A request of 'kelpzoidzl'

[JazzIs TvRicky]

Please offer us more of your wonderful resources and knowledge of Nichiren's Teachings and the Experience you have had while practicing in NSA.

Although you may have drained yourself in the past sharing your valuable contributions please bring them forth for those of us who were not fortunate enough to be around in the past.

We need what you have to offer👀🙏👌🏽

Sincerely Richard

[Katie Higgins]

Get off your lazy bum and read the archives , Ricky !

[JazzIs TvRicky]

Where are they?

[kelpzoidzl]

The "archives" consist of constant arguing and name calling.

There are a few things


One day in 1967, while sitting outside the cafeteria at Los
Angeles Valley College a young man with white pants and a white shirt
and a thin black tie, approached Rob.
"Have you ever heard of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo?" asked the young man,
who handed Rob a slip of paper with the words mimeographed.
"No," said Rob curiously. "What is it?"
"Just chant these words and get anything you want,: said the young
man.
"Like witchcraft?" asked Rob.
"No, it's not witchcraft. Just chant and you get anything you
want."
Rob didn't remember the word Buddhism being mentioned by the
man. After the man walked away to go tell someone else, Rob
folded up the slip and put it in his top pocket. The Tibetan
Buddhism Rob was most familiar with at that time was quiet
meditation and the idea of chanting words to get physical "things" if
not like witchcraft seemed very shady and possibly heretical. That
night, driving on Mulholland drive with Gloria, in his stark, 1957
Porsche, smoking marijuana, he remembered the words in his pocket,
and removed the slip. He explained the chant to Gloria and repeated
what the man had said about getting anything you chanted for.
"If this is really true, can you imagine what would happen?" said
Rob to Gloria. "I'm going to chant for a Maserati right now." He
repeated the words three times, struggling with the pronunciation.
He made a prayer in his mind. "I want a Maserati in five minutes."
The Maserati never came, but True Buddhism was now waiting in his
unconscious in a more highly charged way than before he had heard the
four words.
A few months later, turning left onto Laurel Canyon in the
direction of the hills he gave a ride to a hitchhiker. She was very
young, skinny with stringy, blond hair; getting in his car she asked,
"Have you ever heard of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo?"
He said, "Yeah I think so."
Before the words were out of her mouth she changed the
subject, "got any speed?"
"No, I'm not into that." He could now see the mask-like face of
the girl. Her dark blue eyes were riveted into full dilation.
"Wanna fuck?" she asked.
The girl had spoken three times. The first time she had
expounded the Law of the universe, the second time she asked for
drugs and the third time she surrendered her body. The paradox was
more obvious to him later.
Not wanting to turn her down, but still in love with Gloria, he
casually turned her down.
Nearly a year later, Rob would be active in the Buddhist
Organization, called Nichiren Shoshu of America. At gatherings,
whenever he saw a skinny blond, he'd study her face, trying to remember
what the hitchiker had looked like. The memory was vague. After a
few months he had narrowed her down to one of two girls, the first
possibility was the wife of a top leader, the second was Cynthia
Polecat. (A year later Cynthia would be his brother Glen's
girlfriend.)
While Rob's connection with Buddhism was unfolding, Glen too was
hearing the four words. He had a school chum who had started
chanting. A few months after Rob had first prayed for the
Maserati, Glen was whisked out to a ceremony where he was handed a
mysterious scroll. Rob walked in on a little group of younger
teenage chanters, enshrining the scroll into a cardboard box on
Glen's bedroom wall.
After a few weeks, Rob noticed the scroll was no longer on
Glen's wall and asked what happened to it. Glen produced a box and
showed Rob that the scroll was rolled up and put away. Glen asked,
"You want it?"
Rob liked the bold Chinese characters and took it. He hung the
Gohonzon up on the wall of his and Gloria's Hollywood Hills hideaway,
in between posters of the I-Ching hexagrams and a giant psychedelic
goddess Astarte.
His previous acid trips often involved meditations and
studies from the lower Sutras. He had not yet seen a volume of the
Lotus Sutra and it had not yet become obvious that the Scroll hanging
on his wall was the True Object of Worship.
Every weekend he would take an increasingly larger dose of LSD
and meditate. He had uncovered secrets about the duality of good and
evil.
A few weeks before his turning point, on 1000 mcg. of acid, he
had asked himself, "who's voice is this in my mind? His
conscious voice, who is this...this voice talking right now?"
Suddenly the fabric of the universe rolled up and revealed that the
voice was the voice of god. As far as the eye could see giant golden
books filled with the Word of god, filled the universe. HE WAS GOD.
"I'M GOD, FOR PETE'S SAKES! ME OF ALL PEOPLE! NO WAIT, I"M NOT THE
ONLY ONE...EVERYONE IS GOD...THEY JUST DON'T KNOW IT YET AND I DO! WE
ARE ALL ONE!.
The following week, Rob spent in omniscient splendor and
bliss. He was some sort of messiah...or something. He wanted to find
out what the 'or something,' doubt meant, so he fasted and prepared
to take 1500mcg. He found the what appeared to be the Milky Way
floating in his forehead. He could believe what he was seeing. If it
was really the Milky Way than his consciousness had just expanded to
giant size!
"OKAY, IF THIS IS REALLY THE MILKY WAY, THEN WHERE IS THE SUN?
In his expanded mind, he had searched for the sun amidst the stars
of the milky way. Suddenly the universe began to fall, roll and spin.
He saw deep below him a rising burning ball of light. Intuitively he
knew it was the sun, inside-out and inside of his mind! He became
overjoyed with bliss, orgasmic bliss, as the orb rose steadily upwards
towards his immediate awareness. Suddenly as he seemed sure of some
great impending, climactic enlightenment a giant clawed hand , tore
away a curtain of stars and revealed a horrid Satan-like devil, with
horns a tail and a horrid pitchfork, towering over him, taller than
the fabric of space itself. It was his sin of pride his arrogance;
he felt caught in the act of having an obscene orgasm in the presence
of the pristine universe and being interrupted by an evil monster.
The devil grabbed him and threw him into the inferno.
Over the next two weeks Rob sat and integrated his last two
trips. At first the shame was overwhelming, but after a few days he
began to regain the objectivity that had been shattered by the devil.
He could see the extremes of good and evil, up and down and in and out
within him. How would this resolve itself?
It was in the spring of 1968, after numerous powerful experiments
with LSD, when he experienced the most amazing psychedelic experience
he'd ever had. It was a major turning point. This trip, he had fasted
beforehand for two weeks and washed down a pill with a few sips of
orange juice. He began to study the Gohonzon, which suddenly seemed to
come alive. He began to chant the Daimoku very slowly. The words
expanded as they came out of his mouth and he could feel them reaching
deep into the universe. In just five minutes after taking an unknown
quantity of S.T.P., and chanting Nam Myoho Renge Kyo, three times he
experienced the most profound psychedelic experience he had ever had.
Everything -- all the questions of life became at least temporarily
crystal clear. It was easy. The middle way opened up in his mind's
eye and he remembered being there before....many times. Many births and
deaths, an infinite number of times. He realized he was a buddha, but
could feel a sense of redundancy, as though he had realized and seen the
same thing just the other day, but had failed to understand, thereby
making it necessary to see it again and again. He realized that in
this lifetime, the old Buddhism was extinct and a more fundamental
Buddhism was now ready to build a new future. A future universe that
was youthful and dynamic, not static and decaying.
His vision was of a supremely ancient path, bordered by golden
ropes, enshrined between twin candlesticks as tall as infinite
galaxies. The path was a predefined past, present and future. A very
familiar one. It felt like he had been trying for centuries to free
himself from the old karma connected up with the oldest religious
imprints that remained in there. A cobra snake hovered on the
hallucinogenic horizon, eyeing him. like in the Hindu paintings. The
snake body seemed to be the path itself. The snakes ribs were like his
own DNA coil. It was the real meaning of the serpent of the old
testament and that of Kundalini yoga, being the human spine and the now
visible centers within the body that had awoken by the power of his
concentration and his unconscious control of the energy of his own
being.
The path led to a structure -- a tall building -- that was as
familiar as his own belly-button. It was so old; empty, dark and
depleted of power. But as he got closer to the structure, something
started to happen. As he drifted into the building his mind melding
with it, a subtle change occurred. A cornerstone came out of the
building along edge nearest to him. A keystone was removed by an
irresistible force. He felt himself breaking free from the ancient
karma. He passed through the building and into a new path, free from
old outdated karma. A new vitality filled his whole body. All previous
beliefs dissolved in the brighter light of True Buddhism. He didn't
really understand what had happened to him, but the memory of that
experience would always be the revelation of his prime point in faith.
For many hours which seemed like lifetimes he remained in this
state of experience. and gradually he was reborn as though coming back
to the earth through a black hole on the other side of the Stupa. In
his Mystic Hands were a pair of Prayer beads which he rubbed slowly
between his palms. He had reclined back from the Lotus position and
into fetal position and as he did so he noticed the beads mysteriously
in his hands, His rubbing the beads was like turning back and forth of
a yarn spindle with which he was spinning the fabric of the entire
universe.
Later he saw Nichiren Shoshu believer's beads embodied out of his
own vision with three tufts on the left side and two tufts on the right
and he remembered them from his experience. The Golden Cranes too,
which he saw on the Candlestick also were manifested on the Nichiren
Shoshu Candlesticks. Truly he had seen the innermost depths of his own
life and the bridge where reality as it is and the mysterious place
after death and before life, is traveled by all beings. He had seen
that it was the path which was even more basic to life then the DNA
helix which he had seen coiling into his mind.
Within a few months while monastery-hopping on Oahu, he had
stumbled onto a translation of the Saddharma Pundarika Sutra,
otherwise known as the Lotus Sutra or the Myoho Renge Kyo. It was the
most amazing Buddhist sutra he had ever read and the ceremony in the
air, contained in the Sutra, as the ultimate congress of Buddhas and
Bodhisattvas, completely verified his personal experience. Up till
that time, he had only studied Tibetan Buddhism, Zen, Tien-t’ai
meditation, and other sutras of Shakyamuni. They fit in great with
his early LSD experimentation and temporarily served as good guide
books for learning more advanced theories and meditations. By that
time he definitely favored Buddhism over the other religions, but
still wasn't fully satisfied. He intuitively knew that there had to be
a greater teaching of Shakyamuni that he had not yet discovered in
western book catalogs; the Lotus Sutra was that higher teaching. It
was Nichiren Daishonin who was able to go even further and expound
the true cause of all Buddha's enlightenment.

* * *

Buddhism had become popular in the west in the late
nineteenth and early twentieth century. Dr. Max Muller, the
German born, scholar of Indo European languages, published the Rig Veda
in Oxford, England in 1849 and from 1979-1904, he published the 51
volume, Sacred Books of the East series. Sir Edward Arnold's,
Light of Asia, published in 1879, was the first book to reach the
masses. These publications, first brought early Buddhist
teachings to the reformed Lutherian, post-Darwinian, Christians
in Europe and America. For the first time, the Christian
thinkers, became aware of the Buddha who preceded Christ,
historically. It opened up a new world of faith. The idea of
more than one Avatar, became popular. The Judeo-Christian concept
of the 'Messiah' took on a more eternal meaning, influenced by eastern
religion. Reincarnation and Karma, became a more correct
interpretation of the Christian resurrection. Now Christ was just one
of the incarnations of God. Many Westerners began to believe that in
the light of these old, but new concepts, many confusing things in the
bible, had started to make sense.
A powerful woman named Madame Petrovna Blavatsky, was
discovered by an spiritualist investigator, Colonel Henry S.
Olcutt. He popularized her to the community of spiritualists,
mediums, Platonists, Cabalists, Gnostics, followers of Masonry, Magic
and practitioners from all types of secret societies. The Theosophy
Society was formed in 1875, H.P.B., published, "Isis Unveiled," in
1877. Other names became known, Annie Besant, Leadbeater,
Zen and Tibetan Buddhism later became popular with the
beatniks of the 1950's. There had been many books written by
westerners about Buddhism, but they usually only discussed the same
sutras that Rob had already read. Only the tip of the Buddhist
iceberg was easily available to the west.
Shortly after his profound experience, he stumbled onto the Lotus
Sutra and a few days later, an old biography of Nichiren.
He was immediately convinced that the Lotus Sutra was the
ultimate teaching of Shakyamuni Buddha. He found himself in a state
of total joy, awe and recognition. Not until he read the excerpts
from the writings of Nichiren, which were scattered through-out the
biography, did his understanding crystallize. He was blown away. He
knew with unmistakable certainty that for all the trouble it caused
him, every moment of being alive was worth more than anything in the
universe. He realized that survival of the fittest was not the end
all. There was a lot more to come.
In the Sutra, Shakyamuni told his followers to "honestly
discard the provisional sutras and only follow the supreme way of the
Lotus Sutra." Could there be any doubt? The thing that most amazed
him was that the meaning of the profound acid trip, which when he
returned to usual consciousness, seemed so mysterious and
mind-boggling................................

[kelpzoidzl]

There a a number of versions of this essay, only a portion of it is onlne. It is called, "In the Land of the Rose Apple" or "The Gohonzon is a Picture of the Sky" I show how the Shoten Zenjin and other characters on Gohonzon, originate from the Vedas and appear later in Buddhism and that they all correspond to astronomical objects as seen by the ancients around the world and later used to define Ichinen Sanzen.

Unfortunately trying to explain these things on arbn was like talkng to monkees or explaining things to termites. There were very few cases of actual, congruent questions.

Here I bring out the historical origins of the Characters on Gohonzon and the Mahayana, with a stress on the 8th (alaya) and 9th consciousness. Because these notes were really written for myself to sort it out, they only brought out hostility.

https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!searchin/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/Rose$20apple$20island/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/lkwYlgtd-zc

[kelpzoidzl]

My old website 2011-2014 which i've posted a few article from, is from the wayback machine, so the videos arent there, put the pictures remain. The website was on the domain I own, www.saddharmapundarika.com. Called Saddharma Pundarika...The Last Spoon-feeding on Rose Apple Island.

Two youtube channels, Theremonstration and Sinclair Cole.

I have been working on a project currently, for some time.

[kelpzoidzl]

Various sutras and writings especially the Hosho Ron referred to by the Daishonin.

http://web.archive.org/web/20140201153912/http://www.saddharmapundarika.com/?p=716

[kelpzoidzl]

http://web.archive.org/web/20140201170945/http://www.saddharmapundarika.com/?p=417

[Chas.]

David Cole, Knight of Mirrors and the Quest of Quixote +

It was on Sunday, September 24, 2017 at 9:14:55 AM UTC-7; kelpzoidzl wrote:
> Using the reporting SPAM feature on Chas's constantly repeated SPAM posts, by all readers here, will work.

We should try and remember that alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren is an alt group, which is the wild west and completely unmoderated.

If you wanted to create your own moderated group, where you can preach your unmitigated hatred of the SGI without ever being rebutted, you will need to form your own group NOT in the alt.group subsection of USENET.

What I do is NOT spam, because I mostly react to hate speech directed at the SGI and distorting Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism into Shinto statue worshiping of Shakyamuni as God Almighty, which is where the association and complicity with Nichiren Shu ultimately leads to.

As I have stated repeatedly, David Cole is not an impartial moderator above the fray and trying to bring peace. David Cole revealed his true intent by preying upon a dying George Williams with the intent of causing him to denounce President Ikeda before Mr. Williams passed away.

That attempt, the grand attempt of David Cole's career as a turncoat traitor to Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism, failed utterly to succeed. In that win-or-lose gamble, David Cole revealed his true intent for all to see: the destruction of the SGI.

We really don't need another Yamazaki, David Cole, that job's been filled.

-Chas.
___________________________________________________________

On Sunday, September 24, 2017 at 10:38:47 AM UTC-7, kelpzoidzl wrote:
> What you do is completly against the guidance of Pres Toda in the chapters I posted..
>
> Free speech is not freedom to SPAM and disrupt.
>
> The SGI has already betrayed itself and departed from the spirit of Buddhism by destroying NSA and creating the schsm along with Nikken. What they do in Japan is their business. They only way to fix it in the USA is for priests and laypeople to reunite. This would take the laypeople to demand it and a similar reform movement within the priesthood.
>
> The arbn is pathetic. Your SPAMMING is ill. You are just like a CB spammer clone. Strictly a disrupter and SPAMMER.
>
> You need to actually practice buddhism to overcome what is clearly a disability. You create no value here. You are making bad karma..
>
> Nichiren was not a spammer.

When people listen to what sounds like smooth-tongued confident and influential rhetoric from David Cole, just remember this image:

David Cole visiting Mr. George Williams in his home as he was near the end, working him over, bathing him with that smooth-tongued rhetoric, trying to get him to denounce Daisaku Ikeda, the man who is the single solitary reason that Mr. Williams began to practice Buddhism and found his mission.

Think of poor Mr. Williams, writhing on his death-bed, incapable of escaping from the oily distorting half-truths and outright lies that issued from this snake-oil salesman's mouth.

So many long-time members are ringed with old and dear chanting friends as they lay dying, but what does Mr. Williams get instead? A slimy procurer seeking one simple treasonous phrase, a vicious sound-bite to crush the Kosen Rufu movement that Mr. Williams spent his life helping to build and protect.

In spite of that irresistible onslaught of seductive treachery, like a broken Quixote facing the Knight of Mirrors in complete isolation, Mr. Williams resists to the bitter end, and a welcome death.
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The Quest.

ALDONZA
Why do you do these things?

DON QUIXOTE
What things?

ALDONZA
These ridiculous... the things you do!

DON QUIXOTE
I hope to add some measure of grace to the world.

ALDONZA
The world's a dung heap and we are maggots that crawl on it!

DON QUIXOTE
My Lady knows better in her heart.

ALDONZA
What's in my heart will get me halfway to hell.
And you, Senor Don Quixote-you're going to take
such a beating!

DON QUIXOTE
Whether I win or lose does not matter.

ALDONZA
What does?

DON QUIXOTE
Only that I follow the quest.

ALDONZA
(spits)
That for your Quest!
(turns, marches away; stops, turns bock
and asks, awkwardly)
What does that mean... quest?

DON QUIXOTE
It is the mission of each true knight...
His duty... nay, his privilege!
To dream the impossible dream,
To fight the unbeatable foe,
To bear with unbearable sorrow
To run where the brave dare not go;
To right the unrightable wrong.

To love, pure and chaste, from afar,
To try, when your arms are too weary,
To reach the unreachable star!

This is my Quest to follow that star,
No matter how hopeless, no matter how far,
To fight for the right
Without question or pause,
To be willing to march into hell
For a heavenly cause!

And I know, if I'll only be true
To this glorious Quest,
That my heart will lie peaceful and calm
When I'm laid to my rest.

And the world will be better for this,
That one man, scorned and covered with scars,
Still strove, with his last ounce of courage,
To reach the unreachable stars!
___________________________________________________________

Just think of that image when you hear or read anything that comes from David Cole, the wannabe Yamazaki.

-Chas.

[JazzIs TvRicky]

Thank you for this information and please offer up what you think we should discover in our pursuit of Faith In Nichiren's Buddhism!

[Chas.]

To make it perfectly clear once more, Ricky, your treason towards Nichiren Daishonin, by promoting the download of internet pirated Gohonzon printouts, using images of Gohonzon stolen by the traitorous priests who betrayed the Daishonin after his death by turning his Buddhism into a statue worshiping cult forcing Shakyamuni into the role of god almighty ... that treason of yours is not cloaked in the slightest by wrapping yourself in Gosho quotes taken from the website of the SGI you hate.

-Chas.

[kelpzoidzl]

Reciting the Daimoku is primary.

Chanting the hoben and juryo chapters is secondary and preparatory.

If one was only able to recite the Daimoku that is okay. It is the One Great Secret Law and the seed of Enlightenment.

Reciting the Sutra in the Daishonin's Buddhism differs from the Sutra recited in extinct Buddhism of Shakyamuni. The Sutra is "read" differently in Nichiren's Buddhism.

Many times the Daishonin wrote that reciting the Daimoku was the ultimate teaching leading to Buddhism. Intellectual understanding is not necessary, the goal of attaining Buddhahood is possible.

Buddhas are equal. The true Buddha exists in all beings. All Buddhas attain Buddhahood from the single Law.

In the sutra, Taho Buddha supporting the teachings of Shakyamuni moves over on the Buddha seat within the Precious Stupa, to allow Shakyamuni to be seated. This principle has a deep meaning and has a history related to it. It is like a changing of the guard. The principle refers to an eternal principle for the future as well. It is also related to the human body and Stupa architecture and symbols also represents the Human Body in Buddha form.

The principle is also like how ancient astronomers learned of precession of the equinoxes, when they realized that over thousands of years the polestar in the north pole of the celestial sphere, "moves over" for another star to become the polestar. For instance, during Ancient vedic times ir at the time of tge writing of the Lotus Sutra, polaris was not yet the polestar, it was the Star known by Arabic astronomers as Thuban.

The Big Dipper appears to rotate around the polestar. The stars of the big dipper were called the seven sages of ancient india. The chief among them was Visistacarita, known in the Lotus Sutra by the same name and later in Japan as Jogyo Bosatsu, the leader of the Bodhisattvas of the Earth.

Ancient Vedic characters appear in the Lotus Sutra as written by the authors and on the Gohonzon, inscribed by Nichiren. These mythical characters on the Gohonzon and appearing in the Sutra are also directly related to other astronomical objects seen in our celestial sphere and beyond. They are also symbolic of Ichinen Sanzen.

Shakyamuni, when his Buddhism became extinct also moves over on the Buddha seat to allow a new Buddha. Nichiren realized that all Buddhas have the eternal Buddha within.

Buddhism is experiential. Practice can defeat all obstacles.

Reciting the Daimoku is the supreme form of meditation--called Chih-Kuan in Chinese or Shikan in Japan as in Tientai of China's teachings- literally stopping the mind to observe it and is also Vipasanna-Samatha in old Buddhist Yoga of Shakyamuni. Nichiren's One Great Secret Law can be practised by most anyone without understanding anything else.

People can also recite the Daimoku "in the heart" without even knowing of Buddhism or Nichiren consciously.

A group of people, even a non-Buddhist country, can spontaneously begin to recite the "Daimoku in their hearts." This is because all people have this within. A country with that spirit can create a golden age and not even know of Buddhism consciously. This is because it has been heard in former times and Bodhisattvas make a promise in their hearts.

Daimoku transcends a language. It can be recited in any language when the time is ripe.

Shakubuku or transmitting the mystic law is a natural result of indivuduals or groups of people awakening. At the same time, the obstacles created by people controlled by demonic lifestates slander this effort.

[kelpzoidzl]

In terms of the practice of Gongyo, Nichiren prescribed reciting half the hoben chapter and the complete Juryo chapter and at times the first half of the 17th Chapter. At times he recited only the Jigage section of the Juryo Chapter. It is recorded that on his death bed he recited the Jigage section along with Daimoku.

In later times hobenpon and juryo were recited 5 prayers. Later again it was standardized as the 5 and 3 prayers found in Nichiren Shoshu and the gakkai.

However gongyo is performed, the Daimoku is primary.

[Chas.]

You just make up your own Buddhism as you go along, David Cole.

Are you the new Nichiren Daishonin for our time?

If you desire to take his place, you must follow his example and give documentary evidence from someone for all the distortions you have just uttered.

He was a scholar and you are simply a liar and distorter of Buddhism.

At Katie Higgins makes an [inadequate] effort at scholarship, you and Ricky just vomit up new distortions of Buddhism with no foundation.

In the Lotus Sutra, Many Treasures does make room for Shakyamuni to sit. That does not imply in any way that the sliding-over-making-room operation means that there is room on the bench for David Cole, the Yamazaki wannabe, to create his own Buddhism and a new Lotus Sutra.

I think you need some foundation to make a case that the sliding-over-making-room operation supports transitive closure. There is no evidence for that whatsoever.

-Chas.

[kelpzoidzl]

Your hate of all practitioners of Buddhism is evil. You do not represent Nichiren OR the SGI. Your behavior is out of touch with reality and has been since you first appeared on arbn, way back when, saying the Crane symbol represents an "anus."

You must practice to defeat your delusions and hate.

SPAMMERS, especially CB and you drove everyone from this group, whether N Shoshu, N Shu or the Gakkai. You are pitied and even my patience with you is over.

[JazzIs TvRicky]

It is clear that Nichiren Teaches those in the Beginning Stagesbof Practice such as Myoho Soku should exclusively develop a Practice of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo only.

Nichiren Teaches🎓📚

"Nevertheless, I will comply with your wishes and cite some passages. In volume nine of The Words and Phrases of the Lotus Sutra it is stated: “There is a danger that a beginner will be led astray by subordinate concerns, and that this will interfere with the primary practice. The beginner should directly give all his attention to embracing this sutra; that is the highest type of offering. If one sets aside formal practices but maintains the principle, then the benefits will be many and far-reaching.”
In this passage of commentary, “subordinate concerns” refers to the five pāramitās. If the beginner tries to practice the five pāramitās at the same time that he embraces the Lotus Sutra, that may work to obstruct his primary practice, which is faith. Such a person will be like a small ship that is loaded with wealth and treasure and sets out to cross the sea. Both the ship and the treasure will sink. And the words “should directly give all his attention to embracing this sutra” do not refer to the sutra as a whole. They mean that one should embrace the daimoku, or title, of the sutra exclusively and not mix it with other passages. Even recitation of the entire sutra is not permitted. How much less are the five pāramitās!"

He also Teaches

"Those who are knowledgeable may practice both sutra recitation and meditation. Those uninformed may simply chant the daimoku, for in doing so they will be abiding by the principle of the sutra."

And Toda teaches us how to view and practice Recitation of The Sutra from the Buddhism of Nichiren Daishonin!

[kelpzoidzl]

Over and over, the Daishonin said that the Daimoku itself is far greater then the Sutra itself and says it is hidden in the depths of the Juryo Chapter. This in itself means reading between the lines as in Kanjin, and reading the sutra with ones own body.

There is a middle way view about practice. Reciting the Sutra can clear out the mind to help with stronger Daimoku if a person is overcoming laziness or a slack attitude. In another case a person may look to do as little practice as possible. Even though even one Daimoku is great, it should be coming from strong faith with determination. Learning gongyo or study, in a new practioner, can help develop determination. Having a tendancy to do as little as possible should be overcome.

Ultimately it is the strong Ichinen that develops a strong practice that will not backslide.

[Chas.]

I don't hate anyone. I reserve my hatred for slander of the Law. This simply echoes Nichiren Daishonin:

From "On Establishing the Correct Teaching for the Peace of the Land", WND I, p. 23:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/2#para-102

... I certainly have no intention of censuring the sons of the
... Buddha. MY ONLY HATRED IS FOR THE ACT OF SLANDERING THE
... LAW. According to the Buddhist teachings, prior to
... Shakyamuni slanderous monks would have incurred the death
... penalty. But since the time of Shakyamuni, the One Who Can
... Endure, the giving of alms to slanderous monks is forbidden
... in the sutra teachings. Now if all the four kinds of
... Buddhists within the four seas and the ten thousand lands
... would only cease giving alms to wicked priests and instead
... all come over to the side of the good, then how could any
... more troubles rise to plague us, or disasters come to
... confront us?

That natural-artistic appearance of the crane that I identified, which matched other natural-artistic kamon of the Zen daimyo lords, was before I knew that the Zen/Shinto crane Shinmon was something infinitely worse than that. Y'all can read my writings on that here:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/tjp6g2duOq8/aC2VtddIAgAJ

Meanwhile David Cole/the new Nichiren and his disciple/comic relief sidekick Ricky are creating new Buddhism, ssshhh!!

-Chas.

[JazzIs TvRicky]

In my Practice of faith which included raising many Districts while Practicing in NSA Los Angeles I found the wonderful abilities of the members to vary from those who were Chanters thise who were Soka Group and Byakuren those who were Shakabuku Oriented Thise who were Study Oriented etc.

What we concentrated on was Faith and not Judging each other.
We had Much success in accomplishing Human Revolution and retention in the Practice of Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism.

This fallacy of having to Chant Hours and Hours of Daimoku and Gongyo is not necessarily a determination of who is lazy or has weak faith! Nichiren never told others how much Daimoku to Chant but rather emphasized Faith and Practice through Study!

For me it is always a Practice of Strengthening My Faith and discovering ways to assist in developing others Faith!

Study was so very important in doing so!

I found The Emphasis of Gongyo a danger to the essential Practice of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo. Too often I have heard from members who have chanted Daimoku make the statement:

"I'm outta rhythm because I missed Gongyo!

This I will not teach and have not since the latter 1980's.

There is no Gongyo as Practiced by Nichiren Buddhism Sects taught by Nichiren!

The Teaching of Nichiren's is Faith. My emphasis has always been on the efficacy of The Gohonzon of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo and it's tremendous actual Proof in our Daily Lives!

Because I devoted my Practice to the pursuit of Faith I have no fear of how others foolishly cling to the necessity of adding the Recitation of the Sutra as a Practice of Strengthening the power of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo!

No where dose Nichiren Teach this!

Sincerely Richard H Brown A Votary of The Gohonzon of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo

We were very successful in doing so!

[kelpzoidzl]

Bureaucracy, habituation, schism, political correctness and the destruction of momentum after GMW was forced out by demons, left the gakkai in shambles. People sitting around patting themselves on the back and demanding gokuyo to pay their own salaries while inventing the eternal master Ikeda-or-else doctrine, was a far greater concern then whether gongyo was too long or not.

Middle way always holds true in terms of activities and balance.

Today there are numerous people in the Gakkai, around the edges, feeling coerced to sit and listen to constant Eternal-Master-Ikeda-give us- money meeting content. These people do better in their practice in group shakubuku activities but can't find that happening. They are starving.

[Chas.]

To make it perfectly clear once more, Ricky, your treason towards Nichiren Daishonin, by promoting the download of internet pirated Gohonzon printouts, using images of Gohonzon stolen by the traitorous priests who betrayed the Daishonin after his death by turning his Buddhism into a statue worshiping cult forcing Shakyamuni into the role of god almighty ... that treason of yours is not cloaked in the slightest by wrapping yourself in Gosho quotes taken from the website of the SGI you hate. Making up new Buddhism is pretending that you are Nichiren Daishonin without the scholarship he practiced from his early youth... that cannot be repeated, because a lot of what he read in those temple libraries is gone, burned during the Islamic conquest of India, Mao's destruction of the temples in China and Nobunaga and Hideyoshi's destruction of the temples, like Enryakuji, in Japan. You are not Nichiren Daishonin and no one can ever be like him again.

-Chas.

[kelpzoidzl]

Over emphasizing the secondariness of Gongyo, or someone saying they "missed gongyo," might overlook the person's actual experience and projecting that it is only guilt of "missing gongyo," instead of the person's real experience with how they felt missing gongyo while struggling to order their life at their own stage of practice.

I remember twice in my early years of Gakkai activities, I "missed Gongyo," due to oversleeping and needing to attend an activity. The first time was a late morning brass band practice where everyone was already supposed to have done Gongyo. I arrived as the Drum section was sitting down to eat lunch at an outside table of a fast food, before band practice. No sooner did I sit down that I spilled my extra large drink all over the table and myself. As everyone jumped away so nit get wet, the drum section leader laughed and said, "we know who didn't do Gongyo this morning!" So here it is at least 48 years later and I remember that as if it was yesterday. Truth is, I was totally "out of rhythm," that day and I felt like it physically and mentally. The other occasion, was a few years later, when attending a study dept. graduate oral exam in front of GMW. I woke late, got in the car and rushed to Santa Monica. I would have to be at work immediately after the exam. I didn't feel "totally out of rhythm" just rushed, but chanted Daimoku in the car. I think had I woken earlier, done a excellent Gongyo I would have felt better.

I did fine in the Exam. GMW smiled warmly when I perfectly recited the passages from the Kaimoku Sho he had asked us to memorize and answered his test questions, passing fine.

Afterwards, I ran to the car in the hdqrs parking lot, I proceeded to run over the one-way spikes by trying to leave the parking lot by the wrong driveway, all four tires were flat. Had to call work and tell them i'd be late.

Young people in early stages of practice this life, are not necessarily at any stage of non-retrogression in terms of ordering their real world life after adding the daily practice of Gongyo and Daimoku.

The Sutra does mention how the Buddha, tries to help resolve various points disciples might get hung up on. Getting "hung up on a point of faith," can blind a person from seeing the full picture.

The idea that Nichiren didn't advocate his followers recite portions of the sutra, became a topic in the later Gakkai and a general lessening of the importance of full gongyo, despite numerous discussions in his letters, about reciting the sutra. It can be questioned if this has really improved the Gakkai to shorten Gongyo for all.

Of course both sides of the argument has it's points, but it is subjective and not cut and dried.


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Here are a few writings on the topic that come to mind:

The Recitation of the “Expedient Means” and “Life Span” Chapters

IN the letter you sent by messenger, you say that you used to recite one chapter of the Lotus Sutra every day, completing the entire sutra in the space of twenty-eight days, but that now you read the “Medicine King” chapter once a day. You ask if you should simply read each chapter in turn, as you were originally doing.

As for the Lotus Sutra, one may recite the entire sutra of twenty-eight chapters in eight volumes every day; or one may recite only one volume, or one chapter, or one verse, or one phrase, or one word; or one may simply chant the daimoku, Nam-myoho-renge-kyo, only once a day, or chant it only once in the course of a lifetime; or hear someone else chant it only once in a lifetime and rejoice in the hearing, or rejoice in hearing the voice of someone else rejoice in the hearing, and so on in this manner to the fiftieth hearer. And if one were to be at the end, even if one’s faith were weak and one’s sense of rejoicing diluted like the frailty of a child of two or three, or the inability of a cow or horse to distinguish before from after, the blessings one would gain would be a hundred, thousand, ten thousand, million times greater than those gained by persons of keen faculties and superior wisdom who study other sutras, persons such as Shāriputra, Maudgalyāyana, Manjushrī, and Maitreya, who had committed to memory the entire texts of the various sutras.

We find this mentioned in both the Lotus Sutra and the sixty volumes of commentary by T’ien-t’ai and Miao-lo. Thus the sutra states [concerning these blessings], “Even the Buddha wisdom could never finish calculating their extent.” Not even the wisdom of the Buddha can fathom the blessings such a person will obtain. The Buddha wisdom is so marvelous that it knows even the number of raindrops that fall in this major world system during a period, for instance, of seven days or twice seven days. And yet we read that the blessings acquired by one who recites no more than a single word of the Lotus Sutra are the one thing it cannot fathom. How, then, could ordinary people like ourselves, who have committed grave offenses, possibly understand these blessings?

However, it is now some twenty-two hundred years since the Thus Come One’s passing. For many years, the five impurities have flourished, and good deeds in any connection are rare. Though a person may do good, in the course of doing a single good deed he accumulates ten evil ones, so that in the end, for the sake of a small good, he commits great evil. And yet, in his heart, he prides himself on having p.69practiced great good—such are the times we live in.

Moreover, you were born in the remote land of Japan, a tiny island country in the east separated by two hundred thousand ri of mountains and seas from the country of the Thus Come One’s birth. And you are a woman, burdened by the five obstacles and bound by the three obediences. How indescribably wonderful, therefore, that in spite of these hindrances you have been able to take faith in the Lotus Sutra!

Even the wise or the learned, such as those who have pored over all the sacred teachings propounded by the Buddha in the course of his lifetime, and who have mastered both the exoteric and esoteric doctrines, are these days abandoning the Lotus Sutra and instead reciting the Nembutsu. What good karma you must have formed in the past, then, to have been born a person able to recite even so much as a verse or a phrase of the Lotus Sutra!

When I read over your letter, I felt as though my eyes were beholding something rarer than the udumbara flower, something even scarcer than the one-eyed turtle encountering a floating log with a hollow in it that fits him exactly. Moved to heartfelt admiration, I thought that I would like to add just one word or one expression of my own rejoicing, endeavoring in this way to enhance your merit. I fear, however, that, as clouds darken the moon or as dust defiles a mirror, my brief and clumsy attempts at description will only serve to cloak and obscure the incomparably wonderful blessings you will receive, and the thought pains me. Yet, in response to your question, I could scarcely remain silent. Please understand that I am merely joining my one drop to the rivers and the oceans, or adding my torch to the sun and the moon, hoping in this way to increase even slightly the volume of the water or the brilliance of the light.

First of all, when it comes to the Lotus Sutra, you should understand that, whether one recites all eight volumes, or only one volume, one chapter, one verse, one phrase, or simply the daimoku, or title, the blessings are the same. It is like the water of the great ocean, a single drop of which contains water from all the countless streams and rivers, or like the wish-granting jewel, which, though only a single jewel, can shower all kinds of treasures upon the wisher. And the same is true of a hundred, a thousand, ten thousand, or a million such drops of water or such jewels. A single character of the Lotus Sutra is like such a drop of water or such a jewel, and the hundred million characters are like a hundred million such drops or jewels.

On the other hand, a single character of the other sutras, or the name of any of the various Buddhas, is like one drop of the water of a particular stream or river, or like only one stone from a particular mountain or a particular sea. One such drop does not contain the water of countless other streams and rivers, and one such stone does not possess the virtues that inhere in innumerable other kinds of stones.

Therefore, when it comes to the Lotus Sutra, it is praiseworthy to recite any chapter you have placed your trust in, whichever chapter that may be.

Generally speaking, among all the sacred teachings of the Thus Come One, none has ever been known to contain falsehoods. Yet when we consider the Buddhist teachings more deeply, we find that even among the Thus Come One’s golden words there exist various categories such as Mahayana and Hinayana, provisional and true teachings, and exoteric and esoteric doctrines. These distinctions arise from the sutras themselves, and accordingly, we find that they are roughly p.70outlined in the commentaries of the various scholars and teachers.

To state the essence of the matter, among the doctrines propounded by Shakyamuni Buddha in the fifty or more years of his teaching life, those put forward in the first forty or more years are of a questionable nature. We can say so because the Buddha himself clearly stated in the Immeasurable Meanings Sutra, “In these more than forty years, I have not yet revealed the truth.” And in the Lotus Sutra, the Buddha himself proclaims concerning its every word and phrase, “Honestly discarding expedient means, I will preach only the unsurpassed way.”

Moreover, Many Treasures Buddha sprang up from the earth to add his testimony, declaring, “The Lotus Sutra of the Wonderful Law . . . all that you [Shakyamuni Buddha] have expounded is the truth!” And the Buddhas of the ten directions all gathered at the assembly where the Lotus Sutra was being preached and extended their tongues to give further support to the assertion that not a single word of the Lotus Sutra is false. It was as though a great king, his consort, and his most venerable subjects had all with one accord given their word.

Suppose that a man or a woman who has recited even a single word of the Lotus Sutra were to be dragged down by the unfathomably heavy karma of the ten evil acts, the five cardinal sins, or the four major offenses, and fall into the evil paths. Even if the sun and moon should never again emerge from the east, even if the great earth itself should turn over, even if the tides of the great ocean should cease to ebb and flow, even if broken stones are made whole, and even if the waters of the streams and rivers cease to flow into the ocean, no woman who believes in the Lotus Sutra could ever be dragged down by worldly faults and fall into the evil paths.

If a woman who believes in the Lotus Sutra should ever fall into the evil paths as a result of jealousy or ill temper or because of excessive greed, then the Thus Come One Shakyamuni, the Buddha Many Treasures, and the Buddhas of the ten directions would immediately be guilty of breaking the vow they have upheld over the span of countless kalpas never to tell a lie. Their offense would be even greater than the wild falsehoods and deceptions of Devadatta or the outrageous lies told by Kokālika. But how could such a thing ever happen? Thus a person who embraces the Lotus Sutra is absolutely assured of its blessings.

On the other hand, even if one does not commit a single evil deed throughout one’s entire lifetime, and observes the five precepts, the eight precepts, the ten precepts, the ten good precepts, the two hundred and fifty precepts, the five hundred precepts, or countless numbers of precepts; even if one learns all the other sutras by heart, makes offerings to all the other Buddhas and bodhisattvas, and accumulates immeasurable merit, if one but fails to put one’s faith in the Lotus Sutra; or if one has faith in it, but considers that it ranks on the same level as the other sutras and the teachings of the other Buddhas; or if one recognizes its superiority, but constantly engages in other religious disciplines, practicing the Lotus Sutra only from time to time; or if one associates on friendly terms with priests of the Nembutsu, who do not believe in the Lotus Sutra but slander it; or if one thinks that those who insist the Lotus Sutra does not suit the people’s capacity in the latter age are guilty of no fault, then all the merit of the countless good acts one has performed throughout one’s life will suddenly vanish. Moreover, the blessings resulting from one’s practice of the Lotus Sutra will for some time be obscured, and one will fall into the great citadel of the Avīchi hell as p.71surely as rain falls from the sky or rocks tumble down from the peaks into the valleys.

Even if one has committed the ten evil acts or the five cardinal sins, so long as one does not turn one’s back on the Lotus Sutra, one will without doubt be reborn in the pure land and attain Buddhahood. On the other hand, we read in the sutra that, even if one observes the precepts, embraces all the other sutras, and believes in the various Buddhas and bodhisattvas, if one fails to take faith in the Lotus Sutra, one is certain to fall into the evil paths.

Limited though my ability may be, when I observe the situation in the world these days, it seems to me that the great majority of both lay believers and members of the clergy are guilty of slandering the correct teaching.

But to return to your question. As I said before, though no chapter of the Lotus Sutra is negligible, among the entire twenty-eight chapters, the “Expedient Means” chapter and the “Life Span” chapter are particularly outstanding. The remaining chapters are all in a sense the branches and leaves of these two chapters. Therefore, for your regular recitation, I recommend that you practice reading the prose sections of the “Expedient Means” and “Life Span” chapters. In addition, it might be well if you wrote out separate copies of these sections. The remaining twenty-six chapters are like the shadow that follows one’s body or the value inherent in a jewel. If you recite the “Life Span” and “Expedient Means” chapters, then the remaining chapters will naturally be included even though you do not recite them. It is true that the “Medicine King” and “Devadatta” chapters deal specifically with women’s attainment of Buddhahood or rebirth in the pure land. But the “Devadatta” chapter is a branch and leaf of the “Expedient Means” chapter, and the “Medicine King” chapter is a branch and leaf of the “Expedient Means” and the “Life Span” chapters. Therefore, you should regularly recite these two chapters, the “Expedient Means” and “Life Span” chapters. As for the remaining chapters, you may turn to them from time to time when you have a moment of leisure.

Also in your letter, you say that three times each day you bow in reverence to the seven characters of the title, and that each day you repeat the words Namu-ichijō-myōten ten thousand times. At times of menstruation, however, you refrain from reading the sutra. You ask if it is unseemly to bow in reverence to the seven characters or to recite Namu-ichijō-myōten without facing [the Lotus Sutra], or if you should refrain from doing even that during your menstrual period. You also ask how many days following the end of your period you should wait before resuming recitation of the sutra.

This is a matter that concerns all women and about which they always inquire. In past times, too, we find many persons addressing themselves to this question concerning women. But because the sacred teachings put forward by the Buddha in the course of his lifetime do not touch upon this point, no one has been able to offer any clear scriptural proof upon which to base an answer. In my own study of the sacred teachings, though I find clear prohibitions on certain days of the month against the impurity of things like meat or wine, the five spicy foods, or sexual acts, for instance, I have never come across any passage in the sutras or treatises that speaks of avoidances connected with menstruation.

While the Buddha was in the world, many women in their prime became nuns and devoted themselves to the Buddha’s teachings, but they were never shunned on account of their menstrual period. Judging from this, I would say that menstruation does not represent p.72any kind of impurity coming from an external source. It is simply a characteristic of the female sex, a phenomenon related to the perpetuation of the seed of birth and death. Or in another sense, it might be regarded as a kind of chronically recurring illness. In the case of feces and urine, though these are substances produced by the body, so long as one observes cleanly habits, there are no special prohibitions to be observed concerning them. Surely the same must be true of menstruation. That is why, I think, we hear of no particular rules for avoidance pertaining to the subject in India or China.

Japan, however, is a land of the gods. And it is the way of this country that, although the Buddhas and bodhisattvas have manifested themselves here in the form of gods, strangely enough, in many cases they do not conform to the sutras and treatises. Nevertheless, if one goes against them, one will incur actual punishment.

When we scrutinize the sutras and treatises with care, we find that there is a teaching about a precept known as following the customs of the region that corresponds to this. The meaning of this precept is that, so long as no seriously offensive act is involved, then even if one were to depart to some slight degree from the teachings of Buddhism, it would be better to avoid going against the manners and customs of the country. This is a precept expounded by the Buddha. It appears that some wise men who are unaware of this point, express extreme views, saying such things as, because the gods are demon-like beings they are unworthy of reverence, and that this has offended many lay supporters.

If so, since the gods of Japan have in most cases desired that prohibitions be observed during the period of menstruation, perhaps people born in this country should seriously observe such prohibitions.

However, I do not think that such prohibitions should interfere with a woman’s daily religious devotions. I would guess that it is persons who never had any faith in the Lotus Sutra to begin with who tell you otherwise. They are trying to think of some way to make you stop reciting the sutra, but they do not feel that they can come right out and advise you to cast the sutra aside. So they use the pretext of bodily impurity to try to distance you from it. They intimidate you by telling you that, if you continue your regular devotions during a period of impurity, you will be treating the sutra with disrespect. In this way they mean to trick you into incurring an offense.

I hope you will keep in mind all that I have said regarding this matter. On this basis, even if your menstrual period should last as long as seven days, if you feel so inclined, dispense with the reading of the sutra and simply recite Nam-myoho-renge-kyo. Also, when making your devotions, you need not bow facing the sutra.

On the other hand, if suddenly you should feel, for example, the approach of death, then even if you are eating fish or fowl, if you are able to read the sutra, you should do so, and likewise chant Nam-myoho-renge-kyo. Needless to say, the same principle applies during your period of menstruation.

Though reciting the words Namu-ichijō-myōten amounts to the same thing, it would be better if you just chanted Nam-myoho-renge-kyo, as Bodhisattva Vasubandhu and the Great Teacher T’ien-t’ai did. There are specific reasons why I say this.

Respectfully,

Nichiren

The seventeenth day of the fourth month in the first year of Bun’ei (1264), cyclical sign kinoe-ne

To the wife of Daigaku Saburō

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An excerpt Letter to The Mother of Lord Ueno

The swan and horses parable.

To be guarded by the four heavenly kings and their retainers is a great honor. But with the protection of all the four heavenly kings, all the stars and constellations, all the deities of the sun and moon, all the Shakras and Brahmās, one can be completely confident. Moreover, all the persons of the two vehicles, all the bodhisattvas, Bodhisattva Maitreya in the inner court of the Tushita heaven, Bodhisattva Earth Repository on Mount Kharadīya, Bodhisattva Perceiver of the World’s Sounds p.1075on Mount Potalaka, and Bodhisattva Manjushrī on Mount Clear and Cool, each together with all their followers, will guard and protect the votaries of the Lotus Sutra, so one may indeed rest assured. And furthermore, Shakyamuni, Many Treasures, and the Buddhas of the ten directions will come of their own accord and watch over one through all the hours of the day and night, which is an honor beyond the power of words to express.

It was this splendid sutra that the late Shichirō Gorō put his faith in and through which he attained Buddhahood. And today, on the forty-ninth day following his passing, all the Buddhas have surely gathered about him in the pure land of Eagle Peak, seating him on their palms, patting his head, embracing him, and rejoicing, welcoming him with affection as one would welcome a moon that has just risen, or blossoms that have just burst into bloom.

When we consider why the Buddhas of the ten directions throughout the three existences should so firmly protect the Lotus Sutra, we come to understand that it is only natural. For the Lotus Sutra is the father and mother of the Buddhas of the three existences and the ten directions; it is their wet nurse and their lord.

Frogs feed on the sound of their mother’s voice, and if they cannot hear their mother’s voice, they will not grow. The insect called kālakula feeds on wind, and if the wind does not blow, it will not grow. Fish must have water, and birds depend upon trees to build their nests in. In the same way, for the Buddhas, the Lotus Sutra is their source of life, their sustenance, and their dwelling. As fish live in water, so the Buddhas live in this sutra. As birds dwell in trees, so the Buddhas dwell in this sutra. As the moon’s reflection lodges in the water, so the Buddhas lodge in this sutra. You should understand that, in a land where this sutra does not exist, there can be no Buddhas.

In ancient times there lived a sovereign named King Rinda who ruled over the southern continent of Jambudvīpa. What was it that this king required for sustenance? He listened to the neighing of white horses, and this became his food. As long as the white horses neighed, he grew more youthful, his complexion glowed, his spirit was vigorous, his physical strength remained undiminished, and he was able to conduct the affairs of state justly. Therefore, a great many white horses were gathered and cared for in his country. In this respect, he was like the ruler of Wei, who gathered a great many cranes, or Emperor Te-tsung, who loved fireflies. The white horses would neigh only if there were white swans who were singing, and accordingly, a number of white swans had also been gathered.

One time for some reason all the white swans disappeared, and as a result, the white horses no longer neighed. So the king’s sustenance came to an end, and he was like full-blown blossoms that wilt under the dew, or a round moon that becomes shrouded in clouds. When it became apparent that the king was about to expire, his consort, his heir, the high ministers, and all the people throughout the kingdom turned pale, like a child who has just been separated from its mother, and wet their sleeves with tears, crying, “What shall we do? What shall we do?”

In that country there were many followers of non-Buddhist teachings, persons like the Zen and Nembutsu believers, the True Word teachers, and the Precepts priests of our own time. In addition, there were disciples of the Buddha, persons like the members of the Lotus school today. These two groups were on very bad terms, as incompatible as fire and water, or as p.1076hostile toward each other as the peoples called Hu and Yüeh.

The ruler issued a proclamation saying: “If these non-Buddhists cause the horses to neigh, then I will abolish the Buddhist teachings and put my faith entirely in the non-Buddhist doctrines, honoring them as the heavenly deities do Shakra. But if the disciples of the Buddha cause the horses to neigh, then I will cut off the heads of all the non-Buddhists, seize their dwellings, and hand them over to the disciples of the Buddha.”

At this the non-Buddhists turned pale with fear, and the disciples of the Buddha fell to lamenting. But since that alone would not resolve matters, the non-Buddhists took their turn first. For seven days they carried out their practices, but no white swans gathered round, and the white horses failed to neigh.

Then it was the turn of the Buddha’s disciples, and they were assigned the next seven days for the performance of their prayers. At that time there was a young monk named Ashvaghosha, or Horse Neigh, who, relying upon the Lotus Sutra, the object of devotion for all the Buddhas, for seven days offered his prayers, whereupon white swans came flying to the platform where he was praying. As soon as one of these birds would utter a cry, one of the white horses would neigh. The king, hearing the sound of the neighing, rose up from his sickbed, and all the persons who had gathered there, beginning with the ruler’s consort, turned toward Ashvaghosha and bowed to him in reverence.

So the white swans came, one, two, three, then ten, a hundred, and a thousand, filling the kingdom. And the white horses neighed, one horse, two horses, then a hundred, a thousand white horses, all constantly neighing. When the king heard this sound, his face became that of a thirty-year-old man. His mind was as clear and bright as the sun, and his administration was upright and fair, so that the rain of amrita fell down from the heavens, the common people bowed before his commands as though before a wind, and the kingdom prospered for countless ages.

The Buddhas are similar to this. Many Treasures Buddha, during the time when the Lotus Sutra does not appear, remains extinct; but in an age when this sutra is recited, he makes his appearance in the world. And the same is true of Shakyamuni Buddha and the Buddhas of the ten directions.

Since the Lotus Sutra possesses this wonderful power, how could any person who upholds this sutra be abandoned by the Sun Goddess, by Great Bodhisattva Hachiman, or by Great Bodhisattva Fuji Sengen? This is truly reassuring!

On the other hand, if a country should oppose this sutra, then no matter how sincerely its people may offer up prayers, that country will inevitably experience the seven disasters. You may be certain that it will be overthrown and destroyed by another country, like a ship that encounters a storm in the midst of the ocean, or like grass and trees that are withered by a great drought.

In a similar manner, in Japan today, no matter how prayers are offered up, because the people make light of Nichiren and his followers, the votaries of the Lotus Sutra, none of their various ways of praying are effective, and instead the forces of the great kingdom of the Mongols come to attack. Already the country is on the verge of destruction. Watch carefully from now on. Matters cannot continue as they are at present. You should understand once and for all that this is entirely due to the fact that the people all harbor enmity toward the Lotus Sutra.

It has now been forty-nine days p.1077since your son, the late Shichirō Gorō, passed away. Though impermanence is the way of all things, even one who merely hears the news of a person’s having passed away finds it hard to bear. How much more deeply, then, must his mother or his wife grieve! I believe I can understand something of your feelings.

Though children may be young in years or more mature, though they may be ugly or even physically handicapped, their parents love them nonetheless. In your case, your child was a son, and in addition, he was blessed in every way, and he had a warm heart. When your husband, the late Ueno, preceded you in death, he was still in the prime of life, and your grief on that occasion was no shallow matter. Had you not been pregnant with his child, I know you would have followed him through fire and water. Yet when this son was safely born, you felt that it would be unthinkable to entrust his upbringing to another so that you could put an end to your life. Thus you encouraged yourself and spent the following fourteen or fifteen years raising your children.

How, then, are you to endure what has happened? You must have thought that in the future you would have two sons to rely upon. And yet on the fifth day of the ninth month of this year, this younger son, like the moon hidden in the clouds, like blossoms scattered by the wind, passed from sight. As you wondered whether or not you were dreaming, lamenting at how long the dream goes on, you felt that this dream is indeed like reality, and forty-nine days had already passed. And if it is indeed real, how will you bear it? The full-blown flower remains on the tree, while the bud just about to open has withered away. The aged mother remains behind, while the young son has departed. How heartless is the transience of the world!

Now you must shun and abandon this heartless world, entrusting yourself to the Lotus Sutra, in which the late Shichirō Gorō placed his faith, and quickly reach the eternally abiding and indestructible pure land of Eagle Peak. Your son’s father is on Eagle Peak; his mother remains in the sahā world. I sympathize with the feelings of the late Shichirō Gorō, who is in the interval between the two of you.

There is much more that I would like to say, but I shall end here.

With my deep respect,

Nichiren

The twenty-fourth day of the tenth month

Reply to the mother of Ueno 1280
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Excerpt from Letter to Horen (1275)

What I have said here pertains to the blessings that derive from transcribing the sutra. For those who carry out one or another of the five practices, the act of transcribing the sutra produces the lowest grade of blessings. How much more immeasurable, then, are the blessings to be won by reading or reciting the sutra.

As to the blessings derived by you, who as chief mourner have recited the verse section of the “Life Span” chapter every morning for a period of thirteen years, they “can only be understood and shared between Buddhas.”

The Lotus Sutra represents the bone and marrow of all the sacred teachings of the Buddha’s lifetime, and the verse section of the “Life Span” chapter represents the soul of the twenty-eight chapters of the sutra. The various Buddhas of the three existences look upon the “Life Span” chapter as their very life, and the bodhisattvas of the ten directions likewise regard the chapter’s verse section as their eye.

But it is not for me to describe the blessings deriving from the verse section of the “Life Span” chapter. Rather I refer to the subsequent “Distinctions in Benefits” chapter, which elaborates on them. It says that those people who became Buddhas after hearing the above verse section are equal in number to the particles of dust in a minor world system or major world system. Moreover, those who attained enlightenment by listening to the six chapters from the “Medicine King” chapter on are merely those who had remained unenlightened after gaining blessings from the verse section of the “Life Span” chapter. And in the forty volumes of the Nirvana Sutra the Buddha once more explained the blessings to be derived from the verse section to the fifty-two types of beings who were gathered there.

So it becomes clear that the great p.517bodhisattvas, heavenly beings, and others, numerous as the dust particles of the lands of the ten directions, who gathered together like clouds on the occasion of the Buddha’s preaching [of the Flower Garland Sutra] at the place of enlightenment; the various sages who attended on the occasion of his preaching of the Great Collection and Larger Wisdom sutras; and the twelve hundred and more honored ones who listened to the Mahāvairochana Sutra and the Diamond Crown Sutra—it becomes clear that at some time in the past these people listened to the verse section of the “Life Span” chapter of the Lotus Sutra. But because their faith was weak, they failed to attain enlightenment, even though incalculably long periods—major world system dust particle kalpas and numberless major world system dust particle kalpas—passed by. However, when they encountered Shakyamuni Buddha, the blessings of the Lotus Sutra began to work for them, so that they were able to gain enlightenment through the sutras preached prior to the Lotus Sutra, and did not have to wait until the assembly at Eagle Peak to do so.

Consequently, the Buddhas throughout the ten directions looked up to the verse section of the “Life Span” chapter as their teacher and attained Buddhahood. This verse section is like a father and a mother to the people of the world.

A person who embraces the “Life Span” chapter of the Lotus Sutra is sustaining the life of the Buddhas. Would any Buddha, then, abandon a person who embraces the very sutra through which that Buddha attained enlightenment? If any Buddha should abandon such a person, it would be as though he were abandoning himself.

Suppose there was a woman who had given birth to three thousand outstanding warriors of the caliber of Tamura or Toshihito. Would one choose to make an enemy of such a woman? To do so would be like handing three thousand generals over to the side of one’s opponent, would it not? In the same way, anyone who would treat a person who embraces the verse section of the “Life Span” chapter as an enemy would be making an enemy of all the Buddhas of the three existences.

All the characters in which the Lotus Sutra is written represent living Buddhas. But because we have the eyes of common mortals, we see them as characters. It is like the example of the Ganges River. Hungry spirits see the waters of the river as fire, human beings see them as water, and heavenly beings see them as amrita. The waters are the same in all cases, but each type of being sees them differently, according to the effects of its karma.

As for the characters of the Lotus Sutra, a blind person cannot see them at all. A person with the eyes of a common mortal sees them as black in color. Persons of the two vehicles see them as the void. Bodhisattvas see various different colors in them, while a person whose seeds of Buddhahood have reached full maturity sees them as Buddhas. So the sutra states, “If one can uphold this [sutra], one will be upholding the Buddha’s body.” And T’ien-t’ai said: “The Lotus Sutra of the Wonderful Law, before which I bow my head, in its single case, with its eight scrolls, twenty-eight chapters, and 69,384 characters, is in each and every one of its characters the true Buddha who preaches the Law for the benefit of living beings.”

In light of all this, we can say that each morning [when he recites the verse section of the “Life Span” chapter] the priest Hōren is sending forth golden-hued characters from his mouth. These characters are 510 in number, and each character changes into a sun, and each sun changes into p.518a Thus Come One Shakyamuni. They emit great beams of light that penetrate the earth and shine upon the three evil paths and the great citadel of the hell of incessant suffering. They also shine toward the east, west, north, and south, and upward, ascending to the realm where there is neither thought nor no thought. They visit the realm where your departed father is dwelling, wherever it may be, and there hold discourse with him.

“Who do you think we are?” they say. “We are the characters of the verse section of the ‘Life Span’ chapter of the Lotus Sutra that your son Hōren recites each morning. These characters will be your eyes, your ears, your feet, your hands!” Thus do they earnestly converse with him.

And at that time your departed father will say, “Hōren is not my son. Rather he is a good friend to me.” And he will turn and pay respects in the direction of the sahā world. For what you are doing is an act of true filial devotion.

We speak of upholding the Lotus Sutra. But although there is only one sutra, the manner in which we uphold it may vary from one period to the next. There may be times when a person literally rends his flesh and offers it to his teacher, and in this way attains Buddhahood. Or at other times a person may offer his body as a couch to his teacher, or as so much firewood. At yet other times a person may bear the blows of sticks and staves for the sake of the sutra, or may practice religious austerities or observe various precepts. And there may be times when, even though a person does the things described above, he still does not attain Buddhahood. It depends upon the time and is not something fixed.

Therefore, the Great Teacher T’ien-t’ai declared, “The method chosen should be that which accords with the time.” And the Great Teacher Chang-an said, “You should let your choices be fitting and never adhere solely to one or the other.”



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[JazzIs TvRicky]

Thank you for always coming with Sutra in Hand!
I will take the time necessary to study what you have presented and have addressed this issue elsewhere. However I am impressed by your faith and find it pleasing to communicate with someone who is sincerely sharing Nichiren's Teachings!

TBC

[Chas.]

David Cole, like any of those who are closer to correct, but still egregiously wrong, is the most dangerous person in this forum, compared with the other quite dangerous minions of Katie Higgins promoting distortions of Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism of the Lotus Sutra.

Just being honest about it. His attacks on a dying Mr. Williams trying to force a denunciation of Sensei are evidence of deep corruption and great evil. He is like one of those galactic black holes where the event horizon is so far out from the center that you are trapped before you feel tidal forces to warn you. You are falling into his degenerate orbit now, without knowing it.

I have a friend, who went to see the Dalai Lama and came back singing his praises, saying you could really feel something in the room. I told him what I had heard about this kind of thing. Great distorters of Buddhism who mislead people in the millions into hellishness as he has, have strong "occult powers", but these are never for anything good, only creating disaster in the lives of others. I have found this observation to be spot on. Beware, Ricky, you are on the edge of a bottomless pit.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

None of you address the serious transgression of claiming Nichiren is the " original Buddha"- do any if you know who and when THAT notion became popular ??

There is not a single writing in Nichiren's own hand that asserts he is the BUDDHA for this evil age! But there are about a thousand passages of Nichiren's authentic writings describing in detail that it is Shakyamuni Buddha who is the original , eternal Buddha to whom we owe the GREATEST debt of GRATITUDE !!

Because you never address the obvious , you have no motivation to research your claims to learn their origin!

~Katie

[Chas.]

I have addressed this so many times I can simply laugh at your willful ignorance of it. The "actual name of the entity" from the Entity of the Mystic Law Gosho is "Myoho-Renge" and not Shakyamuni, nor Nichiren Daishonin, nor anyone else.

Damn, you're thick!

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

Wrong Chas . You ignore every passage of Nichiren's writings that clearly identify the Three Jewels and our Imense debt of gratitude owed to Shakyamuni Buddha.

By now a rational person would reconsider adhering to a small fraction of disputed writings and show interest in the greater body of
Nichiren's work --

Wrong headed Chas prefers to drink poison / has an acquired taste for evil doctrines 😬

~ Katie

[Chas.]

You seem to be incapable of following a rational argument to a rational conclusion and analyzing its properties.

That goes for the rest of the flying monkeys that follow your flight, including Rogow, who I have never found to be able to write according to a theme: it is always an ill-sorted hodgepodge of blowhard bits.

And yet it is true that your slanders pale in comparison to those of David Cole, whose only saving grace is his cowardice: it betrays him time and again.

Now, Iain presented a real challenge to me, where is the boy? How fares himself?

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

Actually Chas you have been confronted numerous times for " interpreting" Nichiren's writings - ALL of your SGI main corpus in fact has been proven illegitimate . So your first signal of irrationality is your refusal to accept that disputed documents cannot be used in debating the true teachings -/ and that is in accord with Nichiren's principles --/ one of many you dismiss.

Secondly, due to your consistent dismusssl of the Tendai doctrines that you actually follow , you show irrational , willful ignorance/ Like the SGI , you base your views on oral and secret transmissions and cannot support your views with authentic writings attributed to Nichiren .

Thirdly - and perhaps the most telling display of irrationality is the fact that you cannot reconcile your outrageous revision of the Three Jewels with Nichitens own words - flagrantly dismissing his clear descriptions of Shakyamuni, the Lotus Sutra and himself as Shakyamuni's disciple.

All of your irrational actions culminate in your displays of grandiosity , Lain defeated you I. Debate , as did Mark -/ you ran off to spam and troll other posts which led to the " Chas refutation index"-. Recent history . Just one year ago. Your superior posturing is also a signature trait of the medieval Tendai priests Nichiren refuted as " claiming to have attained what they have not attained " -- What is IT you claim ? That you are even superior to Shakyamuni , that you are s true Buddha- inherently !! That is your most blatant transgression from Nichiren's legacy . Nichiren practiced with humility and reverence for Shakyamuni, his writings are full of his deference for and gratitude for the True Buddha . Your discourse is repugnance for Nichiren's faith and practice and never do you reconcile the drastic change in His teachings which appear after Nichiren's death -- So irrational are your claims that Nichiren held back his true identity or attributed any part of the Lotus Sutra to anyone but the Buddha who preached it !!

Nichiren who stated that he declared things exactly as they are, even at the cost of his own life, did NOT , as you infer, hold back any of the Buddha's teachings or conceal his own identity from his disciples and lay followers .

[Chas.]

Katie Higgins, et al, Are Refuted By The Gohonzon +

Fascinating. You say all these thing without any support other than the suppositions of Jackie Stone and the statue worshipers of Nichiren Shu. The Gosho letters that directly refute you and they are very many, you consider "faked" out of hand.

The Gohonzon itself refutes you. It is documentary proof. Is that "faked," as well?

1. It is obvious that some things on the Gohonzon are more prominent in position and larger than others, is that a mistake or an accident? No, it is not.

2. Taho/Many Treasures Buddhas (who was seated first in the Treasure Tower) and Shakyamuni and the Four Bodhisattvas who accompany them (who are leaders, remember that incredibly stupid argument of yours?), are all at the top row off to the right and left and ARE THE SAME SIZE ON THE SAME PROMINENT ROW.

3. The LARGEST AND MOST PROMINENT NAMES are (1) Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, bearing the "actual name of the entity" (quote from The Entity of the Mystic Law Gosho) and (2) at the bottom Nichiren.

4. Nichiren at the bottom, is the Buddha of the latter day of the Law, and is practicing Buddhism for the Latter Day, by chanting the daimoku and raising the banner of Myoho-Renge, which is the Gohonzon, depicting that moment when the Bodhisattvas of the Earth are making their vow in the mentor and disciple tradition of all Buddhism.

5. Nichiren had the birth-name of Zennichimaru and was later ordained and tonsured as Zeshō-bō. He took the name Nichiren when he took on the joint responsibilities as (1) the leader of the Bodhisattvas of the Earth and (2) the Buddha of the Latter Day of the Law, which is the role of defining the practice of Lotus Sutra Buddhism for the Latter Day. However, he was still the common mortal Zennichimaru, who took care of his parents until their death and grieved for their loss the rest of his life. Nichiren Daishonin is a role, not a person, an analogy is POTUS or King. Sitting in front of our Gohonzon mirror and chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, we are all Nichiren, and we are all, as a result of his leadership, Myoho-Renge. Show some gratitude!

6. The most central and prominent name down the center of the Gohonzon is that of the eternal Buddha, "Myoho-Renge", as identified in The Entity of the Mystic Law Gosho as the "actual name of the entity. There is literally, no other way to view this point!

7. Nichiren also identified himself in the following Gosho quote as Jogyo/Superior Practices, who IS THE LEADER of the Bodhisattvas of the Earth. It was written just five months before his death in 1282.

From "On the Receiving of the Three Great Secret Laws", WND II, p. 987:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-2/Content/353#para-29

... These Three Great Secret Laws were unquestionably received
... by me, Nichiren, some two thousand and more years ago, when
... I was the leader of the Bodhisattvas of the Earth; they
... were passed on to me by oral transmission from the lord of
... teachings, the World-Honored One of Great Enlightenment.
... And these actions that I now take embody what I received in
... transmission on Eagle Peak, without the slightest deviation
... or alteration in form, the three great matters of the Law
... of the “Life Span” chapter.

8. The fact that you are completely blind to what is staring you in the face when you chant (although your statue of Shakyamuni may be blocking your view of it,) is evidence that you are stone-blinded by slander of the Law.

9. You speak in the language of confidence, but entirely without the support of the three proofs, I have the Gohonzon and the documents backing me (documentary proof), and we are much more numerous than you and way, way better organized than Katie Higgins of the East and her flying monkeys (actual proof). Since you cannot muster an organization to support your filth, you spend your time trying to reduce the Kosen Rufu movement to your dishonorable scale and fractiousness. Those efforts will fail utterly.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

YourSGI main corpus and the doctrines spun off of them have been refuted , exposed as forgeries and fakes - heretical slander

Those who are motivated to seek Nichirens true teachings will find it well within their capacity to research the matters pertaining to authenticity of Nichiren's writings --

The sources are many and vary in terms of credentials and exposure to practitioners of Buddhism --

Chas references the same handful of disputed. Writings - the fake Ongi Kuden ( the fake "transfer documents " and the fake 26 admonitions - in other words, Chas has zero evidence that would be accepted in formal debate ---

[Chas.]

Fascinating. You say all these things without any support other than the suppositions of Jackie Stone and the statue worshipers of Nichiren Shu. The Gosho letters that directly refute you and they are very many, you consider "faked" out of hand.

[Chas.]

More attacks as opposed to answering any questions posed to you.

You have been refuted by the Lotus Sutra.

You have been refuted by the Gosho.

You have now been refuted by the Gohonzon as well.

Three strikes and you're out, Katie Higgins of the East, and your little flying monkeys, too!

-Chas.

[JazzIs TvRicky]

Shakubuku or transmitting the mystic law is a natural result of indivuduals or groups of people awakening. At the same time, the obstacles created by people controlled by demonic lifestates slander this effort.”

Important

[JazzIs TvRicky]

Gongyo as Practiced by Nichiren Buddhism Sects dose not conform to your argument David.

You and I both know that Gongyo is emphasizing the Recitation of Shakyamuni’s Lotus Sutra over the correct practice as taught by Mr. Toda!

It also goes against Nichiren’s Teachings in Gosho’s Taught after Sado and those within Nichiren’s Ten Major Writings. Particularly On The Four Stages of Faith and The Five Stages of Practice which I consider an important teaching of Faith.

Nichiren Teaches

“Nevertheless, I will comply with your wishes and cite some passages. In volume nine of The Words and Phrases of the Lotus Sutra it is stated: “There is a danger that a beginner will be led astray by subordinate concerns, and that this will interfere with the primary practice. The beginner should directly give all his attention to embracing this sutra; that is the highest type of offering. If one sets aside formal practices but maintains the principle, then the benefits will be many and far-reaching.”

In this passage of commentary, “subordinate concerns” refers to the five pāramitās. If the beginner tries to practice the five pāramitās at the same time that he embraces the Lotus Sutra, that may work to obstruct his primary practice, which is faith. Such a person will be like a small ship that is loaded with wealth and treasure and sets out to cross the sea. Both the ship and the treasure will sink. And the words “should directly give all his attention to embracing this sutra” do not refer to the sutra as a whole. They mean that one should embrace the daimoku, or title, of the sutra exclusively and not mix it with other passages. Even recitation of the entire sutra is not permitted. How much less are the five pāramitās!
To “set aside formal practices but maintain the principle” means that one should set aside the keeping of the precepts and the other formal practices [of the five pāramitās] and embrace the principle of the daimoku exclusively. When the commentary says that “the benefits will be many and far-reaching,” it implies that, if the beginner should attempt to carry out various other practices and the daimoku at the same time, then all benefit will be completely lost.
Words and Phrases continues: “Question: If what you say is true, then upholding the Lotus Sutra is the foremost among all the precepts. Why, then [in describing the fourth stage of practice], does the Lotus Sutra speak about ‘one who can keep the precepts’? Answer: This is done in order to make clear by contrast what is needed at the initial stages. One should not criticize persons at the initial stages for failing to observe requirements that pertain only to the later stages.”16
The scholars of today, ignoring this passage of commentary, would place ignorant people of the latter age in the same category as the two sages Nan-yüeh and T’ien-t’ai—a most grievous error!
Miao-lo further clarifies the matter as follows: “Question: If that is so, then is there no need to construct actual towers to house the Buddha’s relics, and is there no need to formally keep the precepts? And further, is there no need to provide alms for monks who carry out the formal practices [of the six pāramitās]?”17
The Great Teacher Dengyō declared, “I have forthwith cast aside the two hundred and fifty precepts!”18 And the Great Teacher Dengyō was not the only one to do so. Nyohō and Dōchū,19 who were disciples of Ganjin, as well as the priests of the seven major temples of Nara, all in like manner cast them aside. Moreover, the Great Teacher Dengyō left this warning for future ages: “If in the Latter Day of the Law there should be persons who keep the precepts, that would be something rare and strange, like a tiger in the marketplace. Who could possibly believe it?”20
P.788Question: Why do you not advocate the meditation on the three thousand realms in a single moment of life, but instead simply encourage the chanting of the daimoku?
Answer: The two characters that comprise the name Japan contain within them all the people and animals and wealth in the sixty-six provinces of the country, without a single omission. And the two characters that make up the name India—do they not likewise contain within them all the seventy countries of India?21 Miao-lo says, “When for the sake of brevity one mentions only the daimoku, or title, the entire sutra is by implication included therein.”22 He also says, “When for the sake of brevity we speak of the Ten Worlds or the ten factors, the three thousand realms are perfectly encompassed therein.”

This teaching is mos profound and deals with Faith Exclusively. There is no question how Nichiren’s Teachings are elucidated within this Doctrinal Work.

It is that which I absolutely think should be followed and emphasized!

Sincerely Richard H Brown A Teacher of The Law

[kelpzoidzl]

Doing Gongyo with the attitude as discussed by Josei Toda is correct. You read the sutra in the Kanjin way
Of course reciting the daimoku is primary. Every "character is the Buddha," , is correct. Each character of the Sutra is the Daimoku, the gohonzon of your own life. There is really no distinction, but placing reciting Gongyo above the Daimoku, or reading it in terms of Shakyamuni is a mstake. It is NOT a grevious mistake, as long as the person is reciting Daimoku. It just means they are still using theory and mental interpretation above and over practice.

The problem is the theory-distinctions. "Were they not Bodhisattvas of the Earth, they could not Chant the Daimoku.." Is valid.

Daimoku is so powerful even total dummies and weakminded, with all kinds of unrelenting thoughts and contradictions and stupidities, in their minds, can attain Buddhahood.

There is only so much, developmental forcing, one can do to get others to just practice and unute tigether to fulfill tge other real part of the practice, to spread Buddhism in your own land, in your own time.

Reciting the Sutra is the same as reciting the Daimoku if a person is reciting Daimoku as primary. Reciting the Sutra is a preparatory way of making an offering to the Gohonzon to prepare for reciting Daimoku, taking a shower and washing and putting on clean clothes before sitting to practice is also preparatiry and respectful. If you do Daimoku in a bathrobe too, that is okay, but not when attending a public ceremony. This is because you do not practice in a vacuum, even as a lone bodhisattva. No matter how some one pushes the idea that all is really Ku, that is only theory. There is no value if we don't create it ourselves.

Nichiren's guidance varied acording to the various followers. There is no dispute that he himself recited the sutra and the practice of reciting various passages of the Sutra and then recited the Daimoku as the primary practice.

The very awakening In Nichiren's life, that led him to announce the Daimoku as the One Great Secret Law, was brought about during his reciting the Ceremony in the Air chapters including especially the Juryo Chapter and practising the Shikan meditation, during a period of seclusion.

With the Daimoku, he teaches that all those practises are contained within the reciting the Daimoku to the Great Mandala of the Gohonzon and that is so powerful as to insure attaining Buddhahood, for anyone capable of practice, even just saying the Daimoku once. Even just hearing it is amazing and rare.

Nichiren makes it very clear in the Kaimoku Sho his view of the Juryo Chapter and the Daimoku hidden in the depths. The practice as passed down by Nikko Shonin is correct and recitation of the Sutra was always included in the Ceremony upholding the Three Great Secret Laws. It was a unity of priesthood and laity that allowed the spreading of Nichiren's Buddhism to the west, Gongyo is a part of the formal practice. Reciting those specific chapters was Nichiren's method as supporting practice for the primary practice.

Another way to see this is that prior to the mobilization of laypeople, only Priests recited major parts of Sutras in Japan. When laypeople too began reciting the Sutra it essentially was the time of a giant and mystical turning point in Nichiren Buddhism.

But yes, a person just wearing a bathrobe and not bathed, can do their practice too.

[JazzIs TvRicky]

I hear you loud and clear!
The point is that their is no need Teach Sutra Recital as a ‘but’ when extolling the Essentials of Nichiren’s Teachings this I have found very very imbedded in Nichiren Shoshu Soka Gakkai Pioneers and I really do understand it.

The inconsistency of Gongyo as Practiced by Nichiren Buddhism Sects and the teachings of Toda is evident in the comprehension most members attained. They did not know of Toda’s Lectures nor have Access to them. Only Ikeda’s Lectures On The Sutra which had no context of Toda’s at the time I joined in 1982.

What that generation taught us was Shayamuni’s Lotus Sutra Recital failing to teach from Toda’s Lectures and the guilt of not performing Gongyo as Practiced by Nichiren Buddhism Sects.

This I feel was the failure of NSA’s Mission and a Cause which prevents the current SGI from having to answer to allegations of disloyalty to Toda’s Truth.

Nam Myoho Renge Kyo is not merely defined by Chanting it is essentially defined and accomplished through Faith!

To even consider adding Sutra Recital without total and complete belief in the efficacy of the Daimoku Exclusively is the Danger Nichiren shares with us.

Unlike Christianity Nichiren Daishonin’s Teachings are not fueled by Guilt or other coercive means but rather keeping Faith in The Gohonzon of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo and not overemphasizing Nam Myoho Renge Kyo as though it is separate and distinct in and of itself.

This I feel is why NSA WAS VULNERABLE TO IKEDA’s egoistic actions and behavior and his deviation from the Master Disciple relationship he so passionately pretended to embrace!

Ask yourselves why NSA DID NOT STAND UP AND FIGHT AGAINST Ikeda’s destruction of American Kosen-rufu?

This I find a lesson in Faith!

[Noel]

I recite sutra sometimes not because I have to but because I like to and don't feel guilty if I don't but on the other hand I chant Daimoku because after all its the primary practice and I need to since I don't like to feel incomplete and dissatisfied from when I don't. It's almost like an addiction and a healthy one at that

Somethings we can go more without than others but it's nice to have things such as sutra recitation and Daimoku that compliment each other for when we feel we like to or when we need it. No hard or binding rules but flexibility according to the changing times

[kelpzoidzl]

I blame myself for letting new believers in 1982 down. I blame myself for not protecting Mr. Williams from these blood drinking, cocaine snorting, orgy consumed, devil-worshipping, conspiratorial, hypocritical, Ikeda ass kissing fiends. By 1982 I already knew deep down Ikeda was in the process of betraying Buddhism and NSA.

When I saw the evil being done, I walked away from leadership by 1983. I went to Mr. Kikumura and said I am gong back to school and finish my masters degree and working 48 hours a day. I was North Hollywod Headquarters vice chief at the time and acting Headquarter Chief as Jerry Hall was about to be Territory Chief.

No way was I going to officially be part of this corruption. I had already moved my family physically up to the beach in Ventura county and was commuting to activities.

The signs were there. I knew They were self-destructing.

I let my concern for family, personal life and career take more importance. It was my own failure of not staying and doing battle. I could have.

I buried myself in work, internships, graduate degrees and family.

There were also USA social reasons why NSA was dragged into the schism, as early as 1976 it was clear Ikeda's agenda was demented and not sharing GMW's dream for Buddhism in America and social the conditions in the USA by the 1980's was reflecting this.

Nothing has changed with what the correct practice is.

I must have xeroxed a thousand copies of Toda's Lectures of the Sutra.

[kelpzoidzl]

Bodhisattva of the Earth of America, please arise again.

Evil globalists are trying to tear down America. America is the only place today from which true Buddhism can spread.

George Willams in studying the founding fathers, knew. Japan was an old dead country, that had tried to take over the world and needed A bombs to stop them. Nchiren was a patriot of Japan (country) but also knew they were "the most perverse country".) Ikeda tried to undermine GMW, while courting the Club of Rome and Count Kudenhove Kalergi and a United Nations of Karl Marx. He hated GMW and NSA. He used SGI USA staff to do his bidding against GNW and they were flattered. Ikeda was not a Bodhisatva anymore. Even a corrupted Nikken would have remained just a figurehead of real Nichiren Shoshu and been kept at bay had it not been for Mr. Ikeda.

[Chas.]

David Cole's Zen views are not Nichiren Daishonin's Lotus Sutra views +

Responding to:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/kdvOs2Bk-Pk/qmleLEcDAwAJ

On Friday, October 13, 2017 at 9:25:46 AM UTC-7, kelpzoidzl wrote:
> THE AUTHORS OF THE LOTUS SUTRA
>
> The authors of the Lotus Sutra knew they were using expedient means. In fact, the entire Lotus Sutra, especially, was about the previous and current use of expedient means, to lead people to practice.
>
> All the parables in the Lotus Sutra were about expedient means and justifying the use of expedient means for the sake of teaching others of varying capacities.
>
> Ultimately the various expedient means were used because people as a whole, needed to be taught that way. Only rarely are there people who are born and automatically remember and recapitulate the entire range of Buddhism.
>

[snip]

What a pile of crap all that is David.

Your Zen view of the Lotus Sutra and Nichiren Daishonin's views are dramatically opposed.

The Lotus Sutra, which is the vehicle drawn by the white oxen of the daimoku, Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo in Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism (see the Ongi Kuden URL quote below).

http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/ott/PART-1/3#para-51

From the above quote you can see that in Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism the daimoku and the Lotus Sutra are intrinsically intertwined.

And the only enlightenment worth having only arises from hearing, reading and reciting the Lotus Sutra and its title or daimoku, Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo.

Here is further proof that the Lotus Sutra is not discarded by Nichiren Daishonin. I have upper-cased the critical points, so that you cannot miss them. From "On Establishing the Four Bodhisattvas as the Object of Devotion," WND I, p. 978:

http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/134#para-10

... You also mentioned in your letter that the people connected
... with Ōta Jōmyō ARE APPARENTLY SAYING THAT THE THEORETICAL
... TEACHING OF THE LOTUS SUTRA CAN IN NO WAY LEAD TO
... ENLIGHTENMENT. THEY ARE MAKING A SERIOUS MISTAKE. Remember
... this about the theoretical and essential teachings of the
... Lotus Sutra: Which is shallow and which profound, which
... superior and which inferior, which lenient and which
... severe, and which subordinate and which primary must be
... judged in accordance with the time and the people’s
... capacity. There are three periods in which the sacred
... teachings of the Buddha’s lifetime should be propagated;
... the people’s capacity should be thought of in the same way.
...
... In the first five hundred years of the Former Day of the
... Law following the Buddha’s passing, only Hinayana teachings
... spread, while in the next five hundred years, provisional
... Mahayana teachings spread. The thousand years of the Middle
... Day of the Law saw the rise of the theoretical teaching. In
... the beginning of the Latter Day of the Law, only the
... essential teaching spreads, but even so, the theoretical
... teaching should not be discarded. Nowhere in the entire
... Lotus Sutra do we find a passage suggesting that we should
... discard the first fourteen chapters, which comprise the
... theoretical teaching. When we distinguish between the
... theoretical and the essential teachings on the basis of the
... threefold classification of the entire body of the Buddha’s
... teachings, the pre-Lotus Sutra teachings were to be spread
... in the Former Day, and the theoretical teaching, in the
... Middle Day, but the Latter Day is the time to propagate the
... essential teaching. In the present period the essential
... teaching is primary, while the theoretical teaching is
... subordinate. BUT THOSE WHO THEREFORE DISCARD THE LATTER,
... SAYING IT IS NOT THE WAY TO ENLIGHTENMENT, AND BELIEVE ONLY
... IN THE FORMER, HAVE NOT YET UNDERSTOOD THE DOCTRINE OF
... NICHIREN’S TRUE INTENTION. THEIRS IS A COMPLETELY DISTORTED
... VIEW.
...
... This doctrine concerning the theoretical and essential
... teachings is not my own [but was expounded by the Buddha].
... THOSE WHO WOULD DISTORT IT CAN ONLY BE POSSESSED BY THE
... HEAVENLY DEVIL, OR PĀPĪYAS, AND WILL TOPPLE OTHERS ALONG
... WITH THEMSELVES INTO THE GREAT CITADEL OF THE HELL OF
... INCESSANT SUFFERING. HOW FOOLISH THEY ARE! Teach this
... doctrine to others clearly as I have taught you these many
... years. Those who call themselves my disciples and practice
... the Lotus Sutra should all practice as I do. If they do,
... Shakyamuni, Many Treasures, Shakyamuni’s emanations
... throughout the ten directions, and the ten demon daughters
... will protect them. Yet, for all that, [some people
... associated with Ōta Jōmyō distort the teaching]. I cannot
... fathom what could be in their minds.

Sensei wrote six volumes on the "Wisdom of the Lotus Sutra," pointing out endlessly that the Lotus Sutra is "A Scripture That Calls Out To All People" and that the 69,384 character version and the daimoku that we chant are one in the same. As Nichiren Daishonin says, reciting the title IS reciting all of the 69,384 characters of the Lotus Sutra, just as calling out "David Cole" causes you to respond in an attempt to be the new Yamazaki.

Your Zen views are not Nichiren Daishonin's views.

-Chas.
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[JazzIs TvRicky]

We are rising again David as Toda taught, one individual standing up is enough!

Time is the essence of Buddhist transmission it is taught clearly in the Sutra. We are on our missions and have created an avenue of faith never before opened to the masses! All that has occurred is in line with Nichiren’s Teachings.

Patience is what we need now and that comes from Faith in what our Scripture Preaches.

Continuing as the Gosho clearly teaches, is the key to victory and realizing Kosen-rufu right where we are.

Most people do not know of The Gosho Reference which George M Williams compiled and is the First Compilation of Nichiren’s Teachings in English of The Soka Gakkai!

I have fortunately gathered many of the Original Books and cherish them as historical and valuable in the future of Nichiren’s Teachings. These Gosho’s are examples of how you present Nichiren’s Teachings to the world. They are bound and compiled so beautifully!

[Katie Higgins]

>>"Reciting the Daimoku is the supreme form of meditation--called Chih-Kuan in Chinese or Shikan in Japan as in Tientai of China's teachings- literally stopping the mind to observe it and is also Vipasanna-Samatha in old Buddhist Yoga of Shakyamuni. Nichiren's One Great Secret Law can be practised by most anyone without understanding anything else. <<"

Ricky is misleading and confusing the true teachings with Tendai bunk.

1 )Nichiren states that shaken or kanji MUST be grounded in the Lotus Sutra. "On Correct Contemplation"

2)" Myoho-renge- kyo" is the TITLE, the essence of the Lotus Sutra, Shakyamuni's NOT Nichiren's teaching.

3) Namu- "devoting one's life" to the LOTUS SUTRA --

4) Elevating Nichiren'a status above Shakyamuni and declaring the daimoku a "separate" "superior teaching" of Nichiren's was the work of Tendei trained priests who sought to create their own "elite" school, stealing the daimoku and the gohonzon from Nichiren.

Ricky and co, don't know doctrine from donuts!!

~Katie

[JazzIs TvRicky]

DAVE you must know Cathy and Jack Wilmore and myself If you Practiced In North Hollywood as a leader in 1982-83. I know I would recognize you. We were Wilshire which shared the Kaikan with North Hollywood and actually was a part of North Hollywood Headquarters before splitting!

[Katie Higgins]

On Thursday, October 19, 2017 at 7:50:37 PM UTC-4, JazzIs TvRicky wrote:
> DAVE you must know Cathy and Jack Wilmore and myself If you Practiced In North Hollywood as a leader in 1982-83. I know I would recognize you. We were Wilshire which shared the Kaikan with North Hollywood and actually was a part of North Hollywood Headquarters before splitting!

Ricky's head is split in at least seven pieces!!

[Noel]

Cheap snipes from the gutters of the lower worlds. Was wondering when you going th raise your ugly head again. It was so nice to have not heard from you for a while

[Katie Higgins]

Noel is still expecting comfortable circumstances - which he can only enjoy with like minded hobos 😁

Posted a link for reference to authentic Gosho and Nichiren’s standard for formal religious debate. Maybe Noel will cool his jets 😎and study for a change 😏

~ Katie

[Chas.]

Katie Higgins's Arguments Are Weak, Because She Does Not Embrace Mentor And Disciple +

On Thursday, October 19, 2017 at 4:25:47 PM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 12:54:21 PM UTC-4, Chas. wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 17, 2017 at 6:03:32 PM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, October 17, 2017 at 1:25:23 PM UTC-4, Chas. wrote:
> > > > On Monday, October 16, 2017 at 6:35:17 PM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:
> > > > > New topic? Back to your warped view of the True Buddha, I see...
> > > > >
> > > > > Since you cannot embrace / believe a thousand or so passages written by Nichiren about Shakyamuni and you cannot brlive the words of the Lotus Sutra Nichiren recommended for daily recitation , you have not yet aroused the joy of faith in the true teachings -. How much less likely is it that you could comprehend the reverence due Shakyamuni? In truth , you cannot / for having failed to approach the Buddha’s teachings with FAITH you lack wisdom —
> > > > >
> > > > > Fortunately the true teachings of Nichiren are spreading — many who never drank the Gakkai/Shoshu poison are hearing about and embracing the Buddhism Nichiren practiced.
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually, Chas- your self inflicted compulsion to litter this forum with personal attacks is helping me and others reveal the “true “—
> > > > >
> > > > > < Katie
> > > >
> > > > I am sure that in your view, my five questions are a "personal attack". In fact they are general questions for anyone supporting your distorted views of Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism. It only appears "personal" to you, because the demons that have control of your life are offended and take it personally, and that they should. My radar is locked onto them, and I have them in my targeting system and I am firing at them. Your deep attachment to them makes this process appear "personal", when in reality it is not. Just stay calm and I'll make this as painless as possible.
> > > >
> > > > -Chas.
> > >
> > > I have answered your questions, Chas-- you have proven lax in your study of the nearly thousand passages Nichiren has written about Shakyamuni Buddha, therefore, you cannot grasp the expressions of reverence for the True Buddha that all of Nichiren's true followers naturally feel.
> > > You are a broken record on "statue worship" "the name of the true entity" and the "identity of the original Buddha"-- all of your misconceptions boil down to negligence in study on your part.
> > >
> > > Whatever compels you to insist that I am controlled by demons, it has to be connected to your own faith and practice. You simply cannot make such pronouncements-- or rather , you have not attained what you claim---
> > >
> > > The true teachings are spreading Chas-- and as lain pointed out, even your insane resistance is functioning to reveal the truth of Nichiren's actual teachings.
> > >
> > > ~Katie
> >
> > Actually Katie, you don't even have a single answer to any of my five questions:
> >
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/jeDhDwSGoFE/XSzjhQ_1AwAJ
> >
> > Simply saying you have answered them is not answering, it is saying you have answered them.
> >
> > Answer just one of them, and we can start from there.
> >
> > Iain, the Red Baron Dewar is no longer in your flying squadron, Katie. You are left with the likes of Ricky and Noel to spread your "teachings."
> >
> > Pathetic.
> >
> > -Chas.
>
> Speaking of "teachings", I was reminded today of the very heart of the confusion that surrounds any discussion with you here. A former SGI member shared the "intro to Buddhism Gakkai 101"-- it is the
> meaning" assigned to chanting the "Mystic Law"- You hobos tell people that they are "devoting" themselves to a Law/Teaching " that you describe as "the simultaneity of cause and effect; that permeates the universe" IT is NOT about a BUDDHA, but a LAW that is the TRUTH of their lives ; that they will AWAKEN to and realize their BUDDHAOOD/TRUE IDENITY. This is bunk!
>
> Myoho-renge-kyo is the TITLE and the essence of the 28 volume Lotus Sutra; the highest TEACHING of SHAKYAMUNI Buddha. Devoting oneself to the LOTUS SUTRA as Nichiren did is the practice. Your misunderstanding of the main doctrines of Nichiren's teachings is the problem-- but it is your continued practice of heretical doctrine that causes your blindness to the true teachings!
>
> I reminded this former SGI member that devotion to the Lotus Sutra would first and foremost entail BELIEVING the Buddha's golden words. Read the translation of Gongyo. IF you do not believe the Buddha, you are not practicing as Nichiren did. Period.
>

[snip that's enough corrupted logic.]

Let me point out the weakness in your arguments produced by your corrupted logic analysis.

1. You not only have to have faith in the Lotus Sutra and Shayamuni Buddha who preached it correctly. You also have to have faith in his followers, in particular his cousin (and Devadatta's brother) Ananda, whose uncanny memory abilities allowed him to remember every single sutra that the Buddha preached, especially the Lotus Sutra, accompanying sutras and the Nirvana Sutra (the Buddha's last will and testament.)

Then there are all those monks who had to hand this tradition down orally for hundreds of years until these critical sutras and the rest of the canon could be translated into a written language (probably initially, Brahmi, a syllabary of Sanskrit until written Sanskrit was invented.)

After that you have to trust Kumarajiva and the later translators into Chinese, Japanese and English, most of whom were corrupted and made evil mistakes. There has always been one common mortal who did not make mistakes, however.

All along the way, the kind of plagiarism and adulteration that Nichiren Shu is famous for (historically by burning the original copies of Nichiren Daishonin's Gosho letters that they disagreed with after the Daishonin's death, which makes your claims of forging possible,) could have happened in the chain of custody of the documents. It takes faith in all these people to believe in the Lotus Sutra, as well.

Those who do not believe in the mentor and disciple principle are doomed not to have this faith. Those that do not believe that these common mortals are true Buddhas are doomed not to have this faith and must ignore this point entirely as if their corrupted idolatrous school worshiping Shakyamuni as a false man-God somehow floated upon a platform of nothing, when in fact it was held up by the countless acts of sacrifice and suffering for the sake of the Lotus Sutra by the true Buddhas in the ten directions.

2. Your argument rests solely upon the daimoku as simply the title of the Lotus Sutra, from where it gets its value or power simply because of your false belief in Shakyamuni as a man-God means that his preaching the Lotus Sutra makes it the truth. This ignores the fact that the Lotus Sutra itself states that in the past his 15 brothers, father and grandfather preached it before him and in parallel to him elsewhere, and that Shakyamuni predicted other great Buddhas, even Devadatta, would preach it in the future. It is the eternal truth out of their mouths as well.

In fact, it is infinitely more than derivation: Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo is the core and repository of the eternal truth in and of itself, simply because it contains the spoken sound (in the Japanese pronunciation of the Chinese characters) of the name of the eternal Buddha. "Myoho-Renge" who is inseparable from the Law in the true teaching or sutra, "Myoho-Renge-Kyo", to which we devote ourselves and enter and leave meditation upon every time we chant "Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo."

And chanting that can only work, because secretly, each one of us is the true Buddha and that sound is the key unlocking our Buddha wisdom. This is precisely why we attain Buddhahood immediately by chanting, even though we are surrounded by endlessly varying sources of corruption, such are your witch's brew of idolatry and self-hatred from Nichiren Shu.

-Chas.
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[JazzIs TvRicky]

Read carefully

[Chas.]

To make it perfectly clear once more, Ricky, your treason towards Nichiren Daishonin, by promoting the download of internet pirated Gohonzon printouts, using images of Gohonzon stolen by the traitorous priests who betrayed the Daishonin after his death by turning his Buddhism into a statue worshiping cult forcing Shakyamuni into the role of god almighty ... that treason of yours is not cloaked in the slightest by wrapping yourself in Gosho quotes taken from the website of the SGI you hate. Making up new Buddhism is pretending that you are Nichiren Daishonin without the scholarship he practiced from his early youth. That cannot be repeated, because a lot of what he read in those temple libraries is gone, burned during the Islamic conquest of India, Mao's destruction of the temples in China and Nobunaga and Hideyoshi's destruction of the temples, like Enryakuji, in Japan. You are not Nichiren Daishonin and no one can ever be like him again.

-Chas.

[JazzIs TvRicky]

Gohonzon Shichi Ka So-Jo” Written by Nikko Shonin he asked Nichiren questions and Nikko records Nichiren's answer.
A rough, literal, translation.
①明星直見の本尊の事如何、師曰く末代の凡夫・幼稚の為に何者を以つて本尊とす可きと・虚空蔵菩薩に御祈請ありし時 "What is the meaning of 'The Gohonzon when seen in the evening star'?" Our master (Nichiren) says: "I was praying and vowing in front of Bodhisattva Kokuzo (Akasagarbha) to discern clearly what is the true object of devotion for us ignorant beings of mortal flesh"
②古僧示して言はく、汝等が身を以って本尊と為す可し・明星の池を見給えとの玉えば、即ち彼の池を見るに不思議なり日蓮 "at the time, a very talented and well-versed senior monk came and said to me, 'You should establish the object of devotion of the mortal flesh of yourself! Look at the surface of that pond reflecting under the evening star out there!' And I saw the pond that was very mystic!"
③が影・今の大曼荼羅なり云云、此の事を俊範法印に御物語りありしを法印讃歎して言く善哉云云・釈迦古僧に値い奉つて塔中に直受せるなり貴し貴しと讃め被れたり、日興は浪の上にゆられて見え給ひつる処の本尊の御形なりしをば能く能く似せ奉るなり、仍つて本尊書写の事・一向日興之を書写し奉る可き事勿論なるのみ。 "My shadow reflection (on the pond) was the Mandala of which I inscribe now! Right after that, I went and told another talented and well-versed senior monk named 'Shun' (or Toshi) about the stories of what I experienced at the pond, etc. He repeatedly said in a sincere manner: 'This is a good experience! This is a good experience for you! You've just met Sakyamuni and received the true object of devotion directly in the treasure tower!'"
I, Nikko, saw the shadow and the figure of my master, Nichiren, as the Honzon very clearly on the sea surface when I was on a small boat with him while the boat was rocking with the gentle motion of the waves on our way. Thus, I, Nikko, copy the Gohonzon of my master without even a little difference, which I believe it has to be so!"

[Chas.]

To make it abundantly clear once more, Ricky, your treason towards Nichiren Daishonin, by promoting the download of internet pirated Gohonzon printouts, using images of Gohonzon stolen by the traitorous priests who betrayed the Daishonin after his death by turning his Buddhism into a statue worshiping cult forcing Shakyamuni into the role of god almighty ... that treason of yours is not cloaked in the slightest by wrapping yourself in Gosho quotes taken from the website of the SGI you hate. Making up new Buddhism is pretending that you are Nichiren Daishonin without the scholarship he practiced from his early youth. That cannot be repeated, because a lot of what he read in those temple libraries is gone, burned during the Islamic conquest of India, Mao's destruction of the temples in China and Nobunaga and Hideyoshi's destruction of the temples, like Enryakuji, in Japan. You are not Nichiren Daishonin and no one can ever be like him again.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 3:07:11 PM UTC-4, Chas. wrote:
> To make it abundantly clear once more, Ricky, your treason towards Nichiren Daishonin, by promoting the download of internet pirated Gohonzon printouts, using images of Gohonzon stolen by the traitorous priests who betrayed the Daishonin after his death by turning his Buddhism into a statue worshiping cult forcing Shakyamuni into the role of god almighty ... that treason of yours is not cloaked in the slightest by wrapping yourself in Gosho quotes taken from the website of the SGI you hate. Making up new Buddhism is pretending that you are Nichiren Daishonin without the scholarship he practiced from his early youth. That cannot be repeated, because a lot of what he read in those temple libraries is gone, burned during the Islamic conquest of India, Mao's destruction of the temples in China and Nobunaga and Hideyoshi's destruction of the temples, like Enryakuji, in Japan. You are not Nichiren Daishonin and no one can ever be like him again.
>
> -Chas.

Let’s strictly adhere to Nichiren’s own teachings -

In Reply to Sairen-bo, Nichiren states :

“ When the Thus Come One Shakyamuni, our original teacher appeared in the world in order to expound the Lotus Sutra , the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas of the other worlds, like shadows and echos , came forth and assisted him in his efforts to spread the teachings . Now it seems that they have appeared here in Japan as envoys of Shakyamuni, Many Treasures, and the Buddhas of the ten directions to help me in my efforts to spread the teachings .” (1272)

Recall that Sairen-bo was a Tendai Priest who converted to Nichiren’s teachings on Sado

~Katie

[JazzIs TvRicky]

Katie writes

“Let’s strictly adhere to Nichiren’s own teachings -

In Reply to Sairen-bo, Nichiren states :

“ When the Thus Come One Shakyamuni, our original teacher appeared in the world in order to expound the Lotus Sutra , the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas of the other worlds, like shadows and echos , came forth and assisted him in his efforts to spread the teachings . Now it seems that they have appeared here in Japan as envoys of Shakyamuni, Many Treasures, and the Buddhas of the ten directions to help me in my efforts to spread the teachings .” (1272)

Recall that Sairen-bo was a Tendai Priest who converted to Nichiren’s teachings on Sado

~Katie ”

You are such an inept thief of Doctrine Kate! Girly you do not reveal where you quote the Gosho from, Yet it is from The SGI Library which you solely rely on! Then ylbecause of your inability to completely study or even know how to approach Nichiren’s Teachings you expose your blasphemy and duplicitous.

Nichiren Writes in ‘The True Aspect of All Phenomena’

“In this letter, I have written my most important teachings. Grasp their meaning firmly, and make them a part of your life. Believe in the Gohonzon, the supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvīpa. Be sure to strengthen your faith, and receive the protection of Shakyamuni, Many Treasures, and the Buddhas of the ten directions. Exert yourself in the two ways of practice and study. Without practice and study, there can be no Buddhism. You must not only persevere yourself; you must also teach others. Both practice and study arise from faith. Teach others to the best of your ability, even if it is only a single sentence or phrase. Nam-myoho-renge-kyo, Nam-myoho-renge-kyo.
With my deep respect,
Nichiren

The seventeenth day of the fifth month

Postscript:
I wrote before about the doctrines that have been handed down to me. Those I have revealed to you in this particular P.387letter are very important. Is there not a mystic bond between us? Are you not the embodiment of one of the four bodhisattvas, including Superior Practices, who led the Bodhisattvas of the Earth equal in number to the sands of the sixty thousand Ganges Rivers? There must be some profound reason for our relationship. I have given you the teachings that concern myself. Nichiren may be one of the followers of the Bodhisattvas of the Earth who are equal in number to the sands of the sixty thousand Ganges Rivers, for I have been chanting Nam-myoho-renge-kyo out of my desire to guide all the men and women in Japan. The sutra says, “[Among these bodhisattvas were four leaders.] The first was called Superior Practices . . . These four bodhisattvas were the foremost leaders and guiding teachers.”13 A bond of karma from the past has led you to become my disciple. By all means keep this letter to yourself. I have herein committed to writing the doctrines of my own enlightenment. I will end here.

Reply to Sairen-bō

From
The True Aspect of All Phenomena

Written by Nichiren

SGI LIBRARY

You use a Gosho addressed to Sairen-bo yet fail to realize you call this one addressed to Sairen-bo Fake!

You got CAUGHT KATE! Your ability to read and comprehend Buddism is not credible nor coming from faith in any form of Buddhism!

You are nothing but an inept and ignorant pretender Nichiren Buddhist yet continually reveal your stupidity under the guise of being some sort of expert!


You are simply a Gohonzon Burner and a danger to families who would even consider listening to your nonsense!

Have a great 👍 day!

[Noel]

If one wasn't reading Nichiren's teachings from the higher perspective of the Nikko lineage they would become deranged if they were taking on board those base interpretations from the likes of Mark and Katie. Even though they try to master doctrine they are unsuccessful, better they stick to criticising secular affairs of the SGI where their criticisms are relevant

[Chas.]

Note that Nichiren Daishonin refers to "Thus Come One Shakyamuni" as "our original teacher", which in the Lotus Sutra school clearly implies he who preached the Lotus Sutra.

That does not imply a falsely-deified man-God Jehovah Creator of Heaven and Earth, or even a Jesus Christ son of God.

And Nichiren Daishonin describes the Gohonzon as "the supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvipa", not statues of the falsely deified Shakyamuni as God Almighty.

And Nichiren Daishonin never, ever anywhere in the Gosho suggests to chant Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo to enshrined statues of Shakyamuni as his practice of Buddhism. That is why we have the Gohonzon. So there is no excuse for the statue-worshiping idolatry of the traitorous priests at Nichiren Shu, who are your puppet masters.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

Well, guess what Ricky-- not a fake Gosho-- the history of this one speaks for itself-- copied by a discip-le of Nichiren. You are a sloppy scholar and a very foul mouthed proponent of kanto Tendai bunk--

I work with families, hobo Ricky, and I teach others to trust Nichiren's own words and the Lotus Sutra-- your base minded aspersions are a joke!

~Katie

[Katie Higgins]

You are really a piece of work, Chas- having dismissed a thousand passages of Nichiren's writings on Shakyamuni, which speaks loudly to your ignorance regarding "reverence" for the true Buddha-- you have the audacity to spew absolutely idiocy about what it means to express deep gratitude for the Buddha.

Your harebrained concepts of a "primordial" entity that you claim is superior to Shakyamuni and the Lotus Sutra is more closely aligned to a "God Almighty"-- You mumble truncated daimoku as though saying "magic words" like a cowardly lemming who cannot even read the words of the Buddha with humility .

All you are capable of is base insults and stupid innuendos. I have no 'puppet masters"-- the traitorous priests in your story are actually your mentors' teachers!

~Katie

[Noel]

You are Marks monster

[Katie Higgins]

More school yard bully drivel from another lazy hobo !

~ Katie

[Noel]

On Tuesday, October 24, 2017 at 6:32:44 PM UTC+10, Katie Higgins wrote:
> More school yard bully drivel from another lazy hobo !
>
> ~ Katie

It's ironic that you use the term hobo continuously to label others as slanderers when you are guilty of what you accuse others of. So every time you say Hobo I see it as you are slandering others. The HOBO queen accusing others of what she is. That's right Queen Katie Hobo this is who you are!

[Katie Higgins]

I use the term to appropriately name those of you who DISREGARD both the Buddha’s golden words and dismiss Nichiren’s devotion to upholding them.

You are entitled to your arbitrary opinions , Noel , but you cannot alter the definitions of terms to suit your egoistic agenda.

You care more about your own ego than the teachings of the Buddha. Most hobos are thin skinned — as Nichiren noted, slanderers are given to attacking the messenger who exposed their error .

~ Katie

[Noel]

You have delusions of grandeur thinking that you are the messenger that exposed the error when you can't even see what has been presented to you by Nichiren in Gosho and when confronted of you are absent because no one is there in that thick skull of yours

[Katie Higgins]

Such hostility ! You present disputed and outright fake “ bunk” and speak ill of those who have repeatedly presented authentic writings that completely refute your bunk. Clearly your focus is on your own ego —

~ Katie

[Chas.]

On the contrary:

On Monday, October 23, 2017 at 3:12:59 PM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:
> On Monday, October 23, 2017 at 11:54:57 AM UTC-4, Chas. wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 4:42:07 PM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 2:08:21 PM UTC-4, Chas. wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, October 21, 2017 at 9:25:01 AM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:
> > > > > Embrace the Buddha’s golden words with faith / then you’ll be on the same page as Nichiren.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best~
> > > > > ~Katie
> > > >
> > > > This from a woman who blatantly ignores the Lotus Sutra passages regarding the Buddha's 15 older brothers, father and grandfather, who all preached the Lotus Sutra in different parts of the universe before and in parallel to him.
> > > >
> > > > She ignores this FACT, because it runs completely opposite to her distorted doctrine of worshiping the statues of a falsely deified Shakyamuni as God Almighty, creator of heaven and earth: Shakyamuni as Jehovah or Jesus Christ.
> > > >
> > > > I would bet a month's salary, that Katie Higgins was a good little Christian girl growing up, yes? Confess, and do your penance.
> > > >
> > > > -Chas.
> > >
> > > When will you stop ignoring the chapters of the Lotus sutra Nichiren recommended for daily recitation?
> > >
> > > You are not grounding your "kanji" in the Lotus Sutra, so naturally you are befuddled.
> > >
> > > And you just lost your bet, Chas!! making assumptions from your wrong- headedness is a serious liability !
> > >
> > > ~Katie
> >
> > It was just a guess and a bet, Katie, don't get all up in yourself about it. Since you weren't a good little Christian girl, you are getting to your statue-worshiping idolatry of Shakyamuni as a falsely-deified man-God Jehovah or Jesus Christ rather late in life, I think. Early or late, it's still idolatry and false-deification.
> >
> > The fact that you crypto-speak in your own cloaked mixture of English and Japanese is kind of wizardly Tantric, I think, as well. Hiding your meanings in the mystery, so to speak, instead of putting them in plain English and exposing your fallacious reasoning to the light of day.
> >
> > -Chas.
>
> Crypto-speak? Must be what you call the words of Nichiren-- and still you cannot fathom why he recommended reciting the golden words of the Buddha-- specifically the words that IDENTIFY the Buddha.
>
> All you do is "guess", Chas because you have no firm grasp of even the basics of Buddhism --
>
> I believe Shakyamuni's statements about himself-- you apparently do not.
>
> I was the kind of little girl who questioned everything and by the time I encountered Nichiren's teachings, I was quite capable of noting what a crock the NSA was -- there are many grown up women who were fearless "little girls" , Chas-- and none of us has any problem calling out you pretentious fools for the lies you tell and the demeaning attitudes you project towards women-- EVEN claiming to follow Nichiren, who had the utmost respect for the women who followed him. - You are a pompous fool!
>
> I do not "worship" statues-- much as it pleases you to make such a stupid statement. I do defer to Nichiren's practice of showing reverence for the True Buddha, Shakyamuni and I encourage others to do the same.

[snip]

Liar, liar, pants on fire. Elsewhere you have contradicted yourself on your idolatry, if it walks, swims and quacks like a duck, it's most likely a duck:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/xJD6LNGes-E/T7xhQ2DbAAAJ

On Saturday, July 9, 2016 at 5:07:50 PM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:

[snip]

||| How do I display my own adoring reverence for Shakyamuni ?
||| I have a small statue of Shakyamuni on the altar table
||| beneath my Gohonzon. I bow in reverence to it and chant
||| daimoku three times.
|||

[snip]

Placing statues of a falsely-deified Shakyamuni as God Almighty Jehovah or Jesus Christ, in front of the Gohonzon is a PHYSICAL SLANDER of the Gohonzon. This is noticed by the entity, couldn't possibly miss it.

And my references to you as a little girl? You would not have been a little boy, would you? I am only bowing to the obvious, it's not misogyny. I battle with you in the same way I do with other distorters of Buddhism, David Cole, Iain Dewar, Mark Rogow, etc. I do not treat women issendai/icchantika any differently than I do the men: the same wall-to-wall refutation, no favoritism towards either sex.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

Chas has not produced one single passage of Nichiren's writings that in any way supports his hostile view of showing reverence for Shakyamuni Buddha-- because NONE exist. Chas must think Nichiren's continual reverence for the True Buddha is deifying Shakyamuni, because ALL of my beliefs and my practice practice are based on Nichiren's own words and the example he set.

The real problem Chas and SGI have is their negligence in studying the authentic writings of Nichiren--even though they are contained in "their " library. I reached my conclusions about the SGI/NST through study of Nichiren's writings nd discounting the Gakkai/Shohu footnotes!

Who was Nichiren? How did he view himself? What did Nichiren's own practice teach us about the attitude in faith we must forge in order to attain Buddhahood? Here is one paragraph from the "Opening of The Eyes" that answers these questions :

"With this body of mine, I have fulfilled the prophecies of the sutra. The more the government authorities rage against me, the greater is my joy. For instance, there are certain Hinayana bodhisattvas, not yet freed from delusion, who draw evil karma to themselves by their own compassionate vow. If they see that their father and mother have fallen into hell and are suffering greatly, they will deliberately create theappropriate karma in hopes that they too may fall into hell and share in and take their suffering upon themselves. Thus suffering is a joy to them. It is the same with me [in fulfilling the prophecies]. Though at present I must face trials that I can scarcely endure, I rejoice when I think that in the future I will escape being born into the evil paths."

Only a depraved hearted fool could fail to recognize the debt of gratitude we owe Shakyamuni . It is Nichiren who made this point clear with his very life---

"Shakyamuni Buddha appeared in the sahā world, Kumārajīvajourneyed to the Ch’in dynasty in China,224 and Dengyō likewise went toChina [all for the sake of the Lotus Sutra]. Āryadeva and Āryasimhasacrificed their bodies. Bodhisattva Medicine King burned his arms as an offering, and Prince Jōgū stripped off the skin on his hand [and copied the sutra on it].225 Shakyamuni, when he was a bodhisattva, sold his flesh to make offerings,226 and another time, when he was a bodhisattvanamed the ascetic Aspiration for the Law, he used one of his bones as a pen [to write down the Buddha’s teaching].
T’ien-t’ai has said that “the method chosen should be that which accords with the time.” The propagation of the Buddhist teachings should follow the time. For what I have done, I have been condemned to exile, but it is a small suffering to undergo in this present life and not one worth lamenting. In future lives I will enjoy immense happiness, a thought that gives me great joy."

IF Chas is so into what Nichiren did NOT say, he and his corrupt SGI should take note that Nichiren NEVER referred to himself as a Buddha!

Yes, I, like Nichiren's true disciples have a statue of Shakyamuni that I honor in the same spirit as Nichiren taught. Wrong headed Chas cannot discern the prime points of Nichren's teachings, but rather than study the teachings of the foremost votary of the Lotus Sutra, Chas engages is petty discourse rife with personal slights and delights in mounting the confusion of the Buddha's teachings that is the legacy of his mentors and their followers and will join them all in the hell of incessant suffering.

~Katie

[Chas.]

On Tuesday, October 24, 2017 at 1:43:02 PM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:
> Chas cannot - or will not address the words of Nichiren on Shakyamuni Buddha.

I have addressed those: Nichiren Daishonin corresponds by letter with his correspondents. He speaks to them according to their understanding. When he speaks to Sairen-bō Nichijō, the Tendai monk he converted on Sado Island in the "Entity of the Mystic Law" Gosho, he states that the "actual name of the entity" is "Myoho-Renge." When he speaks to his untrained followers of the time, he refers to the Lord of Teachings Shakyamuni as the Buddha, since that is the handle most people of the time can grasp.

Also, Nichiren Daishonin never, ever admonishes them to worship statues of Shakyamuni as some kind of man-God, he admonishes his followers to chant to "the supreme object of devotion in all of Jambudvipa", the Gohonzon with Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo down the middle as the most prominent center of everything. Many Treasures Taho Buddha and Shakyamuni Buddha are to the right and left respectively (Taho is in the Treasure Tower first and read first as you read right to left) and their characters are similar in prominence to the Four Bodhisattvas (representing the Bodhisattvas of the Earth) up on the top row.

The Gohonzon refutes your strange Nichiren Shu doctrine, Katie Higgins.

It is Katie Higgins that cannot address the fact that the daimoku that comes out of her mouth also refutes her strange doctrine: she chants Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo, devoting herself to the teaching of "the actual name of the entity" or "Myoho-Renge" ... when her distorted mind is thinking Nam-Shakamuni-butsu.

This is the primal cause for her continuing rage against the Kosen Rufu movement and Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism.

-Chas.

[JazzIs TvRicky]

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[JazzIs TvRicky]

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[kelpzoidzl]

Priest Nikken and other priests had the wrong idea that disregarding USA members caught in the middle of a foreign schism would cause those members to switch over to the Hokkeko. Without any apparent knowledge of Zuiho Bini or an inch of wisdom, they overestimated their ability. Tearing down the Sho Hondo was monstrous.

Priesthood and Laymen have different functions and a country outside of Japan is not bound to Japan as a world center operated by Priests. Good priests knew this. You don't go to the Country of Autonomy and take away Autonomy.

Japan SGI and paid staff co-opted Mr. William's staff employees. Mr. Williams was pro USA---the opposite of Count Kudenhove Kalergi and Ikeda's agenda, involving breaches of other countries sovereignty and culture and forgetting a profound view about America's Buddhist mission. Keep your Japanese mission, in Japan!

SGI broke unity with Nichiren Shoshu and Nichiren Shoshu pretended they were Buddha-Cops, just like the Gakkai had become. Neither of them recognized they had no inherent authority over America ir Americans. No wisdom, depth or mercy from either side. Clashing animals, snarling dogs from both sides, just like the previous schism since the Daishonin passed away.

Will Nichinyo ever apologize to America for Nikken and other priests excesses? Will the SGI USA ever apologize to the Priesthood or the members and apologize to the Williams family?

Will the other sects apologize for their slander of others?

"A person has to pick themselves up from the same spot on which they fell."

[Katie Higgins]

Plenty of aberrant behavior on both sides of the SGI/NST battle for patrons /$$— Any sincere minded Buddhist would suspect errors in your doctrines/teachings — seeing through your petty ego battles .

Person-centered practice/faith and egocentric beliefs go hand in hand 😬

~ Katie

[Chas.]

We don't need another Yamazaki, David Cole +

On Sunday, September 17, 2017 at 7:51:47 PM UTC-7, kelpzoidzl wrote:
> - show quoted text -
> You are projecting your own betrayal and undermining of President Toda's mission for spreading the SGI around the world, that his true disciple Sensei is only simply implementing: the great intent of his great mentor.
>
> You are the betrayer. And yes, we don't need another slandering and conniving false intermediary lie Yamazaki, which your above the fray pretense is aimed at. You are NOT above the fray, and that is true of all disgusting betrayers like yourself, and your actions in the failed attempt to get Mr. Williams, just as he was near death, to denounce Sensei ... those actions speak MUCH, MUCH LOUDER THAN YOUR GREASY, SLIMY, DECEITFUL WORDS AND THE POSE YOU TRY TO PROJECT.
>
> -Chas. >>>>>>>
>
> Simultaneity of cause and effect is strict. Your condition of life is bad because of this. This same is true of the Gakkai today. You cannot communicate without robotic spamming.
>
> Nichiren was not a spammer.

Joining the wicked witch of the East Katie Higgins and her band of Flying Monkeys will not avail you of your desired position above the fray as a negotiator, superciliously contemptuous of the combatants.

You, David Cole, abandoned that possibility when you failed in your attempt to influence a dying George Williams denounce Sensei publicly, because your failure was also public. You went for it and lost the gamble.

You declared your allegiance with evil in that moment and although you will attain enlightenment in the future, like Devadatta, I figure it will be after you have spent vastly more time in Avichi Hell than he.

This is because betrayal in the Latter Day of the Law is a much more severe crime than it was in Shakyamuni's day, precisely because so much more is at stake and the difference between the erroneous and the true much more confusing.

I am not sure what you all gain from throwing your futures away for such a long, long time on this cosmic scale, but my theory is that because the Buddhas do nothing by accident, turning that super-galactic weight of evil karma into mission will at some point in the vast future be necessary.

Trying to stay positive about your future, I thank you for your service.

However, the position of traitorous negotiator is out of the question in this lifetime. That position is taken and we don't need another Yamazaki, David Cole.

-Chas.
____________________________________________________

[Chas.]

Katie Higgins and Mark Rogow Cannot Respond To This One Point +

On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 10:56:10 AM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:
> The problem is : you don’t know Nichiren’s doctrine or your own !!
>
> You are debating in a dark cave - ranting like a brainwashed hobo.
>
> There is a great need to focus on doctrine - the great deficit in the knowledge base of SGI/ NST members is stunning .
>
> ~ Katie

What about Katie Higgins, who can't even read the Lotus Sutra that refutes her inferences regarding Nichiren Daishonin's statements about Shakyamuni in the Gosho? Nichiren Daishonin is utterly and completely incapable of holding an opinion that is so easily refuted by the Lotus Sutra!

Shakyamuni literally CANNOT BE the one and only eternal Buddha, simply because he was the last of 16 to attain Buddhahood. In the remote past there were also others who preached thus, Shakyamuni's grandfather, his father the buddha Great Universal Wisdom Excellence and 15 brothers:

Quoting "The Parable of the Phantom City", LS-7, pp 156-157:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/7#para-35

,.. "Now, monks, the buddha Great Universal Wisdom Excellence
,.. passed ten small kalpas before the Law of the buddhas
,.. finally appeared before him and he attained supreme
,.. perfect enlightenment. Before this buddha left the
,.. householder's life, he had sixteen sons, the first of whom
,.. was named Wisdom Accumulated. These sons each had various
,.. kinds of rare objects and toys of one kind or another, but
,.. when they heard that their father had attained supreme
,.. perfect enlightenment, they all threw aside their rare
,.. objects and went to where the buddha was. Their mothers,
,.. weeping, followed after them.
,..
,.. "Their grandfather, who was a wheel-turning sage king,
,.. along with a hundred chief ministers, as well as a
,.. hundred, thousand, ten thousand, million of his subjects,
,.. all together surrounded the sons and followed them to the
,.. place of enlightenment, all wishing to draw close to the
,.. thus come one Great Universal Wisdom Excellence, to offer
,.. alms, pay honor, venerate, and praise him. When they
,.. arrived, they bowed before his feet, touching their heads
,.. to the ground.

Also, Shakyamuni and his fifteen brothers all preached in different Buddha lands roughly in parallel:

Quoting the Lotus Sutra, Chapter 7, "Parable of the Phantom City", pp.172-173:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/lsoc/Content/7#para-282

,.. “You monks, I will now tell you this. These disciples of
,.. the buddha, these sixteen shramaneras, have now all
,.. attained supreme perfect enlightenment. In the lands in the
,.. ten directions they are at present preaching the Law, with
,.. immeasurable hundreds, thousands, ten thousands, millions
,.. of bodhisattvas and voice-hearers for their retinues. Two
,.. of these shramaneras have become buddhas in the eastern
,.. region. One is named Akshobhya and lives in the Land of
,.. Joy. The other is named Sumeru Peak. Two are buddhas in the
,.. southeastern region, one named Lion Voice, the other named
,.. Lion Appearance. Two are buddhas in the southern region,
,.. one named Void-Dwelling, the other named Ever Extinguished.
,.. Two are buddhas in the southwestern region, one named
,.. Emperor Appearance, the other named Brahma Appearance. Two
,.. are buddhas in the western region, one named Amitayus, the
,.. other named Saving All from Worldly Suffering. Two are
,.. buddhas in the northwestern region, one named Tamala Leaf
,.. Sandalwood Fragrance Transcendental Power, the other named
,.. Sumeru Appearance. Two are buddhas in the northern region,
,.. one named Cloud Freedom, the other named Cloud Freedom
,.. King. Of the buddhas of the northeastern region, one is
,.. named Destroying All Worldly Fears. THE SIXTEENTH IS I,
,.. SHAKYAMUNI BUDDHA, WHO IN THIS SAHA LAND HAVE ATTAINED
,.. SUPREME PERFECT ENLIGHTENMENT.

And later he points out all the others that will preach the Lotus Sutra just like he did, including his cousin, Devadatta, who tried to murder him and replace him.

If I could so easily refute Nichiren Daishonin using the Lotus Sutra, he could never have won a single debate, or even finished a lecture on the Lotus Sutra without being refuted by his disciples.

Your distorted view of Buddhism literally cannot have been Nichiren Daishonin's view! It is IMPOSSIBLE!

Neither you nor Mark Rogow have ever responded to this point of agony in your twisted Nichiren Shu doctrine. Your distorted view of Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism of the Lotus Sutra is completely and idiotically wrong.

And using fallacious reasoning, like the ad hominem method of calling me a brainwashed hobo, simply is proof of your fallacy: since you cannot address my argument in any rational way, you irrationally challenge the person making the argument by name-calling. So transparently wrong!

-Chas.

[JazzIs TvRicky]

It amuses me that those who never gave their all by raising and developing others through taking on Faith Positions but merely have been those who only bitch and moan and pretend to have faith in Nichiren’s Teachings continually believe others take them seriously.

Fools have no shame nor awareness of their foolishness

[Katie Higgins]

For readers here who are diligently studying to sort out the inequities of SGI/NST hobo teachings!

http://markrogow.blogspot.com/2017/10/more-on-tendai-medieval-original.html#comment-form

The readers I KNOW will appreciate this essay as an adjunct to reading J. Stone's "Original Enlightenment and the Transformation of Medieval Japanese Buddhism"-- :-)

~Katie

[JazzIs TvRicky]

[Katie Higgins]

Speaking about yourself , no doubt - your favorite topic 😃

Sincere believers study 🙏🏼

~ Katie

[Chas.]

Katie Higgins, Your Nichiren Shu Practice Is Exactly Wrong +

On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 5:14:47 PM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:
> Here are some of Nichirdnd teachings from “Ricky’s library 📚 “
>
> “ Question: For persons who place their faith in the Lotus Sutra, what is the proper object of devotion, and what rules are to be followed in acts of worship and daily religious practice?
>
> Answer: First, with regard to the object of devotion, one should inscribe the eight volumes of the Lotus Sutra, or one volume, or one chapter, or simply the daimoku, or title, of the sutra, and make that the object of devotion, as is indicated in the “Teacher of the Law” and “Supernatural Powers” chapters of the sutra. And those persons who are able to do so further should write out the names of the Thus Come One Shakyamuniand the Buddha Many Treasures, or fashion images of them, and place these on the left and right of the Lotus Sutra. And if they are further able to do so, they should fashion images or write out the names of the Buddhas of the ten directions and the Bodhisattva Universal Worthy and the others.“
>
> Chas should tell us how his SGI “follows the Gosho”, — instead of just boasting that his mentor insists they do 🙀
>
> ~ Katie

This is the full quote from "On Reciting the Daimoku of the Lotus Sutra", WND II, p. 228:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-2/Content/186#para-82

... Question: For persons who place their faith in the Lotus
... Sutra, what is the proper object of devotion, and what
... rules are to be followed in acts of worship and daily
... religious practice?
...

The following paragraph describes the inscribing of Gohonzon, from a Gosho written in 1260, which is very early on, since Gohonzon did not start to be distributed to his followers until 1272-1273.

... Answer: First, with regard to the object of devotion, one
... should inscribe the eight volumes of the Lotus Sutra, or
... one volume, or one chapter, or simply the daimoku, or
... title, of the sutra, and make that the object of devotion,
... as is indicated in the “Teacher of the Law” and
... “Supernatural Powers” chapters of the sutra. And those
... persons who are able to do so further should write out the
... names of the Thus Come One Shakyamuni and the Buddha Many
... Treasures, or fashion images of them, and place these on
... the left and right of the Lotus Sutra. And if they are
... further able to do so, they should fashion images or write
... out the names of the Buddhas of the ten directions and the
... bodhisattva Universal Worthy and the others.
...

Next, Nichiren Daishonin describes how to practice physically in respect to the Gohonzon:

... As for the rules to be followed in worship, one should
... always either sit or stand when in the presence of the
... object of devotion. Once one leaves the place of worship,
... however, one is free to walk, stand still, sit, or lie down
... as one wishes.
...

Next, Nichiren Daishonin describes the primary practice of chanting daimoku and the supplementary practice of Gongyo, which Ricky hates: it's for "those persons who are able to do so", which I guess Ricky has some trouble with, although I might think the Daishonin was talking about people of low mental capacity, not simply lazy.

... As a daily religious practice, one should recite the
... daimoku, Nam-myoho-renge-kyo. Those persons who are able to
... do so should further recite a verse or a phrase of the
... Lotus Sutra. As a supplementary practice, if one wishes,
... one may offer praise for Shakyamuni Buddha, Many Treasures
... Buddha, or the Buddhas of the ten directions, for all the
... various bodhisattvas or the persons of the two vehicles,
... the heavenly beings, the dragon deities, or the eight kinds
... of nonhuman beings [who protect Buddhism]. Since we live in
... an age when there are many uninformed people, there is no
... need for believers to attempt at once to practice the
... meditation on the three thousand realms in a single moment
... of life, though if there are persons who wish to do so,
... they should learn how to practice this type of meditation
... and carry it out.

As a matter of fact, this describes exactly what I do twice a day every day in chanting daimoku for hours and hours, doing Gongyo and silent prayers. And I am not much different from any other SGI member.

During my prayers for the deceased, I also list the founders of the SGI, Nichikan and the three founders of the Fuji School, Nichiren Daishonin, Nikko Shonin and Nichimoku Shonin, and also Dengyo, T'ien-T'ai and Shakyamuni and all those who brought us the Lotus Sutra starting with Ananda. Showing gratitude and appreciation doesn't actually take long, once you starting doing it regularly.

So, yes, we in the SGI, do practice according to the Gosho. Exactly.

However, you and your evil puppet master priests of Nichiren Shu do not practice in Nichiren Daishonin's way.

Nichiren Daishonin DOES NOT STATE ANYWHERE that you should slavishly bow and chant to statues of a falsely deified Shakyamuni as a man-God, or Jehovah, or Jesus Christ, by worshiping statues erected in front of the Gohonzon, or on the altar in front, or worst, placed inside the butsudan as many temples and homes in the Nichiren Shu practice their distorted practice of Nichiren Daishonin's Buddhism.

Katie Higgins, your Nichiren Shu practice is exactly wrong.

-Chas.
___________________________________________________________

On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 5:36:32 PM UTC-7, Katie Higgins wrote:

[snip]

>
> More pertinent QUESTION: What is it about Chas that he assumes HE comprehends the Lotus sutra?
>

[snip]

In fact, neither I, nor any human that has ever or will ever live, can possibly fathom the depths of the Lotus Sutra.

There are passages in the Dharanis (Spells) chapter in languages that can only be understood by nonhuman entities who only physically exist in this world as characters on the Gohonzon, but are nonetheless potent forces in this world.

Those spells and every other character and phrase of the 69,384 characters of the 28 chapters of the Lotus Sutra and accompanying sutras are contained within the phrase Nam-Myoh-Renge-Kyo that I repeat incessantly.

I DON'T NEED to fathom the unfathomable, I simply enter and leave meditation on the heart of the Lotus Sutra every single time I chant Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo.

And even my simple mind can follow the narrative of the Shakyamuni Buddha, when he talks about other Buddhas doing exactly the same things he is doing in other parts of the universe, including his 15 older brothers, his father and grandfather, all of his disciples, the Dragon King's daughter and even his worst enemy, Devadatta.

Your deification of Shakyamuni as a false God Almighty has a serious conflict with that narrative in the Lotus Sutra, and Nichiren Daishinin would never countenance your interpretations of the Gosho inferring otherwise.

-Chas.

[JazzIs TvRicky]

Chas, firstly The is Gosho which is designated as a pre Sado Teaching says:

“As a daily religious practice, one should recite the daimoku, Nam-myoho-renge-kyo. Those persons who are able to do so should further recite a verse or a phrase of the Lotus Sutra.

As a supplementary practice, if one wishes, one may offer praise for Shakyamuni Buddha, Many Treasures Buddha, or the Buddhas of the ten directions, for all the various bodhisattvas or the persons of the two vehicles, the heavenly beings, the dragon deities, or the eight kinds of nonhuman beings [who protect Buddhism].

Since we live in an age when there are many uninformed people, there is no need for believers to attempt at once to practice the meditation on the three thousand realms in a single moment of life, though if there are persons who wish to do so, they should learn how to practice this type of meditation and carry it out.”

On Reciting the Daimoku of the Lotus Sutra

This is not in accord with Nichiren Daishonin’s Teachings during the Tatsunokuchi Persecution nor the Post Sado Teachings in fact Nichiren Teaches:

“As for my teachings, regard those before my exile to the province of Sado as equivalent to the Buddha’s pre-Lotus Sutra teachings. I had thought that, if the ruler of this country desired to govern well, he would summon the priests of the True Word school for an open debate with me, and that on that occasion I would reveal a matter of truly supreme importance.

Before my exile, I withheld this even from my disciples for fear that if I should tell them, even in confidence, they might inadvertently disclose it to the True Word priests, who would then avoid the debate. This is why I refrained from revealing it to each one of you as well.”

Letter to Misawa

And

“In volume nine of The Words and Phrases of the Lotus Sutra it is stated: “There is a danger that a beginner will be led astray by subordinate concerns, and that this will interfere with the primary practice.

The beginner should directly give all his attention to embracing this sutra; that is the highest type of offering. If one sets aside formal practices but maintains the principle, then the benefits will be many and far-reaching.”

In this passage of commentary, “subordinate concerns” refers to the five pāramitās. If the beginner tries to practice the five pāramitās at the same time that he embraces the Lotus Sutra, that may work to obstruct his primary practice, which is faith.

Such a person will be like a small ship that is loaded with wealth and treasure and sets out to cross the sea. Both the ship and the treasure will sink. And the words “should directly give all his attention to embracing this sutra” do not refer to the sutra as a whole.

They mean that one should embrace the daimoku, or title, of the sutra exclusively and not mix it with other passages. Even recitation of the entire sutra is not permitted. How much less are the five pāramitās!”
On the Four Stages of Faith and the Five Stages of Practice

No where in Nichiren’s Post Sado Teachings dose he equate the Recitation of Shakyamuni’s Lotus Sutra with “Faith”!

As I have said in the Debate on Gongyo as Practiced by Nichiren Buddhism Sects” your affinity towards Shakyamuni’s Lotus Sutra is proof of your lack of Faith in The Gohonzon of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo!

The Guilt Teachings of Gongyo as Practiced by Nichiren Buddhism Sects is evident in your insistence of going against Nichiren’s Teachings and promoting the sell of Gongyo Books which your SGI-USA CULT changes often and regularly!

Nichiren Teaches:

“Those who are knowledgeable may practice both sutra recitation and meditation. Those uninformed may simply chant the daimoku, for in doing so they will be abiding by the principle of the sutra.

This Myoho-renge-kyo is a term designating the essential nature of our minds, or, more generally speaking, the essential nature of the minds of all living beings, the eight-petaled white lotus blossom. The words of the Buddha himself teach us this.

From time without beginning until the present, these bodies of ours have transmigrated through the realm of birth and death, in a state of delusion as to the essential nature of the mind that is within these bodies.

But now that we have encountered the Lotus Sutra and chant the daimoku that represents the Thus Come One of original enlightenment, who possesses the three bodies in a single body, the Thus Come One becomes manifest. In our present existence we achieve the inner realization and attainment of Buddhahood that is known as the attainment of Buddhahood in our present form.”
The Doctrine of Three Thousand Realms in a Single Moment of Life


You are a deceptive and devious Slanderer if Nichiren’s Teachings Chas

Sincerely Richard H Brown A Teacher 👨‍🏫 of The Law

[Chas.]

It Is Ricky Who Is The Fraud +

As pre-Sado Island teachings go, it is illustrative of the practice Nichiren Daishonin continued to his death (recitation of part of the Hoben chanpter and the Jigage verse section of the Juryo chapter), so I am getting it right and conversely it is you, Ricky who are the fraud.

To make it absolutely clear once more, Ricky, your treason towards Nichiren Daishonin, by promoting the download of internet pirated Gohonzon printouts, using images of Gohonzon stolen by the traitorous priests who betrayed the Daishonin after his death by turning his Buddhism into a statue worshiping cult forcing Shakyamuni into the role of god almighty ... that treason of yours is not cloaked in the slightest by wrapping yourself in Gosho quotes taken from the website of the SGI you hate. Making up new Buddhism is pretending that you are Nichiren Daishonin without the scholarship he practiced from his early youth. That cannot be repeated, because a lot of what he read in those temple libraries is gone, burned during the Islamic conquest of India, Mao's destruction of the temples in China and Nobunaga and Hideyoshi's destruction of the temples, like Enryakuji, in Japan. You are not Nichiren Daishonin and no one can ever be like him again.

-Chas.

[Chas.]

Ricky Is The Laziest Babbling Commentator On Nichiren Buddhism, EVER! +

On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 12:45:52 PM UTC-7, JazzIs TvRicky wrote:

[snip]

> No where in Nichiren’s Post Sado Teachings dose he equate the Recitation of Shakyamuni’s Lotus Sutra with “Faith”!
>
> As I have said in the Debate on Gongyo as Practiced by Nichiren Buddhism Sects” your affinity towards Shakyamuni’s Lotus Sutra is proof of your lack of Faith in The Gohonzon of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo!
>
> The Guilt Teachings of Gongyo as Practiced by Nichiren Buddhism Sects is evident in your insistence of going against Nichiren’s Teachings and promoting the sell of Gongyo Books which your SGI-USA CULT changes often and regularly!
>

[snip]

>
> You are a deceptive and devious Slanderer if Nichiren’s Teachings Chas
>
> Sincerely Richard H Brown A Teacher 👨‍🏫 of The Law

As pre-Sado Island teachings go, it is illustrative of the practice Nichiren Daishonin continued to his death (recitation of part of the Hoben chanpter and the Jigage verse section of the Juryo chapter), so I am getting it right and conversely it is you, Ricky who are the fraud.

Here are the Gosho passages refuting your ignorant rantings. In all of these post-Sado writings Nichiren Daishonin discusses doing gongyo as a filial act in appreciation of the Lotus Sutra and Shakyamuni Buddha who preached it (as the supplementary and not as the primary practice):

In 1275, "Reply to the Lay Priest Soya", WND I, p. 486:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/58#para-0

In 1275, "Letter to Hōren", WND I, p. 513, again on p. 516, again on p. 517, and finally on p. 518:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/62#para-74
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/62#para-95
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/62#para-104
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/62#para-105

In 1275, "New Year’s Greeting", WND II, p. 530:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-2/Content/243#para-1

In 1276, "The Fourteen Slanders", WND I, p. 756:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/92#para-4

In his 1276 autobiography of the Sado history, "The Actions of the Votary of the Lotus Sutra", WND I, p. 768:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/93#para-25

In 1280, "On Filial and Unfilial Conduct", WND I p. 1033:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/146#para-0

In 1280, "White Horses and White Swans", WND I, p. 1066 second paragraph, and again on the same page, fourth paragraph:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/152#para-1
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/152#para-3

Fianlly, at the end of 1280 and less than two years before his death, "Reply to the Mother of Ueno", WND I, p. 1072:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/154#para-0

The fact that you have made destroying Nichiren Daishonin's practice of Gongyo your cause celebre and that second fact that Nichiren Daishonin's own writings utterly refute you over and over, exposes that fact that YOU, RICKY, ARE UNIQUE AS THE SINGLE LAZIEST BABBLING COMMENTATOR ON THE SUBJECT OF NICHIREN DAISHONIN'S PRACTICE OF THE BUDDHISM OF THE LOTUS SUTRA, EVER!

-Chas.

[JazzIs TvRicky]

For funeral and memorial services

[JazzIs TvRicky]

Here he discouraged Recitation of Shakyamuni’s Lotus Sutra!

On the FourStages of Faith and the Five Stages of Practice

Nichiren Teaches

“Nevertheless, I will comply with your wishes and cite some passages. In the ninth volume of the Hokke Mongu we read: "There is a danger that a beginner will be led astray by subordinate concerns, and that this will interfere with the primary practice. The beginner should directly give all his attention to embracing the sutra; that is the highest type of offering. Though one may set aside formal practices, if one maintains [meditation on] the principle, then the benefits will be many and far-reaching."

In this passage of commentary, "subordinate concerns" refers to the five paramitas. If the beginner tries to practice the five paramitas at the same time [that he embraces the Lotus Sutra], that may work to obstruct his primary practice, which is faith. Such a person will be like a small ship that is loaded with wealth and treasure and sets out to cross the sea. Both the ship and the treasure will sink. And the words "should directly give all his attention to embracing the sutra" do not refer to the sutra as a whole. They mean that one should embrace the daimoku, or title, of the sutra exclusively and not mix it with other passages. Even recitation of the entire sutra is not permitted.”
Nichiren

study of Nichiren’s Teachings are pitiful and shameful for you have used this Gosho in your own demented post and acted as though you have mastered it!

Caught again! Hatie😳

You lack of faith and fake Gosho Readings tell us how inept your comprehension of Nichiren’s Teachings are.

Go get some education and Chant Nam Myoho Renge Kyo to keep up with beginners in practice!

I am really amazed at your stupidity! Chas and Katie

[Katie Higgins]

YES! By all means give yourself completely to EMBRACING THE SUTRA , Hicky !

Believe and accept the Buddha’s golden words with FAITH — which means reading the Lotus Sutra , where you will eventually encounter
Passages re: reciting nd upholding the Sutra -/ and since you claim to study Nichiren’s writings , it should become clear tp you that Nichitens recommendations re: reciting portions of the Lotus Sutra daily are grounded in the SUTRA YOU ARE EMBRACING !

Can’t wait to hear how eagerly you embrace the third chapter of the Lotus Sutra, “ Simile and Parable “ where you will find this gem :

“ But now this threefold world is all my domain, and the living beings in it are all my children. Now this place is beset by many pains and trials. I am the only person who can rescue and protect others.”

~Katie

[JazzIs TvRicky]

Katie you are an addict I f fools shyness and pain! Cause and effect is strict! Like Lai you will learn this valuable lesson

[Chas.]

Deflecting won't work. Your position on Gongyo is an affront to anyone who actually bothers to read the Gosho, everyone now knows this:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/4bHXAXgoy2I/kp9V18iOAgAJ

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

Who’s “lai”?

Someone else who embraces the Lotus Sutra? How wonderful !!

~ Katie

[Chas.]

You are both misspelling Iain [uppercase I (EYE)] Dewar's name. It is not Lain [uppercase L (EL)]. He said his full name at different times in posting. Get it straight, would you?

-Chas.

[JazzIs TvRicky]

DAVE your presentations are more than welcome for instance: Nichiren The Buddhist Prophet is a most enlightening work so much valuable information and truly a work capturing Nichiren Daishonin’s Spirit of Faith!

Thank you for taking the time to share and inform those of us who are not intimidated by those who have valuable contributions to the Spread of Nichiren Daishonin’s Teachings

Sincerely Richard

[Chas.]

Ricky, your attempts to deflect won't work. Your position on Gongyo is an affront to anyone who actually bothers to read the Gosho, everyone now knows this:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/4bHXAXgoy2I/kp9V18iOAgAJ

Let's see if you can respond intelligently this time.

-Chas.

[JazzIs TvRicky]

My position on Gongyo is Nichiren’s Teachings not mine your ignorance of Nichiren’s Teachings are not my fault Chas your lack of capacity in Study is grounded in prejudice and habit!

Gongyo is your Gohonzon not The Gohonzon of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo! Which you and Your Soka Cult now deny as necessary in the practice of Nichiren Daishonin’s Buddhism! How pitiful

Have a fit 😮

[Chas.]

On Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 9:27:56 AM UTC-7, JazzIs TvRicky wrote:
> My position on Gongyo is Nichiren’s Teachings not mine your ignorance of Nichiren’s Teachings are not my fault Chas your lack of capacity in Study is grounded in prejudice and habit!
>
> Gongyo is your Gohonzon not The Gohonzon of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo! Which you and Your Soka Cult now deny as necessary in the practice of Nichiren Daishonin’s Buddhism! How pitiful
>

Actually, as I have demonstrated in detail above:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/4bHXAXgoy2I/kp9V18iOAgAJ

Your position on Gongyo REQUIRES THAT YOU COMPLETELY IGNORE NICHIREN DAISHONIN"S TEACHINGS.

Your foolishness based solely upon your blatant and blind, willful ignorance is your trademark, Ricky.

-Chas.

[JazzIs TvRicky]

DAVE has you pinned and perfectly exposed Chas👍

Keep crying and worshipping your Pimp Ikeda🐒

[Chas.]

Deflecting won't work. Your position on Gongyo is an affront to anyone who actually bothers to read the Gosho, everyone now knows this:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/4bHXAXgoy2I/kp9V18iOAgAJ

To make it perfectly clear anon, Ricky, your treason towards Nichiren Daishonin, by promoting the download of internet pirated Gohonzon printouts, using images of Gohonzon stolen by the traitorous priests who betrayed the Daishonin after his death by turning his Buddhism into a statue worshiping cult forcing Shakyamuni into the role of god almighty ... that treason of yours is not cloaked in the slightest by wrapping yourself in Gosho quotes taken from the website of the SGI you hate. Making up new Buddhism is pretending that you are Nichiren Daishonin without the scholarship he practiced from his early youth. That cannot be repeated, because a lot of what he read in those temple libraries is gone, burned during the Islamic conquest of India, Mao's destruction of the temples in China and Nobunaga and Hideyoshi's destruction of the temples, like Enryakuji, in Japan. You are not Nichiren Daishonin and no one can ever be like him again.

[JazzIs TvRicky]

Thank you DAVE for all your value creating offerings! Nichiren The Buddhist Prophet is fascinating and really a work of excellence.

[Chas.]

Yet more foolish deflection won't work. Your position on Gongyo is an affront to anyone who actually bothers to read the Gosho, everyone now knows this:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/4bHXAXgoy2I/kp9V18iOAgAJ

Once again and to make it perfectly clear, Ricky, your treason towards Nichiren Daishonin, by promoting the download of internet pirated Gohonzon printouts, using images of Gohonzon stolen by the traitorous priests who betrayed the Daishonin after his death by turning his Buddhism into a statue worshiping cult forcing Shakyamuni into the role of god almighty ... that treason of yours is not cloaked in the slightest by wrapping yourself in Gosho quotes taken from the website of the SGI you hate. Making up new Buddhism is pretending that you are Nichiren Daishonin without the scholarship he practiced from his early youth. That cannot be repeated, because a lot of what he read in those temple libraries is gone, burned during the Islamic conquest of India, Mao's destruction of the temples in China and Nobunaga and Hideyoshi's destruction of the temples, like Enryakuji, in Japan. You are not Nichiren Daishonin and no one can ever be like him again.
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We'll see if you can respond intelligently this time.

-Chas.

[Katie Higgins]

On two different forums this commenter, "iainx or lain" did not disclose his full name. you are a liar Chas--"no last name"--

There is more than a hint of hatred in your discourse here-- having been defeated at least three times in debate with "lain" who claimed you were pivotal in his decision to leave SGI must surely have left you holding this grudge-- Have you committed all 14 slanders, yet?

~Katie