That's patently false.
> and here, even though you had no choice but to admit he lied about Muslims 'setting Dutch politicians on fire'
When something is untrue I gladly acknowledge it.
> you still continue to pretend that 'Muslim No-Go Zones' might exist even though the massive narrative that they do has never been able to produce one single example for it's years long life.
I've never looked into the issue, so I have no basis for an opinion.
> And to top it off, you continue proposing that 'Muslims' setting Dutch politicians on fire is some sort of typical and widespread cultural behavior of 'Muslims' and COULD have been true.
That's a lie. I didn't say it was widespread, I said it was something
that had happened, and therefore did not qualify as an "insane lie",
only a "rotten lie".
> Simultaneously you bleat that you aren't making excuses. Do you really think you're fooling anyone? You're pretty f'n stupid if you do.
I made no excuse.
>>> in the Netherlands much less anything remotely resembling the insane idea that the Muslims in the Netherlands are setting Dutch politicians on fire. Fabricating a claim like that with zero substantiation is what's insane. I can understand you having a soft spot for lies like that after you posted the insane lies here that 'Muslims' executed a racehorse for being gay and that 'Muslims' demanded that the streets outside their mosque in Canada be prohibited to women. You're insane yourself.
>>
>> Despite your protestations, the things that Muslims are *known* to have
>> done are no less horrific than any untrue stories. Burning their
>> enemies, murdering gays, throwing acid at children, kidnapping and
>> raping children, ordering journalists, authors and filmmakers killed for
>> criticizing Islam. No, not "all Muslims" do these things, but these
>> themes infect Islam.
>
> Really, 'Dutch'? It infects Islam?
Yes.
> Does inhuman treatment of human beings NOT 'infect' Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, or Secularism? Or any other 'ism' of humans?
To the extent that inhuman treatment of human beings is justified by any
ideology then it infects the ideology.
> Why can't you seem to notice it anywhere it isn't committed by Muslims and portray it as if it's a widespread cultural norm of those others just as you portray it as a widespread cultural norm of 'Muslims'? Do you ever think you'll be able to drag your conscience into regarding the ongoing and current mass murder and rape of Muslims as a government policy of Buddhists and the recent mass murder of Muslims by Christians as something as outrageous and disturbing to you as the wearing of a headscarf by a Muslim woman?
I don't mention the brutality against Muslims in Myanmar because you
don't deny it.
>
>>>>>>> Why are you attempting to excuse hateful lies about Muslims as acceptable?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't excuse it. I said that your characterization was misleading.
>>>>>> When Muslims *have* set their enemies on fire, and *have* butchered a
>>>>>> filmmaker on the street in Amsterdam, it is hardly "really insane" to
>>>>>> say what he said.
>>>
>>> One Jordanian pilot was burned alive by ISIS in Syria.
>>
>> So you're claiming that was a one-off? Oh well, that's OK then.. almost
>> like it never happened.
>>
>>> You consider that your license to brand ALL Muslims as people who burn others alive and even go as far as excusing a liar who claimed that Dutch Muslims are setting Dutch politicians on fire? You are a sick motherfucker.
>>
>> If you're going to claim I "excused" this liar then show the quote where
>> I did that. Otherwise apologize.
>
> 'dutch': 'Right, because that would NEVER happen... ;^/ It's not a lie that Muslims have murdered journalists and filmmakers and concert-goers in the name of Allah.'
>
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.gambling.poker/icixSPQWP8E/1nZWY7i0AAAJ
>
> I must admit that I'm fascinated by how you excuse and try to buttress his lies while at the same time admitting (for one of the lies, anyway) that he lied.
You're not making sense. You claimed I made excuses for this ambassador
then you paste some irrelevant link. I did not make an excuse. The facts
I pointed out show that his lie was not "insane", just a rotten lie.
>
>>>>> People 'like' you have butchered other human beings therefore it's OK to say that you butchered someone recently. You shouldn't have any complaints about the logic because it is YOUR impeccable logic. Why did you butcher another human being recently? Did you have what you thought was a good reason?
>>>>
>>>> Fail. He didn't accuse anyone specifically.
>>>
>>> He said Dutch Muslims were setting Dutch politicians on fire. Stop with the excuses.
>>
>> The guy is a clueless Tea Party idiot, what do you expect? He's a
>> reflection of the current administration.
>
> And people like you butcher other people. Speak for yourself.
People who believe in non-violence and tolerance butcher other people?
Where?
>>>>> It was a lie, plain and simple. If you were to say
>>>>>> that your neighbor's pitbull bit you when he didn't, that would just be
>>>>>> a lie, not a "really insane" lie. Saying he swallowed your children
>>>>>> whole would be a "really insane" lie.
>>>>>
>>>>> 'dutch' doesn't consider it 'really insane' to lie that someone set someone else on fire.
>>
>> No. It would be really outrageous to say that if no Muslim had never set
>> an enemy of Islam on fire, and no Muslim had ever butchered a filmmaker.
>> Since both those things HAVE happened, then I consider a garden variety
>> rotten lie.
>>
>>> Especially when that accused someone is a vague, undefined Muslim, i.e., ALL Muslims.
>>
>> So just because the perpetrator in the story was unidentified that means
>> ALL Muslims would do that? Even in the context of the lie I think it
>> means that a "jihadist" would do that, which is not an insane claim.
>
> It was a lie, 'dutch', an insane lie. Stop making excuses for it.
What's "insane" about the lie? Isis fighters burn enemies of Islam, why
is it "insane" to think an Isis sympathizer would commit a copycat crime?
>>>> No, I said it wasn't a "really insane lie". It was a lie, or more
>>>> precisely, someone repeating a false story without checking it for accuracy.
>>>
>>> Just an everyday lie [..]
>>
>> A rotten lie.
>>
>>>> To call it "really insane" that a Muslim would light someone on fire is
>>>> to suggest that such a thing could never happen, which is clearly false.
>>>
>>> Sorry, asshole- you don't get to excuse someone for falsely accusing an entire ethnic community of setting someone on fire because those persons COULD theoretically set someone on fire. What a sick fuck you are.
>>
>> The lie, if you must parse it, has to mean that a jihadist set someone
>> on fire. That is not an outrageous claim. Jihadists mass murder teenage
>> concert-goers and mow down tourists. Why would you disbelieve ANY
>> horrific claim about them?
>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Where are the 'Muslim No-Go Zones' that the U.S. Ambassador claimed existed in the Netherlands, 'dutch'? He can't tell anyone where they are and neither can you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've never looked into the matter so I can't give you an answer for
>>>>>> that. Do YOU know?
>>>>>
>>>>> In other words- it COULD be true. WHAT AN ASS.
>>>>
>>>> Since I haven't looked into it, then I can't say if it is true or not.
>>>>
>>>> You may be in the habit of KNOWING before you have any information but I
>>>> try to avoid that.
>>>
>>> Yeah, 'dutch'- everyone has been thoroughly impressed with how well you fact check the lies about Muslims which you repeatedly post here. If you weren't so disgusting you would be funny.
>>
>> I've reported a couple stories, one that turned out to be a joke, the
>> other was cast into doubt. That doesn't mean I claim to KNOW things like
>> the existence of "no-go zones" when I have not see evidence either way.
>> Reports out the Netherlands say they don't exist, so they may well not
>> exist. I never said they did.
>
> Uh, huh. You didn't plant the garden of weeds but you can't think of any good reason to stop watering it.
No, when I'm wrong or I don't know I admit it. You want me to agree that
there are no such things as "no-go zones" in Europe when I know nothing
about it. I can't do that.
>
>>>>>> >Why are you attempting to excuse hateful lies about Muslims as acceptable?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The real question is, why do you think I am making excuses for this
>>>>>> clown when I did no such thing? You seem to be in some kind of perpetual
>>>>>> knee-jerk mode.
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Right, because that would NEVER happen... ;^/ It's not a lie . .'
>>>>
>>>> No, because it didn't happen.
>>>
>>> It IS a lie because it didn't happen, asshole.
>>
>> Right, the claim that I made excuses for this guy is a lie. I despise
>> guys like him.
>
> 'dutch': 'Right, because that would NEVER happen... ;^/ It's not a lie that Muslims have murdered journalists and filmmakers and concert-goers in the name of Allah.'
>
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.gambling.poker/icixSPQWP8E/1nZWY7i0AAAJ
That's not a excuse for his lie, it's support for my statement that your
characterization of the lie as "insane" was wrong.
>
>>> I didn't make an excuse. The guy
>>>> definitely needs to retract and apologize for the setting on fire stuff,
>>>> not deny he said it.
>>>
>>> You made an excuse by claiming it's not a lie.
>>
>> Show the quote. I never said it wasn't a lie.
>
> 'dutch': 'Right, because that would NEVER happen... ;^/ It's not a lie that Muslims have murdered journalists and filmmakers and concert-goers in the name of Allah.'
>
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.gambling.poker/icixSPQWP8E/1nZWY7i0AAAJ
You've lost the plot. I don't say that he wasn't lying in that link, or
anywhere else.
>
>>> Now you admit it was a lie because you're finally getting it through your thick skull that everyone can see that your excuses for that liar are making everyone realize that you're an Islamophobic liar just like him.
>>
>> What excuses? Name one.
>
> 'dutch': 'Right, because that would NEVER happen... ;^/ It's not a lie that Muslims have murdered journalists and filmmakers and concert-goers in the name of Allah.'
>
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.gambling.poker/icixSPQWP8E/1nZWY7i0AAAJ
See above.
>>>>> No excuseS there, right ASSHOLE?
>>>>
>>>> I didn't say it wasn't a lie, I said it wasn't a "really insane" lie. It
>>>> was plausible, since presumably the politician was a potential target
>>>> for his opinions on Islam, and because there has been a history of that
>>>> kind of murder by jihadists. If you had called it "a rotten lie" I would
>>>> have agreed with that 100%.
>>>
>>> Really, 'dutch'? 'presumably the politician was a potential target for his opinions on Islam'? How well did you research that? Did it just emanate from your Islamophobic peabrain or is it based on some fact? While you're citing your sources of evidence for that why don't you also enlighten us as to the 'history', as you term it, of Muslims burning people alive?
>>
>> I said "presumably". Since the story was made up naming a victim makes
>> no sense. However it stands to reason that in the context of the story,
>> the jihadist would target an anti-Muslim politician, right?
>
> Could your excuses possibly get any thinner? I wouldn't think so but then I shouldn't underestimate an Islamophobe like you.
What excuses? There is no excuse. You're blowing hot air, as usual.
>
>>>> I realize this is all really upsetting and emotional to you, but I'm
>>>> just being logical.
>>>
>>> Furtive verbal twisting and turning in an attempt to maintain the acceptability of fact-free lies about Muslims is NOT 'being logical'. And please don't project your emotional upset at having lies about Muslims debunked onto me.
>>>
>>
>> I never said the lie was acceptable. You are the one who is lying and
>> twisting words.
>
> 'dutch': 'Right, because that would NEVER happen... ;^/ It's not a lie that Muslims have murdered journalists and filmmakers and concert-goers in the name of Allah.'
>
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.gambling.poker/icixSPQWP8E/1nZWY7i0AAAJ
>
> BTW 'dutch'- you never produced your claimed 'history' of 'Muslims' burning people alive. Is it because there is no 'history'? Should we classify this as another of your lies about Muslims and add it to your lie list? It takes a particularly obdurate creature to lie while denying lies.
Now you're denying that Muslims have burned people alive despite the
fact that you've watched a video of it happening. This persistent denial
is a pattern with you. Why don't you deny the rape of women and girls by
Myanmar’s Military?