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Anon

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Nov 17, 2008, 12:36:47 AM11/17/08
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ABChung deceives himself again

Any one can say 'Jesus is LORD' but not everyone is fool enough to do so

martin

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/c99eb041e49dd5e1
>
> Non-christian: "Show me LORD Almighty GOD."
>
> Christian: "Jesus is LORD."
>
> Non-christian: "So what?"
>
> Christian: "Would not have been able to say that without GOD's help."
>
> Non-christian: "Anyone can say that."
>
> Christian: "Ok, go ahead and do it for me."
>
> Non-christian: "I can't say anything that is untrue."
>
> Christian: "Ok, please say 'Santa Claus lives at the North Pole' for
> me."
>
> Non-christian: "Santa Claus lives at the North Pole."
>
> Christian: "See you can say things that you believe to be untrue. So
> now, go ahead and try to say 'Jesus is LORD' for me."

Of course. idiot, everyone knows he lives in Lapland!

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Nov 17, 2008, 3:07:17 AM11/17/08
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martin wrote:

> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > Behold in wide-eyed wonder and amazement:
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/c99eb041e49dd5e1
> >
> > Non-christian: "Show me LORD Almighty GOD."
> >
> > Christian: "Jesus is LORD."
> >
> > Non-christian: "So what?"
> >
> > Christian: "Would not have been able to say that without GOD's help."
> >
> > Non-christian: "Anyone can say that."
> >
> > Christian: "Ok, go ahead and do it for me."
> >
> > Non-christian: "I can't say anything that is untrue."
> >
> > Christian: "Ok, please say 'Santa Claus lives at the North Pole' for
> > me."
> >
> > Non-christian: "Santa Claus lives at the North Pole."
>
> Of course. idiot, everyone knows he lives in Lapland!

Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
you to unwittingly reveal that you also are unable to publicly say
"Jesus is LORD" though you are able to publicly say nearly everything
else :-)

<><

"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/43acbc5ea248ceee?

Anon

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Sla#s

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Nov 17, 2008, 6:07:03 AM11/17/08
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
<SNIP>

> Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling
> you to unwittingly reveal that you also are unable to publicly say
> "Jesus is LORD" though you are able to publicly say nearly everything
> else :-)
>
> <><
@=8:-\

>
> "... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
> 12:3)
>

Rubbish - Anyone can. Even an atheist - it's all in the punctuation -
Watch...

"Jesus is Lord?" Bollocks!

Or in Scotland (a lot of folk south of Gretna won't understand this).

"Jesus is Lord?" Aye, right pal!

Slatts

guardian Snow

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Nov 17, 2008, 7:00:43 AM11/17/08
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On Nov 17, 8:21 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
wrote:

What a brilliant plan despairing sock puppet chungfred... spam all the
Christian groups and cross link them to alt.atheism so that none of
those stupid Christian post are read from google..

I'm sure the atheist are going to love you:) Keep up the good
work ... nobody will want to read those stupid Christian threads
anymore... spam them a lot more.. don't want that gospel message
getting out to people after all.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Sla#s

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Nov 17, 2008, 11:28:39 AM11/17/08
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:


And...?

Slatts

Phoenix Rising

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On Nov 17, 1:23 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
wrote:

I COMMAND YOU Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD, servant of sin, spawn of HELL
by the name of YOUR TRUE MASTER AND LORD SATAN, TO CONTINUE TO SPAM.
EVERY SPAM YOU PUT OUT WILL BE EVIDENCE OF YOUR LEAGUE WITH SATAN.
SHOW YOUR LOYALTY TO YOUR MASTER AND LORD SATAN BY SPAMMING EVERYBODY.
EVERY SPAM YOU PUT OUT WILL BE A SIGN OF YOUR LOVE OF SATAN.
EVERY GROUP YOU SPAM WILL KNOW THE TRUE POWER THAT LORD SATAN HAS OVER
YOU CHUNG.
CONTINUE TO SPAM, I ORDER IT. DO NOT STOP SPAMMING. YOU SERVE ME
SLAVE AND SATAN IS YOUR MASTER AND YOU WILL NEVER, EVER STOP SPAMMING
WORTHLESS SOCKPUPPET OF HELL.
INCLUDE IN EVERY POST JESUS IS LORD AND SHOW YOUR LOYALTY TO SATAN.
PUT FISH SYMBOLS AND LINKS AND SHOW YOUR LOYALTY TO LORD SATAN.

SHOW THE WORLD YOU BOW ONLY TO LORD SATAN... CONTINUE TO SPAM SLAVE OF
SIN

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Sla#s wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
> >
>
> And...?

When you hear someone say "Jesus is LORD," you have witnessed
firsthand the work of GOD.

John Locke

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Nov 17, 2008, 1:16:12 PM11/17/08
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...looks like he might be possessed. Possibly by the an evil spirit or
maybe even an alien implant. Or maybe he's mutated and we finally have
hard evidence for the natural diversion of a new species.

___________________________________________________

"I don't think we're here for anything, we're
just products of evolution. You can say 'Gee,
your life must be pretty bleak if you don't think
there's a purpose' but I'm anticipating a good lunch."

-Dr. James Watson, American biologist, (Discoverer of DNA.)

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Nov 17, 2008, 1:31:01 PM11/17/08
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John Locke wrote:
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>
> ><hiss sputter hiss hiss>

> >
> >
> ...looks like he might be possessed. Possibly by the an evil spirit or
> maybe even an alien implant. Or maybe he's mutated and we finally have
> hard evidence for the natural diversion of a new species.

No, satan is simply a fool as are all others who have unwisely
blasphemed against the Holy Spirit:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9c5c55fcace06864?

Sla#s

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Nov 17, 2008, 1:49:09 PM11/17/08
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Sla#s wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
>>>
>>
>> And...?
>
> When you hear someone say "Jesus is LORD," you have witnessed
> firsthand the work of GOD.
>

No. I have witnessed a delusion in action.
When you provide evidence to the contary I might believe you.
However I haven't seen any in my 62 years and neither has anyone else in the
last two thousand.

Slatts

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Sla#s wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Sla#s wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >>
> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
> >>>
> >>
> >> And...?
> >
> > When you hear someone say "Jesus is LORD," you have witnessed
> > firsthand the work of GOD.
> >
>
> No. I have witnessed a delusion in action.

Speech is not delusion.

Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for His compelling

you to unwittingly update folks on your continuing to be unable to
publicly say "Jesus is LORD."

Suggested reading for the others who have been captivated by this
discussion:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

<><

"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/43acbc5ea248ceee?


Tom

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Nov 17, 2008, 2:25:13 PM11/17/08
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"Sla#s" <ph...@KNOTslatts.net> wrote in message
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Then you have never met me......
Tom

Virgil

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Nov 17, 2008, 2:47:34 PM11/17/08
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The rotund ABChung is hung up on his own obesity

Virgil

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Anon

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Virgil

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Anon

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In article
<73816efc-c139-499b...@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,

"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:

> Sla#s wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > Sla#s wrote:
> > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> And...?
> > >
> > > When you hear someone say "Jesus is LORD," you have witnessed
> > > firsthand the work of GOD.
> > >
> >
> > No. I have witnessed a delusion in action.
>
> Speech is not delusion.

But assertions made in such speech very well may be.

And until all who kowtow to one or more of the various gods can agree on
which god or gods are the relevant ones, some of them have to be
delusions.

So what distinguishes your god(s) from other gods, Andy?

How do you know that it isn't some other god which if the "true" one?

Bill M

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:4c53ed54-bf3d-4b84...@v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com...

> John Locke wrote:
>> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>>
>> ><hiss sputter hiss hiss>
>> >
>> >
>> ...looks like he might be possessed. Possibly by the an evil spirit or
>> maybe even an alien implant. Or maybe he's mutated and we finally have
>> hard evidence for the natural diversion of a new species.
>
> No, satan is simply a fool as are all others who have unwisely
> blasphemed against the Holy Spirit:

No. Satan, just like Gods, is a creature of peoples imaginations. Neither
one actually exists!

Fred Thomas

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:0561f875-e4c9-4d1f...@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> convicted neighbor Bill M wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> > John Locke wrote:
>> >> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>> >>
>> >> ><hiss sputter hiss hiss>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> ...looks like he might be possessed. Possibly by the an evil spirit or
>> >> maybe even an alien implant. Or maybe he's mutated and we finally have
>> >> hard evidence for the natural diversion of a new species.
>> >
>> > No, satan is simply a fool as are all others who have unwisely
>> > blasphemed against the Holy Spirit:
>>
>> No. Satan, just like Gods, is a creature of peoples imaginations. Neither
>> one actually exists!
>
> You are most certainly welcome to offer an alternative explanation for
> why you are unable to publicly say "Jesus is LORD."
>
> Meanwhile, in the Holy Spirit, I know the reason why you are unable to
> publicly say "Jesus is LORD" is because GOD is not allowing it:

It can then be assumed you still believe the teaching of the church that the sun
orbits the earth. You can let that one go, Galileo was right.

>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Nov 17, 2008, 7:11:14 PM11/17/08
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Fred Thomas wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > Fred Thomas wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> > convicted neighbor Bill M wrote:
> >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> >> > John Locke wrote:
> >> >> >> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> ><hiss sputter hiss hiss>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> ...looks like he might be possessed. Possibly by the an evil spirit or
> >> >> >> maybe even an alien implant. Or maybe he's mutated and we finally have
> >> >> >> hard evidence for the natural diversion of a new species.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > No, satan is simply a fool as are all others who have unwisely
> >> >> > blasphemed against the Holy Spirit:
> >> >>
> >> >> No. Satan, just like Gods, is a creature of peoples imaginations. Neither
> >> >> one actually exists!
> >> >
> >> > You are most certainly welcome to offer an alternative explanation for
> >> > why you are unable to publicly say "Jesus is LORD."
> >> >
> >> > Meanwhile, in the Holy Spirit, I know the reason why you are unable to
> >> > publicly say "Jesus is LORD" is because GOD is not allowing it:
> >>
> >> It can then be assumed you still believe the teaching of the church that the
> >> sun orbits the earth.
> >
> > Your not being able to publicly say "Jesus is LORD" is not related to
> > the teaching of any church. Instead, this is the result of what GOD
> > wants (WDJW):
> >
>
> Which god?

The One Who created time and therefore is not subject to it:

"I am" -- LORD Almighty GOD

Amen.

Bottom line concerning your being unable to publicly say "Jesus is
LORD:"

I

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"Tom" <To...@home.con> wrote:

>> a delusion
...
> me......
> Tom


Tom has addled his brain in the following manner:

" a dope fiend.
And an acid chemist.... (LSD, Vera)
...growing marijuana....peyote....San Pedro cactus.....
Carrying two guns at all times, =illegally=.
Stealing,
Sleeping with another man's wife,
Sleeping with another another man's wife,
Trying to kill two boys I went to school with....
Sleeping with a 14yo girl,
running red lights at 145mph/232kph while drunk, (not fast for the
Autobahn?!)
Buddhism,
Witchcraft,
Hinduism,
Communism,
Assault with a Deadly Weapon,
Illegally Carrying a Concealed Deadly Weapon,"

Which, of course, means that one should take with a grain of salt ANY claim
that Tom makes as his puny Fundamentalist drug addled brain doesn't function
too well.


SOURCE:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Oct 25, 8:07 pm

Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist, alt.bible.prophecy,
alt.christnet.theology, alt.christnet.christianlife,
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic
From: "Tom" <To...@home.con>
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 20:07:02 -0500
Local: Sat, Oct 25 2008 8:07 pm
Subject: Re: The Grace Pharisees
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Tom is a sociopath witha gun fetish and a fundamentalist hypocrite.

TOM'S ROTTEN FRUIT IS:
- hate / hatred
- sorrow
- state of war
- impatience
- unkindness
- badness / evil
- harshness
- infidelity / unfaithfulness
- lack of self constraint

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Fundamentalists seem aimed at making themselves feel better by placing all
negative and destructive emotions in people with different beliefs, and
enjoying the golden glow of self-justification that results. ... You know
that simile: 'As rare as a Fundamentalist who loves his enemy.' ... the
Inquisition did largely miss the point of 'Love Thy Neighbour', didn't they?
Wasn't burning heretics 'worse' than being tolerant towards them? ...

from "LIFE ...and how to survive it" - Robin Skinner & John Cleese (Methuen;
London:1993) p. 287

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Fred Thomas

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
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Oh then you mean Cronus!


Virgil

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So long as peoples worship diverse gods, and each claim that their own
god to be the one and only god, those who worship none of them are well
out of a foolish dispute.

Virgil

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Virgil

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Virgil

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Don't know anyone by that name.

Anon

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So long as peoples worship diverse gods, and each worshipper claims
his/her own god to be the one and only god, those who worship none of

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Fred Thomas

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
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And you claim to be educated!

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

> >> >> Which god?
> >> >
> >> > The One Who created time and therefore is not subject to it:
> >>
> >> Oh then you mean Cronus!
> >
> > Don't know anyone by that name.
> >
>
> And you claim to be educated!

Fictional characters are not people.

Truth is simple.

Fred Thomas

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
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For once you have said truth. Jesus is a myth or at least a legend.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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This remains usenet, which is a text-based medium where though much is
written and posted, nothing is said.

> Jesus is a myth or at least a legend.

What you have written is meaningless because it comes from someone who
is unable to publicly say "Jesus is LORD." (Ecclesiastes)

Anon

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So long as peoples worship diverse gods, and each worshipper claims
his/her own god to be the one and only god, those who worship none of
them are well out of those foolish disputes over whose "god" is "God".

Anon

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Nicodemus

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Virgil <ony...@gmale.com> wrote in news:onymous-6C4180.17340917112008
@news.usenetmonster.com:

> So long as peoples worship diverse gods, and each claim that their own
> god to be the one and only god, those who worship none of them are well
> out of a foolish dispute.
>

There Is Truly Only One God.

Who speaks to your Eternal Spiritual Heart.

Fred Thomas

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"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
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And you lead the way!

>> Jesus is a myth or at least a legend.
>
> What you have written is meaningless because it comes from someone who
> is unable to publicly say "Jesus is LORD." (Ecclesiastes)
>

No more meaningless than your dribble.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Anon

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XaurreauX

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On Nov 18, 4:40 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emory.edu>
wrote:

> "... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor 12:3)

Well, I can come close: Jesus is Lloyd.

Fred Thomas

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Yea they can, stop the crap.
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emory.edu> wrote in message
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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XaurreauX wrote:

> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > "... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor 12:3)
>
> Well, I can come close: Jesus is Lloyd.

As folks commonly say, "close counts only in throwing horseshoes and
in shaving."

Bottom line concerning your condition:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

<><

"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/43acbc5ea248ceee?

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?

Hunger is wonderful ! ! !

It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f43db72a7c5c1da0?

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?

Be hungrier, which is truly healthier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
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Anon

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Anon

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So long as peoples worship diverse gods, and each worshipper claims
his/her own god to be the one and only god and other gods are all false,
those who see all of them as false are well out of those foolish

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Virgil

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Cisco

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On Nov 23, 6:01 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
wrote:

Sounds like the rhetoric of the Bush administration..
..No small wonder it already has two stars upon thars!

"Let them eat cake!"

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Cisco

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Cisco

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Proselytizing is a sin!

Cheers..

;-)

duke

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There's only one God.

The Dukester, American-American
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Pope Paul VI
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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duke wrote:
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>
> >So long as peoples worship diverse gods, and each worshipper claims
> >his/her own god to be the one and only god and other gods are all false,
> >those who see all of them as false are well out of those foolish
> >disputes over whose "god" is "God".
>
> There's only one God.

Correct:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

May you and other dear friends, brethren, and neighbors have a

Anon

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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satan via another sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> friend duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
> > satan via another sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted::

> >
> >>So long as peoples worship diverse gods, and each worshipper claims
> >>his/her own god to be the one and only god and other gods are all false,
> >>those who see all of them as false are well out of those foolish
> >>disputes over whose "god" is "God".
> >
> >There's only one God.
>
> There is less than that.

Indeed, you are much less than that.

May we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile), continue to
be mindful of WDJW by rebuking you at each GOD-given opportunity as
GOD desires:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/298d4d9131be066d?

Anon

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Psychiatry does/should not have the authority to deal with diverse
religious convictions. Psychiatry, itself, is basically secular,
and has not within the means to determine the correctness or
otherwise of religious ideas.

Disagreements about religious issues should not involve abusive
language and physical violence.
If that does arise, and where appropriate.
the civil courts should deal with those outcomes.

As disagreements are worked through
the truth or otherwise of one side or the other
should become apparent
or if resolution does not come
then it must be a matter of 'agreeing to differ' for the time being.

Gladys Swager

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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s...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:

Suggested reading for you and others reading this thread:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b5a8ec8e571a9de5?

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Anon

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http://arts.cuhk.edu.hk/humftp/E-text/Russell/agnostic.htm

What is an Agnostic?
Bertrand Russell


What Is an agnostic?

An agnostic thinks it impossible to know the truth in matters such as
God
and the future life with which Christianity and other religions are
concerned. Or, if not impossible, at least impossible at the present
time.


Are agnostics atheists?

No. An atheist, like a Christian, holds that we can know whether or not
there is a God. The Christian holds that we can know there is a God; the
atheist, that we can know there is not. The Agnostic suspends judgment,
saying that there are not sufficient grounds either for affirmation or
for denial. At the same time, an Agnostic may hold that the existence of
God, though not impossible, is very improbable; he may even hold it so
improbable that it is not worth considering in practice. In that case,
he
is not far removed from atheism. His attitude may be that which a
careful
philosopher would have towards the gods of ancient Greece. If I were
asked to prove that Zeus and Poseidon and Hera and the rest of the
Olympians do not exist, I should be at a loss to find conclusive
arguments. An Agnostic may think the Christian God as improbable as the
Olympians; in that case, he is, for practical purposes, at one with the
atheists.


Since you deny `God's Law', what authority do you accept as a guide to
conduct?

An Agnostic does not accept any `authority' in the sense in which
religious people do. He holds that a man should think out questions of
conduct for himself. Of course, he will seek to profit by the wisdom of
others, but he will have to select for himself the people he is to
consider wise, and he will not regard even what they say as
unquestionable. He will observe that what passes as `God's law' varies
from time to time. The Bible says both that a woman must not marry her
deceased husband's brother, and that, in certain circumstances, she must
do so. If you have the misfortune to be a childless widow with an
unmarried brother-in-law, it is logically impossible for you to avoid
disobeying `God's law'.


How do you know what is good and what is evil? What does an agnostic
consider a sin?

The Agnostic is not quite so certain as some Christians are as to what
is
good and what is evil. He does not hold, as most Christians in the past
held, that people who disagree with the government on abstruse points of
theology ought to suffer a painful death. He is against persecution, and
rather chary of moral condemnation.

As for `sin', he thinks it not a useful notion. He admits, of course,
that some kinds of conduct are desirable and some undesirable, but he
holds that the punishment of undesirable kinds is only to be commended
when it is deterrent or reformatory, not when it is inflicted because it
is thought a good thing on its own account that the wicked should
suffer.
It was this belief in vindictive punishment that made men accept Hell.
This is part of the harm done by the notion of `sin'.


Does an agnostic do whatever he pleases?

In one sense, no; in another sense, everyone does whatever he pleases.
Suppose, for example, you hate someone so much that you would like to
murder him. Why do you not do so? You may reply: "Because religion tells
me that murder is a sin." But as a statistical fact, agnostics are not
more prone to murder than other people, in fact, rather less so. They
have the same motives for abstaining from murder as other people have.
Far and away the most powerful of these motives is the fear of
punishment. In lawless conditions, such as a gold rush, all sorts of
people will commit crimes, although in ordinary circumstances they would
have been law-abiding. There is not only actual legal punishment; there
is the discomfort of dreading discovery, and the loneliness of knowing
that, to avoid being hated, you must wear a mask with even your closest
intimates. And there is also what may be called "conscience": If you
ever
contemplated a murder, you would dread the horrible memory of your
victim's last moments or lifeless corpse. All this, it is true, depends
upon your living in a law-abiding community, but there are abundant
secular reasons for creating and preserving such a community.

I said that there is another sense in which every man does as he
pleases.
No one but a fool indulges every impulse, but what holds a desire in
check is always some other desire. A man's anti-social wishes may be
restrained by a wish to please God, but they may also be restrained by a
wish to please his friends, or to win the respect of his community, or
to
be able to contemplate himself without disgust. But if he has no such
wishes, the mere abstract concepts of morality will not keep him
straight.


How does an agnostic regard the Bible?

An agnostic regards the Bible exactly as enlightened clerics regard it.
He does not think that it is divinely inspired; he thinks its early
history legendary, and no more exactly true than that in Homer; he
thinks
its moral teaching sometimes good, but sometimes very bad. For example:
Samuel ordered Saul, in a war, to kill not only every man, woman, and
child of the enemy, but also all the sheep and cattle. Saul, however,
let
the sheep and the cattle live, and for this we are told to condemn him.
I
have never been able to admire Elisha for cursing the children who
laughed at him, or to believe (what the Bible asserts) that a benevolent
Deity would send two she-bears to kill the children.


How does an agnostic regard Jesus, the Virgin Birth, and the Holy
Trinity?

Since an agnostic does not believe in God, he cannot think that Jesus
was
God. Most agnostics admire the life and moral teachings of Jesus as told
in the Gospels, but not necessarily more than those of certain other
men.
Some would place him on a level with Buddha, some with Socrates and some
with Abraham Lincoln. Nor do they think that what He said is not open to
question, since they do not accept any authority as absolute.

They regard the Virgin Birth as a doctrine taken over from pagan
mythology, where such births were not uncommon. (Zoroaster was said to
have been born of a virgin; Ishtar, the Babylonian goddess, is called
the
Holy Virgin.) They cannot give credence to it, or to the doctrine of the
Trinity, since neither is possible without belief in God.


Can an agnostic be a Christian?

The word "Christian" has had various different meanings at different
times. Throughout most of the centuries since the time of Christ, it has
meant a person who believed God and immortality and held that Christ was
God. But Unitarians call themselves Christians, although they do not
believe in the divinity of Christ, and many people nowadays use the word
"God" in a much less precise sense than that which it used to bear. Many
people who say they believe in God no longer mean a person, or a trinity
of persons, but only a vague tendency or power or purpose immanent in
evolution. Others, going still further, mean by "Christianity" merely a
system of ethics which, since they are ignorant of history, they imagine
to be characteristic of Christians only.

When, in a recent book, I said that what the world needs is "love,
Christian love, or compassion," many people thought this showed some
changes in my views, although in fact, I might have said the same thing
at any time. If you mean by a "Christian" a man who loves his neighbor,
who has wide sympathy with suffering, and who ardently desires a world
freed from the cruelties and abominations which at present disfigure it,
then, certainly, you will be justified in calling me a Christian. And,
in
this sense, I think you will find more "Christians" among agnostics than
among the orthodox. But, for my part, I cannot accept such a definition.
Apart from other objections to it, it seems rude to Jews, Buddhists,
Mohammedans, and other non-Christians, who, so far as history shows,
have
been at least as apt as Christians to practice the virtues which some
modern Christians arrogantly claim as distinctive of their own religion.

I think also that all who called themselves Christians in an earlier
time, and a great majority of those who do so at the present day, would
consider that belief in God and immortality is essential to a Christian.
On these grounds, I should not call myself a Christian, and I should say
that an agnostic cannot be a Christian. But, if the word "Christianity"
comes to be generally used to mean merely a kind of morality, then it
will certainly be possible for an agnostic to be a Christian.


Does an agnostic deny that man has a soul?

This question has no precise meaning unless we are given a definition of
the word "soul." I suppose what is meant is, roughly, something
nonmaterial which persists throughout a person's life and even, for
those
who believe in immortality, throughout all future time. If this is what
is meant, an agnostic is not likely to believe that man has a soul. But
I
must hasten to add that this does not mean that an agnostic must be a
materialist. Many agnostics (including myself) are quite as doubtful of
the body as they are of the soul, but this is a long story taking one
into difficult metaphysics. Mind and matter alike, I should say, are
only
convenient symbols in discourse, not actually existing things.


Does an agnostic believe in a hereafter, in Heaven or Hell?

The question whether people survive death is one as to which evidence is
possible. Psychical research and spiritualism are thought by many to
supply such evidence. An agnostic, as such, does not take a view about
survival unless he thinks that there is evidence one way or the other.
For my part, I do not think there is any good reason to believe that we
survive death, but I am open to conviction if adequate evidence should
appear.

Heaven and hell are a different matter. Belief in hell is bound up with
the belief that the vindictive punishment of sin is a good thing, quite
independently of any reformative or deterrent effect that it may have.
Hardly an agnostic believes this. As for heaven, there might conceivably
someday be evidence of its existence through spiritualism, but most
agnostics do not think that there is such evidence, and therefore do not
believe in heaven.


Are you never afraid of God's judgment in denying Him?

Most certainly not. I also deny Zeus and Jupiter and Odin and Brahma,
but
this causes me no qualms. I observe that a very large portion of the
human race does not believe in God and suffers no visible punishment in
consequence. And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He
would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt
His
existence.


How do agnostics explain the beauty and harmony of nature?

I do not understand where this "beauty" and "harmony" are supposed to be
found. Throughout the animal kingdom, animals ruthlessly prey upon each
other. Most of them are either cruelly killed by other animals or slowly
die of hunger. For my part, I am unable to see any great beauty or
harmony in the tapeworm. Let it not be said that this creature is sent
as
a punishment for our sins, for it is more prevalent among animals than
among humans. I suppose the questioner is thinking of such things as the
beauty of the starry heavens. But one should remember that stars every
now and again explode and reduce everything in their neighborhood to a
vague mist. Beauty, in any case, is subjective and exists only in the
eye
of the beholder.


How do agnostics explain miracles and other revelations of God's
omnipotence?

Agnostics do not think that there is any evidence of "miracles" in the
sense of happenings contrary to natural law. We know that faith healing
occurs and is in no sense miraculous. At Lourdes, certain diseases can
be
cured and others cannot. Those that can be cured at Lourdes can probably
be cured by any doctor in whom the patient has faith. As for the records
of other miracles, such as Joshua commanding the sun to stand still, the
agnostic dismisses them as legends and points to the fact that all
religions are plentifully supplied with such legends. There is just as
much miraculous evidence for the Greek gods in Homer as for the
Christian
God in the Bible.


There have been base and cruel passions, which religion opposes. If you
abandon religious principles, could mankind exist?

The existence of base and cruel passions is undeniable, but I find no
evidence in history that religion has opposed these passions. On the
contrary, it has sanctified them, and enabled people to indulge them
without remorse. Cruel persecutions have been commoner in Christendom
than anywhere else. What appears to justify persecution is dogmatic
belief. Kindliness and tolerance only prevail in proportion as dogmatic
belief decays. In our day, a new dogmatic religion, namely, communism,
has arisen. To this, as to other systems of dogma, the agnostic is
opposed. The persecuting character of present day communism is exactly
like the persecuting character of Christianity in earlier centuries. In
so far as Christianity has become less persecuting, this is mainly due
to
the work of freethinkers who have made dogmatists rather less dogmatic.
If they were as dogmatic now as in former times, they would still think
it right to burn heretics at the stake. The spirit of tolerance which
some modern Christians regard as essentially Christian is, in fact, a
product of the temper which allows doubt and is suspicious of absolute
certainties. I think that anybody who surveys past history in an
impartial manner will be driven to the conclusion that religion has
caused more suffering than it has prevented.


What is the meaning of life to the agnostic?

I feel inclined to answer by another question: What is the meaning of
`the meaning of life'? I suppose what is intended is some general
purpose. I do not think that life in general has any purpose. It just
happened. But individual human beings have purposes, and there is
nothing
in agnosticism to cause them to abandon these purposes. They cannot, of
course, be certain of achieving the results at which they aim; but you
would think ill of a soldier who refused to fight unless victory was
certain. The person who needs religion to bolster up his own purposes is
a timorous person, and I cannot think as well of him as of the man who
takes his chances, while admitting that defeat is not impossible.


Does not the denial of religion mean the denial of marriage and chastity?

Here again, one must reply by another question: Does the man who asks
this question believe that marriage and chastity contribute to earthly
happiness here below, or does he think that, while they cause misery
here
below, they are to be advocated as means of getting to heaven? The man
who takes the latter view will no doubt expect agnosticism to lead to a
decay of what he calls virtue, but he will have to admit that what he
calls virtue is not what ministers to the happiness of the human race
while on earth. If, on the other hand, he takes the former view, namely,
that there are terrestrial arguments in favor of marriage and chastity,
he must also hold that these arguments are such as should appeal to the
agnostic. Agnostics, as such, have no distinctive views about sexual
morality. But most of them would admit that there are valid arguments
against the unbridled indulgence of sexual desires. They would derive
these arguments, however, from terrestrial sources and not from supposed
divine commands.


Is not faith in reason alone a dangerous creed? Is not reason imperfect
and inadequate without spiritual and moral law?

No sensible man, however agnostic, has "faith in reason alone." Reason
is
concerned with matters of fact, some observed, some inferred. The
question whether there is a future life and the question whether there
is
a God concern matters of fact, and the agnostic will hold that they
should be investigated in the same way as the question, "Will there be
an
eclipse of the moon tomorrow?" But matters of fact alone are not
sufficient to determine action, since they do not tell us what ends we
ought to pursue. In the realm of ends, we need something other than
reason. The agnostic will find his ends in his own heart and not in an
external command. Let us take an illustration: Suppose you wish to
travel
by train from New York to Chicago; you will use reason to discover when
the trains run, and a person who though that there was some faculty of
insight or intuition enabling him to dispense with the timetable would
be
thought rather silly. But no timetable will tell him that it is wise, he
will have to take account of further matters of fact; but behind all the
matters of fact, there will be the ends that he thinks fitting to
pursue,
and these, for an agnostic as for other men, belong to a realm which is
not that of reason, though it should be in no degree contrary to it. The
realm I mean is that of emotion and feeling and desire.


Do you regard all religions as forms of superstition or dogma? Which of
the existing religions do you most respect, and why?

All the great organized religions that have dominated large populations
have involved a greater or less amount of dogma, but "religion" is a
word
of which the meaning is not very definite. Confucianism, for instance,
might be called a religion, although it involves no dogma. And in some
forms of liberal Christianity, the element of dogma is reduced to a
minimum.

Of the great religions of history, I prefer Buddhism, especially in its
earliest forms, because it has had the smallest element of persecution.


Communism like agnosticism opposes religion, are agnostics Communists?

Communism does not oppose religion. It merely opposes the Christian
religion, just as Mohammedanism does. Communism, at least in the form
advocated by the Soviet Government and the Communist Party, is a new
system of dogma of a peculiarly virulent and persecuting sort. Every
genuine Agnostic must therefore be opposed to it.


Do agnostics think that science and religion are impossible to reconcile?

The answer turns upon what is meant by `religion'. If it means merely a
system of ethics, it can be reconciled with science. If it means a
system
of dogma, regarded as unquestionably true, it is incompatible with the
scientific spirit, which refuses to accept matters of fact without
evidence, and also holds that complete certainty is hardly ever
impossible.


What kind of evidence could convince you that God exists?

I think that if I heard a voice from the sky predicting all that was
going to happen to me during the next twenty-four hours, including
events
that would have seemed highly improbable, and if all these events then
produced to happen, I might perhaps be convinced at least of the
existence of some superhuman intelligence. I can imagine other evidence
of the same sort which might convince me, but so far as I know, no such
evidence exists.

--
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of
human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still
primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."
- Albert Einstein

http://www.apatheticagnostic.com/

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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swa...@ozemail.com.au

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On Dec 6, 8:35 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:

> s...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
>
> > Psychiatry does/should not have the authority to deal with diverse
> > religious convictions. Psychiatry, itself, is basically secular,
> > and has not within the means to determine the correctness or
> > otherwise of religious ideas.
> > Disagreements about religious issues should not involve abusive
> > language and physical violence.
> > If that does arise, and where appropriate.
> >  the civil courts should deal with those outcomes.
> > As disagreements are worked through
> > the truth or otherwise of one side or the other
> > should become apparent or if resolution does not come
> > then it must be a matter of 'agreeing to differ' for the time being.

> May you and other dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a


> blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus

> Christ as our Messiah, the Son of Man ...by being hungrier:


>
>Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
> It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
> want?" (WDJW):

> "Blessed are you who hunger NOW... for you will be satisfied."
-LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21) Amen.


>
> Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
> promoting much greater understanding:
>

Compare Mathew 5 : 6 Blessed are they that
***do hunger and thirst after righteousness***
for they shall be filled.
The reference has nothing to do with food.
It has much to do with holiness.

To eat less food is good advice when binge-eating
has become a way of life.
It can have very serious consequences when it becomes
the norm and the person does not have enough of and
the right foods for a healthy life.

Not eating breakfast when I was at High School
during World War II years
- my father had to ask me to help on the farm after
school as all yong men had been conscripted for war
service - (although my mother
had left it for me before she went to work on the farm
in the mornings)
and as I was rather plump and rosy cheeked,
it was not realised that there would be conseqencecs).
Anaemia (diagnosed in my first year of Teacher training)
that led to ten years of medications
from raw liver extract as a medicine from 1947
to injections by the late 1950's
and a debilitated state of health
from Rheumatic Fever (1948), and Psychiatric treatments
I should never have had.

But out of it I became the advocate of reform in respect
of those treatments from May 1975 through NSW and
the Federal Health Departments and proposed that
environmental factors could provide a means of prevention.

I did that after praying in St Andrew's Anglican Sydney Cathedral
in 1974 that cures and preventive method would be found
for Mental Illnesses.

God does bring blessings out of life's difficulties
when we put our trust in Him.

But
do be careful about your eat less be hungrier campaign.

>Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit."

1 Corinthians 12 : 3
Gladys Swager

Charles & Mambo Duckman

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> I did that after praying in St Andrew's Anglican Sydney Cathedral
> in 1974 that cures and preventive method would be found
> for Mental Illnesses.


It didn't work.


--
Come down off the cross
We can use the wood

Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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s...@ozemail.com.au wrote:

The Holy Spirit inspired Matthew, the tax-collector turned rabbi, to
write about spiritual hunger just as He inspired Luke, the doctor, to
write about physical hunger.

There is no discrepancy here because while we remain in this world,
our body and soul are connected by that "silver cord" described by
King Solomon in Ecclesiastes so that physical hunger and spiritual
hunger are two sides of the same coin ! ! !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZfcnX4yWbY

May you and other dear friends, brethren, and neighbors have a


blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus

Christ as our Messiah, the Son of Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?

Hunger is wonderful ! ! !

It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f43db72a7c5c1da0?

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?

Be hungrier, which is truly healthier:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><


--
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/188fd2ec63b3ba63?

Anon

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Any one can say 'Jesus is LORD' anywhere at any time but not everyone is
fool enough to do so.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,

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> s...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
> > I did that after praying in St Andrew's Anglican Sydney Cathedral in 1974 that cures and preventive method would be found
> > for Mental Illnesses.
>
> It didn't work.
>
It did work, but in an unanticipated way. I did not pray just
for myself, I had prayed for all others that better health information
would be given so that conditions classified as Mental
Illnesses would be minimised and also prevented.
Politicians and academics took up the issues in the media and through
research.

My own recovery came gradually through Vitamin-Mineral supplements and
many home and community activities with much prayer for strength to
endure the atmospheric vibes that were stimulated by the way the
politicians took the issues through the media.
That indicates that some persons, hopefully everyone in the future,
will not have to endure debiltationg conditions in their health.

Gladys Swager

swa...@ozemail.com.au

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On Dec 2, 8:39 am, duke wrote:

> On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 Anon wrote:
> >So long as peoples worship diverse gods, and each worshipper claims his/her own god to be the one and only god and other gods are all false, those who see all of them as false are well out of those foolish disputes over whose "god" is "God".
>
> There's only one God.
>
God is a spirit, and they that worship Him,
must worship him in spirit and truth. John 4 : 24

While there can be errors in other denominations of the Christian
Church it was the leaders of the Church at Rome, the Vatican who
imposed untruths (heresies) on Christians which resulted in
the Protestant Reformation.
Papal visits and World Youth Days and others are ways the Vatican is
using to trick people to become members of the Church at Rome which
still has not changed the heresies that were decreed
from 310 AD to 1950 AD.
Protestants should beware as their forebears in the Christian faith
were not 'wanderers from Rome' as John Paul II
mistakenly declared in Sydney in 1982,
and which, you, Duke, still promote despite all the information
I have given you in previous postings.

Gladys Swager

palindrome

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On Dec 10, 2:08 pm, "s...@ozemail.com.au" <swa...@ozemail.com.au>
wrote:

> On Dec 2, 8:39 am, duke wrote:> On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 Anon wrote:
> > >So long as peoples worship diverse gods, and each worshipper claims his/her own god to be the one and only god and other gods are all false, those who see all of them as false are well out of those foolish disputes over whose "god" is "God".
>
> > There's only one God.
>
> God is a spirit, and they that worship Him,
> must worship him in spirit and truth. John 4 : 24
>
> While there can be errors in other denominations of the Christian
> Church it was the leaders of the Church at Rome, the Vatican who
> imposed untruths (heresies) on Christians which resulted in
> the Protestant Reformation.

But the false concept of deity was carried over into protestantism
wholesale ...

Tom Made

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"s...@ozemail.com.au" <swa...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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Gladys Swager


Duke lives in Louisiana where it is illegal to be a protestant; so he
thinks that makes him right....

swa...@ozemail.com.au

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On Dec 11, 7:10 am, palindrome wrote:

> On Dec 10, 2:08 pm, swa...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
> > On Dec 2, 8:39 am, duke wrote:
> > > On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 Anon wrote:
> > > >So long as peoples worship diverse gods, and each worshipper claims his/her own god to be the one and only god and other gods are all false, those who see all of them as false are well out of those foolish disputes over whose "god" is "God".
>
> > > There's only one God.
>
> > God is a spirit, and they that worship Him,
> > must worship him in spirit and truth. John 4 : 24
> > While there can be errors in other denominations of the Christian Church it was the leaders of the Church at Rome, the Vatican, who imposed untruths (heresies) on Christians which resulted in the Protestant Reformation.

>
> But the false concept of deity was carried over into protestantism
> wholesale ...

And you evidence for 'the false sense of deity' is .....

Gladys Swager

swa...@ozemail.com.au

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On Dec 11, 9:16 am, "Tom Made" wrote:
> swa...@ozemail.com.au wrote in message

> > On Dec 2, 8:39 am, duke wrote:
> > >On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 Anon wrote:
> > >So long as peoples worship diverse gods, and each worshipper claims his/her own god to be the one and only god and other gods are all false, those who see all of them as false are well out of those foolish disputes over whose "god" is "God".
>
> > There's only one God. (Duke)

>
> God is a spirit, and they that worship Him,
> must worship him in spirit and truth. John 4 : 24
> While there can be errors in other denominations of the Christian
> Church it was the leaders of the Church at Rome, the Vatican who
> imposed untruths (heresies) on Christians which resulted in
> the Protestant Reformation.
> Papal visits and World Youth Days and others are ways the Vatican > is sing to trick people to become members of the Church at Rome

> which still has not changed the heresies that were decreed
> from 310 AD to 1950 AD.
> Protestants should beware as their forebears in the Christian
> faith were not 'wanderers from Rome' as John Paul II
> mistakenly declared in Sydney in 1982,
> and which, you, Duke, still promote despite all the information
> I have given you in previous postings. (Gladys)
>
> Duke lives in Louisiana where it is illegal to be a protestant; so he thinks that makes him right....(Tom)

Is that because the majority of residents in Louisians are Roman
Catholics and pressure is placed on others who are not
either to nominally accept or leave that state?
I believe that the Church at Rome (the Vatican) is working to gain
both the theological and political control of as much of the world's
populations as it can and then ...will the Inquisition be reinstated
in all its force of the centuries from its introduction in the late
1100's? Or perhaps there has been some learning against such.
It may be that employment may be removed, even verbal abuse until a
person chooses to leave a position, wrongs committed by others will be
attributed to the non-complying and .... others

Gladys Swager

Barry OGrady

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On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 13:10:36 -0700, Anon <hat...@the.lie.com> wrote:

>Any one can say 'Jesus is LORD' anywhere at any time but not everyone is
>fool enough to do so.

Cry out to God but row away from the rocks.

Barry
=====
Home page
http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og

Tom Made

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It is basically the southern part of the state. The divisions within the
American states are called counties, but in Louisiana they are parishes, and
normally named after saints. Up til about 20 years ago nuns and priests
could ride buses and streetcars (trollies) for free. When the protestants
got up the nerve to sue to get free rides, the bus company refused and made
RC's pay instead. The RCC is completely out of control in S. Louisiana. When
I was a young man, you could not buy a roast beef sandwich on a Friday in
any restaurant in New Orleans.

I believe that the Church at Rome (the Vatican) is working to gain
both the theological and political control of as much of the world's
populations as it can and then ...will the Inquisition be reinstated
in all its force of the centuries from its introduction in the late
1100's? Or perhaps there has been some learning against such.

They would if they could, but they can't so they won't. Islam is the
problem. We've thought Rome was the problem for many centuries. Rome is the
old enemy.

It may be that employment may be removed, even verbal abuse until a
person chooses to leave a position, wrongs committed by others will be
attributed to the non-complying and .... others

...Others... will be beheaded.... Who thought some group none of us paid
any attention to would catapult into the headlines in the last 10 years?
Tom

Gladys Swager


Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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s...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
> palindrome wrote:
> > swa...@ozemail.com.au wrote:

> > > duke wrote:
> > > > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
> > > >
> > > > >So long as peoples worship diverse gods, and each worshipper claims his/her own god to be the one and only god and other gods are all false, those who see all of them as false are well out of those foolish disputes over whose "god" is "God".
> >
> > > > There's only one God.
> >
> > > God is a spirit, and they that worship Him,
> > > must worship him in spirit and truth. John 4 : 24
> > > While there can be errors in other denominations of the Christian Church it was the
> > > leaders of the Church at Rome, the Vatican, who imposed untruths (heresies) on
> > > Christians which resulted in the Protestant Reformation.
> >
> > But the false concept of deity was carried over into protestantism
> > wholesale ...
>
> And you evidence for 'the false sense of deity' is .....

While waiting for the atheists to provide their evidence, folks can
keep watching ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZfcnX4yWbY

<><

"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/188fd2ec63b3ba63?

> Gladys Swager

Truth

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On Dec 11, 2:01 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
wrote:

> While waiting for the atheists to provide their evidence, folks can

What I see is a poorly done video of a disembodied voice and some
fingers paging through a copy of Chung's self published book and
mumbling a mishmash of unintelligible phrases. This is evidence of how
mentally ill Chung has become. The assignment given to Chung was for
him to provide a video of himself saying "Jesus is Lord." By linking
to this video Chung proves that he is unable to say "Jesus is Lord"
publically. To prove that he can say so publically he would have to
provide a video of himself saying the phrase which showed his face and
demonstrated that he could pronounce the actual phrase, "Jesus is
Lord." Instead Chung just babbles and repetitively mispronounces a
Hebrew phrase or two.

Anon

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Anon

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Anon

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Carl

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More irrational prattle from dolf.

May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/

Barry OGrady

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What is your evidence for deity?

>Gladys Swager

Barry OGrady

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On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:52:24 -0800 (PST), "s...@ozemail.com.au" <swa...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

>On Dec 8, 6:20 pm, Charles & Mambo Duckman wrote:
>> s...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
>> > I did that after praying in St Andrew's Anglican Sydney Cathedral
>> > in 1974 that cures and preventive method would be found
>> > for Mental Illnesses.
>>
>> It didn't work.
>>
>It did work, but in an unanticipated way. I did not pray just
>for myself, I had prayed for all others that better health information
>would be given so that conditions classified as Mental
>Illnesses would be minimised and also prevented.
>Politicians and academics took up the issues in the media and through
>research.

So it's God's will that we defy God's will?

>My own recovery came gradually through Vitamin-Mineral supplements and
>many home and community activities with much prayer for strength to
>endure the atmospheric vibes that were stimulated by the way the
>politicians took the issues through the media.
>That indicates that some persons, hopefully everyone in the future,
>will not have to endure debiltationg conditions in their health.

Are you blaming God for the way he made your brain, or did you choose
how your brain would come together?

Is Down's Syndrome the result of God's design or do some people choose
to have a brain that is not fully formed?

Do some people choose to be born dead?

Yap

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On Dec 2, 5:39 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 12:34:42 -0700, Anon <hat...@the.lie.com> wrote:
> >So long as peoples worship diverse gods, and each worshipper claims
> >his/her own god to be the one and only god and other gods are all false,
> >those who see all of them as false are well out of those foolish
> >disputes over whose "god" is "God".
>
> There's only one God.
>
> The Dukester, American-American
> *****
> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI
> *****

Yes, there is only one god for every human in this world.
Minus the common factor, then human has no god.

Yap

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On Dec 3, 5:17 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
wrote:
> satan via another sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>
> > friend duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> > > satan via another sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted::

>
> > >>So long as peoples worship diverse gods, and each worshipper claims
> > >>his/her own god to be the one and only god and other gods are all false,
> > >>those who see all of them as false are well out of those foolish
> > >>disputes over whose "god" is "God".
>
> > >There's only one God.
>
> > There is less than that.
>
> Indeed, you are much less than that.
Indeed your god is dead.
Otherwise, you won't have your current state of mind.
Check into VA Hospital to see if they have come out with new drug for
mental illness, not the usual tranquilizer.
>
> May we, who are Jesus' disciples (either Jew or gentile), continue to
> be mindful of WDJW by rebuking you at each GOD-given opportunity as
> GOD desires:
> "... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
> 12:3)
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/43acbc5ea248ceee?

Yap

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On Dec 11, 6:01 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
wrote:

> s...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
> > palindrome wrote:
> > > swa...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
> > > > duke wrote:
> > > > > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) despairingly posted:
>
> > > > > >So long as peoples worship diverse gods, and each worshipper claims his/her own god to be the one and only god and other gods are all false, those who see all of them as false are well out of those foolish disputes over whose "god" is "God".
>
> > > > > There's only one God.
>
> > > > God is a spirit, and they that worship Him,
> > > > must worship him in spirit and truth. John 4 : 24
> > > > While there can be errors in other denominations of the Christian Church it was the
> > > > leaders of the Church at Rome, the Vatican, who imposed untruths (heresies) on
> > > > Christians which resulted in the Protestant Reformation.
>
> > > But the false concept of deity was carried over into protestantism
> > > wholesale ...
>
> > And you evidence for 'the false sense of deity' is .....
>
> While waiting for the atheists to provide their evidence, folks can
> keep watching ...
You are doomed.
I call in the hospital to check for new drug on your behalf, they said
no, no nothing.
Your mental problem will see no end of curing.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Bottom line concerning their irrationality:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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"It would be far more reasonable to state what is plainly the Scriptural position - that there is one Book of Life, belonging to the Lamb, and that it is indeed possible to have one's name blotted out of it."

Source:
http://bereans.com/bible_studies/the_book_of_life_one_book_o.html

Indeed, behold ...
one whose name's been blotted(Mt25:41&Ps69:28) from His Book(Rev20:15)
desperately insists:

> Mary Tyler Moore has always had diabetes

Lie.

No one is born with diabetes.

Source:
https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/fcad4bb2d99bae4e?

The youngest type-2 diabetic on record is 5 years old:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/8111.php

Moreover, Mary Tyler Moore, acquired her diabetes at age 33 as a consequence of overconsuming alcohol (liquid food) which does cause liver visceral adipose tissue (VAT):

"Moore, 74, was diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes, formerly called juvenile diabetes, when (she) was 33..."

Source:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/mary-tyler-moore-undergoes-brain-surgery-meningioma-tumor/story?id=13589156

Truth is simply reality, which the accursed (Galatians 1:8-9) like you and satan really hate.

> But remember that Satan also quoted Scripture (Psalm 91:11) in Matthew
> 4:5-6

This physician ( http://WDJW.net/Healer ) remembers Jesus Christ of Nazareth pointing out that satan cannot call Him LORD (Matthew 4:7) for if he could, he would have prefaced with "LORD, if You are the Son of GOD ..." in Matthew 4:6.

> and that one of his servants can just as easily quote 1
> Corinthians 12:3b.

Actually, you cannot just as your master (satan) cannot for "no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Corinthians 12:3).

May GOD continue to ever so severely curse (Galatians 1:8-9) you and all around you to the Nth generation, in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Bottom line concerning you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/be51c482109ff735?

"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under GOD’s curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under GOD’s curse!" (Galatians 1:8-9)

"Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels" -- Jesus Christ of Nazareth (Matthew 25:41)

And clearly you are accursed:
https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e65bc98b85f573f3?

one whose name's been blotted(Mt25:41&Ps69:28) from His Book(Rev20:15) despairingly asked:

>Andy, what have you been doing for income since your clinic closed
>down and your cardiology certification expired?

This actively practicing physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) continues to be very well-compensated as a cardiologist b/c he is known by all to be one of a chosen few to have the power of the Holy Spirit ( http://WDJW.net/HolySpirit ) to heal/cure/reverse (Mark 16:18) heart disease including type-2 diabetes, which is a CAD equivalent, while giving all the glory to GOD as seen on network TV:

Behold as http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc Andrew gives all the glory to GOD as the http://www.11alive.com/news/article/251415/3/Doctor-Touts-Hunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory to GOD, Who causes (Deuteronomy 8:3) him to hunger so that he can thrive as he enjoys his meals more than ever:

http://WDJW.net/LausDeo :-)

Bottom line concerning http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc Andrew being perfect (Matthew 5:48):

GOD-sanctification (1 Thessalonians 5:23) is infinitely greater than board-certification for He makes the latter eternal (1 Corinthians 2:9) without need for eternal fee payments to ABIM :-)

Source:
https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e484a76eae61abef?

Behold, we, who are Jesus' http://WDJW.net/Disciples (John 8:31) are able (Philippians 4:13) to overcome all things just as the LORD, Whom we are following ( http://WDJW.net/Luke923 ) has overcome all trouble from this world:

https://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/199a7886b347dcb4?

http://WDJW.net/LausDeo for His using the eternally accursed like you to unwittingly prove that http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc Andrew is more than a conqueror (Romans 8:37) as an immortal (John 3:16) overcomer :-)

Yes, this annointed (2 Timothy 1:7) http://www.11alive.com/news/article/251415/3/Doctor-Touts-Hunger (Luke 6:21a) with all glory to GOD, Who causes us to hunger (Deuteronomy 8:3) when He blesses us right now (Luke 6:21a) thereby removing the http://WDJW.net/VAT

JESUS is LORD (Zechariah 14:9)

Laus Deo !!!

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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