
> Yeah, they can. :-)
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