The Buddha who came from the Sea

[kelpzoidzl]

Please read THIS post first to understand where it is heading BEFORE following the links.

Please read this posting I did on my old website from the wayback machine. This is the text that came with a video I had made. Then the link to the video, "The Mystery of the Saddharma Pundarika."

http://web.archive.org/web/20140102183915/http://www.saddharmapundarika.com/?p=1196

Since the way back machine breaks the links to the youtube videos here is the link to the Video i made 4 years ago, "The Mystery of the Saddharma Pundarika."

https://youtu.be/et1ymzVDWsY

Also on my old website I had posted a translation of a writing of Nikko back in 2013. I had also posted this on arbn in 2015 and had not been on arbn for some time. I see it has been reposted by Richard a number of times. Various comments about this not being an authentic writing of Nikko are incorrect. How I know this I will explain later.

This translation was worked out by myself and a Japanese friend.

"Gohonzon Shichi Ka So-Jo” Written by Nikko Shonin he asked Nichiren questions and Nikko records Nichiren's answer.
A rough, literal, translation.
①明星直見の本尊の事如何、師曰く末代の凡夫・幼稚の為に何者を以つて本尊とす可きと・虚空蔵菩薩に御祈請ありし時 "What is the meaning of 'The Gohonzon when seen in the evening star'?" Our master (Nichiren) says: "I was praying and vowing in front of Bodhisattva Kokuzo (Akasagarbha) to discern clearly what is the true object of devotion for us ignorant beings of mortal flesh"
②古僧示して言はく、汝等が身を以って本尊と為す可し・明星の池を見給えとの玉えば、即ち彼の池を見るに不思議なり日蓮 "at the time, a very talented and well-versed senior monk came and said to me, 'You should establish the object of devotion of the mortal flesh of yourself! Look at the surface of that pond reflecting under the evening star out there!' And I saw the pond that was very mystic!"
③が影・今の大曼荼羅なり云云、此の事を俊範法印に御物語りありしを法印讃歎して言く善哉云云・釈迦古僧に値い奉つて塔中に直受せるなり貴し貴しと讃め被れたり、日興は浪の上にゆられて見え給ひつる処の本尊の御形なりしをば能く能く似せ奉るなり、仍つて本尊書写の事・一向日興之を書写し奉る可き事勿論なるのみ。 "My shadow reflection (on the pond) was the Mandala of which I inscribe now! Right after that, I went and told another talented and well-versed senior monk named 'Shun' (or Toshi) about the stories of what I experienced at the pond, etc. He repeatedly said in a sincere manner: 'This is a good experience! This is a good experience for you! You've just met Sakyamuni and received the true object of devotion directly in the treasure tower!'"
I, Nikko, saw the shadow and the figure of my master, Nichiren, as the Honzon very clearly on the sea surface when I was on a small boat with him while the boat was rocking with the gentle motion of the waves on our way. Thus, I, Nikko, copy the Gohonzon of my master without even a little difference, which I believe it has to be so!"

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Besides the famous Pond scene early in Nichiren's life there is another legendary episode of Nichiren in a boat during a storm. In the old Japanese film about Nichiren and the Mongolian Invasion we see a scene of Nichiren in a boat where he traces out the image of the Gohonzon during a storm. I included scenes from that film on another Youtube video I had made 7 years ago:

https://youtu.be/XvSADtNmZoY

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In 2002 in response to the usual Shakyamuni vs Nichiren True Buddha arguments, pertaining to Nichiren's famous "Statue of Shakyamuni." This argument was often used to bolster the "Shakyamuni is the only Eternal Buddha argument." to dispute Nichiren Shoshu and previous Gakkai view.

I posted this:


>>>>I've not yet determined what to make of the fact that the Daishonin himself had an image of  Shakyamuni which he received as a gift, and that he kept with him all the time.<<<<<<<<<<

The Daishonin was rescued by  the fisherman, Yasaburo, when thrown out of the Boat at Izu Peninsula.  He was "the Buddha who came from the sea."

Shortly after, the Daishonin was given a statue of Shakyamuni, in
appreciation from a steward of the district,  The statue had been brought up by a fisherman, while using his nets.  The Daishonin saw the symbolism and wrote to Yasaburo and his wife:

"And as it turned out, the steward recovered. In gratitude he presented me with a statue of the Buddha which had appeared from the sea along with a catch of fish. He did so because his illness had finally ended, an illness which I am certain was inflicted by the ten demon daughters. The benefit of his recovery will pass on to you and your wife.

We, living beings, have dwelt in the sea of the sufferings of birth and death since time without beginning. But now that we have become votaries of the Lotus Sutra, we will without fail attain the Buddha’s entity which is as indestructible as a diamond, realizing that our bodies and minds that have existed since the beginningless past are inherently endowed with the eternally unchanging nature, and thus awakening to our mystic reality with
our mystic wisdom.

Then how can we be in any way different from the Buddha who appeared from
the sea?"

No wonder the Daishonin kept the statue.  He himself was the "Buddha who appeared from the sea" he saw the parallel deep in his own life and this was his inner enlightenment and conviction he kept as a secret from most people to prevent misunderstandings at a time in Japan, when Shakyamuni had been overshadowed in the popular culture by completely fictional Buddhas, Amida and Dainichi. First he had to guide people back to the idea of Buddha as actually a human mortal, so they could awaken to their own Buddhahood.

People who are "stuck on various points," or "attached to various points of the Law," according to their various inclinations, are prone to argue.

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Here is my little video "Nagarjuna Ninjas the Naga Realm (Seeking the Mahayana)
Nagarjuna was said to have the power of invisibility.

https://youtu.be/kHCIXQ8UNYY

The legend of Nargarjuna is related in a biography written by Kumarajiva.

It is said that Chih-I identified as a reincarnation of Nagarjuna.

And here is the story of Nagarjuna going into the undersea world where he is able to obtain the Sacred Jewel. Nichiren's quotations about "Heat-Free Lake" and information about this lake and the legends surrounding it.

http://web.archive.org/web/20140223162536/http://www.saddharmapundarika.com/?p=180

To be continued.......

[kelpzoidzl]

Absurb comment.

Obviously my mention of the statue kept by the Daishonin is about something other then statue worship. In terms of the gosho, when the Daishonin was asked about statues, he made it clear in his writingson the enligtenment of plants, a statue could be eye-opened if the Lotus Sutra was placed in front of it, but stressed the statue should include Shakyamuni and Taho and the 4 Bodhsattvas of the Earth and portray the Juryp chapter.

Placing a statue in front of and blocking the Gohonzon, in my view, would be improper. Statues on the sides and at a distance, from the Gonhonzon, such as the statue of Nichiren on one side and Nikko on the other as there was in the Dai Kyaku den at Taisekiji, was the protocol of Nichiren Shoshu, but used infrequently.

[Katie Higgins]

Can you provide the historical background for the writings you referenced ? When did they appear? Names of priests / authors ? Training and affiliations to kanto Tendai ?

J.Stone’s book is an excellent source if cultural and historical context - Her own work and citations of the work of other Buddhist scholars is crucial to understanding the infiltration of Tendai into Nichiren’s teachings .

~ Katie

[JazzIs TvRicky]

Thank you for bringing forth new and exciting resources my friend.

Been busy but looking forward to studying your offerings

[kelpzoidzl]

Be more specific as to which writings you are referring to, that I have mentioned you are referring to.

I will incorporate my answers in a continuation of the initial post on this thread.

I will say now that intellectual grasp is not the way. That only leads to mistaken ideas in those bereft of actual experience.

[Noel]

Hope this puts Chas's statue phobia to rest

[Noel]

Good read, as you have said: "A being in the lifestates of learning and self-realization, can also fall back down and regress." and "By enduring the suffering a being can erase the evil propensities and gain the higher lifestates and eventually can harvest the benefit of the stage of non-retrogression, where they will no longer fall back even amidst a hellish environment."

The eternity of and individual karmic thread would mean that those who have cultivated their dominant life condition as a Bodhisattva or a Buddha that appears to be the stage of non-retrogression, would never again for all eternity fall back from this exalted stage of non-retrogression.Is this your conclusion or is the future still in the making?



http://web.archive.org/web/20140102183915/http://www.saddharmapundarika.com/?p=1196

I really do try to say things in plain English, even when using old sanskrit terms. For instance, the term “Life-state,” in my 2 longer posts is a more modern way of explaining the six kinds of moment by moment phenomena from hell to heaven (hell, hunger, animality, anger, human and heaven) as well as the higher life states of Learning (arhat) absorptive self-awareness, (pratyekabuddha) The state of mercy (bodhisattva) and the state of Enlightenment (Buddha).

The Sanskrit behind this is naturally more difficult to understand than simple English to an English speaker and in fact, even in a country that is not far removed linguistically from Sanskrit, the teachings are “difficult to believe and difficult to practice.”

Each state, contains each of the other nine, by degree, depending on a being’s propensities and sequences of cause and effect (karma). Beings make causes with the mouth, the body and the mind and it is like water flowing downhill and eroding a deeper and deeper rut in the same direction.

The repetition of lower lifestates without a beings effort to awaken just deepens the rut. The lowest hell in Buddhism was called “The hell of incessant suffering,” because it just spirals into more suffering. The highest pinnacle of heaven is no escape in the long run.

Eventually, a being in heaven, use to enjoyment, can also return to lower lifestates. For instance, the Lucifer story or the fallen angels. A being in the lifestates of learning and self-realization, can also fall back down and regress.

At a time like we have in this world of endurance (saha) now, all beings in the higher lifestates, in order to erase their own karmic impediments, must aim towards the goal of an enlightened world, regardless of how difficult a task that is.

Even giving up their life for the sake of removing suffering of all beings, is done, knowing that one is trading a evil body for the timeless body of a Buddha, in order to spread the Supreme Law to beings wallowing in delusion and suffering.

Knowledge of one’s Impending death itself can make a being seek enlightenment. That is what I mentioned before, the “expedient means of the Buddha”. That is why death and separation occur, leading to pain and suffering.

The first thing to deal with is suffering itself and death specifically. How one gives up their life is crucial.


just as the ten life states are within each other, so are all beings inside each other as well. People have ancient karmic bonds as do all the other creatures in the predominantly lower lifestates. The environment of each being reflects the lifestates individually. All beings, even a dust mite or mosquito, etc., also possess inherent enlightenment.

By enduring the suffering a being can erase the evil propensities and gain the higher lifestates and eventually can harvest the benefit of the stage of non-retrogression, where they will no longer fall back even amidst a hellish environment."

[Noel]

On Saturday, September 30, 2017 at 11:37:45 AM UTC+10, kelpzoidzl wrote:

Lucky for us that the Buddhist Hells are not like the Christian Hell where you would have to spend all eternity if you stuff up. Isn't Buddhism infinitely compassionate for giving all of us such Hope (including Bodhistavas and Buddhas that are not beyond non-retrogression as far as eternity goes) for whenever we happen to drop into Hell on this endless journey throughout the 3 existences and 10 directions

[Noel]

On Saturday, October 7, 2017 at 1:51:27 AM UTC+10, Chas. wrote:

> And of course you can encounter this practice in hell and attain enlightenment immediately. That does not remove you from your karmic surroundings, but it does bring great joy to them.
>
> -Chas.

This is why Buddhahood in this moment as in the mutual possession of the 10 worlds in the teaching of ichinen sanzen that is the heart of the Lotus Sutra is an unparalleled blessing

[Katie Higgins]

Starting with the “Pond Scene —early in Nichiren’s life”— just wondering if you happen to know the history of that @teaching ?

The chapter “Nichiren and his Successors “ in J.Stone’s book - is the best in depth historical account of the infiltration of kanto Tendai into Nichiren’s teachings -these Tendai corruptions form the doctrines that are in dispute :The Three Treasures and the daimoku preceding and superior to the Lotus Sutra.

I am proposing a discussion of a scholarly work on the crucial matter of the doctrines you actually inherited from Shoshu- which would be premised on your having studied the writings that provide the historical context for this debate . Can you refute this? Or will you merely join the chorus and launch personal attacks on your opponents ?

~ Katie

[kelpzoidzl]

@Katie, Jackie is a beginner. She has no underlying experience to gauge her studies, when Nikken came to America, myself, C Roman p, and Jackie met in a hotel room near the Temple off Sunset. I was curious to see what Jackie knew about Nichiren's Buddhist experiences and if she had run across any writng pertaining to them and she had no idea. It was a foreign topic to her. She is strictly a reader. She read Tamara Yomuiri. She fell forbit. Thats all.

[kelpzoidzl]

On 23 Jul 2001 22:06:03 GMT, marc...@aol.com (MarcInMD) wrote:
>
>
>What she knows doesnt have to have anything at all to do with the depths of
>Buddhism. All she needs to know is that Nikko wasnt Nichiren's sole heir.
yeah, well she's biased, irrelevent and I don't give a rats arse about her
dumb
opinion<<<<<<<


I kind of thought she was cute. Those little blushing cheeks, those thick
eyeglasses, that goofy little laugh when she exhaled. (pot) The clothes she wears
a week at a time. Her obsession with erasing her obession with erasing her
obession with erasing her obession
with erasing her obession ....etc.

That hairbrained look of mild befuddlement when asked if she had ever seen
the opening to the doors to eternity.

dc

my comments are Copyright ©
David Cole 2001
I am advocating broad study and thinking and open mindedness----not anarchy,
illegality or imprudent behaviors. Some of this may be considered satire.

[Katie Higgins]

On Saturday, October 7, 2017 at 1:11:55 AM UTC-4, kelpzoidzl wrote:
> @Katie, Jackie is a beginner. She has no underlying experience to gauge her studies, when Nikken came to America, myself, C Roman p, and Jackie met in a hotel room near the Temple off Sunset. I was curious to see what Jackie knew about Nichiren's Buddhist experiences and if she had run across any writng pertaining to them and she had no idea. It was a foreign topic to her. She is strictly a reader. She read Tamara Yomuiri. She fell forbit. Thats all.

Readers should investigate J. Stone's web site: https://jstone.mycpanel2.princeton.edu

Typical personal attack --

And then there's Dave's history---- known to some people who don't bother engaging him anymore !

~Katie

[kelpzoidzl]

@katie, you don't know me at all. You also do not know real Buddhism. It's all up in your head, based on the writings of Japanese non-buddhists, with various axes to grind, rewritten by people who base everything on a fictional, self-important academia.

It's like analyzing soap bubbles to avoid washng your body and counting ganges sands.

It's futile to try to understand Buddhism with nijo life states.

Don't you understand what the Sutra states?

"..cannot be understood by scholars no matter how hard they try."

Yet you call Kanjin "bunk" like a silly person, even though the Daishonin named a most important writing Kanjn no Honzon Sho and taught almost entirely from a Kanjn view. Use faith, not dogma head trips and shallow understanding.

If you only knew..... You need to surrender and get off your ego-tower, it's ridiculous and totally out of whack.

In the meantime Mark wastes his time atracking an organization that barely exists anymore, its NOT Eagle Peak, it's a tragedy. Just like Chas, he imagines he's talking to a large audience. Anyone not delusional knows there are only a few people reading here or on Marks blog. It's like a Nichiren Derangement Syndrome to think otherwise. Anyone with any grasp of things knows internet traffic on obscure blogs like that is 99.98% Bots, skimming for addresses. It's really stupid when Mark boasts about bot numbers. And embarrassing. Don't you get it? Nobody cares. Buddhism lost it's power in terms of a social movement again. Idiots killed it. Disunity killed it. Stupid gang turf dogma queens killed it and now are kicking the corpse. Every spam post and bit of arguing is kickng the corpse and spitting on Nichiren and his prayers that "my disciples should be the last to abuse each other?"

No one seems to understand that it does not matter what hair splitting dogma people have in their mind, or believe, only practice with faith is important. It DOES matter when fools disputed the prevailing Nichiren Shoshu Sokagakkai dogma when unity was strong. That was tearing down Nichiren himself.

It's so foolish that people arguing about "inauthentic goshos," but claim or think Gautama Buddha taught the text of the Lotus Sutra, and refuse the idea that Nichiren was a True Buddha. This is utterly crazy, but such arguments became the dogma excuse for gang turf battles and schisms, that tore down Nichiren as though they threw a lasso over his head and pulled him down, all the while pretending to believe his teachings.

The gakkai today is minuscule in the west and lifeless now. In Japan, the Gakkai is nothing anymore....and sad to say, no one cares about it except politicians trying to get votes and leaders on the payroll and those in Japan trying to get the gakkai or any disunity between Nichiren secsbout ofbtheur haur. Those 4 million who still practice and those 7-8 million in the Komeito voting block, have nothing to do with arguments about Buddhist dogma between Nichiren sects.

It's endless slander. It's delusional to think telling people to quit the Sokagakkai, or Nichiren Shoshu to be "independent," is a good thing. All that is accomplished is leading others, NOT CAPABLE OF BEING INDEPENDENT, to discard their practice. Just chanting and praying the mystic law is far greater then any dogma or pretentious stupudity.

Arbn is ridiculous. Chas spams and you argue back with meaningless chatter. Chas is the tree that fall in the forest and you are the one person that hears it. Great accomplishment. Sad to say,working around Chas and you, makes this board useless. Mark should wake up, but he is dense about it and creating a monster like you is stupid. I don't blame him, he was in a hypersuggestible state and influenced by Bruce Maltz, who will suffer the most.

The importance of NSA, far exceeded the importance of the Japanese gakkai, in terms of feasibility of widespread propagation, but that potential went back into dormancy.

One must pick themselves up from the same spot they fell.

Years ago the worst spammer on arbn was CB. It was pathetic. He spoofed various posters, stealing their user names and filling the pages with hateful spam. He left and Chas took over, but soon, anyone serious about discussion had left this "discussion group." You are becoming a twin.

The real library of Buddhism is the alaya consciousness, but those who have not fulfilled their vows, arrogantly theorize about the 9th consciousness.

[Katie Higgins]

Dave's perception of the author of a book that demonstrates irrefutably that DAVE is not practicing Nihiren's teachings !!

>>"I kind of thought she was cute. Those little blushing cheeks, those thick
eyeglasses, that goofy little laugh when she exhaled. (pot) The clothes she wears
a week at a time. Her obsession with erasing her obession with erasing her
obession with erasing her obession
with erasing her obession ....etc.

That hairbrained look of mild befuddlement when asked if she had ever seen
the opening to the doors to eternity.<<"

The history of the infiltration of kanto Tendai , the teachings Dave's doctrines are based upon is not solely the area of interest of one, J. Stone-- though perhaps Dave would think all of the authors who have written about this matter are "cute." !!

~Katie

[Katie Higgins]

Actually Dave, your perceptions of me are way off . I began my practice challenging what turned out to be the doctrines of the NSA based on Shoshu /Tendai - my challenging was very simplistic -I read all seven translated volumes of the Gosho they published - I believed Nichiren. Shakyamuni is the Eternal Buddha/ believing , upholding and protecting the Lotus Sutra- at any cost is the practice Nichiren taught 😊

So , you and your consorts claiming to be “True Buddha’s “ may be too far gone to comprehend that your doctrines are Tendai, not Nichirend - but the combination of sharing the true teachings and witnessing the arrogance of you “ original enlightenment “ junkies does help clarify the inequities noted -/ on the behavior of SGI:NST “ common mortal Buddha’s “ and its reflection in society -

Kanjin must be grounded in the Lotus Sutra - Nichiren says this plainly to Sairen-bo “ On Correct Contemplation” — yours is rooted in a Tendai influenced rendition based on the fourfold rise and fall- you view the daimoku as prior to the Lotys Sutra -.cslling it a stand alone teaching that “reveals inherent Buddha” in all living beings -

I think you cannot see this blatant error because you practice this “ self infatuated “ garbage -

Oh well -/ academia is s neutral source of info got those whose minds are not as damaged as yours 😬

~Katie

[kelpzoidzl]

Pure ego and incongruity Katie. Buddhism is not words or dogma. The Lotus Sutra is not what you think it is. The goshos you think are inauthentic are very real. Just chant Daimoku and stop your mind. It is your enemy.

[kelpzoidzl]

You would be arguing with Nichiren, Katie.

[Katie Higgins]

Nichiren’s Lotus Sutra Buddhism is grounded on scriptuture, the golden words of the Buddha and the writings of great teachers like T’ien-t’ai — scriptural , literal \ every character a golden Buddha - very profound — not at all like , “ dogma “- which more aptly describes your essays on consciousness snd your aversion to well credentialed Buddhist scholars who have shared the particulars with regard to the corruption of Nichiren’s teachings , I.e.; who , what and when - the infiltration of kanto Tendai into Nichiren’s teachings.

You’ve already shownyour egocentricism - and your sexist dismissal of Jackie Stone -/

Can you refute the history itself re:Nichirena self professed “ successors” ? Not interested in any more of your biases opininion /

~ Katie

[Mark Rogow]

Absolutely!!!

[Mark Rogow]

Like the amount of dirt on a fingernail, Dave? Lucky for you that we have bigger fish to fry than the insignificant nothing that is you. Had I any motivation whatsoever to engage you either in discussion or to discredit you, I would do a ten minute search of your vulgar irrational speech in this news group. Continue to slander either Nichiren, Katie, or I, however, and I may have no choice. Truly, you are not far behind John Ayres for mumbling the most slanderous psychotic speech ever uttered on this newsgroup. That is proof of your slander of Shakyamuni Buddha, the Lotus Sutra and Nichiren. Listening to you and your entheogen induced consciousness which you confuse for Amala consciousness, if nothing, is quite amusing.

[Noel]

Here is an example of your dogma Katie:

> Nichiren’s Lotus Sutra Buddhism is grounded on scripture, the golden words of the Buddha and the writings of great teachers like T’ien-t’ai — scriptural , literal \ every character a golden Buddha - very profound — not at all like , “ dogma “- which more aptly describes your essays on consciousness and your aversion to well-credentialed Buddhist scholars who have shared the particulars with regard to the corruption of Nichiren’s teachings , I.e.; who , what and when - the infiltration of kanto Tendai into Nichiren’s teachings.


Everyone here is dogmatic in that which one thinks is true


dogma

an official system of principles or tenets concerning faith, morals, behavior, etc., as of a church.
Synonyms: doctrine, teachings, set of beliefs, philosophy.

a specific tenet or doctrine authoritatively laid down, as by a church: the dogma of the Assumption;
the recently defined dogma of papal infallibility.
Synonyms: tenet, canon, law.

prescribed doctrine proclaimed as unquestionably true by a particular group:
the difficulty of resisting political dogma.

a settled or established opinion, belief, or principle:
the classic dogma of objectivity in scientific observation.
Synonyms: conviction, certainty.

Word story Expand

At the turn of the 17th century, dogma entered English from the Latin term meaning “philosophical tenet.” The Greek word from which it is borrowed means “that which one thinks is true,” and comes ultimately from the Greek dokeîn, which means “to seem good” or “think.”

The origin of the word dogma acts as a reminder to English speakers that now established principles and doctrines were once simply thoughts and opinions of ordinary people that gained popularity and eventually found their way into the universal consciousness of society.

Twentieth-century American academic and aphorist Mason Cooley concisely observed that “Under attack, sentiments harden into dogma,” suggesting that dogma is spawned as a defensive act. This idea implies that for every dogma that exists, there is a counter dogma. With so many “truths” out there, there is sure to be a dogma to conveniently fit every set of beliefs."

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/dogma

[Mark Rogow]

Nichiren uses the word "doctrine" [or "doctrines"] to mean dogmas. They are all infallible truth principles. What the various sects teach as doctrine may or may not be dogmas: Those doctrines which are universally true are dogmas of the Nichiren faith; those doctrines which are false are not dogmas of the Nichiren faith and must be discarded. There are more than 600 references to "doctrines" in the Writings of Nichiren Daishonin and more than 350 references to "doctrine". Read them for yourselves. Without doctrine there are no principles and no religion. There are important doctrines such as Namu Myoho renge kyo, Shakyamuni Buddha of the 16th Chapter of the Lotus Sutra, Gohonzon, and shoju versus shakubuku. Then there are minor doctrines such as flowers or evergreens, butsudan or no butsudan, how much to chant, what to chant (besides the Daimoku), etc. Only we embrace every doctrine of Nichiren without altering [adding or subtracting] so much as a dot.

Just chanting the Daimoku is a tremendous source of good fortune. How much more a correct faith in the Three Treasures and Three Great Secret Laws.

Mark

[kelpzoidzl]

@chas. You have no idea about what Mr. and Mrs. Williams said. Nor what went on. I did speak with them many times. I know the true story. I just listened I had no propaganda to impart. There are also numerous elderly friends of the Williams who know the story and various relatives. Threats on his medical insurance were beyond devilish. The SGIUSA ldrs and the Japan conspirators, will burn in hell.

Don't join them.

[kelpzoidzl]

@chas stay in denial, say whatever you like, but the truth is real. What would you do if you knew the truth? I held back on what I released tapes they agreed I could make, publicly, because of the threats they would stop paying their medical insurance. Destroyng the gakkai is never my intention, only busting the corrupted ldrs. there are sincere people but would quit practising if they understood the betrayals from, "Sensei."

In the mean you SPAM, twist and bury truth.

[kelpzoidzl]

@Mark Truth hurts Mark? Never have you been congruent in discussion. Ever.

[Katie Higgins]

On Sunday, October 8, 2017 at 5:33:13 PM UTC-4, kelpzoidzl wrote:
> @Mark Truth hurts Mark? Never have you been congruent in discussion. Ever.

Dave prefers the comfort of lies.

Here is guidance from Nichiren "on debate"--

"Reply to Yasaburo"

" I SUGGEST you begin the religious debate with these words:] “Although I am an ignorant layman, among the teachings I have heard, I was especially impressed by the passage in the second volume of the Lotus Sutra that reads, ‘Now this threefold world [is all my domain . . . ]’”1 This sutra passage means that this country of Japan is the domain of Shakyamuni Buddha. In addition to the fact that all the gods, such as the Sun Goddess, Great Bodhisattva Hachiman, and Emperor Jimmu, and all the people, from the ruler of the nation on down, dwell within his realm, he is the Buddha to whom we living beings are greatly indebted for three reasons. First, he is our sovereign; second, he is our teacher; and third, he is our father. Among all the Buddhas of the ten directions, only Shakyamuni Buddha is endowed with these three virtues. Therefore, even if all the people of the country of Japan were to serve Shakyamuni Buddha wholeheartedly just as they now do Amida Buddha, if they were to place him side by side with another Buddha and treat him in the same manner, that would still be a grave error. For example, though someone were our own ruler and wise besides, if we were to shift our allegiance to the ruler of another country—for instance, if, while dwelling in Japan, we were to pay honor to the king of China or Koryŏ and slight the sovereign of Japan—could we be called persons who honor the great sovereign of this country?"

Take note that Nichiren is instructing Yasaburo from the prime points of his teachings :The Lotus Sutra and Shakyamuni Buddha !!

This is the passage that resonates deeply with me when I encounter heretical slanderers on this forum:

" You should pray intently that Shakyamuni, Many Treasures, and the Buddhas of the ten directions will all gather and take possession of your body to assist you. If you happen to be summoned before the steward, you should first explain all this thoroughly.
With my deep respect,
Nichiren"

http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/100

Wrong headed Dave cannot discuss the True teachings -- much less participate in debate.

~Katie

[kelpzoidzl]

@katie, there is no debate with people stuck in Nijo.

[Katie Higgins]

On Sunday, October 8, 2017 at 10:19:09 PM UTC-4, kelpzoidzl wrote:
> @katie, there is no debate with people stuck in Nijo.

You cannot believe the Buddha's golden words. You cannot dispute Nichiren's own words. You are defeated and beyond deplorable in your abject arrogant posturing.

~Katie

[kelpzoidzl]

@katie Nijo people cannot understand the "Buddha's Golden Words." No matter how they parrot them. What really counts is practice and faith. You spend your time name calling anyone that doesn't agree with your interpretation of dogma, whether they recite the Daimoku or not.

Mark has gone from sect to sect, shopping for people to agree with him. Like a reverse Chas, he spams and parrots anti Gakkai, Anti-Nichiren Shoshu Anti-anyone, but his own mental, doctrinal interpretations. When Kempon Hokke blew up in his face now his gang turf is officially he, him and himself. What a waste.

Try having faith in the power of Daimoku. Assuming Chas chants, or assuming Mark chants or assuming members chant, then the problem of being misled by an organization is secondary.

What is completely ridiculous in Yours and Marks and Chas's nasty spam attitudes----even as doctrinal interpretation alone----brain damaged dichotomies---Grand Canyon sized---hollowed out, contradictions and illogical fantasies. With Chas it's the sad truth of his disconnect with the reality of TODAYS Gakkai coupled with incessant hatefilled SPAM and with you and Mark, it's the same SPAM, but with the most idiotic and pinheaded, concretized doctrinal fixations only. Not a clue that Nichiren or any other Buddha, might have more to them than platitudes and rigid dogma...

Or that BUDDHAS could be self awakened, due to the Mystic Law without parroting scripture, because they too are Eternal Buddhas. All Buddhas are equal.

Buddha Instinct is far more important then analyzing dogma. Interpretations is not practicing the Daimoku. Its actually blocking your practices.

The pathetic reality of the "Shakyamuni is the sole Eternal Buddha and Nichiren is only a Bodhisattva" nonsense, is that that reasoning would mean Nichiren could NEVER be better than he is, nor could anyone, not even with Daimoku. Only Shakyamuni-----this literary Shakyamuni---as written in a book----certainly not Gautama the historical Buddha---- but a character indicative of eternity of Buddhahood---a literary character--- is the GODMAN. Sorry but that is as dumb as todays Gakkai, Eternal Mentor fiction.

Buddhahood is inside and no where else. Practise to experience it.....break the SPAM habit.

Of what use would there be to practice in a fixed hierarchy of literalism? No one could ever be the Eternal Buddha...duh.

[kelpzoidzl]

The Juryo chapter reads: "The time is limitless and boundless -- a hundred, thousand, ten thousand, hundred thousand nayuta aeons -- since I in fact attained Buddhahood." Present within our lives is the Lord Shakyamuni who obtained the three enlightened properties of life before gohyaku-jintengo, the original Buddha since time without beginning. The Juryo chapter states: "Once I also practiced the bodhisattva austerities and the life which I then acquired has yet to be exhausted. My life will last yet twice as many aeons from now." He was speaking of the world of Bodhisattva within ourselves. The Bodhisattvas of the Earth are the followers of Lord Shakyamuni in our lives. They follow the Buddha just as T'ai-kung45 and Tan, the Duke of Chou served as ministers to King Wu of the Chou dynasty and later assisted his son,46 and successor, the infant King Ch'eng; or just as Takeshiuchi47 served Empress Jingu and later her grandson Crown Prince Nintoku as a highly valued minister. Bodhisattvas Jogyo, Muhengyo, Jyogyo and Anryugyo represent the world of Bodhisattva within our lives. The Great Teacher Miao-lo declares: "You should realize that our life and its environment are the entity of ichinen sanzen. When we attain Buddhahood, according to this principle, our life pervades the entire universe both physically and spiritually."

[kelpzoidzl]

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[Noel]

>Buddha Instinct is far more important than analyzing dogma.

Gaining faith in something can come through critical analysis and putting it to the test. Nichiren was always analyzing other faiths and came to his own conclusions through it

>What really counts is practice and faith

without analysis/study, how do we know what it is that we have our faith in and how to practice it

>Interpretations are not practicing the Daimoku. It's actually blocking your practices.

If one's interpretations of what the lotus sutra means is correct through understanding Nichiren's teachings how could this not be practicing Daimoku it's just not about mouthing the words like a parrot

Nichiren states, “Now, in the Latter Day of the Law, neither the Lotus Sutra nor the other sutras lead to enlightenment. Only Nam-myoho-renge-kyo can do so”


> Or that BUDDHAS could be self-awakened, due to the Mystic Law without parroting scripture, because they too are Eternal Buddhas. All Buddhas are equal.


“The true aspect of all phenomena can only be understood and shared between Buddhas.” In the phrase “consistency from beginning to end,” “beginning” indicates the root of evil and the root of good, and “end” indicates the outcome of evil and the outcome of good. One who is thoroughly awakened to the nature of good and evil from their roots to their branches and leaves is called a Buddha.

T’ien-t’ai stated, “Life at each moment is endowed with the Ten Worlds.” Chang-an stated, “The Buddha intended these as his ultimate teachings. How could they ever be easy to understand?”

Miao-lo added that “this principle is the ultimate revelation of his [T’ien-t’ai’s] final and supreme teaching.” The Lotus Sutra states, “[The doctrines that they preach . . .] will never be contrary to the true reality.”

T’ien-t’ai commented on this, saying that “no worldly affairs of life or work are ever contrary to the true reality.” A person of wisdom is not one who practices Buddhism apart from worldly affairs but, rather, one who thoroughly understands the principles by which the world is governed.

The Kalpa of Decrease

[Katie Higgins]

On Monday, October 9, 2017 at 3:13:02 AM UTC-4, kelpzoidzl wrote:
> @katie Nijo people cannot understand the "Buddha's Golden Words." No matter how they parrot them. What really counts is practice and faith. You spend your time name calling anyone that doesn't agree with your interpretation of dogma, whether they recite the Daimoku or not.

I suggest you refer to the Lotus sutra regarding your so-alled "understanding"

"Jo-ju jin jin mi zo u ho

It is difficult to understand the import of what He, having


Zui gi sho setsu

achieved the Most Profound, Unprecedented Dharma,


I-shu nan-ge

has preached following what is appropriate."

Nichiren embraced the Lotus Sutra as did Shakyamuni's original disciples :-- again referring to the Lotus Sutra:

"Ze-gi bo-satsu dai-shu

At this time the great assembly of the bodhisattvas


Mi-roku i shu

with Maitreya at their head


gas-sho byaku butsu gon

pressed their palms together and addressed the Buddha,


Se-son Yui gan ses-shi

"World Honored One. We only pray that You would preach


Ga-to to shin-ju Butsu go

them. We will receive with faith the words of the Buddha."


Nyo-ze sam-byaku i

Having thus addressed Him thrice, they


Bu gon Yui gan ses-shi

again said, "We only pray that You would preach them.


Ga-to to shin-juButsu go

We will receive with faith the words of the Buddha." (Hoben chapter-- recommended for daily recitation by Nichiren. Embraing, opting, upholding the literal Lotus sutra is Nichiren's teaching.
Dave's "wrong headed teaching :"
Or that BUDDHAS could be self awakened, due to the Mystic Law without parroting scripture, because they too are Eternal Buddhas. All Buddhas are equal. "--- You are parroting the "original enlightenment Tendai bunk, here, Dave.

What happens when one follows Nichiren's example of believing the Lotus Sutra, that is to say, taking this passage of the Lotus Sutra literally--


"Se-son Yui gan ses-shi

"World Honored One. We only pray that You would preach


Ga-to to shin-ju Butsu go

them. We will receive with faith the words of the Buddha."

What happens is that one does not question or try to understand, but believes every word Shakaymuni uttered-- ?

"ji ga toku butsu rai
Since I obtained Buddhahood the number

sho kyo sho kos-shu
of kalpas that have passed is immeasurable

mu-ryo hyaku sen man
hundreds of thousands of myriads of tens of

oku sai a-so-gi
millions of quintillians of asemkheyas. I have

jo sep-po kyo-ke
ever been preaching the Dharma, teaching and

mu-shu oku shu-jo
converting numberless tens of millions of beings,"

When one embraces the Lotus Sutra there is no doubt that Shakyamuni is the eternal Buddha-- there is no doubt that those claiming to be * common mortal Buddhas--EQUAL to ALL Buddha's are "arrogant false sages"--

You are wrong headed, Dave-- you swallowed the 'poison drugs" of the Shohsu/Gakkai-- it is a simple matter of your error and your inability to admit it.

People who are seeking the True teachings "do their homework"-- they study the multiple credible historical references of the Tender infiltration into Nichiren's teachings. You negligent, arrogant and insufferable!

~Katie

[kelpzoidzl]

@Noel When I say "Buddha Instinct" I am talkng about a degree of already developed faith and awakening. People gain and accumulate this by practise and experience. Analysis and Study is secondary.

Most young acolytes or just young men in Japan at the time of Nichiren, would participate in the early teen years initiation of praying and practicing to the Goddess of Bodhisattva Kokuzo. It was a usual thing in Buddhist families, yet how many of them "were presented with the precious jewel?" Or how many of them had profound Buddhist experience?

Nichiren indicates that he went into an altered state and had a visionary experience.at that time. He went from 0 to 60 almost immediatly....In the twinkling of an eye. As a very young priest he was able to practise Chih Kuan meditation and quickly recapitulated the Buddha Awakening and passing all others in the monestery, witnessed the true aspect of things and announced the receipt of the Wonderful Law and began to spread the three great secret laws for the rest of his life.

This recapitulation, was due to attaining Buddhahood in the infinite past.

Gautama Buddha too, went through an early stage of ignorance and then remembrance.

What I am saying is, Both Gautama and Nichiren, upon practising single pointed meditation, were able to stop their mind and witness the Buddha mind and Ichinen Sanzen. It was not study that led to these awakenings, it was long time practice and faith.

When a Buddha resolves to teach, they do have to "study" the vocabulary of the people in their land to teach (do shakubuku) The study is for others not themselves. Nichiren had a very crazy time to work with. Buddhahoid is not social or actual omniscience in an evil world. They do have to wrangle with the belief-system stupidity of the time they are born into and the arrogant people lacking the true meaning.

The "Bodhisattvas of the Earth" far surpassed in experience and training, the other Bodhisattvas in the Lotus Sutra and Nichiren said many times, just hearing the Sutra title in a lifetime, means that person HAS a mystic connection already.

[kelpzoidzl]

Those wrangling over the Lotus Sutra in a literal sense, should seal off that part of the nijo mind and sit and practice single-mindedly with full surrender to the mystic law. Then something remarkable will hapoen.


The mental wrangling, are what the sutra term OUTFLOWS means.

Nichiren taught that even with these outflows one can overcome them with strong practice and faith.

This is what counts.

[Katie Higgins]

Your story about Nichiren entering an “ altered state” is a plaigerized Tendai writing !!

You have absolutely nothing in Nichiren’s own words to support your bunk, Dave-/ just a patronizing, condescension toward the woman who has exposed the corruption you propagate-/ parroting Shoshu like a fool !

“ Buddha instinct “? Now I see why Mark finds your discourse amusing 😁

~ Katie

[kelpzoidzl]

@katie it's in the Gosho. You think Nichiren was just a bookworm and the practice he taught just arose from reading. Until you stop that mental chatter and slander, you will block your benefit from practice.

[kelpzoidzl]

None of the Sanskrit Mahayana Sutras are directly spoken by the historical Gautama Buddha of India but were written based on experiential revelation by a few great authors who had attained very real Buddhahood. The majority of the Mahayana Sutras were Chinese only.

From The Creed of Half Japan, by Arthur Lloyd, [1911], at sacred-texts.com

Footnote for page 299:3

Nichiren was, however, fully aware of the chronological difficulties connected with the acceptance of the Hokekyō as a genuine Sūtra actually preached by S’akyamuni himself

In a passage quoted in p. 300 "Seigōroku" (p. 645), (Gosho volume from 1907), after enumerating the early patriarchs of the Northern Buddhism, he adds that during their terms of office there is not to be found even the name of a single Mahāyāna Sūtra (sho-Daijo Kyo wa myoji mo nashi), and on the following page there is another passage in which he describes the astonishment and perplexity of the Hīnayāna doctors when As’vaghosha and Nāgārjuna began to propound their Mahāyāna doctrines. Nichiren's thought was that the Hokekyō, as a kind of Apocalypse, was far too advanced for the immediate disciples of S’akyamuni, and that for this reason it lay fallow for several centuries, gradually winning recognition for itself as the spiritual intelligence of the Buddhist

301:1 We must remember that Nichiren, in common with all northern Buddhists until quite recent times, placed S’akyamuni's birth B.C. 1027, and his death, consequently, about B.C. 947. The true date places the end of the first age in the first Christian century, and squares very well with what we know of the beginnings of Gnosticism, as well as of the Mahāyāna. Nichiren speaks of the pre-Mahāyāna Sūtras as ni zen ("before the rain"), an expression which somehow seems to be an echo, as it were, of phrases like "Pentecostal showers."
-----------------------

On the Gisho : 5 Guides for Propagation.

Excerpt

Question: The various True Word teachers give the following account: When eight hundred years had passed following the demise of the Buddha, Bodhisattva Nāgārjuna appeared in India. From Bodhisattva Ashvaghosha he received the Flower Garland, Lotus, and other sutras, which represent the exoteric teachings disseminated by Shakyamuni Buddha. In the case of the esoteric teachings expounded by the Buddha Mahāvairochana, Nāgārjuna opened an iron tower in southern India, and he received the esoteric teachings personally from the Thus Come One Mahāvairochana and Vajrasattva in oral transmission.

Bodhisattva Nāgārjuna had two disciples. To one of these, BodhisattvaĀryadeva, he transmitted the exoteric teachings of Shakyamuni, and to the other, Bodhisattva Nāgabodhi, he transmitted the esoteric teachings of Mahāvairochana. Bodhisattva Nāgabodhi went into retirement at the garden of mango trees and for a time did not transmit the teachings he had received to anyone. Meanwhile, the exoteric teachings that had been transmitted to Bodhisattva Āryadeva were introduced to China. Several years later, the esoteric teachings that had been transmitted to Bodhisattva Nāgabodhi were introduced to China by Shan-wu-wei, Chin-kang-chih, and Pu-k’ung.
What is your opinion regarding this assertion?


Answer: All the True Word teachers give this same account of the events. And the various representatives of the Tendai and Flower Garland doctrines accept it as trustworthy. But I am led to ask if we are to assume that the three sutras associated with Mahāvairochana Buddha did not exist in India prior to the time of Nāgārjuna? Did the Thus Come One Mahāvairochana perhaps appear in the world in addition to Shakyamuni Buddha and preach these three sutras? In what sutra or treatise can we find proof that the exoteric teachings were transmitted to Āryadeva and the esoteric teachings transmitted to Nāgabodhi?

As a matter of fact, these absurdly false assertions surpass the criminal fabrications put forth by Devadatta and outdo the wild lies told by Kokālika. And the fact that the ruling houses of both China and Japan have suffered eclipse and that Buddhist priests of both countries have taken to slandering the correct teaching is due mainly to the prevalence of such assertions. As a result of them, China has already been overthrown by the wild tribes to the north of it, and the borders of Japan are in danger of being invaded by barbarians from the west. But I will say no more of that here.

During the one thousand years of the Middle Day of the Law the Buddhist teachings of India were introduced to China. The first four hundred years of this period were marked by doctrinal differences among the various Buddhist leaders of northern and southern China that proliferated like spreading vines, so that nowhere was there any agreement as to what constituted the correct Buddhist teaching.

(To be continued)

[Katie Higgins]

Site your source from the Gosho - and be prepared for citations declaring Shakyamuni’s penetration of Nichiren’s mind/body -

You , who cannot grasp the daimoku as inclusive of the entire text of the Lotus Sutra - and have disregarded the Sutra ‘s clear declarations of Shakyamuni’s identity —even though (maybe?) you mouth the words everyday - IF. In fact you follow Nichiren’s recommendation -his choosing the chapters for very specific reasons !!

You discard both the Lotus Sutra and the Buddha- clinging to your made up egocentric fantasy of having attained what NO WAY could you even hope to attain as the incorrigible heretical slanderer you are .

~ Katie

[Katie Higgins]

Nichiren’s writings themselves are clear and in great number regarding praise for the Lotus Sutra and Shakyamuni-

Your source is no less full of arrogance than you are — what a disgrace you are constantly claiming to “know Nichiren” while dismissing the majority of his work - not knowing whether your “Gosho “ are authentic — basically ignorant of the origin of your doctrines !!

You are ridiculous- maybe not much improved from your days of obscene writings on sex while under the influence of illicit drugs — maybe worse !!

~ Katie

[kelpzoidzl]

@katie The source of what I say about these things comes from the real library of Buddhism.

It also cones from the Goshos of Nichiren. You were influenced by the Asai Yorin, Tamara Yomiuri non Buddhist scholars. Even Jackie refuted Yorin, why can't you?

The Real library of Buddhism is all catalogued in the Alaya consciousness. It comes from direct experience that shomon and engaku don't understand.

If you were in any way congruent in these arguments you hokf, you would ask about this, but since you don't and I've given you a nunber if opportunities, you lose the chance to ask.

Just practice and stop your mind with Daimoku.

[Katie Higgins]

If you do actually read authentic Goshos of Nichiren-- I think you should ponder this:

“ it seems to me that on the path to attaining Buddhahood it May invariably be when one has done something like lay down one’s life that one becomes a Buddha. I think that perhaps it is encountering such difficulties as have already been explained in the Sutra - being cursed, vilified, attacked with swords and staves , shards and rubble, and banished again and again— that is reading the Lotus Sutra with one’s life. My faith springs up all the more , and I am confident about my next existence.” ( “ Banishment to Sado “)

You are also wrong about the Buddhist scholars I read/study-- but that makes sense in the light of your numerous erroneous assumptions about Nichiren’s actual teachings.

>>"The Real library of Buddhism is all catalogued in the Alaya consciousness. It comes from direct experience that shomon and engaku don't understand. "<<

BUNK-- pure bunk, Dave-- NOT the Buddha's teaching -- :(

~Katie

[JazzIs TvRicky]

“Nichiren taught that even with these outflows one can overcome them with strong practice and faith.

This is what counts.”

Say on!

My man

Say on!

[JazzIs TvRicky]

Nichiren Teaches

“Since you press me for an answer, listen and then have firm faith in what you have heard. The passage is that in the “Life Span” chapter that reads: “I will leave this good medicine here. You should take it and not worry that it will not cure you.”

[kelpzoidzl]

"Let us suppose an analogous case, young men of good family. There is some physician, learned, intelligent, prudent, clever in allaying all sorts of diseases. That man has many sons, ten, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty, or a hundred. The physician once being abroad, all his children incur a disease from poison or venom. Overcome with the grievous pains caused by that poison or venom which burns them they lie rolling on the ground. Their father, the physician, comes home from his journey at the time when his sons are suffering from that poison or venom. Some of them have perverted notions, others have right notions, but all suffer the same pain. On seeing their father they cheerfully greet him and say: Hail, dear father, that thou art come back in safety and welfare! Now deliver us from our evil, be it poison or venom; let us live, dear father. And the physician, seeing his sons befallen with disease, overcome with pain and rolling on the ground, prepares a great remedy, having the required colour, smell, and taste, pounds it on a stone and gives it as a potion to his sons, with these words: Take this great remedy, my sons, which has the required colour, smell, and taste. For by taking this great remedy, my sons, you shall soon be rid of this poison or venom; you shall recover and be healthy. Those amongst the children of the physician that have right notions, after seeing the colour of the remedy, after smelling the smell and tasting the flavour, quickly take it, and in consequence of it are soon totally delivered from their disease. But the sons who have perverted notions cheerfully greet their father and say: Hail, dear father, that thou art come back in safety and welfare; do heal us. So they speak, but they do not take the remedy offered, and that because, owing to the perverseness of their notions, that remedy does not please them, in colour, smell, nor taste. Then the physician reflects thus: These sons of mine must have become perverted in their notions owing to this poison or venom, as they do not take the remedy nor hail me. Therefore will I by some able device induce these sons to take this remedy. Prompted by this desire he speaks to those sons as follows: I am old, young men of good family, decrepit, advanced in years, and my term of life is near at hand; but be not sorry, young men of good family, do not feel dejected; here have I prepared a great remedy for you; if you want it, you may take it.


Having thus admonished them, he skillfully betakes himself to another part of the country and lets his sick sons know that he has departed life.

http://www.davidhill.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/gustave_dore_bibel_the_resurrection.jpg

They are extremely sorry and bewail him extremely: So then he is dead, our father and protector; he who begat us; he, so full of bounty! now are we left without a protector. Fully aware of their being orphans and of having no refuge, they are continually plunged in sorrow, by which their perverted notions make room for right notions. They acknowledge that remedy possessed of the required colour, smell, and taste to have the required colour, smell, and taste, so that they instantly take it, and by taking it are delivered from their evil. Then, on knowing that these sons are delivered from evil, the physician shows himself again. Now, young men of good family, what is your opinion? Would any one charge that physician with falsehood on account of his using that device? No, certainly not, Lord; certainly not, Sugata. He proceeded: In the same manner, young men of good family, I have arrived at supreme, perfect enlightenment since an immense, incalculable number of hundred thousands of myriads of kotis of Æons, but from time to time I display such able devices to the creatures, with the view of educating them, without there being in that respect any falsehood on my part."

[Katie Higgins]

And... the same Buddha, Shakayamuni, the Eternal Buddha said this:

"Myo-ho Ren-ge Kyo
Sublime Dharma of the Lotus Flower Sutra

Nyo-rai ju-ryo hon Dai ju-roku
Chapter Sixteen, the Measure of Life of the Tathagata

ji ga toku butsu rai
Since I obtained Buddhahood the number

sho kyo sho kos-shu
of kalpas that have passed is immeasurable

mu-ryo hyaku sen man
hundreds of thousands of myriads of tens of

oku sai a-so-gi
millions of quintillians of asemkheyas. I have

jo sep-po kyo-ke
ever been preaching the Dharma, teaching and

mu-shu oku shu-jo
converting numberless tens of millions of beings,

ryo nyu o butsu-do
Causing them to enter the Buddha Way;

ni-rai mu-ryo ko
Since then it has been immeasurable kalpas.

I do sho-jo ko
For the sake of the masses of beings

ho-ben ge ne-han
By expedience manifest Nirvana,

ni jitsu fu metsu-do
Yet in reality I do not become extinct;

jo ju shi sep-po
I ever abide here preaching the dharma,

ga jo ju o shi
Although I ever abide here,

I sho jin-zu riki
By various Divine Pervasive Powers

ryo ten-do shu-jo
I cause the wrong-headed masses of beings,

sui gon ni fu ken
Though close by, not to see me.

shu ken ga metsu-do
The masses see My Extinction,

ko kuyo sha-ri
And widely make offering to my relics,

gen kai e rem-bo
And all of them, nourishing affectionate longing,

ni sho katsu-go shin
Produce the mind of adoration. When the masses

shu-jo ki shim-buku
of beings have already submitted and believed,

shichi jiki i nyu nan
Are simple and upright with minds gentle and pliant

is-shin yoku kem-butsu
and with single mind desire to see the Buddha,

fu ji shaku shim-myo
Not sparing their bodily lives, At that time I as

ji ga gyu shu so
well as the assemblies of monks together come

ku shutsu Ryo-ju-sen
forth at the Spiritual Eagle Mountain(Ryojusen)

ga ji go shu-jo
I at that time say to the masses of beings,

jo zai shi fu metsu
'I am ever here, not extinguished.'


I ho-ben riki ko
Yet by the power of expedience

gen u metsu fu metsu
I manifest extinction and non-extinction.

yo koku u shu-jo
When in other countries there are masses of

ku-gyo shin-gyo sha
beings, those who reverence and believe

ga bu o hi chu
with joy. I likewise among them

i setsu mu-jo ho
preach the Supreme Dharma for their sake.

nyo-to fu mon shi
You, not hearing this,

tan-ni ga metsu-do
Merely say to yourselves that I am extinguished,

ga ken sho shu-jo
When I see the masses of beings,

motsu zai o ku kai
They are drowning in the sea of suffering.

ko fu i gen-shin
Therefore I do not manifest My Body,

ryo go sho katsu-go
To cause them to produce adoration.

in go shin rem-bo
Because of their hearts' affectionate longing

nai shutsu i sep-po
Then I come forth and preach the Dharma for

jin-zu riki nyo ze
them. My Divine Pervasive Powers are like this

O a-so-gi ko
For Asemkheya[countless number] of kalpas

jo zai Ryo-ju-sen
I have ever been at the Spiritual Eagle Mountain(Ryojusen).

gyu yo sho ju-sho
As well as at various other abodes,

shu-jo ken ko jin
The masses of beings see the kalpas exhausted,

dai ka sho sho ji
When they are burned by the great fires;

ga shi do an-non
This land of mine is peaceful and secure;

ten nin jo ju-man
Gods and humans ever fill it. Gardens

on rin sho do kaku
and forests and various halls and pavilions,

shu-ju ho sho-gon
With various types of jewels adorned; On the

ho ju ta ke ka
jewelled trees many flowers and fruit, Wherein

shu-jo sho yu raku
the masses of beings take their pleasure

sho ten kyaku ten ku
and rejoice. The gods strike the celestial drums,

jo sa shu gi-gaku
Ever making instrumental music.

u man-da-ra ke
Raining mandara flowers. Scattering them

sam-butsu gyu dai-shu
Over the Buddha and the great assemblies.

ga jo-do fu ki
Though My Pure Land is not destroyed,

ni shu ken sho-jin
Yet the masses see it burned up,

u-fu sho ku-no
Worrisome fears and agonizing sufferings

nyo ze shitsu ju-man
And such things all filling it up. These


ze sho zai shu-jo
beings of various sins, Because of the causes

i aku go in-nen
and conditions of their evil karma, Though

ka a-so-gi ko
they pass through asemkheyas of kalpas,

fu mon sam-bo myo
Do not hear the name of the Three Jewels.

sho u shu ku-doku
Those who have performed merit,

nyu-wa shichi jiki sha
Who are gentle and pliant, simple and upright,

sok-kai ken ga shin
Then all see my body.

zai shi ni sep-po
Staying here, preaching the Dharma.

waku ji i shi shu
Sometimes for these masses I preach the

setsu butsu ju mu-ryo
Buddha's Life is immeasurable. To those who

ku nai ken bus-sha
see the Buddha only after a long time, I preach

I setsu butsu nan chi
for them the Buddha is difficult to encounter.

ga chi riki nyo ze
The power of My Wisdom is like this;

e-ko sho mu-ryo
The illumination of the Light of My Wisdom is

ju-myo mu-shu ko
immeasurable; My Lifespan is immeasurable

ku shu go sho toku
kalpas; It is what I obtained by performing the

nyo-to u chi sha
karmas for a long time. You those who have

mot-to shi sho gi
wisdom, Do not produce doubts about this. You

To dan ryo yo jin
should cut them off and cause them to end forever:

Butsu go jip-pu ko
The Buddha's Words are true and not empty.

nyo i zen ho-ben
It is like the physician by skilled expedience

i ji o shi ko
for the sake of curing his children gone mad,

jitsu zai ni gon shi
Though in reality he exists, yet he says he dies,

mu no sek-ko mo
and there are none who can declare it is a vain

ga yaku i se bu
lie: I likewise am the Father of the World. The

ku sho ku gen sha
One who saves from the various sufferings and

I bom-bu ten-do
travails. Because the unenlightened worldlings are

jitsu zai ni gon metsu
wrong-headed, though in reality I exist, I say I am

I jo ken ga ko
extinguished; because by seeing my constantly,

ni sho kyo-shi shin
They would produce an arrogant and licentious

ho-itsu jaku go yaku
mind, Self-abandoned, attatched to the five

da o aku-do chu
desires, And would fall among the Evil Ways of

ga do chi shu-jo
Rebirth. I ever know the masses of beings

gyo do fu gyo do
Proceeding on the Way or not proceeding on the


zui o sho ka do
Way; according to what will save them,

i ses-shu-ju ho
I preach for them all sorts of Dharmas.

mai ji sa ze nen
I Myself ever form this thought:

i ga ryo shu-jo
'By what shall I cause the masses of beings

toku nyu mu-jo do
To be able to enter the Supreme Way

soku jo-ju bus-shin
And rapidly achieve the Buddha Body?'"

AND Nichiren believed, upheld and taught strict adherence to this Sutra and supreme reverence for this Buddha.

>>"“ it seems to me that on the path to attaining Buddhahood it May invariably be when one has done something like lay down one’s life that one becomes a Buddha. I think that perhaps it is encountering such difficulties as have already been explained in the Sutra - being cursed, vilified, attacked with swords and staves , shards and rubble, and banished again and again— that is reading the Lotus Sutra with one’s life. My faith springs up all the more , and I am confident about my next existence.” ( “ Banishment to Sado “) <<"

Study what Nichiren taught, upheld and laid down his life to protect --- declaring things precisely as they are:
Shakyamuni is the Eternal Buddha, the Lotus Sutra is his highest teaching !!

If your mind of faith is incorrect , none of your efforts will lead you to ATTAINING Buddhahood-- No one who studies Nichiren's teachings believes he is already a Buddha-- or that any Buddha, other than Shakyamuni is our parent, teacher, sovereign.

~Katie

[kelpzoidzl]

@katie Stop spammng your pathetic hate. You are a trainwreck. Arbn is a trainwreck. You had a nervous breakdown and started slandering people. Chant to overcome your disability. You are slandering bodhisattvas who practice the Supreme Law, just like Chas and Mark.. Your self-righteous hysteria is poison.

[kelpzoidzl]

https://youtu.be/E-vWjMM8q44

[Katie Higgins]

On Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 8:10:53 PM UTC-4, kelpzoidzl wrote:
> @katie Stop spammng your pathetic hate. You are a trainwreck. Arbn is a trainwreck. You had a nervous breakdown and started slandering people. Chant to overcome your disability. You are slandering bodhisattvas who practice the Supreme Law, just like Chas and Mark.. Your self-righteous hysteria is poison.

Your perceptions are way off, Dave-- I m quoting the Lotus Sutras and Nichiren-- which apparently YOU cannot handle!

In "Reply to Yasaburo", Nichiren states:

"For example, even if unwittingly we mistook our parents for enemies and reviled or struck and killed them, how could we avoid the guilt of that offense? These people failing to recognize their own rudeness, seem to think that I am rude. They are like a jealous woman with furious eyes who, unaware that when she glares at a courtesan her own expression is disagreeable, instead complains that the courtesan's gaze is frightening." (WND vol 1, P. 828)

No, Dave-- am not saying I am Nichiren-- nor am I a jealous woman or a courtesan , though Ricky has pegged me as such. I am pointing out that you are reacting to the Buddha's golden words that Nichiren held in the highest regard-- the same words he recommended we recite everyday!

The Buddha did not give us a "get out of jail free card"-- which you seem to think you have already employed to your own great benefit. You have no gratitude for what the Buddha did leave for us, and no appreciation for Nichiren's lifelong struggle to uphold it---.

How perverse of you to call my posting the words of the Buddha and Nichiren " self-righteous hysteria"!
Or rather, how revealing of your own darkness.

~Katie

[kelpzoidzl]

THE AUTHORS OF THE LOTUS SUTRA



The authors of the Lotus Sutra knew they were using expedient means. In fact, the entire Lotus Sutra, especially, was about the previous and current use of expedient means, to lead people to practice.

All the parables in the Lotus Sutra were about expedient means and justifying the use of expedient means for the sake of teaching others of varying capacities.

Ultimately the various expedient means were used because people as a whole, needed to be taught that way. Only rarely are there people who are born and automatically remember and recapitulate the entire range of Buddhism.

They knew that what they were teaching, in terms of eternity of life, and switching from a primarily, non-atman (non-soul) approach in Gautama's teachings, to a atman (soul) approach, would be more of an inspiration then stressing the "extinction," idea, which was Gautama's teachings main teaching in his day.

Secondly, they reinforced the Buddhist Middle Way teachings In the Lotus Sutra, by showing an Atman type of Buddhism that balanced the non-Atman teachings of Gautama by teaching about the substantiality or insubstantiality of things and phenomena as not one way or another, but neither-nor. The theoretical aspects of Gautama's teachings was kept intact, but expanded with terminology similar to what had become popular from the newer Upanishad's.

In fact, these middle period Upanishads had moved more to the Middle Way, as well, learning from and incorporating aspects of Gautama's Buddhism in the style of teaching,

Prior to Gautama, Hinduism had already both, Atman and Non-Atman teachings, depending on the school of Yoga they taught.
The idea of a "Buddha," and "Enlightenment," predated Gautama. Gautama stressed the middle way, but his close disciples were so indoctrinated with the other extreme, to them he stressed extinction.

In this way, the gradual shifts from the predominance of the popularity of Buddhism, to a gradual loss of popularity of Buddhism and new popularity of the Upanishads happened on a continuum within the populace.

The authors of the Lotus Sutra, witnessing corruption, elitism and insularism in monastic Buddhism, taught that "extinction" used by Gautama was an expedient means to begin with. It says that the Buddha Gautama, taught extinction to his disciples so that he could break down their attachments with the extreme Atman beliefs in India at the time

They knew that the teachings of Gautama which advocated "extinction." was not an inspiration to the people any longer, even though they taught escape from the wheel of life and death. Years later, Chinese Mahayana produced the sutras about specific time periods, that systematized the "former, middle and latter days of the Law."

By the 1st Century beginning of the Mahayana period, the middle period Upanishad scriptures, had become much more popular with the masses then old Buddhism and gave people hope. Compared to the earlier Upanishads, they had a flavor similar to what was later to be called Mahayana Buddhism.

They knew that the people were suffering and superstitious and at that time were reverting back to seeking a God or Gods to worship, Monastic Buddhism had come to look aloof and atheistic.

In the past, Buddhism at it's peak in India, had supplanted the earlier, more fantastical, multi-god, legend-based Vedic and Hindu scriptures. Gautama's enlightenment-based teachings became popular, while still using Vedic and Hindu cosmology and terminology or names of Gods. From the Hindu point of view, by the 8th century, Gautama was called the ninth Avatar of the God Vishnu.

The original Mahayana authors who were the greatest experts in both Hinduism and Buddhism and knew that the Pre-Buddhist, Hindus had superstitious misunderstanding of the Upanishads and Vedas and the Hindu sects had become corrupt centers of power until the appearance of Gautama.

But now, as Buddhism was losing popularity in India and the Buddhist sects had lost touch with the people, there was a re-emergence of renewed Hinduism that recaptured and inspired the popular mind. It was more true Buddhist in it's teachings then the Ivory tower kind of Monastic Buddhism that was busy with their own insulated, infighting, over dogma and lineages--all claiming supremacy.

Based on their own awakenings, they composed pieces of the Prajnaparamita, Lotus Sutra and the Surangama Sutra. These earliest true Mahayana, led to the production of other Sutras in Sanskrit and then after translations into Chinese, many Chinese Mahayana Sutras.

Although their were some small pieces of Mahayana-like Sutras, from just before the year zero, it was from the middle of the 1st to the 2nd century that the greatest Mahayana authors and teachers lived during that time during the times and under the patronage of the central Asian empire of the Kushan Kings. There were other great Mahayanists such as Vasubhandu, Asanga and Sthiramati that wrote treatises on the Mahayana. After this period, Chinese Buddhism began altering Mahayana to fit in with Chinese ideologies.

The authors of the Lotus Sutra were contemporaries and connected to the court of the King Kanishka and appeared separately, from the 4th council. No Mahayana sutras were part of that council. These authors were also experts in Theravadin Buddhism and transcended the sectarian argument between the Sarvastivadan and Mahasamghika and other sects.

The authors of the Lotus Sutra, understood the real value of Buddhism--not merely as an "escape from the cycle of birth and death,"--but as a way to gradually strip away dogma and teach a Yoga-meditation practice, free from worship of supernatural dieties, leading to personal enlightenment. But they knew this was a double-edged sword and had to consider the existing teachings, the ripeness of the people's mind and what would inspire the people.

If they were to denounce the superstitous beliefs in great dieties seen in vision by the ancients but only prayed to by common people and not replace this with an idea of an eternal Buddha, then the people could lose their faith altogether and not be inspired that their own personal identity was also special and holy.

They foresaw a time in ther future, when people could all share the more profound experiences as they had experienced and go beyond the more common and basic visionary experiences, which had led people to believe in Samsara and the polarities of Gods and Devils, but little way to attain Enlightenment for themselves.

It would have to be fundamental to the new Sutras, to inspire faith and practice, even for beginners and bring people to the awakening to the use of expedient means.

As Buddhists they practiced the same single pointed meditation, which had a Vedic and Hindu history extending back to the earliest times, even known to other ancient cultures and the same meditation methods used by Gautama.

They were well versed in the ancient use of Soma the elixir of immortality from the most ancient times.

When the first Chinese Emperor allowed an audience with the first Buddhist Monk to meet an Emperer, is was recorded that the first question addressed to the monk was, "Do you have the Elixir of Immortality?."

(To be continued.)

dc

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[kelpzoidzl]

@Chas Chant to cure yourself of your disability. It is a severe one.

[Chas.]

On Friday, October 13, 2017 at 11:27:54 AM UTC-7, kelpzoidzl wrote:
> @Chas Chant to cure yourself of your disability. It is a severe one.

I'm afraid your Devadatta act will require more than daimoku to cure in this life, but I retain hope for sometime in the vast future.

-Chas.

[kelpzoidzl]

@Chas your complete lack of normal, human boundaries is sad. You neither represent SGI nor Nichiren, or even Mr. ikeda.

Ikeda: "You don't just get up in the mornng and say, "Zen is for Devils." Thus became the opening salvo of the evil schism.

Well Chas does....., but he sits 24/7 spamming hate, so I don't think he gets up in the morning.

Obviously I am not a Zen Buddhist, but even most Zen Buddhists don't slander like you do.

Clearly you never actually practise or attend any activities.

You have ALL usenet to spam, just think it, all those other usenet groups you can spread your hatefull insanity. Throughout the triple world.

In about a minute, you will again chase away the few sane people reading arbn.

Then You, Mark and Katie can continue in your hatefest and megalomania.

[Noel]

What a sobering account of WHAT MAY HAVE HAPPENED.

"The Lotus Sūtra was originally translated from Sanskrit into Chinese by Dharmarakṣa in 286 CE in Chang'an during the Western Jin Period (265-317 CE). However, the view that there is a high degree of probability that the base text for that translation was actually written in a Prakrit language has gained widespread acceptance"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Sutra

Some say that the Lotus Sutra was an orally transmitted teaching from Shakyamuni Buddha and was translated much later but in your report, it says the authors of the Lotus Sutra were contemporaries and connected to the court of the King Kanishka and appeared separately, from the 4th council. Does this mean that there is a possibility that Shakyamuni wasn't the originator of the Lotus Sutra ?

[kelpzoidzl]

@Noel ---Buddhist Hybrid Sanskrit and Prakrit.

There is no reason for shock or social disorientation about the origin of Mahayana. You can be sure that the people who compiled it experienced it first hand.

What is really interesting is who these people were. I've found that in fact, the authors give clues as to who they are and have written themselves into the sutra, hiding in plain sight. It is not so difficult to understand once one delves into the biographies of the greatest Buddhists throughout the 1st and 2nd century, but pinning it down is a challenge. A bigger challenge is being able to offer proof to those that are afraid of the answers. I think the answer can shock and amaze in a good way.

Nichiren knew, there was a question, about authorship, but being in Japan in the 13th Century he didn't have the documentary information about the Origin of Mahayana except to elude to it in some cryptic sentences. He had to walk a fine line, He had to use expedients too. His first mission was to try to point people away from imaginary Buddhas, back to the human Gautama, whom many in Japan has discarded, in favor of Magical ones and even then people doubted the Mahayana Origin. Originally It wasn't really hidden that Mahayana Sutras were compiled, but quickly became a mystery even for the translators. There were some great champions of Mahayana.

Chih I, had even less documentation about Mahayana, then Nichiren and they had to wade through many spurious Chinese Sutras composed by then.

Nichiren had writen that Chih-I had said, "Kumarajva was in a region if darkness."

I think this was Indicating that Kumarajva had also translated spurious sutras, causing contradictions and confusion.

Chih I, wrote on the 5 Periods of the Buddhas Teaching but it is describing doctrine importance, not clear historical facts and doing so in a political climate in China, where slighting other Sutras would bring down problems and arguments.

The Kashmir Valley is likely where the Sutra or portions of the Sutra was written down.

On my old website the banner at the top is an Aerial view of the Kashmir Valley.

Its a delicate subject,

[kelpzoidzl]

An essay on Buddhism in Kashmir ( very brief)

http://web.archive.org/web/20131119083132/http://www.saddharmapundarika.com/?p=1058

[Noel]

It is said that in Kashmir about 78CE is where they held the 4th Buddhist council. Kashmir has had a long Vedic tradition prior to Buddhism and was later known for the development of Kashmir Shaivism.

So it wouldn't surprise me if the Lotus Sutra was created in such a spiritual place during the meeting of many great minds.

Through their meditation and wisdom, they must have taken the best from all that has gone before such as in the body of Hinduism and Buddhism and with those revelations from the eternal Alaya came the Saddharma Pundarika Sutra

[Katie Higgins]

How do you know “ Nichiren had questions about authorship “? Please cite Nichiren’s writing on this “delicate matter”.

~ Katie

[kelpzoidzl]

@katie I already cited one of them with the quote from Creed of Half Japan (1911) Im sure you didnt read it. In order to grasp Nichiren you need to do what Chih-I wrote, "be like the wise minister who understands the King's veiled words."

Toss out superstitious ideas and surface, literalized meanings to see more deeply.

Chih-i (Tien-t'ai the great) writes in lesser Chapter 5 of the Maka Shikan:

"It is easy for a sticky hand to adhere, and hard to awaken from deep dreaming. Some people seal up a text and restrict its sense, declaring their own personal understanding of it to be right. They vie with others to seize tiles and pebbles, thinking they are baubles of lapis luzuli. Even the most familiar things and explicit statements they fail to understand; how could they not but err when it comes to the abstruse principle and hidden teaching? This is why it is necessary to discuss "the returning to the purport."

[Katie Higgins]

Not Nichiren’s method , Dave- you are disregarding Nichiren’s adherence to scripture.
Your “ method “ is thetefore “ slander “-/ avvirfjng to Nichiren .

There’s a long history well documented on your licentious views —

~ Katie

[kelpzoidzl]

Spam Devils of ArBn. Duh!

[kelpzoidzl]

Some may wonder who Fugen and Yakuo are

Fugen states:

"I will, besides, O Lord, give those preachers words of talismanic spells,
such as, Adande dandapati, dandāvartani dandakusale dandasudhāri dhāri
sudhārapati, buddhapasyani dhārani, āvartani samvartani sanghaparīkshite
sanghanirghātani dharmaparīkshite sarvasattvarutakausalyānugate
simhavikrīdite. The Bodhisattva Mahāsattva, whose organ of hearing is struck
by these talismanic words, Lord, shall be aware that the Bodhisattva
Mahāsattva Samantabhadra is their ruling power."


Bodhisattva Yakuo states:

"Then the Bodhisattva Mahāsattva Bhaishagyarāga immediately said to the
Lord: To those young men or young ladies of good family, O Lord, who keep
this Dharmaparyāya of the Lotus of the True Law in their memory or in a
book, we will give talismanic words for guard, defence, and protection; such
as, anye manye mane mamane kitte karite same, samitāvi, sānte, mukte,
muktatame, same avishame, samasame, gaye, kshaye, akshine, sānte sanī,
dhārani ālokabhāshe, pratyavekshani, nidhini, abhyantaravisishte, utkule
mutkule, asade, parade, sukānkshī, asamasame, buddhavilokite,
dharmaparikshite, sanghanirghoshani, nirghoshanī bhayābhayasodhanī, mantre
mantrākshayate, rutakausalye, akshaye, akshavanatāya, vakule valoda,
amanyatāya. These words of charms and spells, O Lord, have been pronounced
by reverend Buddhas (in number) equal to the sands of sixty-two Ganges
rivers. All these Buddhas would be offended by any one who would attack such
preachers, such keepers of the Sūtrānta."

[kelpzoidzl]

"Thereupon the Bodhisattva Mahāsattva Samantabhadra (FUGEN), in the east,
surrounded and followed by Bodhisattvas Mahāsattvas surpassing all
calculation, amid the stirring of fields, a rain of lotuses,

the playing of
 hundred thousands of myriads of kotis of musical instruments, proceeded with
 the great pomp of a Bodhisattva, the great display of transformations proper
to a Bodhisattva,....

...the great magnificence of a Bodhisattva, the great power 
of a Bodhisattva, the great lustre of a glorious Bodhisattva, the great
 stately march of a Bodhisattva, the great miraculous display of a
 Bodhisattva, a great phantasmagorical sight of gods, Nāgas, goblins,
Gandharvas, demons, Garudas, Kinnaras, great serpents, men, and beings not
human, who, produced by his magic, surrounded and followed him;
Samantabhadra, then, the Bodhisattva, amid such inconceivable miracles
worked by magic, arrived at this Saha-world."

[kelpzoidzl]

In the Surangama Sutra the Buddha asks his top Bodhisattvas and
Leaders, to tell which one of the 25 means to encounter Buddhahood through the meditations on the 6 senses, is best in their opinion?

Samantabradha (Fugen Bosatsu) who is a pivitol character in the
Lotus Sutra as well) tells his story that he liked sound best.

He
 writes a musical score (like Asvaghosha the composer) meant to awaken humanity.

Record of the Orally Transmitted
Teachings of Nichiren Daishonin
- Ongi Kuden -

Chapter 28: The Encouragement of Bodhisattva Universally Worthy [Fugen Boastsu Kambotsu]
The sutra states, "World-Honored One, I now therefore employ my transcendental powers to guard and protect this sutra. And after the Thus Come One had entered extinction, I will cause it to be widely propagated throughout Jambudvipa and will see that it never comes to an end." (LS p. 322 3LS p. 341)

It is due to the awesome supernatural powers of Bodhisattva Fugen that people throughout the world will be able to practice the Lotus Sutra. It is because of the protection of Bodhisattva Fugen that kosen-rufu will be achieved. (Gosho Zenshu p. 780)

The sutra states, "Before long this person will proceed to the place of practice, conquer the devil hosts, and attain anuttara-samyak-sambodhi. He will turn the wheel of the Dharma, beat the Dharma drum, and sound the Dharma conch, and rain down the Dharma rain. He is worthy to sit in the lion seat of the Dharma, amid the great assembly of heavenly and human beings." (LS p. 323, 3LS p. 343)

'This person' refers to the votary of the Lotus Sutra. The place where he upholds and practices the teachings is the seat of Buddhahood. There is no need to leave this place and go elsewhere. The 'lion seat of the Dharma' is the place where people of the ten worlds reside. All of the mountains, valleys and fields where Nichiren and his disciples live and chant Daimoku are the Land of Eternally Tranquil Light, they need not leave their present place and go elsewhere. This is what is meant by [the phrase] 'the lion seat of the Dharma.' (Gosho Zenshu p. 781)

The sutra states, "Therefore, Universal Worthy, if you see a person who accepts and upholds this sutra, you should rise and greet him from afar, showing him the same respect you would a Buddha." (LS p. 3LS p. 343)

There is the ultimate inheritance [contained in the sutra]. Shakyamuni expounded an essential theme of the Lotus Sutra, which he preached for eight years, in the phrase of the eight characters and transferred it to the people of Latter Day of the Law.

The eight characters mean [see the above]. The [above phrase] means, without fail, you should show the votary of the Lotus Sutra the same respect as you would a Buddha. (Gosho Zenshu p. 781)
The sutra states, "Before long this person will proceed to the place of practice." (LS p. 323, 3LS p. 343)

Question: The Lotus Sutra starts, at the beginning of the Jo Chapter, with the word 'this,' ["This is what I heard" (LS p. 3)] and ends, in the FugenChapter, with the word 'departed.' ["they bowed in obeisance and departed." (LS p. 324)] What teaching did the sutra's translator, the Tripitaka Master Kumarajiva, intend to express?"

[kelpzoidzl]

The Hokke Mongu states 'This' means 'not differing' and has precisely the meaning of emptiness. The remotest past corresponds to actuality. The reason is that the Juryo Chapter of the original teaching has, as its primary meaning, the principle of three thousand realms present in a single instant [ichinen sanzen]. 'Departed' corresponds to the past. 'Withdrew' has the meaning of 'opening.' 'This' has the meaning of 'integrating.' 'Opening' represents the mind that discriminates. 'Integrating' represents the mind that is without discrimination. When 'opening' and 'integration' are applied to the beings and the Buddha, then 'integration' represents the Buddha realm, and 'opening,' the realm of the beings. The word 'this' at the beginning of the Jo chapter represents the oneness of the Buddha and living beings. The theoretical teaching corresponds with the realm of non-duality, because it sets forth [the principle of] of the eternal and unchanging truth.

'This' of 'This is what I heard' is the principle of the unchanging truth. Of the three truths of emptiness [ku], provisional existence [ke] and the Middle Way [chudo], 'like' indicates emptiness, 'this' indicates the Middle Way, and 'I heard' corresponds to provisional existence. The theoretical teaching stresses [the truth of] Emptiness [ku] and therefore sets forth duality on the basis of non-duality. Thus, to express the aspect of duality, all the beings who hear [this sutra] equally are arranged in separate categories. 'Departed,' the last word of the essential [hommon] teaching, corresponds to wisdom that functions in accords with changing conditions and to the realm of duality. Hence the use of the word 'departed.' 'Departed' of 'they bowed in obeisance and departed' corresponds to the 'this' [nyo] of true wisdom [shinnyo] that accords with conditions. The essential teaching expounds duality on the basis of non-duality. Two and yet not two [nini funi], constantly identified and 'constantly differing, from past to present, spontaneous and unchanging' - one should ponder this commentary. This word 'departed' is also related to the five thousand who rise and depart from the assembly [in the Hoben-bon]. The reason is that, according to a transmission handed down, that these five thousand persons represent the five levels of defilement. These five levels of defilement bow to the Buddha who is one's own mind and depart. (Gosho Zenshu p. 782)

The two characters 'this' [nyo] and 'departed' [ko] are the two ways of birth and death. Nyo signifies that the Law is condensed into a single life and ko signifies the opening or merging of that life back into the universe. Ko means 'to open' and nyo means 'to combine.' Dengyo states, 'Departed' indicates the thus coming that is without coming and the 'perfect departing that is without departing.' The word 'this' [also] has the meaning of 'all dharmas are the mind' and the word 'departed' has the meaning of 'the mind is all dharmas.' 'All dharmas are the mind' corresponds to the eternal and unchanging true nature of phenomena expounded in the theoretical teaching of the Lotus Sutra. 'The mind is all dharmas' corresponds with the unchanging true nature expounded in the essential teaching of the sutra. Thus, the world of Buddhahood being contained within the one mind has the meaning of 'this,' and [the mind] opening to become the world of Buddhahood has the meaning of 'departed.' This has the same meaning as the oral transmission concerning the three truths and the threefold contemplation. (Gosho Zenshu p. 782)

In another sense, 'this' indicates 'true,' and 'departed' indicates 'aspect.' 'True' indicates the Ninth Consciousness, and aspect the mental functions. Again, 'the dharmas' correspond to 'departed' and the 'true aspect,' to 'this.' The entirety of this sutra from beginning to end is contained in the phrase [in the Hoben chapter], 'the true entity of all phenomena [Shoho Jisso].' The commentary states, 'What is the essence of this sutra? It is the true entity of all phenomena.' (Gosho Zenshu p. 782-83)

Now proceeding a step further, in terms of Nichiren's practice, 'this' [nyo] indicates the 'practice that accords' [nyo] with teaching [the sutra] [nyosetsu shugyo]. When Shakyamuni pronounced the essential transmission of the five characters, [the events of this transmission] began with the Ken Hoto chapter of the sutra. His voice penetrating beneath the earth, he ensured that there would be someone [to propagate the sutra] in both near and distant times, declaring his entrustment [of the sutra] both to his original disciples and to those whom he had taught in his provisional capacity. Thus, the Ken Hoto Chapter serves as a hidden introduction to the essential teaching. With the two Buddhas, Shakyamuni and Taho, sitting side by side and the emanating Buddhas assembled, Shakyamuni expounded and revealed the excellent good medicine which is the Lotus Sutra. Manifesting ten types of supernatural powers, he summed it up in four phrases and entrusted it to Bodhisattva Jogyo. That which was transferred was the title of the Mystic Law. One should ponder the fact that the essential transfer occurred inside the Treasure Tower and the general transfer occurred outside of the tower. In this way, [the substance of the transfer] was revealed in the Yujutsu and Juryo chapters and [the transfer] concluded in the Jinriki and Zokurui Chapters. (Gosho Zenshu p. 783)

Regarding the five characters of Myoho Renge Kyo in the Latter Day of the Law, the sutra states, therefore, "a person of wisdom, hearing how keen are the benefits to be gained, after I have passed into extinction should accept and uphold this sutra. Such a person assuredly and without doubt will attain the Buddha way." (LS p. 276) It is clear from this passage that in the Latter Day, when the True Law has become obscured and lost, Bodhisattva Jogyo will make his advent and, abbreviating four of the five practices, will attain Buddhahood by the single practice of embracing the five characters of Myoho Renge Kyo. (Gosho Zenshu p. 783)

This passage is perfectly clear and expresses the Buddha's transfer of merit. The mind-ground of one who accepts and holds this sutra is 'this' [nyo] in that it accords [nyo] with the teachings of the sutra. In the 'this' of this mind-ground, because one accepts and holds the five characters of Myoho Renge Kyo and chants the Daimoku, one immediately departs from all ignorance and defilement and manifests the ultimate fruit of wondrous enlightenment. Thus, the word 'departed' is used to conclude the sutra, and is accordingly preceded with the words "accepting and upholding the Buddha's words." (LS p. 324) Even the demon king of the defilements and evil insight, when illuminated by the light of all phenomena manifesting the true aspect, perceives that he pervades the universe in a single thought moment. Then he in turn salutes the Buddha, who is one's own mind; hence the phrase "they bowed in obeisance and departed." (LS p. 324) One should ponder the interpretation that states 'the three thousand realms interpenetrate and yet each remain as they are.' This sole transmission [of the heritage of the Law] should be kept secret and not told to others. It has been taught that the ultimate meaning of the word 'departed' is the departure of 'not departing and yet departing.' (Gosho Zenshu p. 783)

[kelpzoidzl]

What teaching did the sutra's translator, the Tripitaka Master Kumarajiva, intend to express?

Answer: The two essential teachings of this sutra are the true aspect [of all phenomena as set forth in the Hoben chapter] and [Buddha's original enlightenment in] the remotest past [set forth in the Juryo chapter]. The initial word 'this' indicates the true aspect, and the concluding word 'departed' represents the remotest past. The reason is that the true aspect corresponds to principle [ri] and the [Buddha's original enlightenment in] the remotest past, to actuality [ji]. 'Principle has the meaning of emptiness [ku], and emptiness has the meaning of 'this.' In this way, 'this' corresponds to principle and to emptiness....

[kelpzoidzl]

We cannot conclude the accounts concerning Açvaghosha without mentioning an anecdote from a Chinese source. 2 The Çraddhotpâdaçâstra (The Awakening

p. 35

of Faith,) proves he was a philosopher of a high grade; the Buddhacaritakâvya (The life of Buddha) and the Mahâlamkâraçâstra (The Book of Great Glory) reveal his poetical genius; and the following story indicates that he was a musician: 1

He [Açvaghosha] then went to Pâtaliputra for his propaganda-tour, where he composed an excellent tune called Lai cha huo lo ( Râstavara?), that he might by this means convert the people of the city. Its melody was classical, mournful, and melodious, inducing the audience to ponder on the misery, emptiness, and non-âtman-ness of life. That is to say, the music roused in the mind of the hearer the thought that all aggregates are visionary and subject to transformation; that the triple world is a jail and a bondage, with nothing enjoyable in it; that since royalty, nobility, and the exercise of supreme power, are all characterised with transitoriness, nothing can prevent their decline, which will be as sure as the dispersion of the clouds in the sky; that this corporeal existence is a sham, is as hollow as a plantain tree, is an enemy, a foe, one not to be intimately related with; and again that like a box in which a cobra is kept, it should

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never be cherished by anybody; that therefore all Buddhas denounce persons clinging to a corporeal existence. Thus explaining in detail the doctrine of the non-âtman and the çûnyatâ, Açvaghosha had the melody played by musicians, who, however, not being able to grasp the significance of the piece, failed to produce the intended tune and harmony. He then donned a white woolen dress, joined the band of musicians, beating the drum, ringing the bell, and tuning the lyre, and this done, the melody in full perfection gave a note at once mournful and soothing, so as to arouse in the mind of the audience the idea of the misery, emptiness, and non-âtman-ness of all things. The five hundred royal princes in the city thus moved all at once were fully awakened, and abhorring the curse of the five evil passions abandoned their worldly life and took refuge in the Bodhi. The king of Pâtaliputra was very much terrified by the event, thinking that if the people who listen to this music would abandon their homes [like the princes], his country would be depopulated and his royal business ruined. So he warned the people never to play this music hereafter.

Footnotes

34:2 The Transmission of the Dharmapitaka (Fu fa tsang chuan, fas. 5).

35:1 The fact agrees well with Târanâtha's statement which in its German translation reads as follows: "Die von ihm verfassten Loblieder sind auch in allen Ländern verbreitet; da zuletzt Sänger und Possenreisser dieselben vortrugen und bei allen Menschen des Landes mit Macht Glauben an den Buddha entstand, erwuchs durch die Loblieder grösserer Nutzen zur Verbreitung der Lehre. Geschichte des Buddhismus, German translation, p. 91.

[Katie Higgins]

Dave cannot support his assessment of Nichiren’s “views on authorship of the Lotus Sutra “ using Nichiren’s writings. It is Dave’s, not Nichiren’s view that “ transmissions outside of the sutras” are credible .

Dave diverges from Nichiren’s teachings and Nichiren’s specific sdmonitions regarding Daves methods !

~ Katie

[JazzIs TvRicky]

Those wrangling over the Lotus Sutra in a literal sense, should seal off that part of the nijo mind and sit and practice single-mindedly with full surrender to the mystic law. Then something remarkable will hapoen.


The mental wrangling, are what the sutra term OUTFLOWS means.

Nichiren taught that even with these outflows one can overcome them with strong practice and faith.

This is what counts.

Profound and thoughtful👀

[JazzIs TvRicky]

Chas is caught!👍🏾

[kelpzoidzl]

@katie, the gosho does prove the the Daishonin knew more of the authorship of the Lotus Sutra then would openly discuss. I have posted these quotes where Sun Lotus, says things about this in a guarded way. Because the topic was inflammatory, he made references to this all throughout his writings, in a more subtle way.

Sun Lotus realized he was a Buddha since the remote past as were the Buddhas who composed the Lotus Sutra. Making distinctions are foolish. Adherring to textbook Buddhism does not provide awakening. The Bodhisattvas of the Earth is the Buddha of the Lotus Sutra as is the extinct Buddha inside the Treasure Tower. Sun Lotus did say he had attained Buddhahood, but because of the danger and consequences of doing so openly, he only spoke to those he trusted. He knew who of his followers were true to the teachings and had understanding and who did not.

Real proof of this has to come from direct experience, otherwise the abtuse cannot understand. The actual proof is referring to direct experience.

One must not be blind to the real meaning of the Three Great Secret Laws. This teaching even surpassed Tien'tai's Ichinen Sanzen. Both Tien'tai and Sun Lotus knew of the enlightenment of the composers of the Lotus Sutra. They were also aware of the many misleading sutras and the weak level of understanding of most people lackng direct experience.

[kelpzoidzl]

From The Creed of Half Japan, by Arthur Lloyd, [1911], at sacred-texts.com

Footnote for page 299:3

Nichiren was, however, fully aware of the chronological difficulties connected with the acceptance of the Hokekyō as a genuine Sūtra actually preached by S’akyamuni himself

In a passage quoted in p. 300 "Seigōroku" (p. 645), (Gosho volume from 1907), after enumerating the early patriarchs of the Northern Buddhism, he adds that during their terms of office there is not to be found even the name of a single Mahāyāna Sūtra (sho-Daijo Kyo wa myoji mo nashi), and on the following page there is another passage in which he describes the astonishment and perplexity of the Hīnayāna doctors when As’vaghosha and Nāgārjuna began to propound their Mahāyāna doctrines. Nichiren's thought was that the Hokekyō, as a kind of Apocalypse, was far too advanced for the immediate disciples of S’akyamuni, and that for this reason it lay fallow for several centuries, gradually winning recognition for itself as the spiritual intelligence of the Buddhist

301:1 We must remember that Nichiren, in common with all northern Buddhists until quite recent times, placed S’akyamuni's birth B.C. 1027, and his death, consequently, about B.C. 947. The true date places the end of the first age in the first Christian century, and squares very well with what we know of the beginnings of Gnosticism, as well as of the Mahāyāna. Nichiren speaks of the pre-Mahāyāna Sūtras as ni zen ("before the rain"), an expression which somehow seems to be an echo, as it were, of phrases like "Pentecostal showers."

It is prepoterous that those who claim various gosho of Sun Lotus are "forged" and claim to have better translations, cannot read between the lines in the writings of Sun Lotus.

[Noel]

What I get out of this you are saying that S'akyamuni didn't preach Hokekyo which was made up by some brilliant monk scholars many centuries latter and Nichiren knew it because after all he's a Buddha that can read between the lines!

Noel

[Chas.]

David Cole, White Knight of the Fascist Alt Right Klan +

On Thursday, August 2, 2018 at 10:10:26 AM UTC-7, kelpzoidzl (David Cole) wrote:
> SGI-USA committing sedition in the USA.
>
> www.sgi-usa.com Proof.
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> Poor members being duped.

So, those not being willingly complicit with Donald Trump's inhuman immigrant family separation policy are traitors, huh?

You should go on Morning Joe and try and sell that bilge to the to the refugees from the conservative Republican Party there:

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/episodes

Or go watch Republican Nicolle Wallace and her friends Steve Schmidt, George Will and others, all refugees from the Reagan-Bush Republican Party, who while wrong-headed in my classically Liberal view, at least had a heart:

http://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/episodes

In either case, you will at least get a memory of what the Republican Party, the GOP, used to stand for before it became Putin's Repugnican Party, the PRP

-Chas.
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On Thursday, August 2, 2018 at 1:18:39 PM UTC-7, kelpzoidzl (David Cole) wrote:

@Chas. Your mental conflicts disallows you from seeing reality. You yourself are luckily out if step with the SGI-USA, but by being traitorous to Mr. Williams, your make the same error of the keaders of SGI USA of rejecting Nichiren in favor of a leader who thought he was greater then Nichiren and betrayed all the sincere members, especially slandering of GMW.
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On Thursday, August 2, 2018 at 1:38:59 PM UTC-7, kelpzoidzl (David Cole) wrote:

The "separation of children," issue was a lie to begin with. The law was signed by Clinton and stopped by Trump. It was globalist propaganda spread by evil media.

Look at all the detention photos from Clnton and Obama administrations.

The USA is a product of the ichinen of the Bodhisattvas of the Earth. Globalists wish to destroy that. DON'T BE STUPID!

Ikeda, only published small quotes from his Kalergi book in the USA. Kalergi was insane and Ikeda being enamored by him, was replacing Josei Toda for that wicked man.

Nichiren was a patriot, yet knew Japan was wicked. The founding fathers of the USA answered to Nichiren's prayers. GMW knew this. I know this. America was a miracle. The appearance of the founding fathers was a miracle. Lincoln was a miracle, JFK and Bobby Kennedy were miracle and all three were murdered. GMW was a miracle, "assassinated" by Ikeda and SGIUSA leaders. Trump also is an unexpected miracle. Like when Kng Asoka appeared in the former day. Trump haters are trying to destroy the miracle of the USA.

Ikeda had the agenda of Kalergi, to destroy America and the western countries. He completely rejected Nichiren and thought he was greater. Very shallow demonic.

Wake up.
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On Thursday, August 2, 2018 at 1:58:18 PM UTC-7, kelpzoidzl (David Cole) wrote:

In the process of trying to destroy the West with the globalist agenda, they have turned Buddhist propagation back a hundred years. Now it it even "politically correct" to fill western countries with radical Islam and Marxism and "politically incorrect" to actually spread Buddhism or real Christianity. Ikeda became evil and a traitor to Buddhism.

Nikken slandered the members of the Gakkai which was evil, but at the root of it he knew Ikeda's agenda was far from Buddhism.

The ONLY solution for the remnants of Nivhiren Buddhism in the USA, to discard Ikeda, revere GMW's and Nittatsu's Ichinen and reunite.

So let it be written, so let it be done.
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On Thursday, August 2, 2018 at 2:01:13 PM UTC-7, kelpzoidzl (David Cole) wrote:

Promoting the Invasion of the USA is sedition.
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On Thursday, August 2, 2018 at 2:01:13 PM UTC-7, kelpzoidzl (David Cole) wrote:
> Promoting the Invasion of the USA is sedition.

Calling refugee families fleeing the criminal gangs in central America "the Invasion of the USA" and those fleeing the ISIS wars in the middle east "the invasion of Europe" is both ridiculously tiny-minded and inhumane. The fraction of MS13 members in the ICE-held population is near zero, as was the fraction of ISIS terrorists in the European refugees during the war, although not not now that ISIS is largely defeated.

Taking the actions to separate babies from their families and incarcerate little children in cages, likely never to be reunited with their parents, is what makes you a Repugnican (Making America Grate Again), no longer a Republican.

Also, no longer a Buddhist. Not even issendai Buddhist sects would accept your ignorant rhetoric, note the list of signatures on the SGI website:

http://www.sgi-usa.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Separating-Immigrant-Children_Buddhist-Statement.pdf

You are truly alone, David Cole.

-Chas.
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On Thursday, August 2, 2018 at 8:02:52 PM UTC-7, kelpzoidzl (David Cole) wrote:

The Coudenhove-Kalergi plan – The genocide of the Peoples of Europe
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Mass immigration is a phenomenon the causes of which are cleverly concealed by the political elites, and the multicultural propaganda is employed to falsely portray it as inevitable. In this article we intend to prove once and for all, that mass immigration is not a spontaneous phenomenon. What the elites try to present as an inevitability of modern life, is actually the product of a plan conceived around a table and prepared over decades, to completely change the face of our continent.

The Pan-Europe

Few people know that one of the main instigators of the process of European integration, was a man who also conceived the genocide of the peoples of Europe. He was a sinister individual whose existence is unknown to the masses of our people, but the political elites consider him as the founder of the European Union. His name is Richard von Coudenhove Kalergi. His father was an Austrian diplomat named Heinrich von Coudenhove-Kalergi (with connections to the Byzantine family of the Kallergis), and his mother the Japanese Mitsu Aoyama.

Thanks to his close contacts with European aristocrats and politicians, and due to the network of relationships created his nobleman-diplomat father, Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi was able to work unseen, away from the glare of publicity, and he managed to engage the co-operation of the most influential heads of state for his plan, making them supporters and collaborators for his “project of European integration”.

In 1922 he founded the “Pan-European” movement in Vienna, which aimed to create a New World Order, based on a federation of nations led by the United States. European integration would be just the first step in creating a world government. His earliest supporters included Czech politicians Tomáš Masaryk and Edvard Beneš, and the German Jewish banker Max Warburg, who invested the first 60,000 marks. The Austrian Chancellor Ignaz Seipel and the next president of Austria, Karl Renner, took early responsibility for leading the “Pan-European” movement and later, French politicians, such as Léon Bloum, Aristide Briand, Alcide De Gasperi etc., offered their help.

With the rise of Fascism in Europe during the 1930s, the project of European integration was abandoned and the “Pan-European” movement was forced to dissolve. However, after the Second World War, and thanks to frantic and tireless activity and the support of Winston Churchill, the Jewish Masonic Lodge B’nai B’rith and major newspapers like the New York Times, Kalergi managed to gain acceptance for his plan by the United States Government and later the CIA became involved in driving the plan towards completion.

The essence of the Kalergi plan

In his book «Praktischer Idealismus», Kalergi explains that the citizens of the future “United States of Europe” will not be the people of the Old Continent, but a new mixed breed, the products of thorough and widespread miscegenation. He states that the peoples of Europe should interbreed with Asians and other non-White races, to create a multiracial population, with not clear sense of tradition or identity and therefore easily controlled by the ruling elite.

Kalergi proclaims the need to abolish the right of nations to self-determination and outlines the break-up of nation states through the use of ethnic separatist movements and the destruction of the nations themselves through mass migration. In order for Europe to be easily controlled by the future elite, Kalergi proposes the creation of a homogeneous mixed breed population, and as to who should be the new elite? Kalergi is particularly illuminating on this point:

The man of the future will be of mixed race. The races and classes of today will gradually disappear due to the elimination of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-negroid race of the future, similar in appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the current diversity of peoples and the diversity of individuals. Instead of destroying European Judaism, Europe, against her will, refined and educated this people, driving them to their future status as a leading nation through this artificial evolutionary process. It’s not surprising that the people that escaped from the Ghetto-Prison, became the spiritual nobility of Europe. Thus, the compassionate care given by Europe created a new breed of aristocrats. This happened when the European feudal aristocracy crashed because of the emancipation of the Jews [due to the actions taken by the French Revolution]

Although no textbook mentions Kalergi, his ideas are the guiding principles of the European Union. The belief that the peoples of Europe should be mixed with Africans and Asians, to destroy our identity, to break down traditional ways of living and create a single mixed race, is the reason for community policies that promote minority interests. The underlying motives are not really humanitarian, but because the power behind the ruthless regime dominating the EU plans the greatest genocide in history.

A prestigious prize is awarded every two years by the Coudenhove-Kalergi Foundation to Europeans who have excelled in promoting this criminal plan. Among those awarded with such a prize are Angela Merkel and Herman Van Rompuy.

The facilitation of genocide, is also the basis of the constant appeals from the United Nations, demanding that we accept millions of immigrants to help counter the low birth rate among Europeans. According to a report published in January 2000 by the population division of the United Nations in New York, under the title “Immigration replacement: A solution to declining and aging population,” Europe will need to accept 159,000,000 migrants by 2025.

the citing of such precise numbers is evidence of a premeditated plan. Clearly a low birth-rate can easily be reversed with appropriate measures to support families and it is equally clear that the introduction of alien genes will do nothing to preserve our genetic heritage but destroy it. The consequence of current policies promoting multiracialism is to create a weakened disparate population without national, historical or cultural cohesion. In short, the policies of the Kalergi plan have been and still are, the basis of official government policies intent upon the genocide of the Peoples of Europe, through mass immigration.

G. Brock Chisholm, a former director of the World Health Organization (OMS), demonstrated this well when he said: “What people everywhere need to do is to limit births and promote mixed marriages (between the different races), the outcome will be the creation of a single race throughout the world which can be directed by a central authority. “

Conclusions

If we look around us, the implementation of the Kalergi Plan seems to be at an advanced stage. We face Europe’s fusion with the Third World. The plague of interracial marriage produces each year thousands of young people of mixed race: ‘The children of Kalergi’. Under the dual pressures of misinformation and humanitarian stupefaction, promoted by the mass media, we Europeans are being taught to renounce our origins, and to renounce our national identity.

The servants of globalization are trying to convince us that to deny our identity, is a progressive and humanitarian act, that “racism” is wrong, because they want us all to be blind consumers. It is necessary, now more than ever, to counter the lies of the System, to awaken the revolutionary spirit among Europeans. Every one must be made aware of this truth, that European integration amounts to genocide. We have no other option, the alternative is national suicide.

Translator’s note: Although the reasons due to which Kalergi made the choices he made are of no particular interest to us, we will try to answer a question that will surely our readers have already asked: Why a European aristocrat with Flemish, Polish, Greek-Byzantine roots and even with some samurai blood in his veins (from his mother) was such body plans and organ in the hands of dark forces? The reasons, in our opinion, are multiple, idiosyncratic, psychological and … women.

We therefore observe a personality with strong snobbish attitudes, arrogance, and, allow me the term, “degenerate elitism.” Also, the fact that his mother was Asian, perhaps created internal conflicts and frustrations, something that can happen to people with such temperament. But the most decisive factor must have been the “proper teenager”, which incidentally of course, was beside him, and became his first woman (at age 13): The Jewess Ida Roland, who would later become a famous actress.

EUROPEAN COUNCIL

The award of the Coudenhove-Kalergi Prize to President Van Rompuy

On November 16th 2012, the President of the European Council, Herman Van Rompuy, was awarded the Coudenhove-Kalergi Prize, during a special conference in Vienna, to celebrate 90 years of pan-European movement. The prize is awarded every two years to leading personalities for their outstanding contribution to the process of European integration.

A decisive factor that helped him win the prize was the balanced way in which President Van Rompuy executed his duties in the new position of President of the European Council, which was established by the Treaty of Lisbon. He handled this particularly sensitive leading and coordinating role with a spirit of determination and reconciliation, while emphasis was also given to his skilful arbitration on European affairs and unfailing commitment to European moral values.

During his speech, Mr Van Rompuy described the unification of Europe as a peace project. This idea, which was also the objective of the work of Coudenhove-Kalergi, after 90 years is still important. The award bears the name of Count Richard Nicolaus von Coudenhove-Kalergi (1894-1972), philosopher, diplomat, publisher and founder of the Pan-European Movement (1923). Coudenhove-Kalergi was the pioneer of European integration and popularized the idea of a federal Europe with his work.

Among the winners of the award, the Federal Chancellor of Germany Angela Merkel (2010) and the President of Latvia Vaira Vike-Freiberga (2006), are included.

This article is a translation of an Italian article, originally posted on Identità.

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David Cole, white knight of the fascist alt right movement. Key and lock, a perfect fit. You have corrupted yourself beyond belief. Remember when you were a district leader and would welcome what you think of now as "mongrel races" as guests to your meetings? How far you have fallen, nayutas of miles away from your glory days.

-Chas.
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You talk about miscegenation, that Eugenics phrase that is so stupid it belies comprehension.

We are all out of Africa, and not that long ago: dozens of millennia, that's all.

The only serious genetic difference regarding the European migrants 50,000 years ago from the rest of the human race is that they interbred with Neanderthals. Skull cults: ugga nugga!

Talk about miscegenation: the Nazi elite Europeans are at the low end of racial purity, the black Africans at the high end of those surviving the extinction event called the Toba Catastrophe that caused migrations out of Africa 60,000 years ago of surviving populations.

What is called miscegenation is actually not such a bad thing, since racial science is utter crap, and the "wild type" in Biology is the healthy mix of genetic variation. Take a class, dude.

Your ignorance is simply unbearable.

-Chas.
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On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 1:45:25 PM UTC-7, kelpzoidzl wrote:
> delusions about nutty Japanese history used to present nutty ideas to uphold imaginary arguments that Nichiren would kick your ass over, two "normal" errors of facts annoy me.
>
> 1. Dengyo did NOT bring the Lotus Sutra to Japan. It was Prince Shotoku in the 6th century.

Dengyo brought the correct and unadulterated version of Kumarajiva's Lotus Sutra to Japan for the first time. Bad translations abound and adulterations and plagiarizing on top of those by the slanderous sects are further abundant.

Dengyo also retrieved an unadulterated version of the True Word sutras, which he used to bash the True Word priests in debate in front of the Emperor: they had edited sections of the Lotus Sutra into their copies to try to make the True Word sutras the supreme teaching.

>
> 2. The Armenian holocaust was far more then 800,000. More like 3 million.
>

Try and read more closely. Toynbee finished his report halfway through the genocide and that alerted the world to a genocide in progress for the first time in history: thanks to the British Government. There was no world outcry, beyond the British and some of the American press.

And by the way, your 3 million number is an outlier:

"The Armenian Genocide (Armenian: Հայոց ցեղասպանություն, Hayots tseghaspanutyun), also known as the Armenian Holocaust, was the Ottoman government's systematic extermination of 1.5 million Armenians [Note 2]"
- Wikipedia

[Note 2: Jones, Adam (2010). Genocide: A Comprehensive Introduction. Taylor & Francis. pp. 171–72. ISBN 978-0-203-84696-4. A resolution was placed before the IAGS membership to recognize the Greek and Assyrian/Chaldean components of the Ottoman genocide against Christians, alongside the Armenian strand of the genocide (which the IAGS has already formally acknowledged). The result, passed emphatically in December 2007 despite not inconsiderable opposition, was a resolution which I co-drafted, reading as follows: ...]

>
> No one, not Mark or anyone chanting Daimoku as primary practice are believers in Shinto. Nichiren including Shinto dieties on the Gohonzon, was not Shinto, but he was a Patriot. Nichiren himself discussed the use of Statues, with a copy of the Lotus Sutra or Gohonzon. Using a statue(s) as Nichiren said was perfectly fine, as long as the Gohonzon/Lotus Sutra was the center, whether necessary or not.
>

Wrong. Shinto is a syncretic religion, and Sanno Ichijitsu Shinto once encompassed all of Japanese Buddhism under one umbrella, with the manGod Ieyasu Tokugawa as God Almighty: and Nichiren Shu Minobu was the head temple of all the Nichiren sects including the Fuji School, which is how they received their very own mon-tsuki shinmon (crane symbol) with the same standardized shape as all the other shinmon for all the other temples in Japan.

That pernicious form of Shinto slander reformed all of Japanese temple Buddhism and set up for the very same ideology under the Emperor as the manGod during the Pacific War. The religious-political ideology the Tokugawa reigned from for two and one half centuries was simply modified to place the emperor back on top. The Asian Holocaust and devastation around the Pacific Rim was the result.

And by the way, the shoten zenjin (Buddhist Gods) are not "Shinto gods": that corrupted view is symptomatic of your disease.

And Nichiren Daishonin never said that statues should be placed in front of the Gohonzon on the altar, or inside the butsudan as Nichiren Shu does. You speak without "sutra in hand" and you are not to be accepted as speaking the truth, simply your own views.

From "The Opening of the Eyes", WND I, p. 263:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/30#para-237

. . I must observe sadly that, although it would be simple
. . enough to point out the error of the views propounded by
. . these men, if I did so, the people of today would not even
. . look in my direction. They would go on in their erroneous
. . ways and, in the end, would slander me to the ruler of the
. . country and put my life in jeopardy. NEVERTHELESS, OUR
. . MERCIFUL FATHER SHAKYAMUNI BUDDHA, WHEN HE FACED HIS END IN
. . THE GROVE OF SAL TREES, STATED AS HIS DYING INSTRUCTIONS
. . THAT WE ARE TO “RELY ON THE LAW AND NOT UPON PERSONS.” “NOT
. . RELYING UPON PERSONS” MEANS THAT WHEN PERSONS OF THE FIRST,
. . SECOND, THIRD, AND FOURTH RANKS PREACH, EVEN THOUGH THEY
. . ARE BODHISATTVAS SUCH AS UNIVERSAL WORTHY AND MANJUSHRĪ WHO
. . HAVE ATTAINED THE STAGE OF NEAR-PERFECT ENLIGHTENMENT, IF
. . THEY DO NOT PREACH WITH THE SUTRA IN HAND, THEN THEY ARE
. . NOT TO BE ACCEPTED.

> Even being unclear about Nichiren's True Identity and mistaken understanding Minobu or other people have, reciting the Daimoku is far more powerful. The same is true about N Shoshu or SOKAGAKKAI. Even heretical beliefs are erased by Daimoku. That is why the slander on ARBN is crazy.

We don't need another Yamazaki, David Cole, particularly one that hounded Mr. Williams to his death in a failed effort to acquire his denunciation of Sensei on the record. He denied you that, and remained loyal. And we don't need another fascist alt right white knight of the Klan, either.

-Chas.
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[JazzIs TvRicky]

From the sea

[Chas.]

Ricky IS STILL The Laziest Babbling Fraud In Nichiren Buddhism, EVER! +

On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 12:45:52 PM UTC-7, JazzIs TvRicky wrote:

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> No where in Nichiren’s Post Sado Teachings dose he equate the Recitation of Shakyamuni’s Lotus Sutra with “Faith”!
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> As I have said in the Debate on Gongyo as Practiced by Nichiren Buddhism Sects” your affinity towards Shakyamuni’s Lotus Sutra is proof of your lack of Faith in The Gohonzon of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo!
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> The Guilt Teachings of Gongyo as Practiced by Nichiren Buddhism Sects is evident in your insistence of going against Nichiren’s Teachings and promoting the sell of Gongyo Books which your SGI-USA CULT changes often and regularly!
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> You are a deceptive and devious Slanderer if Nichiren’s Teachings Chas
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> Sincerely Richard H Brown A Teacher 👨‍🏫 of The Law

As pre-Sado Island teachings go, they are illustrative of the supplemental practice Nichiren Daishonin continued to his death (recitation of part of the Hoben chapter and the Jigage verse section of the Juryo chapter), so I am getting it right and conversely it is you, Ricky who are the fraud.

Here are the Gosho passages refuting your ignorant rantings. In all of these post-Sado writings Nichiren Daishonin discusses doing gongyo as a filial act in appreciation of the Lotus Sutra and Shakyamuni Buddha who preached it (as the supplementary and not as the primary practice):

In 1275, "Reply to the Lay Priest Soya", WND I, p. 486:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/58#para-0

In 1275, "Letter to Hōren", WND I, p. 513, again on p. 516, again on p. 517, and finally on p. 518:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/62#para-74
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/62#para-95
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/62#para-104
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/62#para-105

In 1275, "New Year’s Greeting", WND II, p. 530:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-2/Content/243#para-1

In 1276, "The Fourteen Slanders", WND I, p. 756:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/92#para-4

In his 1276 autobiography of the Sado history, "The Actions of the Votary of the Lotus Sutra", WND I, p. 768:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/93#para-25

In 1280, "On Filial and Unfilial Conduct", WND I p. 1033:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/146#para-0

In 1280, "White Horses and White Swans", WND I, p. 1066 second paragraph, and again on the same page, fourth paragraph:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/152#para-1
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/152#para-3

Finally, at the end of 1280 and less than two years before his death, "Reply to the Mother of Ueno", WND I, p. 1072:
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/wnd-1/Content/154#para-0

The fact that you have made destroying Nichiren Daishonin's practice of Gongyo your cause celebre and that second fact that Nichiren Daishonin's own writings utterly refute you over and over, exposes the third fact that YOU, RICKY, ARE UNIQUE AS THE SINGLE LAZIEST BABBLING FRAUDULENT COMMENTATOR ON THE SUBJECT OF NICHIREN DAISHONIN'S PRACTICE OF THE BUDDHISM OF THE LOTUS SUTRA, EVER!

-Chas.
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On Wednesday, November 1, 2017 at 10:56:27 PM UTC-7, JazzIs TvRicky wrote:
> DAVE your presentations are more than welcome for instance: Nichiren The Buddhist Prophet is a most enlightening work so much valuable information and truly a work capturing Nichiren Daishonin’s Spirit of Faith!
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> Thank you for taking the time to share and inform those of us who are not intimidated by those who have valuable contributions to the Spread of Nichiren Daishonin’s Teachings
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> Sincerely Richard

Ricky, your attempts to deflect won't work. Your position on Gongyo is an affront to anyone who actually bothers to read the Gosho, everyone now knows this:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/4bHXAXgoy2I/kp9V18iOAgAJ

Let's see if you can respond intelligently this time.

-Chas.
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On Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 9:27:56 AM UTC-7, JazzIs TvRicky wrote:
> My position on Gongyo is Nichiren’s Teachings not mine your ignorance of Nichiren’s Teachings are not my fault Chas your lack of capacity in Study is grounded in prejudice and habit!
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> Gongyo is your Gohonzon not The Gohonzon of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo! Which you and Your Soka Cult now deny as necessary in the practice of Nichiren Daishonin’s Buddhism! How pitiful
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Actually, as I have demonstrated in detail above:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/4bHXAXgoy2I/kp9V18iOAgAJ

Your position on Gongyo REQUIRES THAT YOU COMPLETELY IGNORE NICHIREN DAISHONIN"S TEACHINGS.

Your foolishness based solely upon your blatant and blind, willful ignorance is your trademark, Ricky.

-Chas.
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On Sunday, November 5, 2017 at 8:18:34 PM UTC-8, JazzIs TvRicky wrote:
> Chas the Gohonzon Burner and Statue Worshippers Guru! Nichiren is not God Chas. Read his teachings and stop with the deification off Shayamuni’s Lotus Sutra!

Now you have REALLY gone around the bend, Ricky. (1) I would be the last person in the world to do the dishonor to ANY HUMAN BEING by deifying them: which to me really means dehumanizing them. There are of course a large number of people who stand against deification of any sort, but I say that I would be the VERY LAST ONE (2) simply because it is in my nature to ignore social pressure of any sort. And that goes all the way back to my childhood. Finally (3) I think you have to be a nice person (the opposite of a hater) to want to make a God out of someone, and I am CLEARLY NOT A NICE PERSON.

Hence your current theorem about me does not pass the initial inspection by any 12-year-old, and what does that say about you?

-Chas.
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On Sunday, November 5, 2017 at 11:53:31 AM UTC-8, JazzIs TvRicky wrote:

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> I am A Thus Come One!
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> Sincerely Richard H Brown A Teacher 👨‍🏫 of The Law

While it is clear from Nichiren Daishonin that the common mortal is the true Buddha, it is also clear from your laziness and utter foolishness that you are not a "Teacher of the Law", nor are you a "Thus Come One" and you are extremely unlikely to become one in this lifetime.

I do, however, predict in a vastly distant future that you will become that kind of great Buddha by virtue of your extremely poison drum relationship with the Lotus Sutra, your absolute hatred of Nichiren Daishonin and his teachings and your animus towards the Kosen Rufu movement in the SGI.

-Chas.
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