Democrats on their native turf...again

[Gunner Asch]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/03/29/current-former-detroit-school-principals-charged/82378558/

[whoyak...@gmail.com]

On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 14:09:07 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/03/29/current-former-detroit-school-principals-charged/82378558/

Cherry picking the news to reinforce your crackpot ideology is a sign
of low intelligence and dishonesty. If you were one tenth as smart and
honest as you claim, then any posts about the political persuasion of
criminals would include an unbiased list of all criminals. But then,
you aren't smart or honest, and unbiased discussion is a foreign
concept to your disposition. The time you waste contradicting your
claims about your intelligence and honesty does exactly nothing to
sway political opinion. Instead it only demonstrates how much you
deserve to be spending what should have been your golden years,
sleeping in a van most nights.




Wieber's funniest lies.

"I never lie"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/0264cc658d2e57fb

"I never lie"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.liberalism/msg/9ef5f530780d8194

"I lied about who I was and how old I was"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/b6421cb4f5a8eb52

<Readers, cage your irony meters>

"I can say with a clear conscience that I dont lie. And I dont.
Ive made a point of it for most of my life. Ever since I discovered
its far far to difficult to remember which lies one tells which person
and it comes back and bites you in the ass."
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/7f633fef7961cc92
---------------------


And in case you couldn't guess, here are some of his IQ stories.

"mid 150s"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/60beacdc8a0bd420

"In 1971, I was given a battery of tests at Michigan Tech University
(Houghton) and after some head scratching, the chief of testing
declared I had an IQ of 157. They wrote several articles on the
subject and published them somewhere."
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/890c10adbedb9f8a

"165"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/b8b3afb9ad1fd63f
-----------------------


Wieber was/wasn't a Mensa member.

"Was asked to join Mensa, but didnt (proves Im smart) " 2001
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/60beacdc8a0bd420

"Mensa? Been there, done that." 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/890c10adbedb9f8a

"Certainly not the same Mensa that I belonged to." 2013
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.usa/msg/b5c3c389ba595b74

[Creepy banjo music]

Don't forget all the contradictory claims about how long he was a "cop
on the street," too.

[dca...@krl.org]

On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 10:30:22 AM UTC-4, whoyak...@gmail.com wrote:

> Cherry picking the news to reinforce your crackpot ideology is a sign
> of low intelligence and dishonesty.
>

Wow so much effort wasted. Why not sit back and enjoy the tall tails. Gunner does not really lie at least about things that matter like how to fix a machine.
On other things I just assume he is being entertaining.

At least he does post about machining. Which seems to be more than all you teenagers with pseudo names do.

Dan

[whoyak...@gmail.com]

Save your arguments for your fellow crackpots. The fact is that you
enjoy the one-sided crazy talk. And don't expect me to post anything
that might be useful to you. It's mostly not worth the effort to
figure out which of you is deserving of any advice I might have to
offer. Except if you take the time to make excuses for lying
deadbeats. That makes it obvious.

[dca...@krl.org]

On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 8:50:12 PM UTC-4, whoyak...@gmail.com wrote:

> Save your arguments for your fellow crackpots.

You seem to be the crackpot. Using a pseudonym and posting in a group about metalworking , but nothing on topic.

The fact is that you
> enjoy the one-sided crazy talk. And don't expect me to post anything
> that might be useful to you.

You do not know anything that is useful to anyone.

It's mostly not worth the effort to
> figure out which of you is deserving of any advice I might have to
> offer. Except if you take the time to make excuses for lying
> deadbeats. That makes it obvious.

Yet you put a lot of effort into keeping track of what Gunner has said. And for what?

Dan

[Rudy Canoza]

On 3/30/2016 2:32 PM, dca...@krl.org wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 10:30:22 AM UTC-4, whoyak...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Cherry picking the news to reinforce your crackpot ideology is a sign
>> of low intelligence and dishonesty.
>>
>
> Wow so much effort wasted. Why not sit back and enjoy the tall tails.

*Tales*, you fuckwit, not "tails." No one enjoys them because they're
really shitty, and they're extremely shittily told, and only fuckwits
with no discernment at all would find them enjoyable on any dimension.
But here's something we know about you and the rest of gummer's
fuckwitted right-wing shitty-metal-worker pals here (Gardner, Eastburn,
Jaques, Terrell): you fuckwits don't really think they're tall tales.
You *want* them to be true, and you give gummer the benefit of the
doubt, even though he's been caught lying on nearly a daily basis. You
give him the undeserved benefit of the doubt because you share his
benighted proto-Nazi political views.

The fact of the matter is, because he's such a blatant and shitty liar,
I don't think most of you put much stock in what gummer says about
metalworking, either. The buffoon overstates his knowledge about so
much other stuff, I'm certain you have to think he overstates it about
machining, too. You've seen photos of his "shop", because he's posted
them. It looks like a fucking bomb went off in there. No
right-thinking person would have a shred of confidence in anything that
bullshit artist says about machining and metalworking.

Here's another thing that I know just kills you dumb fat fucks:
whoyakidding writes *extremely* well and wittily, and you plodding fat
fucks know it...and resent it deeply. He cuts your pal gummer into
little bloody strips, and does it with an obvious flair. That just
chaps your doughy flabby asses to no end. You couldn't make it more
obvious.

[Tom Gardner]

On 3/29/2016 5:09 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/03/29/current-former-detroit-school-principals-charged/82378558/
>


In Detroit you can't swing a cat without hitting a corrupt Democrat so
why are you surprised?

[dca...@krl.org]

What a bunch of hooey and nothing about metalworking. For Shame.

Dan

[whoyak...@gmail.com]

On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 18:44:14 -0700 (PDT), "dca...@krl.org"
<dca...@krl.org> wrote:

>On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 8:50:12 PM UTC-4, whoyak...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Save your arguments for your fellow crackpots.
>
>You seem to be the crackpot. Using a pseudonym and posting in a group about metalworking , but nothing on topic

My current project is a fairly simple concept. A little CAD model
work, some plasma cutting, some turning, milling and welding, and a
lot of hand work. But it's interesting enough to write up, so I'll
post it where I usually do, a moderated forum where the brain-dead
political musings of jackasses like you and Wieber isn't tolerated.
Most likely I'll be asked to make some copies for others. I'm not
interested in that, and will offer the files to anyone who thinks they
might be able to make a few bucks off it. That's not an opportunity
I'd give Wieber or any of his like-minded pals. Now, I know you'll say
I'm making it all up, so when the time comes I'll send a link to Ed
Huntress, and you can call him a liar if you're stupid enough to think
that anyone of consequence will believe it.

>The fact is that you
>> enjoy the one-sided crazy talk. And don't expect me to post anything
>> that might be useful to you.
>
>You do not know anything that is useful to anyone.

Feel free to show some proof of that statement. You can't. Same as
Wieber, you believe that any ill-considered opinion is as valuable as
any well-proven fact, so long as it suits your ideology. Yes, I know
you believe you CAN think clearly, but that's as easy to explain as it
is impossible for you to accept.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

>It's mostly not worth the effort to
>> figure out which of you is deserving of any advice I might have to
>> offer. Except if you take the time to make excuses for lying
>> deadbeats. That makes it obvious.
>
>Yet you put a lot of effort into keeping track of what Gunner has said. And for what?

To show you how it should be done. To remind all the self-described
conservatives of the transparent phoniness of their ideology. The
facts are that Wieber tells you he's a fellow "conservative" who, on
account of "democrats" <chuckle> can't afford taxes or health care
insurance. Yet he CAN afford cigarettes, soda, cell phones, sailboats,
and sitting around sniveling.

Admit it, you're fine with the phony conservative lifestyle, probably
because you're more like him than different. Gotta' love your defense
of him: "sure he lies, but I'm Ok with it." He must be so proud!

[dca...@krl.org]

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 10:58:28 AM UTC-4, whoyak...@gmail.com wrote:

> My current project is a fairly simple concept. A little CAD model
> work, some plasma cutting, some turning, milling and welding, and a
> lot of hand work. But it's interesting enough to write up, so I'll
> post it where I usually do, a moderated forum where the brain-dead
> political musings of jackasses like you and Wieber isn't tolerated.
> Most likely I'll be asked to make some copies for others. I'm not
> interested in that, and will offer the files to anyone who thinks they
> might be able to make a few bucks off it. That's not an opportunity
> I'd give Wieber or any of his like-minded pals. Now, I know you'll say
> I'm making it all up, so when the time comes I'll send a link to Ed
> Huntress, and you can call him a liar if you're stupid enough to think
> that anyone of consequence will believe it.
>

I am able to admit I was wrong. So will be looking forward to seeing what you have done.

> >
> >You do not know anything that is useful to anyone.
>
> Feel free to show some proof of that statement. You can't. Same as
> Wieber, you believe that any ill-considered opinion is as valuable as
> any well-proven fact, so long as it suits your ideology. Yes, I know
> you believe you CAN think clearly, but that's as easy to explain as it
> is impossible for you to accept.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

You are right. I can not prove that. But I have not seen anything from you about metal working.

>
> >It's mostly not worth the effort to
> >> figure out which of you is deserving of any advice I might have to
> >> offer. Except if you take the time to make excuses for lying
> >> deadbeats. That makes it obvious.
> >
> >Yet you put a lot of effort into keeping track of what Gunner has said. And for what?
>
> To show you how it should be done. To remind all the self-described
> conservatives of the transparent phoniness of their ideology. The
> facts are that Wieber tells you he's a fellow "conservative" who, on
> account of "democrats" <chuckle> can't afford taxes or health care
> insurance. Yet he CAN afford cigarettes, soda, cell phones, sailboats,
> and sitting around sniveling.
>
> Admit it, you're fine with the phony conservative lifestyle, probably
> because you're more like him than different. Gotta' love your defense
> of him: "sure he lies, but I'm Ok with it." He must be so proud!

I just can not see the point in being concerned with what Gunner posts. Sometimes it is obvious that it is a tall tale. And can be enjoyed as fiction.
Dan

[dca...@krl.org]

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 1:43:31 AM UTC-4, Rudy Canoza wrote:

> *Tales*, you fuckwit, not "tails."
>

> Here's another thing that I know just kills you dumb fat fucks:
> whoyakidding writes *extremely* well and wittily, and you plodding fat
> fucks know it...and resent it deeply. He cuts your pal gummer into
> little bloody strips, and does it with an obvious flair. That just
> chaps your doughy flabby asses to no end. You couldn't make it more
> obvious.

Unlike Whoyakidding , you do not seem to be able to write well and wittily, and have to use vulgarity.

Dan

[Rudy Canoza]

No, it isn't. It displeases you, but that doesn't mean it's wrong.
It's *not* wrong.

> and nothing about metalworking.

You do it, too.

[Rudy Canoza]

On 3/31/2016 9:18 AM, dca...@krl.org wrote:
> On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 10:58:28 AM UTC-4, whoyak...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My current project is a fairly simple concept. A little CAD model
>> work, some plasma cutting, some turning, milling and welding, and a
>> lot of hand work. But it's interesting enough to write up, so I'll
>> post it where I usually do, a moderated forum where the brain-dead
>> political musings of jackasses like you and Wieber isn't tolerated.
>> Most likely I'll be asked to make some copies for others. I'm not
>> interested in that, and will offer the files to anyone who thinks they
>> might be able to make a few bucks off it. That's not an opportunity
>> I'd give Wieber or any of his like-minded pals. Now, I know you'll say
>> I'm making it all up, so when the time comes I'll send a link to Ed
>> Huntress, and you can call him a liar if you're stupid enough to think
>> that anyone of consequence will believe it.
>>
> I am able to admit I was wrong.

You don't seem able to admit that you're wrong about gummer.

> So will be looking forward to seeing what you have done.
>
>
>
>>>
>>> You do not know anything that is useful to anyone.
>>
>> Feel free to show some proof of that statement. You can't. Same as
>> Wieber, you believe that any ill-considered opinion is as valuable as
>> any well-proven fact, so long as it suits your ideology. Yes, I know
>> you believe you CAN think clearly, but that's as easy to explain as it
>> is impossible for you to accept.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
>
> You are right. I can not prove that. But I have not seen anything from you about metal working.
>
>>
>>> It's mostly not worth the effort to
>>>> figure out which of you is deserving of any advice I might have to
>>>> offer. Except if you take the time to make excuses for lying
>>>> deadbeats. That makes it obvious.
>>>
>>> Yet you put a lot of effort into keeping track of what Gunner has said. And for what?
>>
>> To show you how it should be done. To remind all the self-described
>> conservatives of the transparent phoniness of their ideology. The
>> facts are that Wieber tells you he's a fellow "conservative" who, on
>> account of "democrats" <chuckle> can't afford taxes or health care
>> insurance. Yet he CAN afford cigarettes, soda, cell phones, sailboats,
>> and sitting around sniveling.
>>
>> Admit it, you're fine with the phony conservative lifestyle, probably
>> because you're more like him than different. Gotta' love your defense
>> of him: "sure he lies, but I'm Ok with it." He must be so proud!
>
> I just can not see the point in being concerned with what Gunner posts. Sometimes it is obvious that it is a tall tale. And can be enjoyed as fiction.

Admit it: you apply a different standard to lies from your fellow
right-wing knuckledraggers than you do to things you don't believe from
others.

[Rudy Canoza]

I write well, but not very wittily.

"Under certain circumstances, urgent circumstances, desperate
circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer."

"Let us swear while we may, for in Heaven it will not be allowed."

-- Mark Twain


See, you give gummer a pass for his foul language, but not me. Double
standard, once again.

[dca...@krl.org]

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 1:24:54 PM UTC-4, Rudy Canoza wrote:

>
> You don't seem able to admit that you're wrong about gummer.
>

I think that Gunner sometimes posts things just to ring your chain. To me it is obvious that he is stretching the truth. And so I just accept that. If someone posts " Red is Blue ", I am not going to get upset about it. It is obviously not true and probably posted to just get someone upset.

> Admit it: you apply a different standard to lies from your fellow
> right-wing knuckledraggers than you do to things you don't believe from
> others.

I do apply a different standard to things posted in jest than to things posted as gospel.

Dan

[Ed Huntress]

How about things posted in calumny?

--
Ed Huntress

[dca...@krl.org]

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 4:03:02 PM UTC-4, Ed Huntress wrote:

> How about things posted in calumny?
>
> --
> Ed Huntress

Tough question. I do not read a lot of threads where that would come up, because in general I am not all that interested in off topic posts. But if truly in calumny, I am against it. I may ignore it, because responding just encourages more of the same. And I may rationalize that it isn't really calumny because Gunner is role playing.

Do you have any examples?

Dan

[Ed Huntress]

Sure. But if you want to wade in old Gunner crap, you'll have to do it
without me.

--
Ed Huntress

[whoyak...@gmail.com]

On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 09:18:14 -0700 (PDT), "dca...@krl.org"
<dca...@krl.org> wrote:

>On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 10:58:28 AM UTC-4, whoyak...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My current project is a fairly simple concept. A little CAD model
>> work, some plasma cutting, some turning, milling and welding, and a
>> lot of hand work. But it's interesting enough to write up, so I'll
>> post it where I usually do, a moderated forum where the brain-dead
>> political musings of jackasses like you and Wieber isn't tolerated.
>> Most likely I'll be asked to make some copies for others. I'm not
>> interested in that, and will offer the files to anyone who thinks they
>> might be able to make a few bucks off it. That's not an opportunity
>> I'd give Wieber or any of his like-minded pals. Now, I know you'll say
>> I'm making it all up, so when the time comes I'll send a link to Ed
>> Huntress, and you can call him a liar if you're stupid enough to think
>> that anyone of consequence will believe it.
>>
>I am able to admit I was wrong.

Have you admitted yet that the "great cull" was BS? Or are you still
hoping?

> So will be looking forward to seeing what you have done.

YOU won't be seeing it. But feel free to keep pretending that what you
can't see doesn't exist.

>> >You do not know anything that is useful to anyone.
>>
>> Feel free to show some proof of that statement. You can't. Same as
>> Wieber, you believe that any ill-considered opinion is as valuable as
>> any well-proven fact, so long as it suits your ideology. Yes, I know
>> you believe you CAN think clearly, but that's as easy to explain as it
>> is impossible for you to accept.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
>
>You are right. I can not prove that. But I have not seen anything from you about metal working.

So what? How would my posting about my projects change any facts I've
written?

>> >It's mostly not worth the effort to
>> >> figure out which of you is deserving of any advice I might have to
>> >> offer. Except if you take the time to make excuses for lying
>> >> deadbeats. That makes it obvious.
>> >
>> >Yet you put a lot of effort into keeping track of what Gunner has said. And for what?
>>
>> To show you how it should be done. To remind all the self-described
>> conservatives of the transparent phoniness of their ideology. The
>> facts are that Wieber tells you he's a fellow "conservative" who, on
>> account of "democrats" <chuckle> can't afford taxes or health care
>> insurance. Yet he CAN afford cigarettes, soda, cell phones, sailboats,
>> and sitting around sniveling.
>>
>> Admit it, you're fine with the phony conservative lifestyle, probably
>> because you're more like him than different. Gotta' love your defense
>> of him: "sure he lies, but I'm Ok with it." He must be so proud!
>
>I just can not see the point in being concerned with what Gunner posts.

Perhaps if you'd been concerned about him issuing death threats, and
spoken up, we might not be having this discussion now.

> Sometimes it is obvious that it is a tall tale. And can be enjoyed as fiction.

You enjoy him reading his lies about paying off 4 liens in the last
year? You know, it's mean to enjoy a friend's self-destructive
behavior.

Here's what I'd do if I was Wieber's friend and believed any of his
lies. I'd tell him to disprove some major accusations, and thereby add
some reasonable doubt about all the others. The simplest way for him
to do that right now is to post the receipts for the 4 liens and 4 dog
neutering's he recently claimed paid for. That would only take
minutes, and would actually accomplish something. As opposed to what
you're doing, which doesn't help him at all, encourages him to keep
lying, and invites me to post more of what you don't want to read. I
predict that you won't advise him to post those receipts, and won't
admit you know he was lying about the payments.

[dca...@krl.org]

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 8:45:38 PM UTC-4, whoyak...@gmail.com wrote:

> >I am able to admit I was wrong.
>
> Have you admitted yet that the "great cull" was BS? Or are you still
> hoping?
>

I never believed there was going to be any great cul.

> > So will be looking forward to seeing what you have done.
>
> YOU won't be seeing it. But feel free to keep pretending that what you
> can't see doesn't exist.
>

> >You are right. I can not prove that. But I have not seen anything from you about metal working.
>
> So what? How would my posting about my projects change any facts I've
> written?
>

It would elevate you from those that never post anything on topic.

> >> To show you how it should be done. To remind all the self-described
> >> conservatives of the transparent phoniness of their ideology. The
> >> facts are that Wieber tells you he's a fellow "conservative" who, on
> >> account of "democrats" <chuckle> can't afford taxes or health care
> >> insurance. Yet he CAN afford cigarettes, soda, cell phones, sailboats,
> >> and sitting around sniveling.

I believe there is nothing you can post that will change any of that.

> >>

> >
> >I just can not see the point in being concerned with what Gunner posts.
>
> Perhaps if you'd been concerned about him issuing death threats, and
> spoken up, we might not be having this discussion now.
>

Did you ever believe any of the death threats? If you did you are a lot more gullible than I am.

> > Sometimes it is obvious that it is a tall tale. And can be enjoyed as fiction.
>
> You enjoy him reading his lies about paying off 4 liens in the last
> year? You know, it's mean to enjoy a friend's self-destructive
> behavior.
>
> Here's what I'd do if I was Wieber's friend and believed any of his
> lies. I'd tell him to disprove some major accusations, and thereby add
> some reasonable doubt about all the others. The simplest way for him
> to do that right now is to post the receipts for the 4 liens and 4 dog
> neutering's he recently claimed paid for. That would only take
> minutes, and would actually accomplish something. As opposed to what
> you're doing, which doesn't help him at all, encourages him to keep
> lying, and invites me to post more of what you don't want to read. I
> predict that you won't advise him to post those receipts, and won't
> admit you know he was lying about the payments.

I do not remember reading anything about Gunner paying off any liens. It is not something significant to me. My atttude right now is " who cares? Not me "
My bewilderment is why do you care?

Dan

[whoyak...@gmail.com]

On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 18:05:44 -0700 (PDT), "dca...@krl.org"
<dca...@krl.org> wrote:

>On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 8:45:38 PM UTC-4, whoyak...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> >I am able to admit I was wrong.
>>
>> Have you admitted yet that the "great cull" was BS? Or are you still
>> hoping?
>>
>I never believed there was going to be any great cul.

Congratulations. That puts you ahead of several of the regulars here,
none of whom have the guts to own up to their support.

>> How would my posting about my projects change any facts I've
>> written?
>>
>It would elevate you from those that never post anything on topic.

I don't need elevating.

>> >> To show you how it should be done. To remind all the self-described
>> >> conservatives of the transparent phoniness of their ideology. The
>> >> facts are that Wieber tells you he's a fellow "conservative" who, on
>> >> account of "democrats" <chuckle> can't afford taxes or health care
>> >> insurance. Yet he CAN afford cigarettes, soda, cell phones, sailboats,
>> >> and sitting around sniveling.
>
>I believe there is nothing you can post that will change any of that.

Correct. But Wieber has worked very hard to present himself as the
ultimate conservative poster boy. I enjoy mocking him in particular,
anyone who takes him seriously, and phony conservatives in general.

>> >I just can not see the point in being concerned with what Gunner posts.
>>
>> Perhaps if you'd been concerned about him issuing death threats, and
>> spoken up, we might not be having this discussion now.
>>
>Did you ever believe any of the death threats? If you did you are a lot more gullible than I am.

Of course I didn't. But if you and a sufficient number of others had
lambasted him as a handful of us did, then he might not have worked so
hard to convince everyone that the cull was for real. Thereby saving
himself his just reward, that he says he enjoys reading! Instead most
participants here sat by while the idiot bragged that he was involved
in a conspiracy to commit thousands of murders. He also insisted,
using his usual cockamamie rhetorical gymnastics, that he could
legally and morally have an arms length involvement. Somewhat like
Wieber, this nutjob is finding out that talking his way out of trouble
is a lot harder than talking his way in.
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/03/feds_describe_pete_santilli_as.html
I hope he enjoys sleeping in his cell as much as Wieber enjoys
sleeping in his van.

>> > Sometimes it is obvious that it is a tall tale. And can be enjoyed as fiction.
>>
>> You enjoy him reading his lies about paying off 4 liens in the last
>> year? You know, it's mean to enjoy a friend's self-destructive
>> behavior.
>>
>> Here's what I'd do if I was Wieber's friend and believed any of his
>> lies. I'd tell him to disprove some major accusations, and thereby add
>> some reasonable doubt about all the others. The simplest way for him
>> to do that right now is to post the receipts for the 4 liens and 4 dog
>> neutering's he recently claimed paid for. That would only take
>> minutes, and would actually accomplish something. As opposed to what
>> you're doing, which doesn't help him at all, encourages him to keep
>> lying, and invites me to post more of what you don't want to read. I
>> predict that you won't advise him to post those receipts, and won't
>> admit you know he was lying about the payments.
>
>I do not remember reading anything about Gunner paying off any liens.

It's a fact. In response to a list of Wieber's tax liens, including 4
new ones in the past year, he wrote: "(VBG). Actually..Ive paid off
that many in the last year. (VBG)" No, he hadn't paid anything at all
in the last *three* years, and his lie was only (approximately) the
fifth to last *recent* example of him telling a preposterous new one
to cover up some old ones. He said the online records were wrong, he'd
fix it with the recorder, etc. All the usual Wieber BS and diversions,
coming from the same deadender who believes his climate change denial
makes more sense than the consensus of scientists.

> It is not something significant to me.

It should be. Conservatives love to complain about government spending
and borrowing. When Wieber puts his self-destructive lifestyle choices
ahead of paying taxes and health care premiums, who do you think picks
up the slack? Obviously he was never going to pay the hundreds of
thousands for the health care he and his family received, but he STILL
won't even pay a few hundred a year for property taxes! But wait, he
also thinks he should be able to get away with making up stories about
how he doesn't really owe any of the health care debts... *after* he
said he'd be working to pay them off. The mind boggles at the
ingratitude and hubris, and at his phony conservative audience's
willingness to shrug about it all.

> My atttude right now is " who cares? Not me "

You'd make a good Trump voter.

>My bewilderment is why do you care?

My bewilderment is at your choice of what to care about.

[dca...@krl.org]

On Friday, April 1, 2016 at 10:51:10 AM UTC-4, whoyak...@gmail.com wrote:


TBTR

Too Boring To Reply

Dan

[Alan]

On Fri, 01 Apr 2016 07:52:54 -0700, whoyak...@gmail.com wrote:

Nothing on topic.


Are you a Frog living in America?


You write as if you are one, arrogant, due to your inferiority
complex, always trying to put someone down instead of trying to help.

Too scared to post under your own name?

[Ed Huntress]

On Sat, 02 Apr 2016 00:16:10 +0800, Alan <alan...@iinet.net.au>
wrote:

You're about 15 years too late to jump into this conversation, Alan --
if that's your name.

--
Ed Huntress

[whoyak...@gmail.com]

Nah, you just got tired of having your faulty logic shot down. Not
much of a surprise, it's always a fool's errand to try helping Wieber.

[Rudy Canoza]

On 4/1/2016 7:52 AM, whoyak...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 18:05:44 -0700 (PDT), "dca...@krl.org"
> <dca...@krl.org> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 8:45:38 PM UTC-4, whoyak...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>> I am able to admit I was wrong.
>>>
>>> Have you admitted yet that the "great cull" was BS? Or are you still
>>> hoping?
>>>
>> I never believed there was going to be any great cul.
>
> Congratulations. That puts you ahead of several of the regulars here,
> none of whom have the guts to own up to their support.

In truth, I don't think very many of them think it is likely to happen;
however, I think many of them wish it would happen.

By the way, 'cul' is French for 'ass', and 'trou du cul' is 'asshole',
or 'hole of the ass'. There *is* a great cul here, and its name is mark
wieber.

[Rudy Canoza]

Actually, you couldn't possibly give a reasonable reply.

[whoyak...@gmail.com]

On Sat, 02 Apr 2016 00:16:10 +0800, Alan <alan...@iinet.net.au>
wrote:

>always trying to put someone down instead of trying to help.

LOL Let's see YOU help poor old Wieber. Will you be sending him cash,
or applying for a position in his new post-cull government?

>Too scared to post under your own name?

What's your name again? Feel free to post it. People who think and
write like you do are frequently well-documented losers.

[Rudy Canoza]

On 4/1/2016 9:16 AM, Alan wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Apr 2016 07:52:54 -0700, whoyak...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Nothing on topic.
>
>
> Are you a Frog living in America?

He's not.

There are quite a lot of native-born American citizens who agree with
every bit of his assessment of gummer wieber. I do - and whoyakidding
and I are not even political allies.

[whoyak...@gmail.com]

On Fri, 1 Apr 2016 10:39:53 -0700, Rudy Canoza <c...@philhendrie.con>
wrote:

>On 4/1/2016 7:52 AM, whoyak...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 18:05:44 -0700 (PDT), "dca...@krl.org"
>> <dca...@krl.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 8:45:38 PM UTC-4, whoyak...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I am able to admit I was wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Have you admitted yet that the "great cull" was BS? Or are you still
>>>> hoping?
>>>>
>>> I never believed there was going to be any great cul.
>>
>> Congratulations. That puts you ahead of several of the regulars here,
>> none of whom have the guts to own up to their support.
>
>In truth, I don't think very many of them think it is likely to happen;

I was thinking maybe a half dozen.

>however, I think many of them wish it would happen.

Yeah, no doubt. Ironic that they'd expect the cullers to spare angry
old fart RCM anti-government types, many of whom are collecting
pensions and health care benefits envied by young folks. Nah, nothing
to worry about I guess. If the RCM militia was forced to defend
itself, the cheeky whippper-snapper cullers would be cut down by
handguns the second the militia's power-lift recliners reached their
full up positions. On the other hand, what if the cullers have been
boning up on tactics? I'm picturing a cheeseburger under the shadow of
a large box tipped up on edge. And the prop tied to a long string
leading to a resentful 17 year old. Then along comes the fearsome Tom
Gardner... :)

[Gunner Asch]

On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 02:06:13 -0400, Tom Gardner <Ma...@tacks.com>
wrote:

Hardly surprised. Just rubbing salt in the Democrats wounds.
(VBG)
Gunner

[Gunner Asch]

Shrug..Im not prone to tall tales. Or fiction. But whatever floats
your boat.

Gunner

[Gunner Asch]

On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 18:05:44 -0700 (PDT), "dca...@krl.org"
<dca...@krl.org> wrote:

>> predict that you won't advise him to post those receipts, and won't
>> admit you know he was lying about the payments.
>
>I do not remember reading anything about Gunner paying off any liens. It is not something significant to me. My atttude right now is " who cares? Not me "
>My bewilderment is why do you care?
>
> Dan

All they got to do is kick out $100 per citation.

Gunner

[Gunner Asch]

On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 04:25:46 -0700 (PDT), "dca...@krl.org"
<dca...@krl.org> wrote:

>On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 1:43:31 AM UTC-4, Rudy Canoza wrote:

>> On 3/30/2016 2:32 PM, dca...@krl.org wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 10:30:22 AM UTC-4, whoyak...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> >> Cherry picking the news to reinforce your crackpot ideology is a sign
>> >> of low intelligence and dishonesty.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Wow so much effort wasted. Why not sit back and enjoy the tall tails.
>>
>> *Tales*, you fuckwit, not "tails." No one enjoys them because they're
>> really shitty, and they're extremely shittily told, and only fuckwits
>> with no discernment at all would find them enjoyable on any dimension.
>> But here's something we know about you and the rest of gummer's
>> fuckwitted right-wing shitty-metal-worker pals here (Gardner, Eastburn,
>> Jaques, Terrell): you fuckwits don't really think they're tall tales.
>> You *want* them to be true, and you give gummer the benefit of the
>> doubt, even though he's been caught lying on nearly a daily basis. You
>> give him the undeserved benefit of the doubt because you share his
>> benighted proto-Nazi political views.
>>
>> The fact of the matter is, because he's such a blatant and shitty liar,
>> I don't think most of you put much stock in what gummer says about
>> metalworking, either. The buffoon overstates his knowledge about so
>> much other stuff, I'm certain you have to think he overstates it about
>> machining, too. You've seen photos of his "shop", because he's posted
>> them. It looks like a fucking bomb went off in there. No
>> right-thinking person would have a shred of confidence in anything that
>> bullshit artist says about machining and metalworking.
>>

>> Here's another thing that I know just kills you dumb fat fucks:
>> whoyakidding writes *extremely* well and wittily, and you plodding fat
>> fucks know it...and resent it deeply. He cuts your pal gummer into
>> little bloody strips, and does it with an obvious flair. That just
>> chaps your doughy flabby asses to no end. You couldn't make it more
>> obvious.
>

>What a bunch of hooey and nothing about metalworking. For Shame.
>
> Dan

Widdle Wudy Canoli is like that. And cant even screw in a lightbulb,
let alone do any metalworking

Gunner

[jo...@hotmail.com]

On Sat, 02 Apr 2016 23:50:31 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Shrug..Im not prone to tall tales. Or fiction.

Uh... that's another stupendously tall tale of fiction right there,
Wieber.

Here are a few others. Let's hear some new stories about how the old
ones weren't tall tales and/or total fiction.

"In less than 3 yrs..the People will kill most/all Leftwingers in an
event known as the Great Cull." (2009)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.states.iowa/msg/1d494df85841943b

"I own a quarter of an entire block"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/msg/9806c5ec3716c02c

"Son....its called California Advertising. Half the companies out
here dont have a degree. Just someone who owns it good enough to pass
the tests."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/65ee02118cd78d85

"I was banging my babysitter when I was 11"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/d26fc90c007efee2

"My lawyer will be sending you a summins in the next few weeks or so"
(2011)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.california/msg/f5b8947d02c618fa

"Ive never had a car accident in 30 yrs/10 million miles of driving"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rec.crafts.metalworking/2zzcn370mf0/FQr4Sl0ZAM4J

[Creepy banjo music]

Lies. That's the correct term for them.

[Gunner Asch]

On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 06:56:31 -0700, jo...@hotmail.com wrote:

>On Sat, 02 Apr 2016 23:50:31 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>>Shrug..Im not prone to tall tales. Or fiction.
>
>Uh... that's another stupendously tall tale of fiction right there,
>Wieber.
>
>Here are a few others. Let's hear some new stories about how the old
>ones weren't tall tales and/or total fiction.
>
>"In less than 3 yrs..the People will kill most/all Leftwingers in an
>event known as the Great Cull." (2009)
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.states.iowa/msg/1d494df85841943b

I most certainly got the date wrong. Indeed I did. And I admit it.
But its coming. Think the Constitutionalists are going to let the
Democrats or the RINO Republicrats fuck the country over? Think
again.

>
>"I own a quarter of an entire block"
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/msg/9806c5ec3716c02c

Indeed I do. The photos are on my Picasa page.

>
>"Son....its called California Advertising. Half the companies out
>here dont have a degree. Just someone who owns it good enough to pass
>the tests."
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/65ee02118cd78d85

What was that all about? Coyote Engineering? Its quite legal to call
my company that. And thats what I do. I never advertise myself as an
Engineer. State of California admitted that as well. And they gave me
the name of the person who put me up on the net as a licensed
Engineer. A name Ive not forgotten. At all. Nor will I. Ever.

>
>"I was banging my babysitter when I was 11"
>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/d26fc90c007efee2

And? I was most certainly doing her. And in fact..Dad caught us at it.
Sucked big time.

>
>"My lawyer will be sending you a summins in the next few weeks or so"
>(2011)
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.california/msg/f5b8947d02c618fa

He talked me out of it. (I couldnt come up with enough money....shrug)
Ive taken a course on the matter of suits..online, granted...so when
Im willing to drop the hammer on someone..I can do it myself. No idea
if Ill win..but Ill be going in with a bunch of citations.

>
>"Ive never had a car accident in 30 yrs/10 million miles of driving"
>https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rec.crafts.metalworking/2zzcn370mf0/FQr4Sl0ZAM4J

Only accident I had was in 1970, when I bought my Rambler station
wagon, paid the guy and headed home..and trying to stop at THE
stoplight in Gaylord...found out just how well the copper tubing he
put in as brake lines..worked. Poor bastard I broadsided had just
gotten his Mustang back on the road again that very day. So it was
back luck for the both of us. MSP reamed him a new asshole and he paid
to have the radiator, brakes and headlights fixed, along with a new
hood etc. Never was "right" after that...but it gave me good service
for another year and a bit. Loved Ramblers...ALL the seats folded
flat..turning it into a big playground for teens with high sex drives.
Loved that wagon..loved IN that wagon..and ON that wagon, and so on.

Or are you bitching about the total number of miles? In a later
post..I did some careful calculations..and admitted it was way too
high...it should have been down around 3 million miles.
Thats funny...why did you leave that out? Oh..thats right Jonny
Boi...you are going for maximum damage. Sorry dickweed...didnt hurt
me a bit. I still feel just fine..a bit tired..but just fine. Am I
missing something?

Gunner, who drove 521 miles since Thursday morning at 2am


>
>

[the late Jennie Kinal, the town slut of Winnipeg]

On 4/3/2016 5:24 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 06:56:31 -0700, jo...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 02 Apr 2016 23:50:31 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Shrug..Im not prone to tall tales. Or fiction.
>>
>> Uh... that's another stupendously tall tale of fiction right there,
>> Wieber.
>>
>> Here are a few others. Let's hear some new stories about how the old
>> ones weren't tall tales and/or total fiction.
>>
>> "In less than 3 yrs..the People will kill most/all Leftwingers in an
>> event known as the Great Cull." (2009)
>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.states.iowa/msg/1d494df85841943b
>
> I most certainly got the date wrong. Indeed I did.

You got the whole thing wrong, gummer. No "cull", no "list" - all
bullshit. Agreed.

[sloop...@hotmail.com]

On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 17:24:31 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>

wrote:

>On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 06:56:31 -0700, jo...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 02 Apr 2016 23:50:31 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Shrug..Im not prone to tall tales. Or fiction.
>>
>>Uh... that's another stupendously tall tale of fiction right there,
>>Wieber.
>>
>>Here are a few others. Let's hear some new stories about how the old
>>ones weren't tall tales and/or total fiction.
>>
>>"In less than 3 yrs..the People will kill most/all Leftwingers in an
>>event known as the Great Cull." (2009)
>>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.states.iowa/msg/1d494df85841943b
>
>I most certainly got the date wrong.

No, you were merely advertising your fantasy, AND excusing it by
claiming to be clairvoyant! "My family tends to have clarvoyence"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.fan.states.iowa/OfZkfHOsL4g/VOX_B8RWXUYJ
Too bad you didn't foresee that by working so hard to convince readers
of your dreams of murder, that some of your targets would be motivated
to rhetorically kill you.

>>"I own a quarter of an entire block"
>>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/msg/9806c5ec3716c02c
>
>Indeed I do. The photos are on my Picasa page.

No, you only ever "owned" one tiny, crummy lot covered in crap, with a
run-down doublewide that's allergic to paint or housekeeping. 20 years
ago you promised your wife you'd get her out of that shithole within a
year. "I told her that I would have to work out of town Monday
morning-Friday evening, but I would do this for a year, and in that
time, she would take care of my books (indipendent contractor) and
save enough money so we could move to the L.A. area"
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/misc.survivalism/e1JmzU50aYM/AzZ87v6x7JQJ

"inDIPendent" contractor indeed. That was yet another fantasy. The
facts are that you can't break the suction of that shithole because
you're lazy, and because so much of what little energy you do have is
devoted to besting Walter Mitty. BTW, you should look up the
definition of "negative net worth" before you ever use the word "own"
again.

>>"Son....its called California Advertising. Half the companies out
>>here dont have a degree. Just someone who owns it good enough to pass
>>the tests."
>>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/65ee02118cd78d85
>
>What was that all about? Coyote Engineering?

It's about your preference for using the word "engineer" when you
should be saying "handyman." It's about you wildly exaggerating your
qualifications and experience, such as claiming to have been a
licensed electrician. It's about you making up contradictory excuses
that nobody believes.

> Its quite legal to call my company that.

It's more likely too small an issue to be worth prosecuting a deadbeat
who has other creditors earlier in line. Regardless, there's no
escaping the absurdity of your claims. You're closer to being an
enchilada than an engineer. And your "company" is merely you and your
rubbish. At least Fred Sanford had a company of he and Lamont.

> And thats what I do. I never advertise myself as an
>Engineer. State of California admitted that as well. And they gave me
>the name of the person who put me up on the net as a licensed
>Engineer. A name Ive not forgotten.

Bwahaha! Why bother with these stupid elaborations when you already
admitted it was "California advertising?"

> At all. Nor will I. Ever.

Because of your boasting here, I can well imagine the stories you tell
people when you're hoping to scrounge a few bucks from them. What you
really need is a blind and anosmic customer base, the better to miss
the contradictions between your boasting and the smell of a chain
smoker who sleeps in his van and whose shower is a bottle of GoJo.

>>"I was banging my babysitter when I was 11"
>>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/d26fc90c007efee2
>
>And? I was most certainly doing her. And in fact..Dad caught us at it.
>Sucked big time.

Save your keystrokes. Every time you add a new lie like the 264 mph
motorcycle, you remove any remaining shred of doubt that the previous
stories were true.

>>"My lawyer will be sending you a summins in the next few weeks or so"
>>(2011)
>>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.california/msg/f5b8947d02c618fa
>
>He talked me out of it.

"He" must have talked you out of all the other legal threats as well!
You're fond of the phrase "my laywer(s)." But you don't have a lawyer,
and have never had a case or damages. For starters, you haven't any
good reputation or income to have lost. Which is nobody's fault but
your own.

> (I couldnt come up with enough money....shrug)

What, the "slander and libel" <chuckle> of Usenet posts ruined your
promising future? Apparently you've forgotten that the archives are
full of you blaming that on "dems," "leftists," various presidents,
your wife, some guy who blackballed you, etc.

Not to mention that your future was never promising anyway.

>Ive taken a course on the matter of suits..online, granted...so when
>Im willing to drop the hammer on someone..I can do it myself.

Another talent of the Amazing Wieber! Ok, I want to be the first
defendant to face Taft's very own Perry Mason wannabe. Get busy, and
order one of these for full effect. http://tinyurl.com/jfexj7j

> No idea if Ill win..but Ill be going in with a bunch of citations.

Nope, you know full well you can't win, and won't be suing anyone. You
haven't a scintilla of a case, and anybody you sued would have "a
bunch of citations" to show that you're a pathological liar, addicted
to defending yourself by writing ever more extravagant lies and grade
school taunts, and frequently resorting to death threats. You'd be
laughed out of court, assuming there's one with a strong enough floor
to support the pile of printouts of your written delusions. But
there's nothing stopping you from making your case right here. Start
by showing some receipts. Or perhaps you think you could tell a judge
you won't produce them until he pays! Read Johnny Bonkers' lawsuit
judgment to learn how easily judges can see through gasbags like the
two of you.

>>"Ive never had a car accident in 30 yrs/10 million miles of driving"
>>https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rec.crafts.metalworking/2zzcn370mf0/FQr4Sl0ZAM4J

>Or are you bitching about the total number of miles? In a later
>post..I did some careful calculations..and admitted it was way too
>high...it should have been down around 3 million miles.

No, it isn't three million either, or any of the other numbers you
made up out of thin air. And therein lies your problem: a lack of
sufficient intelligence to make your lies at least slightly credible.
Shit can only be stacked so high before the new turds slide off the
top of the pile and onto your feet. You reached that point so long ago
that now you need a snorkel to breathe.

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 11:28:50 -0700, sloop...@hotmail.com wrote:

>On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 17:24:31 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 06:56:31 -0700, jo...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 02 Apr 2016 23:50:31 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Shrug..Im not prone to tall tales. Or fiction.
>>>
>>>Uh... that's another stupendously tall tale of fiction right there,
>>>Wieber.
>>>
>>>Here are a few others. Let's hear some new stories about how the old
>>>ones weren't tall tales and/or total fiction.
>>>
>>>"In less than 3 yrs..the People will kill most/all Leftwingers in an
>>>event known as the Great Cull." (2009)
>>>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.states.iowa/msg/1d494df85841943b
>>
>>I most certainly got the date wrong.
>
>No, you were merely advertising your fantasy, AND excusing it by
>claiming to be clairvoyant! "My family tends to have clarvoyence"
>https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.fan.states.iowa/OfZkfHOsL4g/VOX_B8RWXUYJ
>Too bad you didn't foresee that by working so hard to convince readers
>of your dreams of murder, that some of your targets would be motivated
>to rhetorically kill you.

Odd..I dont see any link to the Great Cull and my (minor and sporadic)
clarvoyance. Can you post a cite?

>
>>>"I own a quarter of an entire block"
>>>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/msg/9806c5ec3716c02c
>>
>>Indeed I do. The photos are on my Picasa page.
>
>No, you only ever "owned" one tiny, crummy lot covered in crap, with a
>run-down doublewide that's allergic to paint or housekeeping. 20 years
>ago you promised your wife you'd get her out of that shithole within a
>year. "I told her that I would have to work out of town Monday
>morning-Friday evening, but I would do this for a year, and in that
>time, she would take care of my books (indipendent contractor) and
>save enough money so we could move to the L.A. area"
>https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/misc.survivalism/e1JmzU50aYM/AzZ87v6x7JQJ

Cites to my not owning the 3 other lots around me? Trot em out.
She is very happy we stayed. Bored out of her skull..but admitted if
we had moved south..we would have been screwed.
Trot those pesky cites out, please.

>
>"inDIPendent" contractor indeed. That was yet another fantasy. The
>facts are that you can't break the suction of that shithole because
>you're lazy, and because so much of what little energy you do have is
>devoted to besting Walter Mitty. BTW, you should look up the
>definition of "negative net worth" before you ever use the word "own"
>again.

So Im not an independant contractor? $100 for (1) of my 10-99s. Cheap
at that price..right?

>
>>>"Son....its called California Advertising. Half the companies out
>>>here dont have a degree. Just someone who owns it good enough to pass
>>>the tests."
>>>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/65ee02118cd78d85
>>
>>What was that all about? Coyote Engineering?
>
>It's about your preference for using the word "engineer" when you
>should be saying "handyman." It's about you wildly exaggerating your
>qualifications and experience, such as claiming to have been a
>licensed electrician. It's about you making up contradictory excuses
>that nobody believes.

I was indeed a licensed electrician, and in fact, a RME.."responsible
managing employee" with a C-7/C10 on record. I take it yet you havent
contacted the State of California. Is there some reason you have
failed to do that? Afraid you would be (again) shown up to be an
utter buffoon? Sorry old chap...much too late for that. That was
established long...long ago.

>
>> Its quite legal to call my company that.
>
>It's more likely too small an issue to be worth prosecuting a deadbeat
>who has other creditors earlier in line. Regardless, there's no
>escaping the absurdity of your claims. You're closer to being an
>enchilada than an engineer. And your "company" is merely you and your
>rubbish. At least Fred Sanford had a company of he and Lamont.

Engineer? Ive never claimed to be an engineer. Can you please provide
the cites for that? Other than your self fixated fantasy world .... I
do engineering indeed. I however..NEVER call myself an engineer. That
would be unlawful here in California. At least..calling myself a
licensed engineer would, as I am not nor have ever been on.
On the other than..you called yourself cogent and smart..and the same
applies. Sadly.

>
>> And thats what I do. I never advertise myself as an
>>Engineer. State of California admitted that as well. And they gave me
>>the name of the person who put me up on the net as a licensed
>>Engineer. A name Ive not forgotten.
>
>Bwahaha! Why bother with these stupid elaborations when you already
>admitted it was "California advertising?"

Because it was not MY advertising. I certainly never posted ANYWHERE
that I was a licensed engineer..Johnny boi. And I have the name of
the person who did just that. And someday...he will be given the
treatment he deserves for that act of fraud and hate. Feel the clock
ticking?

>
>> At all. Nor will I. Ever.
>
>Because of your boasting here, I can well imagine the stories you tell
>people when you're hoping to scrounge a few bucks from them. What you
>really need is a blind and anosmic customer base, the better to miss
>the contradictions between your boasting and the smell of a chain
>smoker who sleeps in his van and whose shower is a bottle of GoJo.

Chuckle....(VBG)

>
>>>"I was banging my babysitter when I was 11"
>>>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/d26fc90c007efee2
>>
>>And? I was most certainly doing her. And in fact..Dad caught us at it.
>>Sucked big time.
>
>Save your keystrokes. Every time you add a new lie like the 264 mph
>motorcycle, you remove any remaining shred of doubt that the previous
>stories were true.

Yawn. Ill asked for cites..but..shrug..you will certainly just blovate
and provide nothing except for more hate.

>
>>>"My lawyer will be sending you a summins in the next few weeks or so"
>>>(2011)
>>>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.california/msg/f5b8947d02c618fa
>>
>>He talked me out of it.
>
>"He" must have talked you out of all the other legal threats as well!
>You're fond of the phrase "my laywer(s)." But you don't have a lawyer,
>and have never had a case or damages. For starters, you haven't any
>good reputation or income to have lost. Which is nobody's fault but
>your own.

Cites? Trot em out. WE would be happy to look at them.

>
>> (I couldnt come up with enough money....shrug)
>
>What, the "slander and libel" <chuckle> of Usenet posts ruined your
>promising future? Apparently you've forgotten that the archives are
>full of you blaming that on "dems," "leftists," various presidents,
>your wife, some guy who blackballed you, etc.

Which "slander and libel" are you referring to? Your slander? Your
libel? You do know that they are different from each other, are you
not? You of course are guilty of both, along with fraud.

>
>Not to mention that your future was never promising anyway.

Sure beats yours.

>
>>Ive taken a course on the matter of suits..online, granted...so when
>>Im willing to drop the hammer on someone..I can do it myself.
>
>Another talent of the Amazing Wieber! Ok, I want to be the first
>defendant to face Taft's very own Perry Mason wannabe. Get busy, and
>order one of these for full effect. http://tinyurl.com/jfexj7j

One of what? Ive gotten to the point of not trusting any links you
provide, so tell me what it is. As for Perry Mason..he was a TV actor
wasnt he?

>
>> No idea if Ill win..but Ill be going in with a bunch of citations.
>
>Nope, you know full well you can't win, and won't be suing anyone. You
>haven't a scintilla of a case, and anybody you sued would have "a
>bunch of citations" to show that you're a pathological liar, addicted
>to defending yourself by writing ever more extravagant lies and grade
>school taunts, and frequently resorting to death threats. You'd be
>laughed out of court, assuming there's one with a strong enough floor
>to support the pile of printouts of your written delusions. But
>there's nothing stopping you from making your case right here. Start
>by showing some receipts. Or perhaps you think you could tell a judge
>you won't produce them until he pays! Read Johnny Bonkers' lawsuit
>judgment to learn how easily judges can see through gasbags like the
>two of you.

(VBG). Care to try being my first test case? Do yah punk?

>
>>>"Ive never had a car accident in 30 yrs/10 million miles of driving"
>>>https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rec.crafts.metalworking/2zzcn370mf0/FQr4Sl0ZAM4J
>
>>Or are you bitching about the total number of miles? In a later
>>post..I did some careful calculations..and admitted it was way too
>>high...it should have been down around 3 million miles.
>
>No, it isn't three million either, or any of the other numbers you
>made up out of thin air. And therein lies your problem: a lack of
>sufficient intelligence to make your lies at least slightly credible.
>Shit can only be stacked so high before the new turds slide off the
>top of the pile and onto your feet. You reached that point so long ago
>that now you need a snorkel to breathe.

Cites that it wasnt 3 million miles? Take all the whitespace you
need, while you are masturbating here on usenet. Go for it. Double
dog dare you. Bring em and post em.

(VBG)

Poor Johnny...doesnt have a hat to shit in.

Gunner

[nickname unavailable]

On 4/3/2016 5:24 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:

You turned 16 in November 1970. Unless you immediately obtained a
driver license without going through driver training, you didn't buy a
car in 1970.

> Or are you bitching about the total number of miles? In a later
> post..I did some careful calculations..and admitted it was way too
> high...it should have been down around 3 million miles.

If you did nothing but drive at 70 mph for 8 hours a day, five days a
week, 50 weeks per year, it would take you 21.4 years to drive 3,000,000
miles. You have not driven 3,000,000 miles.

Just one stupid fucking lie piled atop another.

[rangerssuck]

On Sunday, April 3, 2016 at 8:28:07 PM UTC-4, Gunner Asch wrote:

> Or are you bitching about the total number of miles? In a later
> post..I did some careful calculations..and admitted it was way too
> high...it should have been down around 3 million miles.
> Thats funny...why did you leave that out? Oh..thats right Jonny
> Boi...you are going for maximum damage. Sorry dickweed...didnt hurt
> me a bit. I still feel just fine..a bit tired..but just fine. Am I
> missing something?
>
> Gunner, who drove 521 miles since Thursday morning at 2am

If that 521 mile figure is supposed to prove that you've driven 3 million miles, well, you've missed again, Gummy.

Let's do some math. (3,000,000 / (63-16)) / 365 = 174.87 miles per day. Every Day since you turned 16. Yes, you would have had to have driven nearly 175 miles EVERY FUCKING DAY THAT YOU'VE HAD A LICENSE. 521 miles in roughly 3.5 days is a whopping 148.85 miles a day.

So, even if you had done this exhausting drive every day for 47 years, you still wouldn't have gone 3 million miles.

Math sucks, doesn't it?

[Ed Huntress]

Actually, he turned 17 in 1970. (Nov. 11).

But it you want a head-scratcher of a timeline, consider this:

1) Graduated from high school in June, 1971, at age 17.

2) Attended Kirtland Community College, Roscommon, MI, 1971.

3) Enlisted in the army at age 17, 1971, under an assumed name that he
plucked off of a gravestone, and for which he had a birth certificate
made.

4) Turned 18 on Nov. 11, 1971.

5) Sent to Vietnam in 1971.

6) Has a DD-214 with the assumed name in the bottom of a locker at his
parents' home in Michigan.

Impossible? No. But try wrapping your head around why one would do
that when he was going to be fully qualified on Nov. 11, and enlisted
*after* he had attended a community college in the same year, having
graduated from high school in June.

There's another one, regarding claims about the VA that I don't think
Kidding has ever tackled, but it's really the most curious of all.
However, we know where it will lead, and it isn't worth the time to
dig it up.

>
>> Or are you bitching about the total number of miles? In a later
>> post..I did some careful calculations..and admitted it was way too
>> high...it should have been down around 3 million miles.
>
>If you did nothing but drive at 70 mph for 8 hours a day, five days a
>week, 50 weeks per year, it would take you 21.4 years to drive 3,000,000
>miles. You have not driven 3,000,000 miles.
>
>Just one stupid fucking lie piled atop another.

It's a lifestyle. <g>

--
Ed Huntress

[Ed Huntress]

Man, the hemorrhoids must be ferocious...

[amdx]

On 3/30/2016 9:32 AM, whoyak...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 14:09:07 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/03/29/current-former-detroit-school-principals-charged/82378558/

>
> Cherry picking the news to reinforce your crackpot ideology is a sign
> of low intelligence and dishonesty.

That's no way to talk about Keysor, I mean he does it all the time,
but still.

[sloop...@hotmail.com]

On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 12:41:42 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>

wrote:

>On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 11:28:50 -0700, sloop...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 17:24:31 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 06:56:31 -0700, jo...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 02 Apr 2016 23:50:31 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Shrug..Im not prone to tall tales. Or fiction.
>>>>
>>>>Uh... that's another stupendously tall tale of fiction right there,
>>>>Wieber.
>>>>
>>>>Here are a few others. Let's hear some new stories about how the old
>>>>ones weren't tall tales and/or total fiction.
>>>>
>>>>"In less than 3 yrs..the People will kill most/all Leftwingers in an
>>>>event known as the Great Cull." (2009)
>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.states.iowa/msg/1d494df85841943b
>>>
>>>I most certainly got the date wrong.
>>
>>No, you were merely advertising your fantasy, AND excusing it by
>>claiming to be clairvoyant! "My family tends to have clarvoyence"
>>https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.fan.states.iowa/OfZkfHOsL4g/VOX_B8RWXUYJ
>>Too bad you didn't foresee that by working so hard to convince readers
>>of your dreams of murder, that some of your targets would be motivated
>>to rhetorically kill you.
>
>Odd..I dont see any link to the Great Cull and my (minor and sporadic)
>clarvoyance. Can you post a cite?

I just did, you idiot.

"My family tends to have clarvoyence... ....Us men
have it when our lives are in danger.... This one is #6. Ill not
bore you with the details of my part of it and what kills me in the
vision....but in the larger scheme of things...all the dead
Leftists...shrug"

Unless your vision was you clutching your chest, you are insane. Oh
hell, you're insane regardless.

Unless and until you can find and keep a job, you're an impotent bag
of wind.

>Cites to my not owning the 3 other lots around me?

You wrote a long woe-is-me spiel about being ordered to remove your
trespassing crap from the lot next door.

"I am in negotiations with the owner to purchase the empty lot." "....
I was "illegally dumping"..despite having the owners
permission"

So readers are supposed to believe that you had permission from the
owner who is yourself, to dump on the lot you previously claimed to
own! Those damned cops, how could they NOT believe such a sensible
story!
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/886e55dd68ec765b
Let me guess... that lot isn't one of the three, but on the FOURTH
surrounding side! And you condensed all your crap onto your postage
stamp instead of using any of the rest of your empire!

Wouldn't it make more sense to look at what you've posted previously,
and try to come up with a fable that is at least somewhat believable?

>>"inDIPendent" contractor indeed. That was yet another fantasy. The
>>facts are that you can't break the suction of that shithole because
>>you're lazy, and because so much of what little energy you do have is
>>devoted to besting Walter Mitty. BTW, you should look up the
>>definition of "negative net worth" before you ever use the word "own"
>>again.
>
>So Im not an independant contractor?

You are a non-responsive buffoon who can't stop telling silly lies,
and who imagines that somebody, somewhere, is dumb enough not to
notice.

>I was indeed a licensed electrician,

No, it's just another stupid lie that you'll only ever support with
more exaggerated BS.

> I do engineering

No, you don't "do" "engineering." You use the term because you think
it makes more sense to exaggerate than to admit you're a part-time
junk dealer. And you simply refuse to accept how easy it is for
readers to see through the hyperbole.

>>> And thats what I do. I never advertise myself as an
>>>Engineer. State of California admitted that as well. And they gave me
>>>the name of the person who put me up on the net as a licensed
>>>Engineer. A name Ive not forgotten.
>>
>>Bwahaha! Why bother with these stupid elaborations when you already
>>admitted it was "California advertising?"

>Because it was not MY advertising.

Sure it was. And the California advertising excuse was your first
response to getting caught. The later stories about some nefarious
person putting up ads for you are absurdly transparent.

> I have the name of the person who did just that.

Then let's see it, as well as the name of the person in CA government
who clued you in to this mysterious plot. Will you be making up some
names, or writing some crazy excuses about why you're keeping the
names a secret?

> And someday...he will be given the treatment he deserves

No he won't, because he doesn't exist. "Leftists" aren't "hacking"
your computer, and nobody is putting up ads for you. There are
probably sites copying info from one another, but the original info
came from you. And don't bother pretending that you don't advertise
yourself, because here's one of them.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-wieber-00bb3660
BTW, isn't begging for a job a little beneath the Amazing Wieber? How
is it that word of mouth hasn't caused Wieber Inc. Headquarters to be
washed away by a flood of job offers? LOL

>Feel the clock ticking?

Your imaginary clock stopped clicking a long time ago, and your
juvenile threats never intimidated anyone. I thought that even someone
as stupid as you would eventually figure out that online threats are
pointless, but you've proven me wrong.

Cue the ever-predictable Wieber hilariously writing "so you admit you
were wrong."

>>>>"My lawyer will be sending you a summins in the next few weeks or so"
>>>>(2011)
>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.california/msg/f5b8947d02c618fa
>>>
>>>He talked me out of it.
>>
>>"He" must have talked you out of all the other legal threats as well!
>>You're fond of the phrase "my laywer(s)." But you don't have a lawyer,
>>and have never had a case or damages. For starters, you haven't any
>>good reputation or income to have lost. Which is nobody's fault but
>>your own.
>
>Cites? Trot em out. WE would be happy to look at them.

We? As in you and the cockroaches in your pocket? Oh, you mean you and
your lawyers! Hahahaha! Let's see a receipt for any payments to any
lawyers. Now listen to the clock ticking toward: "pay me to prove I'm
telling the truth." LOL

>>> (I couldnt come up with enough money....shrug)
>>
>>What, the "slander and libel" <chuckle> of Usenet posts ruined your
>>promising future? Apparently you've forgotten that the archives are
>>full of you blaming that on "dems," "leftists," various presidents,
>>your wife, some guy who blackballed you, etc.
>
>Which "slander and libel" are you referring to?

"I hope you have money..because I just retired <VBG>!!!!"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.california/msg/f5b8947d02c618fa

So, how's that !!!!retirement!!!! coming along? Decided to go for the
sleep-in-van-most-nights package, eh?

> Your slander? Your libel? You do know that they are different from each other, are you
>not?

Well yeah, but you didn't. Must have been embarrassing to learn that
the hard way, in public. Oh wait, you don't get embarrassed, you just
walk softly and carry a big list of names you're having killed! Oh no,
excuse me, the new threat is that you're going to use your online law
diploma to sue your tormentors ... any day now!

> You of course are guilty of both, along with fraud.

Well then, sue me and have me charged! What are you waiting for? Best
to get my money and see me in jail BEFORE I get culled, right?

>>Not to mention that your future was never promising anyway.
>
>Sure beats yours.
>>
>>>Ive taken a course on the matter of suits..online, granted...so when
>>>Im willing to drop the hammer on someone..I can do it myself.
>>
>>Another talent of the Amazing Wieber! Ok, I want to be the first
>>defendant to face Taft's very own Perry Mason wannabe.

>(VBG). Care to try being my first test case? Do yah punk?

I ALREADY asked to be first! Multiple times! Sheesh, get working on
your breefs already, cownsillir. And try to keep them from getting
tangled in a rotating shaft.

>>No, it isn't three million either, or any of the other numbers you
>>made up out of thin air. And therein lies your problem: a lack of
>>sufficient intelligence to make your lies at least slightly credible.
>>Shit can only be stacked so high before the new turds slide off the
>>top of the pile and onto your feet. You reached that point so long ago
>>that now you need a snorkel to breathe.
>
>Cites that it wasnt 3 million miles?

Deduct your posting time, sleeping time, begging for smokes time,
Victoria's Secret model-banging time, and all the rootin-tootin
Amazing Wieber adventure time from the number of hours in 30 years,
and multiply what's left by the average speed of a beater driven by a
loser who can't afford gas money. It doesn't compute, you moron. Even
after you revised the original boast downward multiple times, NOBODY
believes numbers you're pulling out of your ass.

[Dave Taylor]

On 4/4/2016 12:41 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 11:28:50 -0700, sloop...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 17:24:31 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 06:56:31 -0700, jo...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 02 Apr 2016 23:50:31 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Shrug..Im not prone to tall tales. Or fiction.
>>>>
>>>> Uh... that's another stupendously tall tale of fiction right there,
>>>> Wieber.
>>>>
>>>> Here are a few others. Let's hear some new stories about how the old
>>>> ones weren't tall tales and/or total fiction.
>>>>
>>>> "In less than 3 yrs..the People will kill most/all Leftwingers in an
>>>> event known as the Great Cull." (2009)
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.states.iowa/msg/1d494df85841943b
>>>
>>> I most certainly got the date wrong.
>>
>> No, you were merely advertising your fantasy, AND excusing it by
>> claiming to be clairvoyant! "My family tends to have clarvoyence"
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.fan.states.iowa/OfZkfHOsL4g/VOX_B8RWXUYJ
>> Too bad you didn't foresee that by working so hard to convince readers
>> of your dreams of murder, that some of your targets would be motivated
>> to rhetorically kill you.
>
> Odd..I dont see any link to the Great Cull and my (minor and sporadic)
> clarvoyance. Can you post a cite?

He did, liar.

>>>> "I own a quarter of an entire block"
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/msg/9806c5ec3716c02c
>>>
>>> Indeed I do. The photos are on my Picasa page.
>>
>> No, you only ever "owned" one tiny, crummy lot covered in crap, with a
>> run-down doublewide that's allergic to paint or housekeeping. 20 years
>> ago you promised your wife you'd get her out of that shithole within a
>> year. "I told her that I would have to work out of town Monday
>> morning-Friday evening, but I would do this for a year, and in that
>> time, she would take care of my books (indipendent contractor) and
>> save enough money so we could move to the L.A. area"
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/misc.survivalism/e1JmzU50aYM/AzZ87v6x7JQJ
>
> Cites to my not owning the 3 other lots around me?

Cites that you do, please.

>> "inDIPendent" contractor indeed. That was yet another fantasy. The
>> facts are that you can't break the suction of that shithole because
>> you're lazy, and because so much of what little energy you do have is
>> devoted to besting Walter Mitty. BTW, you should look up the
>> definition of "negative net worth" before you ever use the word "own"
>> again.
>
> So Im not an independant contractor?

No.

>>>> "Son....its called California Advertising. Half the companies out
>>>> here dont have a degree. Just someone who owns it good enough to pass
>>>> the tests."
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.machines.cnc/msg/65ee02118cd78d85
>>>
>>> What was that all about? Coyote Engineering?
>>
>> It's about your preference for using the word "engineer" when you
>> should be saying "handyman." It's about you wildly exaggerating your
>> qualifications and experience, such as claiming to have been a
>> licensed electrician. It's about you making up contradictory excuses
>> that nobody believes.
>
> I was indeed a licensed electrician

Cite.

>>
>>> Its quite legal to call my company that.
>>
>> It's more likely too small an issue to be worth prosecuting a deadbeat
>> who has other creditors earlier in line. Regardless, there's no
>> escaping the absurdity of your claims. You're closer to being an
>> enchilada than an engineer. And your "company" is merely you and your
>> rubbish. At least Fred Sanford had a company of he and Lamont.
>
> Engineer? Ive never claimed to be an engineer.

Liar. "California advertising," remember?

>>> And thats what I do. I never advertise myself as an
>>> Engineer. State of California admitted that as well. And they gave me
>>> the name of the person who put me up on the net as a licensed
>>> Engineer. A name Ive not forgotten.
>>
>> Bwahaha! Why bother with these stupid elaborations when you already
>> admitted it was "California advertising?"
> Because it was not MY advertising.

Cite.

>>> At all. Nor will I. Ever.
>>
>> Because of your boasting here, I can well imagine the stories you tell
>> people when you're hoping to scrounge a few bucks from them. What you
>> really need is a blind and anosmic customer base, the better to miss
>> the contradictions between your boasting and the smell of a chain
>> smoker who sleeps in his van and whose shower is a bottle of GoJo.
>
> Chuckle....(VBG)

He's got you.

>>>> "I was banging my babysitter when I was 11"
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/d26fc90c007efee2
>>>
>>> And? I was most certainly doing her. And in fact..Dad caught us at it.
>>> Sucked big time.
>>
>> Save your keystrokes. Every time you add a new lie like the 264 mph
>> motorcycle, you remove any remaining shred of doubt that the previous
>> stories were true.
>
> Yawn. Ill asked for cites

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.crafts.metalworking/dorBcPzBuaI/f8FzSPc0R1AJ

>>>> "My lawyer will be sending you a summins in the next few weeks or so"
>>>> (2011)
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.california/msg/f5b8947d02c618fa
>>>
>>> He talked me out of it.
>>
>> "He" must have talked you out of all the other legal threats as well!
>> You're fond of the phrase "my laywer(s)." But you don't have a lawyer,
>> and have never had a case or damages. For starters, you haven't any
>> good reputation or income to have lost. Which is nobody's fault but
>> your own.
>
> Cites?

Don't need "cites" to show that you don't have any good reputation or
income to have lost. You've told us.

Your reputation is shit. That includes your professional reputation.

>>> (I couldnt come up with enough money....shrug)
>>
>> What, the "slander and libel" <chuckle> of Usenet posts ruined your
>> promising future? Apparently you've forgotten that the archives are
>> full of you blaming that on "dems," "leftists," various presidents,
>> your wife, some guy who blackballed you, etc.
>
> Which "slander and libel" are you referring to? Your slander? Your
> libel?

No, the fictitious slander and libel you have claimed have been directed
at you.

>>
>> Not to mention that your future was never promising anyway.
>
> Sure beats yours.

No, it doesn't.

>>> Ive taken a course on the matter of suits..online, granted...so when
>>> Im willing to drop the hammer on someone..I can do it myself.
>>
>> Another talent of the Amazing Wieber! Ok, I want to be the first
>> defendant to face Taft's very own Perry Mason wannabe. Get busy, and
>> order one of these for full effect. http://tinyurl.com/jfexj7j
>
> One of what? Ive gotten to the point of not trusting any links you
> provide,

And we're supposed to trust yours, eh?

> so tell me what it is.

Go to the site and see for yourself.

> As for Perry Mason..he was a TV actor wasnt he?

No, fuckwit. He was the character. An actor played him.

Stupid fuck.

>>> No idea if Ill win..but Ill be going in with a bunch of citations.
>>
>> Nope, you know full well you can't win, and won't be suing anyone.

That's a guarantee: gummer won't be suing anyone.

>> You haven't a scintilla of a case, and anybody you sued would have "a
>> bunch of citations" to show that you're a pathological liar, addicted
>> to defending yourself by writing ever more extravagant lies and grade
>> school taunts, and frequently resorting to death threats. You'd be
>> laughed out of court, assuming there's one with a strong enough floor
>> to support the pile of printouts of your written delusions. But
>> there's nothing stopping you from making your case right here. Start
>> by showing some receipts. Or perhaps you think you could tell a judge
>> you won't produce them until he pays! Read Johnny Bonkers' lawsuit
>> judgment to learn how easily judges can see through gasbags like the
>> two of you.
>
> (VBG). Care to try being my first test case? Do yah punk?

Go for it, gummer. You won't, of course.

>>>> "Ive never had a car accident in 30 yrs/10 million miles of driving"
>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rec.crafts.metalworking/2zzcn370mf0/FQr4Sl0ZAM4J
>>
>>> Or are you bitching about the total number of miles? In a later
>>> post..I did some careful calculations..and admitted it was way too
>>> high...it should have been down around 3 million miles.
>>
>> No, it isn't three million either, or any of the other numbers you
>> made up out of thin air. And therein lies your problem: a lack of
>> sufficient intelligence to make your lies at least slightly credible.
>> Shit can only be stacked so high before the new turds slide off the
>> top of the pile and onto your feet. You reached that point so long ago
>> that now you need a snorkel to breathe.
>
> Cites that it wasnt 3 million miles?

Cite that it was.

He has you, gummer.

[Leonard Leonard]

Ha ha ha! That was in response to *ME* he posted that.

Of course, I never got any "summins" or anything else from his "lawyers."

gummer gets his ass handed to him yet again.

[nickname unavailable]

Right; my mistake.

> But it you want a head-scratcher of a timeline, consider this:
>
> 1) Graduated from high school in June, 1971, at age 17.
>
> 2) Attended Kirtland Community College, Roscommon, MI, 1971.

Missed that detail before; knew about the others.

> 3) Enlisted in the army at age 17, 1971, under an assumed name that he
> plucked off of a gravestone, and for which he had a birth certificate
> made.
>
> 4) Turned 18 on Nov. 11, 1971.
>
> 5) Sent to Vietnam in 1971.

That's what seems completely implausible. If he graduated from high
school June 1971, then attended the community college for any
appreciable amount of time thereafter, he simply wouldn't have had
enough time to

a) enlist
b) complete basic training
c) complete advanced infantry training
d) complete Ranger training

and still have been sent to Vietnam by the end of the year. And all of
that when the Army already was rapidly withdrawing combat troops from
the country.

> 6) Has a DD-214 with the assumed name in the bottom of a locker at his
> parents' home in Michigan.
>
> Impossible? No. But try wrapping your head around why one would do
> that when he was going to be fully qualified on Nov. 11, and enlisted
> *after* he had attended a community college in the same year, having
> graduated from high school in June.
>
> There's another one, regarding claims about the VA that I don't think
> Kidding has ever tackled, but it's really the most curious of all.
> However, we know where it will lead, and it isn't worth the time to
> dig it up.

Let's have a hint at it - maybe someone will dig it up.

[Ed Huntress]

On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 17:19:20 -0700, nickname unavailable

Ya' think? <g> These "tales" of Gunners typically are strings of
unlikely events, compounded upon each other.

>If he graduated from high
>school June 1971, then attended the community college for any
>appreciable amount of time thereafter, he simply wouldn't have had
>enough time to
>
> a) enlist
> b) complete basic training
> c) complete advanced infantry training
> d) complete Ranger training

It certainly is a stretch. I do doubt, though, that he attended
Kirtland for long, if at all.

>
>and still have been sent to Vietnam by the end of the year. And all of
>that when the Army already was rapidly withdrawing combat troops from
>the country.

Another eyebrow-raiser.

>
>> 6) Has a DD-214 with the assumed name in the bottom of a locker at his
>> parents' home in Michigan.
>>
>> Impossible? No. But try wrapping your head around why one would do
>> that when he was going to be fully qualified on Nov. 11, and enlisted
>> *after* he had attended a community college in the same year, having
>> graduated from high school in June.
>>
>> There's another one, regarding claims about the VA that I don't think
>> Kidding has ever tackled, but it's really the most curious of all.
>> However, we know where it will lead, and it isn't worth the time to
>> dig it up.
>
>Let's have a hint at it - maybe someone will dig it up.

Remember that his DD-214 supposedly is under an assumed name. On at
least two occassions, Gunner has remarked that he tried VA medical
services, but didn't like it. Then, after his (second?) heart attack,
his answer for not using VA medical services was that it would be too
much of a hassle to correct his military record so that he would be
eligible for the VA...

Hmmm...

Anyway, it's not easy to track that stuff back, but maybe someone has
better resources.

FWIW, my best guess is that he does have a DD-214, and that the name
on it is Mark R. Wieber.

--
Ed Huntress

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

Ed Huntress <hunt...@optonline.net> fired this volley in
news:fr16gbhrs7nsh0caj...@4ax.com:

> FWIW, my best guess is that he does have a DD-214, and that the name
> on it is Mark R. Wieber.
>
> --
> Ed Huntress

Probably. I think the 10MM miles in 30 years might be just a _little_
exaggerated, though.

That would mean turning in about 912.62 miles every day, 365.25 days per
year, for 30 years continuously -- every freakin' day.

That would be no break for military service. No break for Jr. College.
No break for time working at clients... just driving and gassing-up and
having an 'exchange vehicle' waiting exactly at the breakdown point
whenever one gave up the ghost.

Tough on tires, and nerves, that.

LLoyd

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> fired this volley in
news:XnsA5E0D55DD5839ll...@216.168.4.170:

> Tough on tires, and nerves, that.

And yeah... I saw his response, to which I would say --

"Tough on tires, and nerves, that.

That's still 300+ miles EVERY DAY, 365 & A QUARTER!

L

[sloop...@hotmail.com]

On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 16:43:34 -0700, Leonard Leonard <l.a....@kfi.con>
wrote:

>On 4/4/2016 4:23 PM, sloop...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 12:41:42 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 11:28:50 -0700, sloop...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 17:24:31 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 06:56:31 -0700, jo...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 02 Apr 2016 23:50:31 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:

>>> Which "slander and libel" are you referring to?
>>
>> "I hope you have money..because I just retired <VBG>!!!!"
>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.california/msg/f5b8947d02c618fa
>>
>> So, how's that !!!!retirement!!!! coming along? Decided to go for the
>> sleep-in-van-most-nights package, eh?
>
>Ha ha ha! That was in response to *ME* he posted that.

But he seems to think it was me! In his defense though, how could he
possibly keep track of everyone who makes fun of him? Too bad he
didn't think of writing notes in the sidebar of the cull list.

>Of course, I never got any "summins" or anything else from his "lawyers."

Yeah, I'm still waiting to be served as well. Perhaps he keeps losing
his copies of my message headers, which seem to be of great import to
him. What with his online legal training and all. LOL I'm thinking
this training was one of those chat pop-ups, and I can imagine him
asking if it was a good idea to keep saying how much he enjoys reading
the insults of the people he intends to sue for insulting him.

Speaking of his legal training, gotta love that when I ask him to tell
new stories, he always obliges! He's probably scouring obits right now
to come up with some dead folks' names to use in his next opus of
failure. Although I swear, if he cut up a handful of his most often
used non-responses, he could glue them into a magic 8 ball and shake
out his posts.

[John B.]

I Understand that Army Records or perhaps the VA has a site that
allows one to download one's military records so that he doesn't have
to drive all the way to Michigan and root around in his folks
basement. Just download the form and post it.

It might be interesting that Beau Geste, back in 1924, did something
similar, except that he enlisted in the Foreign Legion.

>Impossible? No. But try wrapping your head around why one would do
>that when he was going to be fully qualified on Nov. 11, and enlisted
>*after* he had attended a community college in the same year, having
>graduated from high school in June.
>
>There's another one, regarding claims about the VA that I don't think
>Kidding has ever tackled, but it's really the most curious of all.
>However, we know where it will lead, and it isn't worth the time to
>dig it up.
>
>>
>>> Or are you bitching about the total number of miles? In a later
>>> post..I did some careful calculations..and admitted it was way too
>>> high...it should have been down around 3 million miles.
>>
>>If you did nothing but drive at 70 mph for 8 hours a day, five days a
>>week, 50 weeks per year, it would take you 21.4 years to drive 3,000,000
>>miles. You have not driven 3,000,000 miles.
>>
>>Just one stupid fucking lie piled atop another.
>
>It's a lifestyle. <g>
--

Cheers,

John B.

[Ed Huntress]

On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 08:09:58 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Yeah. The record archives are in St Louis, and are accessible online.

[Ed Huntress]

I wonder how much toxic gas he's released into the atmosphere over all
those years?

--
Ed Huntress

>
>LLoyd

[Gunner Asch]

Yes and?

>
>Unless your vision was you clutching your chest, you are insane. Oh
>hell, you're insane regardless.

Actually..my vision showed me being killed by 2 black guys who
hijacked my truck.

>
>Unless and until you can find and keep a job, you're an impotent bag
>of wind.

The opinion of a spitoon is noted with great amusment.

>
>>Cites to my not owning the 3 other lots around me?
>
>You wrote a long woe-is-me spiel about being ordered to remove your
>trespassing crap from the lot next door.

Ayup..and I then bought it from the owner for $5k.

>
>"I am in negotiations with the owner to purchase the empty lot." "....
>I was "illegally dumping"..despite having the owners
>permission"

Hardly "illegally dumping" Please define "illegal dumping" via
California state legal code. Ill be waiting.

>
>So readers are supposed to believe that you had permission from the
>owner who is yourself, to dump on the lot you previously claimed to
>own! Those damned cops, how could they NOT believe such a sensible
>story!
>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/886e55dd68ec765b
>Let me guess... that lot isn't one of the three, but on the FOURTH
>surrounding side! And you condensed all your crap onto your postage
>stamp instead of using any of the rest of your empire!

I had purchased the lot behind and across the street before the side
lot. I talked to Don G..the owner about the cargo container..he said
he didnt have any problem with it as long as I kept the lot up. The
"lady" from the County had a problem with it. So I moved it onto my
property. Again she had a problem with that. So I talked to her
boss. He had her drop the issue as he didnt have a problem with that
either. As I mentioned to him..there are at least 3 or 4 others in the
neighborhood, and I took him around to look at them. He shrugged,
said..OK, no problem..it is south Taft afterall..and the issue was
dropped. Now you have a problem with it? You living in Long Beach
or whereever the fuck you call home..perhaps the Home...and I, about
150+ miles north up in the Central Valley? Of course you do. You are
a lying hate filled piece of dreck..of course you have a problem with
it. Failed businessman and a drunk..and you have nothing better to do
than try to hunt down someone you dont like and vent your self pity on
someone other than yourself. Go ahead if it makes you feel better.
Doesnt bother me in the slightest bit.

>
>Wouldn't it make more sense to look at what you've posted previously,
>and try to come up with a fable that is at least somewhat believable?

Which "fable" might that be?

>
>>>"inDIPendent" contractor indeed. That was yet another fantasy. The
>>>facts are that you can't break the suction of that shithole because
>>>you're lazy, and because so much of what little energy you do have is
>>>devoted to besting Walter Mitty. BTW, you should look up the
>>>definition of "negative net worth" before you ever use the word "own"
>>>again.
>>
>>So Im not an independant contractor?
>
>You are a non-responsive buffoon who can't stop telling silly lies,
>and who imagines that somebody, somewhere, is dumb enough not to
>notice.
>
>>I was indeed a licensed electrician,
>
>No, it's just another stupid lie that you'll only ever support with
>more exaggerated BS.
>
>> I do engineering
>
>No, you don't "do" "engineering." You use the term because you think
>it makes more sense to exaggerate than to admit you're a part-time
>junk dealer. And you simply refuse to accept how easy it is for
>readers to see through the hyperbole.

Odd...coming from someone like you who equates "junk dealing" with
machine tool modification, custom shop building, electrical
installations etc etc. Id say you were really fucked in the head. Im
curious...what does this..have to do with "junk dealing"?

https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/PFRoller

Just curious..want to find out where the hitch in your mental gitalong
really is. So perhaps it can be treated. Btw..this is the 4th nym
you have used. I keep killfiling you so I dont have to deal with you
and disturb the group..you intentionally change your nym and take
another shot at me. Id say you have gotten yet another obsession going
on in your mush filled skull...as I recall..one of them dealt with
immense amounts of booze and coke. So which one are you using again?
Humm?

>
>>>> And thats what I do. I never advertise myself as an
>>>>Engineer. State of California admitted that as well. And they gave me
>>>>the name of the person who put me up on the net as a licensed
>>>>Engineer. A name Ive not forgotten.
>>>
>>>Bwahaha! Why bother with these stupid elaborations when you already
>>>admitted it was "California advertising?"
>
>>Because it was not MY advertising.
>
>Sure it was. And the California advertising excuse was your first
>response to getting caught. The later stories about some nefarious
>person putting up ads for you are absurdly transparent.

>
>> I have the name of the person who did just that.
>
>Then let's see it, as well as the name of the person in CA government
>who clued you in to this mysterious plot. Will you be making up some
>names, or writing some crazy excuses about why you're keeping the
>names a secret?

It was "illegal" for her to tell me who the complaintant was. So she
wrote it on a piece of paper, left it on the table and went and got a
drink of water after looking me square in the eyes. I viewed
it...understood I knew who it was..and tucked it away for future use.
Then that person disappeared for a considerable amount of time.
And...it appears he has reappeared again and is still a major dick. So
perhaps Ill have to deal with it. Again..at my own time and choosing.

>
>> And someday...he will be given the treatment he deserves
>
>No he won't, because he doesn't exist. "Leftists" aren't "hacking"
>your computer, and nobody is putting up ads for you. There are
>probably sites copying info from one another, but the original info
>came from you. And don't bother pretending that you don't advertise
>yourself, because here's one of them.
>https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-wieber-00bb3660

Ayup..a bunch of people on this group have Linkedin accounts. And?
Oh..you mean my resume? Is that somehow begging for a job, you drunken
fuck? Really? ROFLMAO!!!

>BTW, isn't begging for a job a little beneath the Amazing Wieber? How
>is it that word of mouth hasn't caused Wieber Inc. Headquarters to be
>washed away by a flood of job offers? LOL

Ive had 11 job offers. None of which I choose to take. I dont want to
move out of state. And?

>
>>Feel the clock ticking?
>
>Your imaginary clock stopped clicking a long time ago, and your
>juvenile threats never intimidated anyone. I thought that even someone
>as stupid as you would eventually figure out that online threats are
>pointless, but you've proven me wrong.

My threats? Which were? Cites?

>
>Cue the ever-predictable Wieber hilariously writing "so you admit you
>were wrong."
>
>>>>>"My lawyer will be sending you a summins in the next few weeks or so"
>>>>>(2011)
>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.california/msg/f5b8947d02c618fa
>>>>
>>>>He talked me out of it.
>>>
>>>"He" must have talked you out of all the other legal threats as well!
>>>You're fond of the phrase "my laywer(s)." But you don't have a lawyer,
>>>and have never had a case or damages. For starters, you haven't any
>>>good reputation or income to have lost. Which is nobody's fault but
>>>your own.

(VBG)

>>
>>Cites? Trot em out. WE would be happy to look at them.
>
>We? As in you and the cockroaches in your pocket? Oh, you mean you and
>your lawyers! Hahahaha! Let's see a receipt for any payments to any
>lawyers. Now listen to the clock ticking toward: "pay me to prove I'm
>telling the truth." LOL

Cost you $100 per citation. So far you havent offered to pay for any
data. Why? Smirnov too expensive these days?

>
>>>> (I couldnt come up with enough money....shrug)
>>>
>>>What, the "slander and libel" <chuckle> of Usenet posts ruined your
>>>promising future? Apparently you've forgotten that the archives are
>>>full of you blaming that on "dems," "leftists," various presidents,
>>>your wife, some guy who blackballed you, etc.
>>
>>Which "slander and libel" are you referring to?
>
>"I hope you have money..because I just retired <VBG>!!!!"
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.california/msg/f5b8947d02c618fa

That was humor. And of course..you know it. Ill never be able to
retire. And besides..Im not a lush..so have no need to do so.

>
>So, how's that !!!!retirement!!!! coming along? Decided to go for the
>sleep-in-van-most-nights package, eh?

As long as I have work out of my home area..the van is my place to
sleep. Dont like it..Ill be more than happy to leave you a heads up
where Ill be and you can come and tell me to move it. Put your ID in
your sock. Thats not a threat. Just a statement of fact. Shrug.

>
>> Your slander? Your libel? You do know that they are different from each other, are you
>>not?
>
>Well yeah, but you didn't. Must have been embarrassing to learn that
>the hard way, in public. Oh wait, you don't get embarrassed, you just
>walk softly and carry a big list of names you're having killed! Oh no,
>excuse me, the new threat is that you're going to use your online law
>diploma to sue your tormentors ... any day now!

Law diploma? You really are babbling this evening. Must of had a rough
day listening to the lady bitch and telling you to get out of the
house and go do something. Terrible situation you live in...snicker.

>
>> You of course are guilty of both, along with fraud.
>
>Well then, sue me and have me charged! What are you waiting for? Best
>to get my money and see me in jail BEFORE I get culled, right?

You going to tell everyone who you are? If not...shrug..you are just
a faceless stumblebum harrassing me on Usenet. Like a Democrat. You
know..useless eater...

>
>>>Not to mention that your future was never promising anyway.
>>
>>Sure beats yours.
>>>
>>>>Ive taken a course on the matter of suits..online, granted...so when
>>>>Im willing to drop the hammer on someone..I can do it myself.
>>>
>>>Another talent of the Amazing Wieber! Ok, I want to be the first
>>>defendant to face Taft's very own Perry Mason wannabe.
>
>>(VBG). Care to try being my first test case? Do yah punk?
>
>I ALREADY asked to be first! Multiple times! Sheesh, get working on
>your breefs already, cownsillir. And try to keep them from getting
>tangled in a rotating shaft.

So trot out your name and address. (VBG)

>
>>>No, it isn't three million either, or any of the other numbers you
>>>made up out of thin air. And therein lies your problem: a lack of
>>>sufficient intelligence to make your lies at least slightly credible.
>>>Shit can only be stacked so high before the new turds slide off the
>>>top of the pile and onto your feet. You reached that point so long ago
>>>that now you need a snorkel to breathe.
>>
>>Cites that it wasnt 3 million miles?
>
>Deduct your posting time, sleeping time, begging for smokes time,
>Victoria's Secret model-banging time, and all the rootin-tootin
>Amazing Wieber adventure time from the number of hours in 30 years,
>and multiply what's left by the average speed of a beater driven by a
>loser who can't afford gas money. It doesn't compute, you moron. Even
>after you revised the original boast downward multiple times, NOBODY
>believes numbers you're pulling out of your ass.

45 yrs you sick twit. (VBG) And you know so little about me..you
cant even guess correctly. But of course that doesnt stop you from
showing your ass...as usual.

Gunner

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 13:32:24 -0700, nickname unavailable
<video61a...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>> Only accident I had was in 1970, when I bought my Rambler station
>> wagon,
>
>You turned 16 in November 1970. Unless you immediately obtained a
>driver license without going through driver training, you didn't buy a
>car in 1970.

Actually...I took drivers training in September of that year. (VBG)

>
>> Or are you bitching about the total number of miles? In a later
>> post..I did some careful calculations..and admitted it was way too
>> high...it should have been down around 3 million miles.
>
>If you did nothing but drive at 70 mph for 8 hours a day, five days a
>week, 50 weeks per year, it would take you 21.4 years to drive 3,000,000
>miles. You have not driven 3,000,000 miles.
>
>Just one stupid fucking lie piled atop another.

so why do you keep doing it?

Gunner

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 17:19:20 -0700, nickname unavailable

Not your first one either...snicker

(VBG)

Gunner

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 19:58:27 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
<lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:

Ayup...It was 3 million, not 10

Gunner

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

Ayup...It was 3 million, not 10

Gunner

---------------------------------------------
And I addressed that, also, Gunner. So let me change my wording a
little:
----
Probably. I think the 3MM miles in 30 years might be just a _little_
exaggerated, though.

That would mean turning in about 304.2 miles every day, 365.25 days per

[John B.]

I think we all being a little harsh on Gunner. Perhaps it is not
Gunner who is at fault.

After all, we all enjoyed the stories of Peter Pan, the Boy Who
Wouldn't Grow Up, along with Wendy Darling, The Lost Boys, and Tinker
Bell the Fairy and their adventures in Never Never Land.

It wasn't Gunner that changed; it was us.... We grew up.

Perhaps if he changed his cognomen to Peter Pan....
--

Cheers,

John B.

[sloop...@hotmail.com]

On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 20:10:40 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>

wrote:

>On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 16:23:14 -0700, sloop...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 12:41:42 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 11:28:50 -0700, sloop...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 17:24:31 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 06:56:31 -0700, jo...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 02 Apr 2016 23:50:31 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>wrote:

>>Unless your vision was you clutching your chest, you are insane. Oh
>>hell, you're insane regardless.
>
>Actually..my vision showed me being killed by 2 black guys who
>hijacked my truck.

I'm not surprised. You should probably keep the windows rolled up and
stay downwind of all pedestrians. And you should also have the Wieber
Cliff Notes printed on the side of the van so folks know it ain't
worth stealing.

>>>Cites to my not owning the 3 other lots around me?
>>
>>You wrote a long woe-is-me spiel about being ordered to remove your
>>trespassing crap from the lot next door.
>
>Ayup..and I then bought it from the owner for $5k.

Oh sure, in Wieberworld that makes as much sense as having visions.
But here in reality, your crap remains on the only lot you "own," for
some strange reason that I'm sure you'll have a story to explain...
poorly.

>>"I am in negotiations with the owner to purchase the empty lot." "....
>>I was "illegally dumping"..despite having the owners
>>permission"
>
>Hardly "illegally dumping"

And yet the cops ordered you to remove the crap, and the mighty Wieber
did exactly as commanded. Needed the exercise, I suppose. Didn't want
any to use your LEO get out of jail free card, huh?

>I had purchased the lot behind and across the street before the side
>lot.

Can you be any more ridiculous?

>>> I do engineering
>>
>>No, you don't "do" "engineering." You use the term because you think
>>it makes more sense to exaggerate than to admit you're a part-time
>>junk dealer. And you simply refuse to accept how easy it is for
>>readers to see through the hyperbole.
>
>Odd...coming from someone like you who equates "junk dealing" with
>machine tool modification, custom shop building, electrical
>installations etc etc.

Sounds very lucrative. So why have you been broke all your life?
C'mon, right us up a good one!

>>> I have the name of the person who did just that.
>>
>>Then let's see it, as well as the name of the person in CA government
>>who clued you in to this mysterious plot. Will you be making up some
>>names, or writing some crazy excuses about why you're keeping the
>>names a secret?

>It was "illegal" for her to tell me who the complaintant was.

Yup, yet another story!

> So she
>wrote it on a piece of paper, left it on the table and went and got a
>drink of water after looking me square in the eyes. I viewed
>it...understood I knew who it was..and tucked it away for future use.

Time to sue and cull!

>Then that person disappeared for a considerable amount of time.

LOL

>And...it appears he has reappeared again and is still a major dick.

Time to sue and cull... again!

> So
>perhaps Ill have to deal with it. Again..at my own time and choosing.

No, you'll just tell more absurd stories about why you're not going
after this dastardly phantom.

>Ive had 11 job offers. None of which I choose to take.

Feel free to post them. You can't, because they don't exist. But
there's going to be another story about why you can't reveal the
offers...

>>"I hope you have money..because I just retired <VBG>!!!!"
>>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.california/msg/f5b8947d02c618fa
>
>That was humor.

Well, I'm still laughing.

> And of course..you know it. Ill never be able to
>retire.

No kidding?

> And besides..Im not a lush..so have no need to do so.

Most people look forward to retirement. Only someone with a genius IQ
<chuckle> would write that retirement is something required by
drinkers.

>>So, how's that !!!!retirement!!!! coming along? Decided to go for the
>>sleep-in-van-most-nights package, eh?
>
>As long as I have work out of my home area..the van is my place to
>sleep.

Res ipsa loquitur, there, clownsillir.

>>> You of course are guilty of both, along with fraud.
>>
>>Well then, sue me and have me charged! What are you waiting for? Best
>>to get my money and see me in jail BEFORE I get culled, right?
>
>You going to tell everyone who you are?

You're the only person who needs to know. You've said a couple times
you were suing me, and dozens of times you were having me killed. So
you must already know who I am, right? Or are you now admitting that
you never knew, and were only making empty threats?

>>>(VBG). Care to try being my first test case? Do yah punk?
>>
>>I ALREADY asked to be first! Multiple times! Sheesh, get working on
>>your breefs already, cownsillir. And try to keep them from getting
>>tangled in a rotating shaft.
>
>So trot out your name and address. (VBG)

Ok, it's clear. You don't know who I am, which would seem to be a
requirement for lawsuits and killing, and all your threats have been
impotent. But what happened to your "computer wienies?"

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/51ccf1d67151a862
"I just forwarded a link to your misbehavior to everyone on my Friends
List. And of course..all your header information. Several of the
members of that august list..are computer wienies at the top of very
large high tech companies.. People who are very very good about
finding out Stuff about fools on the internet. One, is an ex
marine..combat marine...<VBG>(though many are ex military or ex law
enforcement or both) and doesnt deal well with fools...and he is
extraordinary with High Tech stuff."

Are they too busy to help you? Let's hear the story about why the
previous story is true and only appears to be a laughably transparent
lie.

>>>Cites that it wasnt 3 million miles?
>>
>>Deduct your posting time, sleeping time, begging for smokes time,
>>Victoria's Secret model-banging time, and all the rootin-tootin
>>Amazing Wieber adventure time from the number of hours in 30 years,
>>and multiply what's left by the average speed of a beater driven by a
>>loser who can't afford gas money. It doesn't compute, you moron. Even
>>after you revised the original boast downward multiple times, NOBODY
>>believes numbers you're pulling out of your ass.
>
>45 yrs you sick twit. (VBG)

No, your original number was >900 miles per day, and you revised it
downward a couple times to about 300 per day, and it's still goofy
nonsense that nobody believes.

But by all means keep trying! Every once in a while somebody is
surprised to be the millionth shopper or whatever, and wins big time.
So who knows, maybe your millionth lie will be the one that causes
everyone to reverse their opinion of you.

[Gunner Asch]

I didnt start putting on tons of miles until 1974..prior to that I was
out of the US. Got home, went to work in various industries where I
had to drive as part of my employment. Reserve Deputy in a large rural
county, ran an alarm company in 3 large rural counties, ran the time
clock company in 4 large rural counties, and then as an machine tool
tech...in 3 states. It was not unusual for me to log up to 600 miles
in a single day, though most averaged 275-370 per day. Which is the
reason I have vehicles with 440,000 miles on them. That all changed
of course in 2009, as a result of the economic collapse.

My first year as an Omniturn tech...I logged well over 100,000 miles.
Seriously, no bullshit. I was servicing machines in California,
Arizona, Texas, Washington state, Oregon and had 2 clients in Nevada.
Plus of course I live 150 miles north of Orange County, California,
the center of my current service area. Hell..I killed the drivers
seats in a dozen vehicles in the 40 yrs Ive been doing this. Since
the beginning of the Great Depression 2, Ive had more free time than I
ever had in my life. The first year...drove me absolutely nuts. Didnt
know what to do with the free time..but didnt have any cash to "do
something"

This of course does not include the times Ive flown to clients and
factory schools across the US and other countries. I honestly,
truely, no bullshit, sat down a few years ago and did the best guess
calculations based on logs, and came up with "around" 3 million miles.
Might really have been 2.75, might have been 3.25...shrug. I drove on
vacations too. Motorcycle and cars/trucks. Momma wanted to see the
Grand Canyon. We left after I got off work on a Friday, was standing
on the Rim by Saturday afternoon, was back at work Monday morning. Can
you say "white line fever"? When I think of all the gasoline Ive
burned over the years...brrrrr. Ive been doing this for 40 yrs...and
frankly..Im more than tired of it. Which is one of the reasons I
posted my resume in various places. Id love..love..love to have a job
where I go to one place at the start of my "day", work my shift(s) and
drive home.

You do realize that often when I post here...its not from my desk at
home, but quite often from my laptop via a wifi link out in the Real
World...right? Im home now..been home since early Sunday morning but
will be back on the road at midnight tonight. I really should have
left for So Cal at midnight last night, but said fuckit I got the bug
to clean up my shop, so thats what Ive been doing for 2 days.

Last week, from Tuesday -Sunday..I logged almost 975 miles, which
included a trip down to Diego, up to Tehacapi, back down to Orange
County, over to Ventura, back to OC and then home. A round trip to OC
and straight back to my home...is 324 miles..but its freaking rare
that I can do an up and back. I have to stop and see clients.
And that was an average week with the economy being what it
is..average since 2009 that is.

I dont mind chatting with you in an honest fashion. The other blivits
...I certainly enjoy fucking with them and feeding them shit just to
watch their heads cave in. (Grin)..but the regulars here..I never
bullshit. Larry and Pyotr have been to my home..I consider them good
friends, and I believe that they will tell you what Im telling you is
the truth. Hell...a few months ago, Larry came south from Frisco, and
I met him almost 200 miles north of Taft, just to give him a bunch of
stuff. The wife and I considered it to be a simple Sunday drive for a
friend. That was nearly a 400 mile day..and it was on a day off.

I dont so much sleep in my truck...as collapse in my truck. Shrug
Im getting way...way too old for this shit, and the rewards are simply
not there any longer. Both financially nor mentally. Chuckle..sigh. I
should have bailed out long time ago. Now Im too fucking old for a
company to want to hire me. Shrug...fact of life Ive learned to
accept..but it was something of a shock to discover. I do the part
time millwright thing because my buddy is 67...and his knees are shot.
So I do the monkey work for him and Im smart enough not to make the
same mistake more than once....and have enough experience to know
Something about what is supposed to be done. Unlike a kid. Am I a
millwright? Fuck no!, but I can wing it. Like I can do a LOT of other
things. My brain never shuts down, though Ill be the first to
admit...since the stroke...it does tend to NOT run like a well
lubricated turbine..not like it used to. More like a 41 L head run on
woodgas. The memory is shot full of holes, so I keep copious notes.
Though the holes are getting smaller and farther apart. I was VERY
lucky...the stroke didnt fuck me up like so many other people Ive met
over the years. But it did..fuck me up. And frankly...Im getting
tired. I did indeed have a goodly amount of money in the bank once
upon a time. Bought Conoco stock low, sold it high...had a good start
on a retirement. Then the kid discovered meth. The rest is history.

Now, I dont have a pot to piss in. Though to be fair..the wife is
responsible for a lot of that. As you are probably aware..over the
years we have split up, gotten back together, split up etc etc...each
time she would live on what I had in the bank..gloriously. And Id
simply get in the truck and head for the next client, and the next,
and the next. Then her heart went (genetic, family issue, killed her
dad and both her brothers) and it finally dawned on her that Ive been
carrying her for all those years...and if I stop..she is toast. Grew
up finally. Thank the god(s). But she screwed me over many many times.
My property taxes arent much. Give her the money, expect her to pay
the taxes, go back on the road. She would piss it away. Never on
herself..but she had lots of "needy friends". Ive paid more rent, more
power bills, bought more groceries for people I only know third
hand...than I want to think about. I locked her out of my bank account
some years ago, about the time the economy went into the toilet..just
in self defense. But the damage was done and playing catchup is a
bitch.
Hell..Ive mentioned that for the past yrs...I was taking care of my
son and his family..and had 4 unpaying roommates. And the rescue dogs.
The last person out (and I threw her out) left me with 11 dogs. Want
one? Take 3(or more)..please!. Paying $60 a week just for dog food is
a pain in the wallet. If I didnt have to pay for her dogs, I could pay
the property taxes, rather than simply fight to keep my head above
water. I buy so little for myself in the course of a year...shrug. I
got into the restoring sailboats thing out of boredom and having a
reason to not sit in the house and pondering my fate, or dealing with
dickheads on Usenet. And dealing with the wife. Shrug again.

Dont get this wrong..Im not crying about my life. Just explaining why
it is as it is. I put myself where I am. I could have, should have,
divorced 30 yrs ago..but I didnt. I could have, should have abandoned
my son to his own mistakes...but I didnt. I could have, should never
have taken in or helped the "helpless"..but I did. For decades. My
fault, no one elses. My mistakes, no one elses. My fuckups to deal
with. For better or worse. The best I have to look forwards to is
dying on a jobsite somewhere and letting the next of kin shovel
through everything. That being said..Im who I am, good bad or
indifferent and its a bit late to change much. I wont be making the
same mistakes the next turn on the cosmic wheel though...hope to tell
ya! Chuckle. So unless I win the lottery...(never play it)..Ill be
here on Usenet, or on one of the boats, or out in the field fixing
machines until I simply fall over dead. Not as good as some folks
futures, a hell of a lot better than others. So. California is the
home of the homeless...see em by the thousands sleeping in parks, on
sidewalks, in the bushes..and pat myself on the back and tell
myself..Doing Good old son!! and head for the next job.

Have a very nice day!

Gunner

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 07:42:25 -0700, sloop...@hotmail.com wrote:

>On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 20:10:40 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 16:23:14 -0700, sloop...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 12:41:42 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 11:28:50 -0700, sloop...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 17:24:31 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 06:56:31 -0700, jo...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sat, 02 Apr 2016 23:50:31 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>
>>>Unless your vision was you clutching your chest, you are insane. Oh
>>>hell, you're insane regardless.
>>
>>Actually..my vision showed me being killed by 2 black guys who
>>hijacked my truck.
>
>I'm not surprised. You should probably keep the windows rolled up and
>stay downwind of all pedestrians. And you should also have the Wieber
>Cliff Notes printed on the side of the van so folks know it ain't
>worth stealing.

Ive had other similar visons over the years..and made provisions to
avoid doing what I was doing in the vision..and got around em. Plus I
carry a gun wherever I go. I may go down..but Im taking an escort to
Hell with me. And they will find my corpse in a pile of brass. Count
on it. I hope my visions (rare though they may be) continue so I can
read your obituary. Like I read Cliffs.... It was so, so..
touching...sniff.....
And it really made me...satisfied.

>
>>>>Cites to my not owning the 3 other lots around me?
>>>
>>>You wrote a long woe-is-me spiel about being ordered to remove your
>>>trespassing crap from the lot next door.
>>
>>Ayup..and I then bought it from the owner for $5k.
>
>Oh sure, in Wieberworld that makes as much sense as having visions.
>But here in reality, your crap remains on the only lot you "own," for
>some strange reason that I'm sure you'll have a story to explain...
>poorly.

And again you lie. Poorly. Sigh..but we have come to expect that from
a twat like you.

>
>>>"I am in negotiations with the owner to purchase the empty lot." "....
>>>I was "illegally dumping"..despite having the owners
>>>permission"
>>
>>Hardly "illegally dumping"
>
>And yet the cops ordered you to remove the crap, and the mighty Wieber
>did exactly as commanded. Needed the exercise, I suppose. Didn't want
>any to use your LEO get out of jail free card, huh?

Cops? What cops? Cops were never involved other than as an escort the
first time she came by. The deputy told me in an aside that she was
afraid of me..because I had an NRA sticker on my bumper. So Cal
lesbian who was hired by the county. We laughed about it the next
time I ran into him at the range. I know most of the cops around here
at least by name and rep. And visa versa. Which is why I keep getting
a CCW every couple years with no issues. Its California..remember?

>
>>I had purchased the lot behind and across the street before the side
>>lot.
>
>Can you be any more ridiculous?

?? Id had plans on becoming a "real estate tycoon". Putting a
manufactured home on the lots and renting them out. Then the oil
crunches hit and I realized Id spent money (very little) on a pipe
dream. Wanna buy a lot? Naah...the only way Id sell to you, would be
for enough money to move out of here and let you have the place to
yourself. Wanna buy 4 lots? Ill sell you my place too!!
Cash of course. US greenbacks, Dinero, mas mucho!
I know where there is a nice fenced acre with a 10 yr old double
wide..with a freaking HUGE shop, about 5 miles from the lake, for
$65k. Id sell you all 3 lots and my place, for $100k. NO Appraisal
necessary! Bring me the money! Bring me the Money!!
Chortle.....

>
>>>> I do engineering
>>>
>>>No, you don't "do" "engineering." You use the term because you think
>>>it makes more sense to exaggerate than to admit you're a part-time
>>>junk dealer. And you simply refuse to accept how easy it is for
>>>readers to see through the hyperbole.

Actually..I do indeed do..engineering.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/engineering

Gonna argue with Merriam-Webster are you? Snicker....

>>
>>Odd...coming from someone like you who equates "junk dealing" with
>>machine tool modification, custom shop building, electrical
>>installations etc etc.
>
>Sounds very lucrative. So why have you been broke all your life?
>C'mon, right us up a good one!

Ive hardly been "broke all my life". Got cites for that bit of
buffoonery you keep trotting out and drooling on your sneaker toe?
Trot em out.

>
>>>> I have the name of the person who did just that.
>>>
>>>Then let's see it, as well as the name of the person in CA government
>>>who clued you in to this mysterious plot. Will you be making up some
>>>names, or writing some crazy excuses about why you're keeping the
>>>names a secret?
>
>>It was "illegal" for her to tell me who the complaintant was.
>
>Yup, yet another story!

But a true one. Shrug.

>
>> So she
>>wrote it on a piece of paper, left it on the table and went and got a
>>drink of water after looking me square in the eyes. I viewed
>>it...understood I knew who it was..and tucked it away for future use.
>
>Time to sue and cull!

Not yet. But maybe soon.

>
>>Then that person disappeared for a considerable amount of time.
>
>LOL
>
>>And...it appears he has reappeared again and is still a major dick.
>
>Time to sue and cull... again!

See above.

>
>> So
>>perhaps Ill have to deal with it. Again..at my own time and choosing.
>
>No, you'll just tell more absurd stories about why you're not going
>after this dastardly phantom.
>
>>Ive had 11 job offers. None of which I choose to take.
>
>Feel free to post them. You can't, because they don't exist. But
>there's going to be another story about why you can't reveal the
>offers...

$100 per citation. So far..you havent decided to spend a cent. Im
curious as to why..if you "know" you are "right"? Simply spending $100
to prove Im an utter fucktard would be cheap, wouldnt it?

>
>>>"I hope you have money..because I just retired <VBG>!!!!"
>>>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.california/msg/f5b8947d02c618fa
>>
>>That was humor.
>
>Well, I'm still laughing.
>
>> And of course..you know it. Ill never be able to
>>retire.
>
>No kidding?

Nope, no kidding. Course, I could simply go on welfare and live off
the taxpayers. Think I should?

>
>> And besides..Im not a lush..so have no need to do so.
>
>Most people look forward to retirement. Only someone with a genius IQ
><chuckle> would write that retirement is something required by
>drinkers.

Did I?

>
>>>So, how's that !!!!retirement!!!! coming along? Decided to go for the
>>>sleep-in-van-most-nights package, eh?
>>
>>As long as I have work out of my home area..the van is my place to
>>sleep.
>
>Res ipsa loquitur, there, clownsillir.

?? Im not interested enough to look it up.

>
>>>> You of course are guilty of both, along with fraud.
>>>
>>>Well then, sue me and have me charged! What are you waiting for? Best
>>>to get my money and see me in jail BEFORE I get culled, right?
>>
>>You going to tell everyone who you are?
>
>You're the only person who needs to know. You've said a couple times
>you were suing me, and dozens of times you were having me killed. So
>you must already know who I am, right? Or are you now admitting that
>you never knew, and were only making empty threats?

Really? Cites? The only two people I said that to in all seriousness,
are dead.
So trot em out and lets see if you are again being stupid, or simply
paranoid.

>
>>>>(VBG). Care to try being my first test case? Do yah punk?
>>>
>>>I ALREADY asked to be first! Multiple times! Sheesh, get working on
>>>your breefs already, cownsillir. And try to keep them from getting
>>>tangled in a rotating shaft.
>>
>>So trot out your name and address. (VBG)
>
>Ok, it's clear. You don't know who I am, which would seem to be a
>requirement for lawsuits and killing, and all your threats have been
>impotent. But what happened to your "computer wienies?"

If you meant more to me than casual banter on the net..Id put the
effort into finding out who you were. But I certainly love watching
you blither and spew and I have a very good time (cruel of me, yeah..I
know) watching you twitch and show your ass.

>
>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/51ccf1d67151a862
>"I just forwarded a link to your misbehavior to everyone on my Friends
>List. And of course..all your header information. Several of the
>members of that august list..are computer wienies at the top of very
>large high tech companies.. People who are very very good about
>finding out Stuff about fools on the internet. One, is an ex
>marine..combat marine...<VBG>(though many are ex military or ex law
>enforcement or both) and doesnt deal well with fools...and he is
>extraordinary with High Tech stuff."

So who are you? You were hiding then too, werent you? (Grin) I didnt
bother reading the link. Whats the date on that thread? This of
course means you have been harassing me since at least that time,
right?
(VBG)

>
>Are they too busy to help you? Let's hear the story about why the
>previous story is true and only appears to be a laughably transparent
>lie.

Yawn...you really are a putz.

>
>>>>Cites that it wasnt 3 million miles?
>>>
>>>Deduct your posting time, sleeping time, begging for smokes time,
>>>Victoria's Secret model-banging time, and all the rootin-tootin
>>>Amazing Wieber adventure time from the number of hours in 30 years,
>>>and multiply what's left by the average speed of a beater driven by a
>>>loser who can't afford gas money. It doesn't compute, you moron. Even
>>>after you revised the original boast downward multiple times, NOBODY
>>>believes numbers you're pulling out of your ass.
>>
>>45 yrs you sick twit. (VBG)
>
>No, your original number was >900 miles per day, and you revised it
>downward a couple times to about 300 per day, and it's still goofy
>nonsense that nobody believes.

Yawn...and whatcha gonna do about it?

>
>But by all means keep trying! Every once in a while somebody is
>surprised to be the millionth shopper or whatever, and wins big time.
>So who knows, maybe your millionth lie will be the one that causes
>everyone to reverse their opinion of you.

Everyone has an opinion about me? Really? Is it a good or a bad one?
And is "having an opinion about you" really important to me? Should
it? Am I missing something here?
"Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one and most usually stink"

Im not here for people to like me. Hummm...must really suck to live
inside of your head. Lots of wierd shit living in there, if "opinions"
about people liking oneself means so much to you.

Have you seen a mental health professional for this (among many
others) problem you evidently have? You really should you know. You
will be a much happier person. Maybe. Assuming a creeping wad of worm
filled rancid duck vomit could ever be a happier person.
(Grin)


Gunner

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 07:42:25 -0700, sloop...@hotmail.com wrote:

>>>

>>>No, you don't "do" "engineering." You use the term because you think
>>>it makes more sense to exaggerate than to admit you're a part-time
>>>junk dealer. And you simply refuse to accept how easy it is for
>>>readers to see through the hyperbole.

Oh...sorry...I didnt include the full definition.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/engineering

engineering
play
noun en搽i搖eer搏ng \-?nir-i?\
Popularity: Top 40% of words
Simple Definition of engineering

: the work of designing and creating large structures (such as
roads and bridges) or new products or systems by using scientific
methods

: the control or direction of something (such as behavior)

Examples: engineering in a sentence
Full Definition of engineering

1 : the activities or function of an engineer

2 a : the application of science and mathematics by which the
properties of matter and the sources of energy in nature are made
useful to people b : the design and manufacture of complex products
<software engineering>

3 : calculated manipulation or direction (as of behavior) <social
engineering>

Now was there anything else you wished to show your ass about?

Gunner

[nickname unavailable]

So your challenge for a "cite" was bullshit.

>> Unless your vision was you clutching your chest, you are insane. Oh
>> hell, you're insane regardless.
>
> Actually..my vision showed me being killed by 2 black guys who
> hijacked my truck.
>>
>> Unless and until you can find and keep a job, you're an impotent bag
>> of wind.
>
> The opinion of a spitoon is noted with great amusment.
>>
>>> Cites to my not owning the 3 other lots around me?

Given below.

>> You wrote a long woe-is-me spiel about being ordered to remove your
>> trespassing crap from the lot next door.
>
> Ayup..and I then bought it from the owner for $5k.

Bullshit. gummer doesn't own *any* property on Olive Ave in Taft, CA,
including his own fucking weed-and-debris-choked dump.

Proof:

1. go to the Kern County Assessor/Record property search page:
http://assessor.co.kern.ca.us/propertysearch/index.php

2. in Property Search From set the search type to Address,
and key in '326 Olive Ave' in the address box; click Search button

3. in the results page, gummer's dump is the first one listed, with
an ATN/APN number of 039-303-04-00-2. That's a link; click on it

4. In the property profile window, click on the View Parcel Map link;
it will prompt you to save or open the .TIF file; open it. gummer's
dump is in the block with '303' in an oval right below the block.
His dump is the second from the bottom in that block, on the left,
with two numbers in circles over it: 04 and 20. Look closely to
the upper right of the 20 in the circle; you'll see the letters
'MH'. That means "manufactured home." gummer's dump is the only
one in that block that has it (there's one other one over to the
west in block 301.)

Here's the property search result for parcel 20 (in the circle):
http://tinyurl.com/zbm3nxg If you look at that, you'll see the
same site address, 326 Olive Av Taft, and then in the Use Code box,
you'll see '9501 - UNSECURED MH IN ANY OTHER ZONE'. In the
assessor/recorder use codes page,
http://recorder.co.kern.ca.us/assessor/FYI.php?page=usecodes
look for 9501 and you'll find:
'9501 - Unsecured manufactured home in any other zone' Indeed,
gummer lives in a shabby double-wide!

5. Back in the main property information page for 039-303-04-00-2, note
the recorded documents. These are listed in descending date
recorded. They are all deeds. The most recent one is 211112561.
Select and copy that into your clipboard.

6. Now go to the Assessor/Recorder Online page for the recorder's
office at http://recorderonline.co.kern.ca.us/ On the menu at left,
click on the Official Documents link, then in the next window under
Select Search Type click on Document Number.

7. Paste the document number you copied above into the From box and
click the Search button. You'll get a summary page of information
about the deed. At the left the document number is listed as a
link; click on it.

8. More information is displayed. You'll see that the grantors are
several trusts along with an investment company, and the grantee
is another real estate investment company.

*gummer does not own the property*

9. Repeat as you wish for each of the other listed documents that you
saw back on the property information page. gummer's name is not
on any of the deeds.

10. Go back to the property search form (step 2, above), and set the
Search Type to APN. In the search value box, key in the parcel
numbers for the properties to the south and north of gummer's dump.
The ending numbers are indicated by the values in circles on the
parcels. The parcel to the south of gummer is 03, and the one to
the north is 05. The parcels have to be entered without hyphens,
so the one to the south is 03930303, and the one to the north is
03930305.

11. Searching for 03930303, we see that the street address is actually
on Wood St, the street that intersects Olive Av south of gummer's
dump. Taking the most recent document number, 201158812 - a deed -
and searching the documents database as in step 7, we find that
the grantor was South Taft Property, Inc, and the grantee is
Carlos Mena. *gummer does not own this property*

12. Searching for 03930305, we see that the street address is 322
Olive Ave, next door to gummer (326). The most recently recorded
document is 208048103 - a deed. Looking at this deed as in
step 7, we find that the grantor was Rosemarie Torres, and the
grantees are Don and Deanna Gooch. *gummer does not own it*

13. Just to be sure, we'll look at the parcels behind these three as
indicated on the parcel map: 03930317, 03930318 and 03930319.

03930317 - gummer is not on any of the deeds associated with parcel
03930318 - gummer is not on any of the deeds associated with parcel
03930319 - gummer is not on any of the deeds assocaited with parcel

*gummer doesn't own any property in the block*

Here's another interesting thing to note, regarding the acreage of the
parcels:

03930303: .14
03930304: .16 (gummer's dump)
03930305: .13
03930317: .14
03930318: .16
03930319: .22

All six parcels together add up to .95 of an acre. So much for gummer's
"ranch".

>> "I am in negotiations with the owner to purchase the empty lot." "....
>> I was "illegally dumping"..despite having the owners
>> permission"
>
> Hardly "illegally dumping" Please define "illegal dumping" via
> California state legal code. Ill be waiting.

*YOU* are the stupid cheese log who first used it, you stupid fat fuck.

>> So readers are supposed to believe that you had permission from the
>> owner who is yourself, to dump on the lot you previously claimed to
>> own! Those damned cops, how could they NOT believe such a sensible
>> story!
>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/886e55dd68ec765b
>> Let me guess... that lot isn't one of the three, but on the FOURTH
>> surrounding side! And you condensed all your crap onto your postage
>> stamp instead of using any of the rest of your empire!
>
> I had purchased the lot behind and across the street before the side
> lot.

Let's examine these lies:

1. Across the street is parcel 039-302-19.

2. Following the methodology above, we find the most recent deed
document is 205158879

3. Document search shows the grantee to be Isidro Garcia Camargo

*gummer does not own this parcel*

4. Just to be safe, we repeat for parcels to the south and to the
north of "across the street" from gummer. South is 039-302-20,
and north is 039-302-18. The most recent deed for 039-302-18 is
206313436, while that for 039-302-20 is 205348126.

5. These reveal the grantees for these parcels to be "Shea Estates
Development Inc." and John Ashcraft, respectively.

*gummer does not own these parcels*


> I talked to Don G..

That would be Don Gooch, the present owner, who undoubtedly hates your
guts...

> the owner about the cargo container..he said
> he didnt have any problem with it as long as I kept the lot up. The
> "lady" from the County had a problem with it. So I moved it onto my
> property. Again she had a problem with that. So I talked to her
> boss. He had her drop the issue as he didnt have a problem with that
> either. As I mentioned to him..there are at least 3 or 4 others in the
> neighborhood, and I took him around to look at them. He shrugged,
> said..OK, no problem..it is south Taft afterall

Yes, it *IS* South Taft, after all...heh heh heh...

> ..and the issue was
> dropped. Now you have a problem with it? You living in Long Beach
> or whereever the fuck you call home..perhaps the Home...and I, about
> 150+ miles north up in the Central Valley? Of course you do. You are
> a lying hate filled piece of dreck..of course you have a problem with
> it. Failed businessman and a drunk..and you have nothing better to do
> than try to hunt down someone you dont like and vent your self pity on
> someone other than yourself. Go ahead if it makes you feel better.
> Doesnt bother me in the slightest bit.
>>
>> Wouldn't it make more sense to look at what you've posted previously,
>> and try to come up with a fable that is at least somewhat believable?
>
> Which "fable" might that be?

Any of them. That's the whole problem, shitwad - they're all "fables",
to be charitable about it.

>>>> "inDIPendent" contractor indeed. That was yet another fantasy. The
>>>> facts are that you can't break the suction of that shithole because
>>>> you're lazy, and because so much of what little energy you do have is
>>>> devoted to besting Walter Mitty. BTW, you should look up the
>>>> definition of "negative net worth" before you ever use the word "own"
>>>> again.
>>>
>>> So Im not an independant contractor?
>>
>> You are a non-responsive buffoon who can't stop telling silly lies,
>> and who imagines that somebody, somewhere, is dumb enough not to
>> notice.
>>
>>> I was indeed a licensed electrician,
>>
>> No, it's just another stupid lie that you'll only ever support with
>> more exaggerated BS.
>>
>>> I do engineering
>>
>> No, you don't "do" "engineering." You use the term because you think
>> it makes more sense to exaggerate than to admit you're a part-time
>> junk dealer. And you simply refuse to accept how easy it is for
>> readers to see through the hyperbole.
>
> Odd...coming from someone like you who equates "junk dealing" with
> machine tool modification, custom shop building, electrical
> installations etc etc.

Given all the other stupid lies, "machine tool modification" and the
rest more likely than not are actually scavenging, salvage and junk dealing.

>
>>
>>>>> And thats what I do. I never advertise myself as an
>>>>> Engineer. State of California admitted that as well. And they gave me
>>>>> the name of the person who put me up on the net as a licensed
>>>>> Engineer. A name Ive not forgotten.
>>>>
>>>> Bwahaha! Why bother with these stupid elaborations when you already
>>>> admitted it was "California advertising?"
>>
>>> Because it was not MY advertising.
>>
>> Sure it was. And the California advertising excuse was your first
>> response to getting caught. The later stories about some nefarious
>> person putting up ads for you are absurdly transparent.
>
>>
>>> I have the name of the person who did just that.
>>
>> Then let's see it, as well as the name of the person in CA government
>> who clued you in to this mysterious plot. Will you be making up some
>> names, or writing some crazy excuses about why you're keeping the
>> names a secret?
> It was "illegal" for her to tell me who the complaintant was. So she
> wrote it on a piece of paper, left it on the table and

Ha ha ha ha ha! Now you're saying the "complaintant" [sic] was the same
person who allegedly fabricated the <chortle> "California advertisement"
in the first place?

Add that to the huge reeking pile of lies.

>>> And someday...he will be given the treatment he deserves
>>
>> No he won't, because he doesn't exist. "Leftists" aren't "hacking"
>> your computer, and nobody is putting up ads for you. There are
>> probably sites copying info from one another, but the original info
>> came from you. And don't bother pretending that you don't advertise
>> yourself, because here's one of them.
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-wieber-00bb3660
>
> Ayup..a bunch of people on this group have Linkedin accounts. And?
> Oh..you mean my resume?

That puke is to a resume as a scrap of ass-wipe is to the Magna Carta.

>> BTW, isn't begging for a job a little beneath the Amazing Wieber? How
>> is it that word of mouth hasn't caused Wieber Inc. Headquarters to be
>> washed away by a flood of job offers? LOL
>
> Ive had 11 job offers.

Cite.

>>> Feel the clock ticking?
>>
>> Your imaginary clock stopped clicking a long time ago, and your
>> juvenile threats never intimidated anyone. I thought that even someone
>> as stupid as you would eventually figure out that online threats are
>> pointless, but you've proven me wrong.
>
> My threats? Which were? Cites?

All of the ones to have someone killed by the imaginary people who keep
the imaginary list.

>> Cue the ever-predictable Wieber hilariously writing "so you admit you
>> were wrong."
>>
>>>>>> "My lawyer will be sending you a summins in the next few weeks or so"
>>>>>> (2011)
>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.california/msg/f5b8947d02c618fa
>>>>>
>>>>> He talked me out of it.
>>>>
>>>> "He" must have talked you out of all the other legal threats as well!
>>>> You're fond of the phrase "my laywer(s)." But you don't have a lawyer,
>>>> and have never had a case or damages. For starters, you haven't any
>>>> good reputation or income to have lost. Which is nobody's fault but
>>>> your own.
>
> (VBG)

LOL!

>>>
>>> Cites? Trot em out. WE would be happy to look at them.
>>
>> We? As in you and the cockroaches in your pocket? Oh, you mean you and
>> your lawyers! Hahahaha! Let's see a receipt for any payments to any
>> lawyers. Now listen to the clock ticking toward: "pay me to prove I'm
>> telling the truth." LOL
>
> Cost you $100 per citation.

You don't have any. It will cost you $1,000 to see my proof that you
don't have any.

>>>>> (I couldnt come up with enough money....shrug)
>>>>
>>>> What, the "slander and libel" <chuckle> of Usenet posts ruined your
>>>> promising future? Apparently you've forgotten that the archives are
>>>> full of you blaming that on "dems," "leftists," various presidents,
>>>> your wife, some guy who blackballed you, etc.
>>>
>>> Which "slander and libel" are you referring to?
>>
>> "I hope you have money..because I just retired <VBG>!!!!"
>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.california/msg/f5b8947d02c618fa
>
> That was humor.

aka, a lie. By the way, fuckwit, that threat to sue and "retire" was
directed at *ME*! I feel so honored.

>> So, how's that !!!!retirement!!!! coming along? Decided to go for the
>> sleep-in-van-most-nights package, eh?
>
> As long as I have work out of my home area..

...there just doesn't seem to be any scavenging, salvage and junk
dealing going on in and around Taft, does there? <chortle>

>>> Your slander? Your libel? You do know that they are different from each other, are you
>>> not?
>>
>> Well yeah, but you didn't. Must have been embarrassing to learn that
>> the hard way, in public. Oh wait, you don't get embarrassed, you just
>> walk softly and carry a big list of names you're having killed! Oh no,
>> excuse me, the new threat is that you're going to use your online law
>> diploma to sue your tormentors ... any day now!
>
> Law diploma?

<chortle>

> You really are babbling this evening. Must of had a rough
> day listening to the lady bitch and telling you to get out of the
> house and go do something. Terrible situation you live in...snicker.
>>
>>> You of course are guilty of both, along with fraud.
>>
>> Well then, sue me and have me charged! What are you waiting for? Best
>> to get my money and see me in jail BEFORE I get culled, right?
>
> You going to tell everyone who you are?

Wh-wh-what? You mean your legion of brilliant computer weenies can't
find that out for you? Surely you could forward the headers of his post
to the "list keepers" and have *them* tell you?

>>
>>>> Not to mention that your future was never promising anyway.
>>>
>>> Sure beats yours.
>>>>
>>>>> Ive taken a course on the matter of suits..online, granted...so when
>>>>> Im willing to drop the hammer on someone..I can do it myself.
>>>>
>>>> Another talent of the Amazing Wieber! Ok, I want to be the first
>>>> defendant to face Taft's very own Perry Mason wannabe.
>>
>>> (VBG). Care to try being my first test case? Do yah punk?
>>
>> I ALREADY asked to be first! Multiple times! Sheesh, get working on
>> your breefs already, cownsillir. And try to keep them from getting
>> tangled in a rotating shaft.
>
> So trot out your name and address.

Have your computer weenie friends find it for you <VBG>

>>
>>>> No, it isn't three million either, or any of the other numbers you
>>>> made up out of thin air. And therein lies your problem: a lack of
>>>> sufficient intelligence to make your lies at least slightly credible.
>>>> Shit can only be stacked so high before the new turds slide off the
>>>> top of the pile and onto your feet. You reached that point so long ago
>>>> that now you need a snorkel to breathe.
>>>
>>> Cites that it wasnt 3 million miles?
>>
>> Deduct your posting time, sleeping time, begging for smokes time,
>> Victoria's Secret model-banging time, and all the rootin-tootin
>> Amazing Wieber adventure time from the number of hours in 30 years,
>> and multiply what's left by the average speed of a beater driven by a
>> loser who can't afford gas money. It doesn't compute, you moron. Even
>> after you revised the original boast downward multiple times, NOBODY
>> believes numbers you're pulling out of your ass.
>
> 45 yrs you sick twit.

You haven't driven 3,000,000 miles - period. It is all but
mathematically impossible.


Once again, gummer has his flabby doughy ass handed to him.

[nickname unavailable]

I don't; you do.

We have shown that it is mathematically impossible for you to have
driven 3,000,000 miles, *and* done all the other crazy bullshit you
claim to have done. There's your "cite": indisputable arithmetic.

[nickname unavailable]

Actually it is, in this thread, and it's inconsequential as well.

Yeah, chronic lying - and *stupid* lying - is the defining
characteristic of your lifestyle.

[nickname unavailable]

On 4/4/2016 8:15 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 19:58:27 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
> <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> Ed Huntress <hunt...@optonline.net> fired this volley in
>> news:fr16gbhrs7nsh0caj...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> FWIW, my best guess is that he does have a DD-214, and that the name
>>> on it is Mark R. Wieber.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ed Huntress
>>
>> Probably. I think the 10MM miles in 30 years might be just a _little_
>> exaggerated, though.

aka, just another stupid gummer lie, pulled straight out of his gaping
ass and smeared into usenet.

>> That would mean turning in about 912.62 miles every day, 365.25 days per
>> year, for 30 years continuously -- every freakin' day.
>>
>> That would be no break for military service. No break for Jr. College.
>> No break for time working at clients... just driving and gassing-up and
>> having an 'exchange vehicle' waiting exactly at the breakdown point
>> whenever one gave up the ghost.
>>
>> Tough on tires, and nerves, that.
>>
>> LLoyd
>
> Ayup...It was 3 million, not 10

It wasn't that, either as we have shown. 3,000,000 miles at an average
of 70 mph would take over 21 years if you drove eight hours a day, five
days a week, 50 weeks a year. You didn't average 70 mph, so that amount
of distance would have consumed even more time - if we generously say
you averaged 50 mph, then it would have taken you 30 years.

3,000,000 miles of driving - just another stupid lie piled atop the
towering stinking pile of them.

[nickname unavailable]

On 4/5/2016 9:34 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 06:07:29 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
> <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> Ayup...It was 3 million, not 10
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------
>> And I addressed that, also, Gunner. So let me change my wording a
>> little:
>> ----
>> Probably. I think the 3MM miles in 30 years might be just a _little_
>> exaggerated, though.
>>
>> That would mean turning in about 304.2 miles every day, 365.25 days per
>> year, for 30 years continuously -- every freakin' day.
>>
>> That would be no break for military service. No break for Jr. College.
>> No break for time working at clients... just driving and gassing-up and
>> having an 'exchange vehicle' waiting exactly at the breakdown point
>> whenever one gave up the ghost.
>>
>> Tough on tires, and nerves, that.
>>
>> LLoyd
>

> I didnt start putting on tons of miles until [1570 words of lies; http://wordcounttools.com/]

No one believes you drove 3,000,000 miles. That's that.

[nickname unavailable]

See my other post in the thread. gummer doesn't own *any* lot,
including the one that houses the global HQ of Wieber Salvage & Hauling.
The Kern County Assessor / Recorder office records prove it.

[Gunner Asch]

What challenge and which of the cites Ive asked you for are you
referring to? So far..you have provided, None. Nada, Nachi, pudata,
Zip, Zero

Shabby? And no..its not a "double wide". Its a manufactured home.
Some differences. But if it were a double wide, Id not be embaressed.
Why should I be? Its mine, and its paid for and its quite comfy. And
Ive been in it since 1987. Is there an issue I seem to be missing?

>
>5. Back in the main property information page for 039-303-04-00-2, note
> the recorded documents. These are listed in descending date
> recorded. They are all deeds. The most recent one is 211112561.
> Select and copy that into your clipboard.
>
>6. Now go to the Assessor/Recorder Online page for the recorder's
> office at http://recorderonline.co.kern.ca.us/ On the menu at left,
> click on the Official Documents link, then in the next window under
> Select Search Type click on Document Number.
>
>7. Paste the document number you copied above into the From box and
> click the Search button. You'll get a summary page of information
> about the deed. At the left the document number is listed as a
> link; click on it.
>
>8. More information is displayed. You'll see that the grantors are
> several trusts along with an investment company, and the grantee
> is another real estate investment company.
>
> *gummer does not own the property*

Of course I dont own my lot. But I own the other 3. A black attorney
in Bakersfield owns my lot. He bought it from the investment co after
Jameson Trust sold it. I wasnt even aware that the investment company
was selling off its rather stupid investment.

>
>9. Repeat as you wish for each of the other listed documents that you
> saw back on the property information page. gummer's name is not
> on any of the deeds.
>
>10. Go back to the property search form (step 2, above), and set the
> Search Type to APN. In the search value box, key in the parcel
> numbers for the properties to the south and north of gummer's dump.
> The ending numbers are indicated by the values in circles on the
> parcels. The parcel to the south of gummer is 03, and the one to
> the north is 05. The parcels have to be entered without hyphens,
> so the one to the south is 03930303, and the one to the north is
> 03930305.
>
>11. Searching for 03930303, we see that the street address is actually
> on Wood St, the street that intersects Olive Av south of gummer's
> dump. Taking the most recent document number, 201158812 - a deed -
> and searching the documents database as in step 7, we find that
> the grantor was South Taft Property, Inc, and the grantee is
> Carlos Mena. *gummer does not own this property*

Wanna bet? (Grin)

>
>12. Searching for 03930305, we see that the street address is 322
> Olive Ave, next door to gummer (326). The most recently recorded
> document is 208048103 - a deed. Looking at this deed as in
> step 7, we find that the grantor was Rosemarie Torres, and the
> grantees are Don and Deanna Gooch. *gummer does not own it*

Wanna bet? (Grin)

>
>13. Just to be sure, we'll look at the parcels behind these three as
> indicated on the parcel map: 03930317, 03930318 and 03930319.
>
> 03930317 - gummer is not on any of the deeds associated with parcel
> 03930318 - gummer is not on any of the deeds associated with parcel
> 03930319 - gummer is not on any of the deeds assocaited with parcel
>
>*gummer doesn't own any property in the block*
>
>Here's another interesting thing to note, regarding the acreage of the
>parcels:
>
>03930303: .14
>03930304: .16 (gummer's dump)
>03930305: .13
>03930317: .14
>03930318: .16
>03930319: .22
>
>All six parcels together add up to .95 of an acre. So much for gummer's
>"ranch".
>
>>> "I am in negotiations with the owner to purchase the empty lot." "....
>>> I was "illegally dumping"..despite having the owners
>>> permission"
>>
>> Hardly "illegally dumping" Please define "illegal dumping" via
>> California state legal code. Ill be waiting.
>
>*YOU* are the stupid cheese log who first used it, you stupid fat fuck.

Actually..the county bitch was the one who used it. Not I.

>
>>> So readers are supposed to believe that you had permission from the
>>> owner who is yourself, to dump on the lot you previously claimed to
>>> own! Those damned cops, how could they NOT believe such a sensible
>>> story!
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/886e55dd68ec765b
>>> Let me guess... that lot isn't one of the three, but on the FOURTH
>>> surrounding side! And you condensed all your crap onto your postage
>>> stamp instead of using any of the rest of your empire!

As I stated much earlier.,..I bought the lot from Don after the bruha.
Got a problem with that? Oh of course you do. (VBG)

>>
>> I had purchased the lot behind and across the street before the side
>> lot.
>
>Let's examine these lies:
>
>1. Across the street is parcel 039-302-19.
>
>2. Following the methodology above, we find the most recent deed
> document is 205158879
>
>3. Document search shows the grantee to be Isidro Garcia Camargo
>
> *gummer does not own this parcel*
>
>4. Just to be safe, we repeat for parcels to the south and to the
> north of "across the street" from gummer. South is 039-302-20,
> and north is 039-302-18. The most recent deed for 039-302-18 is
> 206313436, while that for 039-302-20 is 205348126.
>
>5. These reveal the grantees for these parcels to be "Shea Estates
> Development Inc." and John Ashcraft, respectively.
>
> *gummer does not own these parcels*

Might want to contact John and ask him.
(VBG)

>
>
>> I talked to Don G..
>
>That would be Don Gooch, the present owner, who undoubtedly hates your
>guts...

Why would that be? I gave him what he asked for for the lot.

>
>
>> the owner about the cargo container..he said
>> he didnt have any problem with it as long as I kept the lot up. The
>> "lady" from the County had a problem with it. So I moved it onto my
>> property. Again she had a problem with that. So I talked to her
>> boss. He had her drop the issue as he didnt have a problem with that
>> either. As I mentioned to him..there are at least 3 or 4 others in the
>> neighborhood, and I took him around to look at them. He shrugged,
>> said..OK, no problem..it is south Taft afterall
>
>Yes, it *IS* South Taft, after all...heh heh heh...

And?

>
>
>> ..and the issue was
>> dropped. Now you have a problem with it? You living in Long Beach
>> or whereever the fuck you call home..perhaps the Home...and I, about
>> 150+ miles north up in the Central Valley? Of course you do. You are
>> a lying hate filled piece of dreck..of course you have a problem with
>> it. Failed businessman and a drunk..and you have nothing better to do
>> than try to hunt down someone you dont like and vent your self pity on
>> someone other than yourself. Go ahead if it makes you feel better.
>> Doesnt bother me in the slightest bit.
>>>
>>> Wouldn't it make more sense to look at what you've posted previously,
>>> and try to come up with a fable that is at least somewhat believable?
>>
>> Which "fable" might that be?
>
>Any of them. That's the whole problem, shitwad - they're all "fables",
>to be charitable about it.

Cites?

>
>>>>> "inDIPendent" contractor indeed. That was yet another fantasy. The
>>>>> facts are that you can't break the suction of that shithole because
>>>>> you're lazy, and because so much of what little energy you do have is
>>>>> devoted to besting Walter Mitty. BTW, you should look up the
>>>>> definition of "negative net worth" before you ever use the word "own"
>>>>> again.
>>>>
>>>> So Im not an independant contractor?
>>>
>>> You are a non-responsive buffoon who can't stop telling silly lies,
>>> and who imagines that somebody, somewhere, is dumb enough not to
>>> notice.
>>>
>>>> I was indeed a licensed electrician,
>>>
>>> No, it's just another stupid lie that you'll only ever support with
>>> more exaggerated BS.
>>>
>>>> I do engineering
>>>
>>> No, you don't "do" "engineering." You use the term because you think
>>> it makes more sense to exaggerate than to admit you're a part-time
>>> junk dealer. And you simply refuse to accept how easy it is for
>>> readers to see through the hyperbole.
>>
>> Odd...coming from someone like you who equates "junk dealing" with
>> machine tool modification, custom shop building, electrical
>> installations etc etc.
>
>Given all the other stupid lies, "machine tool modification" and the
>rest more likely than not are actually scavenging, salvage and junk dealing.

"more than likely"? Is that the best you can do? Oh...you mean you
cant find out from easily retrieved county records that are way
behind? That "more than likely"?
(VBG)
So whats my business license number? Hummm?

>
>>
>>>
>>>>>> And thats what I do. I never advertise myself as an
>>>>>> Engineer. State of California admitted that as well. And they gave me
>>>>>> the name of the person who put me up on the net as a licensed
>>>>>> Engineer. A name Ive not forgotten.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bwahaha! Why bother with these stupid elaborations when you already
>>>>> admitted it was "California advertising?"
>>>
>>>> Because it was not MY advertising.
>>>
>>> Sure it was. And the California advertising excuse was your first
>>> response to getting caught. The later stories about some nefarious
>>> person putting up ads for you are absurdly transparent.
>>
>>>
>>>> I have the name of the person who did just that.
>>>
>>> Then let's see it, as well as the name of the person in CA government
>>> who clued you in to this mysterious plot. Will you be making up some
>>> names, or writing some crazy excuses about why you're keeping the
>>> names a secret?
>> It was "illegal" for her to tell me who the complaintant was. So she
>> wrote it on a piece of paper, left it on the table and
>
>Ha ha ha ha ha! Now you're saying the "complaintant" [sic] was the same
>person who allegedly fabricated the <chortle> "California advertisement"
>in the first place?

Ayup. Seems you ...er folks really have a belly full of hate. Hope
it chokes you to death.
Quite frankly..Id not PAY to have my name in a magazine. Why would I?

Now while you are prowling around public records...what was the
disposition of the complaint? Feel free to look that up and present
the results here. Double dog dare you. It might make you look
good...or it might not. Go for it!!

>
>Add that to the huge reeking pile of lies.
>
>>>> And someday...he will be given the treatment he deserves
>>>
>>> No he won't, because he doesn't exist. "Leftists" aren't "hacking"
>>> your computer, and nobody is putting up ads for you. There are
>>> probably sites copying info from one another, but the original info
>>> came from you. And don't bother pretending that you don't advertise
>>> yourself, because here's one of them.
>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-wieber-00bb3660
>>
>> Ayup..a bunch of people on this group have Linkedin accounts. And?
>> Oh..you mean my resume?
>
>That puke is to a resume as a scrap of ass-wipe is to the Magna Carta.

Your hate filled spew, coming from a retard who couldnt remember a
color code from his shoe laces...is noted with extreme laughter.
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh..got the second gay magazine today in the mail. How much did that
subscription cost you? Or are you simply using the buddy system?
(VBG). The wife was busting up and I asked her whats up...and she
showed me. ROFLMAO!!! Ill pass it along to one of my gay buddies. He
might enjoy it. Ill bet he would enjoy you more though.
(VBG)

>
>>> BTW, isn't begging for a job a little beneath the Amazing Wieber? How
>>> is it that word of mouth hasn't caused Wieber Inc. Headquarters to be
>>> washed away by a flood of job offers? LOL
>>
>> Ive had 11 job offers.
>
>Cite.

$money?

>
>>>> Feel the clock ticking?
>>>
>>> Your imaginary clock stopped clicking a long time ago, and your
>>> juvenile threats never intimidated anyone. I thought that even someone
>>> as stupid as you would eventually figure out that online threats are
>>> pointless, but you've proven me wrong.
>>
>> My threats? Which were? Cites?
>
>All of the ones to have someone killed by the imaginary people who keep
>the imaginary list.

Which ones were they? Cites?

>
>>> Cue the ever-predictable Wieber hilariously writing "so you admit you
>>> were wrong."
>>>
>>>>>>> "My lawyer will be sending you a summins in the next few weeks or so"
>>>>>>> (2011)
>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.california/msg/f5b8947d02c618fa
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He talked me out of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> "He" must have talked you out of all the other legal threats as well!
>>>>> You're fond of the phrase "my laywer(s)." But you don't have a lawyer,
>>>>> and have never had a case or damages. For starters, you haven't any
>>>>> good reputation or income to have lost. Which is nobody's fault but
>>>>> your own.
>>
>> (VBG)
>
>LOL!

(VBG)

>
>>>>
>>>> Cites? Trot em out. WE would be happy to look at them.
>>>
>>> We? As in you and the cockroaches in your pocket? Oh, you mean you and
>>> your lawyers! Hahahaha! Let's see a receipt for any payments to any
>>> lawyers. Now listen to the clock ticking toward: "pay me to prove I'm
>>> telling the truth." LOL
>>
>> Cost you $100 per citation.
>
>You don't have any. It will cost you $1,000 to see my proof that you
>don't have any.

(VBG). So you are broke eh? Thats hardly surprising. Which one cost
you your job..the mental issues or the hate you cast around you?

>
>>>>>> (I couldnt come up with enough money....shrug)
>>>>>
>>>>> What, the "slander and libel" <chuckle> of Usenet posts ruined your
>>>>> promising future? Apparently you've forgotten that the archives are
>>>>> full of you blaming that on "dems," "leftists," various presidents,
>>>>> your wife, some guy who blackballed you, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Which "slander and libel" are you referring to?
>>>
>>> "I hope you have money..because I just retired <VBG>!!!!"
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.california/msg/f5b8947d02c618fa
>>
>> That was humor.
>
>aka, a lie. By the way, fuckwit, that threat to sue and "retire" was
>directed at *ME*! I feel so honored.

At "you"? Odd...that had to be someone else. Different nym, different
address, different IP addy. What..you wanting me to have you offed?
Sorry old boi toi...you are far far too much entertainment to have you
put down.

>
>>> So, how's that !!!!retirement!!!! coming along? Decided to go for the
>>> sleep-in-van-most-nights package, eh?
>>
>> As long as I have work out of my home area..
>
>...there just doesn't seem to be any scavenging, salvage and junk
>dealing going on in and around Taft, does there? <chortle>

Humm? Oh there are lots of people who do that. Usually thats what the
meth heads do. Perhaps you may know some of them through your dealer?

>
>>>> Your slander? Your libel? You do know that they are different from each other, are you
>>>> not?
>>>
>>> Well yeah, but you didn't. Must have been embarrassing to learn that
>>> the hard way, in public. Oh wait, you don't get embarrassed, you just
>>> walk softly and carry a big list of names you're having killed! Oh no,
>>> excuse me, the new threat is that you're going to use your online law
>>> diploma to sue your tormentors ... any day now!
>>
>> Law diploma?
>
><chortle>
>
>> You really are babbling this evening. Must of had a rough
>> day listening to the lady bitch and telling you to get out of the
>> house and go do something. Terrible situation you live in...snicker.
>>>
>>>> You of course are guilty of both, along with fraud.
>>>
>>> Well then, sue me and have me charged! What are you waiting for? Best
>>> to get my money and see me in jail BEFORE I get culled, right?
>>
>> You going to tell everyone who you are?
>
>Wh-wh-what? You mean your legion of brilliant computer weenies can't
>find that out for you? Surely you could forward the headers of his post
>to the "list keepers" and have *them* tell you?

Why? Doesnt the constant mystery keep the blood flowing and the charge
in the air...refreshing!!

(VBG)

>
>>>
>>>>> Not to mention that your future was never promising anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Sure beats yours.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ive taken a course on the matter of suits..online, granted...so when
>>>>>> Im willing to drop the hammer on someone..I can do it myself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another talent of the Amazing Wieber! Ok, I want to be the first
>>>>> defendant to face Taft's very own Perry Mason wannabe.
>>>
>>>> (VBG). Care to try being my first test case? Do yah punk?
>>>
>>> I ALREADY asked to be first! Multiple times! Sheesh, get working on
>>> your breefs already, cownsillir. And try to keep them from getting
>>> tangled in a rotating shaft.
>>
>> So trot out your name and address.
>
>Have your computer weenie friends find it for you <VBG>

What..you are ashamed of who and what you are? Id be too..if I were
you.
(VBG)

>
>>>
>>>>> No, it isn't three million either, or any of the other numbers you
>>>>> made up out of thin air. And therein lies your problem: a lack of
>>>>> sufficient intelligence to make your lies at least slightly credible.
>>>>> Shit can only be stacked so high before the new turds slide off the
>>>>> top of the pile and onto your feet. You reached that point so long ago
>>>>> that now you need a snorkel to breathe.
>>>>
>>>> Cites that it wasnt 3 million miles?
>>>
>>> Deduct your posting time, sleeping time, begging for smokes time,
>>> Victoria's Secret model-banging time, and all the rootin-tootin
>>> Amazing Wieber adventure time from the number of hours in 30 years,
>>> and multiply what's left by the average speed of a beater driven by a
>>> loser who can't afford gas money. It doesn't compute, you moron. Even
>>> after you revised the original boast downward multiple times, NOBODY
>>> believes numbers you're pulling out of your ass.
>>
>> 45 yrs you sick twit.
>
>You haven't driven 3,000,000 miles - period. It is all but
>mathematically impossible.
>
>
>Once again, gummer has his flabby doughy ass handed to him.

By whom? Certainly not by you. You have a hard enough time handling
yourself here on usenet.

(VBG)

Gunner

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 14:06:15 -0700, nickname unavailable
<video61a...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>
>> so why do you keep doing it?
>
>I don't; you do.

Neener Neener! Phuttzzz!!!

>
>We have shown that it is mathematically impossible for you to have
>driven 3,000,000 miles, *and* done all the other crazy bullshit you
>claim to have done. There's your "cite": indisputable arithmetic.

Really? Cites? Oh...sorry..you are pulling stuff out of your ass
again. Really bozoette..use at the very least...a sterile glove to
do that. And dont leave it laying there on the floor like a cow flop.

Gunner

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 14:07:24 -0700, nickname unavailable
<video61a...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>
>> Not your first one either...snicker
>
>Actually it is, in this thread, and it's inconsequential as well.

Actually...no...its not.

(VBG)

You are such an ugly putz. If you were a dog, they would put you down
because you could frighten children.

(VBG)

Gunner

[nickname unavailable]

clarvoyance [sic]. Can you post a cite?"

You fuckwit: he posted the cite regarding your "clarvoyance" [sic]
immediately prior.

It's a shabby mobile home.

> Some differences. But if it were a double wide, Id not be embaressed.
> Why should I be? Its mine, and its paid for and its quite comfy.

Who owns it? Not you.

>>
>> 5. Back in the main property information page for 039-303-04-00-2, note
>> the recorded documents. These are listed in descending date
>> recorded. They are all deeds. The most recent one is 211112561.
>> Select and copy that into your clipboard.
>>
>> 6. Now go to the Assessor/Recorder Online page for the recorder's
>> office at http://recorderonline.co.kern.ca.us/ On the menu at left,
>> click on the Official Documents link, then in the next window under
>> Select Search Type click on Document Number.
>>
>> 7. Paste the document number you copied above into the From box and
>> click the Search button. You'll get a summary page of information
>> about the deed. At the left the document number is listed as a
>> link; click on it.
>>
>> 8. More information is displayed. You'll see that the grantors are
>> several trusts along with an investment company, and the grantee
>> is another real estate investment company.
>>
>> *gummer does not own the property*
>
> Of course I dont own my lot.

Bingo!

> But I own the other 3.

Stop lying. You don't own the properties to the north or south of you,
and you don't own the properties behind any of those on Eastern Ave.
You also don't own any of the properties across the street from you on
the west side of Olive Ave. You don't own any fucking properties, period.

>>
>> 9. Repeat as you wish for each of the other listed documents that you
>> saw back on the property information page. gummer's name is not
>> on any of the deeds.
>>
>> 10. Go back to the property search form (step 2, above), and set the
>> Search Type to APN. In the search value box, key in the parcel
>> numbers for the properties to the south and north of gummer's dump.
>> The ending numbers are indicated by the values in circles on the
>> parcels. The parcel to the south of gummer is 03, and the one to
>> the north is 05. The parcels have to be entered without hyphens,
>> so the one to the south is 03930303, and the one to the north is
>> 03930305.
>>
>> 11. Searching for 03930303, we see that the street address is actually
>> on Wood St, the street that intersects Olive Av south of gummer's
>> dump. Taking the most recent document number, 201158812 - a deed -
>> and searching the documents database as in step 7, we find that
>> the grantor was South Taft Property, Inc, and the grantee is
>> Carlos Mena. *gummer does not own this property*
>
> Wanna bet?

I've already won the bet. Carlos Mena owns it. Your name is not on the
deed.

>>
>> 12. Searching for 03930305, we see that the street address is 322
>> Olive Ave, next door to gummer (326). The most recently recorded
>> document is 208048103 - a deed. Looking at this deed as in
>> step 7, we find that the grantor was Rosemarie Torres, and the
>> grantees are Don and Deanna Gooch. *gummer does not own it*
>
> Wanna bet?

I've already won the bet. Don and Deanna Gooch own it. You even said so.

>>
>> 13. Just to be sure, we'll look at the parcels behind these three as
>> indicated on the parcel map: 03930317, 03930318 and 03930319.
>>
>> 03930317 - gummer is not on any of the deeds associated with parcel
>> 03930318 - gummer is not on any of the deeds associated with parcel
>> 03930319 - gummer is not on any of the deeds assocaited with parcel
>>
>> *gummer doesn't own any property in the block*
>>
>> Here's another interesting thing to note, regarding the acreage of the
>> parcels:
>>
>> 03930303: .14
>> 03930304: .16 (gummer's dump)
>> 03930305: .13
>> 03930317: .14
>> 03930318: .16
>> 03930319: .22
>>
>> All six parcels together add up to .95 of an acre. So much for gummer's
>> "ranch".

<crickets>

>>>> "I am in negotiations with the owner to purchase the empty lot." "....
>>>> I was "illegally dumping"..despite having the owners
>>>> permission"
>>>
>>> Hardly "illegally dumping" Please define "illegal dumping" via
>>> California state legal code. Ill be waiting.
>>
>> *YOU* are the stupid cheese log who first used it, you stupid fat fuck.
>
> Actually..the county bitch was the one who used it. Not I.

Stop lying. You posted it here.

>>>> So readers are supposed to believe that you had permission from the
>>>> owner who is yourself, to dump on the lot you previously claimed to
>>>> own! Those damned cops, how could they NOT believe such a sensible
>>>> story!
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/886e55dd68ec765b
>>>> Let me guess... that lot isn't one of the three, but on the FOURTH
>>>> surrounding side! And you condensed all your crap onto your postage
>>>> stamp instead of using any of the rest of your empire!
>
> As I stated much earlier.,..I bought the lot from Don after the bruha.

Stop lying. His name is still on the most recent deed.

You do not own the property.

>>> I had purchased the lot behind and across the street before the side
>>> lot.
>>
>> Let's examine these lies:
>>
>> 1. Across the street is parcel 039-302-19.
>>
>> 2. Following the methodology above, we find the most recent deed
>> document is 205158879
>>
>> 3. Document search shows the grantee to be Isidro Garcia Camargo
>>
>> *gummer does not own this parcel*
>>
>> 4. Just to be safe, we repeat for parcels to the south and to the
>> north of "across the street" from gummer. South is 039-302-20,
>> and north is 039-302-18. The most recent deed for 039-302-18 is
>> 206313436, while that for 039-302-20 is 205348126.
>>
>> 5. These reveal the grantees for these parcels to be "Shea Estates
>> Development Inc." and John Ashcraft, respectively.
>>
>> *gummer does not own these parcels*
>
> Might want to contact John and ask him.

Stop lying. He is still on the deed.

You do not own the property.

>>
>>
>>> I talked to Don G..
>>
>> That would be Don Gooch, the present owner, who undoubtedly hates your
>> guts...
>
> Why would that be? I gave him what he asked for for the lot.

Stop lying. You didn't buy it. The day you scrape up $5,000 to buy a
property, when you couldn't scrape together a few hundred to get your
shitty trucks running, is the day I've bought out Donald Trump.

Stop lying. Gooch's name is still on the deed, because he is still the
owner.

322 Olive Ave, Taft:
"Last sold: Mar 2008 for $14,000"
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/322-Olive-Ave-Taft-CA-93268/18907160_zpid/

Well, whaddya know! That's the *same* month/year as appears on the most
recent deed to the property, the one that shows Don and Deanna Gooch as
the owners: http://tinyurl.com/h7ko73f

You don't own the property. Stop lying.

>>
>>> the owner about the cargo container..he said
>>> he didnt have any problem with it as long as I kept the lot up. The
>>> "lady" from the County had a problem with it. So I moved it onto my
>>> property. Again she had a problem with that. So I talked to her
>>> boss. He had her drop the issue as he didnt have a problem with that
>>> either. As I mentioned to him..there are at least 3 or 4 others in the
>>> neighborhood, and I took him around to look at them. He shrugged,
>>> said..OK, no problem..it is south Taft afterall
>>
>> Yes, it *IS* South Taft, after all...heh heh heh...
>
> And?

Haw haw haw! It's the meth capital of the south valley.

>>
>>> ..and the issue was
>>> dropped. Now you have a problem with it? You living in Long Beach
>>> or whereever the fuck you call home..perhaps the Home...and I, about
>>> 150+ miles north up in the Central Valley? Of course you do. You are
>>> a lying hate filled piece of dreck..of course you have a problem with
>>> it. Failed businessman and a drunk..and you have nothing better to do
>>> than try to hunt down someone you dont like and vent your self pity on
>>> someone other than yourself. Go ahead if it makes you feel better.
>>> Doesnt bother me in the slightest bit.
>>>>
>>>> Wouldn't it make more sense to look at what you've posted previously,
>>>> and try to come up with a fable that is at least somewhat believable?
>>>
>>> Which "fable" might that be?
>>
>> Any of them. That's the whole problem, shitwad - they're all "fables",
>> to be charitable about it.
>
> Cites?

LOL! You stupid jobless penniless truckless fuck.

>>>>>> "inDIPendent" contractor indeed. That was yet another fantasy. The
>>>>>> facts are that you can't break the suction of that shithole because
>>>>>> you're lazy, and because so much of what little energy you do have is
>>>>>> devoted to besting Walter Mitty. BTW, you should look up the
>>>>>> definition of "negative net worth" before you ever use the word "own"
>>>>>> again.
>>>>>
>>>>> So Im not an independant contractor?
>>>>
>>>> You are a non-responsive buffoon who can't stop telling silly lies,
>>>> and who imagines that somebody, somewhere, is dumb enough not to
>>>> notice.
>>>>
>>>>> I was indeed a licensed electrician,
>>>>
>>>> No, it's just another stupid lie that you'll only ever support with
>>>> more exaggerated BS.
>>>>
>>>>> I do engineering
>>>>
>>>> No, you don't "do" "engineering." You use the term because you think
>>>> it makes more sense to exaggerate than to admit you're a part-time
>>>> junk dealer. And you simply refuse to accept how easy it is for
>>>> readers to see through the hyperbole.
>>>
>>> Odd...coming from someone like you who equates "junk dealing" with
>>> machine tool modification, custom shop building, electrical
>>> installations etc etc.
>>
>> Given all the other stupid lies, "machine tool modification" and the
>> rest more likely than not are actually scavenging, salvage and junk dealing.
>
> "more than likely"? Is that the best you can do?

More than adequate.

>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> And thats what I do. I never advertise myself as an
>>>>>>> Engineer. State of California admitted that as well. And they gave me
>>>>>>> the name of the person who put me up on the net as a licensed
>>>>>>> Engineer. A name Ive not forgotten.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bwahaha! Why bother with these stupid elaborations when you already
>>>>>> admitted it was "California advertising?"
>>>>
>>>>> Because it was not MY advertising.
>>>>
>>>> Sure it was. And the California advertising excuse was your first
>>>> response to getting caught. The later stories about some nefarious
>>>> person putting up ads for you are absurdly transparent.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I have the name of the person who did just that.
>>>>
>>>> Then let's see it, as well as the name of the person in CA government
>>>> who clued you in to this mysterious plot. Will you be making up some
>>>> names, or writing some crazy excuses about why you're keeping the
>>>> names a secret?
>>> It was "illegal" for her to tell me who the complaintant was. So she
>>> wrote it on a piece of paper, left it on the table and
>>
>> Ha ha ha ha ha! Now you're saying the "complaintant" [sic] was the same
>> person who allegedly fabricated the <chortle> "California advertisement"
>> in the first place?
>
> Ayup. Seems you ...er folks really have a belly full of hate.

Nope. Just enjoy taking down a big-mouth death-threatening
blowhard...an *IMPOTENT* big-mouth death-threatening blowhard.

You suck. You also blow. You suck and you blow.

>
>>
>> Add that to the huge reeking pile of lies.
>>
>>>>> And someday...he will be given the treatment he deserves
>>>>
>>>> No he won't, because he doesn't exist. "Leftists" aren't "hacking"
>>>> your computer, and nobody is putting up ads for you. There are
>>>> probably sites copying info from one another, but the original info
>>>> came from you. And don't bother pretending that you don't advertise
>>>> yourself, because here's one of them.
>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-wieber-00bb3660
>>>
>>> Ayup..a bunch of people on this group have Linkedin accounts. And?
>>> Oh..you mean my resume?
>>
>> That puke is to a resume as a scrap of ass-wipe is to the Magna Carta.
>
> Your hate filled spew,

wah wah wah...

> Oh..got the second gay magazine today in the mail.

Cite.

>>>> BTW, isn't begging for a job a little beneath the Amazing Wieber? How
>>>> is it that word of mouth hasn't caused Wieber Inc. Headquarters to be
>>>> washed away by a flood of job offers? LOL
>>>
>>> Ive had 11 job offers.
>>
>> Cite.
>
> $money?

Cite.

>>
>>>>> Feel the clock ticking?
>>>>
>>>> Your imaginary clock stopped clicking a long time ago, and your
>>>> juvenile threats never intimidated anyone. I thought that even someone
>>>> as stupid as you would eventually figure out that online threats are
>>>> pointless, but you've proven me wrong.
>>>
>>> My threats? Which were? Cites?
>>
>> All of the ones to have someone killed by the imaginary people who keep
>> the imaginary list.
>
> Which ones were they? Cites?

"Actually..from what I understand..you are about to be really..really
fucked."
<q90qeahfdaebb0m5n...@4ax.com>

"You made it to the List long ago..and its about time to answer for it."
<b00qeapb2akdg42rr...@4ax.com>

"Just so you know...Ive called a few old friends up in your area and
they will be coming around to see about your orange tree..just to make
sure its sturdy enough to hold a mans weight."
<9kroea5b80ajfpmf0...@4ax.com>

Of course, they are all empty wheeze - nothing but bullshit.

>>>> Cue the ever-predictable Wieber hilariously writing "so you admit you
>>>> were wrong."
>>>>
>>>>>>>> "My lawyer will be sending you a summins in the next few weeks or so"
>>>>>>>> (2011)
>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.california/msg/f5b8947d02c618fa
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He talked me out of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "He" must have talked you out of all the other legal threats as well!
>>>>>> You're fond of the phrase "my laywer(s)." But you don't have a lawyer,
>>>>>> and have never had a case or damages. For starters, you haven't any
>>>>>> good reputation or income to have lost. Which is nobody's fault but
>>>>>> your own.
>>>
>>> (VBG)
>>
>> LOL!
> (VBG)

LOL!

>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cites? Trot em out. WE would be happy to look at them.
>>>>
>>>> We? As in you and the cockroaches in your pocket? Oh, you mean you and
>>>> your lawyers! Hahahaha! Let's see a receipt for any payments to any
>>>> lawyers. Now listen to the clock ticking toward: "pay me to prove I'm
>>>> telling the truth." LOL
>>>
>>> Cost you $100 per citation.
>>
>> You don't have any. It will cost you $1,000 to see my proof that you
>> don't have any.
>
> (VBG). So you are broke eh?

Nope. Not rich, but I can buy and sell you several times over...and did
I mention I'm not rich?

You don't have two nickels to rub together. Dole-scrounging dumpster
divers seldom do.

>>
>>>>>>> (I couldnt come up with enough money....shrug)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What, the "slander and libel" <chuckle> of Usenet posts ruined your
>>>>>> promising future? Apparently you've forgotten that the archives are
>>>>>> full of you blaming that on "dems," "leftists," various presidents,
>>>>>> your wife, some guy who blackballed you, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which "slander and libel" are you referring to?
>>>>
>>>> "I hope you have money..because I just retired <VBG>!!!!"
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.california/msg/f5b8947d02c618fa
>>>
>>> That was humor.
>>
>> aka, a lie. By the way, fuckwit, that threat to sue and "retire" was
>> directed at *ME*! I feel so honored.
>
> At "you"? Odd...that had to be someone else. Different nym, different
> address, different IP addy.

Cite.

It was directed at me, all right. It's one of many nyms I've used to
torment you (justifiably) over the years.

>>>> So, how's that !!!!retirement!!!! coming along? Decided to go for the
>>>> sleep-in-van-most-nights package, eh?
>>>
>>> As long as I have work out of my home area..
>>
>> ...there just doesn't seem to be any scavenging, salvage and junk
>> dealing going on in and around Taft, does there? <chortle>
>
> Humm? Oh there are lots of people who do that.

Ah...so it's the competition that's killing you, eh? Something any
meth-head can do.

How many manhole covers have you stolen?

>>>>> Your slander? Your libel? You do know that they are different from each other, are you
>>>>> not?
>>>>
>>>> Well yeah, but you didn't. Must have been embarrassing to learn that
>>>> the hard way, in public. Oh wait, you don't get embarrassed, you just
>>>> walk softly and carry a big list of names you're having killed! Oh no,
>>>> excuse me, the new threat is that you're going to use your online law
>>>> diploma to sue your tormentors ... any day now!
>>>
>>> Law diploma?
>>
>> <chortle>
>>
>>> You really are babbling this evening. Must of had a rough
>>> day listening to the lady bitch and telling you to get out of the
>>> house and go do something. Terrible situation you live in...snicker.
>>>>
>>>>> You of course are guilty of both, along with fraud.
>>>>
>>>> Well then, sue me and have me charged! What are you waiting for? Best
>>>> to get my money and see me in jail BEFORE I get culled, right?
>>>
>>> You going to tell everyone who you are?
>>
>> Wh-wh-what? You mean your legion of brilliant computer weenies can't
>> find that out for you? Surely you could forward the headers of his post
>> to the "list keepers" and have *them* tell you?
>
> Why?

Because you claim to want to know, and you claim to have "buddies" who
allegedly can find that sort of thing easily.

>>>>
>>>>>> Not to mention that your future was never promising anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure beats yours.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ive taken a course on the matter of suits..online, granted...so when
>>>>>>> Im willing to drop the hammer on someone..I can do it myself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another talent of the Amazing Wieber! Ok, I want to be the first
>>>>>> defendant to face Taft's very own Perry Mason wannabe.
>>>>
>>>>> (VBG). Care to try being my first test case? Do yah punk?
>>>>
>>>> I ALREADY asked to be first! Multiple times! Sheesh, get working on
>>>> your breefs already, cownsillir. And try to keep them from getting
>>>> tangled in a rotating shaft.
>>>
>>> So trot out your name and address.
>>
>> Have your computer weenie friends find it for you <VBG>
>
> What..you are ashamed of who and what you are?

Not in the least. I wouldn't say I'm proud to be better than you,
because I know of two convicted sex offenders languishing in prison who
are nonetheless better than you, so being better than you isn't much of
a hurdle, is it?

But I do "own" my own house with a few hundred thousand equity and not
much longer to pay off the mortgage, and I earn enough to send my kid to
a private school at $15K a year, and my car is running and I've never
had to come sobbing to rec.crafts.metalworking for ideas on how to get a
vehicle on the road, and I've never incurred tens of thousands in
medical expenses that either the taxpayer picked up or I duffed out of
in bankruptcy, so yeah, I'm better than you.

>>>>
>>>>>> No, it isn't three million either, or any of the other numbers you
>>>>>> made up out of thin air. And therein lies your problem: a lack of
>>>>>> sufficient intelligence to make your lies at least slightly credible.
>>>>>> Shit can only be stacked so high before the new turds slide off the
>>>>>> top of the pile and onto your feet. You reached that point so long ago
>>>>>> that now you need a snorkel to breathe.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cites that it wasnt 3 million miles?
>>>>
>>>> Deduct your posting time, sleeping time, begging for smokes time,
>>>> Victoria's Secret model-banging time, and all the rootin-tootin
>>>> Amazing Wieber adventure time from the number of hours in 30 years,
>>>> and multiply what's left by the average speed of a beater driven by a
>>>> loser who can't afford gas money. It doesn't compute, you moron. Even
>>>> after you revised the original boast downward multiple times, NOBODY
>>>> believes numbers you're pulling out of your ass.
>>>
>>> 45 yrs you sick twit.
>>
>> You haven't driven 3,000,000 miles - period. It is all but
>> mathematically impossible.
>>
>>
>> Once again, gummer has his flabby doughy ass handed to him.
>
> By whom?

johnb and me, most recently.

[nickname unavailable]

On 4/5/2016 4:22 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 14:06:15 -0700, nickname unavailable
> <video61a...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> On 4/4/2016 8:13 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:

>>> On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 13:32:24 -0700, nickname unavailable
>>> <video61a...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Only accident I had was in 1970, when I bought my Rambler station
>>>>> wagon,
>>>>
>>>> You turned 16 in November 1970. Unless you immediately obtained a
>>>> driver license without going through driver training, you didn't buy a
>>>> car in 1970.
>>>
>>> Actually...I took drivers training in September of that year. (VBG)
>>>>
>>>>> Or are you bitching about the total number of miles? In a later
>>>>> post..I did some careful calculations..and admitted it was way too
>>>>> high...it should have been down around 3 million miles.
>>>>
>>>> If you did nothing but drive at 70 mph for 8 hours a day, five days a
>>>> week, 50 weeks per year, it would take you 21.4 years to drive 3,000,000
>>>> miles. You have not driven 3,000,000 miles.
>>>>
>>>> Just one stupid fucking lie piled atop another.
>>>

>>> so why do you keep doing it?
>>
>> I don't; you do.
>
> Neener Neener!

You keep doing it, and you keep getting caught at it. You haven't
driven 3,000,000 miles. That's settled.

>>
>> We have shown that it is mathematically impossible for you to have
>> driven 3,000,000 miles, *and* done all the other crazy bullshit you
>> claim to have done. There's your "cite": indisputable arithmetic.
>
> Really? Cites?

The arithmetic, blowjob - that's the cite.

The Kern County Assessor / Recorder documents showing that you aren't on
the deed for *ANY* of the properties you claim to own. Those are the
cites. Your posts claiming "a few", "3", "5" and "8" years as a "cop on
the street". Those are the cites.

You're a liar - a genuine pathological liar.

[nickname unavailable]

On 4/5/2016 4:24 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 14:07:24 -0700, nickname unavailable
> <video61a...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Not your first one either...snicker
>>
>> Actually it is, in this thread, and it's inconsequential as well.
>
> Actually...no...its not.

Actually...it is.

> You are such an ugly putz.

Oh, sure:
https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/Bypass#5297722097241260450

As if you have any room to talk.

>>>>> But it you want a head-scratcher of a timeline, consider this:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Graduated from high school in June, 1971, at age 17.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Attended Kirtland Community College, Roscommon, MI, 1971.
>>>>
>>>> Missed that detail before; knew about the others.
>>>>
>>>>> 3) Enlisted in the army at age 17, 1971, under an assumed name that he
>>>>> plucked off of a gravestone, and for which he had a birth certificate
>>>>> made.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4) Turned 18 on Nov. 11, 1971.
>>>>>
>>>>> 5) Sent to Vietnam in 1971.
>>>>
>>>> That's what seems completely implausible. If he graduated from high
>>>> school June 1971, then attended the community college for any
>>>> appreciable amount of time thereafter, he simply wouldn't have had
>>>> enough time to
>>>>
>>>> a) enlist
>>>> b) complete basic training
>>>> c) complete advanced infantry training
>>>> d) complete Ranger training
>>>>
>>>> and still have been sent to Vietnam by the end of the year. And all of
>>>> that when the Army already was rapidly withdrawing combat troops from
>>>> the country.

Heh heh heh. The entire story reeks of bullshit.

>>>>> 6) Has a DD-214 with the assumed name in the bottom of a locker at his
>>>>> parents' home in Michigan.
>>>>>
>>>>> Impossible? No. But try wrapping your head around why one would do
>>>>> that when he was going to be fully qualified on Nov. 11, and enlisted
>>>>> *after* he had attended a community college in the same year, having
>>>>> graduated from high school in June.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's another one, regarding claims about the VA that I don't think
>>>>> Kidding has ever tackled, but it's really the most curious of all.
>>>>> However, we know where it will lead, and it isn't worth the time to
>>>>> dig it up.
>>>>
>>>> Let's have a hint at it - maybe someone will dig it up.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or are you bitching about the total number of miles? In a later
>>>>>>> post..I did some careful calculations..and admitted it was way too
>>>>>>> high...it should have been down around 3 million miles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you did nothing but drive at 70 mph for 8 hours a day, five days a
>>>>>> week, 50 weeks per year, it would take you 21.4 years to drive
>>>>>> 3,000,000
>>>>>> miles. You have not driven 3,000,000 miles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just one stupid fucking lie piled atop another.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a lifestyle. <g>
>>>>>
>>> (VBG)
>>
>> Yeah, chronic lying - and *stupid* lying - is the defining
>> characteristic of your lifestyle.

<crickets>

[nickname unavailable]

So your challenge for a "cite" was bullshit.

>> Unless your vision was you clutching your chest, you are insane. Oh
>> hell, you're insane regardless.
>
> Actually..my vision showed me being killed by 2 black guys who
> hijacked my truck.
>>
>> Unless and until you can find and keep a job, you're an impotent bag
>> of wind.
>
> The opinion of a spitoon is noted with great amusment.
>>
>>> Cites to my not owning the 3 other lots around me?

Given below.

>> You wrote a long woe-is-me spiel about being ordered to remove your
>> trespassing crap from the lot next door.
>
> Ayup..and I then bought it from the owner for $5k.

5. Back in the main property information page for 039-303-04-00-2, note
the recorded documents. These are listed in descending date
recorded. They are all deeds. The most recent one is 211112561.
Select and copy that into your clipboard.

6. Now go to the Assessor/Recorder Online page for the recorder's
office at http://recorderonline.co.kern.ca.us/ On the menu at left,
click on the Official Documents link, then in the next window under
Select Search Type click on Document Number.

7. Paste the document number you copied above into the From box and
click the Search button. You'll get a summary page of information
about the deed. At the left the document number is listed as a
link; click on it.

8. More information is displayed. You'll see that the grantors are
several trusts along with an investment company, and the grantee
is another real estate investment company.

*gummer does not own the property*

9. Repeat as you wish for each of the other listed documents that you
saw back on the property information page. gummer's name is not
on any of the deeds.

10. Go back to the property search form (step 2, above), and set the
Search Type to APN. In the search value box, key in the parcel
numbers for the properties to the south and north of gummer's dump.
The ending numbers are indicated by the values in circles on the
parcels. The parcel to the south of gummer is 03, and the one to
the north is 05. The parcels have to be entered without hyphens,
so the one to the south is 03930303, and the one to the north is
03930305.

11. Searching for 03930303, we see that the street address is actually
on Wood St, the street that intersects Olive Av south of gummer's
dump. Taking the most recent document number, 201158812 - a deed -
and searching the documents database as in step 7, we find that
the grantor was South Taft Property, Inc, and the grantee is
Carlos Mena. *gummer does not own this property*

12. Searching for 03930305, we see that the street address is 322
Olive Ave, next door to gummer (326). The most recently recorded
document is 208048103 - a deed. Looking at this deed as in
step 7, we find that the grantor was Rosemarie Torres, and the
grantees are Don and Deanna Gooch. *gummer does not own it*

13. Just to be sure, we'll look at the parcels behind these three as
indicated on the parcel map: 03930317, 03930318 and 03930319.

03930317 - gummer is not on any of the deeds associated with parcel
03930318 - gummer is not on any of the deeds associated with parcel
03930319 - gummer is not on any of the deeds assocaited with parcel

*gummer doesn't own any property in the block*

Here's another interesting thing to note, regarding the acreage of the
parcels:

03930303: .14
03930304: .16 (gummer's dump)
03930305: .13
03930317: .14
03930318: .16
03930319: .22

All six parcels together add up to .95 of an acre. So much for gummer's
"ranch".

>> "I am in negotiations with the owner to purchase the empty lot." "....
>> I was "illegally dumping"..despite having the owners
>> permission"
>
> Hardly "illegally dumping" Please define "illegal dumping" via
> California state legal code. Ill be waiting.

*YOU* are the stupid cheese log who first used it, you stupid fat fuck.

>> So readers are supposed to believe that you had permission from the
>> owner who is yourself, to dump on the lot you previously claimed to
>> own! Those damned cops, how could they NOT believe such a sensible
>> story!
>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/msg/886e55dd68ec765b
>> Let me guess... that lot isn't one of the three, but on the FOURTH
>> surrounding side! And you condensed all your crap onto your postage
>> stamp instead of using any of the rest of your empire!
>
> I had purchased the lot behind and across the street before the side
> lot.

Let's examine these lies:

1. Across the street is parcel 039-302-19.

2. Following the methodology above, we find the most recent deed
document is 205158879

3. Document search shows the grantee to be Isidro Garcia Camargo

*gummer does not own this parcel*

4. Just to be safe, we repeat for parcels to the south and to the
north of "across the street" from gummer. South is 039-302-20,
and north is 039-302-18. The most recent deed for 039-302-18 is
206313436, while that for 039-302-20 is 205348126.

5. These reveal the grantees for these parcels to be "Shea Estates
Development Inc." and John Ashcraft, respectively.

*gummer does not own these parcels*

> I talked to Don G..

That would be Don Gooch, the present owner, who undoubtedly hates your
guts...

> the owner about the cargo container..he said
> he didnt have any problem with it as long as I kept the lot up. The
> "lady" from the County had a problem with it. So I moved it onto my
> property. Again she had a problem with that. So I talked to her
> boss. He had her drop the issue as he didnt have a problem with that
> either. As I mentioned to him..there are at least 3 or 4 others in the
> neighborhood, and I took him around to look at them. He shrugged,

> said..OK, no problem..it is south Taft afterall

Yes, it *IS* South Taft, after all...heh heh heh...

> ..and the issue was
> dropped. Now you have a problem with it? You living in Long Beach
> or whereever the fuck you call home..perhaps the Home...and I, about
> 150+ miles north up in the Central Valley? Of course you do. You are
> a lying hate filled piece of dreck..of course you have a problem with
> it. Failed businessman and a drunk..and you have nothing better to do
> than try to hunt down someone you dont like and vent your self pity on
> someone other than yourself. Go ahead if it makes you feel better.
> Doesnt bother me in the slightest bit.
>>
>> Wouldn't it make more sense to look at what you've posted previously,
>> and try to come up with a fable that is at least somewhat believable?
>
> Which "fable" might that be?

Any of them. That's the whole problem, shitwad - they're all "fables",
to be charitable about it.

>>>> "inDIPendent" contractor indeed. That was yet another fantasy. The
>>>> facts are that you can't break the suction of that shithole because
>>>> you're lazy, and because so much of what little energy you do have is
>>>> devoted to besting Walter Mitty. BTW, you should look up the
>>>> definition of "negative net worth" before you ever use the word "own"
>>>> again.
>>>
>>> So Im not an independant contractor?
>>
>> You are a non-responsive buffoon who can't stop telling silly lies,
>> and who imagines that somebody, somewhere, is dumb enough not to
>> notice.
>>
>>> I was indeed a licensed electrician,
>>
>> No, it's just another stupid lie that you'll only ever support with
>> more exaggerated BS.
>>
>>> I do engineering
>>
>> No, you don't "do" "engineering." You use the term because you think
>> it makes more sense to exaggerate than to admit you're a part-time
>> junk dealer. And you simply refuse to accept how easy it is for
>> readers to see through the hyperbole.
>
> Odd...coming from someone like you who equates "junk dealing" with
> machine tool modification, custom shop building, electrical
> installations etc etc.

Given all the other stupid lies, "machine tool modification" and the
rest more likely than not are actually scavenging, salvage and junk dealing.

>
>>

>>>>> And thats what I do. I never advertise myself as an
>>>>> Engineer. State of California admitted that as well. And they gave me
>>>>> the name of the person who put me up on the net as a licensed
>>>>> Engineer. A name Ive not forgotten.
>>>>
>>>> Bwahaha! Why bother with these stupid elaborations when you already
>>>> admitted it was "California advertising?"
>>
>>> Because it was not MY advertising.
>>
>> Sure it was. And the California advertising excuse was your first
>> response to getting caught. The later stories about some nefarious
>> person putting up ads for you are absurdly transparent.
>
>>
>>> I have the name of the person who did just that.
>>
>> Then let's see it, as well as the name of the person in CA government
>> who clued you in to this mysterious plot. Will you be making up some
>> names, or writing some crazy excuses about why you're keeping the
>> names a secret?
> It was "illegal" for her to tell me who the complaintant was. So she
> wrote it on a piece of paper, left it on the table and

Ha ha ha ha ha! Now you're saying the "complaintant" [sic] was the same
person who allegedly fabricated the <chortle> "California advertisement"
in the first place?

Add that to the huge reeking pile of lies.

>>> And someday...he will be given the treatment he deserves
>>
>> No he won't, because he doesn't exist. "Leftists" aren't "hacking"
>> your computer, and nobody is putting up ads for you. There are
>> probably sites copying info from one another, but the original info
>> came from you. And don't bother pretending that you don't advertise
>> yourself, because here's one of them.
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-wieber-00bb3660
>
> Ayup..a bunch of people on this group have Linkedin accounts. And?
> Oh..you mean my resume?

That puke is to a resume as a scrap of ass-wipe is to the Magna Carta.

>> BTW, isn't begging for a job a little beneath the Amazing Wieber? How
>> is it that word of mouth hasn't caused Wieber Inc. Headquarters to be
>> washed away by a flood of job offers? LOL
>
> Ive had 11 job offers.

Cite.

>>> Feel the clock ticking?
>>
>> Your imaginary clock stopped clicking a long time ago, and your
>> juvenile threats never intimidated anyone. I thought that even someone
>> as stupid as you would eventually figure out that online threats are
>> pointless, but you've proven me wrong.
>
> My threats? Which were? Cites?

All of the ones to have someone killed by the imaginary people who keep
the imaginary list.

>> Cue the ever-predictable Wieber hilariously writing "so you admit you
>> were wrong."
>>
>>>>>> "My lawyer will be sending you a summins in the next few weeks or so"
>>>>>> (2011)
>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.california/msg/f5b8947d02c618fa
>>>>>
>>>>> He talked me out of it.
>>>>
>>>> "He" must have talked you out of all the other legal threats as well!
>>>> You're fond of the phrase "my laywer(s)." But you don't have a lawyer,
>>>> and have never had a case or damages. For starters, you haven't any
>>>> good reputation or income to have lost. Which is nobody's fault but
>>>> your own.
>
> (VBG)

LOL!

>>>
>>> Cites? Trot em out. WE would be happy to look at them.
>>
>> We? As in you and the cockroaches in your pocket? Oh, you mean you and
>> your lawyers! Hahahaha! Let's see a receipt for any payments to any
>> lawyers. Now listen to the clock ticking toward: "pay me to prove I'm
>> telling the truth." LOL
>
> Cost you $100 per citation.

You don't have any. It will cost you $1,000 to see my proof that you
don't have any.

>>>>> (I couldnt come up with enough money....shrug)
>>>>
>>>> What, the "slander and libel" <chuckle> of Usenet posts ruined your
>>>> promising future? Apparently you've forgotten that the archives are
>>>> full of you blaming that on "dems," "leftists," various presidents,
>>>> your wife, some guy who blackballed you, etc.
>>>
>>> Which "slander and libel" are you referring to?
>>
>> "I hope you have money..because I just retired <VBG>!!!!"
>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.california/msg/f5b8947d02c618fa
>
> That was humor.

aka, a lie. By the way, fuckwit, that threat to sue and "retire" was
directed at *ME*! I feel so honored.

>> So, how's that !!!!retirement!!!! coming along? Decided to go for the
>> sleep-in-van-most-nights package, eh?
>

> As long as I have work out of my home area..

...there just doesn't seem to be any scavenging, salvage and junk
dealing going on in and around Taft, does there? <chortle>

>>> Your slander? Your libel? You do know that they are different from each other, are you
>>> not?
>>
>> Well yeah, but you didn't. Must have been embarrassing to learn that
>> the hard way, in public. Oh wait, you don't get embarrassed, you just
>> walk softly and carry a big list of names you're having killed! Oh no,
>> excuse me, the new threat is that you're going to use your online law
>> diploma to sue your tormentors ... any day now!
>
> Law diploma?

<chortle>

> You really are babbling this evening. Must of had a rough
> day listening to the lady bitch and telling you to get out of the
> house and go do something. Terrible situation you live in...snicker.
>>
>>> You of course are guilty of both, along with fraud.
>>
>> Well then, sue me and have me charged! What are you waiting for? Best
>> to get my money and see me in jail BEFORE I get culled, right?
>
> You going to tell everyone who you are?

Wh-wh-what? You mean your legion of brilliant computer weenies can't
find that out for you? Surely you could forward the headers of his post
to the "list keepers" and have *them* tell you?

>>

>>>> Not to mention that your future was never promising anyway.
>>>
>>> Sure beats yours.
>>>>
>>>>> Ive taken a course on the matter of suits..online, granted...so when
>>>>> Im willing to drop the hammer on someone..I can do it myself.
>>>>
>>>> Another talent of the Amazing Wieber! Ok, I want to be the first
>>>> defendant to face Taft's very own Perry Mason wannabe.
>>
>>> (VBG). Care to try being my first test case? Do yah punk?
>>
>> I ALREADY asked to be first! Multiple times! Sheesh, get working on
>> your breefs already, cownsillir. And try to keep them from getting
>> tangled in a rotating shaft.
>
> So trot out your name and address.

Have your computer weenie friends find it for you <VBG>

>>

>>>> No, it isn't three million either, or any of the other numbers you
>>>> made up out of thin air. And therein lies your problem: a lack of
>>>> sufficient intelligence to make your lies at least slightly credible.
>>>> Shit can only be stacked so high before the new turds slide off the
>>>> top of the pile and onto your feet. You reached that point so long ago
>>>> that now you need a snorkel to breathe.
>>>
>>> Cites that it wasnt 3 million miles?
>>
>> Deduct your posting time, sleeping time, begging for smokes time,
>> Victoria's Secret model-banging time, and all the rootin-tootin
>> Amazing Wieber adventure time from the number of hours in 30 years,
>> and multiply what's left by the average speed of a beater driven by a
>> loser who can't afford gas money. It doesn't compute, you moron. Even
>> after you revised the original boast downward multiple times, NOBODY
>> believes numbers you're pulling out of your ass.
>
> 45 yrs you sick twit.

[Good Soldier Schweik]

On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 16:22:28 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 14:06:15 -0700, nickname unavailable
><video61a...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> so why do you keep doing it?
>>
>>I don't; you do.
>
>Neener Neener! Phuttzzz!!!
>>
>>We have shown that it is mathematically impossible for you to have
>>driven 3,000,000 miles, *and* done all the other crazy bullshit you
>>claim to have done. There's your "cite": indisputable arithmetic.
>
>Really? Cites? Oh...sorry..you are pulling stuff out of your ass
>again.

You mean he is making up something like 2 x 2 = 4? Does the
remarkable Gunner really need a "cite" to believe that?

A strange world you live in.

>Really bozoette..use at the very least...a sterile glove to
>do that. And dont leave it laying there on the floor like a cow flop.
>
>Gunner

--

Cheers,

Schweik

[nickname unavailable]

On 4/5/2016 7:12 PM, Good Soldier Schweik wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 16:22:28 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 14:06:15 -0700, nickname unavailable
>> <video61a...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> so why do you keep doing it?
>>>
>>> I don't; you do.
>>
>> Neener Neener! Phuttzzz!!!
>>>
>>> We have shown that it is mathematically impossible for you to have
>>> driven 3,000,000 miles, *and* done all the other crazy bullshit you
>>> claim to have done. There's your "cite": indisputable arithmetic.
>>
>> Really? Cites? Oh...sorry..you are pulling stuff out of your ass
>> again.
>
> You mean he is making up something like 2 x 2 = 4? Does the
> remarkable Gunner really need a "cite" to believe that?

"Cite!", squealed in a high-pitch nasal soprano whine, is what gummer
imagines to be an all-purpose trump card.

Example:

Let's suppose gummer likes nuoc mam flavored haggis.

gummer's opponent (and better): "I don't like nuoc mam flavored
haggis."

gummer: "Cite!"


That's how gummer plays it. It's very comical.

> A strange world you live in.

gummer - a multiply rehabbed meth-head - lives in a very strange world
indeed.

[Good Soldier Schweik]

On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 19:39:17 -0700, nickname unavailable

But perhaps it is not Gunner who is at fault.

We all, as children enjoyed the stories of Peter Pan, the Boy Who

Wouldn't Grow Up, along with Wendy Darling, The Lost Boys, and Tinker

Bell the Fairy and their adventures in Never Land.

It wasn't Gunner that changed; it was us.... We grew up.

--

Cheers,

Schweik

[nickname unavailable]

It is gummer who is at fault.

> We all, as children enjoyed the stories of Peter Pan, the Boy Who
> Wouldn't Grow Up, along with Wendy Darling, The Lost Boys, and Tinker
> Bell the Fairy and their adventures in Never Land.
>
> It wasn't Gunner that changed; it was us.... We grew up.

It's still gummer's fault - he *chose* not to grow up.

[Gunner Asch]

(VBG)

[Gunner Asch]

(Grin)

[Gunner Asch]

(Grin)

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 17:19:25 -0700, nickname unavailable
<video61a...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> grantees are Don and Deanna Gooch. *gummer does not own it*
>>
>> Wanna bet?
>
>I've already won the bet. Don and Deanna Gooch own it. You even said so.

Never heard of a "land contract"?

(VBG)

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 17:19:25 -0700, nickname unavailable
<video61a...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>
>> Ayup. Seems you ...er folks really have a belly full of hate.
>
>Nope. Just enjoy taking down a big-mouth death-threatening
>blowhard...an *IMPOTENT* big-mouth death-threatening blowhard.
>
>You suck. You also blow. You suck and you blow.

(VBG)

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 17:32:17 -0700, nickname unavailable
<video61a...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>
>> Neener Neener!
>
>You keep doing it, and you keep getting caught at it. You haven't
>driven 3,000,000 miles. That's settled.

(VBG)

[Gunner Asch]

On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 09:12:39 +0700, Good Soldier Schweik
<goods...@anyuwhere.ogx> wrote:

>>Really? Cites? Oh...sorry..you are pulling stuff out of your ass
>>again.
>
>You mean he is making up something like 2 x 2 = 4? Does the
>remarkable Gunner really need a "cite" to believe that?

(VBG)

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 19:39:17 -0700, nickname unavailable
<video61a...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>
>> You mean he is making up something like 2 x 2 = 4? Does the
>> remarkable Gunner really need a "cite" to believe that?
>
>"Cite!", squealed in a high-pitch nasal soprano whine, is what gummer
>imagines to be an all-purpose trump card.
>
>Example:

(VBG)

[Gunner Asch]

On Wed, 06 Apr 2016 10:47:48 +0700, Good Soldier Schweik
<goods...@anyuwhere.ogx> wrote:

>>gummer - a multiply rehabbed meth-head - lives in a very strange world
>>indeed.
>
>But perhaps it is not Gunner who is at fault.
>
>We all, as children enjoyed the stories of Peter Pan, the Boy Who
>Wouldn't Grow Up, along with Wendy Darling, The Lost Boys, and Tinker
>Bell the Fairy and their adventures in Never Land.
>
>It wasn't Gunner that changed; it was us.... We grew up.
>--

(VBG)

[Gunner Asch]

(VBG)

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 5 Apr 2016 17:35:37 -0700, nickname unavailable
<video61a...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> Actually it is, in this thread, and it's inconsequential as well.
>>
>> Actually...no...its not.
>
>Actually...it is.
>
>> You are such an ugly putz.
>
>Oh, sure:
>https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/Bypass#5297722097241260450
>
>As if you have any room to talk.

(VBG)

[sloop...@hotmail.com]

On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 13:51:57 -0700, wrote:

>On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 10:35:09 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>wrote:

>
>>On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 07:42:25 -0700, sloop...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>No, you don't "do" "engineering." You use the term because you think
>>>>>it makes more sense to exaggerate than to admit you're a part-time
>>>>>junk dealer. And you simply refuse to accept how easy it is for
>>>>>readers to see through the hyperbole.
>>

>>Oh...sorry...I didnt include the full definition.
>>http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/engineering
>>
>>engineering
>>play
>>noun en搽i搖eer搏ng \-?nir-i?\
>>Popularity: Top 40% of words
>>Simple Definition of engineering
>>
>> : the work of designing and creating large structures (such as
>>roads and bridges) or new products or systems by using scientific
>>methods

You don't design or create large structures. Yeah, you'll say you
built the Empire State building or something, but it will be BS like
everything else.

>>
>> : the control or direction of something (such as behavior)
>>
>>Examples: engineering in a sentence
>>Full Definition of engineering
>>
>> 1 : the activities or function of an engineer

Nope.

>> 2 a : the application of science and mathematics by which the
>>properties of matter and the sources of energy in nature are made
>>useful to people b : the design and manufacture of complex products
>><software engineering>

Hahahaha! You couldn't balance a checkbook. If you were faced with the
simplest of engineering tests, the type put forward at a job interview
for example, you'd choke instantly. Same with any electrical test.
It's not something you can "wing."

>> 3 : calculated manipulation or direction (as of behavior) <social
>>engineering>

Perhaps you could apply that to breeding dogs or a clan of leeches.

>>Now was there anything else

Yeah. Why do you even bother trying to convince anyone you're an
engineer? You're a stinky guy with a stinky old truck and some dogs.
There's no way to spin that into "engineering."

[sloop...@hotmail.com]

On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 10:27:15 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>

wrote:

>On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 07:42:25 -0700, sloop...@hotmail.com wrote:
>

>>On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 20:10:40 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:

>>>Actually..my vision showed me being killed by 2 black guys who
>>>hijacked my truck.
>>
>>I'm not surprised. You should probably keep the windows rolled up and
>>stay downwind of all pedestrians. And you should also have the Wieber
>>Cliff Notes printed on the side of the van so folks know it ain't
>>worth stealing.
>

>Ive had other similar visons over the years

The visions are almost certainly just another story, but if there's
anything to it then it was probably caused by breathing fungus. Clean
up your living spaces as if they were crime scenes, and see if
symptoms abate.

>The deputy told me in an aside that she was
>afraid of me..because I had an NRA sticker on my bumper. So Cal
>lesbian who was hired by the county. We laughed about it the next
>time I ran into him at the range.

Oh brother. Do you actually believe these stories somehow help you?

> Wanna buy a lot?

1. Wouldn't dream of buying anything in Taft.
2. You don't own any land to sell. Your mobile is encumbered by liens,
and the lot you're renting is covered in crap, and probably qualifies
as a Superfund site.

>, for $100k.

Bwahahahaha!

> NO Appraisal necessary!

That's right, because it's worthless. When you croak the owner of your
lot will probably abandon it rather than pay to clean it up. Your
legacy will be another loss to the taxpayers of your county.

>>>>> I do engineering

>>>>
>>>>No, you don't "do" "engineering." You use the term because you think
>>>>it makes more sense to exaggerate than to admit you're a part-time
>>>>junk dealer. And you simply refuse to accept how easy it is for
>>>>readers to see through the hyperbole.
>

>Actually..I do indeed do..engineering.
>http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/engineering

Nope.

>Ive hardly been "broke all my life".

There is no doubt you have been constantly unable to pay a few hundred
a year in property taxes. The bill goes to lien almost every year, for
decades. That spells broke. Unless you want to say you could have paid
and didn't, which spells leech.

>>>>> I have the name of the person who did just that.
>>>>
>>>>Then let's see it, as well as the name of the person in CA government
>>>>who clued you in to this mysterious plot. Will you be making up some
>>>>names, or writing some crazy excuses about why you're keeping the
>>>>names a secret?
>>
>>>It was "illegal" for her to tell me who the complaintant was.
>>

>>Yup, yet another story!
>
>But a true one. Shrug.

Nope. No names = just another BS story.

>>Time to sue and cull!
>
>Not yet. But maybe soon.

Nope, never. Same as it's always been. Empty threats from an impotent
gas bag.

>>>Ive had 11 job offers. None of which I choose to take.
>>
>>Feel free to post them. You can't, because they don't exist. But
>>there's going to be another story about why you can't reveal the
>>offers...
>
>$100 per citation.

<sigh>

Nope, no job offers, just another BS story.

>>> And of course..you know it. Ill never be able to
>>>retire.
>>
>>No kidding?
>
>Nope, no kidding. Course, I could simply go on welfare and live off
>the taxpayers.

You already skated on more in medical bills than you could have
received in welfare. You are one of the useless eaters you complain
about.

>If you meant more to me than casual banter on the net..Id put the
>effort into finding out who you were.

LOL Impotent fool.

>>>45 yrs you sick twit. (VBG)
>>
>>No, your original number was >900 miles per day, and you revised it
>>downward a couple times to about 300 per day, and it's still goofy
>>nonsense that nobody believes.
>
>Yawn...and whatcha gonna do about it?

I'm going to watch you continue trying to write yourself out of the
mess you wrote yourself into. And marvel at your absolute refusal to
learn.

>Everyone has an opinion about me? Really? Is it a good or a bad one?

You'd know if it was good because then you'd be able to get a job.

>And is "having an opinion about you" really important to me? Should
>it? Am I missing something here?

Yes, you're missing having a normal life.

>Im not here for people to like me.

Well, you're for sure trying awfully hard to accomplish something
here. Google your name to see how it's working out.

[sloop...@hotmail.com]

On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 09:34:45 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 05 Apr 2016 06:07:29 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
><lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>Ayup...It was 3 million, not 10
>>
>>Gunner
>>
>>---------------------------------------------
>>And I addressed that, also, Gunner. So let me change my wording a
>>little:
>>----
>>Probably. I think the 3MM miles in 30 years might be just a _little_
>>exaggerated, though.
>>
>>That would mean turning in about 304.2 miles every day, 365.25 days per
>>year, for 30 years continuously -- every freakin' day.
>>
>>That would be no break for military service. No break for Jr. College.
>>No break for time working at clients... just driving and gassing-up and
>>having an 'exchange vehicle' waiting exactly at the breakdown point
>>whenever one gave up the ghost.
>>
>>Tough on tires, and nerves, that.
>>
>>LLoyd

<snipping most of magnum opus of a guy who says he doesn't care what
people think of him!>

>It was not unusual for me to log up to 600 miles
>in a single day, though most averaged 275-370 per day.

Those numbers are still BS. Worse is that you started with an
impossible story and only worked your way down to a stupidly
implausible number when challenged. Considered in the context of all
the other stories like the 264 mph motorcycle, the ranch acreage,
etc., it's utterly pointless for you to keep pounding out the pity
party elaborations.

>.I never bullshit.

You're bullshitting now!

>Now Im too fucking old for a company to want to hire me.

No, I know several people in their 60s making good money. But they
have genuine skills and experience. They aren't paranoid, don't have
crackpot political views, and don't feel the need to be armed all the
time. In short, no drama. And, if you Google their names, you don't
find a horrific trail of BS they've written.

>Am I a
>millwright? Fuck no!, but I can wing it. Like I can do a LOT of other
>things.

"Winging it." THAT's what you should title your resume. It will work
just as well as what you have now.

> Now, I dont have a pot to piss in. Though to be fair..the wife is
>responsible for a lot of that.

No, that's not fair. But you'll never grok that.

>My property taxes arent much. Give her the money, expect her to pay
>the taxes, go back on the road. She would piss it away.

That's a passable excuse for ONE year, not decades.

> I was taking care of my
>son and his family

No, they are on SS handouts according to you. Yeah, you'll say you had
to buy them all cellphones, but it's BS. Most likely the reason they
moved out is that they were tired of you bumming their cigarettes and
eating their "hard earned" snack food.

>and had 4 unpaying roommates.

What, no partridge in a pear tree?

>The best I have to look forwards to is
>dying on a jobsite somewhere and letting the next of kin shovel
>through everything.

True, but only because you fully intend to keep making the same
mistakes.

> I wont be making the
>same mistakes the next turn on the cosmic wheel

LOL Never change now what you can change later, eh Wieber?

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Yep - we're grinning from ear to ear.

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ROFLMFAO