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This isnt meant to disagree with you Etz, or anything like that
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Henosis Sage
May 23, 2015, 4:11:09 PM5/23/15
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On Wednesday, February 22, 2012 at 10:45:49 PM UTC-6, Kinpa wrote:
Tag Mystique - Quote comparisons between Neville Goddard & Rebazar
Tarzs
Yah, for tis written that in the holy scripts of Kinpankar:
"its all good and fine, both ways, either looking at the forms and
plagiarisms, or relying solely on one's own inner experience, but imo,
the most important and overlooked thing seems to be that the EK uses
ANY image or form, to express ITSELF to a student, whether physically
or inwardly, and even if that form was claimed to have lived, and
never actually did because it is fiction, that doesnt at all imo deter
from the spiritual value of the experience, and ill further point out
that Neville Goddard got every single word from elsewhere himself,
whether by imagination, copying in any way, or just plain personal
experimentation and experience, he literally cant claim to own the
words or concepts contained in his books, they simply are NOT
his....and any spiritual discovery made by him (just for example) is
not a new one in the general sense, it may be new to him, but he
wouldnt be the first to realize it, so he doesnt own it.....so, what
im saying is, that these experiences and realizations are there for
the taking by literally anyone, and Spirit might well choose to use a
"form" that is believed in, while being completely unproven to
physically exist, simply because that form has an access point in that
individual's consciousness which can be used for spiritual
development.....i was at one time married to a person who had an
experience with Rebezar without having ever read ANY Eck material (or
even knowing it existed at all), and without reading ANY of the
materials found to have been used by PT to write Eck books, and in
this case the general mis-identification of an eastern or central
asian figure doesnt work. This person was psychic, and so could see
and hear inner figures, regardless of who or what they were, and in
this case a middle aged figure, with black hair , mustache and beard,
wearing a maroon robe was described, and the "name" Rebezeer Tarz
said, from the experience....not quite "right" but close enough to
make me wonder, and a good description...at a later point both of us
were visited by this figure, we BOTH could see and hear him, and he
wore Rebezar's "form", told us strange and seemingly unlikely
predictions, which did come true, despite our skepticism, so, imo,
regardless of whether or not he was a made up figure, he IS, now, a
"form" that the EK uses in it's functions among souls......this isnt
meant to disagree with you Etz, or anything like that, just to throw
in another factor in the mix, one which cant be resolved by claims of
pictures being seen, or books read, or words spoken or over heard,
while those things CAN happen and be the case at times, they are not
ALWAYS the case....so, IF Rebezar wants to come and speak to me, ill
listen, as long as its the real deal and not an imposter, as i have
yet to get any info from this soul that has lead me astray....this of
course has nothing to do with your own search for verifiable facts
about any Masters or in looking through the plagiarisms, it only adds
one more potential explanation of such events...
from ::
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/bD9atjm4_pU/m0PZqdvOsrcJ
Yes but, he can;t prove it now can he? Just an opinion, a guess a "potential explanation" he liked one day. a thought bubble.
"its all good and fine, both ways, either looking at the forms and
plagiarisms, or relying solely on one's own inner experience, but imo,
the most important and overlooked thing seems to be that the EK uses
ANY image or form, to express ITSELF to a student, whether physically
or inwardly, and even if that form was claimed to have lived, and
never actually did because it is fiction, that doesnt at all imo deter
from the spiritual value of the experience [...] so, what im saying is, that these experiences and realizations are there for the taking by literally anyone, and Spirit might well choose to use a "form" that is believed in, while being completely unproven to physically exist, simply because that form has an access point in that individual's consciousness which can be used for spiritual development [...]"
OH REALLY? HOW NICE.
Now, prove it! No one cares what Matt Sharpe thinks or says.
another Twitch spin off is it? KINPANKAR - Consciousness & Spiritual Development Expert Org.
[...] ......this isnt
meant to disagree with you Etz, or anything like that, just to throw
in another factor in the mix, one which cant be resolved by claims of
pictures being seen, or books read, or words spoken or over heard,
while those things CAN happen and be the case at times, they are not
ALWAYS the case....so, IF Rebezar wants to come and speak to me, ill
listen, as long as its the real deal and not an imposter, as i have
yet to get any info from this soul that has lead me astray....this of
course has nothing to do with your own search for verifiable facts
about any Masters or in looking through the plagiarisms, it only adds
one more potential explanation of such events... "
SURE! Sounds doable. well anything is a potential in fantasy Kinpankarland.
and what does it have to do with plagiarism and twitchell making shit up????
"....this of
course has nothing to do with your own search for verifiable facts
about any Masters or in looking through the plagiarisms, it only adds
one more potential explanation of such events... "
LMAO!
"...at a later point both of us
were visited by this figure, we BOTH could see and hear him, and he
wore Rebezar's "form", told us strange and seemingly unlikely
predictions, which did come true, despite our skepticism, so, imo,
regardless of whether or not he was a made up figure, he IS, now, a
"form" that the EK uses in it's functions among souls......this isnt
meant to disagree with you Etz, or anything like that,...."
But today is another matter. Today being disagreeable is #1 Obsession since Sept 2014 and counting..... LMAO! LMAO!
and who is this "Rebezar character", never heard of that name?
More sloppiness or making up new wizards here? Everyday more convinced Matt Sharpe is the Reincarnation of Twitchell. So alike it's as if they are twins!!! LMAO!
Where's your proof that this 'imaginary astral entity belief' in Rebezar is real? Is the same Rebazar that Twitchell spoke about? and the same one Marman speaks about, and harold speaks about, are they the same Rebazar? What's any of that got to do with eckankar? or books and articles and religions and like?
all you have is YOUR opinion and your [mythical] ex-wife sure isn't any proof just because you say this character in your imaginings is psychic means nothing, and everyone is laughing at you and also pity you at the same time.
Maybe Twitchell really believed that Kirpal singh was appearing in his appartment and dictating the teachings to him not realising it was a psychotic break like a split personality where he honestly lost all memory of typing up the material from his notes copied from all these other books. Maybe twitchell really believed he was a Godman and the highest consciousness on this earth like Harold klemp.
anything is a valid potential explanation.
ain;t it? :)
Tag Mystique - Quote comparisons between Neville Goddard & Rebazar
Tarzs
Yah, for tis written that in the holy scripts of Kinpankar:
"its all good and fine, both ways, either looking at the forms and
plagiarisms, or relying solely on one's own inner experience, but imo,
the most important and overlooked thing seems to be that the EK uses
ANY image or form, to express ITSELF to a student, whether physically
or inwardly, and even if that form was claimed to have lived, and
never actually did because it is fiction, that doesnt at all imo deter
from the spiritual value of the experience, and ill further point out
that Neville Goddard got every single word from elsewhere himself,
whether by imagination, copying in any way, or just plain personal
experimentation and experience, he literally cant claim to own the
words or concepts contained in his books, they simply are NOT
his....and any spiritual discovery made by him (just for example) is
not a new one in the general sense, it may be new to him, but he
wouldnt be the first to realize it, so he doesnt own it.....so, what
im saying is, that these experiences and realizations are there for
the taking by literally anyone, and Spirit might well choose to use a
"form" that is believed in, while being completely unproven to
physically exist, simply because that form has an access point in that
individual's consciousness which can be used for spiritual
development.....i was at one time married to a person who had an
experience with Rebezar without having ever read ANY Eck material (or
even knowing it existed at all), and without reading ANY of the
materials found to have been used by PT to write Eck books, and in
this case the general mis-identification of an eastern or central
asian figure doesnt work. This person was psychic, and so could see
and hear inner figures, regardless of who or what they were, and in
this case a middle aged figure, with black hair , mustache and beard,
wearing a maroon robe was described, and the "name" Rebezeer Tarz
said, from the experience....not quite "right" but close enough to
make me wonder, and a good description...at a later point both of us
were visited by this figure, we BOTH could see and hear him, and he
wore Rebezar's "form", told us strange and seemingly unlikely
predictions, which did come true, despite our skepticism, so, imo,
regardless of whether or not he was a made up figure, he IS, now, a
"form" that the EK uses in it's functions among souls......this isnt
meant to disagree with you Etz, or anything like that, just to throw
in another factor in the mix, one which cant be resolved by claims of
pictures being seen, or books read, or words spoken or over heard,
while those things CAN happen and be the case at times, they are not
ALWAYS the case....so, IF Rebezar wants to come and speak to me, ill
listen, as long as its the real deal and not an imposter, as i have
yet to get any info from this soul that has lead me astray....this of
course has nothing to do with your own search for verifiable facts
about any Masters or in looking through the plagiarisms, it only adds
one more potential explanation of such events...
from ::
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/bD9atjm4_pU/m0PZqdvOsrcJ
Yes but, he can;t prove it now can he? Just an opinion, a guess a "potential explanation" he liked one day. a thought bubble.
"its all good and fine, both ways, either looking at the forms and
plagiarisms, or relying solely on one's own inner experience, but imo,
the most important and overlooked thing seems to be that the EK uses
ANY image or form, to express ITSELF to a student, whether physically
or inwardly, and even if that form was claimed to have lived, and
never actually did because it is fiction, that doesnt at all imo deter
from the spiritual value of the experience [...] so, what im saying is, that these experiences and realizations are there for the taking by literally anyone, and Spirit might well choose to use a "form" that is believed in, while being completely unproven to physically exist, simply because that form has an access point in that individual's consciousness which can be used for spiritual development [...]"
OH REALLY? HOW NICE.
Now, prove it! No one cares what Matt Sharpe thinks or says.
another Twitch spin off is it? KINPANKAR - Consciousness & Spiritual Development Expert Org.
[...] ......this isnt
meant to disagree with you Etz, or anything like that, just to throw
in another factor in the mix, one which cant be resolved by claims of
pictures being seen, or books read, or words spoken or over heard,
while those things CAN happen and be the case at times, they are not
ALWAYS the case....so, IF Rebezar wants to come and speak to me, ill
listen, as long as its the real deal and not an imposter, as i have
yet to get any info from this soul that has lead me astray....this of
course has nothing to do with your own search for verifiable facts
about any Masters or in looking through the plagiarisms, it only adds
one more potential explanation of such events... "
SURE! Sounds doable. well anything is a potential in fantasy Kinpankarland.
and what does it have to do with plagiarism and twitchell making shit up????
"....this of
course has nothing to do with your own search for verifiable facts
about any Masters or in looking through the plagiarisms, it only adds
one more potential explanation of such events... "
LMAO!
"...at a later point both of us
were visited by this figure, we BOTH could see and hear him, and he
wore Rebezar's "form", told us strange and seemingly unlikely
predictions, which did come true, despite our skepticism, so, imo,
regardless of whether or not he was a made up figure, he IS, now, a
"form" that the EK uses in it's functions among souls......this isnt
meant to disagree with you Etz, or anything like that,...."
But today is another matter. Today being disagreeable is #1 Obsession since Sept 2014 and counting..... LMAO! LMAO!
and who is this "Rebezar character", never heard of that name?
More sloppiness or making up new wizards here? Everyday more convinced Matt Sharpe is the Reincarnation of Twitchell. So alike it's as if they are twins!!! LMAO!
Where's your proof that this 'imaginary astral entity belief' in Rebezar is real? Is the same Rebazar that Twitchell spoke about? and the same one Marman speaks about, and harold speaks about, are they the same Rebazar? What's any of that got to do with eckankar? or books and articles and religions and like?
all you have is YOUR opinion and your [mythical] ex-wife sure isn't any proof just because you say this character in your imaginings is psychic means nothing, and everyone is laughing at you and also pity you at the same time.
Maybe Twitchell really believed that Kirpal singh was appearing in his appartment and dictating the teachings to him not realising it was a psychotic break like a split personality where he honestly lost all memory of typing up the material from his notes copied from all these other books. Maybe twitchell really believed he was a Godman and the highest consciousness on this earth like Harold klemp.
anything is a valid potential explanation.
ain;t it? :)
Henosis Sage
May 24, 2015, 3:05:54 AM5/24/15
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Preposterous
adjective
contrary to reason or common sense; utterly absurd or ridiculous.
"a preposterous suggestion"
synonyms: absurd, ridiculous, foolish, stupid, ludicrous, farcical,
laughable, comical, risible, hare-brained, asinine, inane, nonsensical,
pointless, senseless, insane, unreasonable, irrational, illogical;
Beautifully describes Mattilda's words and behaviour since Sept 2014 ... Preposterous.
Either a Compulsive Liar who is Lying with intent like a Sociopath or
Mattilda actually believes the garbage he talks, which is even worse.
the latter being more likely for sure.
Kinpa
May 24, 2015, 12:31:22 PM5/24/15
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On the other hand, he is absolutely unable to prove that what I talk is "garbage" as he calls it. The simple fact is, that he has no understanding of any spiritual principles regardless of what system or religion they might have sprung from....he is nothing more than an internet "scholar" and one that doesn't actually do the work of reading nearly as much as he claims to. Understanding of what is read is another matter entirely, one he does not excel at, however, he IS welcomed to have his own opinion, even if he refuses to recognize that it is simply an opinion and has absolutely NO other value to anyone other than himself.....sad really, but that is his problem, not mine!
Now, as to Neville Goddard having gotten his teachings from sources before him, I will again name the Torah, the Bible, and the Kabbalah...any who doubt these references have obviously read no great amount of Neville's writings, nor heard his lectures, being that he spoke using lines and references from these works often. Other than that there is NO doubt that he gained what he taught from his teacher Abdullah, an Ethiopian Jewish Rabbi. In Neville's lecture A Lesson In Scripture he tells the story of how he met this man and came to accept him as his teacher.
http://www.law-of-attraction-haven.com/support-files/a-lesson-in-scripture.pdf
Here is an excerpt of that lecture, which also points out a great many examples of the SAME teachings he taught, in Bible verses! Imagine that! I've once again proven seanella wrong!
I came into the world completely forgetful of the being that I AM. I had to. When I first met my friend Abdullah back in 1931 I entered a room where he was speaking and when the speech was ended he came over, extended his hand and said: "Neville, you are six months late." I had never seen the man before, so I said: "I am six months late? How do you know me?" and he replied: "The brothers told me that you were coming and you are six months late."
I was late because the one who told me of Abdullah was a Catholic priest. I loved him dearly, but I thought he was almost a moron. His father, a rumrunner in the days of prohibition, left him two million dollars, which he proceeded to lose on Wall Street the first year. The only wonderful thing he did was to take the last $15,000 and give it to a Catholic organization to care for his mother the rest of her earthly days. So, having no respect for his judgment, when he told me about Abdullah I postponed going to hear him until one day I could find no excuse. When Ab called me by name I said: "I don't know you" and he replied: "Oh yes you do, but you have forgotten. We were together in China thousands of years ago, but you promised to completely forget in order to play the part you must play now."
Last Friday night a lady gave me a letter saying: "The previous Monday as you stood on the platform I could not see you as Neville, but as an ancient Chinese philosopher. I have seen my friends change from moment to moment, but you remained changed during your entire lecture. This bothered me, so I questioned the experience on the way home and then I remembered. Several years ago in a psychic experience, I was walking up a hill with other students to attend a class. Falling away from the group, I saw an ancient Chinese in a white garment at my side. Beckoning me to follow him, we approached a cave where I saw huge granite stone with a peak at the top. Two hands containing a cocoon covered the top of the stone. Removing the cocoon, the ancient Chinese broke it on the peak of the granite, and water, mixed with colorful oil, came out as life took on the sense of heat rising. Then the ancient Chinese took my hand and led me back to the group, where they had not realized that I had been away. "Now I know whose face you wore last Monday night."
Well, that's what Abdullah told me in 1931, but to this day I have no knowledge of it, because I swore in the beginning to empty myself completely of all memory and take on the form of a slave, but to have faith in him who sent me. Now knowing that he and I are one, I have no other place to go but back to myself, the sender. Having played every part I have completely wiped out the memory, but I know that no one can arrive at the end of the road until he has played it all. I do know from my intuitive knowledge that, just as an actor must feel the part he is playing and imagine himself the character he is depicting, you will imagine yourself into every part, and when the play is over for you, the signs will come to show you the being that you really are.
Now, we have another reference of Neville regarding Abdullah as his teacher, or even "Master" if you wish...In his 1953 lecture "Changing the Feeling of "I"
http://www.law-of-attraction-haven.com/support-files/changing-the-feeling-of-i-neville-goddard.pdf
Here is an exceprt:
Neville says "If I were called upon to name a man that I would consider my teacher, I would name Abdullah. I studied with that gentleman for five years."
Neville also described Abdullah as "black as the ace of spades" and said that he was very proud of being a negro and didn't want any modification of what God had made him and he would never allow anyone to refer to him as a colored man.
Abdullah taught Neville that there was no cause outside of the arrangement of his own mind.
I think that is quite enough to have proven my point as being truthful beyond the shadow of a doubt...anyone who refuses to recognize this FACT, is simply choosing delusion over reality. Which are YOU?
Kinpa
May 24, 2015, 12:35:43 PM5/24/15
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http://mitchhorowitz.com/other-writings/the-substance-of-things-hoped-for-searching-for-neville-goddard/
Kinpa
May 24, 2015, 12:39:00 PM5/24/15
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Kinpa
May 24, 2015, 2:08:06 PM5/24/15
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"According to Neville, the two studied Hebrew, Scripture, and kabala together for five years - planting the seeds of the philosophy of mental creativity that Neville would develop."
Why looky there, Neville himself admits that he did not actually self-create his methods.....
Furthermore, every path, method or religion that has ever existed, has come from previous teachings that had an origin before the founder of each new path, and this is a historical FACT! Any debate of this is simply refusing to acknowledge the history that already exists, and THAT, if anything, is delusional thinking....
Thus, regardless of Paul Twitchell having plagiarised, that has NO bearing on whether or not the various methods he came across were valid and worked! They were already known to have worked before he ever learned about them, and therefore his use of them in no way indicates that his way of spirituality is even %1 invalid...no one has to like that fact, but it remains regardless, despite anyone's opinions for or against this FACT!
Did Shiv Dayal Singh create Sant Mat or Radhasoami? no, he did not. Did Kabir? NO! He did not! Did Nanak? Again, NO he did NOT! You can argue all you would like to, but that is nothing more than your slavery to your own ego, deluded enough to not be able to admit that this obvious fact is indeed true!
All Sufis knew it, and they were not dependent on Shams or Rumi for that truth, just like they also knew that ALL religions were created by the minds of mankind, while still having originated directly from the Godhead! The Sufis were merely willing to step outside of the limited point of vi8ewing spirituality and instead viewed it as a whole, as did any number of generations of shamans, from aboriginal origins around the planet, except that now it has been proven that modern human beings had organized civilizations thousands of years before what had been previously thought.
The shamans of today are no different from the Sufis from any school of thought or period of time, and of course, in the present day, Eckankar puts forward the very same idea...it makes absolutely NO difference where Paul Twitchell first acquired the idea, especially since it obviously predated his life by a very long stretch of time.
The constant repetition of the SAME plagiarisms is utterly meaningless to any who are interested in acual spiritual study, and this is the reason the crowd of people I speak with in the matter has been steadily growing, while Etznab and Seanella's have not. This idea not only transcends Eckankar, it transcends ALL religions.
However, it is quite obvious that Etznab, Werner and Seanella, believe they already know everything, and there is nothing left to be learned, and this is the reason they absolutely refuse to consider any idea that disputes their collective view. That is their business however, the world SHALL move on regardless of anyone's thoughts or opinions on the matter.....
Have a wonderful day boys...
Kinpa
May 24, 2015, 3:50:58 PM5/24/15
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Kinpa
May 24, 2015, 11:44:47 PM5/24/15
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On Sunday, May 24, 2015 at 7:05:54 AM UTC, Henosis Sage wrote:
Anything else to say seanella???
Henosis Sage
May 25, 2015, 12:56:34 AM5/25/15
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PROVES NOTHING OF THE KIND - MORE DESPERATE STUPIDITY - YOU HAVE NOTHING BUT
YOUR EXTREME EXAGGERATIONS AND TOTALLY FALSE CLAIMS ABOUT NEVILLE'S WRITINGS
THE ABOVE PROVES HOW WRONG YOU WERE ALL ALONG. IDIOT, PROBABLY CANNOT REMEMBER WHAT YOU SAID. PSYCHOSES ARE LIKE THAT.
(shrug)
Henosis Sage
May 25, 2015, 1:00:46 AM5/25/15
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ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS FUCK OFF - UR AN IDIOT AND A DISREPUTABLE LYING SCUMBAG
I HAVE ZERO RESPECT FOR YOU AS A HUMAN BEING - YOUR WORTHLESS
IF I SAILED CLOSE TO YOU DROWNING ON THE SEAS I WOULD GO THE OTHER WAY AND LEAVE YOU TO YOUR JUST DESSERTS WITHOUT A SECOND THOUGHT.
Kinpa
May 25, 2015, 1:10:09 AM5/25/15
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Kinpa
May 25, 2015, 1:13:15 AM5/25/15
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Henosis Sage
May 25, 2015, 1:27:07 AM5/25/15
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BORING PSYCHOTIC
BE PATIENT ABOUT LEGAL OUTCOMES, BECAUSE YOU WILL BE THE LAST TO KNOW
THINGS DO TAKE TIME TO DO PROPERLY - AUSTRALIAN LAW HAS IT'S WAYS AND MEANS
CARRY ON WITH THE FUCKWITTERY - YOUR OWN DECISIONS CREATE YOUR OWN KARMA
Nothing to do with me. It's an EK thing.
(shrug)
Henosis Sage
May 25, 2015, 6:01:56 AM5/25/15
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On Monday, 25 May 2015 13:44:47 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:
RE: ".....I can keep this up for years, I have absolutely NO problem with it,
and this is why I so do NOT care about your opinions or beliefs, they
are negligible at best! Anything else to say seanella??? "
YES
are negligible at best! Anything else to say seanella??? "
Psychopathy - being the quintessential manifestation of the path of non-Being,
Entropy, Destruction, and Evil in Third Density, that is, the level of humanity. As
Psychopathy represents the epitome of human Evil, psychopaths may properly be
defined as disguised and hidden predators living among and working against the rest of
unsuspecting humanity. Psychopaths utterly lack conscience and feel no guilt or
remorse for their actions, no matter how heinous or revolting.
Kinpa
May 25, 2015, 9:38:35 AM5/25/15
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Kinpa
May 25, 2015, 9:40:44 AM5/25/15
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Kinpa
May 25, 2015, 10:12:22 AM5/25/15
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Can't handle the truth is why! Show me the proof that what I said about Neville is wrong! You can't because you have nothing, and in fact because YOU talk so much shit that isn't true and is a lie, only you ACT as if it is true and insist that it is, yet you don't seem to do any reading at all to back it up! What's the problem? Selective reading?? Selective attention? Unwilling to admit or post anything that show you're wrong? LOL
Neville's interpretation of the Bible ALSO came to him via Abdullah the Rabbi! Neville did not ever originate his teachings, and he says so himself! DEAL WITH IT!!!!!!!!!!!
Kinpa
May 25, 2015, 10:16:00 AM5/25/15
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Kinpa
May 25, 2015, 11:59:52 AM5/25/15
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From http://nevillegoddard.wwwhubs.com/
" Under unusual circumstances, he met a black Jew, named Abdullah, who lectured on Christianity. Neville went to hear him, somewhat under protest, to satisfy the constant urging of a friend, "Whose judgment I did not respect," Neville said, "because he made such poor financial investments."
Then direct;y to Neville's own words about himself and Abdullah:
'"Abdullah taught me Hebrew, he taught me The Kabbalah, and he taught me more about real Christianity than anyone I ever met," Neville declared.'
Right there, in Neville's own words, he states WHERE he got his teachings from, and being that Abdullah happened to be a Rabbi, the interpretations of Biblical scripture that Neville spoke of in all of his books and lectures, came from Abdullah!
Still going to insist that I am making this up? Have you gone and searched for ANY information, especially that coming directly from Neville himself, that proves my assterion wrong? And notice that this link describes him as a New Thought Teacher, as I said yesterday....ALL of his sources were written long before he was born, and the interpretations of those scriptures he received from Abdullah. Lesson over! If you are so prideful as to be unable to admit that you were wrong, then feel free to hurl insults and names as you always do!
You and Richie both seem to have an extreme prejudice against ANY view that shows you to be wrong, but you ARE wrong just the same! Nothing will ever change that FACT!
Kinpa
May 25, 2015, 7:14:24 PM5/25/15
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Kinpa
May 25, 2015, 7:30:58 PM5/25/15
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Henosis Sage
May 25, 2015, 11:06:03 PM5/25/15
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RE: "....but you ARE a criminal so it is well known that you are active with
many illegal pursuits..."
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/JjM1TNIcPIw/xcbZPUoWVNsJ
RE: "You have had two Yale professors looking in on this, and they shake their
heads at the delusion you both insist upon! Thanks SO much for this
neverending ammunition to use against you both!"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/wKi6bnHz8G4/OmlPX6VXjm0J
neverending ammunition to use against you both!"
RE: ".....I can keep this up for years, I have absolutely NO problem with it,
and this is why I so do NOT care about your opinions or beliefs, they
are negligible at best! Anything else to say seanella??? "
Kinpa
May 26, 2015, 12:39:18 AM5/26/15
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Henosis Sage
May 26, 2015, 2:58:50 AM5/26/15
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YOU MADE THE CLAIMS / ASSERTIONS ABOUT NEVILLE .. THAT EVERY WORD HE GOT FROM ANOTHER.
YOUR CLAIM THEN YOU BACK IT UP WITH EVIDENCE - BUT YOU HAVE NONE AND CAN'T.
IN THE MEANTIME YOU'RE STILL A VILE DOG
RE: "....but you ARE a criminal so it is well known that you are active with
many illegal pursuits..."
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/JjM1TNIcPIw/xcbZPUoWVNsJ
RE: "You have had two Yale professors looking in on this, and they shake their
heads at the delusion you both insist upon! Thanks SO much for this
neverending ammunition to use against you both!"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/wKi6bnHz8G4/OmlPX6VXjm0J
LOL...It certainly seems as if he is, regardless of his words!"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/UjLPCf47M_w/2fdntHskUCcJ
RE: "I am not the insane on, YOU are, and you continually prove this daily!
Keep going seanella! We're all watching!"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/NGpI3f7axKY/ZNtfi_zVmycJ
RE: ".....I can keep this up for years, I have absolutely NO problem with it,
and this is why I so do NOT care about your opinions or beliefs, they
are negligible at best! Anything else to say seanella??? "
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/wKi6bnHz8G4/r7u0tx-GJqwJ
Psychopathy - being the quintessential manifestation of the path of non-Being,
Entropy, Destruction, and Evil in Third Density, that is, the level of humanity. As
Psychopathy represents the epitome of human Evil, psychopaths may properly be
defined as disguised and hidden predators living among and working against the rest of
unsuspecting humanity. Psychopaths utterly lack conscience and feel no guilt or
remorse for their actions, no matter how heinous or revolting.
Kinpa
May 26, 2015, 9:26:57 AM5/26/15
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Henosis Sage
May 26, 2015, 11:31:33 PM5/26/15
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KINPOA YOU ARW A DUMB FUCK
RE: "Actually you are quite wrong, I never said that he plagiarised,"
I NEVER SAID YOU SAID HE PLAGIARISED IDIOT DOLT!!!
SO I REPEAT WHAT I SAID ....
YOU MADE THE CLAIMS / ASSERTIONS ABOUT NEVILLE
YOUR CLAIM THEN YOU BACK IT UP WITH EVIDENCE - BUT YOU HAVE NONE AND CAN'T.
IN THE MEANTIME YOU'RE STILL A VILE DOG
- A DELUDED FOOL FROM ECKANKAR HEAD FUCKING BS -
Henosis Sage
May 26, 2015, 11:48:19 PM5/26/15
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MORE DELUSION PSYCHOSIS AT PLAY
RE: "....I have proven my point, how about you start proving your own, that
Neville DIDN'T have a teacher and that his teachings did NOT originate in
texts that are thousands of years old..."
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/wKi6bnHz8G4/PT5pIGg3c3QJ
texts that are thousands of years old..."
YOU ARE CLEARLY INSANE - I NEVER SAID ANYTHING OF THE KIND - I HAVE NO POINT TO PROVE BECAUSE I NEVER MADE ANY CLAIM EXCEPT THAT YOU ARE WRONG AND SERIOUSLY FUCKED UP.
THIS IS WHAT YOU SAID DICK HEAD ::
MATT SHARPE MADE THE CLAIMS / ASSERTIONS ABOUT NEVILLE ...
THAT EVERY WORD HE GOT FROM ANOTHER... "and ill further point out
that Neville Goddard got every single word from elsewhere himself,
whether by imagination, copying in any way, or just plain personal
experimentation and experience, he literally cant claim to own the
words or concepts contained in his books, they simply are NOT
his....and any spiritual discovery made by him (just for example) is
not a new one in the general sense, it may be new to him, but he
wouldnt be the first to realize it, so he doesnt own it....."
YOU HAVE TO PROVE ALL THOSE CLAIMS!!!
whether by imagination, copying in any way, or just plain personal
experimentation and experience, he literally cant claim to own the
words or concepts contained in his books, they simply are NOT
his....and any spiritual discovery made by him (just for example) is
not a new one in the general sense, it may be new to him, but he
wouldnt be the first to realize it, so he doesnt own it....."
- AND HAVE NOT - SO, PISS OFF.
IT'S YOUR CLAIMS SO YOU HAVE TO BACK IT UP WITH EVIDENCE
- BUT YOU HAVE NONE AND CAN'T BACK UP YOUR LUDICROUS COMMENTS
IN THE MEANTIME YOU'RE STILL A PROVEN LIAR WITH ZERO INTEGRITY
Kinpa
May 27, 2015, 12:07:03 AM5/27/15
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Kinpa
May 27, 2015, 12:09:32 AM5/27/15
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Kinpa
May 27, 2015, 12:29:21 AM5/27/15
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Henosis Sage
May 27, 2015, 6:06:49 AM5/27/15
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KINPAPADAM SAID:
"Actually you are quite wrong, I never said that he plagiarised, your prejudice caused you to perceive it as if I had, but that was not actually what I said dolt..."
NOOOOOOOOOO YOUR DELUSIONS TOLD YOU I SAID YOU SAID HE PLAGIARISED ..
BUT FUCK MATTILDA .. I DID NOT !!!!
YOU ARE NUTS .. NOT ME !!!
BYE!
alt.religion.eckankar ›
As If Munchausen's Syndrome weren't Enough, Sean Also Has...
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/UjLPCf47M_w/eCA_x84EQ1kJ
DOH !!!
Schadenfreude (/'???d?nfr??d?/; German: ['?a?dn??f????d?] ( listen)) is pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others.[1] This word is taken from German and literally means "harm-joy". It is the feeling of joy or pleasure when one sees another fail or suffer misfortune. It is also borrowed by some other languages. An English term of similar meaning (but with no noun equivalent) is "to gloat"; which means to feel, or express, great, often malicious, pleasure, or self-satisfaction, at one's own success, or at another's failure.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude
RE: "....but you ARE a criminal so it is well known that you are active with
many illegal pursuits..."
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/JjM1TNIcPIw/xcbZPUoWVNsJ
RE: "You have had two Yale professors looking in on this, and they shake their
heads at the delusion you both insist upon! Thanks SO much for this
neverending ammunition to use against you both!"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/wKi6bnHz8G4/OmlPX6VXjm0J
RE: "Every person that has read his rants here in the last 3 days asks if he is gay
LOL...It certainly seems as if he is, regardless of his words!"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/UjLPCf47M_w/2fdntHskUCcJ
RE: "I am not the insane on, YOU are, and you continually prove this daily!
Keep going seanella! We're all watching!"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/NGpI3f7axKY/ZNtfi_zVmycJ
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/c5wLh-LbL3E/W2IhyME6z_8J
(shrug)
Idiot!
Henosis Sage
May 27, 2015, 6:09:22 AM5/27/15
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maybe you are the drunk one?
RE: "No, I do NOT have to prove what is common sense! NO ONE can own an IDEA!
Nowhere on earth is there a law enabling ANYONE to own an idea! "
SO FUCKING WHAT?
THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE - NOTHING LIKE IT - WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE WAS
CRAP UNTRUE ILLOGICAL BULLSHIT !!!
(shrug)
WHY DO INSIST ON CONTINUALLY LYING ABOUT THINGS YOU SAY I HAVE DONE, OR SAID?
WHY DO YOU PUBLISH TO THE WHOLE WORLD THAT I "am a criminal" WHEN I AM NOT?
WHAT INSANITY AND DELSUIONS MAKE YOU BELIEVE YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO CLAIM ALL THE ENDLESS LIES
YOU KEEP SPEWING ABOUT ME?
ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE OR WHAT MATT SHARPE?
Do you even understand the question?
FUCK OFF, seriously!
You're an idiot.
I have been telling you and showing you the EVIDENCE FOR THIS FACT
since last Sept 2014.
Kinpa
May 27, 2015, 9:56:12 AM5/27/15
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Etznab
May 27, 2015, 10:54:22 AM5/27/15
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Did you get that straight from the "hive mind"?
Already I read about how you brought forth some pretty stupid ideas here and I would say that this is probably because you don't own them. That is, you never did really own the ideas and so you were helpless to do anything about them :)
So I have to ask then. Are your ideas being implanted in your head, or are they being programmed there?
Seriously. Are you BORG and have no ability to own the ideas in your head to the extent of having an opinion, or affecting them in any way? In other words, the ideas that you possess and own ... are you their master, or their slave?
I don't believe that you don't possess, or own the ideas and ideals that you see. I think that you do possess and own them. Including the pseudo history & religion that are not reality, but deceptive appearances. And also the denial, I believe you own and possess that too!
When Eckankar critics started coming out with truths that were not being shared with everybody by Eckankar - plagiarisms and Paul having made stuff up, etc. - those individuals were also trying to share the truth. However, the truth has a threatening affect on certain religious dogmas because why, Kinpa? Because the truth was sacrificed to create the very pseudo man-made history and religions to begin with!
I think we all know the negative stereotypes attached to David Lane, to Ford Johnson and others in an effort to discredit not only them, but the truths which they labored to share. I think it is not much different what certain of the Eckankar members have done on this group, including you, by attacking other people when they echo certain truths that could expose the pseudo history and religion. Instead of acknowledging truth, like observable facts, no matter the source, it's like people are put on a blacklist and and that blackness begins to be associated with everything they say. In other words, there is then a very real attempt to cover up the truth and to black it out. Since the truth will not be mocked, the effort then is to smear the person(s) sharing it and to try and black them out. This is what I believe you have participated in doing here at a.r.e. I've known your name from years ago, but did not see you become as nasty as here over the past months. At times I even questioned if it was really you, or if someone was using your name.
There are some uncertainties when looking at other people's writings and the stories that they tell. In the attempt to discern fiction from fact and to know whether pseudo history / religion as created, or implanted. However, there is a clear record in black and white about what Paul Twitchell and Eckankar wrote. And there is also a clear record about what other people wrote and published before paul Twitchell and Eckankar. So whether you like it or not there is the very real possibility to study this phenomenon and determine whether fictions were created in the process, including fictional masters that others then came to believe in as real.
Etznab
May 27, 2015, 11:24:25 AM5/27/15
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Can you imagine that? Kinpa?
Can you consider that possibility?
If it be true that Paul made up some things, including having created fictional imaginary characters from plagiarized words, then what is so wrong with that?
See what I'm saying?
Because I would suggest that "what's wrong with that" is that people either can't, or just won't admit it! That is what is wrong with that.
If I were a betting person I would guess that you are holding the losing hand and that evidences exist to prove that certain fictions were created and only you and I have not seen all of them yet.
Did you ever consider that all the evidence has not been revealed? Because this is what I already considered over ten years ago and so I'm probably way ahead of you as far as being near the truth.
Kinpa
May 27, 2015, 11:56:54 AM5/27/15
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You have NO proof that ANY Masters are fictional, and THAT is the problem, you state that as if it were a proven fact when it is NOT! See it? Your extreme attachment to an idea and how you are chhained to it? It couldn't be any more obvious at all! Now get ready for a concept that is truly alien to you (in keeping with your Star Trek theme) You can insist and believe whatever in the world you would like to, however, anyone can see how you present a case with NO evidence! It will never work that way!
Call a lawyer and ask for a free consultation and present your premise along with your "evidence", and they will tell you that while things might SEEM one way or the other, you reached that point by making leaps and jumps that have no evidence to prove them, and therefore you have no direct evidence to support your claim, your OPINION, which is a supposition and is NOT fact!
If you want to write Eckankar and demand Rebazar's DNA sample, hey, by all means feel free to do that...if that were as strong an idea as you seem to believe it to be, I guess they would have to respond wouldn't they? The only other option is that the idea is fine as a personal opinion, but there is nothing that goes any further than that, meaning you can't do or say anything that makes ANY difference...I realize it is very important to you on the basis of gaining some sense of self-worth, however that is merely one of those chains I spoke of....you might alsi feel free to consider freeing yourself from those.
For all of the years you have been chasing this dead horse, have you noticed that you have gained no followers? I see no growing list of people rushing in here to talk with you about it, but on the other hand it isn't as if you are presenting anything new at all! It's the SAME stuff as it ever was, you have a penchant for repetition I guess....That is fine by me, it causes me no problems, but you will want to watch your mouth when ranting and accusing others, you are NOT doing yourself any favors and you certainly are not increasing your credibility any....
Henosis Sage
May 27, 2015, 11:58:43 AM5/27/15
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On Thursday, 28 May 2015 00:54:22 UTC+10, Etznab wrote:
> Kinpa writes: "NO ONE can own an IDEA!"
>
> Did you get that straight from the "hive mind"?
>
> Already I read about how you brought forth some pretty stupid ideas here and I would say that this is probably because you don't own them. That is, you never did really own the ideas and so you were helpless to do anything about them :)
>
> So I have to ask then. Are your ideas being implanted in your head, or are they being programmed there?
>
> Seriously. Are you BORG and have no ability to own the ideas in your head to the extent of having an opinion, or affecting them in any way? In other words, the ideas that you possess and own ... are you their master, or their slave?
>
> I don't believe that you don't possess, or own the ideas and ideals that you see. I think that you do possess and own them. Including the pseudo history & religion that are not reality, but deceptive appearances. And also the denial, I believe you own and possess that too!
>
> When Eckankar critics started coming out with truths that were not being shared with everybody by Eckankar - plagiarisms and Paul having made stuff up, etc. - those individuals were also trying to share the truth. However, the truth has a threatening affect on certain religious dogmas because why, Kinpa? Because the truth was sacrificed to create the very pseudo man-made history and religions to begin with!
>
> I think we all know the negative stereotypes attached to David Lane, to Ford Johnson and others in an effort to discredit not only them, but the truths which they labored to share. I think it is not much different what certain of the Eckankar members have done on this group, including you, by attacking other people when they echo certain truths that could expose the pseudo history and religion. Instead of acknowledging truth, like observable facts, no matter the source, it's like people are put on a blacklist and and that blackness begins to be associated with everything they say. In other words, there is then a very real attempt to cover up the truth and to black it out. Since the truth will not be mocked, the effort then is to smear the person(s) sharing it and to try and black them out. This is what I believe you have participated in doing here at a.r.e. I've known your name from years ago, but did not see you become as nasty as here over the past months. At times I even questioned if it was really you, or if someone was using your name.
>
> There are some uncertainties when looking at other people's writings and the stories that they tell. In the attempt to discern fiction from fact and to know whether pseudo history / religion as created, or implanted. However, there is a clear record in black and white about what Paul Twitchell and Eckankar wrote. And there is also a clear record about what other people wrote and published before paul Twitchell and Eckankar. So whether you like it or not there is the very real possibility to study this phenomenon and determine whether fictions were created in the process, including fictional masters that others then came to believe in as real.
-----------------------------
> Kinpa writes: "NO ONE can own an IDEA!"
>
> Did you get that straight from the "hive mind"?
>
> Already I read about how you brought forth some pretty stupid ideas here and I would say that this is probably because you don't own them. That is, you never did really own the ideas and so you were helpless to do anything about them :)
>
> So I have to ask then. Are your ideas being implanted in your head, or are they being programmed there?
>
> Seriously. Are you BORG and have no ability to own the ideas in your head to the extent of having an opinion, or affecting them in any way? In other words, the ideas that you possess and own ... are you their master, or their slave?
>
> I don't believe that you don't possess, or own the ideas and ideals that you see. I think that you do possess and own them. Including the pseudo history & religion that are not reality, but deceptive appearances. And also the denial, I believe you own and possess that too!
>
> When Eckankar critics started coming out with truths that were not being shared with everybody by Eckankar - plagiarisms and Paul having made stuff up, etc. - those individuals were also trying to share the truth. However, the truth has a threatening affect on certain religious dogmas because why, Kinpa? Because the truth was sacrificed to create the very pseudo man-made history and religions to begin with!
>
> I think we all know the negative stereotypes attached to David Lane, to Ford Johnson and others in an effort to discredit not only them, but the truths which they labored to share. I think it is not much different what certain of the Eckankar members have done on this group, including you, by attacking other people when they echo certain truths that could expose the pseudo history and religion. Instead of acknowledging truth, like observable facts, no matter the source, it's like people are put on a blacklist and and that blackness begins to be associated with everything they say. In other words, there is then a very real attempt to cover up the truth and to black it out. Since the truth will not be mocked, the effort then is to smear the person(s) sharing it and to try and black them out. This is what I believe you have participated in doing here at a.r.e. I've known your name from years ago, but did not see you become as nasty as here over the past months. At times I even questioned if it was really you, or if someone was using your name.
>
> There are some uncertainties when looking at other people's writings and the stories that they tell. In the attempt to discern fiction from fact and to know whether pseudo history / religion as created, or implanted. However, there is a clear record in black and white about what Paul Twitchell and Eckankar wrote. And there is also a clear record about what other people wrote and published before paul Twitchell and Eckankar. So whether you like it or not there is the very real possibility to study this phenomenon and determine whether fictions were created in the process, including fictional masters that others then came to believe in as real.
RE "However, there is a clear record in black and white about what Paul
Twitchell and Eckankar wrote. And there is also a clear record about
what other people wrote and published before paul Twitchell and Eckankar."
Yes. True.
what other people wrote and published before paul Twitchell and Eckankar."
RE: "This is what I believe you have participated in doing here at a.r.e.
I've known your name from years ago, but did not see you become as nasty
as here over the past months."
Yes. True.
as here over the past months."
RE: "read about how you brought forth some pretty stupid ideas here "
Yes. That's so true too!
Doug M also had a cognitive dissonance where he could not read what was written. Somehow he inserted his own words / interpretations of what was
said and what words meant or didn't mean all by his self. Too Weird for me.
This twat accuses me of using the word 'plagiarise' re Neville, when I didn't.
He used the word himself by accusing me. and then denies he did so. Waaaay to
out there for me.
Kinpa
May 27, 2015, 12:05:59 PM5/27/15
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Henosis Sage
May 27, 2015, 12:16:35 PM5/27/15
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RE: "You have NO proof that ANY Masters are fictional"
Can't prove a negative = irrelevant distraction = Sophistry
The truth is no one has ANY proof that ANY "ECK" Masters are REAL
"Plato sought to separate the Sophist from the Philosopher.
Where a Sophist was a person who makes his living through
deception, a philosopher was a lover of wisdom who sought
truth."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophism#Sophists_of_ancient_Greece
Henosis Sage
May 27, 2015, 1:22:26 PM5/27/15
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---------
WHY DO INSIST ON CONTINUALLY LYING ABOUT THINGS YOU SAY I HAVE DONE, OR SAID?
WHY DO YOU PUBLISH TO THE WHOLE WORLD THAT I "am a criminal" WHEN I AM NOT?
WHAT INSANITY AND DELSUIONS MAKE YOU BELIEVE YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO CLAIM ALL THE ENDLESS LIES
YOU KEEP SPEWING ABOUT ME?
ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE OR WHAT MATT SHARPE?
Do you even understand the question?
FUCK OFF, seriously!
You're an idiot.
I have been telling you and showing you the EVIDENCE FOR THIS FACT
since last Sept 2014.
----------------
RE: "....but you ARE a criminal so it is well known that you are active with
many illegal pursuits..."
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/JjM1TNIcPIw/xcbZPUoWVNsJ
RE: "You have had two Yale professors looking in on this, and they shake their
heads at the delusion you both insist upon! Thanks SO much for this
neverending ammunition to use against you both!"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/wKi6bnHz8G4/OmlPX6VXjm0J
RE: "....but you ARE a criminal so it is well known that you are active with
many illegal pursuits..."
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/JjM1TNIcPIw/xcbZPUoWVNsJ
RE: "You have had two Yale professors looking in on this, and they shake their
heads at the delusion you both insist upon! Thanks SO much for this
neverending ammunition to use against you both!"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/wKi6bnHz8G4/OmlPX6VXjm0J
RE: "Every person that has read his rants here in the last 3 days asks if he is gay
LOL...It certainly seems as if he is, regardless of his words!"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/UjLPCf47M_w/2fdntHskUCcJ
RE: "I am not the insane on, YOU are, and you continually prove this daily!
Keep going seanella! We're all watching!"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/NGpI3f7axKY/ZNtfi_zVmycJ
LOL...It certainly seems as if he is, regardless of his words!"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/UjLPCf47M_w/2fdntHskUCcJ
RE: "I am not the insane on, YOU are, and you continually prove this daily!
Keep going seanella! We're all watching!"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/NGpI3f7axKY/ZNtfi_zVmycJ
RE: "How about your poltergeist???"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/c5wLh-LbL3E/W2IhyME6z_8J
RE: "There is no Kinpakar, however, that is also religious persecution
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/c5wLh-LbL3E/W2IhyME6z_8J
under Federal mandates! "
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/uIhQ3M-dM7U/AJrFFuZCgn8J
RE: "....keep crying seanella, it couldn;t be more obvious that you are
disturbed by me...and might be somewhat gay as well... "
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/NGpI3f7axKY/pKMSLChuYcoJ
RE: "They DO watch every bit of it however, that is how so many witnessed your
deleting threads yesterday...you must've gotten scared."
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/UjLPCf47M_w/4DO_0R4uH70J
Kinpa
May 27, 2015, 1:58:37 PM5/27/15
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Kinpa
May 27, 2015, 1:59:39 PM5/27/15
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Etznab
May 27, 2015, 3:19:00 PM5/27/15
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Etznab
Aug 9, 2015, 8:12:08 PM8/9/15
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It looks like you forgot a couple things. For one, Paul Twitchell also said that he had a teacher. I can prove this because it was written in a book! What I can't prove, however, is that Rebazar Tarzs was real. Especially when the historical legacy and narrative consists of widespread plagiarisms. Secondly, it was not denied that Paul Twitchell and Eckankar teachings borrowed from, copied, paraphrased or plagiarized from other sources. At issue is the real, versus the fictional sources that Paul (or Eckankar) claimed to draw from.
Etznab
Aug 9, 2015, 8:19:07 PM8/9/15
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On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 9:12:22 AM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 10:01:56 AM UTC, Henosis Sage wrote:
> > > Actually, preposterous is more accurate when applied to you and your comments, none of which you are able to prove, including your comments to me about Neville Goddard being the source of his teachings, and those NOT having come from any previous source....you have been very firmly proven %100 wrong about that,and about me and what I say....would you like to keep going? It might be a good idea to put down the etymology dictionaries and doing some actual research on the matters at hand, rather than endlessly displaying your definite prejudices and lack of information that you CLAIM (falsely) to KNOW....there fore it is YOU that actually believes the preposterous garbage YOU talk, and yes, that IS even worse, especially when you have been proven to be SO wrong and SO ignorant of the source of so many pieces of information.....I can keep this up for years, I have absolutely NO problem with it, and this is why I so do NOT care about your opinions or beliefs, they are negligible at best!
>
> Can't handle the truth is why! Show me the proof that what I said about Neville is wrong! You can't because you have nothing, and in fact because YOU talk so much shit that isn't true and is a lie, only you ACT as if it is true and insist that it is, yet you don't seem to do any reading at all to back it up! What's the problem? Selective reading?? Selective attention? Unwilling to admit or post anything that show you're wrong? LOL
>
> Neville's interpretation of the Bible ALSO came to him via Abdullah the Rabbi! Neville did not ever originate his teachings, and he says so himself! DEAL WITH IT!!!!!!!!!!!
So what about where Neville said he got his teachings. It is a distraction from why didn't Paul Twitchell simply credit Neville.
One could argue that - looking at the earlier writings - Paul Twitchell, like Neville, Like Julian Johnson and others DID reference Jesus and the Bible. At issue is the question of Why did Paul Twitchell change the name of his sources? Why replace Jesus and other people with names of Eck Masters? Why change the name of Holy Bible to Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad?
> On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 10:01:56 AM UTC, Henosis Sage wrote:
> > >
> > > Anything else to say seanella???
> >
> > ----------------
> > > Anything else to say seanella???
> >
> >
> > RE: ".....I can keep this up for years, I have absolutely NO problem with it,
> > and this is why I so do NOT care about your opinions or beliefs, they
> > are negligible at best! Anything else to say seanella??? "
> >
> > YES
> > RE: ".....I can keep this up for years, I have absolutely NO problem with it,
> > and this is why I so do NOT care about your opinions or beliefs, they
> > are negligible at best! Anything else to say seanella??? "
> >
> >
> > Psychopathy - being the quintessential manifestation of the path of non-Being,
> > Entropy, Destruction, and Evil in Third Density, that is, the level of humanity. As
> > Psychopathy represents the epitome of human Evil, psychopaths may properly be
> > defined as disguised and hidden predators living among and working against the rest of
> > unsuspecting humanity. Psychopaths utterly lack conscience and feel no guilt or
> > remorse for their actions, no matter how heinous or revolting.
>
> And still no defense about Neville Goddard? How about YOU prove to ME that Neviile's teachings did NOT come from anyone or tradition before he wrote about them! I would love to see that being that no such evidence exists! C'mon tough guy, you like to call names and ridicule others so often, why is it that you dislike it so much when anyone gives you a dose of your own medicine?
> > Psychopathy - being the quintessential manifestation of the path of non-Being,
> > Entropy, Destruction, and Evil in Third Density, that is, the level of humanity. As
> > Psychopathy represents the epitome of human Evil, psychopaths may properly be
> > defined as disguised and hidden predators living among and working against the rest of
> > unsuspecting humanity. Psychopaths utterly lack conscience and feel no guilt or
> > remorse for their actions, no matter how heinous or revolting.
>
>
> Can't handle the truth is why! Show me the proof that what I said about Neville is wrong! You can't because you have nothing, and in fact because YOU talk so much shit that isn't true and is a lie, only you ACT as if it is true and insist that it is, yet you don't seem to do any reading at all to back it up! What's the problem? Selective reading?? Selective attention? Unwilling to admit or post anything that show you're wrong? LOL
>
> Neville's interpretation of the Bible ALSO came to him via Abdullah the Rabbi! Neville did not ever originate his teachings, and he says so himself! DEAL WITH IT!!!!!!!!!!!
So what about where Neville said he got his teachings. It is a distraction from why didn't Paul Twitchell simply credit Neville.
One could argue that - looking at the earlier writings - Paul Twitchell, like Neville, Like Julian Johnson and others DID reference Jesus and the Bible. At issue is the question of Why did Paul Twitchell change the name of his sources? Why replace Jesus and other people with names of Eck Masters? Why change the name of Holy Bible to Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad?
Etznab
Aug 9, 2015, 8:34:47 PM8/9/15
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Abdullah was also mentioned in Neville's 1954 book: Awakened
Imagination.
http://www.archive.org/stream/AwakenedImagination/Neville_awakenedImagination#page/n0/mode/2up
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Etznab
Aug 9, 2015, 8:38:31 PM8/9/15
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On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 6:30:58 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 11:14:24 PM UTC, Kinpa wrote:
> > On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 3:59:52 PM UTC, Kinpa wrote:
> On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 11:14:24 PM UTC, Kinpa wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 4:56:34 AM UTC, Henosis Sage wrote:
> > > > > More evidence of seanella having Munchausen's Syndrome..he is wholly unable to NOT diagnose other's mental states based on nothing more than HIS opinion of that person. This repeated behavior shoes a definite expression of Munchausen's where the person affected tries in every way possible, to list sources outside of themselves as an excuse for the symptoms....nothing more than an attempt to draw any attention away from himself.
> > > > >
> > > > > On the other hand, he is absolutely unable to prove that what I talk is "garbage" as he calls it. The simple fact is, that he has no understanding of any spiritual principles regardless of what system or religion they might have sprung from....he is nothing more than an internet "scholar" and one that doesn't actually do the work of reading nearly as much as he claims to. Understanding of what is read is another matter entirely, one he does not excel at, however, he IS welcomed to have his own opinion, even if he refuses to recognize that it is simply an opinion and has absolutely NO other value to anyone other than himself.....sad really, but that is his problem, not mine!
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, as to Neville Goddard having gotten his teachings from sources before him, I will again name the Torah, the Bible, and the Kabbalah...any who doubt these references have obviously read no great amount of Neville's writings, nor heard his lectures, being that he spoke using lines and references from these works often. Other than that there is NO doubt that he gained what he taught from his teacher Abdullah, an Ethiopian Jewish Rabbi. In Neville's lecture A Lesson In Scripture he tells the story of how he met this man and came to accept him as his teacher.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.law-of-attraction-haven.com/support-files/a-lesson-in-scripture.pdf
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is an excerpt of that lecture, which also points out a great many examples of the SAME teachings he taught, in Bible verses! Imagine that! I've once again proven seanella wrong!
> > > > >
> > > > > I came into the world completely forgetful of the being that I AM. I had to. When I first met my friend Abdullah back in 1931 I entered a room where he was speaking and when the speech was ended he came over, extended his hand and said: "Neville, you are six months late." I had never seen the man before, so I said: "I am six months late? How do you know me?" and he replied: "The brothers told me that you were coming and you are six months late."
> > > > >
> > > > > I was late because the one who told me of Abdullah was a Catholic priest. I loved him dearly, but I thought he was almost a moron. His father, a rumrunner in the days of prohibition, left him two million dollars, which he proceeded to lose on Wall Street the first year. The only wonderful thing he did was to take the last $15,000 and give it to a Catholic organization to care for his mother the rest of her earthly days. So, having no respect for his judgment, when he told me about Abdullah I postponed going to hear him until one day I could find no excuse. When Ab called me by name I said: "I don't know you" and he replied: "Oh yes you do, but you have forgotten. We were together in China thousands of years ago, but you promised to completely forget in order to play the part you must play now."
> > > > >
> > > > > Last Friday night a lady gave me a letter saying: "The previous Monday as you stood on the platform I could not see you as Neville, but as an ancient Chinese philosopher. I have seen my friends change from moment to moment, but you remained changed during your entire lecture. This bothered me, so I questioned the experience on the way home and then I remembered. Several years ago in a psychic experience, I was walking up a hill with other students to attend a class. Falling away from the group, I saw an ancient Chinese in a white garment at my side. Beckoning me to follow him, we approached a cave where I saw huge granite stone with a peak at the top. Two hands containing a cocoon covered the top of the stone. Removing the cocoon, the ancient Chinese broke it on the peak of the granite, and water, mixed with colorful oil, came out as life took on the sense of heat rising. Then the ancient Chinese took my hand and led me back to the group, where they had not realized that I had been away. "Now I know whose face you wore last Monday night."
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, that's what Abdullah told me in 1931, but to this day I have no knowledge of it, because I swore in the beginning to empty myself completely of all memory and take on the form of a slave, but to have faith in him who sent me. Now knowing that he and I are one, I have no other place to go but back to myself, the sender. Having played every part I have completely wiped out the memory, but I know that no one can arrive at the end of the road until he has played it all. I do know from my intuitive knowledge that, just as an actor must feel the part he is playing and imagine himself the character he is depicting, you will imagine yourself into every part, and when the play is over for you, the signs will come to show you the being that you really are.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, we have another reference of Neville regarding Abdullah as his teacher, or even "Master" if you wish...In his 1953 lecture "Changing the Feeling of "I"
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.law-of-attraction-haven.com/support-files/changing-the-feeling-of-i-neville-goddard.pdf
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is an exceprt:
> > > > >
> > > > > Neville says "If I were called upon to name a man that I would consider my teacher, I would name Abdullah. I studied with that gentleman for five years."
> > > > >
> > > > > Neville also described Abdullah as "black as the ace of spades" and said that he was very proud of being a negro and didn't want any modification of what God had made him and he would never allow anyone to refer to him as a colored man.
> > > > >
> > > > > Abdullah taught Neville that there was no cause outside of the arrangement of his own mind.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think that is quite enough to have proven my point as being truthful beyond the shadow of a doubt...anyone who refuses to recognize this FACT, is simply choosing delusion over reality. Which are YOU?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > RE "I think that is quite enough to have proven my point as being truthful beyond the shadow of a doubt..."
> > > >
> > > > PROVES NOTHING OF THE KIND - MORE DESPERATE STUPIDITY - YOU HAVE NOTHING BUT
> > > > YOUR EXTREME EXAGGERATIONS AND TOTALLY FALSE CLAIMS ABOUT NEVILLE'S WRITINGS
> > > >
> > > > THE ABOVE PROVES HOW WRONG YOU WERE ALL ALONG. IDIOT, PROBABLY CANNOT REMEMBER WHAT YOU SAID. PSYCHOSES ARE LIKE THAT.
> > > >
> > > > (shrug)
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On the other hand, he is absolutely unable to prove that what I talk is "garbage" as he calls it. The simple fact is, that he has no understanding of any spiritual principles regardless of what system or religion they might have sprung from....he is nothing more than an internet "scholar" and one that doesn't actually do the work of reading nearly as much as he claims to. Understanding of what is read is another matter entirely, one he does not excel at, however, he IS welcomed to have his own opinion, even if he refuses to recognize that it is simply an opinion and has absolutely NO other value to anyone other than himself.....sad really, but that is his problem, not mine!
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, as to Neville Goddard having gotten his teachings from sources before him, I will again name the Torah, the Bible, and the Kabbalah...any who doubt these references have obviously read no great amount of Neville's writings, nor heard his lectures, being that he spoke using lines and references from these works often. Other than that there is NO doubt that he gained what he taught from his teacher Abdullah, an Ethiopian Jewish Rabbi. In Neville's lecture A Lesson In Scripture he tells the story of how he met this man and came to accept him as his teacher.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.law-of-attraction-haven.com/support-files/a-lesson-in-scripture.pdf
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is an excerpt of that lecture, which also points out a great many examples of the SAME teachings he taught, in Bible verses! Imagine that! I've once again proven seanella wrong!
> > > > >
> > > > > I came into the world completely forgetful of the being that I AM. I had to. When I first met my friend Abdullah back in 1931 I entered a room where he was speaking and when the speech was ended he came over, extended his hand and said: "Neville, you are six months late." I had never seen the man before, so I said: "I am six months late? How do you know me?" and he replied: "The brothers told me that you were coming and you are six months late."
> > > > >
> > > > > I was late because the one who told me of Abdullah was a Catholic priest. I loved him dearly, but I thought he was almost a moron. His father, a rumrunner in the days of prohibition, left him two million dollars, which he proceeded to lose on Wall Street the first year. The only wonderful thing he did was to take the last $15,000 and give it to a Catholic organization to care for his mother the rest of her earthly days. So, having no respect for his judgment, when he told me about Abdullah I postponed going to hear him until one day I could find no excuse. When Ab called me by name I said: "I don't know you" and he replied: "Oh yes you do, but you have forgotten. We were together in China thousands of years ago, but you promised to completely forget in order to play the part you must play now."
> > > > >
> > > > > Last Friday night a lady gave me a letter saying: "The previous Monday as you stood on the platform I could not see you as Neville, but as an ancient Chinese philosopher. I have seen my friends change from moment to moment, but you remained changed during your entire lecture. This bothered me, so I questioned the experience on the way home and then I remembered. Several years ago in a psychic experience, I was walking up a hill with other students to attend a class. Falling away from the group, I saw an ancient Chinese in a white garment at my side. Beckoning me to follow him, we approached a cave where I saw huge granite stone with a peak at the top. Two hands containing a cocoon covered the top of the stone. Removing the cocoon, the ancient Chinese broke it on the peak of the granite, and water, mixed with colorful oil, came out as life took on the sense of heat rising. Then the ancient Chinese took my hand and led me back to the group, where they had not realized that I had been away. "Now I know whose face you wore last Monday night."
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, that's what Abdullah told me in 1931, but to this day I have no knowledge of it, because I swore in the beginning to empty myself completely of all memory and take on the form of a slave, but to have faith in him who sent me. Now knowing that he and I are one, I have no other place to go but back to myself, the sender. Having played every part I have completely wiped out the memory, but I know that no one can arrive at the end of the road until he has played it all. I do know from my intuitive knowledge that, just as an actor must feel the part he is playing and imagine himself the character he is depicting, you will imagine yourself into every part, and when the play is over for you, the signs will come to show you the being that you really are.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, we have another reference of Neville regarding Abdullah as his teacher, or even "Master" if you wish...In his 1953 lecture "Changing the Feeling of "I"
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.law-of-attraction-haven.com/support-files/changing-the-feeling-of-i-neville-goddard.pdf
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is an exceprt:
> > > > >
> > > > > Neville says "If I were called upon to name a man that I would consider my teacher, I would name Abdullah. I studied with that gentleman for five years."
> > > > >
> > > > > Neville also described Abdullah as "black as the ace of spades" and said that he was very proud of being a negro and didn't want any modification of what God had made him and he would never allow anyone to refer to him as a colored man.
> > > > >
> > > > > Abdullah taught Neville that there was no cause outside of the arrangement of his own mind.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think that is quite enough to have proven my point as being truthful beyond the shadow of a doubt...anyone who refuses to recognize this FACT, is simply choosing delusion over reality. Which are YOU?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > RE "I think that is quite enough to have proven my point as being truthful beyond the shadow of a doubt..."
> > > >
> > > > PROVES NOTHING OF THE KIND - MORE DESPERATE STUPIDITY - YOU HAVE NOTHING BUT
> > > > YOUR EXTREME EXAGGERATIONS AND TOTALLY FALSE CLAIMS ABOUT NEVILLE'S WRITINGS
> > > >
> > > > THE ABOVE PROVES HOW WRONG YOU WERE ALL ALONG. IDIOT, PROBABLY CANNOT REMEMBER WHAT YOU SAID. PSYCHOSES ARE LIKE THAT.
> > > >
> > > > (shrug)
> > >
> > > Oh really? Hmm..let us further investigate this matter as to Neville Goddard's origins of becoming a mystic....
> > >
> > > From http://nevillegoddard.wwwhubs.com/
> > >
> > > " Under unusual circumstances, he met a black Jew, named Abdullah, who lectured on Christianity. Neville went to hear him, somewhat under protest, to satisfy the constant urging of a friend, "Whose judgment I did not respect," Neville said, "because he made such poor financial investments."
> > >
> > > Then direct;y to Neville's own words about himself and Abdullah:
> > >
> > > '"Abdullah taught me Hebrew, he taught me The Kabbalah, and he taught me more about real Christianity than anyone I ever met," Neville declared.'
> > >
> > > Right there, in Neville's own words, he states WHERE he got his teachings from, and being that Abdullah happened to be a Rabbi, the interpretations of Biblical scripture that Neville spoke of in all of his books and lectures, came from Abdullah!
> > >
> > > Still going to insist that I am making this up? Have you gone and searched for ANY information, especially that coming directly from Neville himself, that proves my assterion wrong? And notice that this link describes him as a New Thought Teacher, as I said yesterday....ALL of his sources were written long before he was born, and the interpretations of those scriptures he received from Abdullah. Lesson over! If you are so prideful as to be unable to admit that you were wrong, then feel free to hurl insults and names as you always do!
> > >
> > > You and Richie both seem to have an extreme prejudice against ANY view that shows you to be wrong, but you ARE wrong just the same! Nothing will ever change that FACT!
> >
> > It is REALLY hilarious the way you BOTH insist that I made this piece of Neville's teaching's history up LMMFAO~! For a "fiction" that I sup;posedly created, it is being reported by EVERY site that carries his lectures, and it is even inside of the books that he wrote! How in the hell did I manage that!??? Damn I'm good! Who is the IDIOT?????
>
> It's not I! You have had two Yale professors looking in on this, and they shake their heads at the delusion you both insist upon! Thanks SO much for this neverending ammunition to use against you both! HILARIOUS~!!!! Did it EVER occur to either of you to look up Neville Goddard's history?? The fact that he had a teacher is anything BUT a secret! You certainly are NOT making yourselves look very smart! PEACE OUT!!!
Why do you act like this Neville information is new to either myself, or Sean? Some excerpts from years ago.
> > >
> > > From http://nevillegoddard.wwwhubs.com/
> > >
> > > " Under unusual circumstances, he met a black Jew, named Abdullah, who lectured on Christianity. Neville went to hear him, somewhat under protest, to satisfy the constant urging of a friend, "Whose judgment I did not respect," Neville said, "because he made such poor financial investments."
> > >
> > > Then direct;y to Neville's own words about himself and Abdullah:
> > >
> > > '"Abdullah taught me Hebrew, he taught me The Kabbalah, and he taught me more about real Christianity than anyone I ever met," Neville declared.'
> > >
> > > Right there, in Neville's own words, he states WHERE he got his teachings from, and being that Abdullah happened to be a Rabbi, the interpretations of Biblical scripture that Neville spoke of in all of his books and lectures, came from Abdullah!
> > >
> > > Still going to insist that I am making this up? Have you gone and searched for ANY information, especially that coming directly from Neville himself, that proves my assterion wrong? And notice that this link describes him as a New Thought Teacher, as I said yesterday....ALL of his sources were written long before he was born, and the interpretations of those scriptures he received from Abdullah. Lesson over! If you are so prideful as to be unable to admit that you were wrong, then feel free to hurl insults and names as you always do!
> > >
> > > You and Richie both seem to have an extreme prejudice against ANY view that shows you to be wrong, but you ARE wrong just the same! Nothing will ever change that FACT!
> >
> > It is REALLY hilarious the way you BOTH insist that I made this piece of Neville's teaching's history up LMMFAO~! For a "fiction" that I sup;posedly created, it is being reported by EVERY site that carries his lectures, and it is even inside of the books that he wrote! How in the hell did I manage that!??? Damn I'm good! Who is the IDIOT?????
>
> It's not I! You have had two Yale professors looking in on this, and they shake their heads at the delusion you both insist upon! Thanks SO much for this neverending ammunition to use against you both! HILARIOUS~!!!! Did it EVER occur to either of you to look up Neville Goddard's history?? The fact that he had a teacher is anything BUT a secret! You certainly are NOT making yourselves look very smart! PEACE OUT!!!
1.)
Quoting from 2012:
- show quoted text -
Neville Goddard, I learned, was not a stranger to people in the 1950s. Just go to YouTube and enter Neville Goddard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtRGkjxTmSs&feature=related
For those who read Paul Twitchell's book, The Key to Eckankar, 1968, featuring Rebazar Tarzs ... have a listen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtRGkjxTmSs&feature=related
Now turn to page 5 of The Key to Eckankar:
http://tinyurl.com/6v7bs9m
Are people suppose to believe that was Rebazar Tarzs speaking to Paul Twitchell?
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Ref.# - 41391720-9790
2.)
About Neville's teacher:
"It was Abdullah who taught Neville how to use the law of consciousness and how to see the Bible psychologically. And as Neville began to see the world as a picture world, projected from within, his faith in himself grew."
http://www.navigatingtheaether.com/neville-goddard/
3.)
Neville writes:
[...] This is why you are told "Let the weak man say, 'I am strong' " (joel 3:10), for by his assumption, the cause-substance - I AM - is rearranged and must, therefore, manifest that which its rearrangement affirms. This principle governs every aspect of your life, be it social,
financial, intellectual, or spiritual.
http://ia600202.us.archive.org/11/items/ThePowerOfAwareness/Neville_ThePowerOfAwareness.pdf
Rebazar Tarzs says:
This is why I told you before, "Let the weak man say, 'I am strong.' " because of his assumption, the cause-substance of I AM is rearranged
and must therefore manifest that which its rearrangement affirms. This principle governs every aspect of your life, be it social, intellectual, or spiritual.
http://tinyurl.com/6v7bs9m
This is a page about Joel 3:10.
http://interlinearbible.org/joel/3-10.htm
This is another link.
Hebrew Transliterated
3:10 KThV 'aThYKM LChUrBVTh VMZMUrThYKM LUrMChYM HChLSh Y'aMUr GBVUr 'aNY.
Latin Vulgate
3:10 concidite aratra vestra in gladios et ligones vestros in lanceas infirmus dicat quia fortis ego sum
King James Version
3:10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.
http://www.hebrewoldtestament.com/B29C003.htm
This link is about the word interpreted "strong".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gevurah
All quotes from the following thread.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.religion.eckankar/abdullah|sort:date/alt.religion.eckankar/9swBBgG0zQM/oEwh_cSYFnMJ
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