The fantastically brilliant YouYube privacy clones (youtube-dl & New Pipe) have been updated to 0.14.1

[Arlen H. Holder]

The fantastically brilliant free YouYube privacy clones (youtube-dl & New
Pipe) have been updated to 0.14.1 on September 8th, but it took a while for
the F-Droid and GitHub sites to catch up with the updated code:
<https://newpipe.schabi.org/blog/release/pinned/announcement/newpipe-0.14.1-released/>

For Windows, Linux, & Mac users, here's the updated youtube-dl app:
<https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl/>

This power is available on all platforms but iOS (as is always the case).

As most of you are aware, this is a fantastically brilliant perfectly legal
privacy on steroids version of the YouTube app (as always, it's not
available on iOS) for Android (New Pipe), with a related, somewhat less
functional app for Windows, Linux, and Mac (youtube-dl) which was updated
very recently due to unilateral changes on the YouTube web site.

This NewPipe App:
* views and watches video
* using the same type of interface as the youtube app
* but without every having to log in
* and without every being spied upon by Google
* and without ever seeing any ads whatsoever at any time

In addition, it:
* downloads videos without you ever needing to agree to Google TOS
* strips off the audio, if that's what you want
* subscribes, without ever logging in, if that's what you want
* uses any player you want (it has its own player also)

The version you need on Android is 0.14.1
https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.schabi.newpipe/

Do not use 0.14.0 as that was working fine, for two years, until YouTube
changed its web site recently.

You can also get the software on GitHub:

Note that the features list is longer than I noted, and, please comprehend
that all these features come without you ever needing to, or agreeing to
any TOS by Google, and without any spying by Google on your activities.

Unfortunately, as always, this power is not available on iOS, while it does
exist on all other common consumer platforms, the Android app is, by far,
the most powerful, flexible, and functional.

----------------- cut here for the official feature list ---------------
All these features come sans Google logins, spying, or agreeing to their
TOS:
* Search videos
* Display general information about a video
* Watch YouTube videos
* Listen to YouTube videos
* Popup mode (floating player)
* Select the streaming player to watch the video with
* Download videos
* Download audio only
* Open a video in Kodi
* Show Next/Related videos
* Search YouTube in a specific language
* Watch/Block age restricted material
* Display general information about channels
* Search channels
* Watch videos from a channel
* Orbot/Tor support (not yet directly)
* 1080p/2k/4k support
* View history
* Subscribe to channels
* Search history
* Search/Watch Playlists
* Watch as queues Playlists
* Queuing videos
* Local playlists
* Subtitles
* Multi-service support (eg. SoundCloud

[visiblink]

On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 23:56:02 -0000 (UTC)
"Arlen H. Holder" <arlen...@nospam.net> wrote:

> The fantastically brilliant free YouYube privacy clones (youtube-dl &
> New Pipe) have been updated to 0.14.1 on September 8th, but it took a
> while for the F-Droid and GitHub sites to catch up with the updated
> code:
> <https://newpipe.schabi.org/blog/release/pinned/announcement/newpipe-0.14.1-released/>

If you like NewPipe, you may also like SkyTube (also open source). The
advantage of SkyTube is that if you subscribe to various channels
(really, you're just kind of bookmarking them, because you're not
logged in), SkyTube creates a lengthy feed from all of your subscribed
channels with multiple videos from each channel. NewPipe only adds the
last video released on each subscribed channel to your feed. I like
having more to browse.

SkyTube website: http://skytube-app.com/
SkyTube at F-Droid: https://f-droid.org/en/packages/free.rm.skytube.oss/

You can download the app from either location.

[Arlen H. Holder]

On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 19:14:34 -0700, visiblink wrote:

> If you like NewPipe, you may also like SkyTube (also open source).

> SkyTube website: http://skytube-app.com/
> SkyTube at F-Droid: https://f-droid.org/en/packages/free.rm.skytube.oss/

Thank you for *improving* our combined tribal knowledge, which is what
Usenet is supposed to be about (which it would be if it weren't for the
incessant worthless trolls who never add any value).
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=5006767vid.jpg>

I've been heralding both youtube-dl on Linux/Windows/Mac and NewPipe on
Android for years (and even asking if anything on iOS even comes close),
where SkyTube has never come up even once on all those threads over the
past couple of years).
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=2314140clone.jpg>

From asking on the desktop-os groups, there's nothing that even comes close
to the functionality of New Pipe on the three common consumer desktops:
<http://tinyurl.com/alt-os-linux>
<http://tinyurl.com/comp-sys-mac-apps>
<http://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com>

Unfortunately, the fact is that there's no app funcdtionality on iOS (all
by itself) that isn't already long ago on Android, and yet, as in this case
yet again, there is so much app functionality on Android that is not on iOS
that it's kind of sad - so iOS is just out of the question when it comes to
such NewPipe/SkyPipe privacy-based ad-free youtube-viewing & downloading
functionality.
<http://tinyurl.com/comp-mobile-ipad>
<http://tinyurl.com/misc-phone-mobile-iphone>

What's _great_ about your suggestion is that, even after two years of
promoting these great tools, AFAICR, nobody brought up SkyPipe before,
which I've now installed (version 2.82) on a few Android devices to test
out, thanks to your recommendation.

While you seem to be aware of the *power* and *flexibility* and *inherent
privacy* of these apps, rest assured that most people seem to think in
terms of "browsers" and "adblockers", which, well, which is just insane by
way of comparison.

I see you've characterized "Sky Tube" as having a better (also
privacy-based) subscription model than does New Pipe, which, would be
useful to me because I subscribe to all the common Physics channels (e.g.,
those containing lectures by Richard Feynman, Leonard Susskind, Walter
Lewin, Ramamurti Shankar, etc.) which often occur in series.

I also frequently strip out the audio, since the audio is all you often
need in a lecture format video (depending on how deeply you want to ponder
the math).

Hence it's nice to have choices of no-advertisement privacy-based youtube
apps, where your suggestion of Sky Pipe is much appreciated.

Here is a composite screenshot of the GUI difference between the two.
<http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=9801813newpipevsskytube.jpg>

Since this thread contains the desktop folks, we should mention that if
they already have the youtube-dl code, then they should only need to run
the convenient "--update" switch, as shown below, to get the new code:
$ youtube-dl --update

In addition, if desktop users wish to strip out audio in MP3 format, only
recently has the patent expired in the USA (it expired earlier in Europe),
where you no longer have to obtain the MP3 encoders separately (AFAIK).

In summary, THANK YOU for improving our overall tribal knowledge by adding
technical value with every post ... which is how Usenet should be when good
people communicate like adults.

--
I'll test SkyPipe & post my observations separately on the Android ng.

[Arlen H. Holder]

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 03:19:27 -0000 (UTC), Arlen H. Holder wrote:

> Here is a composite screenshot of the GUI difference between the two.
> <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=9801813newpipevsskytube.jpg>

For "visiblink" (or anyone else who tested these two absolutely ground
breakingly fantastically powerful privacy enhancing apps recently)...

SkyTube website: http://skytube-app.com/
SkyTube at F-Droid: https://f-droid.org/en/packages/free.rm.skytube.oss/

NewPipe website: https://newpipe.schabi.org/
NewPipe at F-Droid: https://f-droid.org/packages/org.schabi.newpipe/

I tested both open source apps yesterday, where New Pipe worked perfectly
again (it was crashing for a while because YouTube unilaterally changed
their public API apparently).

But Sky Tube kept crashing.

Does Sky Tube work for you currently?
(Or do we need to wait for a fix?)

[visiblink]

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 11:49:19 -0000 (UTC)

"Arlen H. Holder" <arlen...@nospam.net> wrote:

> I tested both open source apps yesterday, where New Pipe worked
> perfectly again (it was crashing for a while because YouTube
> unilaterally changed their public API apparently).
>
> But Sky Tube kept crashing.
>
> Does Sky Tube work for you currently?
> (Or do we need to wait for a fix?)

SkyTube does work for me without crashing. I just watched a 14 minute
video without any trouble.

If it's of any help (since sometimes problems seem to be device or
version-specific), I'm on a Xiaomi Mi A1 running Android 8.1 (August
update).

[Arlen H. Holder]

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 19:48:55 -0700, visiblink wrote:

> SkyTube does work for me without crashing. I just watched a 14 minute
> video without any trouble.
>
> If it's of any help (since sometimes problems seem to be device or
> version-specific), I'm on a Xiaomi Mi A1 running Android 8.1 (August
> update).

Thanks for that confirmation and your depiction of hardware.
I'm on a $130 64GB LG Stylo 3 Plus, version 7.0, Nougat.
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/ls71mnkj4jk/n0FaH2e_DQAJ>

Sky Tube crashes every time for me with the error "Video Playback Error",
"An error has occurred while retrieving videos's streams" [sic]

It might be nice to see if others are having the same crashes I'm getting.

Luckily, New Pipe works fine every time, so I'm OK on Android.
Also, luckily, on Linux/Windows (and presumably Mac), youtube-dl works now.

I simply updated my youtube-dl by running this command:
$ youtube-dl --update

The nice thing about all of these is that they download anything you want,
where the youtube-dl code works on almost any web site that hosts videos,
and where the NewPipe/SkyPipe apps have _zero_ ads and _full_ privacy.

What could be better?

I just wish that iOS would have 1/10th the app functionality of Android,
but iOS fails in app functionality every time you try even something
simple, like privately watching & easily downloading YouTube & stripping
out the audio using a single app like NewPipe (or SkyTube).

--
HINT: Anyone using either the youtube site or their app, is likely ignorant
of what's really out there that works so much better it's not funny.

[Alan Baker]

<https://www.google.ca/search?q=document+readdle+youtube+videos&oq=document+readdle+youtube+videos&aqs=chrome..69i57j0j69i60l3j0.9468j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8>

[Arlen H. Holder]

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 21:13:24 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:

> <https://www.google.ca/search?q=document+readdle+youtube+videos&oq=document+readdle+youtube+videos&aqs=chrome..69i57j0j69i60l3j0.9468j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8>

Alan Baker, we know you well, from the Mac groups.
You're a child.

*You can't even _comprehend_ what it is you searched for.*

It's a fact you and Tim Streater are the two _dumbest_ Apple posters.
So, having you puke up a Google URL is, indeed, humorous, as it always is
whenever you two post your childish antics.

*You prove you have the mind of a child, Alan Baker, every time you post.*
You can't possibly even comprehend anything you're search unearthed.

I think that's kind of funny ... don't you Alan Baker?

The fact is twofold:
a. There is nothing by way of app functionality on iOS that isn't already
on Android (we've proven this many times), and, worse,

b. There is plenty of app functionality on Android that will never be on
iOS.

The reasons for this are quite logical, even though Apple Apologists like
you, Alan Baker, and Tim Streater, will never comprehend adult logic.

1. Apple hardware is about the same as Android hardware, so it's not the
hardware that severely limits what iOS mobile devices can do.
2. Apple themselves, severely restricts what apps can do, while Google does
not restrict what Android devices can do.

Hence, it's only natural and perfectly logical that
a. Android does everything in terms of app functionality, that iOS can,
and,
b. Android does far more in terms of app functionality than iOS can ever
hope to do.

For example, iOS can't even display graphical wifi signal strength over
time for all nearby access points for heaven's sake, nor can iOS load IPA
installers from any site, nor can iOS save all IPA files to the local
device for use on other devices like Android does with APKs, nor can iOS
change its launcher, nor can you even organize your iOS desktop the way you
want it organized, nor can iOS torrent or automatically record phone calls,
nor can iOS even list the apps installed for heaven's sake, into an
editable file without having to put that information on a desktop in order
to do something that simple for heaven's sake.

The only ones who don't realize iOS is brain dead, are the iOS users
themselves, which, you have to admit, is kind of humorous.

[Arlen H. Holder]

On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 06:02:07 -0000 (UTC), Arlen H. Holder wrote:

> You can't possibly even comprehend anything you're search unearthed.

Before the child-like Apple Apologist Alan Baker has a field day on my
typo, I admit the faux pas, above, and retype it below, sans error...

*You can't possibly even comprehend anything your search unearthed.*

[Alan Baker]

On 2018-09-26 11:02 PM, Arlen H. Holder wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 21:13:24 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> <https://www.google.ca/search?q=document+readdle+youtube+videos&oq=document+readdle+youtube+videos&aqs=chrome..69i57j0j69i60l3j0.9468j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8>
>
> Alan Baker, we know you well, from the Mac groups.
> You're a child.

Really?

I note that not a single thing you write below addresses the fact that
the thing you said was impossible (that you have now snippped;
shocker!): that iOS can't capture YouTube video...

...isn't exactly as impossible as you said.

I note that you try to change the subject multiple times...

...but you can't address the subject you started.

(Yes: I'm leaving everything you added to show that what I say is true.
You—of course—will now snip it all)

[Diesel]

"Arlen H. Holder" <arlen...@nospam.net>
news:poehuh$3uj$1...@news.mixmin.net Tue, 25 Sep 2018 23:56:02 GMT in

alt.comp.freeware, wrote:

> The fantastically brilliant free YouYube privacy clones
> (youtube-dl & New Pipe) have been updated to 0.14.1 on September
> 8th, but it took a while for the F-Droid and GitHub sites to catch
> up with the updated code:
> <https://newpipe.schabi.org/blog/release/pinned/announcement/newpip
> e-0.14.1-released/>

What do you mean by privacy clones exactly? Youtube-dl has nothing to
do with protecting your privacy. It was created for the purpose of
acquiring local copies of videos for various reasons. I've used a
Windows port of it for years to keep this particular machine chugging
along for me. It's been unable to stream youtube videos for several
years now. That being said, I can use youtube-dl and download the
very same video it can't stream and watch it commercial free, at my
leisure without so much as a single frame drop.

> For Windows, Linux, & Mac users, here's the updated youtube-dl
> app: <https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl/>

I'm on a mailing list, so...I already knew about the updated
versions. As you can see below though, I've yet to update. I don't
presently need to do so.

> As most of you are aware, this is a fantastically brilliant
> perfectly legal privacy on steroids version of the YouTube app (as
> always, it's not available on iOS) for Android (New Pipe), with a
> related, somewhat less functional app for Windows, Linux, and Mac
> (youtube-dl) which was updated very recently due to unilateral
> changes on the YouTube web site.

I don't know what you mean by perfectly legal? If you think it's
perfectly legal for you to use the program and download any/all
videos you like, you'd be wrong. In some cases, you're actually
committing copyright infringement when using the application.

> Note that the features list is longer than I noted, and, please
> comprehend that all these features come without you ever needing
> to, or agreeing to any TOS by Google, and without any spying by
> Google on your activities.

Partially right. Google knows the IP address and the video you
pulled. And yes, they can tell if a browser pulled the video, or you
used a program to download it instead. They may not have your actual
IP address due to proxy/vpn/etc usage on your part, but to say they
know *nothing* isn't accurate.

> * Download videos
> * Download audio only

Why not just download the entire thing in your container of choice
with resolution you prefer, if it's available and extract the audio
track(s) yourself to save in whatever container and codec you want?



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"Arlen H. Holder" <arlen...@nospam.net>
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Remember when I told you about Android not being universal? :)

Now, you've had a taste of it. Out of the box install, you can't use
the app where as another Android user can. You may be able to get the
app running on YOUR particular Android device with a little tweaking;
But if/when you're able to do so, the tweaks you'll use are NOT
universal and may/may not work for someone else having the same
'crash' (well, as far as you're concerned it is) that's running
Android but a different version and/or hardware.

> Does Sky Tube work for you currently?

Obviously it is.

Message-ID: <20180925191...@darkstar.WORKGROUP>

If you like NewPipe, you may also like SkyTube (also open source).

The advantage of SkyTube is that if you subscribe to various
channels (really, you're just kind of bookmarking them, because
you're not logged in), SkyTube creates a lengthy feed from all of
your subscribed channels with multiple videos from each channel.
NewPipe only adds the last video released on each subscribed channel
to your feed. I like having more to browse.

*** end snippit

That reads to me as a personal opinion of the features the software
has based on 1st hand experience with it. IE: it's working/has
worked for them.

Since they recommended it with that post in particular and didn't
mention stability issues when using it, An educated guess (reasonable
deduction in all actuality) is that they are, presently, using the
software and it's working well for them. Which again, is why they
suggested it as an alternative.

> (Or do we need to wait for a fix?)

Who's 'we' specifically? The only person to indicate on this thread
of it's inability to function has been yourself. So, unless my math
is off, so far, it's just you who can't get it up and running without
doing additional work. *IF* you can resolve the issue it's having.

Do you still think Android is universal? Sorry, couldn't resist the
shot.

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"Arlen H. Holder" <arlen...@nospam.net>
news:pohk1k$o5n$1...@news.mixmin.net Thu, 27 Sep 2018 03:50:13 GMT in

alt.comp.freeware, wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 19:48:55 -0700, visiblink wrote:
>
>> SkyTube does work for me without crashing. I just watched a 14
>> minute video without any trouble.
>>
>> If it's of any help (since sometimes problems seem to be device
>> or version-specific), I'm on a Xiaomi Mi A1 running Android 8.1
>> (August update).
>
> Thanks for that confirmation and your depiction of hardware.
> I'm on a $130 64GB LG Stylo 3 Plus, version 7.0, Nougat.
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/ls71mnkj4jk/n
> 0FaH2e_DQAJ>
>
> Sky Tube crashes every time for me with the error "Video Playback
> Error", "An error has occurred while retrieving videos's streams"
> [sic]

NO crash here. on An LG LGL52V (nothing special) Android 5.1.1,
Kernel 3.10.49

No crash on Samsung device (I can't be arsed to get the make/model
rofl), running Andriod 6.0.1.

Crash on generic Android tablet, same reported error as what you
indicated, but digging a little deeper (thats where being a
technician (certified no less) with over 20 years in the field comes
in handy) isn't really the problem. Atleast, not on that device.
Fifteen minutes later, with a little bit of file editing, It's
working.

I'll remind you that you called me a moron, and, if I'm not mistaken
a troll in another thread recently, so, put your tribal knowledge to
work and get it running on your Android device, yourself. Since mine
is working now, despite originally showing me the same error message
you reported, I know something you don't know. [g]

I'll help you a little bit though, to show there's no real hard
feelings here. The error message you're getting is very misleading. I
personally am inclined to blame google for that one.

Also, before you get too involved in fixing it, I'm going to tell
you, the fix I applied is most likely NOT universal. I believe the
fix is going to be a system specific one, and not possible to perform
on all devices. I'll know more in a couple of days. I've got two more
Android devices that are crashing out with it, different
manufacturers, but one is sharing the same 'version' as one of my
devices which runs it without problem.

We'll see if the fix works for the other two - I doubt it'll be
identical, but I suspect the principle behind what I did is going to
be the same.

> It might be nice to see if others are having the same crashes I'm
> getting.

Yes, depending on the Android device in question. I've no doubt. I
was able to duplicate your crash issue with three devices here.

> Luckily, New Pipe works fine every time, so I'm OK on Android.
> Also, luckily, on Linux/Windows (and presumably Mac), youtube-dl
> works now.

Alas, you're mistaken again. NewPipe works every time, FOR YOU. I
have ONE Android device that is not playing nicely with it. Infact,
It crashes with the same error you previously mentioned, BUT, runs
youtube-dl fine.

> I simply updated my youtube-dl by running this command:
> $ youtube-dl --update

I haven't bothered to do so yet. As you can see from the copy/paste
of one of my linux box consoles, updating isn't necessary. The
version I'm running still does its thing, just fine.

gremlin@Trex:~/Ytubevideos > youtube-dl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y1e_ASbSIE
[youtube] 1y1e_ASbSIE: Downloading webpage
[youtube] 1y1e_ASbSIE: Downloading video info webpage
[youtube] 1y1e_ASbSIE: Extracting video information
WARNING: Your copy of avconv is outdated and unable to properly mux
separate video and audio files, youtube-dl will download single file
media. Update avconv to version 10-0 or newer to fix this.
[download] Destination: The United States (USA) vs The World - Who
Would Win Military _ Army Comparison-1y1e_ASbSIE.mp4
[download] 100% of 72.55MiB in 00:07
gremlin@Trex:~/Ytubevideos > youtube-dl -v
[debug] System config: []
[debug] User config: []
[debug] Custom config: []
[debug] Command-line args: [u'-v']
[debug] Encodings: locale UTF-8, fs UTF-8, out UTF-8, pref UTF-8
[debug] youtube-dl version 2018.05.09
[debug] Python version 2.7.6 (CPython) - Linux-3.19.0-32-generic-x86_
64-with-LinuxMint-17.3-rosa
[debug] exe versions: avconv 9.20-6, avprobe 9.20-6
[debug] Proxy map: {}
Usage: youtube-dl [OPTIONS] URL [URL...]

youtube-dl: error: You must provide at least one URL.
Type youtube-dl --help to see a list of all options.
gremlin@Trex:~/Ytubevideos >

I make sure i'm in the appropriate location before I initiate the
command via terminal.

> The nice thing about all of these is that they download anything
> you want, where the youtube-dl code works on almost any web site
> that hosts videos, and where the NewPipe/SkyPipe apps have _zero_
> ads and _full_ privacy.

I haven't run into any problems using youtube-dl. When/if I do, I'll
checkout other options. I have no ad issues using youtube-dl and it
'protects' my privacy as well as the other options you've listed.

> I just wish that iOS would have 1/10th the app functionality of
> Android, but iOS fails in app functionality every time you try
> even something simple, like privately watching & easily
> downloading YouTube & stripping out the audio using a single app
> like NewPipe (or SkyTube).

I'm not an Apple person, but, I strongly suspect many well versed
Apple people would not only strong disagree with you, but list
various Apple friendly alternatives.

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27rPW53o1u>, Diesel <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

> > I just wish that iOS would have 1/10th the app functionality of
> > Android, but iOS fails in app functionality every time you try
> > even something simple, like privately watching & easily
> > downloading YouTube & stripping out the audio using a single app
> > like NewPipe (or SkyTube).
>
> I'm not an Apple person, but, I strongly suspect many well versed
> Apple people would not only strong disagree with you, but list
> various Apple friendly alternatives.

they have. he refuses to acknowledge their existence.

[Arlen H. Holder]

On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 07:46:23 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:

> Remember when I told you about Android not being universal? :)

Jesus Christ, Diesel,
Act like an adult for once, as this "I told you so" crap is childish.

> Now, you've had a taste of it.

For Christs' sake, Diesel ...
Do you really think your platitude adds _any_ value whatsoever?

> Out of the box install, you can't use
> the app where as another Android user can.

For heaven's sake, why do you insist on proving you can't add value?

> You may be able to get the
> app running on YOUR particular Android device with a little tweaking;

If you really were as intelligent as you _think_ you are, Diesel,
you'd test the tweaks and then post those tweaks, which is what I do all
the time (by way of adult example).

For example:
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/-MvKdMBMCpk>
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/IxxbzKj-no0>
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/YChNXksRNHw>
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/IUNBsY5F_Ho>
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/f7AZHmGIQxA>

HINT: I have thousands upon thousands of these threads, each one of which
*adds value* to our combined tribal knowledge.

Question for Diesel:
Q: Please post just five URLs of where you, Diesel, actually add value.
Just five.

Heck.... post just one.
etc.

> But if/when you're able to do so, the tweaks you'll use are NOT
> universal and may/may not work for someone else having the same
> 'crash' (well, as far as you're concerned it is) that's running
> Android but a different version and/or hardware.

Jesus Christ Diesel.

I realize you have zero formal education, and that you don't have much
intelligence, but why you _insist_ on /proving that/ with every post is
just beyond my comprehension.

*I don't have the social skills necessary to deal with morons like you.*

HINT: If you can't add any on-topic technical value, just crying like a
baby isn't helping anyone, and neither is my response asking you to stop.

--
If you don't have the intelligence to add on-topic technical value, then
please stop proving that is a fact with every single one of your posts.

[Arlen H. Holder]

On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 07:46:23 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:

> I'm not an Apple person, but, I strongly suspect many well versed
> Apple people would not only strong disagree with you, but list
> various Apple friendly alternatives.

We have run _many_ tests over the decades, where the procedure is simple.

1. We post a technical question as user "x" to the adult newsgroups.
2. We post the same question as user "y" to the Apple newsgroups.

Almost always, if not always, the Apple users prove to be children.
Why?

I don't know why.
It's reproducible though, as it happens every time.
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/18ARDsEOPzM/veU8FwAjBQAJ>

All I know is that the Apple user proves, time and again,
a. Their belief system is not based on factual evidence, and,
b. They make decisions based on innnate inbred inordinate fear, and,
c. Their defense to facts is brazen fabrications of imaginary functionality

The proof abounds, not by what I write, but by what _they_ prove themselves
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.mac.apps/zfjC3V9QdiQ>
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/K_yBNZiPFYo/yekUPvIXAwAJ>
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/b0DrfrsRh24/ODQneWFEBAAJ>
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/GExRc1qrFGo/JBzdCKSSAwAJ>
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/ey9kv6ysVgA/jTmpI1ceEQAJ>
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/eRTC23FyVDY/fDk0k8KAAwAJ>
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/zL1t_XPv1ZQ/ks57bICuCAAJ>
etc.

I only speak facts, which is why Apple Apologists hate me (they hate facts)

[Arlen H. Holder]

On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 03:58:05 -0400, nospam wrote:

> they have. he refuses to acknowledge their existence.

This isn't my first rodeo with the Apple Apologists like you, nospam.
I've studied you Apple Apologists for decades, so I know you well.
What are the common well-verified psychological traits of the Apple Apologists on this newsgroup?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/18ARDsEOPzM/veU8FwAjBQAJ>

You, nospam, are the canonical epitome of the Apple Apologist.
You just guess.
And, since you justg guess, you're almost always wrong.

Like you were just now.
The fact is that I've _always_ said there are a couple of intelligent
non-child-like Apple posters, e.g., David Empson _always_ is tops on that
list.

I've also not called 'sms' an Apple Apologist, since he is clearly well
educated where most of the time, what he writes makes sense.

And just last week, I not only said David Empson is the smartest guy on the
Apple newsgroups, but also Wolffan wrote a surprisingly astute analysis of
the cross-platform situation, where I commended him for acting like an
adult.

Most of the Apple Apologists, such as you, nospam, Jolly Roger, Lewis,
BK@OnRamp, Alan Baker, Tim Streater, Chris, and that whiny crybaby "joe",
can only cry like babies when you need to deal with the real world.

Why?
I don't know why.

One thing you prove, time and again, is that you live in a world of almost
incomprehensibly paralyzing inordinate abject *fear*.

In fact, every time Android shows it can do things that iOS can't do, you
complain that it's scary what Android can do - where you feel much safer on
the admittedly Orwellian restricted iOS platform.

The Mac users are similar, albeit not as paralyzingly afraid as the iOS
users appear to be, but, as "joe" proved just last week, the moment the Mac
users encounter even the slightest bit of complication, just like the iOS
users, they "just give up".

HINT: "joe" cried like a baby about the need for a trivial command like:
$ sudo apt-get install x

While the Mac users cry like babies the split second they have to stray
from what Apple Marketing gave them (they're on Macs for a reason), the iOS
users are, for the most part, simply ignorant that iOS can't do what
Android can easily do.

You always say otherwise - but - get this - you can never prove a single
statement you make.

You just make it up.

You, nospam, have a long sordid history of just making it all up.
Your guesses, historically, are worse than that of the monkey.

Since you "just guess" all the time, the adult newsgroups always hand you
your head, e.g., the linux newsgroups.
Why Apple Apologists can only survive on Apple-only newsgroups!
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/ey9kv6ysVgA/jTmpI1ceEQAJ>

[Arlen H. Holder]

On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 07:46:22 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:

> What do you mean by privacy clones exactly?

I know New Pipe the best, so I'll speak for New Pipe.
It's _designed_ to protect your privacy.
SO that means whatever it means to those developers.
Which even you Diesel, can't be clueless about (can you?).

For example, you don't need to log in to subscribe.
And Google never knows who you are when you watch videos.

There's more, but that's just a start.
HINT: Please tell me you know this, Diesel, because if you don't know even
this, most basic of facts, then I'm truly dealing with a moron.

> Youtube-dl has nothing to
> do with protecting your privacy.

I use youtube-dl on VPN where there is no "browser fingerprinting" or
"trackers" that Google can employ, where, I'm sure, unless you truly are a
moron, Diesel, you must know that there are _plenty_ of ways for Google to
track a browser session, particularly when the users aren't necessarily
aware of trackers and the plethora of "fingerprinting" possible with most
browsers.

HINT: Visit panopticlick and look up ad trackers for Christs' sake.

> It was created for the purpose of
> acquiring local copies of videos for various reasons.

If you haven't figure it out yet, Diesel, the key privacy-related component
of the youtube-dl approach is that it eliminates the "web browser".

> I don't know what you mean by perfectly legal? If you think it's
> perfectly legal for you to use the program and download any/all
> videos you like, you'd be wrong. In some cases, you're actually
> committing copyright infringement when using the application.

We've had this discussion umpteen times, where, whenever the Apple
Apologists like nospam run into functionality that is on Android, for
example, that isn't on iOS, he pulls that idiotically childish trick (e.g.,
torrenting, phone recording, an officially sanctioned TOR browser, etc.).

Suffice to say that Google *knows* all about New Pipe, so you can rest
assured that Google has the source code to New Pipe so it knows _exactly_
what New Pipe does, where New Pipe has been around for *years*.

If Google wanted to have an injunction against distribution of the New Pipe
source code and compiled binaries, they have the money and power to do
that.

What they don't have is the legal means to do that.
Either that, or they don't care.

Any adult would reasonably conclude this since New Pipe is operating out in
the open very clearly.

So please, Diesel, act like an adult.

Here is an adult question for you, Diesel:
Q: If New Pipe was breaking any law, don't you think Google would have a
court case?

Where is that court case?

HINT: An injunction would be trivial for Google to get if it had any basis
in law for one, and there clearly is no injunction against New Pipe code
distribution.

Please Diesel - don't act like a child.

If you have something of value to say about the legality of New Pipe (or
youtube-dl code) please use your adult comprehensive skills to say it.

> Partially right. Google knows the IP address and the video you
> pulled.

Um, anyone who is not on VPN 100% of the time, doesn't know much about
privacy.

HINT: I have never once posted to Usenet from my own IP address.

> And yes, they can tell if a browser pulled the video, or you
> used a program to download it instead.

Duh.

The whole point is to _not_ use a browser, Diesel.
Why is that so hard for you to fathom?

> They may not have your actual
> IP address due to proxy/vpn/etc usage on your part, but to say they
> know *nothing* isn't accurate.

Oh, finally you say something that an adult would say.
Thank God.

HINT: If you're doing _anything_ on the net, it's prudent to use a proxy or
VPN.

For example:
Pragmatic experience with Freegate, Ultrasurf, and Polarity privacy-related web-surfing tools
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/oHuik0iDqcA/7GJlVUiyCgAJ>

[Arlen H. Holder]

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 23:46:37 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:

> I note that not a single thing you write below addresses the fact that
> the thing you said was impossible (that you have now snippped;
> shocker!): that iOS can't capture YouTube video...

Alan Baker,

This isn't my first rodeo with you fact-free Apple Apologists.
You've proven, time and again, facts have no place in your belief system.

In addition, you are well known as a canonical Apple Apologist on Mac ngs.
Hence, I will be brief with you since you prove to own the mind of a child.

The one thing you child-like Apple Apologists hate, Alan Baker, are facts.
You have no defense against actual facts.

Hence, I supply valid verifiable facts for your childish mind to ponder.

What free iOS app downloads video & rips audio from YouTube?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/Sa27Y5JRvLE/jBAAk-7mCAAJ>

Why doesn't iOS have a single free app that completely replaces the YouTube app entirely (with far more powerful functionality)?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/GSy2yOsVg68/0oeJY1GXAwAJ>

Nospam posted just now that New Pipe YouTube "red" functionality exists on iOS
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/DkZPV7thX8k/ULqj14ruAAAJ>

[Alan Baker]

On 2018-09-27 9:18 AM, Arlen H. Holder wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 23:46:37 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
>> I note that not a single thing you write below addresses the fact that
>> the thing you said was impossible (that you have now snippped;
>> shocker!): that iOS can't capture YouTube video...
>
> Alan Baker,
>
> This isn't my first rodeo with you fact-free Apple Apologists.
> You've proven, time and again, facts have no place in your belief system.

I provided facts...

..twice.

You chose to snip them.

[Diesel]

"Arlen H. Holder" <arlen...@no.spam.net>
news:poitr6$m8t$1...@news.mixmin.net Thu, 27 Sep 2018 15:43:35 GMT in

alt.comp.freeware, wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 07:46:22 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:
>
>> What do you mean by privacy clones exactly?
>
> I know New Pipe the best, so I'll speak for New Pipe.
> It's _designed_ to protect your privacy.
> SO that means whatever it means to those developers.

I didn't ask what it meant to the developers. I asked what you meant
by the comment...

> For example, you don't need to log in to subscribe.
> And Google never knows who you are when you watch videos.

And this is specific to NewPipe, Youtube-dl, etc, how?

> There's more, but that's just a start.
> HINT: Please tell me you know this, Diesel, because if you don't
> know even this, most basic of facts, then I'm truly dealing with a
> moron.

There's really no reason for the consistent and petty name calling...
Besides, I can easily find urls describing things I've done and
written which clearly show I'm not a moron...I think I'll wait awhile
longer though before I opt for that.

>> Youtube-dl has nothing to
>> do with protecting your privacy.
>
> I use youtube-dl on VPN where there is no "browser fingerprinting"
> or "trackers" that Google can employ, where, I'm sure, unless you
> truly are a moron, Diesel, you must know that there are _plenty_
> of ways for Google to track a browser session, particularly when
> the users aren't necessarily aware of trackers and the plethora of
> "fingerprinting" possible with most browsers.

Again with the moron comment..youtube-dl isn't doing the work of
protecting your privacy, the VPN you're making use of is doing
that...

> HINT: Visit panopticlick and look up ad trackers for Christs'
> sake.

I'm good thanks. I'm well versed on malware and various methods of
tracking...

>> It was created for the purpose of
>> acquiring local copies of videos for various reasons.
>
> If you haven't figure it out yet, Diesel, the key privacy-related
> component of the youtube-dl approach is that it eliminates the
> "web browser".

That's a claim you're making. I'm asking you why you're making the
claim is all.

>> I don't know what you mean by perfectly legal? If you think it's
>> perfectly legal for you to use the program and download any/all
>> videos you like, you'd be wrong. In some cases, you're actually
>> committing copyright infringement when using the application.
>
> We've had this discussion umpteen times, where, whenever the Apple
> Apologists like nospam run into functionality that is on Android,
> for example, that isn't on iOS, he pulls that idiotically childish
> trick (e.g., torrenting, phone recording, an officially sanctioned
> TOR browser, etc.).

You might want to re-read what I wrote...

> Suffice to say that Google *knows* all about New Pipe, so you can
> rest assured that Google has the source code to New Pipe so it
> knows _exactly_ what New Pipe does, where New Pipe has been around
> for *years*.
>
> If Google wanted to have an injunction against distribution of the
> New Pipe source code and compiled binaries, they have the money
> and power to do that.
>
> What they don't have is the legal means to do that.
> Either that, or they don't care.
>
> Any adult would reasonably conclude this since New Pipe is
> operating out in the open very clearly.
>
> So please, Diesel, act like an adult.

Any adult with reasonable thinking capacity would quickly realize
that I was writing about what YOU do with the program that makes it
legal or not legal, not the act of downloading itself. In other
words, if you use it to download a movie that's been uploaded to
youtube against copyright owners consent, you're pirating it which
is, illegal.

> Here is an adult question for you, Diesel:
> Q: If New Pipe was breaking any law, don't you think Google would
> have a court case?

Why would New Pipe itself be breaking any laws? It's effectively
Blind to whatever you're asking it to download and store a local copy
of. If you think that because it's on youtube that you have the right
to download and do whatever you like with the video, you'd be
mistaken.

> Where is that court case?

See above. read slower if you need to do so. I wrote nothing
concerning newpipe legality from google perspective. I was writing
specifically about what file(s) you elect to download with it.

> Please Diesel - don't act like a child.

Please, Arlen, demonstrate some adult maturity with your replies...

> If you have something of value to say about the legality of New
> Pipe (or youtube-dl code) please use your adult comprehensive
> skills to say it.

See above.

>> Partially right. Google knows the IP address and the video you
>> pulled.
>
> Um, anyone who is not on VPN 100% of the time, doesn't know much
> about privacy.

That would be a large amount of people, Arlen...

> HINT: If you're doing _anything_ on the net, it's prudent to use a
> proxy or VPN.

That depends on what you're doing....I've been around long before
people confused the web with being the net, so...

--
To prevent yourself from being a victim of cyber
stalking, it's highly recommended you visit here:
https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php
===================================================

The universe is laughing behind your back.

[Diesel]

"Arlen H. Holder" <arlen...@nospam.net>
news:poiqlv$hrh$1...@news.mixmin.net Thu, 27 Sep 2018 14:49:36 GMT in

alt.comp.freeware, wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 07:46:23 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:
>
>> Remember when I told you about Android not being universal? :)
>
> Jesus Christ, Diesel,
> Act like an adult for once, as this "I told you so" crap is
> childish.

LOL. I don't know many adults who refer to others as morons,
etc...Atleast not emotionally mature ones...

> If you really were as intelligent as you _think_ you are, Diesel,
> you'd test the tweaks and then post those tweaks, which is what I
> do all the time (by way of adult example).

I have tested the tweak, on the machine I got the app running on. I
haven't had time to test it on the other devices which aren't
working...

> HINT: I have thousands upon thousands of these threads, each one
> of which *adds value* to our combined tribal knowledge.

If you say so.

> Question for Diesel:
> Q: Please post just five URLs of where you, Diesel, actually add
> value. Just five.

Wouldn't MIDs be more appropriate to ask me for?

> Heck.... post just one.
> etc.

Okay...

http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=153807697000

> I realize you have zero formal education, and that you don't have
> much intelligence, but why you _insist_ on /proving that/ with
> every post is just beyond my comprehension.

https://www.completelyfreesoftware.com/reviews/du_w31_BUGHUN.html
I've done alot more than that, but, I thought it was a nice counter
to your silly statements above. I especially like, the "A must have
for all PC users".

> *I don't have the social skills necessary to deal with morons like
> you.*

Morons like me? :) The url above describes one of many technical
programs I've written... You do have a problem with your social
skills.. but, it's more to do with your own arrogance than anything
else...

--
To prevent yourself from being a victim of cyber
stalking, it's highly recommended you visit here:
https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php
===================================================

Out of Memory!? But I fed you 6 Megs this morning!

[Arlen H Holder]

On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:05:54 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:

> I didn't ask what it meant to the developers. I asked what you meant
> by the comment...

And I gave you the answer. In spades.
Even you should be able to comprehend the answer I provided.

> And this is specific to NewPipe, Youtube-dl, etc, how?

For you to ask that question merely indicates either
a. You're just playing silly games, or,
b. You really did not comprehend the answer I provided already.

Since nobody is _that_ stupid, I assume you're just playing games.

> There's really no reason for the consistent and petty name calling...

This isn't my first rodeo with cowardly bullies like you Diesel.

If you act like an adult, Diesel, I treat you as an adult.
When you act like a child, Diesel, I treat you as a child.

There's a reason I do that.
It's to funnel you into acting like an adult.

You may never comprehend that tactic - but that's what it is.

When I last mentioned that to Rudy Wieser, Rene Lamantagne, Char Jackson,
and Wolf K., they took knowledge of my strategy and tactics upon themselves
as a challenge to *prove* they had the God-given right to troll.

It's as if I had drawn a "line of death" and they were determined to cross
it.

They proved long ago they have no remaining decency.
I assume you still have a shred of decency left.

The method of treating you as a mirror of your own posts only works on
people who still have a shred of decency left.

> Besides, I can easily find urls describing things I've done and
> written which clearly show I'm not a moron...I think I'll wait awhile
> longer though before I opt for that.

hehhehheh ... you prove what you are in every post.
All I need to do is point out what you write.

The fact is, you added _zero_ value to our overall technical knowledge.
All you did was waste everyone's time.

And I'm wasting everyone's time simply pointing that out to you.
My hope is that you'll regain any shred of moral decency you ever had.

And that you'll stop trolling - and you'll actually try to add a modicum of
value in your next post.

We'll see.

> Again with the moron comment..youtube-dl isn't doing the work of
> protecting your privacy, the VPN you're making use of is doing
> that...

Why you fail to comprehend there is no browser involved is strange.
What part of "no web browser" do you fail to comprehend?

HINT: Google is good at scraping information from browser sessions.

> I'm good thanks. I'm well versed on malware and various methods of
> tracking...

Then why do you repeatedly prove that you're not?
HINT: New Pipe was designed for privacy, among other things.

[Arlen H Holder]

On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:05:55 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:

> LOL. I don't know many adults who refer to others as morons,
> etc...Atleast not emotionally mature ones...

Let's talk facts, Diesel:
a. I mirror the intent of the post in threads I care about
b. Those threads are almost always threads that I author

If you don't post moronic crap in those threads, you'll never hear a peep
from me.

That's a fact.

>> If you really were as intelligent as you _think_ you are, Diesel,
>> you'd test the tweaks and then post those tweaks, which is what I
>> do all the time (by way of adult example).
>
> I have tested the tweak, on the machine I got the app running on. I
> haven't had time to test it on the other devices which aren't
> working...

You're exactly like nospam, Diesel, where you fabricate wholly imaginary
functionality which never seems to exist when someone asks you for the
proof of your wild claims.

HINT: You claimed the method was "obvious", and yet, you didn't know the
first thing about the method.

Since your claims bears no fruit, I call you on your willful brazen
fabrications of imaginary functionality that you 'claim' to have.

*Where have you added _any_ on topic technical value to this thread?*

[Chris]

Arlen H. Holder <arlen...@no.spam.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 07:46:22 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:

I see your script has broken again. You're posting to a thread you created
with a different email. If you're going to nymshift at least get it right.
FFS!

>> I don't know what you mean by perfectly legal? If you think it's
>> perfectly legal for you to use the program and download any/all
>> videos you like, you'd be wrong. In some cases, you're actually
>> committing copyright infringement when using the application.
>
> We've had this discussion umpteen times, where, whenever the Apple
> Apologists like nospam run into functionality that is on Android, for
> example, that isn't on iOS, he pulls that idiotically childish trick (e.g.,
> torrenting, phone recording, an officially sanctioned TOR browser, etc.).

You're getting pathological with hatred of iOS - Diesel didn't ever mention
it.

> Suffice to say that Google *knows* all about New Pipe, so you can rest
> assured that Google has the source code to New Pipe so it knows _exactly_
> what New Pipe does, where New Pipe has been around for *years*.

It's immaterial to the discussion, but i doubt that google has the source
code for every app on android.

> If Google wanted to have an injunction against distribution of the New Pipe
> source code and compiled binaries, they have the money and power to do
> that.
>
> What they don't have is the legal means to do that.
> Either that, or they don't care.
>
> Any adult would reasonably conclude this since New Pipe is operating out in
> the open very clearly.
>
> So please, Diesel, act like an adult.
>
> Here is an adult question for you, Diesel:
> Q: If New Pipe was breaking any law, don't you think Google would have a
> court case?

The code or app in itself is not illegal, but it allows you to commit
copyright theft if you use it on copyrighted materials. That's neither
google's nor new pipe's responsibility, it's yours.

So regardless of google's interests and your iOS invective if you download
copyrighted material from YouTube circumventing their restrictions, then
you're more than likely infringing copyright.

> Where is that court case?
>
> HINT: An injunction would be trivial for Google to get if it had any basis
> in law for one, and there clearly is no injunction against New Pipe code
> distribution.

Because it's not illegal. In the same way that guns aren't illegal in many
places , but using one to shoot a person is (unless there mitigating
circumstances).

> Please Diesel - don't act like a child.

Pot meet kettle.

[Arlen H Holder]

On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:40:32 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:

> It's immaterial to the discussion, but i doubt that google has the source
> code for every app on android.

The point simply is that if NewPipe, which is open source code that has
been available for years, was doing something illegal, then Google would
have a case against them since clearly New Pipe does many things that the
YouTube app can't do (and which, for some features, Google attempts to
extract money from YouTube Red subscribers for).

I'm not a lawyer and I never said I was one, but I can look at obvious
logical facts, and make an adult assessment, which is that Google (IMHO) is
most certainly extremely well aware of New Pipe functionality and source
code particulars.

You may wish to assume Google is ignorant of New Pipe functionality, but I
don't assume that Google is that ignorant of an app that directly competes
with both their freeware app and their payware app.

IMHO, it's just not logical to think Google is _that_ ignorant
(particularly in light of the fact they yanked the multiple New Pipe clones
off of Google Play about, oh, about half a year or so ago, as I recall).

[Chris]

Arlen H Holder <arlen...@no.spam.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:40:32 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
>
>> It's immaterial to the discussion, but i doubt that google has the source
>> code for every app on android.
>
> The point simply is that if NewPipe, which is open source code that has
> been available for years, was doing something illegal, then Google would
> have a case against them since clearly New Pipe does many things that the
> YouTube app can't do (and which, for some features, Google attempts to
> extract money from YouTube Red subscribers for).
>
> I'm not a lawyer and I never said I was one, but I can look at obvious
> logical facts, and make an adult assessment,

Ok. Let's go there.

You posit that if an app were illegal Google would block it. Therefore as
new pipe is available from Google it can't be illegal. That's true.

However, you're confusing the legality of an object with the legality of an
act using that object or thing. Just because new pipe isn't illegal doesn't
mean you can't use for illegal activity. They are logically distinct.

If A is illegal and B is used to commit A, then B is also illegal *only* if
B's only purpose is to enable A.

> which is that Google (IMHO) is
> most certainly extremely well aware of New Pipe functionality and source
> code particulars.

Stop snipping relevant responses. I already covered this.

> You may wish to assume Google is ignorant of New Pipe functionality, but I
> don't assume that Google is that ignorant of an app that directly competes
> with both their freeware app and their payware app.
>
> IMHO, it's just not logical to think Google is _that_ ignorant

Logic isn't your strong point. Why not trying sticking to your "facts"?

> (particularly in light of the fact they yanked the multiple New Pipe clones
> off of Google Play about, oh, about half a year or so ago, as I recall).

And you're willfully ignorant if you believe that because Google allows new
pipe to be available on it's play store, it absolves you of any
responsibility of how you use it. Its like saying Ford cars can do 100mph
therefore you're allowed to drive at that speed whenever you want.

Be a grown up and accept your actions for what they truly are.

[nospam]

In article <pokpcc$fm7$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> > (particularly in light of the fact they yanked the multiple New Pipe clones
> > off of Google Play about, oh, about half a year or so ago, as I recall).
>
> And you're willfully ignorant if you believe that because Google allows new
> pipe to be available on it's play store, it absolves you of any
> responsibility of how you use it.

newpipe is *not* available on the play store.

<https://www.slashgear.com/newpipe-youtube-android-app-with-more-control
s-and-no-google-20492117/>
To be clear, NewPipe is not an app that you can find on Google Play
Store for one very important reason. It violates Google零 Terms of
Service because of the way it uses YouTube to deliver functionality
that is otherwise not even available on the web browser version of
YouTube. Because of that, the only way to get it is by getting the
APK from the project零 GitHub page and sideloading it. All
disclaimers about security and safety apply.

[Arlen H Holder]

On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:39:40 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:

> Ok. Let's go there.

First off, your history, Chris, is that of a childish troll.
You're one of the dozen most obvious Apple Apologists of all time.

Let's see if it's even _possible_ for you to ever act like an adult.
Shall we?

> You posit that if an app were illegal Google would block it. Therefore as
> new pipe is available from Google it can't be illegal. That's true.

That's wrong on so many counts that I have to wonder about your
comprehension skills, Chris.

Your comprehension of what I said is so lacking that I must wonder:
a. Are you really _that_ stupid? or,
b. Are you simply playing games (again)?

> However, you're confusing the legality of an object with the legality of an
> act using that object or thing. Just because new pipe isn't illegal doesn't
> mean you can't use for illegal activity. They are logically distinct.

This is the first adult statement you've made, Chris, where you bring up a
point which nobody made, but which is valid, where I'll use the example of
an ice pick to reflect that all the adults here know the platitude:
a. An ice pick isn't in and of itself illegal,
b. And yet, you can use an ice pick to perpetuate an illegal act.

> If A is illegal and B is used to commit A, then B is also illegal *only* if
> B's only purpose is to enable A.

Platitudes, Chris. Platitudes.
a. An ice pick isn't in and of itself illegal,
b. And yet, you can use an ice pick to perpetuate an illegal act.

> Stop snipping relevant responses. I already covered this.

I don't play your silly games, Chris.
I snip whatever I don't respond to.

It happens to be normal Usenet etiquette to do so.
<http://www.html-faq.com/etiquette/?quoting?>

> And you're willfully ignorant if you believe that because Google allows new
> pipe to be available on it's play store, it absolves you of any
> responsibility of how you use it. Its like saying Ford cars can do 100mph
> therefore you're allowed to drive at that speed whenever you want.

Chris,
Yet again, you prove you have no comprehension of adults topics.
Look at what I wrote about New Pipe clones on Google Play.
Look Chris.
Look again Chris.
You think I don't know EXACTLY what was on Google Play and when it was on
there and when it was removed?

Please Chris, never make the mistake of thinking everyone is as
incomprehensibly stupid as you prove yourself to be every time you post.

> Be a grown up and accept your actions for what they truly are.

Chris,
It's kind of funny that you an entire post which provided absolutely zero
adult value, and then you conclude in such a childish manner.

All you've accomplished, Chris, is you proved beyond any shadow of a doubt,
that you possess the comprehensive mind of a child.

HINT: We've covered in the past that the original open-source New Pipe was
NEVER on Google Play (to my knowledge); it was the clones, at least two of
them, both of which I downloaded and tested and reported on in the past,
which were all scams, and all of which were yanked after about a year or so
of being on Google Play.

[Arlen H Holder]

On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 09:52:59 -0400, nospam wrote:

> newpipe is *not* available on the play store.

Chris' weakness === reading comprehension
nospam's weakness === actual facts

While Chris failed on every count for adult reading comprehension, I know
you, nospam, to actually comprehend quite well "most" of what we already
know about New Pipe type functionality on Google Play.

Your weakness isn't reading comprehension; your weakness is facts.

HINT: You brazenly fabricated imaginary New Pipe-like functionality for iOS
when I asked why iOS doesn't have this functionality (see references
below).

The fact is that, long ago, I reviewed both of the New-Pipe-like clones
that were on Google Play for quite some time, both of which I concluded
were outright scams, where the record will show I advised Android users to
stay away from those long-standing new-pipe-like clones that were available
for a long time from Google Play.

You, in your quite childish way, play your silly game "intimating" that the
reasons those obvious scams no longer exist on Google Play was your pet
reason. You always just guess, nospam, where your record is worse than that
of the monkey.

While you "just guess", I make no claims as to why those two obvious scams,
both of which were on Google Play for quite a long period of time, no
longer exist on Google Play.

If someone has a real reference (not nospam's silly childish games), it
would be useful to see why the two known NewPipe-like scams which were on
Google Play for long periods of time, are no longer on Google Play.

*Please only respond if you are an adult as this is an adult question.*

REFERENCES

What free iOS app downloads video & rips audio from YouTube?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/Sa27Y5JRvLE/jBAAk-7mCAAJ>

Why doesn't iOS have a single free app that completely replaces the YouTube app entirely (with far more powerful functionality)?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/GSy2yOsVg68/0oeJY1GXAwAJ>

Nospam posted just now that New Pipe YouTube "red" functionality exists on iOS
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/DkZPV7thX8k/ULqj14ruAAAJ>

Is there a YouTube player with no ads app like AT New Pipe for Windows?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/b3vWA2G2HLI/wdiLiFIwBwAJ>

I have never seen an ad on Android, ever (not in youtube, and not in apps)
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/I98FnUVQ8zo/cuuXRHUuBwAJ>

YouTube sans ads + download youtube audio and/or video
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/GdGYH9x9yU0/2KcNX-aWBAAJ>

[Chris]

Arlen H Holder <arlen...@no.spam.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:39:40 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
>
>> Ok. Let's go there.
>
> First off, your history, Chris, is that of a childish troll.
> You're one of the dozen most obvious Apple Apologists of all time.
>
> Let's see if it's even _possible_ for you to ever act like an adult.
> Shall we?

Ah I see I've become the latest to receive your boilerplate "troll"
treatment. Whatever...

>> You posit that if an app were illegal Google would block it. Therefore as
>> new pipe is available from Google it can't be illegal. That's true.
>
> That's wrong on so many counts that I have to wonder about your
> comprehension skills, Chris.
>
> Your comprehension of what I said is so lacking that I must wonder:
> a. Are you really _that_ stupid? or,
> b. Are you simply playing games (again)?

How can anyone know given you snip everything?

>> However, you're confusing the legality of an object with the legality of an
>> act using that object or thing. Just because new pipe isn't illegal doesn't
>> mean you can't use for illegal activity. They are logically distinct.
>
> This is the first adult statement you've made, Chris, where you bring up a
> point which nobody made, but which is valid, where I'll use the example of
> an ice pick to reflect that all the adults here know the platitude:
> a. An ice pick isn't in and of itself illegal,
> b. And yet, you can use an ice pick to perpetuate an illegal act.

You're just repeating what I said.

>> If A is illegal and B is used to commit A, then B is also illegal *only* if
>> B's only purpose is to enable A.
>
> Platitudes, Chris. Platitudes.
> a. An ice pick isn't in and of itself illegal,
> b. And yet, you can use an ice pick to perpetuate an illegal act.

You're repeating yourself as well as what I said. Stunningly, you're making
even less sense than "normal".

Time to killfile this new nym of yours, methinks.

[Chris]

nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <pokpcc$fm7$1...@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>> (particularly in light of the fact they yanked the multiple New Pipe clones
>>> off of Google Play about, oh, about half a year or so ago, as I recall).
>>
>> And you're willfully ignorant if you believe that because Google allows new
>> pipe to be available on it's play store, it absolves you of any
>> responsibility of how you use it.
>
> newpipe is *not* available on the play store.
>
> <https://www.slashgear.com/newpipe-youtube-android-app-with-more-control
> s-and-no-google-20492117/>
> To be clear, NewPipe is not an app that you can find on Google Play

> Store for one very important reason. It violates Google¹s Terms of

> Service because of the way it uses YouTube to deliver functionality
> that is otherwise not even available on the web browser version of
> YouTube. Because of that, the only way to get it is by getting the

> APK from the project¹s GitHub page and sideloading it. All

> disclaimers about security and safety apply.
>

Whoops. Another one of his "facts" being anything but. Thanks.

[Arlen H Holder]

On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 17:44:01 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:

> You're repeating yourself as well as what I said. Stunningly, you're making
> even less sense than "normal".

So as to always strive to add value in every post, please see one of my
thousands of tutorials, where this one is useful for cross-platform
edification:

Tutorial for how to watch any Youtube video without ever seeing an advertisement
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/AB8gWkSnM1E>

[Rene Lamontagne]

On 09/28/2018 12:44 PM, Chris wrote:
> Arlen H Holder <arlen...@no.spam.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:39:40 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
>>
>>> Ok. Let's go there.
>>
>> First off, your history, Chris, is that of a childish troll.
>> You're one of the dozen most obvious Apple Apologists of all time.
>>
>> Let's see if it's even _possible_ for you to ever act like an adult.
>> Shall we?
>
> Ah I see I've become the latest to receive your boilerplate "troll"
> treatment. Whatever...

You mean I'm not at the top of his List anymore? Oh Gee I feel Real bad
now. :-)

Yeah, He does get boring eh.

Rene

[Arlen H Holder]

On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 17:44:02 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:

> Whoops. Another one of his "facts" being anything but. Thanks.

As always, Chris, you prove yourr reading comprehension is that of a child.

The link nospam posted is clearly talking about "NewPipe" itself (not the
scam clones for heaven's sake) ... which was NEVER on Google Play (AFAIK).

For Christs' sake, Chris.
*Each time you post, you _prove_ how unbelievably _stupid_ you are.*

Read the link again, Chris, and read what it says, Chris:
<https://www.slashgear.com/newpipe-youtube-android-app-with-more-controls-and-no-google-20492117/>

Then think about the facts, Chris, where you are too stupid to comprehend
them, and where nospam is too clever to admit them, but the facts show
there were at least two different Newpipe-like clones (one of which was
called "AT New Pipe") on Google Play for a very long time.
Someone put ads in the open source youtube app "NewPipe" and upload to Google Play Store as "AT NewPipe"
<https://www.reddit.com/r/androidapps/comments/6czkdx/someone_put_ads_in_the_open_source_youtube_app/>

Both were scams, which could be why they're not on Google Play anymore for
all we know - but both were on Google Play for quite a long time.
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=co.at.newpipe>

The net is that there is no known legal case in the entire world that
anyone here can cite that backs up _anything_ you and that game-player
nospam intimate.

You can intimate anything you want - but the facts never back up your
intimations.

Your weakness, Chris, is your reading comprehension is that of a child.
While noospam's weankesses are facts (he just guesses - where the monkey
guesses better than he does).

My strength, is that I have average intelligence (which means I tower over
most of you Apple Apologists), and I always speak facts (to which you have
no defense).

[Arlen H Holder]

On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 12:59:08 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

> You mean I'm not at the top of his List anymore? Oh Gee I feel Real bad
> now. :-)

*Why must you _prove_ you can't add an iota of value, Rene Lamontagne?*

[Rene Lamontagne]

Just to piss you off.

[Dan Purgert]

I thought it was funny ... (not sure which group Rene hails from, else
I'd trim things.. Followup set to alt.os.linux).

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[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <g178ff...@mid.individual.net>, Rene Lamontagne

<rla...@shaw.ca> writes:
>On 09/28/2018 12:44 PM, Chris wrote:
>> Arlen H Holder <arlen...@no.spam.net> wrote:

[snipped]

>> Time to killfile this new nym of yours, methinks.
>>
>
>Yeah, He does get boring eh.
>
>Rene
>

I had, quite a while ago; however, I keep seeing followups. From people
I normally respect. I know it's hard to "let him have the last word",
but just _don't respond_.
--
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and have a nice cup of tea instead. Andrew Collins, RT 2015/2/14-20

[Ken Blake]

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 00:00:00 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
<G6JP...@255soft.uk> wrote:

>In message <g178ff...@mid.individual.net>, Rene Lamontagne
><rla...@shaw.ca> writes:
>>On 09/28/2018 12:44 PM, Chris wrote:
>>> Arlen H Holder <arlen...@no.spam.net> wrote:
>[snipped]
>>> Time to killfile this new nym of yours, methinks.
>>>
>>
>>Yeah, He does get boring eh.
>>
>>Rene
>>
>I had, quite a while ago; however, I keep seeing followups. From people
>I normally respect. I know it's hard to "let him have the last word",
>but just _don't respond_.

I agree completely. Best is to killfile trolls, so the question of
whether to respond never comes up.

[Krusty]

On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 09:52:59 -0400, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

Use F-Droid

[Arlen Holder]

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:57:42 +0800, Krusty wrote:

> Use F-Droid

To always add value to our tribal knowledge, and to reassure everyone,
given that both well-known child-like Apple Apologists' nospam and Chris
were dead wrong (as usual) on almost everything they foolishly opined, the
"real" NewPipe app was never on Google Play.

Since NewPipe was released in 2015, there were at least two knock-off scam
clones of New Pipe on Google Play which we've written about in the past on
the Android ng (one of which was called AT New Pipe which had an avatar
very similar to the official app).

It is _those_ knock-off scam apps which are no longer on Google Play.

The official free and open source NewPipe app has always, to my knowledge
anyway, been available via the developer's web site, GitHub, and F-Droid
(and probably other locations).

*DEVELOPER*
<https://newpipe.schabi.org/>

*GITHUB*
<https://github.com/TeamNewPipe/NewPipe/releases>

*F-DROID*
<https://f-droid.org/packages/org.schabi.newpipe/>

*WIKIPEDIA*
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NewPipe>

Note that Wikipedia says the same thing that the SlashGear article says,
where the critical detail the Apple Apologists always whoosh on is that the
scam *clones* were on Google Play, not the official NewPipe FOSS app.

[Diesel]

Arlen H Holder <arlen...@no.spam.net>
news:pojei5$gn3$1...@news.mixmin.net Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:28:54 GMT in

alt.comp.freeware, wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:05:55 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:
>
>> LOL. I don't know many adults who refer to others as morons,
>> etc...Atleast not emotionally mature ones...
>
> Let's talk facts, Diesel:

Umm.. Ok.

> a. I mirror the intent of the post in threads I care about

I don't know what you mean by that...

> b. Those threads are almost always threads that I author

Okay.

> If you don't post moronic crap in those threads, you'll never hear
> a peep from me.
>
> That's a fact.

You need to define what 'moronic crap' is supposed to mean to you.

>>> If you really were as intelligent as you _think_ you are,
>>> Diesel, you'd test the tweaks and then post those tweaks, which
>>> is what I do all the time (by way of adult example).
>>
>> I have tested the tweak, on the machine I got the app running on.
>> I haven't had time to test it on the other devices which aren't
>> working...
>
> You're exactly like nospam, Diesel, where you fabricate wholly
> imaginary functionality which never seems to exist when someone
> asks you for the proof of your wild claims.

Nospam and myself are nothing alike. They're more of an Apple person,
and, I'm more of a PC person. We disagree far more often than we
agree on a variety of subjects...

I didn't fabricate anything, but, unlike yourself, I prefer to test
and re-test my results BEFORE I publish anything of a technical
nature. That way, when it's tested by a third party (for example,
perhaps yourself at some point in the future), I've covered all the
bases and it *should* work as I wrote, if the instructions are
followed to the letter.

As I've tried (and failed, no doubt) to explain to you, numerous
times now, not all Android devices follow the 'rules' if you will,
so, until I have the free time to test what is working on one device
on the other two I have readily accessable, I'm not going to publish
anything. After all, what good would it do you to know how I got it
working on ONE android device? Do you think the fix is magically
going to work and be identical for yours as well?

I have my doubts, hence my desire to check the 'fix' with two other
Android devices that don't want to run the program and are giving the
same (in my opinion, bogus) error message as you got.

> HINT: You claimed the method was "obvious", and yet, you didn't
> know the first thing about the method.

If you're writing about the 'sliding' files bit you wrote about
previously, I've been exchanging files to various devices via usb
long before it was a popular thing to do, and long before various
later versions of windows had far better support for doing it out of
the box without additional 3rd party software required.

To gain a little extra space, I even pulled the old larger floppy
format trickery on some of my usb sticks. If you don't know what I'm
writing about, or think i'm in any way bsing you, please feel free to
respond and indicate as such. I'd greatly enjoy taking you on a
computer history 101 lesson. :)

I've even written my own custom drivers to facilitate transfers with
some very oddball devices. So, yea, I tend to get a chuckle when I
read comments from you indicating how much of a moron I am, or that I
don't understand this or that. I do, I assure you, I do. You've yet
to lose me in any technical discussion. I'm not saying it's
impossible, but, it's not very likely.

You posted to usenet about being able to exchange files between
windows, android, and various apple products as if it was something
you yourself had recently discovered and nobody else knew a damn
thing about it. Arrogant, and yet, such a stupid comment to make.

You went a step further, without doing a single bit of fact checking
beforehand when you stated that ALL versions of Windows, Android,
apple, etc, would do this without additional 3rd party software.

The linux distro you're using happens to have 3rd party software
installed that facilitates the communications link for your apple
products and your linux box. And contrary to your previous remarks
about the level of access you actually have using it, it's limited.
It doesn't give you full access to the ios device, as it cannot do
so.

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[Diesel]

Arlen H Holder <arlen...@no.spam.net>
news:poje7e$g2t$1...@news.mixmin.net Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:23:11 GMT in

alt.comp.freeware, wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:05:54 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:
>
>> I didn't ask what it meant to the developers. I asked what you
>> meant by the comment...
>
> And I gave you the answer. In spades.
> Even you should be able to comprehend the answer I provided.

If you gave me a clear answer, I wouldn't be asking YOU specifically
what you think it means.

>> And this is specific to NewPipe, Youtube-dl, etc, how?
> For you to ask that question merely indicates either
> a. You're just playing silly games, or,
> b. You really did not comprehend the answer I provided already.

Try neither. Restoring what you snipped:

> For example, you don't need to log in to subscribe.
> And Google never knows who you are when you watch videos.

And this is specific to NewPipe, Youtube-dl, etc, how?

> Since nobody is _that_ stupid, I assume you're just playing games.

You know what they say about assumptions, right?

>> There's really no reason for the consistent and petty name
>> calling...
>
> This isn't my first rodeo with cowardly bullies like you Diesel.

I'm not a coward or a bully. if you feel that petty name calling will
make some form of progress for you, I'm certainly not one to stand in
your way.

> It's to funnel you into acting like an adult.

Your idea of an adult and what it means to act like one seems to
differ considerably from how I was raised...Along with the majority
of the people I work with, come to think of it...

So, either we've all had very fucked up upbringings.. or, the issue
is with you? I'll leave it to the audience (if anyone gives a shit to
read this long and boring thread) to decide...It's not my place to
say...

> When I last mentioned that to Rudy Wieser, Rene Lamantagne, Char
> Jackson, and Wolf K., they took knowledge of my strategy and
> tactics upon themselves as a challenge to *prove* they had the
> God-given right to troll.

I don't know all of the people you've name dropped ,but I've
interacted with several of the ones you've listed and at no time did
I find they were trolls or otherwise waste of usenet space or bytes.

> The method of treating you as a mirror of your own posts only
> works on people who still have a shred of decency left.

You might want to have the mirror serviced...It seems to be
malfunctioning.

>> Besides, I can easily find urls describing things I've done and
>> written which clearly show I'm not a moron...I think I'll wait
>> awhile longer though before I opt for that.
>
> hehhehheh ... you prove what you are in every post.
> All I need to do is point out what you write.

Actually, I was being quite/dead serious.

> The fact is, you added _zero_ value to our overall technical
> knowledge. All you did was waste everyone's time.

You may feel as if I've wasted your time, trying to correct some of
your erroneous comments of a technical nature. I don't feel that I
wasted my own time with the effort though - Pointing out that your
method isn't universal, despite your claims to the contrary is imho,
useful to some out there who weren't sure.

> And I'm wasting everyone's time simply pointing that out to you.
> My hope is that you'll regain any shred of moral decency you ever
> had.

LOL, I'd almost hate to know what you'd think had you a clue who you
were being such a condescending smartass towards.. You still, clearly
(despite claiming to have been around for decades) don't have the
foggiest fucking idea who I am....That actually cracks me up...

The way you talk down to me like i'm a fucking newbie or something.
it's soo damn funny.

> Why you fail to comprehend there is no browser involved is
> strange. What part of "no web browser" do you fail to comprehend?

What the fuck, and I mean that in an amusing way, does a web browser
have to do with youtube-dl? or the other clones? You don't *need* ANY
of those 3rd party programs to download videos from youtube or any
number of other sites, you CAN do it yourself, entirely manually
without using a web browser, OR those particular tools.

We weren't discussing using a web browser to download youtube videos
anyway. You specifically went on a rant about how private you were
when using those as opposed to a web browser, or, heres a fucking
thought, actually learning how the youtube-dl program works and DOING
IT YOURSELF, by hand. Then, if you had the skills yourself (based on
your tribal knowledge posts, I'm confident you don't) you could write
your own damn clone to do the same thing those are already doing.

You incorrectly think and have posted as such that somehow, using
those tools ensures your privacy is preserved. I don't know how you
reach such a conclusion and that's why I asked you.

> HINT: Google is good at scraping information from browser
> sessions.

Indeed, especially for gullible users that use browsers in standard
configurations. To assume that we all do this though, is a foolhearty
assumption on your part. I'm sure google knows that I'm not really
surfing them with netscape on windows 3.1 in japan :) But, as far as
their scraping results are concerned, thats what i'm doing.

>> I'm good thanks. I'm well versed on malware and various methods
>> of tracking...
>
> Then why do you repeatedly prove that you're not?

You've proven once again that you don't have a clue who I am. :)

So, I'll make this easier, mostly for my own amusement and some
chuckles from the audience. I used to write some serious malware,
back in the day. Not the simple to remove stuff by deleting a file
and some registry keys. No, mine was much more involved.. It really
grabbed you by the balls and gave them a twist. And the serious
malware i'm writing about isn't some unknown material that nobodies
ever heard of. It's piss easy to pull antivirus write ups on several
examples of my malware authoring work. One such diddy 0wned a
particular car manufacturer for a short period of time. You might
have heard of them... Toyota.

At some point, back in the day, I grew out of writing harmful code
and went to the other side. Since then, I developed and supported my
own antimalware utility, known as BugHunter. I've seen it provided on
the hirens repair boot cd as well as getting the opportunity to see
MY PROGRAM in action at best buy (yes, the geek squad guys) repairing
a walk in customers computer. Needless to say, I was very proud of
that. It wasn't some local branch, one time deal; no.. It was
actually included on their geek repair tool kit discs, along with a
small pile of other apps like it; written by the people I got to know
in the antimalware community.

I also worked for two years for another antimalware outfit, a tiny
company so you might not have heard of them; malwarebytes. My job
description? :) Professional malware researcher. Do you know how I
got the job? Marcin (the big chief himself) emailed me one day, out
of the blue asking if I would like to come work for them. You get
many job offers like that? :)

So, are we done with the 'I know more than you do' routine, or, do
you want to dig a bigger hole for yourself?

> HINT: New Pipe was designed for privacy, among other things.

HOW, specifically was it designed for privacy? I don't want the
authors sales speech, I want you to explain, in laymens terms (for
the general audience benefit); you can be as techie with me as you
want, what designed for privacy actually means.

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Chris <ithi...@gmail.com> news:pokpcc$fm7$1...@dont-email.me Fri, 28

Sep 2018 08:39:40 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote:

> Arlen H Holder <arlen...@no.spam.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:40:32 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
>>
>>> It's immaterial to the discussion, but i doubt that google has
>>> the source code for every app on android.
>>
>> The point simply is that if NewPipe, which is open source code
>> that has been available for years, was doing something illegal,
>> then Google would have a case against them since clearly New Pipe
>> does many things that the YouTube app can't do (and which, for
>> some features, Google attempts to extract money from YouTube Red
>> subscribers for).
>>
>> I'm not a lawyer and I never said I was one, but I can look at
>> obvious logical facts, and make an adult assessment,
>
> Ok. Let's go there.
>
> You posit that if an app were illegal Google would block it.
> Therefore as new pipe is available from Google it can't be
> illegal. That's true.
>
> However, you're confusing the legality of an object with the
> legality of an act using that object or thing. Just because new
> pipe isn't illegal doesn't mean you can't use for illegal
> activity. They are logically distinct.
>
> If A is illegal and B is used to commit A, then B is also illegal
> *only* if B's only purpose is to enable A.

Didn't I already cover this when I wrote:

I don't know what you mean by perfectly legal? If you think it's
perfectly legal for you to use the program and download any/all
videos you like, you'd be wrong. In some cases, you're actually
committing copyright infringement when using the application.

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Arlen H Holder <arlen...@no.spam.net>
news:pojfuc$ip7$1...@news.mixmin.net Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:52:30 GMT in

alt.comp.freeware, wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:40:32 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
>
>> It's immaterial to the discussion, but i doubt that google has
>> the source code for every app on android.
>
> The point simply is that if NewPipe, which is open source code
> that has been available for years, was doing something illegal,
> then Google would have a case against them since clearly New Pipe
> does many things that the YouTube app can't do (and which, for
> some features, Google attempts to extract money from YouTube Red
> subscribers for).

You seem to be more than slightly confused. I wrote:

I don't know what you mean by perfectly legal? If you think it's
perfectly legal for you to use the program and download any/all
videos you like, you'd be wrong. In some cases, you're actually
committing copyright infringement when using the application.

The tool itself is like a gun, it's a neutral party. It's how you use
the tool that determines if your actions are legal or not.

> I'm not a lawyer and I never said I was one, but I can look at
> obvious logical facts, and make an adult assessment, which is that
> Google (IMHO) is most certainly extremely well aware of New Pipe
> functionality and source code particulars.

Which has nothing to do with what I wrote.

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Have you ever noticed that those who most often use "adult" as an
adjective are almost always the least adult people in a conversation?

:-)

[Chris]

Indeed you did. He just didn't get it. I think he does now as in every
reply to me he snipped more and more of what I said as he couldn't refute
the fact that new pipe might facilitate copyright theft despite it, in
itself, being completely legal.

[Dan Purgert]

Diesel wrote:
> [...]

> To gain a little extra space, I even pulled the old larger floppy
> format trickery on some of my usb sticks. If you don't know what I'm
> writing about, or think i'm in any way bsing you, please feel free to
> respond and indicate as such. I'd greatly enjoy taking you on a
> computer history 101 lesson. :)

Computer history is always a bit fascinating. I wouldn't mind
hearing it (although it might be better to take that to email, or at
least a different thread)

>
> I've even written my own custom drivers to facilitate transfers with
> some very oddball devices.

I'm hardly a programmer (and much less a hardware guy), how would one
get started with "drivers" these days? I mean, so much of everything
seems to be locked behind "proprietary" or some other "corporate secret"
type nonsense.