YouTube sans ads + download youtube audio and/or video

[Stijn De Jong]

YouTube sans ads + download youtube audio and/or video
http://i.cubeupload.com/1050z9.gif

For a long time I had been using the F-Droid "New Pipe" software to:
a. Watch YouTube sans ads <== at least I have never seen ads yet
b. Watch YouTube sans Google tracking <== always a bonus
c. Listen to YouTube in the background with the screen off
d. Download YouTube audio
e. Download YouTube video
https://github.com/TeamNewPipe/NewPipe
https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdfilter=newpipe&fdid=org.schabi.newpipe

NewPipe doesn't use Google Play Services so there's apparently no tracking:
https://androidcommunity.com/newpipe-is-a-minimalist-youtube-player-without-google-play-services-20160215/

But for the past few months, NewPipe erred out with the message "Could not
decrypt video url signature."
http://i.cubeupload.com/F3FQHS.png

Too bad because I had gotten used to free ad-free YouTube "red" and being
able to listen offline to youtube documentaries with the screen blanked
out.

Just now, as I was researching the video apps for another thread, I ran
into this:
AT NewPipe, by Nguyen Tuong Vy
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=co.at.newpipe

The description is completely empty, and yet it has a 4.9 rating, and the
icon and action seems similar to what the F-Droid NewPipe used to do.

I'll test it out, but it does seem to be a Google Play version of the
F-Droid NewPipe open-source code, at least upon initial inspection.

[Andy Burns]

Stijn De Jong wrote:

> Listen to YouTube in the background with the screen off

It does annoy me there's no way to do that with the standard app, though
you can do it by watching within a browser and then turning the screen off.

> AT NewPipe, by Nguyen Tuong Vy
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=co.at.newpipe

> it has a 4.9 rating

4.9* from a mere 8 reviews vs 4.2 from 17 million reviews

[Stijn De Jong]

On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 06:34:54 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

>> Listen to YouTube in the background with the screen off
>
> It does annoy me there's no way to do that with the standard app, though
> you can do it by watching within a browser and then turning the screen off.

According to the articles I've read, Google requires that the app not be
able to play in the background if it uses Google APIs, so, I'm guessing
that both the browsers and this new NewPipe app get around that restriction
by not using the restricted APIs from Google.

I loved the old New Pipe and I think I'm gonna love this new New Pipe so
much that the YouTube app can be deleted.

I just wish iOS had the same capabilities as Android in this arena of
playing videos with useful functionality.

>> AT NewPipe, by Nguyen Tuong Vy
>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=co.at.newpipe
>> it has a 4.9 rating
>
> 4.9* from a mere 8 reviews vs 4.2 from 17 million reviews

I've only been been testing out the AT NewPipe for one day, but it seems to
be a faithful rendition of the F-Droid open-source NewPipe code, which
doesn't use private Google Framework APIs (so you get a better experience).

After only one day of using it, I like everything about the "new" NewPipe
except, oddly, there is no way to close the darn thing. The back button
doesn't exit it, and there doesn't seem to be an "exit" link.

While anything can be closed in the Android App Manager, it's odd that the
new NewPipe doesn't have an exit button.

[Andy Burns]

Stijn De Jong wrote:

> I like everything about the "new" NewPipe except, oddly, there is no
> way to close the darn thing. The back button doesn't exit it, and
> there doesn't seem to be an "exit" link.

I thought the Android paradigm was that no app should have an exit
option (I know a few do ignore that) but rather should save any state,
gracefully go into the background, and let the system decide whether to
evict their process later?

[nospam]

In article <obrbvl$qdl$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Stijn De Jong

<stijnd...@nlnet.nl> wrote:

>
> >> Listen to YouTube in the background with the screen off
> >
> > It does annoy me there's no way to do that with the standard app, though
> > you can do it by watching within a browser and then turning the screen off.
>
> According to the articles I've read, Google requires that the app not be
> able to play in the background if it uses Google APIs, so, I'm guessing
> that both the browsers and this new NewPipe app get around that restriction
> by not using the restricted APIs from Google.
>
> I loved the old New Pipe and I think I'm gonna love this new New Pipe so
> much that the YouTube app can be deleted.
>
> I just wish iOS had the same capabilities as Android in this arena of
> playing videos with useful functionality.

it does, as has been explained to you on numerous occasions.

[Stijn De Jong]

On Sun, 02 Apr 2017 16:15:35 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> I just wish iOS had the same capabilities as Android in this arena of
>> playing videos with useful functionality.
>
> it does, as has been explained to you on numerous occasions.

You just make this stuff up because you know iOS doesn't have an app that
can do what was listed in the OP:

a. Watch YouTube sans ads

b. Watch YouTube sans Google tracking <== always a bonus
c. Listen to YouTube in the background with the screen off
d. Download YouTube audio
e. Download YouTube video

All you have on iOS are two things, both of which are on Android also:
1. YouTube app (either free or red)
2. Browser (e.g., Safari)

As always, there's absolutely nothing on iOS that isn't already on Android,
and, as shown with NewPipe and AP NewPipe, there is tons (and tons) of
functionality on Android that iOS users can't hope to have.

The "i" in iOS may as well stand for "incapable".

[nospam]

In article <obsaph$cdh$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Stijn De Jong

<stijnd...@nlnet.nl> wrote:

>
> >> I just wish iOS had the same capabilities as Android in this arena of
> >> playing videos with useful functionality.
> >
> > it does, as has been explained to you on numerous occasions.
>
> You just make this stuff up because you know iOS doesn't have an app that
> can do what was listed in the OP:

not only do i know, but several solutions were explained to you.

>
> The "i" in iOS may as well stand for "incapable".

if you truly believe that, then you should take on the prefix.

[Stijn De Jong]

On Sun, 02 Apr 2017 22:12:14 -0400, nospam wrote:

> not only do i know, but several solutions were explained to you.

You just make this stuff up.
Never do you supply proof of anything you say.

There is no app on in the Apple App Store even remotely capable of doing
what AP New Pipe does.

You can't name a single one.
All you can name is "Safari".

That's because the stated AP New Pipe functionality doesn't exist on the
incapable operating system.

[nospam]

In article <obscmb$f7g$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Stijn De Jong

<stijnd...@nlnet.nl> wrote:

>
> > not only do i know, but several solutions were explained to you.
>
> You just make this stuff up.

it ain't me who is making stuff up.

[Chris]

Indeed it is. The OS is much smarter at managing memory usage than the
user.

However, many people are more comfortable with a nice "x" with which to
"close" apps.

[Carlos E. R.]

We certainly are. Specially when the app does things one does not want,
even nasty. Like drain the battery, because it uses the GPS chip,
because it opens a special WiFi connection to an external device...



Some times I try a trick: go to "home", then display the list of
previous task you used (I don't know the name of that button), then
slide to the side the window of the app you want to kill.

My Asus tablet comes with a native widget that displays the active apps
and can force kill any of them.


--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

[Chris]

Carlos E. R. <robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2017-04-04 09:35, Chris wrote:
>> Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>>> Stijn De Jong wrote:
>>>
>>>> I like everything about the "new" NewPipe except, oddly, there is no
>>>> way to close the darn thing. The back button doesn't exit it, and
>>>> there doesn't seem to be an "exit" link.
>>>
>>> I thought the Android paradigm was that no app should have an exit
>>> option (I know a few do ignore that) but rather should save any state,
>>> gracefully go into the background, and let the system decide whether to
>>> evict their process later?
>>>
>>
>> Indeed it is. The OS is much smarter at managing memory usage than the
>> user.
>>
>> However, many people are more comfortable with a nice "x" with which to
>> "close" apps.
>
> We certainly are. Specially when the app does things one does not want,
> even nasty. Like drain the battery, because it uses the GPS chip,
> because it opens a special WiFi connection to an external device...
>

That's the exception rather than the rule.

>
> Some times I try a trick: go to "home", then display the list of
> previous task you used (I don't know the name of that button), then
> slide to the side the window of the app you want to kill.

That's not a trick, it's the way it should be done.

[Frank Slootweg]

Those are two seperate issues:

1. Whether or not the memory of a terminated program/process is released
or not. Any 'modern' (as in less than some three decades old) OS will
not release such memory unless it is needed. Releasing memory of a
process which might run again is wasteful and serves no purpose.

2. Whether or not an app has a 'x' (or some such) button to exit_from/
terminate the program/process. IMO, an app should have such a
function.

[Carlos E. R.]

On 2017-04-04 18:57, Chris wrote:
> Carlos E. R. <robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2017-04-04 09:35, Chris wrote:
>>> Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>>>> Stijn De Jong wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I like everything about the "new" NewPipe except, oddly, there is no
>>>>> way to close the darn thing. The back button doesn't exit it, and
>>>>> there doesn't seem to be an "exit" link.
>>>>
>>>> I thought the Android paradigm was that no app should have an exit
>>>> option (I know a few do ignore that) but rather should save any state,
>>>> gracefully go into the background, and let the system decide whether to
>>>> evict their process later?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Indeed it is. The OS is much smarter at managing memory usage than the
>>> user.
>>>
>>> However, many people are more comfortable with a nice "x" with which to
>>> "close" apps.
>>
>> We certainly are. Specially when the app does things one does not want,
>> even nasty. Like drain the battery, because it uses the GPS chip,
>> because it opens a special WiFi connection to an external device...
>>
>
> That's the exception rather than the rule.

Well, it is the nasty apps which one wants to kill.

>
>>
>> Some times I try a trick: go to "home", then display the list of
>> previous task you used (I don't know the name of that button), then
>> slide to the side the window of the app you want to kill.
>
> That's not a trick, it's the way it should be done.

No. I have a Samsung phone that on long press the home button it
presents a task manager and I can kill apps, even those that locked.
Very useful with nasty apps or crashed apps.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

[Chris]

My point is that there is a mechanism - however much it differs between
Android versions and manufacturers <sigh> - to stop misbehaving apps and
that it is unnecessary to close apps on a routine basis.