Call for Nominations -- ASKOTY 2002
Timothy B. Maddux
Maybe we'll actually vote this year.
--
.-``'. Tim Maddux, Postdoctoral Investigator, WHOI
.` .`~
_.-' '._ "Moderation in all things... including moderation."
@lex
I vote for Alvin Donovan. Hands down.
@lex
"Timothy B. Maddux" <tbma...@alumni.caltech.edu> a écrit dans le message de
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OBsurfr
point for each placing. the person with the highest score wins(or is it lose
in this case?). After all, there is so much to choose from in this NG!
my votes:
1. Gleshna
2. Alvin Donovan
3. Craig (Great Lakes)
Honorable mention:
Neal and Bud for posting "faked" pictures. Everyone knows there is no surf
in Hawaii ;)
--
OBsurfr
www.kneed4speed.com
"@lex" <pors...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
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Neal Miyake
"kook!" on it. I'm willing to mail it to the "winner."
sponge
Corbeau
longboard but given the incredible CV of the competion, I have to face
the fact that I just don't rate.
So, like Flek's best friend Al, I'll decline my own nomination and open
the field.
C.
<ski...@blakestah.com> wrote in news:yW1M9.1159$qq2.175626496
@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com:
>
> Ahhh, nominations.
>
> Lessee. Eric Birch.
> **************************
>
> He hides in surfermag discussion groups to post his fiction.
> And hurts his knee.
> [108 posts in thread, one of the largest of the year]
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=
> 20021110210754.22186.00003110%40mb-cv.aol.com&output=gplain
>
> He asks to be nominated and pretends to be Surffohio.
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=
> ae0204bc.0211201146.7e4839fd%40posting.google.com&output=gplai
>
> He makes a return as oregonlocal
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=
> 2ea558de.0201042309.3ceb16fa%40posting.google.com&output=gplain
>
> He writes about localism, without knowing much about it
> [46 articles and counting in the thread]
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=
> 474a70e4.0212111941.50c895c1%40posting.google.com&output=gplain
> ****************************************
>
> I'll put together a synopsis of the other person I feel needs
> nominating, a certain Flek, later, if someone else doesn't beat
> me to it. Among other things, spouting blatant Limbaugh lies and
> trying to back them up, insulting someone who just got through brain
> surgery, and spouting off about the Middle East, defending it because
> he's served time there, only to have his ass handed to him by
> someone else who served time there.
>
> BTW, this would be Flek's third award. He's got a real knack for
> it.
>
> -PA
>
Michael Sullivan
>
> Subject line says it all... nominate away.
> Maybe we'll actually vote this year.
I nominate Carson for getting pissed on(righteously btw), for being the
star
of the jb/carson flame war (going to jb's employer - wow),
the desperate AS point scramble, and for the lifetime
achievement award of this whole 3rd person thing.
I have mixed feelings though, because the other candidates
are very strong, and I'm still bitter that I didn't win
ASKOTY in 2000.
Kind of like how Eric Stoltz would feel if he had to present
an Oscar to Keanu Reeves.
Mike
FleK
<ski...@blakestah.com> wrote in message
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>
> I'll put together a synopsis of the other person I feel needs
> nominating, a certain Flek, later, if someone else doesn't beat
> me to it. Among other things, spouting blatant Limbaugh lies and
> trying to back them up
What lies? I know what scares you: America agrees with *me*...not you.
, insulting someone who just got through brain
> surgery,
What's worse, a mis-speak then a personal apology, or milking it to its
fullest by loosers w/ nothing better to do than post to a newsgroup all day?
I know what you're thinking...and you're wrong.
and spouting off about the Middle East, defending it because
> he's served time there, only to have his ass handed to him by
> someone else who served time there.
Do you mean the Keener/Israel debate? Keener was there as a tourist, man.
<snicker> Ya, he was serving time..in the bars. I've been in the M/E as
much as I've been stateside this year. It's okay though,
'blakestah'...california is the center of the universe, and what flies there
flies in the rest of the world...really! I mean that, I'm not just trying
to point out that fact that you're an ignorant liberal turd that assumes
that everybody will just get along if we just give them enough of other
people's money!...really, I'm not!
>
> BTW, this would be Flek's third award. He's got a real knack for
> it.
Above all else, 'blakestah', above the trolling, the more PC than thou
attitude, above your inability to make a coherant post to a.s., above your
failed profiles...it's nice to know that I _consume_ you.
You may continue whining now.
_FleK
Michael Sullivan
>
> I'd nominate myself as the PNW entry for my amazingly kookeau antics on a
> longboard but given the incredible CV of the competion, I have to face
> the fact that I just don't rate.
This might be true if AS was about surfing... :^)
Mike
>
> So, like Flek's best friend Al, I'll decline my own nomination and open
> the field.
I suspect from my own experience that the best way to
avoid winning ASKOTY is to nominate and vote for yourself...
dammit.
Mike
Timothy B. Maddux
<ski...@blakestah.com> wrote:
>Ahhh, nominations.
Yes, these are just nominations. There were a few
people who tried to vote already. We haven't ever
voted before and we might not vote now, so for now,
just nominate. We should all try to develop some
synopses like Blakestah has so that we can vote
in another week or so. Since I asked, I'll keep
track of the nominations that come across my newsserver.
I'll probably close the nominations after 24 hours.
Seems like we've already got a longer list than usual.
Nominees so far, in no particular order:
1. Eric Burch (aka Drifcoast, Drifting Tide, Dimly Lit, oregonlocal, Surffohio)
Dave forgot to mention "I remember saying..."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=ae0204bc.0211260907.2ab848fb%40posting.google.com
2. Gleshna
3. Craig Kemnitz
I was originally going to suggest co-nominations of
Craig and Gleshna for their little war, but I forgot
about the resurrection of the rickshaw:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=948675dc.0211130751.1e5a144a%40posting.google.com
4. Flektonez
5. Alvin Donovan
6. Carson
^^^^^^
Sully, you need to clarify Carson's nomination a little or back it up
with some Googling... some of what you mention, like the point scrambling,
was the reason he won ASKOTY 2001.
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superfly®
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8671a75e.0207221839.79118dc3%40posting.goog
le.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
"late takeoffs my speciality"
first foray into black magic
general kookery
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http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8671a75e.0207211701.39a50a8a%40posting.goog
le.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
Alvin attempts to explain how wave size increases with the rising of the sun.
Only on one coast of Bali tho.
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http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8671a75e.0207211701.39a50a8a%40posting.goog
le.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
Alvin takes on the personna of "suicide drop al" at death point indo
Local calls him a liar in the thread.
Dispenses general info on how to grease palms in Indo (lol)
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"Timothy B. Maddux" <tbma...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote in message
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@lex
Let me take my vote back and do it again:
1. @lex for missing this year excellent late fall season because of his
lousy brains
2. @lex for straining his knee in the middle of the summer, thus preventing
him enjoying the few good summer sessions
3. @lex for chickening out over Hawaii in March next year
Geez, I want one of these "kook!" stickers.
@lex "vote for me"
"Neal Miyake" <spo...@iav.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
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Tom Keener
>Do you mean the Keener/Israel debate? Keener was there as a tourist, man.
How many tourists do you know who spend a year and a half in a place?
(That's what, 20% of your adult life?)
><snicker> Ya, he was serving time..in the bars.
Well, that's one of the jobs I had. But I also worked in construction,
in the movie industry, and farming. You would have liked one of the
farming gigs. I was responsible for killing 50,000 chickens. You could
have worked out a lot of aggression yelling, Oorah! as you
pitch-forked them.
Tom Keener
email me if you want my email address
FleK
"Tom Keener" <keen...@cts.com_but_not_this_part> wrote in message
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> I was responsible for killing 50,000 chickens. You could
> have worked out a lot of aggression yelling, Oorah! as you
> pitch-forked them.
>
Swing and a miss!
I am a vegetarian (with a soft spot for talapia). My love for animals stops
at asshat people.
F
Dimly Lit
beginning to believe that your education was wasted. Bummer dude.
Here is the list from alt.surfing's history: DaRat~, eric burch,
driftwood, oregonlocal, Dimly Lit. SurffOhio though? Might as well add
Ben Blake and to the list of names. Nah, actually, I'm every
alt.surfer who hasn't been exposed to the happy happy, joy joy of A.S.
get-togethers. Yes, I am finally achieving status then. ASKOTY is a
shoe in.
My nominees:
1.) Tim Maddux - Moves to the East Coast from Santa Barbara and with
the shift in climate comes more attention to alt.surfing matters. Tag
along poster. Secret desire to hook up with Stollen for some surfing
lessons.
2.) Crag Rides Again - Yeah, you bet he does. Johnny Come Lately of
alt.surfing flames. PMS may be a factor. Tag along poster.
3.) John Singer - Marin longboarder. Tag along poster.
4.) Buddy Williams - Hawaiian ripper yes, well respected surfer in
warm water. Thinks he can surf double overhead Ocean Beach on a 6'3"
though, and keeps forgetting about the wetsuit factor in northern
California waters.
5.) Superfly - Follows the hardcore Pacific Northwest chiche to a T.
Models his alt.surfing persona after Kem Nunn's "Drew Harmon"
character. Innovator of almost as many screen names as myself.
6.) Bill Andrews - Mr. Old Fart is another Johnny Come Lately to the
"Eric Don't Surf!" brigade. Thinks just because he's from Windansea,
that he really is a bad ass who knows everything there is to know
about localism. Secret desire is to surf Typhoon Lagoon with Arkies.
Probably wants to punch Mickey Mouse in the head.
7.) Dimly Lit - Entertaining trolling with the oregonlocal. Lost
control of said profile. So-called innovator of truly kooky posts to
alt.surfing. A.S.'ers claim he doesn't surf. Will skip out from "The
Search for DaRat" to just to keep everyone from being disappointed.
tbma...@alumni.caltech.edu (Timothy B. Maddux) wrote in message news:<atqih5$o76$1...@naig.caltech.edu>...
Surfer Bob
place. This "instant runoff" feature makes as much sense for AS as it
would for national elections. AS can show the way to the future once
again and maybe the Fed will follow our lead soon.
As for candidates, I think my faves have already all been nominated.
Surfer Bob
Surfer Bob
(VOTE FOR ME! VOTE FOR ME!! VOTE FOR ME!!!)
Let the last minute campaigning begin. You other nominees gonna take
this lying down? Get busy and KOOK OUT y'all.
Surfer Bob
Bill Andrews
> Subject line says it all... nominate away.
> Maybe we'll actually vote this year.
I nominate ME, after all, Rat-Bang found the kook and the kook is me:
"...there is nothing more pathetic than some old fart that thinks he's
some kind of tough guy. Who's the one who's chest thumping about how
cool he is? Maybe the Alzheimer has finally crept into your feeble
little mind. That's all right though, keep living in your little
fantasy world where you think you're the surfing shit and I'll
continue to laugh at your own kookiness."
Thanks Rat-Fang for your help, but I just wonder - if I can fantasize,
do I have the Alzheimer - is it possible for one to think that one may
have the Alzheimer?
Thanks again,
BA
Michael Sullivan
>
> In article <yW1M9.1159$qq2.17...@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>,
> <ski...@blakestah.com> wrote:
snip
> 6. Carson
> ^^^^^^
>
> Sully, you need to clarify Carson's nomination a little or back it up
> with some Googling... some of what you mention, like the point scrambling,
> was the reason he won ASKOTY 2001.
Carson won last year? Damn, where was I? I looked it up and saw
that I pissed on him this time last year, so you're right
it was 2001 stuff I was thinking about. Damn, time flies
when you're having kooks.
I respectfully withdraw my nomination.
Mike
Timothy B. Maddux
Dimly Lit <drift...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>If you're going to nominate me Tim, at least get the names right.
I haven't nominated anyone, and as the person who called
for nominations, I won't be nominating anyone. I'll be
storing the Google-attributed posts in this thread (such
as Blakestah and Superfly have provided), so everyone
please continue to provide them w/ your nominations and
I'll try to collate a good list for when we vote.
The list stands at: Eric, Gleshna, Craig, FleK, and Alvin.
Sully nominated Carson but I need more specifics, *this year.*
We could also use some good Gleshna citations, for those
who nominated him.
Now I have some questions about Eric's nominations:
>1.) Tim Maddux - Moves to the East Coast from Santa Barbara...
A move to the wrong coast is definitely a kooky thing to do,
especially a move to a sheltered part of that coast. But is
it alt.surfing kooky? If someone seconds the nomination I'll
accept it.
> ...with the shift in climate comes more attention to alt.surfing matters.
Actually my posting rate is about the same as it was from SB,
if you bother to Google up this address and the old SB one combined.
[ re: many nominees ]
>Tag along poster.
What does this mean?
Nominations 2 and 3 (Crag and John) have no detail. Rejected.
>4.) Buddy Williams ... Thinks he can surf double overhead Ocean Beach on a 6'3"
This seems like last year, and even if it was this year it's
legitimately debatable whether he could or could not do it.
It's nothing like the current nominees. Not going on the list.
Renominate with something better.
>5.) Superfly - Follows the hardcore Pacific Northwest chiche to a T.
Ok this is true, but it's been happening since 1995, and
I wouldn't say it's particularly ASKOTY material. More
detail needed, from this year.
>7.) Dimly Lit - Entertaining trolling with the oregonlocal. Lost
>control of said profile.
This was an innovative bit of kookery, but again I think
the Kira Riley-Fubuki profile broke free. There were some
flames that we could add to the nomination if someone tracks
them down.
>Will skip out from "The Search for DaRat" ...
This would be nominable for next year.
Any other new nominations? I'll give it a few more hours.
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_.-' '._ "The waves, as always, hold the more insidious addiction."
superfly®
> Me, I wanna be like BA. When I look out on a big day and try to decide
> if I should go out, I sometimes think WWBAD. Then I paddle out.
Wow. If that's what it takes to get you out there then I guess that's what it
takes to get you out there. Sad really.
superfly®
Nunn. Maybe I have a legal case?
"Dimly Lit" <drift...@hotmail.com> wrote
superfly®
"Michael Sullivan" <su...@forsythe.stanford.edu> wrote
Timothy B. Maddux
superfly® <superfly@the_ghetto.com> wrote:
>No I think Flek won last year. Wasn't that year 2 of his dynasty?
It may be that FleK won in 2000. We should nail this
down for the AS History pages before people get old and die.
1999 was either Jackson Eskew, FMF2K, or SurfGEO (that was
the year of "I WILL KILL YOU WITH MY BARE HANDS!"). I'm
pretty sure it was SurfGEO.
According to this it was WFN111 in 1998 (who? I searched
around, apparently he was some sort of waveski guy) and
DDaniel in 1997.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=37DFD8BB.CA37D5B3%40seanet.com
However I wonder if maybe Jim 'sharkpod' Morris should
have been ASKOTY 1998 instead.
Going further back, SurfOhio has repeatedly said he
deserves the "net-kook" or "cyber kook" of the year
award for when he first started posting. This must
have been back in 1995. And if we can't figure out
who it was in 1996, one possibility would be the
CyberKahuna. Or maybe Gleshna.
Back to 2001. We asked about this in September,
and the consensus was:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=vEoh9.380%24zY2.26444833%40newssvr21.news.prodigy.com
Carson for ASKTOY 2001.
Note that he made a lot of posts in that thread that
could be nomination-worthy, if someone wants to renominate
him (Sully your retraction is noted).
I'm surprised that nobody has nominated "spockie" yet.
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.` .`~
Awe F'shore
<ski...@blakestah.com> wrote:
<snipped examples of the neverending kuk>
> There is some stiff competition from Alvin and Eric, but this
> year has been dominated by one and only one kook.
>
> Flek. More long offtopic threads. More inane right-wing propaganda and
> lies. At least Alvin and Eric make up surf related crap - Flek's lies
> and misrepresentations and disrespect of his fellow man extend far
> beyond that. He's made a few surf reports, but he's made hundreds upon
> hundreds of off-topic posts about the Middle East and other right-wing
> propaganda. There is only one real candidate to me. Flek for ASKOTY!
>
> -PA
And don't forget multiple posts crying out that he "doesn't care" about
having his ass handed to him in every one of those threads, the he
"trolled" everyone in those threads, when in reality, he's the most
easily hooked kookbait on this NG.
I second the nomination. Call for the vote.
Flek - jackASsKOTY 2002, past, present, future.
Timothy B. Maddux
<ski...@blakestah.com> wrote:
>superflyÉ <superfly@the_ghetto.com> wrote:
>> No I think Flek won last year. Wasn't that year 2 of his dynasty?
>
No, I don't think there's anything FleK could have done
in 1999 to beat "I WILL KILL YOU WITH MY BARE HANDS!"
not to mention the other nominees FMF2K and Jackson Eskew.
superfly®
I think that was also the year he accused me of cybersex... <snicker>.
He was really grasping for straws at that point.
What about Dale Davis and Neons 63 posts in one day? We need to really
get to the bottom of this. Maybe even have an official ballot for all previous
years.
"Timothy B. Maddux" <tbma...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote
Neal Miyake
This is all real good stuff, but back in March when I was gathering info for
the AS History page, you were the very one that told me that we always
nominated ASKOTY's, but never ever made a decisive vote. Gioni agreed with
you on this point. Why the change of heart?
If we can all come to consensus on the true ASKOTY's through the past years,
then I'd be glad to include them on the History page. However, I doubt
we'll even come close to deciding--I'm still not sure if we really had an
"official" WSD2002-2 this year (no one wants to even archive it).
I think that you vetting out the nominations and ultimately running the
final vote this year will truly validate this as the first year we
definitively decide who is the ASKOTY. Maybe this should be the inaugural
year.
sponge (btw, please make sure that multiple profiles can't vote)
"Timothy B. Maddux" <tbma...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
John Singer
"Dimly Lit" <drift...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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These are all pretty amusing comments coming from a guy who doesn't even
surf from Flake County.
My nominations are:
ASKOTY 2002:
Alvin Donovan AKA, Thurston, for his big wave allusions of grandeur.
Lifetime Achievement Award:
Hands down Eric Burch for his constant barrage of "One Who Flew Over The
Cuckoo's Nest" comments, multiple profiles, thought he was in control of
Kira, believes he's actually a surfer, switched to SurferMag.com message
board so he could actually get positive responses to his fictitious surfing
posts, and still thinks he's a surfer.
JS
FleK
"superfly®" <superfly@the_ghetto.com> wrote in message
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> No I think Flek won last year. Wasn't that year 2 of his dynasty?
AH! so says the profile w/ the lifetime achievement award.
99% of this ng has no room to talk about kookery. You're oblivious,
self-rightous, elietest, hateful, bigoted and and probably do not surf.
Picking on someone who is travelling the world, surfing because you're
jealous? How transparant can you get? I can't even fathom half you people,
where I live, people don't guard their notions as sanctamoniously <sp> as
some of the 'personalities' on this ng.
Want a prize kook? Try looking for the guy who gives himself his own
nickname. Ya, I bet he plays spin the bottle w/ his stuffed animals.
I really thought this ng wasn't populated by the turds seen on what is
basically the rest of the internet...but it's just worse, because not only
are you computer-dork-shutins, but you pretend to surf. I honestly believe
that I'd wear down StupidFly into the pussycat he is now that this ng would
be a pretty open place for a surfing community.
You know, earlier this afternoon, I read a post by our very own speedo'd
wonder, Tom Keener. He notes how he killed 50,000 live chickens, and uses
it as an example to bash *my* supposed agressive nature. The fact that
nobody even batted an eye, let alone point out the obvious and blatant
hippocracy shows that non-surfing kooks like 'blakestah' and maddux need a
jackass like preston around...cracking the whip.
Ya, flame on! and cast your votes! Just remember...flek is a fucking
cuntface asshole that uses bad language!
Whatever.
_FlekStaH
All the Good Profiles are Taken
says...
> In article <t7bM9.578$a57...@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>,
> <ski...@blakestah.com> wrote:
> >superflyÉ <superfly@the_ghetto.com> wrote:
> >> No I think Flek won last year. Wasn't that year 2 of his dynasty?
> >
> >He won the two previous years.
>
> No, I don't think there's anything FleK could have done
> in 1999 to beat "I WILL KILL YOU WITH MY BARE HANDS!"
> not to mention the other nominees FMF2K and Jackson Eskew.
The difference is that Geo was acting goofy with his "... BARE HANDS"
statement.
Flek is quite serious with all of his nonsense. He really believes that
crap.
--
Only 6 shopping days 'til my birthday
Michael Sullivan
>
> "superflyŽ" <superfly@the_ghetto.com> wrote in message
> news:10402650...@utility.isomedia.com...
> > No I think Flek won last year. Wasn't that year 2 of his dynasty?
>
snip
>
> Ya, flame on! and cast your votes! Just remember...flek is a fucking
> cuntface asshole that uses bad language!
>
> Whatever.
Flek, I really didn't have you down in my short list for ASKOTY,
but this post was a sweet late charge.
Nice meltdown, awesome display.
If the vote is close, we'll leave it to the Supreme Court.
Mike
All the Good Profiles are Taken
flek*****@cfl.rr.com says...
>
> "superfly®" <superfly@the_ghetto.com> wrote in message
> news:10402650...@utility.isomedia.com...
> > No I think Flek won last year. Wasn't that year 2 of his dynasty?
>
> AH! so says the profile w/ the lifetime achievement award.
>
> 99% of this ng has no room to talk about kookery. You're oblivious,
> self-rightous, elietest, hateful, bigoted and and probably do not surf.
That's hilarious. With such righteous indignation you describe the
Flunkstah to a "t" - and don't even realize it.
> Picking on someone
"Picking on..." oh, boo-hoo. Jeez, Flunk - grow up.
> who is travelling the world, surfing because you're
> jealous?
To paraphrase Clark Gable's character: "Frankly, Flunk, nobody really
gives a damn. Jealous? Of you? <snort>
> How transparant can you get?
Well, no one here is even close to achieving your level of transparency.
> I can't even fathom half you people,
> where I live, people don't guard their notions as sanctamoniously <sp> as
> some of the 'personalities' on this ng.
>
> Want a prize kook? Try looking for the guy who gives himself his own
> nickname. Ya, I bet he plays spin the bottle w/ his stuffed animals.
You mean the guy who calls himself Flektonez? Or the one who gave
himself the "Sofa King" moniker?
> I really thought this ng wasn't populated by the turds seen on what is
> basically the rest of the internet...but it's just worse, because not only
> are you computer-dork-shutins, but you pretend to surf. I honestly believe
> that I'd wear down StupidFly into the pussycat he is now that this ng would
> be a pretty open place for a surfing community.
This, from the number one off-topic, non-surf-content poser here? You
are such a hoot.
> You know, earlier this afternoon, I read a post by our very own speedo'd
> wonder, Tom Keener. He notes how he killed 50,000 live chickens, and uses
> it as an example to bash *my* supposed agressive nature. The fact that
> nobody even batted an eye,
1. He was referring to the past. If you knew him, you'd know that he's
far from aggressive. You didn't get to know him because he purposely
skipped visiting the perennial kook of A.S. when he did his tour a
couple of years ago.
2. Tom doesn't eat meat (other than occasional seafood). You can't grab
the moral high ground on this one.
> let alone point out the obvious and blatant
> hippocracy shows that non-surfing kooks like 'blakestah' and maddux need a
> jackass like preston around...cracking the whip.
That's an interesting accusation. Care to back it with proof?
> Ya, flame on! and cast your votes! Just remember...flek is a fucking
> cuntface asshole that uses bad language!
And uses the language badly.
Oh, by the way, you forgot "ignorant".
> Whatever.
You've had these petulant rants before, sniveling because people are
perfectly willing to expose your pathetic drivel for what it is. If
you're going to volunteer to look like a fool, then you can't whine that
people who laugh at you are a bunch of meanies.
--
Only 8 shopping days 'til my birthday
The Supreme Court
>The difference is that Geo was acting goofy with his "... BARE HANDS"
>statement.
No, didn't that come right after the log bonfire incident at Texas A & M and
geo was real passionate about it. And AS was ragging on it and he flew off the
handle. Real emotional like. Don't remember it being goofy....possibly, but
don't remember it that way....
__________________________________________________
"Pain is the sensation of weakness leaving the body"
The Supreme Court
>If the vote is close, we'll leave it to the Supreme Court.
Sweet! I am the "arbiter of all things surf."
BTW: Craig gets my vote for ASKOTY.
Timothy B. Maddux
FleK <flek*****@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
[ snip ]
>Whatever.
If the nominees could do me a favor, I'd like to
request that they stop being kooks for a little
while until we finish the voting. All this new
information takes time to be archived at Google
and it's making it hard to compile up links.
Thank you.
-- ASKOTY Chief Erectoral Officer
Timothy B. Maddux
Neal Miyake <spo...@iav.com> wrote:
>... you were the very one that told me that we always
>nominated ASKOTY's, but never ever made a decisive vote.
1999 was (IIRC) the only year we voted, on a website
hosted by lemmings. SurfGEO "won." All the other
"winners" were determined by general acclaim, so what
I did was dig through those old posts and try to figure
out who the apparent winner was. People seemed pretty
clear that 2001 was Carson, even though we didn't vote,
so it seems ok to try the same thing going back. It's
definitely fuzzy.
>I think that you vetting out the nominations and ultimately running the
>final vote this year will truly validate this as the first year we
>definitively decide who is the ASKOTY.
That's the idea!
Timothy B. Maddux
The Supreme Court <distan...@aol.com> wrote:
>>The difference is that Geo was acting goofy with his "... BARE HANDS"
>>statement.
>
>No, didn't that come right after the log bonfire incident at Texas A & M and
>geo was real passionate about it.
Yes, his tone was clearly serious. Whether he was or not,
doesn't matter, his POST was. Plus that's the only year
so far we've actually voted (there was a website)!
Doc on the road
"The Supreme Court" <distan...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20021219073840...@mb-cp.aol.com...
> >From: Michael Sullivan su...@forsythe.stanford.ed
>
> >If the vote is close, we'll leave it to the Supreme Court.
>
> Sweet! I am the "arbiter of all things surf."
>
> BTW: Craig gets my vote for ASKOTY.
Better that than the Electoral College, I guess. Though if it comes down to
Florida again I am gonna wonder.
> __________________________________________________
> "Pain is the sensation of weakness leaving the body"
True - but if I had known there was gonna be that much weakness involved now
I woulda started lifting weights or something back in the '50s....
Doc....... snap, crackle, pop............
Tom Keener
<SPAMMENO...@snotmail.communist> wrote:
>In article <NEdM9.78540$Db4.2...@twister.tampabay.rr.com>,
>flek*****@cfl.rr.com says...
>> You know, earlier this afternoon, I read a post by our very own speedo'd
>> wonder, Tom Keener. He notes how he killed 50,000 live chickens, and uses
>> it as an example to bash *my* supposed agressive nature. The fact that
>> nobody even batted an eye,
Hey, you're the one who wants to volunteer to be cannon fodder.
>1. He was referring to the past. If you knew him, you'd know that he's
>far from aggressive. You didn't get to know him because he purposely
>skipped visiting the perennial kook of A.S. when he did his tour a
>couple of years ago.
In truth, it wasn't "purposely," just serendipitous. I opted to meet
Mr Strayhorn and the Cat instead. And a very pleasant meeting it was.
Tom Keener
email me if you want my email address
superfly®
> "superfly®" <superfly@the_ghetto.com> wrote
> > No I think Flek won last year. Wasn't that year 2 of his dynasty?
>
> AH! so says the profile w/ the lifetime achievement award.
>
> 99% of this ng has no room to talk about kookery. You're oblivious,
> self-rightous, elietest, hateful, bigoted and and probably do not surf.
Remember flek, *you* are the one who posts non-stop political
garbage that most ppl don't give a rat's ass about. You did it to yourself.
Step up and own it like a man.
> Picking on someone who is travelling the world, surfing because you're
> jealous?
Since when are you traveling the world *surfing*? This is new information!
> How transparant can you get? I can't even fathom half you people,
> where I live, people don't guard their notions as sanctamoniously <sp> as
> some of the 'personalities' on this ng.
>
> Want a prize kook? Try looking for the guy who gives himself his own
> nickname. Ya, I bet he plays spin the bottle w/ his stuffed animals.
I prefer truth or dare. Spin the bottle is so one dimensional.
> I really thought this ng wasn't populated by the turds seen on what is
> basically the rest of the internet...but it's just worse, because not only
> are you computer-dork-shutins, but you pretend to surf.
Until you realize there is something drastically wrong about a profile who posts
99% political material to a surfing newsgroup, you'll prolly be in line for
ASKOTY
for every year. Lets do an experiment. Find a political newsgroup and go post
99% surfing content and when someone calls you on it, go off on them... Lets
see how you are received there?
> I honestly believe
> that I'd wear down StupidFly into the pussycat he is now that this ng would
> be a pretty open place for a surfing community.
Huh? Are genuinely upset or are you just making a late run for the
ASKOTY?
> You know, earlier this afternoon, I read a post by our very own speedo'd
> wonder, Tom Keener. He notes how he killed 50,000 live chickens, and uses
> it as an example to bash *my* supposed agressive nature. The fact that
> nobody even batted an eye, let alone point out the obvious and blatant
> hippocracy shows that non-surfing kooks like 'blakestah' and maddux need a
> jackass like preston around...cracking the whip.
Cracking the whip!
superfly®
> Everyone has their limits.
Indeed they do.
> Some days you go to the beach, and most everyone else has decided
> it is past theirs. And, then, you have to decide if it is past
> yours or not. People draw the line at different places. You can decide
> if you want to be safe and conservative, or if you can safely handle
> what Neptune is dishing out that day.
I guess I'm just wondering what defining your limits has to do with some
over the hill socialite photo slut from san diego? My decision is based on
previous experience at the place, current physical shape, equipment and
gut feeling.
Mondo Cane
Justification:
- The only thing he passionately writes about in AS is ASKOTY.
- Everything else he writes about in AS is only on the periphery of surfing.
- He posts others' photos without giving credit.
- He is a real life KooK.
- Other... too many items to list.
It is time that people proclaim "the emperor is naked!"
- MC
MC
FleK
>
> > Picking on someone who is travelling the world, surfing because you're
> > jealous?
>
> Since when are you traveling the world *surfing*? This is new information!
Donovan, jackass....stay w/ it. I noticed carl missed this one as well.
> I prefer truth or dare. Spin the bottle is so one dimensional.
Mkay, I *dare* you to stop hiding behind profiles and carl leonard.
> Until you realize there is something drastically wrong about a profile who
posts
> 99% political material to a surfing newsgroup, you'll prolly be in line
for
> ASKOTY
You know, find a post where I dissect a political opinon where it isn't a
*response*. That should keep you busy for a while. You know what? You
don't even have to read them, most nntp clients don't *make* you read
everything.
> for every year. Lets do an experiment. Find a political newsgroup and go
post
> 99% surfing content and when someone calls you on it, go off on them...
Lets
> see how you are received there?
This makes about as much sense as calling my disagreement with alot the
blatant bullshit in this ng a 'meltdown'.
> Huh? Are genuinely upset or are you just making a late run for the
> ASKOTY?
Ya, go ahead, really! You kooks have run off alot of good posters over the
years. Notice Foon doesn't really post here anymore? The guy writes really
good story, but he rides a different type of board...also because he
respects Neal and Bud for charging and posting the results (OH NO!)
therefore he must be chastised! Why not just go to the source and call Neal
and Bud out for actually surfing. Hell, it's the next big thing anyway:
flaming people because they actually surf, versus just throwing up the
faux-macho surferboy attitude. It's so 1981, it's more tired than sun-in
and zinka.
meh, whatever...You've made your beds, now lie (and I do mean lie) in them.
_FleK
Corbeau
Can we make this a biannual thing like WSD?
C.
tbma...@alumni.caltech.edu (Timothy B. Maddux) wrote in
news:atr7f9$6ef$1...@naig.caltech.edu:
superfly®
> > Since when are you traveling the world *surfing*? This is new information!
>
> Donovan, jackass....stay w/ it. I noticed carl missed this one as well.
That is new information also. How do you know he travels the world
surfing? When certain ASer's called the guy for a surf, all he wanted
to know was where he could score some "daka". When this
request was blown off, he had no interest in surfing...
I know this scenario requires some judgment on your part and
that word, "judgment" may be a bad word for you, but go ahead,
give it a shot!
> > for every year. Lets do an experiment. Find a political newsgroup and go
> post
> > 99% surfing content and when someone calls you on it, go off on them...
> Lets
> > see how you are received there?
>
> This makes about as much sense as calling my disagreement with alot the
> blatant bullshit in this ng a 'meltdown'.
You will be nominated for kookery on that newsgroup also.
> Ya, go ahead, really! You kooks have run off alot of good posters over the
> years.
Bahahahahaaaaaaaaa!
Pppl come and go for their own reasons. You didn't come on as someone who
points the finger at someone else for something you have done but I guess
thats your MO. TAKE REPSONSIBILITY, BOY!
> Notice Foon doesn't really post here anymore?
I didn't notice.
> The guy writes really
> good story, but he rides a different type of board...
Foon is done posting stories becasue he's done. Everything is a rehash.
He's washed up. Over. Foon is done for other reasons that I'm not
gonna get into here.
I suppose the next thing you are gonna say is that "AS is not what it used
to be"?
> also because he
> respects Neal and Bud for charging and posting the results (OH NO!)
> therefore he must be chastised! Why not just go to the source and call Neal
> and Bud out for actually surfing. Hell, it's the next big thing anyway:
> flaming people because they actually surf, versus just throwing up the
> faux-macho surferboy attitude. It's so 1981, it's more tired than sun-in
> and zinka.
At least it's surf related. No one cares about the middle east in here. Get
that thru your thick head. No one cares about politics, no one cares about
the republican agenda, no cares about any of that shit. All we care about
is flaming ppl, writing fake surf stories, and photoshopping ourselves into
hijacked surf pics...
Corbeau
news:10403213...@utility.isomedia.com:
>All we care about is flaming ppl, writing fake surf stories, and
> photoshopping ourselves into hijacked surf pics...
>
This is the best abstract for this group that I've seen.
It should be part of the header for the AS FAQ if there is such a document.
It would greatly ease the entry of new members into the AS family.
However, that might lessen the opportunities for flaming so maybe it
wouldn't be such a good idea after all...
C.
Crag Rides Again!
> My nominees:
> 1.) Tim Maddux - Moves to the East Coast from Santa Barbara and with
> the shift in climate comes more attention to alt.surfing matters.
I have done something pretty similar, except I left an area that is
richer in waves than Santa Barbara, and the area where I am
(temporarily) located is even worse for wave access than where Tim is
located. I have been whining about the consequences (particularly
the lack of surf) almost incessently, whereas Tim seems to be taking
it in stride. Therefore if Tim's nomination for this reason is deemed
valid, I demand my own nomination as well (not my first, BTW).
> Tag along poster.
WTF does this mean? For some reason, I think you're just pissed
because he broke the "Don't Pull a DriftCoast" story on alt.surfing.
> 2.) Crag Rides Again - Yeah, you bet he does. Johnny Come Lately of
> alt.surfing flames.
Johhny-come-lately? I have been flaming alt.surfers for years, Eric.
I know that Mendo KGB takes its toll on the cognitive functions, but
do try and keep up.
>PMS may be a factor.
That is true! In this case, PMS == Perpetually Missing Surf! Staying
(temporarily) on the east coast will do that to a person. Fortunately
for me, I will be disembarking at SAN just as the Next Big Swell
peaks. Things are also looking good for the little excursion that I
have planned, down the peninsula. I'm actually gonna be riding waves,
Eric, while you are campaigning hard for ASKOTY.
I guess you have given up on the West Coast Roadshow?
<snip lobbying to ensure ASKOTY>
> tbma...@alumni.caltech.edu (Timothy B. Maddux) wrote in message news:<atqih5$o76$1...@naig.caltech.edu>...
> > Nominees so far, in no particular order:
> > 1. Eric Burch (aka Drifcoast, Drifting Tide, Dimly Lit, oregonlocal, Surffohio)
Dimly Lit
He's from Marin, rides a longboard and if I remember right, skipped
out on a roaring day at Ocean Beach back in November. He also chose to
avoid Bolinas Lagoon for some time after the shark attack, claiming to
be a little spooked. Another Marin poster was back at Bolinas shortly
after. Doesn't seem to have a real desire for surfing and challenging
himself against the elements. Would most likely waste time and gas
driving all the way to Santa Cruz, rather than face a double overhead
day at Windmills.
Tag along poster, meaning he has no legitimate beef, yet because the
"cool cats" of alt.surfing are doing it, then he might as well join
the club. He's the Linus of A.S.'s Peanuts gang. Because his idols on
here have said so, he believes Dimly Lit doesn't surf. Wow, go figure.
Has developed a fascination with me, and that scares him. . .hence the
un-Aloha spirit. Can't seem to get over the fact that it's been close
to a year now since Dimly Lit was a resident of Lake County. Get that
Singer, almost a year now! I guess it would devastate him to know that
D.L. has been living closer to the ocean than him for the last several
months.
This is why I believe Singer should be nominated for ASKOTY.
But what do I know? I'm only a fictitious personality in a fiber optic
landscape.
> These are all pretty amusing comments coming from a guy who doesn't even
> surf from Flake County.
>
superfly®
"Dimly Lit" <drift...@hotmail.com> wrote
John Singer
>
> He's from Marin, rides a longboard and if I remember right, skipped
> out on a roaring day at Ocean Beach back in November. He also chose to
> avoid Bolinas Lagoon for some time after the shark attack, claiming to
> be a little spooked. Another Marin poster was back at Bolinas shortly
> after.
I've got several boards of varying lengths you clown...a longboard only
being one of them. I surf in sharkier water more than probably anyone in
this newsgroup. Any person with any intelligence would be a little freaked
after seeing bite marks and blood on a surfboard just minutes after the
attack.
>Doesn't seem to have a real desire for surfing and challenging
> himself against the elements. Would most likely waste time and gas
> driving all the way to Santa Cruz, rather than face a double overhead
> day at Windmills.
Let's get this straight. I drive to the best conditions that I can find
given my comfort level and allotted time. Backing out on 12-15ft OB is
nothing to be ashamed of especially given the few short years I've been
surfing. You would know if you if you've ever surfed here. I don't ever
recall you hooking up with any ASer at OB...
>
> Tag along poster, meaning he has no legitimate beef, yet because the
> "cool cats" of alt.surfing are doing it, then he might as well join
> the club. He's the Linus of A.S.'s Peanuts gang. Because his idols on
> here have said so, he believes Dimly Lit doesn't surf. Wow, go figure.
>
> Has developed a fascination with me, and that scares him. . .hence the
> un-Aloha spirit.
Uh, Eric...I know you've heard about the good hair, but time to put down
that gay porn you crackhead.
>Can't seem to get over the fact that it's been close
> to a year now since Dimly Lit was a resident of Lake County. Get that
> Singer, almost a year now! I guess it would devastate him to know that
> D.L. has been living closer to the ocean than him for the last several
> months.
Did you move back in with your Mom?
JS
John Singer
<ski...@blakestah.com> wrote in message
news:YurM9.288$TQ3.28...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com...
> John Singer <jgsi...@bikinigirls.com> wrote:
>
> > Let's get this straight. I drive to the best conditions that I can find
> > given my comfort level and allotted time. Backing out on 12-15ft OB is
> > nothing to be ashamed of especially given the few short years I've been
> > surfing.
>
>
>
> -PA
>
You got you're days mixed up because there were so many good days this fall.
Nice try though.
I surf on 8ft days at OB not 12ft days because my hair gets too messed up.
Here is the original post where I surfed on that 8ft day that you think you
are calling me on
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group:alt.surfing+insubject:OB+author:john
+author:singer&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=bjIC9.847%24RH2.96933306%40n
ewssvr14.news.prodigy.com&rnum=2
JS
John Singer
<ski...@blakestah.com> wrote in message
news:25sM9.759$c64.65...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
> John Singer <jgsi...@bikinigirls.com> wrote:
>
> > <ski...@blakestah.com> wrote in message
> > news:YurM9.288$TQ3.28...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com...
> >> John Singer <jgsi...@bikinigirls.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Let's get this straight. I drive to the best conditions that I can
find
> >> > given my comfort level and allotted time. Backing out on 12-15ft OB
is
> >> > nothing to be ashamed of especially given the few short years I've
been
> >> > surfing.
>
> >> It was only 8 ft.
>
fall.
> > Nice try though.
>
> paddled out. You watched us, and then drove to the other end
> of the beach. It was not more than 8 foot where I was out.
Dave you have to specify which day if you are going to call me out as there
have been several 8ft days in November. And Driftwoody was talking about a
12ft day at Windmills. So get your flames straight.
But the one you are referring to above, it was more than 8ft. I was standing
there for 40 min looking at the outside sets coming in that were going a
10-12ft. The inside bar was 8ft and had a window of good surf, but when the
tide flipped the outside shut down and everything moved inside and the shape
in my opinion was shitty top2bottom closeouts that very few were making,
most were getting worked.
So I went down to VFW where it was 8ft on the outside and much cleaner and
an easier paddle out. And surfed for a couple of hours in fun surf. But if
your ego wants to believe otherwise feel free.
JS
Bud
> If you're going to nominate me Tim, at least get the names right. I am
> beginning to believe that your education was wasted. Bummer dude.
>
> Here is the list from alt.surfing's history: DaRat~, eric burch,
> driftwood, oregonlocal, Dimly Lit.
The last time I believed or had an inkling of respect
for anything you posted was when you wrote about the
stoke of your first tube, about a year and half ago IIRC.
>
> My nominees:
<snip>
> 4.) Buddy Williams - Hawaiian ripper yes, well respected surfer in
> warm water. Thinks he can surf double overhead Ocean Beach on a 6'3"
Psssst, hey kook guess what? I have a pterygium almost
as old as you are, from SURFING. I KNOW I could surf
DOH OB on a 6'3" ... I would make it out, I would catch
waves and I would ride them. Never said it would be
easy or that I wouldn't be under gunned.
> though, and keeps forgetting about the wetsuit factor in northern
> California waters.
Ohhh yeah, that's part of follow up to the thread where
you were telling the surfermag BB about blowing out
your knee and snapping your funboard air dropping into
20-25 foot storm surf, right? Riiiiight. I remember you
got a lot of sympathy replies over there and you lapped
it all up. Fucking pathetic.
If you have something non-fantasy to add, step up to
the plate, kook.
Bud
--
"Whether you realize this or not, I've become the big
mystery. I'm sure my name has even come up amongst the
alt.surfing gatherings."
"who said anything about 25 foot waves?"
- Driftcoast 2002
All the Good Profiles are Taken
Cor...@Unkindness.com says...
> Other than surf reports, pics and vids, this is the funniest thread ever.
> Can we make this a biannual thing like WSD?
>
> C.
Try to keep up, will ya? It IS an annual thing. If you want it to be
some kind of bi thing, hey we understand. Depending on which way that bi
thing goes, you might get lots of volunteers; just watch out for the
220# bearded whore.
This year's shoot-out has all the usual suspects: mostly little jimmy m,
the guy who goes ballistic anytime someone taunts him; well, ok, there's
carson, who also goes ballistic.
But jimmy m the right-wing whiner is always the favorite. Wait until we
expose the only photo of him "surfing" - stinkbugging it, actually - as
a fraud. He's going to scream, pout, make unsubstantiated accusations...
anything but show proof.
Stick around Frenchy. Someday you, too, could be a contender.
--
Only 5 shopping days 'til my birthday
All the Good Profiles are Taken
drift...@hotmail.com says...
> But what do I know? I'm only a fictitious personality in a fiber optic
> landscape.
Hmmmm. I figured it wasn't even a T-1.
--
Only 8 shopping days 'til my birthday
Corbeau
I'm not French, I'm black and hang around the Dump in a huge
Unkindness.
Maybe we can discuss my contention over caffeine sometime. With your
obvious experience in newgroup kookery, I'd surely be a strong
contender next year.
C.
All the Good Profiles are Taken
Cor...@Unkindness.com says...
> On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 02:24:43 GMT, All the Good Profiles are Taken
> <SPAMMENO...@snotmail.communist> wrote:
>
> >In article <Xns92E966E43AD83Co...@216.168.3.30>,
> >Cor...@Unkindness.com says...
> >> Other than surf reports, pics and vids, this is the funniest thread ever.
> >> Can we make this a biannual thing like WSD?
> >>
> >> C.
> >
> >Try to keep up, will ya? It IS an annual thing. If you want it to be
> >some kind of bi thing, hey we understand. Depending on which way that bi
> >thing goes, you might get lots of volunteers; just watch out for the
> >220# bearded whore.
> >
> >This year's shoot-out has all the usual suspects: mostly little jimmy m,
> >the guy who goes ballistic anytime someone taunts him; well, ok, there's
> >carson, who also goes ballistic.
> >
> >But jimmy m the right-wing whiner is always the favorite. Wait until we
> >expose the only photo of him "surfing" - stinkbugging it, actually - as
> >a fraud. He's going to scream, pout, make unsubstantiated accusations...
> >anything but show proof.
> >
> >Stick around Frenchy. Someday you, too, could be a contender.
>
> I'm not French, I'm black
In the water we're all black.
> and hang around the Dump
There's the problem. The Dump is a place to get some lip-
smackin' good waves, and then get out. The Dump grows on you (it
grows tumors on you). If the EPA could find the place, it would
be a Superfund site.
> in a huge
> Unkindness.
>
> Maybe we can discuss my contention over caffeine sometime. With your
> obvious experience in newgroup kookery, I'd surely be a strong
> contender next year.
Naw, just keep trolling Flek. He bites, he squirms, he squeals,
he flops around, swallows the hook - and refines his Kookery. If
you want to learn, learn from the best.
Tom Keener
<SPAMMENO...@snotmail.communist> wrote:
>In the water we're all black.
You've obviously never seen me in Hawaii.
All the Good Profiles are Taken
keen...@cts.com_but_not_this_part says...
> On Fri, 20 Dec 2002 03:29:39 GMT, All the Good Profiles are Taken
> <SPAMMENO...@snotmail.communist> wrote:
>
> >In the water we're all black.
>
> You've obviously never seen me in Hawaii.
That was my localism showing. On the Left Coast, north of LA, in
the water, we're all black. Or dead. None of the others even
matter.
superfly®
> Psssst, hey kook guess what? I have a pterygium almost
> as old as you are, from SURFING. I KNOW I could surf
> DOH OB on a 6'3" ... I would make it out, I would catch
> waves and I would ride them. Never said it would be
> easy or that I wouldn't be under gunned.
I've surfed similar breaks on a 6'8". But then I weigh in at
185-190 pds. Remember bud you will be carrying another
30-35 pounds. A wet wetsuit... But then again you weight what?
125 pds?
Tom Keener
<jgsi...@bikinigirls.com> wrote:
><ski...@blakestah.com> wrote in message
>news:25sM9.759$c64.65...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>> John Singer <jgsi...@bikinigirls.com> wrote:
>>
>> > <ski...@blakestah.com> wrote in message
>> > news:YurM9.288$TQ3.28...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com...
>> >> John Singer <jgsi...@bikinigirls.com> wrote:
>> >>... Backing out on 12-15ft OB
>> >> It was only 8 ft.
>But the one you are referring to above, it was more than 8ft. I was standing
>there for 40 min looking at the outside sets coming in that were going a
>10-12ft.
Ye olde size argument.
A couple of days ago, I posted a couple of video stills on
alt.binaries.pictures.sports.ocean.surfing. There was a shot of me
doing a layback, arms outstretched. I tried to figure out how big the
wave was. I think most people would call it a 6-8' wave. That's what I
called it. But when I got out a ruler and measured the screen, I was
surprised. My wingspan is 6'4", and my head is 11" high. The wave face
from the trough to just above my head is at least 12'. There's no way
I'd call it a 12' wave, but I can see how someone might.
Timothy B. Maddux
Tom Keener <keen...@cts.com_but_not_this_part> wrote:
>Ye olde size argument.
I think Bascom's book, or maybe Grigg's biography,
talks about an informal survey on wave heights
(all measured from the face) where a bunch of
observers on the beach watched the same waves,
and the heights they called varied by +/- 50%.
So remarkably, some people would call your wave
(for example) an 8' face, some a 4' face,
and some a 12' face.
--
.-``'. Tim Maddux, Postdoctoral Investigator, WHOI
.` .`~
_.-' '._ All your wave are belong to me!
lp
"Timothy B. Maddux" <tbma...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote in message
news:atv375$4q0$1...@naig.caltech.edu...
> In article <3e01f0f6....@nntp.cts.com>,
> Tom Keener <keen...@cts.com_but_not_this_part> wrote:
> >Ye olde size argument.
> So remarkably, some people would call your wave
> (for example) an 8' face, some a 4' face,
> and some a 12' face.
and some would just call it fun ;-)
lp
Awe F'shore
Small
Big
&
Fark!
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The Checkered Demon
> my head is 11" high.
>
Are you measuring the back, or the face?
-----
Checky D
Tom Keener
<DMon@zapDOTcom> wrote:
>"Tom Keener" wrote:
>> my head is 11" high.
>>
>
>Are you measuring the back, or the face?
The slope, from the tip of my chinny chin chin to the top of my
noggin.
Bud
> "Bud" <b...@wavelust.com> wrote
>
>>Psssst, hey kook guess what? I have a pterygium almost
>>as old as you are, from SURFING. I KNOW I could surf
>>DOH OB on a 6'3" ... I would make it out, I would catch
>>waves and I would ride them. Never said it would be
>>easy or that I wouldn't be under gunned.
>
>
> I've surfed similar breaks on a 6'8".
I rest my case ;)
> But then I weigh in at
> 185-190 pds. Remember bud you will be carrying another
> 30-35 pounds. A wet wetsuit...
Understood and considered. I'm pretty sure that
people in worse physical condition and with lesser
surfing ability than me have come from Hawaii to
Cali and surfed. I wore wetsuits (shortjohns &
springsuits) fairly often (sponsors) here in
Hawaii, and that was rubber technology from 1981.
The pit rash and seam burns killed me. Just out of
high school I spent 2 weeks in California and I
adjusted pretty quick to the full sleeves and
legs. My brother tells me I will be completely
shocked at how much wetsuits have improved since
then.
>But then again you weight what?
> 125 pds?
>
140 after lunch. 29 waist (I prefer Quiksilver
trunks if I made your XMas list)
Good surfing to you,
Bud
Timothy B. Maddux
>fairly often (sponsors) here in Hawaii...
Today's stretch fullsuits are much less
restrictive than old-school springsuits.
After wearing an Elasto fullsuit for one
winter I couldn't go back to my non-Elasto
springsuit.
P.S. Bud you have not voted for ASKOTY.
--
.-``'. Tim Maddux, Postdoctoral Investigator, WHOI
.` .`~
_.-' '._ "From the essence of pure stoke springs all creation."
superfly®
> Understood and considered. I'm pretty sure that
> people in worse physical condition and with lesser
> surfing ability than me have come from Hawaii to
> Cali and surfed.
OBSF is not your typical california break. This
is my experience and I believe most ppl will agree
who have surfed a multitude of cal breaks and OBSF.
But lets wait for Blake to weigh in here. His profound
revelation that "OB is not like a reef break" caught
me by surprise and I wouldn't want to make any more
wild accusations like saying that a longboard wouldn't
be the prefferred wave riding vehicle of choice on a
typical good fall surf day at OBSF by someone who
surfs on a regular basis.
> I wore wetsuits (shortjohns &
> springsuits) fairly often (sponsors) here in
> Hawaii, and that was rubber technology from 1981.
> The pit rash and seam burns killed me. Just out of
> high school I spent 2 weeks in California and I
> adjusted pretty quick to the full sleeves and
> legs. My brother tells me I will be completely
> shocked at how much wetsuits have improved since
> then.
Yes they are more flexible. However this doesn't change
the fact that you will surfing with another 30-35 pounds
distributed upon your body. The wetsuit tech may even
make them more absorbant?
Think of this as surfing at a break that you have never
surfed before with foon's body. But don't dwell upon
this thought...
> 140 after lunch. 29 waist (I prefer Quiksilver
> trunks if I made your XMas list)
Sorry. Try posting more surf content.
I'm a size 32 in case anyone is intertested...
Tom Keener
<superfly@the_ghetto.com> wrote:
>... Remember bud you will be carrying another
>30-35 pounds. A wet wetsuit...
Huh? Time for the surfnerds to weigh in. Literally. I have a hard time
believing a wet wetsuit weighs more than 20 lbs. Anybody have a
waterproof scale handy?
superfly®
it starts to shed pounds. By the time you get to the beach
it might weigh 20 pds.
"Tom Keener" <keen...@cts.com_but_not_this_part> wrote
Timothy B. Maddux
Tom Keener <keen...@cts.com_but_not_this_part> wrote:
>Huh? Time for the surfnerds to weigh in. Literally. I have a hard time
>believing a wet wetsuit weighs more than 20 lbs.
Terry's got ya covered, Tom. Look him up, or go here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=0f71d17a.e33d2e2f%40usw-ex0103-018.remarq.com
His wet wetsuit gained 2 lbs, after draining for 15 s.
--
.-``'. Tim Maddux, Postdoctoral Investigator, WHOI
.` .`~
_.-' '._ "Moderation in all things... including moderation."
pnwk
since the jail blazers are toasting the supes for now
really guys study the wave acquistion formula
the 6' 5" that worked soo good at 6' chuns may not the best choice for
10' sunset or 8' cape and take the point you could ride a 5' door and
still rip
Tom Keener
wrote:
>I did at first also, but as soon as your suit leaves the water,
>it starts to shed pounds. By the time you get to the beach
>it might weigh 20 pds.
A couple of things. One, a boardsurfer is sitting or standing on his
board (out of the water) most of the time, so it rarely weighs as much
as soaked. Two, at my beach there is a shower 100 yards away. I walk
to the shower, rinse off, take the wetsuit off, and walk back to drape
the wetsuit over the railing. The suit is soaking wet when I take it
off, and there's no way it weighs more than 20 lbs.
>"Tom Keener" <keen...@cts.com_but_not_this_part> wrote
>> Huh? Time for the surfnerds to weigh in. Literally. I have a hard time
>> believing a wet wetsuit weighs more than 20 lbs. Anybody have a
>> waterproof scale handy?
>
>
>
Tom Keener
superfly®
> A couple of things. One, a boardsurfer is sitting or standing on his
> board (out of the water) most of the time, so it rarely weighs as much
> as soaked.
Probably at the most critical time (the popup) the suit weighs the most.
> Two, at my beach there is a shower 100 yards away. I walk
> to the shower, rinse off, take the wetsuit off, and walk back to drape
> the wetsuit over the railing. The suit is soaking wet when I take it
> off, and there's no way it weighs more than 20 lbs.
Depends on the thickness of the suit, whether it has a hood, or not,
etc. I think 35pds was a the stat for a 6/5 w/hood, booties and gloves.
I believe this has all been hashed over by the ultimate authority of
truth in all things surf for most of you... surfermag
Awe F'shore
"superfly®" <superfly@the_pad> wrote in message
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Try this: <only applies to about 20% of AS. the rest, just visualize it>
Pop up and ride a wave. Cool.
Now, take a big, healthy wizz in your wetsuit, pop up, ride the wave.
Cool again. Any difference noticed, other than a nice warmth spreading
down your legs on your bottom turn?
All of these new variables begs the question:
Does any the aforementioned theories/stats take into account the
viscosity of piss in the rubber? And what about the composition of the
piss in the first place, ie: was the piss generated by a few cups of
coffee, orange or some other juice, or old, somewhat stale remnants of
last nights 24 Hempen Ales?
I'll bet Wall Hugger can take this even a step further...
Awe
The Checkered Demon
> Huh? Time for the surfnerds to weigh in. Literally. I have a hard time
> believing a wet wetsuit weighs more than 20 lbs. Anybody have a
> waterproof scale handy?
>
I checked out TH's post WRT wetsuits and % of weight when
soaked. I'm surprised he originally questioned the make-up
of neoprene, and its cell structure. As I recall, many of the
early rubber companies, such as Rubatex, and quite a few
wetsuit manufacturers, state that they use "closed cell neoprene".
So, contrary to what Kemnutz believes, neoprene is NOT porous.
Most of the water retained in a thoroughly soaked wetsuit is trapped
by the lining of the suit, not the rubber. How much water is absorbed,
per square inch, is more a function of the type of fabric used as a
lining. that being the case, you could have a 3mil suit that holds more
H20 than a 4mil, if the fabric is more absorbent.
There's an easy way to find out the weight gain of a fullsuit that's
completely soaked. First, put the suit in a container full of water that's
large enough to fit it without scrunching it, like a washtub, small
trash barrel, etc. Place the container next to your bathroom scale.
Step on the scale, and see how much you weigh. Then, pick up the
suit, and note the weight difference. Put the suit down, and check your
own weight, once more. If there's a different reading than the first #,
split the diff. So, if you, yourself, weigh 160, and the weight recorded
when you were holding the suit says 168, your suit, when soaked,
weighs 8 lbs. Simple enough, I'd say. I would guesstimate, without
having actually performed this test, that a 6/5/4 fullsuit, with gloves
and 7 mil boots, would not weigh more than ten lbs, soaking wet.
Granted, most bathroom scales may not be all that precise, but this
method would give a good ballpark figure.
Of course, YMMV...
---------
Checky D
The Checkered Demon
> since the jail blazers are toasting the supes for now
> really guys study the wave acquistion formula
> the 6' 5" that worked soo good at 6' chuns may not the best choice for
> 10' sunset or 8' cape and take the point you could ride a 5' door and
> still rip
>
Did you recently take a 'creative writing' course, given by
Bad Monkey?
--------
Check (one-two)
Mike Sullivan
"superflyŽ" wrote:
>
snip
>
>
> I'm a size 32 in case anyone is intertested...
Is that men's waist size or women's house dresss size?
(still christmas shopping)
Mike
superfly®
> So, if you, yourself, weigh 160, and the weight recorded
> when you were holding the suit says 168, your suit, when soaked,
> weighs 8 lbs. Simple enough, I'd say. I would guesstimate, without
> having actually performed this test, that a 6/5/4 fullsuit, with gloves
> and 7 mil boots, would not weigh more than ten lbs, soaking wet.
> Granted, most bathroom scales may not be all that precise, but this
> method would give a good ballpark figure.
> Of course, YMMV...
Divorced from reality. Doesn't take into account water trapped in
your boots, gloves, between your suit and your skin.
If you have spent any time hiking out of a spot with your
suit and gear on your back, you'll immediately realize it weighs more
than 10 pds. But seeing that you live the life of the drive-up urban surfer,
this doesn't surprise me that you are pissing into the wind.
pnwk
youre kidding me, creative, i get all my stuff from people magazine
The Checkered Demon
on the alt.surfing NG, and showed it's face to all.
That face, was the face of Lemorrhoid, who cluelessly wrote:
>Divorced from reality. Doesn't take into account water trapped in
>your boots, gloves, between your suit and your skin.
>
The amount would be negligible. Wait, you *do* know that you're
supposed to tuck your boots inside the legs of your suit, don't you?
I think you'll find they trap less water that way. Try it.
>If you have spent any time hiking out of a spot with your
>suit and gear on your back,
>
More times than you could imagine, fool. Try doing it through
knee deep snow. With a board, fullsuit, gloves, boots, etc,
two 35mm camera bodies, a tripod, two long (all metal) lenses,
a full 1 qt thermos, some food,
and a few other items.
> you'll immediately realize it weighs more
> than 10 pds.
>
No doubt it *feels* like more than ten lbs, to you, Mr Beer Gut.
You might try getting in shape. Those long walks won't
be as tiring.
Wait, am I missing something, here? This abbreviation you're
using : "pds"? Is that supposed to mean pounds , as in a unit
of measure, that indicates the weight of an object?
Just wanted to clear that up, since I'd like to be sure
we're both using the same standard. I'm not familiar
with this term, "pds". English is my native language, you see.
Anyway, a gallon of salt water weighs about 8.5 lbs.
I weighed my Rip Curl 6/5/4 Elasto, size Med-L, dry.
It weighed 4 lbs. For a suit to weigh 20 to 30
lbs, it would have to retain at least 15 to 20 lbs of water,
allowing for another lb in your boots and gloves. That would
mean your suit traps two gallons of water. You really are a
dimwit.
Did you bother reading the results of T Hendricks' experiment?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=0f71d17a.e33d2e2f%40usw-ex0103-018.rema
rq.com
He found that a suit similar to mine gained a total of just over 2 lbs,
for a combined weight of 6+ lbs. Even with your boots completely full,
the whole thing would be less than ten lbs.
(Don't forget to try that tip, about tucking your
boots into your suit legs.)
In your own words, lemorrhoid-
"Thats what happens when you talk too much about shit you know
very little about."
>But seeing that you live the life of the drive-up urban surfer,
>
Again, with the cluelessness. You really seem to have a problem
with the comprehension, retention, and interpretation of
information. Do you have some kind of learning disability?
ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED?
You probably live closer to a city, than I do, you microcephalic
poster boy for a charity telethon.
--------
Check (mate)
The Checkered Demon
> superflyČ <superfly@the_pad> wrote:
> > If you have spent any time hiking out of a spot with your
> > suit and gear on your back, you'll immediately realize it weighs more
> > than 10 pds.
>
>
Why repeat it, when he's wrong?
> The wetsuit on the way back is a bitch - 25-30
> pounds is my estimate.
>
I guess you didn't read Hendricks' write-up, either.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=0f71d17a.e33d2e2f%40usw-ex0103-018.rema
rq.com
If it *feels* that heavy, you need to think about getting in shape.
------
Checky D
superfly®
> supposed to tuck your boots inside the legs of your suit, don't you?
> I think you'll find they trap less water that way. Try it.
Thanks for the tip mr suburbia surf star
> No doubt it *feels* like more than ten lbs, to you, Mr Beer Gut.
> You might try getting in shape. Those long walks won't
> be as tiring.
> Wait, am I missing something, here? This abbreviation you're
> using : "pds"? Is that supposed to mean pounds , as in a unit
> of measure, that indicates the weight of an object?
Ah yes, I knew it wouldn't be long before your posts
evolved into a spelling bee.
You're busted you old fool.
> Just wanted to clear that up, since I'd like to be sure
> we're both using the same standard. I'm not familiar
> with this term, "pds". English is my native language, you see.
Are you done pulling the spelling and grammer card?
> Anyway, a gallon of salt water weighs about 8.5 lbs.
> I weighed my Rip Curl 6/5/4 Elasto, size Med-L, dry.
Size medium long? You must weight about 125 pds dripping
wet, huh? I'll bet you look pretty with long hair and makeup
on.
> It weighed 4 lbs. For a suit to weigh 20 to 30
> lbs, it would have to retain at least 15 to 20 lbs of water,
> allowing for another lb in your boots and gloves. That would
> mean your suit traps two gallons of water. You really are a
> dimwit.
> Did you bother reading the results of T Hendricks' experiment?
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=0f71d17a.e33d2e2f%40usw-ex0103-018.rema
> rq.com
>
> He found that a suit similar to mine gained a total of just over 2 lbs,
> for a combined weight of 6+ lbs. Even with your boots completely full,
> the whole thing would be less than ten lbs.
Try this mr suburbian surf star. Go surf somewhere you can't pull up
in your honda accord. Put your 6/5, your rash guard, your boots, your
gloves, your hood, in your pack, soaking wet and hike out. If you
don't have aheart attack, report back.
> Again, with the cluelessness. You really seem to have a problem
> with the comprehension, retention, and interpretation of
> information. Do you have some kind of learning disability?
> ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED?
> You probably live closer to a city, than I do, you microcephalic
> poster boy for a charity telethon.
<yawn>
superfly®
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=0f71d17a.e33d2e2f%40usw-ex0103-018.rema
> rq.com
One wetsuit, one person, does not a scientific experiment make. Frankly you
sound retarded.
Have you ever considered personal experience? Or do you have any personal
surf related experience? Maybe that's why you are so fixated on others ppls
experience and surfing magazines? Are you driftwood's daddy?
> If it *feels* that heavy, you need to think about getting in shape.
I'll bet I could rattle off 50 pushups, smack you around the room, do
50 more pushups before you even know what happened to you.
The Checkered Demon
simplefly wrote:
>> Checkered Demon wrote:
>> Anyway, a gallon of salt water weighs about 8.5 lbs.
>> I weighed my Rip Curl 6/5/4 Elasto, size Med-L, dry.
>>
>wet, huh? I'll bet you look pretty with long hair and makeup
>on.
>
You need to get some new material. Same old, same old, tired
routines. I mentioned the size, because I knew you'd have
some clever comment. Had I not given a size, you probably
would have said I wear an XS, or something else that was
equally as unimaginative.
>Try this mr suburbian surf star. Go surf somewhere you can't
>pull up in your honda accord.
> Put your 6/5, your rash guard, your boots, your
>gloves, your hood, in your pack, soaking wet and hike out.
>If you don't have aheart attack, report back.
>
First, it was "urban surfer", now it's "suburbian"[sic]. Both are wrong.
We've been over this, before. You conveniently have forgotten it,
though.
If I walk through the woods behind my house, to the crest of the
nearest rise, this is the view I have, to check the surf:
http://www.geocities.com/checkyd2000/Ridge5.jpg
Viewed from the air, my neighborhood looks like this:
http://www.geocities.com/checkyd2000/Ridge5.jpg
The "X" is the location of my house. The two large, light green
patches are a cow pasture, and a sheep farm. A far cry from
either an "urban" or "suburbian" [sic] location.
Again, lemorrhoid, more facts to prove you wrong.
Really, you need some new material. You keep recycling the same
tired-ass, juvenile stuff.
I replied to this already. You 'selectively' snipped it. I was doing
exactly what you describe above, when you were in diapers.
Like I said before, try doing it in knee deep snow.
>Have you ever considered personal experience? Or do you have
>any personal surf related experience?
>
Yes to both . Going back to before you were born.
Typical of your MO, you ignore facts, and hard evidence. When
you're presented with facts that refute your warped thinking, you
haul out the same handful of not so clever insults that you've
been relying on for years, now. Instead of trying to support your
side of the argument with actual, proven numbers, you resort to
put-downs produced by your narrow, egocentric imagination.
The evidence speaks for itself. A wetsuit would have to retain
about two gallons of water, in order for it to weigh 20+ lbs.
Hendricks' test showed a weight gain of just over 2 lbs.
You claim, without proof to back it up, that a suit can gain
15 to 25 lbs. That's a huge difference.
Explain , without reverting to your fantasy world, how
that is possible.
--------------------
Checky D
"Just the facts, ma'am" - Sgt Joe Friday
The Checkered Demon
Here's the right one:
Viewed from the air, my neighborhood looks like this:
The "X" is the location of my house. The two large, light green
patches are a cow pasture, and a sheep farm. A far cry from
either an "urban" or "suburbian" [sic] location.
----------
@lex
"The Checkered Demon" <DMon@zapDOTcom> a écrit dans le message de news:
v0gme71...@corp.supernews.com...
> If I walk through the woods behind my house, to the crest of the
> nearest rise, this is the view I have, to check the surf:
> http://www.geocities.com/checkyd2000/Ridge5.jpg
Nice! Where's that you live?
@lex
Timothy B. Maddux
The Checkered Demon <DMon@zapDOTcom> wrote:
>http://www.geocities.com/checkyd2000/Xcasa.jpg
404.
Since sdbchguy's test was done with a not-worn
wetsuit in a bucket, the best test would be on
a person, say, Bud. Weigh Bud dry, then weigh
him soaking wet (water on the skin does weigh
something even w/out a suit). Then weigh him
with a dry wetsuit, on, then with a soaking wet
wetsuit on. The difference in the two soaking
wet weights is the weight gain.
--
.-``'. Tim Maddux, Postdoctoral Investigator, WHOI
.` .`~
_.-' '._ All your wave are belong to me!
SurffOhio
>The kookshaw is well suited for carrying
>excessive amounts of pointless crap (such as you listed) through the snow in
>surfless areas (such as yours).
>
>
Stokely, it's Xmas Eve. Be of good
cheer. Btw,
you haven't told me who you are, if
you are a profile, or where you hail
from.
Surff
The Checkered Demon
> Can Craig interest you in a kookshaw? The kookshaw is well suited for
carrying
> excessive amounts of pointless crap (such as you listed) through the snow
in
> surfless areas (such as yours).
should do
> yourself a favor and look into the recent and radical invention known as a
> "ski".
>
1-Skis would be useless for the terrain in question.
2- Cameras, food, and hot coffee are hardly "pointless crap".
3- You know shit about the area where I surf.
4- Are you an alternate 'superfly' profile, or am I responding
to different ignorant asshole?
--------------
Checky D
The Checkered Demon
> The Checkered Demon <DMon@zapDOTcom> wrote:
> >http://www.geocities.com/checkyd2000/Xcasa.jpg
>
> 404.
>
sensitive. This will work:
http://www.geocities.com/checkyd2000/Xcasa.JPG
> Since sdbchguy's test was done with a not-worn
> wetsuit in a bucket, the best test would be on
> a person, say, Bud. Weigh Bud dry, then weigh
> him soaking wet (water on the skin does weigh
> something even w/out a suit). Then weigh him
> with a dry wetsuit, on, then with a soaking wet
> wetsuit on. The difference in the two soaking
> wet weights is the weight gain.
>
Yes Tim, sounds like a good test, to me ;-).
Still, even with your method, I want one of these
know-it-alls to explain to me, in factual terms, how
a wetsuit can retain 2 or more gallons of water (15-25 lbs).
----------
Checky D
The Checkered Demon
CD wrote:
> >Mistakenly used the same URL, twice.
> >Here's the right one:
> >Viewed from the air, my neighborhood looks like this:
> >http://www.geocities.com/checkyd2000/Xcasa.jpg
>
>
geocities file extensions are 'case sensitive'. I was not aware
of that. You want to complain, talk to my lawyer.
> >The "X" is the location of my house.
>
> The one you rent, you mean.
>
True. Still, you couldn't afford it.
> >The two large, light green
> >patches are a cow pasture, and a sheep farm. A far cry from
> >either an "urban" or "suburbian" [sic] location.
>
> Also far from a surf location.
>
Yup, you're so right. A whole 3/4 of a mile.
This link will work now, as amended.
http://www.geocities.com/checkyd2000/Xcasa.JPG
For scale, the photo covers roughly 2-1/2 by 3-1/2 miles.
See that 'shiny' section along the upper right edge?
That's the ocean.
See the swell lines, pushing in?
No surf here. Yup, ain't none. No kind, no way, no how.
--------------------------
Checky D
Doc on the road
"The Checkered Demon" <DMon@zapDOTcom> wrote in message
news:v0hnqrn...@corp.supernews.com...
> "Timothy B. Maddux" wrote:
> > The Checkered Demon <DMon@zapDOTcom> wrote:
> > >http://www.geocities.com/checkyd2000/Xcasa.jpg
> >
> > 404.
> >
> Arrrggh!!! Stinkin' geocities file extensions are case
> sensitive. This will work:
> http://www.geocities.com/checkyd2000/Xcasa.JPG
Where in the world is........
>
> > Since sdbchguy's test was done with a not-worn
> > wetsuit in a bucket, the best test would be on
> > a person, say, Bud. Weigh Bud dry, then weigh
> > him soaking wet (water on the skin does weigh
> > something even w/out a suit). Then weigh him
> > with a dry wetsuit, on, then with a soaking wet
> > wetsuit on. The difference in the two soaking
> > wet weights is the weight gain.
> >
> Yes Tim, sounds like a good test, to me ;-).
> Still, even with your method, I want one of these
> know-it-alls to explain to me, in factual terms, how
> a wetsuit can retain 2 or more gallons of water (15-25 lbs).
When you put it that way, it has ta be one of these-
http://www.dui-online.com/newsite/dry_hot.htm with the two gallons of heated
water in it.
A newer, lighter ( slightly ) item - sure to be first on Gleshna's 2003 Xmas
list
http://www.dui-online.com/Catalog/e-liner.html
batteries not included...... nor the small raft to carry 'em. Betcha those
suckers are heavy.
doc........ 'Blue water's my daughter, gonna sink like a stone.....' - Tom
Waits, 'Shiver Me Timbers' .........
> ----------
> Checky D
>
>
The Checkered Demon
doesn't work,
> http://www.geocities.com/checkyd2000/Xcasa.jpg
>
.......but this one will:
http://www.geocities.com/checkyd2000/Xcasa.JPG
Corbeau
<jfmil...@attbi.com> wrote:
>water in it.
>
>A newer, lighter ( slightly ) item - sure to be first on Gleshna's 2003 Xmas
>list
>http://www.dui-online.com/Catalog/e-liner.html
>
>batteries not included...... nor the small raft to carry 'em. Betcha those
>suckers are heavy.
>
>doc........ 'Blue water's my daughter, gonna sink like a stone.....' - Tom
>Waits, 'Shiver Me Timbers' .........
>> ----------
Not really because you would probably be carrying the battery anyway.
Also, in diving there are other considerations I'll get to at the end.
Before one too many friends bought it, I spent my freetime diving deep
using a rebreather. Water's cold here so hypothermia on multi-hour
deco stops is a problem. A guy I knew had an electric undergarment
for his drysuit that had underwater connects plumbed through the
chest. When he would finish the dive and start doing deco, he would
unplug the lighthead from his battery cannister and plug it into the
drysuit undergarment. He was also looking at phase-change material
and other options to make deco more survivable.
Weight isn't as much of an issue in diving and the item can be made to
be neutrally bouyant or close to it. Mass is more important because
you still have to push it around. My deepwater rebreather rig weighed
in at just under 100lbs; breather, steel backplate,twin steel 45s and
their metal frame, regs, etc. It was a bitch to get back up the
ladder but underwater it was just the size and hydrodynamics that were
a problem. The mass issue was overcome with a scooter - almost as
much fun as surfing, flying underwater on a deadquiet rebreather with
a scooter...
Here's what the light with battery cannister looks like:
http://www.halcyon.net/lights/helios.shtml
If you're interested in the rebreather, I used the previous bigger
version of this: http://www.halcyon.net/rebreather/index.shtml
C.
Doc on the road
"Corbeau" <Cor...@Unkindness.com> wrote in message
news:kkth0vghrvd8oauh8...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 24 Dec 2002 17:42:29 -0500, "Doc on the road"
> <jfmil...@attbi.com> wrote:
>
>
> >water in it.
> >
> >A newer, lighter ( slightly ) item - sure to be first on Gleshna's 2003
Xmas
> >list
> >http://www.dui-online.com/Catalog/e-liner.html
> >
> >batteries not included...... nor the small raft to carry 'em. Betcha
those
> >suckers are heavy.
> >
> >doc........ 'Blue water's my daughter, gonna sink like a stone.....' -
Tom
> >Waits, 'Shiver Me Timbers' .........
> >> ----------
>
>
> Not really because you would probably be carrying the battery anyway.
> Also, in diving there are other considerations I'll get to at the end.
Naw, just goofin' man. My little brother is a pro diver, working way inside
( jeezus, 2000' + inside, they gave him a bonus after 1200' . ) pipelines.
Hot water suit, surface supplied everything - he was saying he had to modify
the gear so he could turn around in the pipe.....
Not for me, man, I get neurotic in subways.
But the batteries would be kind of a ....drag? ....while surfing.
>
> Before one too many friends bought it, I spent my freetime diving deep
> using a rebreather. Water's cold here so hypothermia on multi-hour
> deco stops is a problem. A guy I knew had an electric undergarment
> for his drysuit that had underwater connects plumbed through the
> chest. When he would finish the dive and start doing deco, he would
> unplug the lighthead from his battery cannister and plug it into the
> drysuit undergarment. He was also looking at phase-change material
> and other options to make deco more survivable.
>
> Weight isn't as much of an issue in diving and the item can be made to
> be neutrally bouyant or close to it. Mass is more important because
> you still have to push it around. My deepwater rebreather rig weighed
> in at just under 100lbs; breather, steel backplate,twin steel 45s and
> their metal frame, regs, etc. It was a bitch to get back up the
> ladder but underwater it was just the size and hydrodynamics that were
> a problem. The mass issue was overcome with a scooter - almost as
> much fun as surfing, flying underwater on a deadquiet rebreather with
> a scooter...
>
> Here's what the light with battery cannister looks like:
> http://www.halcyon.net/lights/helios.shtml
>
> If you're interested in the rebreather, I used the previous bigger
> version of this: http://www.halcyon.net/rebreather/index.shtml
Jeez- this is fascinating stuff to me, as it's been a while ( back to when
double-hose gear was standard and there was no such thing as cards) since I
played with scuba. Rebreather gear has come one hell of a long way since I
last looked, let alone the rest of it. They still doing anything with
liquified gases?
doc.....
lemons!
> sensitive.
Been on the internet long, ya dumb ass?
> Yes Tim, sounds like a good test, to me ;-).
You stupid ass kisser.
> Still, even with your method, I want one of these
> know-it-alls to explain to me, in factual terms, how
> a wetsuit can retain 2 or more gallons of water (15-25 lbs).
Coming right up, ya 50 y/o anoerexic roadie...
lemons!
> You need to get some new material. Same old, same old, tired
> routines. I mentioned the size, because I knew you'd have
> some clever comment. Had I not given a size, you probably
> would have said I wear an XS, or something else that was
> equally as unimaginative.
Talk about new material. have we *ever* seen a surf report from
you? How about pics of waves? Then you upload a pic of a coast
line that looks like hell on earth. Cold lifeless dunes and flat ocean.
Why not make the final move to the great lakes? That way you can
absolutely hide from anything that resembles a wave...
Maybe craig will hook you up with a kookshaw so you can carry
all your shit in it. Dueling kookshaws!
> I replied to this already. You 'selectively' snipped it. I was doing
> exactly what you describe above, when you were in diapers.
> Like I said before, try doing it in knee deep snow.
Bullshit. Anyway that was then, this is now. WTF do you do NOW?
> Yes to both . Going back to before you were born.
> Typical of your MO, you ignore facts, and hard evidence. When
> you're presented with facts that refute your warped thinking, you
> haul out the same handful of not so clever insults that you've
> been relying on for years, now. Instead of trying to support your
> side of the argument with actual, proven numbers, you resort to
> put-downs produced by your narrow, egocentric imagination.
> The evidence speaks for itself. A wetsuit would have to retain
> about two gallons of water, in order for it to weigh 20+ lbs.
> Hendricks' test showed a weight gain of just over 2 lbs.
> You claim, without proof to back it up, that a suit can gain
> 15 to 25 lbs. That's a huge difference.
> Explain , without reverting to your fantasy world, how
> that is possible.
Here's the hard evidence. Wetsuits come in different flavors.
Different sizes, different thicknesses, different materials. Does
the wetsuit have single nylon or double nylon lining? Is it "smooth"
or "spongy". When one senior citizen like yourself measures water
retention with one wetsuit it means squat, you stupid mexican crack
baby. Depending on the materials, the wetsuit will absorb more or
less. But you wouldn't know that because you prolly haven't bought
a wetsuit on over a decade. When they all were made the same.
I know what 10 pds, 20 pds, 25 pds and 30 pds feels like when
I pick it up. Spend some time in the weight room, you skinny fuck
and talk to me. You certainly need it. BTW, pds = pounds.
Not only that, anywhere from a ˝ gallon to a gallon immediately
leaves the suit as soon as you leave the water. Within the first 3
seconds.
merry xmas, ya 50 y/o anorexic roadie!
Corbeau
>> "The Checkered Demon" <DMon@zapDOTcom> wrote
>>> You claim, without proof to back it up, that a suit can gain
>>> 15 to 25 lbs. That's a huge difference.
>>> Explain , without reverting to your fantasy world, how
>>> that is possible.
>
>I semi-regularly go to a surf spot with a 30 minute hike in. My wetsuit
>is stuffed in a backpack. After surfing, that backpack is about 2
>gallons of water heavier. This is all due to water retention in the
>towel, wetsuit, booties, rashguard, and occasionally hood.
>
>That 16 pounds is just my estimate. But you REALLY notice it every
>time you haul the wetsuit out, and we regularly joke that we should soak
>our wetsuits before hiking in just so that the backpack weight is the
>same coming and going.
>
>I believe this is the observation that lemons! is relying upon. I don't
>think this is rocket science, I would wager many surfers on this group
>have done hike-in surfing and can corroborate.
>
>-PA
At the few spots I've been to around here, the hike is always steep
downhill to the break. Trudging back up that muddly flucker the
backpack feels like it gained a helluva lot more than 20lbs.
As an aside, this thread has gotten me thinking about the resistence
to movement that a thick wetsuits adds. Sort of like doing a hundred
sets at a superlow setting of an exercise machine. After a long day
in my 6/4, I just seem to feel much more beat than I did in the summer
in a 4mil. Don't hink it's the cold 'cause I actually feel warmer in
the 6/4. The new Ultimate Elasto is an awesome suit. Until your arms
are shot and you've got to get out of the dmn thing.
Happy Xmas to all,
C.