Formal Proposal to Add Notice Requirements

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Secretary LNC

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Jan 18, 2023, 11:18:53 PM1/18/23
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See attached.  
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Proposal O - Add Notice Requirements.docx

Paul Bracco

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Jan 23, 2023, 10:15:54 AM1/23/23
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Madam Chair,

I would like to offer the attached amendment to this proposal. My changes are in bold purple, with strikethroughs for removals and underlines for additions.

Sincerely,
Paul Bracco

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Proposal O - Amendment 1 - Add Notice Requirements.docx

Secretary LNC

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Jan 23, 2023, 10:17:41 AM1/23/23
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By a 2/3 vote... the "by" language is the parliamentarily correct language not "with"

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Secretary LNC

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Jan 23, 2023, 10:18:25 AM1/23/23
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I do need to double check some citations however 

Paul Bracco

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Jan 23, 2023, 10:26:01 AM1/23/23
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In that case I would like to offer the attached version of the amendment instead.

Paul Bracco

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Secretary LNC

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Jan 23, 2023, 3:57:39 PM1/23/23
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Mr. Bracco and I spoke this morning, and I am going to incorporate his "at the time of submission" suggestion into my proposal.  He also, if I understood correctly, is going to be working on some draft accompanying amendments to the Convention Rules as the suggestion on how these member submissions would be heard (and I really liked his suggestion) would not go into the bylaws as it in the nature of a rule of order, so the Rules is a more appropriate place and we bounced off some further ideas.  I look forward to seeing what he comes up with.

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Rob Latham

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Apr 20, 2023, 6:21:59 PM4/20/23
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In preparing for tonight's meeting I reviewed this proposal.

I like the idea of articulating a mechanism that allows convention delegates to make proposals outside of the committee process.

That said, based on this committee's votes on previous proposals my sense is that the 25-member threshold (about 2.5% of a convention) may be too low, and am inclined to support a higher number ... like 50 (about 5% of a convention)?

*Convention time is at a premium ... this proposal risks "time suck."

*We have bylaws and rules and platform committees to be more deliberate about these matters, and without consuming an inordinate amount of convention time.

Rob Latham

Secretary LNC

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Apr 20, 2023, 6:24:31 PM4/20/23
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I am open to that.

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Paul Bracco

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Apr 20, 2023, 6:40:45 PM4/20/23
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I had typed up the proposal with the changes to the rules, but I guess I never actually sent it to the list, apologies! That's attached here, I've maintained the purple markup color to differentiate what I'm doing from the original proposal.

Paul Bracco

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Proposal O v2 - Notice Requirements and Rules for Member-Submitted Proposals.docx

Rob Latham

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Apr 20, 2023, 7:01:20 PM4/20/23
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Thank you, Paul.

Also note that Proposal O has this language:  "Any platform plank may be deleted by a majority vote." 

That language seems to conflict with the two-thirds threshold for platform deletions this committee passed on January 26th with Proposal E (I still favor 4/7ths ;-) ).

Note that Proposal O proposes to make this change to Article 17 of the Bylaws. Proposal E touches on Article 3 of the Bylaws.

Rob Latham

Paul Bracco

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Apr 20, 2023, 7:25:29 PM4/20/23
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That's true, I might have to lean on the parliamentary big brains among us on this one. I this this proposal should be as close to agnostic to the outcome of Proposal E as it can be, but there's a lot of moving parts here and I'm not sure of the best way to make them fit together.

I've attached a version of this which addresses Article 3 as currently written (Proposal E aside), it also incorporates the 50 sustaining member minimum.

I've also added a proviso to delay the change taking effect until the end of the convention in case adopting this would then somehow restrict whatever is left on our report from being heard I thought it would be good to add. If there's no need for this I've got no issue with it being struck.

Paul Bracco

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Proposal O v2 - Notice Requirements and Rules for Member-Submitted Proposals.docx

Secretary LNC

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Apr 20, 2023, 8:15:34 PM4/20/23
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Proposals need to be as agnostic as possible to other proposals.  As we get closer we will make these priority and dependence decisions.

 

David Roberson

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Apr 20, 2023, 8:41:25 PM4/20/23
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Is the town hall still happening?

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Dean Rodgers

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Apr 20, 2023, 8:42:22 PM4/20/23
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Good question.  It was announced to start at 8:30pm.

 

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Sylvia Arrowwood

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Apr 20, 2023, 10:59:13 PM4/20/23
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Town Hall segment ended at approximately 10:15 ET.
It was announced as 8:15 which was Colorado or Mountain
Time.  All times in minutes are shown as ET.


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Sylvia Arrowwood

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Apr 20, 2023, 11:05:09 PM4/20/23
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Saw that 8:30 too.  Was on line at 8:30 but Town Hall
segment started at 8:45 ET.  Town Hall ended at 10:15 ET.
Regular portion of Meeting started at 10:15 and continued
through 10:50 ET.

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Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 8:42:17 PM
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Secretary LNC

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Apr 20, 2023, 11:09:12 PM4/20/23
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I think that was an artifact from when we initially starting at 6:30pm mountain but switched to 6:45pm since it takes me more than an hour to get home from work.

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