The nadir of thought
Euro
corrupt regime were not too high a price."
"I find that some who STILL oppose the coalition actions, do so simply in an
ego-driven, concrete-headed inability to admit that things have not worked
out as badly as first imagined."
"I am not euphoric about the current situation... it is a mess... an
upheaval of change. All revolutions are. But, I believe we have reached the
nadir in Iraq, and believe things can only get better from this moment on,
for the ordinary Iraqi."
From:
www.google.com/groups?selm=6r19av03bai69kjpo...@4ax.com
Date: April 22nd, 2003
-------------------------------------------------
Iraq has reached the nadir for 6 months now, and the one who wrote the lines
above is undoubtedly the nadir of thought, for having imagined that history
could be stopped in April 2003.
Euro
A Planet Visitor
>"Now it appears to me that the coalition efforts to remove Saddam and his
>corrupt regime were not too high a price."
>
Clearly, my opinion, my little fascist friend.
>"I find that some who STILL oppose the coalition actions, do so simply in an
>ego-driven, concrete-headed inability to admit that things have not worked
>out as badly as first imagined."
>
Clearly, my opinion, my little fascist friend. Followed by words that you deceptively
clip -- "Some seem to be simply unhappy to see Saddam go. Believing
the Iraqi was _better off_ with him in power." Look in that mirror, euro... and see
YOURSELF... "unhappy to see Saddam go."
>"I am not euphoric about the current situation... it is a mess... an
>upheaval of change. All revolutions are. But, I believe we have reached the
>nadir in Iraq, and believe things can only get better from this moment on,
>for the ordinary Iraqi."
>
Clearly, my opinion, my little fascist friend. Although murder still continues,
I believe that for the average Iraqi, the situation has improved since the time
of that posting. Not much... but more basic services have been restored.
There is a fundamental fear among Iraqis that the coalition WILL abandon
Iraq, because of pressure applied by some to do so. This, of course, will
lead to a civil war, resulting in a huge number of deaths, IMHO. Most of
all, the average Iraqi fears a return of Saddam to power, as long as he is
not dead or captured. They realize that if that happens, and they have shown
support for the coalition in even the slightest degree, neighbor will turn on
neighbor, and anyone even suspected of not opposing the return of Saddam,
can consider himself dead at the moment Saddam again seizes power.
This obviously inhibits any display of approval of Saddam's removal from
power, now that the euphoria has passed from the average Iraqi actually
believing that his death or capture was eminent.
It's rather strange that you argue of Easter Bunny 'human rights,' for MURDERERS,
and then oppose in such vitriol, efforts to gain 'human rights' for a large number of
innocent humans. Presuming that 'abandoning them to their fate,' is the best thing
to do. But, after observing that you find no difference between murderers (Saddam),
and innocent slaves (those made slaves to Saddam's power), I have a better idea of
where you're coming from.
>From:
>www.google.com/groups?selm=6r19av03bai69kjpo...@4ax.com
>Date: April 22nd, 2003
>-------------------------------------------------
>
>Iraq has reached the nadir for 6 months now, and the one who wrote the lines
>above is undoubtedly the nadir of thought, for having imagined that history
>could be stopped in April 2003.
>
From that same post:
"I am sickened by some who argue that it was _moral_ to
support a regime that was ruled by murder, torture and
terror to their own innocent citizens."
Look in the mirror, euro... look in the mirror.
PV
>Euro (the clone of Goebbels)
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:8q7mqvgd4av57linb...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 00:26:01 GMT, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >"Now it appears to me that the coalition efforts to remove Saddam and his
> >corrupt regime were not too high a price."
> >
> Clearly, my opinion, my little fascist friend.
>
Did it take you 3 days to find this insult? I expect you'll be glad to
explain the families of the dead GIs in Iraq that the death of their
son/daughter was "not too high a price".
Euro
A Planet Visitor
You rotten son-of-a-bitch... taking lessons from Desmond, by bringing
in the dead... and 'gloating' about those dead... presuming you can
'win a point' USING the dead. Is there any wonder I find you to be
a murderer-lover? You are an insult to my species.
PV
>Euro
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:9cirqvc6vgljsv0br...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 13:12:45 GMT, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
> >??????:8q7mqvgd4av57linb...@4ax.com...
> >> On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 00:26:01 GMT, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >"Now it appears to me that the coalition efforts to remove Saddam and
his
> >> >corrupt regime were not too high a price."
> >> >
> >> Clearly, my opinion, my little fascist friend.
> >>
> >
> >Did it take you 3 days to find this insult? I expect you'll be glad to
> >explain the families of the dead GIs in Iraq that the death of their
> >son/daughter was "not too high a price".
> >
> You rotten son-of-a-bitch...
Still very intellectual, PV... You do deserve to be called the nadir of
thought, keep going this way.
Euro
A Planet Visitor
>
>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>??????:9cirqvc6vgljsv0br...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 13:12:45 GMT, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>> >??????:8q7mqvgd4av57linb...@4ax.com...
>> >> On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 00:26:01 GMT, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >"Now it appears to me that the coalition efforts to remove Saddam and
>his
>> >> >corrupt regime were not too high a price."
>> >> >
>> >> Clearly, my opinion, my little fascist friend.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Did it take you 3 days to find this insult? I expect you'll be glad to
>> >explain the families of the dead GIs in Iraq that the death of their
>> >son/daughter was "not too high a price".
>> >
>> You rotten son-of-a-bitch...
>
>Still very intellectual, PV... You do deserve to be called the nadir of
>thought, keep going this way.
>
Nevertheless... you are a rotten son-of-a-bitch. Certainly cast in the
same mold as your MESSIAH. Finding that speaking of the families
of those dead military serves your 'agenda,' regardless of how unsavory
your methods. And then you wonder why I call you 'the Clone of
Goebbels.' It is because no comment is too tasteless, or too vulgar
for you to offer in your 'agenda' of hateful anti-Americanism, just as
his comments were the same in support of Nazism. Did writing those
words give you a 'woody,' as it gives your MESSIAH when he
LAUGHS at murder?
PV
>Euro
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:3h5brvgsvtu54gv5g...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:46:14 GMT, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
> >??????:9cirqvc6vgljsv0br...@4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 13:12:45 GMT, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
> >> >??????:8q7mqvgd4av57linb...@4ax.com...
> >> >> On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 00:26:01 GMT, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >"Now it appears to me that the coalition efforts to remove Saddam
and
> >his
> >> >> >corrupt regime were not too high a price."
> >> >> >
> >> >> Clearly, my opinion, my little fascist friend.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Did it take you 3 days to find this insult? I expect you'll be glad to
> >> >explain the families of the dead GIs in Iraq that the death of their
> >> >son/daughter was "not too high a price".
> >> >
> >> You rotten son-of-a-bitch...
> >
> >Still very intellectual, PV... You do deserve to be called the nadir of
> >thought, keep going this way.
> >
> Nevertheless... you are a rotten son-of-a-bitch.
Keep doing this way. You give me right.
Euro
A Planet Visitor
family victims and posted:
You've never needed a 'right' to demonstrate that you are an evil
son-of-a-bitch, cast from the same mold as your MESSIAH, euro.
SMIRKING at the pain of families having lost their sons and
daughters, and then USING them for YOUR agenda. Just a step
below a "muffled giggle," which is a step below the outright LAUGH
that your MESSIAH displayed when speaking of MURDER. And
then you WONDER why I call you GOEBBELS??
Jesus, euro... you need mental help. If I had demonstrated the
same form of argument that you did, you would be outraged...
but since you have no window into your soul... your methods
and behavior do not bother you in the slightest. You simply being
a liar, is bad enough..they are aplenty here. But the views you
express can be seen as 'head and shoulders' above 'evil.'
They transcend what we see as 'evil in lies' here. They are
monstrous, in their diabolic methods.
PV
>Euro
(providing comments that would even shame Goebbels)
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> smirked at God and posted:
Those were words of wisdom from the nadir of thought.
Euro
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:l7fgrvchak95bhj5r...@4ax.com...
(snipped)
> And then you WONDER why I call you GOEBBELS??
No. I think that's the most disgusting insult you found, because I expose
you to this group. Your lies. Your disgusting methods of forging facts and
twisting what other posters wrote.
You posted yourself this quote from Goebbels: "Making noise is an effective
means of opposition."
Making noise can, among others, consist in repeating over and over the same
lies to make them become true. That's a good way to make propaganda, until
this way is being exposed. Once exposed, violent insults are the only tool
at the disposal of the propagandist. Isn't it, PV?
With this in mind, I have no doubt why you call me Goebbels. This tells more
about your hatred, your intolerance and your obnoxious personality than
about me.
Euro
A Planet Visitor
Join your MESSIAH in LAUGHING at the VICTIMS. Only this time, you
presume to USE the families of the dead to LAUGH at, in your ugly agenda.
The fact that you cannot understand that your METHODS make your agenda
appear to be as evil as a human could possibly sink, is simply similar to your
MESSIAH also not understanding that principle. One cannot presume an
argument that opposes violence, by laughing at the victims of violence. As
I pointed out... you are NO BETTER than those who marched chanting
"Burn Bundy, burn," at the execution of Ted Bundy. You are cut from the
very same fabric in soul and character.
PV
>Euro
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> "I'm the nadir of thought" wrote:
> Join your MESSIAH in LAUGHING at the VICTIMS.
I have no messiah, PV. Don't just believe that, because you happen to have
one, everyone should.
-----------
"Now it appears to me that the coalition efforts to remove Saddam and his
corrupt regime were not too high a price."
"I find that some who STILL oppose the coalition actions, do so simply in an
ego-driven, concrete-headed inability to admit that things have not worked
out as badly as first imagined."
"I am not euphoric about the current situation... it is a mess... an
upheaval of change. All revolutions are. But, I believe we have reached the
nadir in Iraq, and believe things can only get better from this moment on,
for the ordinary Iraqi."
From:
www.google.com/groups?selm=6r19av03bai69kjpo...@4ax.com
Date: April 22nd, 2003
-------------------------------------------------
Iraq has reached the nadir for 6 months now, and the one who wrote the lines
above is undoubtedly the nadir of thought, for having imagined that history
could be stopped in April 2003.
Euro
JIGSAW1695
>From: "Euro" vs...@hotmail.com
>Date: 11/18/2003 7:03 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <a2d98e0986b39e9c...@news.meganetnews.com>
Actually, it started on 9-11.
Or have you forgotten already?
We havent.
Jigsaw
A Planet Visitor
>
>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> "I'm the nadir of thought" wrote:
>
>> Join your MESSIAH in LAUGHING at the VICTIMS.
>
>I have no messiah, PV. Don't just believe that, because you happen to have
>one, everyone should.
>
I have no MESSIAH here on planet Earth, euro. You have one... right down
the road.... we call him Desmond Coughlan... you call him SAVIOR. And still others
call him the greatest racist to ever post to AADP. Since he spit in the face of
MLK -- See
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/desmond_gimmick_1.html
>-----------
>
>"Now it appears to me that the coalition efforts to remove Saddam and his
>corrupt regime were not too high a price."
>
>"I find that some who STILL oppose the coalition actions, do so simply in an
>ego-driven, concrete-headed inability to admit that things have not worked
>out as badly as first imagined."
>
>"I am not euphoric about the current situation... it is a mess... an
>upheaval of change. All revolutions are. But, I believe we have reached the
>nadir in Iraq, and believe things can only get better from this moment on,
>for the ordinary Iraqi."
>
>From:
>www.google.com/groups?selm=6r19av03bai69kjpo...@4ax.com
>Date: April 22nd, 2003
>-------------------------------------------------
>
>Iraq has reached the nadir for 6 months now, and the one who wrote the lines
>above is undoubtedly the nadir of thought, for having imagined that history
>could be stopped in April 2003.
>
It does seem that YOU are quite euphoric about the deaths, euro. I don't see
even the slightest sign of anything but an attempt to attack my words... with the
implication that you would be joyful if it were even WORSE than it is. As when
you brought up the families of those killed. You really ENJOY presuming you
have some point here, don't you? You get your 'sexual high' thinking about those
dead... just like Desmond. Do you get a 'woody' when you see a few more
dead each day? I find that you would WELCOME a return of Saddam to
power, so you might say 'I told you so,' while the dead in Iraq, now simply
become the Iraqi... whom you actually consider worthless, and not worth
saving from that monster. You would WELCOME a return to -- See
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0501/p01s04-woiq.html
and
http://www.kdp.pp.se/chemical.html
and so many more... go ahead... jump for JOY that American and British and
Italian military are dying, in the slight chance that an orderly and semi-Democratic
government emerges from the 25 years of brutality, and the current round of
chaos. Weep for poor ol' Saddam... as I'm sure you hope he 'perseveres in
what you see as his heroic struggle against the evil coalition.' While you sit on
your fat ass, and ask mommy to bring you another cookie. And you wonder
why I call you a murderer lover. As well as Desmond who LAUGHS outright
at murder, if it happens to 'fit in with his agenda.'
PV
>Euro
>
A Planet Visitor
>
>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>??????:l7fgrvchak95bhj5r...@4ax.com...
>
>(snipped)
>
>> And then you WONDER why I call you GOEBBELS??
>
>No. I think that's the most disgusting insult you found, because I expose
>you to this group. Your lies. Your disgusting methods of forging facts and
>twisting what other posters wrote.
>
What you cannot handle is that I exposed you for what you most certainly are, euro...
a murderer lover... and an anti-Semite. You're simply in denial. I exposed you for
--
1) You arguing that saving murderers from lawful execution is 'more important' to
you, than saving innocent slaves.
2) You stating that John Wayne Gacy has the same 'human rights' as any innocent
person.
3) You claiming it is moral to elevate a murderer to a position which would require
millions of people to refer to that murderer as BLESSED.
4) Your claim you use sarcasm, because it "is a good way out after having said
stupidities."
5) You having stated -- "Look at Lustiger... He's a Jew!" How disgusting..."
Proof positive of your anti-Semitism.
6) You having agreed with Desmond LAUGHING at murder.
7) You having claimed there is no gradation between murderers and innocent slave.
8) You having stated that 40,000 deaths are an "irrelevant comparison" to the
execution of less than 100 murderers annually.
9) You having stated that you find we make no progress by separating murderers from
non-murderers
10) You having argued that there is no reason for anyone to provide any benefit
for our species.
11) You having argued that "legal" is not a "legal concept."
12) You having posted, in the same post, two totally different comments,
demonstrating the hypocrisy that permeates all of your comments. Those
comments -- "families have nothing to do with justice." And then immediately
after that "Justice concerns also the families of victims and murderers."
Quite positively demonstrating you don't even KNOW what "justice" IS.
ROTFLMAO.
13) You having pathetically implied that YOU 'might be born Jew,' and thus
you would be PROTECTED from being seen as an anti-Semite, as if the
two terms are mutually exclusive. And then going on to claim that if you
were Black, you could also not be called a racist.
14) You having insulted a Jewish rabbi, because he found a hint of anti-Semitism
in the results of an European poll. A rabbi, who is in fact the Wiesenthal Centre's
founder. Perhaps you contend that the Wiesenthal Centre is an 'evil' organization?
15) You having called Goebbels "polite" in his propaganda. Which certainly is
support for anti-Semitism... given that it means you find his words in the URL
offered here to be "polite" -- See -
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/goeb1.htm
Of course... it's clear that you ALSO must then agree with Goebbels as he stated --
"The Jews are Guilty!"
From all of those comments you have made, I have determined that you are IMHO,
a murderer lover, an anti-Semite, and that you worship Desmond, to the point that I
refer to him as your MESSIAH. Because your methods in posting to AADP are more
close to the same methods that Goebbels used, than one could possibly imagine.
And ... WOW... this list KEEPS growing!!!
>You posted yourself this quote from Goebbels: "Making noise is an effective
>means of opposition."
>
Yes... to demonstrate YOUR methods, euro. Jesus... can't you keep anything
straight? Why do you think I CALL YOU GOEBBELS? Your stupidity
is staggering. Your 'argument' presumes that if I call YOU an anti-Semite,
it makes ME an anti-Semite for doing so. Rather an easy way for you to
HIDE your own anti-Semitism, isn't it?
>Making noise can, among others, consist in repeating over and over the same
>lies to make them become true. That's a good way to make propaganda, until
>this way is being exposed. Once exposed, violent insults are the only tool
>at the disposal of the propagandist. Isn't it, PV?
It's the only tool at your disposal, euro. That's why I'm here... to expose that
propaganda you continue to foist on AADP. I recall you, just yesterday, posting
the same comment FIFTEEN TIMES in the SAME POST... presuming that if
you screamed your words often enough... they would become believable. Gee...
it seems like YOU are the one 'repeating over and over the same lies' hoping
that someone might find them believable.
>With this in mind, I have no doubt why you call me Goebbels. This tells more
>about your hatred, your intolerance and your obnoxious personality than
>about me.
You are again confused, euro. I call you Goebbels... because your style of posting
is quite similar to his raving propaganda. You call him 'polite,' thus you SEE
yourself in HIM. It's the mirror that's your problem, euro. Your inability to look
into it, and see yourself.
PV
>
>Euro
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:bo9mrvkvcv1tmb8sh...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:58:22 GMT, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
> >??????:l7fgrvchak95bhj5r...@4ax.com...
> >
> >(snipped)
> >
> >> And then you WONDER why I call you GOEBBELS??
> >
> >No. I think that's the most disgusting insult you found, because I expose
> >you to this group. Your lies. Your disgusting methods of forging facts
and
> >twisting what other posters wrote.
> >
> What you cannot handle is that I exposed you for what you most certainly
are, euro...
> a murderer lover... and an anti-Semite. You're simply in denial. I
exposed you for
> --
>
> 1) You arguing that saving murderers from lawful execution is 'more
important' to
> you, than saving innocent slaves.
I never said that.
> 2) You stating that John Wayne Gacy has the same 'human rights' as any
innocent
> person.
And that is true.
> 3) You claiming it is moral to elevate a murderer to a position which
would require
> millions of people to refer to that murderer as BLESSED.
I never said that.
> 4) Your claim you use sarcasm, because it "is a good way out after having
said
> stupidities."
And then? You do use sarcasm a lot in such situations.
> 5) You having stated -- "Look at Lustiger... He's a Jew!" How
disgusting..."
> Proof positive of your anti-Semitism.
That doesn't prove any anti-semitism.
> 6) You having agreed with Desmond LAUGHING at murder.
I never agreed with anything such.
> 7) You having claimed there is no gradation between murderers and
innocent slave.
I never wrote that.
> 8) You having stated that 40,000 deaths are an "irrelevant comparison" to
the
> execution of less than 100 murderers annually.
And that is true. This comparison is irrelevant, making it doesn't mean you
have a point.
> 9) You having stated that you find we make no progress by separating
murderers from
> non-murderers
And that is perfectly true. I notice, however, that your sentence above is
deliberately misleading.
> 10) You having argued that there is no reason for anyone to provide any
benefit
> for our species.
And then? What's wrong about that? Do you mean we should eliminate those who
"provide no benefit for our species"?
> 11) You having argued that "legal" is not a "legal concept."
Wrong. I never wrote that.1
> 12) You having posted, in the same post, two totally different comments,
> demonstrating the hypocrisy that permeates all of your comments. Those
> comments -- "families have nothing to do with justice." And then
immediately
> after that "Justice concerns also the families of victims and murderers."
> Quite positively demonstrating you don't even KNOW what "justice" IS.
> ROTFLMAO.
What do you mean with this?
> 13) You having pathetically implied that YOU 'might be born Jew,' and thus
> you would be PROTECTED from being seen as an anti-Semite, as if the
> two terms are mutually exclusive. And then going on to claim that if you
> were Black, you could also not be called a racist.
LOL!!! How ridiculous you are!
> 14) You having insulted a Jewish rabbi, because he found a hint of
anti-Semitism
> in the results of an European poll. A rabbi, who is in fact the
Wiesenthal Centre's
> founder. Perhaps you contend that the Wiesenthal Centre is an 'evil'
organization?
I didn't insult this rabbi, but expressed disagreement with his view. On the
other hand, you insulted several times a cardinal by saying he was a
"murderer lover".
> 15) You having called Goebbels "polite" in his propaganda. Which
certainly is
> support for anti-Semitism... given that it means you find his words in the
URL
> offered here to be "polite" -- See -
> http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/goeb1.htm
> Of course... it's clear that you ALSO must then agree with Goebbels as he
stated --
> "The Jews are Guilty!"
No. I don't agree with those words. I never said that I agreed with anything
Goebbels said, by the way. That being said, the quotation you made above
shows that Goebbels is more polite than you. He didn't call anyone "spastic"
or "zoophile".
-------------------------------------------------------
Result of all this. You lie a lot, as shown above.
Euro
A Planet Visitor
>
>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>??????:bo9mrvkvcv1tmb8sh...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:58:22 GMT, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>> >??????:l7fgrvchak95bhj5r...@4ax.com...
>> >
>> >(snipped)
>> >
>> >> And then you WONDER why I call you GOEBBELS??
>> >
>> >No. I think that's the most disgusting insult you found, because I expose
>> >you to this group. Your lies. Your disgusting methods of forging facts
>> >and twisting what other posters wrote.
>> >
>> What you cannot handle is that I exposed you for what you most certainly are, euro...
>> a murderer lover... and an anti-Semite. You're simply in denial. I exposed you for
>> --
>>
>> 1) You arguing that saving murderers from lawful execution is 'more important' to
>> you, than saving innocent slaves.
>
>I never said that.
>
Of course you did... See --
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=c80a9ef0a3cea5a2e77e8fc9f80eb05d%40news.meganetnews.com
When given the choice to 'save' either all murderers from the DP and abolish slavery,
or save all innocent slaves from slavery and abolish slavery... you chose to 'save'
murderers and let slaves ROT -- Your word -- "That would lead me to the
conclusion that I should abolish death penalty."
>> 2) You stating that John Wayne Gacy has the same 'human rights' as any
>> innocent person.
>
>And that is true.
>
No.. euro... One again you confuse opinion as fact. There is absolutely no
possibility you could offer those four words as FACT. They remain your
opinion... and a more barbaric, bonehead, care-shit-for-victims opinion I
cannot imagine. You wonder why I call you a murderer lover? Because you
find no difference between John Wayne Gacy and an innocent person... That's
why.
>> 3) You claiming it is moral to elevate a murderer to a position which would require
>> millions of people to refer to that murderer as BLESSED.
>
>I never said that.
Of course you did -- See --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dd7b24844c1b79d34bac9efbb48e2fcd%40news.meganetnews.com
Your words -- "You will also note that Lustiger is, in France, one of the
prominent activists for the beatification of Jacques Flesch, sentenced to
death and executed in France in 1957 for the murder of a police officer
following a bungled robbery.
http://www.catholicdigest.org/stories/200108106a.html
Thanks for giving me the opportunity to stress the great moral qualities of
Lustiger"
Or are you contending that you find Cardinal Lustiger moral, for supporting
an act that you consider immoral?
>
>> 4) Your claim you use sarcasm, because it "is a good way out after having said
>> stupidities."
>
>And then? You do use sarcasm a lot in such situations.
No, euro... if I use it... it is generally to expose YOUR stupidity. While
when you use it... you have admitted doing so to cover up your stupidity.
>
>> 5) You having stated -- "Look at Lustiger... He's a Jew!" How disgusting..."
>> Proof positive of your anti-Semitism.
>
>That doesn't prove any anti-semitism.
That simple denial, is actually another demonstration of your anti-Semitism... Being
blind to the consequences of such a denial.
>
>> 6) You having agreed with Desmond LAUGHING at murder.
>
>I never agreed with anything such.
Of course you did -- See
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dccefe1b2a9c20dd7479a9ef7923a3c9%40news.meganetnews.com
When he posted a comment which laughed at murder, you remarked in respect to
that laughter -- "I fully approve it.."
>
>> 7) You having claimed there is no gradation between murderers and innocent slave.
>
>I never wrote that.
Of course you did -- See -
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=ce2326f3ad48e4f127d42a46ecf0bcbe%40news.meganetnews.com
Your words -- "an idea that, too, only exists in your head: the idea that there might
be some gradation between men sentenced to slavery and men sentenced to death"
>> 8) You having stated that 40,000 deaths are an "irrelevant comparison" to the
>> execution of less than 100 murderers annually.
>
>And that is true. This comparison is irrelevant, making it doesn't mean you
>have a point.
>
The comparison is quite relevant and was carefully explained to you in various
posts. However, I'm sad to see that you ADMIT that you find 40,000 deaths
irrelevant in comparison to the execution of a few proven murderers each year.
When clearly BOTH those 40,000 deaths or the execution of those few proven
murderers each year in the U.S. could both be prevented with a simply act of
the state. I don't even have to provide the reference... since you admit you
have claimed that comparison is irrelevant to you.
>> 9) You having stated that you find we make no progress by separating
>murderers from non-murderers
>
>And that is perfectly true. I notice, however, that your sentence above is
>deliberately misleading.
>
Hardly... see --
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=e2706c22e2c8c73ebbd818d20b986abb%40news.meganetnews.com
Your words -- "I don't think one makes much progress by separating non murderers
(the good ones) and murderers (the evil ones)." I think if we do not separate
murderers from non-murderers... we'll have a great number more murders to deal
with. Since the purpose of the justice system is to do just that... and your
comment argues that the justice system, which provides such separation of
murderers from non-murderers should be totally abolished.
>> 10) You having argued that there is no reason for anyone to provide any benefit
>> for our species.
>
>And then? What's wrong about that? Do you mean we should eliminate those who
>"provide no benefit for our species"?
Why would you presume to twist my words such as that? I mean we SHOULD
provide benefit for our species if we are capable of doing do. You saw no reason...
but the reason stares you in the face -- you would still be living in a cave, and
hunting as the wild animal does, if no one had provided any benefit for YOU.
Only someone as evil as you could presume that it is 'proper' to eliminate those
who 'provide no benefit for our species.' There is no possibility that my words
which express what YOU have said, could imply anything other than what those
words say. YOU find no reason for anyone to provide any benefit for our
species. My argument holds there IS a reason... and says NOTHING about
what should be done with those who do not provide any benefit.
>> 11) You having argued that "legal" is not a "legal concept."
>Wrong. I never wrote that.
Of course you did... See --
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=c2132af94a184a8220401c621794964a%40news.meganetnews.com
Your words - ""Legal murder" doesn't need to be a legal concept to be valid"
>> 12) You having posted, in the same post, two totally different comments,
>> demonstrating the hypocrisy that permeates all of your comments. Those
>> comments -- "families have nothing to do with justice." And then immediately
>> after that "Justice concerns also the families of victims and murderers."
>> Quite positively demonstrating you don't even KNOW what "justice" IS.
>> ROTFLMAO.
>
>What do you mean with this?
You know perfectly well what I mean with this... see --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=98ecf84d186fb6f02671ac97f3157aec%40news.meganetnews.com
Your words in the SAME post --
1) "I made a claim of principle, that families have nothing to do
with justice."
2) "Justice concerns also the families of victims and murderers."
Just two totally contradictory statements you made in that post.
I pointed that out in my reply to your 'rather hilarious' contradiction
of yourself... in addition to your post also stating "My arguments
don't change in the mid-stream." And then going ahead and
changing your argument in the same post.
>> 13) You having pathetically implied that YOU 'might be born Jew,' and thus
>> you would be PROTECTED from being seen as an anti-Semite, as if the
>> two terms are mutually exclusive. And then going on to claim that if you
>> were Black, you could also not be called a racist.
>
>LOL!!! How ridiculous you are!
No, euro... How ridiculous YOU are... to contend you may 'imply' that
you 'might,' 'perhaps,' 'maybe' be a born Jew, and thus that would provide
immunity to you possibly being an anti-Semite. Look at Earl... he's an
American and he is bigoted in his hate for America. There is no protection
from WHAT you are... simply because of WHO you are. And your 'claim'
that a Black cannot be racist, is simply so incredibly witless that it left
me literally laughing. See your words at --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=401ce60be23792f070bffee4212f2ebb%40news.meganetnews.com
Your words -- "you call me an anti-Semite, without even thinking that I
could be born Jew. Likewise, you called me a racist while you actually
don't know if I'm a Black, or a metis."
>
>> 14) You having insulted a Jewish rabbi, because he found a hint of
>>anti-Semitism in the results of an European poll. A rabbi, who is in
>> fact the Wiesenthal Centre's founder. Perhaps you contend that the
>> Wiesenthal Centre is an 'evil' organization?
>
>I didn't insult this rabbi, but expressed disagreement with his view. On the
>other hand, you insulted several times a cardinal by saying he was a
>"murderer lover".
>
No... you clearly INSULTED his comment. Your words --"... is enough to
contradict Rabbi Marvin Hier's somewhat peremptory (but soooooooo
convenient) judgement." See --
"http://www.google.com/groups?selm=af3970a461f1e7f94c39521375b9c22d%40news.meganetnews.com
What is "soooooooo convenient about his judgment, euro? And as far as
Cardinal Lustiger, I am not a hypocrite in denial as you are... I find him
EXACTLY to be a murderer lover. As much as any murderer lover, if
he expects to use his position to elevate a true murderer to a position which
would require millions of those who follow the RC religion to call that
murdered BLESSED, as a matter of faith. I clearly INTEND it to be
an insult to him... since he insults every innocent victim of every murder
ever committed, IMO.
>> 15) You having called Goebbels "polite" in his propaganda. Which certainly is
>> support for anti-Semitism... given that it means you find his words in the URL
>> offered here to be "polite" -- See -
>> http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/goeb1.htm
>> Of course... it's clear that you ALSO must then agree with Goebbels as he stated --
>> "The Jews are Guilty!"
>
>No. I don't agree with those words. I never said that I agreed with anything
>Goebbels said, by the way.
Of course you did, euro. Why do you deny what you have said? You stated --
"At least, Goebbels was polite in his propaganda." See --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=d8232deaf4cfd86aa600b816fd947ca8%40news.meganetnews.com
> That being said, the quotation you made above
>shows that Goebbels is more polite than you.
Once again... you demonstrate your clear anti-Semitism... By arguing that Goebbels
was "polite" in stating "The Jews are guilty!" How's about this one? Here is
another of the words of Goebbels. Think this is also 'polite'? -- See
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/goeb64.htm
Read those words... and weep for your own hate... that you would call such
propaganda... filled with such venomous hate... as being 'polite.'
> He didn't call anyone "spastic" or "zoophile".
Neither have I. Although your MESSIAH has used that former word, just a few days
ago in two different posts, and you remained silent. While it seems that repeating
those two words, one that I have never used, and another that I have not used since
John Rennie asked that it not be used, gives you some 'sexual rush' because you keep
repeating them in your lies. For your MESSIAH'S use of that disgraceful word... see
--
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=T4Xsb.108273%24jW5.1279077%40twister.tampabay.rr.com
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=q5eb51-d8.ln1%40zeouane.org
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
>Result of all this. You lie a lot, as shown above.
>
Not at all, euro. I don't see a single reference to any post of mine to justify your
lies. While I have provided a reference to every one of your nauseating thoughts,
that I have referred to.
PV
>Euro
A Planet Visitor
<fucko...@zeouane.org> wrote:
>> Desmond archive <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>
>LMAO !!!!!!!
>
Be afraid, Desmond... be very afraid. Although I am sure you now realize
that I was not Dolly. I only intend to archive those posts of yours that
demonstrate you LIE, or LAUGH and *giggle* at murder, plus those that
I simply feel need to be archived to demonstrate how desperate you are to
destroy AADP. Nor will I add a word, or change a word of yours. If I
find I must respond it will be as PV.
Your 'teary laugh' rings much more hollow, than the LAUGH you offered
at the murders of so many human beings. How I pity you in your disrespect
for victims... and deep affection for murderers. See --
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/desmond_gimmick_133.html
PV
>- --
>Desmond 'Oh my God... PV did it to me again' Coughlan
FitzHerbert
<snip>
> 14) You having insulted a Jewish rabbi
Very interesting insight into the tiny, Nazi brain of the FuckWit.
You will have noticed the 'slip' that reveals that he imagines there
are such folk as 'non-Jewish Rabbis'. Surely the qualification of
'Jewish' in 'Jewish Rabbis' is redundant, you say? Not if you are the
FuckWit, it isn't. You must remember that FuckWit is fixated with the
Nazi idea of a 'Jewish Race [sic]'; so when he says 'Jewish Rabbi' he
means 'a Rabbi of the Jewish Race [sic]', as opposed to 'a Rabbi not
of the Jewish Race [sic]'.
How I pity him, the scummy Nazi fuckwit.
> because he found a hint of anti-Semitism in the results of an European poll.
> A rabbi, who is in fact the Wiesenthal Centre's founder.
The same Rabbi you called a "zealot", FuckWit?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=hecmqvci4f7ueohh5l88cag98foimk8r0o%404ax.com&output=gplain
> Perhaps you contend that the Wiesenthal Centre is an 'evil' organization?
Perhaps you contend that it is an organisation run by 'zealots'?
Yrs,
As ever,
N. FitzHerbert, esq.
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:d7pqrvgjkred05lag...@4ax.com...(snipped)
> >>
> >> 1) You arguing that saving murderers from lawful execution is 'more
important' to
> >> you, than saving innocent slaves.
> >
> >I never said that.
> >
> Of course you did... See --
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=c80a9ef0a3cea5a2e77e8fc9f80eb05d%40news
.meganetnews.com
> When given the choice to 'save' either all murderers from the DP and
abolish slavery,
> or save all innocent slaves from slavery and abolish slavery... you chose
to 'save'
> murderers and let slaves ROT -- Your word -- "That would lead me to the
> conclusion that I should abolish death penalty."
That showed that, to a stupid question, I could bring a stupid answer.
Besides, that also shows, as I wrote above, that I never wrote that "saving
murderers from lawful execution is 'more important' to me, than saving
innocent slaves".
Does one need anything more to show how PV forges lies?
(remaining similar lies by PV snipped)
Euro
A Planet Visitor
<fucko...@zeouane.org> wrote:
>A Planet 'Nazi Bastard' Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote ...
>>>> Join your MESSIAH in LAUGHING at the VICTIMS.
>
>>>I have no messiah, PV. Don't just believe that, because you happen to have
>>>one, everyone should.
>
>> I have no MESSIAH here on planet Earth, euro. You have one... right down
>> the road.... we call him Desmond Coughlan... you call him SAVIOR.
>
So what?
>> And still others
>> call him the greatest racist to ever post to AADP.
>
>No one on news:alt.activism.death-penalty has _ever_ used that word to
>describe me.
LOL. === Desmond -- the greatest racist to ever post to AADP. ===
Happy now? For proof of that fact... see --
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/desmond_gimmick_1.html
Where you spit in the face of MLK. And see --
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/The_Racist_Desmond.html
For only some of the unparalleled production of your racist slurs you have
vomited upon AADP, in your attempts to bring about the destruction
of this newsgroup.
>Two lines, two lies. It seems that FuckWit has little else to do these
>days but lie, lie and lie.
>
Umm...
Your words -- "However, considering the manner in which you
requested that I refrain from using a 'sic', I shall oblige."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20030222003227.26864.00002175%40mb-mq.aol.com
Your words -- "You (and the others who sought to force me off the
group) have yet to provide a single iota of evidence that I have lied to this
newsgroup." See --
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=slrn8clfa5.1cl.desmond%40lievre.voute.net
Umm... Desmond... YOU LIED! Right here, in fact. And your lie is thus
proven to be a *giggle* at any mention of 9/11. And a demonstration that
your entire body of comments to AADP is placed in question as to their
validity. See --
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=LA8vb.12137%24M31.258195%40twister.tampabay.rr.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Q6Dub.6742%24KI4.3523%40twister.tampabay.rr.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=q5eb51-d8.ln1%40zeouane.org
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20030911165922.21457.00000510%40mb-m10.aol.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20030911165918.21457.00000507%40mb-m10.aol.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20030908164707.21642.00000638%40mb-m01.aol.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20030828100725.07578.00000180%40mb-m25.aol.com
And then we have your clear lie, in respect to Jeffrey Daumer.
>{ snip unread }
>
I imagine you misplaced your dictionary, and the 'big words' might have confused
you.
>[1] sorry, 'NEVER' (sic [2]
>[2] LMAO [3]
>[3] quick, FuckWit, claim I'm 'laughing at 'NEVER' (sic [2])
You always laugh at murder, Desmond. That's why I find you to
be a bit mentally disturbed and thus deserve only my pity. See --
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/desmond_gimmick_100.html
In fact... you rather EMPHASIZED the fact that you do, in a post just
the other day... when you AGAIN LAUGHED at the victims of another
murderous attack. See --
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=kn6rrvs2dqn7jjkb5lqtdn0612250oq3bp%404ax.com
PV
>- --
>Desmond 'I LAUGH at murder' Coughlan
A Planet Visitor
>A Planet Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote in message news:<bo9mrvkvcv1tmb8sh...@4ax.com>...
>
><snip>
>
>> 14) You having insulted a Jewish rabbi
>
>Very interesting insight into the tiny, Nazi brain of the FuckWit.
>
>You will have noticed the 'slip' that reveals that he imagines there
>are such folk as 'non-Jewish Rabbis'. Surely the qualification of
>'Jewish' in 'Jewish Rabbis' is redundant, you say?
Of course it's redundant. What's your point?
> Not if you are the
>FuckWit, it isn't. You must remember that FuckWit is fixated with the
>Nazi idea of a 'Jewish Race [sic]'; so when he says 'Jewish Rabbi' he
>means 'a Rabbi of the Jewish Race [sic]', as opposed to 'a Rabbi not
>of the Jewish Race [sic]'.
>
No...actually I mean a Jewish Rabbi...A Jew who leads and practices the
Judaic religion.
>How I pity him, the scummy Nazi fuckwit.
>
Why do you hate the Jews, Ol' Racist Nev?
>> because he found a hint of anti-Semitism in the results of an European poll.
>> A rabbi, who is in fact the Wiesenthal Centre's founder.
>
>The same Rabbi you called a "zealot", FuckWit?
>
All clergy are ZEALOTS... you mental fruitcake. Priests, Rabbis, Ministers,
Ayatollahs, Mufti. They all are ZEALOTS.
--------------------------------------
zeal·ot
zeal·ot [zéll?t]
(plural zeal·ots)
n
zealous follower: somebody who shows excessive enthusiasm for a cause, particularly a
religious cause
[Mid-16th century. Via late Latin from Greek zelotes , from zeloun “to be jealous,”
from zelos (see zeal).]
-zeal·ot·ry, n
Microsoft® Encarta® Reference Library 2004. © 1993-2003 Microsoft Corporation. All
rights reserved.
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>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=hecmqvci4f7ueohh5l88cag98foimk8r0o%404ax.com&output=gplain
>
>> Perhaps you contend that the Wiesenthal Centre is an 'evil' organization?
>
>Perhaps you contend that it is an organisation run by 'zealots'?
>
Not at all... But all Rabbis are zealots. It goes with the territory. And
is no more an insult than calling a RC Cardinal a zealot. The Rabbi is a
zealot in respect to Judaism... but his comment is no less insightful into
the recognition of anti-Semitism in the results of the survey. Nor can it
be seen as insignificant, since aside for his zealot belief in Judaism, he
is a Jew, and has the historical evidence behind him of the thousands
of years of European anti-Semitism, on which to base his observation.
Which obviously you still represent a great part of. But again..perhaps
you contend that the Wiesenthal Centre is an 'evil' organization?
PV
>
>
>
>Ol' Racist Nev
A Planet Visitor
<fucko...@zeouane.org> wrote:
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>A Planet 'Nazi Bastard' Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote ...
>
>>>> Desmond archive <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>
>>>LMAO !!!!!!!
>
>> Be afraid, Desmond... be very afraid.
>
>Ho, ho, ho ... 'afraid' that I'm going to do myself a 'mischief' by
>laughing so hard ? Yes, FuckWit ... very afraid. Oops, quick FuckWit ...
>that has to be worth an invocation of ol' 74 [2] !!! LMAO !!!
>
>{ snip FuckWit's ignorance of copyright laws, coupled with a couple of
> declarations of victory thrown in [1] }
>
Be nice now, Desmond... I haven't called you a racist, Jew hating,
murderer loving swine, for at least 10 minutes now.
Okay... time's up... you're a racist, Jew hating, murderer loving swine.
>[1] url:http://www.zeouane.org/peinedemort/gimmicks/68.html
LOL...
Gentle reader... I have shed my hate for Desmond... I realize that all that is
left for me here in this imaginary medium is to be horrified by the horror of
his racism and the murderous instincts he expresses here, which have
horrified so many others, witness to the horror of his words, that they have
departed from reading or commenting to this group. See --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=bmhgpm%24nvc%241%40mailgate2.lexis-nexis.com
Another reasonable poster, unable to any longer stomach Desmond, forced
to depart. Another one chased away by Desmond. But given Desmond's mental
decline now demonstrated by wishing to murder all retentionists, and the
very clear evidence that he is a racist, I can only hold pity for him. See --
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/desmond_gimmick_150.html
>[2] url:http://www.zeouane.org/peinedemort/gimmicks/74.html
LOL...
Gentle readers can also see Desmond prove he is a murderer-lover, by
stating emphatically that the murderer is of more value to him than the
victim of that murderer --
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/desmond_gimmick_133.htm
PV
>- --
>Desmond 'I've never seen a murderer that I didn't "LOVE"' Coughlan
A Planet Visitor
>
>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>??????:d7pqrvgjkred05lag...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:47:54 GMT, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>(snipped)
>
>> >>
>> >> 1) You arguing that saving murderers from lawful execution is 'more
>important' to
>> >> you, than saving innocent slaves.
>> >
>> >I never said that.
>> >
>> Of course you did... See --
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=c80a9ef0a3cea5a2e77e8fc9f80eb05d%40news.meganetnews.com
>> When given the choice to 'save' either all murderers from the DP and
>> abolish slavery,
>> or save all innocent slaves from slavery and abolish slavery... you chose
>> to 'save'
>> murderers and let slaves ROT -- Your word -- "That would lead me to the
>> conclusion that I should abolish death penalty."
>
>That showed that, to a stupid question, I could bring a stupid answer.
No.. what it showed is the answer YOU WOULD bring. The answer
you DID bring.
>Besides, that also shows, as I wrote above, that I never wrote that "saving
>murderers from lawful execution is 'more important' to me, than saving
>innocent slaves".
>
Same thing... you would save murderers from the DP, before you would
save innocent slaves from execution. One can hardly presume that you intend
to save those you consider LESS IMPORTANT to you.
>Does one need anything more to show how PV forges lies?
>
Not at all... you simply made your choice, and I observed the consequences
of that choice.
>(remaining similar lies by PV snipped)
>
LOL... You know perfectly well you could not handle a single one of those
entire fifteen.
PV
>Euro
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:5lm0svc39hkaeopsk...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:03:03 GMT, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
> >??????:d7pqrvgjkred05lag...@4ax.com...
> >> On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:47:54 GMT, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >(snipped)
> >
> >> >>
> >> >> 1) You arguing that saving murderers from lawful execution is 'more
> >important' to
> >> >> you, than saving innocent slaves.
> >> >
> >> >I never said that.
> >> >
> >> Of course you did... See --
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=c80a9ef0a3cea5a2e77e8fc9f80eb05d%40news
.meganetnews.com
> >> When given the choice to 'save' either all murderers from the DP and
> >> abolish slavery,
> >> or save all innocent slaves from slavery and abolish slavery... you
chose
> >> to 'save'
> >> murderers and let slaves ROT -- Your word -- "That would lead me to the
> >> conclusion that I should abolish death penalty."
> >
> >That showed that, to a stupid question, I could bring a stupid answer.
>
> No.. what it showed is the answer YOU WOULD bring. The answer
> you DID bring.
And it was stupid, because the question it referred to was stupid.
> >Besides, that also shows, as I wrote above, that I never wrote that
"saving
> >murderers from lawful execution is 'more important' to me, than saving
> >innocent slaves".
> >
> Same thing... you would save murderers from the DP, before you would
> save innocent slaves from execution. One can hardly presume that you
intend
> to save those you consider LESS IMPORTANT to you.
>
> >Does one need anything more to show how PV forges lies?
> >
> Not at all... you simply made your choice, and I observed the consequences
> of that choice.
>
> >(remaining similar lies by PV snipped)
> >
> LOL... You know perfectly well you could not handle a single one of those
> entire fifteen.
My time is too precious to be spent on your verbal diarrhea, PV. When you
are able to write in a concise way what you mean, and to be respectful with
regard to the persons you reply to, we shall discuss further.
Euro
-----------------------------------
"You know PV you get away with an awful lot on this news group merely
because you bury your totally nonsensical ideas in a mass of verbiage".
url:http://groups.google.com/groups?ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=D4dW8.44793%24MM
5.3891010%40newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net&lr=&hl=fr
A Planet Visitor
<fucko...@zeouane.org> wrote:
>A Planet 'Nazi Bastard' Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote ...
>
>>>>>> Join your MESSIAH in LAUGHING at the VICTIMS.
>
>>>>>I have no messiah, PV. Don't just believe that, because you happen to have
>>>>>one, everyone should.
>
>>>> I have no MESSIAH here on planet Earth, euro. You have one... right down
>>>> the road.... we call him Desmond Coughlan... you call him SAVIOR.
>
>>>Euro has _never_ [1] used that word in relation to me.
>
>> So what?
>
>
Rubbish... he sees you as his SAVIOR. How 'proud' you must be.
PV
>{ snip unread }
>
Still haven't located your dictionary, I see.
PV
>- --
>Desmond 'If euro wants to call me his SAVIOR, it's okay by me' Coughlan
A Planet Visitor
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>A Planet 'Nazi Bastard' Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote ...
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>>>>>> Desmond archive <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>
>>>>>LMAO !!!!!!!
>
>>>> Be afraid, Desmond... be very afraid.
>
>>>Ho, ho, ho ... 'afraid' that I'm going to do myself a 'mischief' by
>>>laughing so hard ? Yes, FuckWit ... very afraid. Oops, quick FuckWit
>>>... that has to be worth an invocation of ol' 74 [2] !!! LMAO !!!
>>>
>>>{ snip FuckWit's ignorance of copyright laws, coupled with a couple of
>>>declarations of victory thrown in [1] }
>
>> Be nice now, Desmond... I haven't called you a racist, Jew hating,
>> murderer loving swine, for at least 10 minutes now.
>>
>> Okay... time's up... you're a racist, Jew hating, murderer loving swine.
>
>Stand back, everyone, he's going ballistic again !!!
>
Your problem with mirrors is again being demonstrated, Desmond.
You're the one who overuses 'exclamation points' in recognition of
'going ballistic,' sport. You believe that an LOL, and a few 'exclamation
points' can substitute for something more than bared fangs, lower
animal growls and gibberish. Unfortunately... they can't.
>{ snip unread }
>
Tsk...tsk...tsk... still haven't found your dictionary, in order to tackle the
'big words,' I see.
>- --
>Desmond 'Hey... what's wrong with my 7th Grade education?' Coughlan
A Planet Visitor
>
>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>??????:5lm0svc39hkaeopsk...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:03:03 GMT, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>> >??????:d7pqrvgjkred05lag...@4ax.com...
>> >> On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:47:54 GMT, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >(snipped)
>> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 1) You arguing that saving murderers from lawful execution is 'more important' to
>> >> >> you, than saving innocent slaves.
>> >> >
>> >> >I never said that.
>> >> >
>> >> Of course you did... See --
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=c80a9ef0a3cea5a2e77e8fc9f80eb05d%40newsmeganetnews.com
>> >> When given the choice to 'save' either all murderers from the DP and abolish slavery,
>> >> or save all innocent slaves from slavery and abolish slavery... you chose to 'save'
>> >> murderers and let slaves ROT -- Your word -- "That would lead me to the
>> >> conclusion that I should abolish death penalty."
>> >
>> >That showed that, to a stupid question, I could bring a stupid answer.
>>
>> No.. what it showed is the answer YOU WOULD bring. The answer
>> you DID bring.
>
>And it was stupid, because the question it referred to was stupid.
>
Of course your answer was stupid. YOU'RE stupid! That's rather an axiom.
But the FACT is... your stupid answer showed that you chose to SAVE
murderers and let innocent slaves ROT. Do you presume that stupid
answers do not make you appear stupid? Nor can the question be seen
as stupid, since it quite obviously goes to the very heart of the argument of
the DP. What other argument would you presume should be offered other
than a comparison of the subset you expect to save from execution to those
of a different subset?
>> >Besides, that also shows, as I wrote above, that I never wrote that "saving
>> >murderers from lawful execution is 'more important' to me, than saving
>> >innocent slaves".
>> >
>> Same thing... you would save murderers from the DP, before you would
>> save innocent slaves from execution. One can hardly presume that you intend
>> to save those you consider LESS IMPORTANT to you.
>>
>> >Does one need anything more to show how PV forges lies?
>> >
>> Not at all... you simply made your choice, and I observed the consequences
>> of that choice.
>>
>> >(remaining similar lies by PV snipped)
>> >
>> LOL... You know perfectly well you could not handle a single one of those
>> entire fifteen.
>
>My time is too precious to be spent on your verbal diarrhea, PV.
Sure it is, euro... We all know that mommy needs you to wash the dishes.
> When you
>are able to write in a concise way what you mean, and to be respectful with
>regard to the persons you reply to, we shall discuss further.
>
I don't think so, sport. Since you are unable to address the central issue of
your claim that you do not see murderers the same as innocent slaves. While
all you have now done is CONFIRM that you do not find them the same, but
instead find you would SAVE murderers from the DP BEFORE you would
save even one innocent slaves.
>Euro
>-----------------------------------
>"You know PV you get away with an awful lot on this news group merely
>because you bury your totally nonsensical ideas in a mass of verbiage".
>url:http://groups.google.com/groups?ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=D4dW8.44793%24MM5.3891010%40newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net&lr=&hl=fr
Not much verbiage here in this argument. You've clearly stated that you would
end the DP BEFORE you would end slavery, which most certainly proves to
my satisfaction that you find murderers to be MORE VALUABLE than
innocent slaves.
A Planet Visitor
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>
SLURP... SLURP... SLURP.. No need Desmond... he will kiss your butt on
demand without you lying to 'protect him.'
>> "You know PV you get away with an awful lot on this news group merely
>> because you bury your totally nonsensical ideas in a mass of verbiage".
>> url:http://groups.google.com/groups?ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=D4dW8.44793%24MM
>> 5.3891010%40newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net&lr=&hl=fr
>
>Plenty more where that came from, Euro. Here are just a few ...
>
>FuckWit claims to have a long history on the Internet, barely 72 hours
>before admitting that he doesn't know how to configure a news client ...
>url:http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl3484881941d&dq=&hl=fr&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=Nts48.125415%24_w.17952011%40typhoon.tampabay.rr.com
>
Pathetic Desmond... truly pathetic. Remember your 'promise' in respect to
that (sic)? Remember Jeffrey Daumer? Remember the Dixie Chicks?
Remember your lie in respect to my quite accurate quote of Jürgen?
Remember Hemingway? Remember "Socrates' writing"? Remember
your 'no terrorist attacks on American soil prior to 9/11'? Remember
Rush Wickes proving you to be a liar? Remember your claim that
'none of the terrorists knew they were on a suicide mission in 9/11'?
Remember all your lies?
>FuckWit claims that O.J. Simpson was 'found guilty of murder in a civil
>court' ... ho, ho, ho ...
>url:http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl237779726d&dq=&hl=fr&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=C4%2579.335449%24XH.7441899%40twister.tampabay.rr.com
Desmond claimed that Judge Zobel could not have overturned the guilty verdict
of Louise Woodward.. providing insult after insult in raging hysterical claims that
he 'knew what he was talking about,' and then -- found himself in a shit-house full
of lies... and needed to admit he had lied and that --- "PV is right." See
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=20020830212952.10684.00000094%40mb-cu.aol.com
>FuckWit shows that he can't even find his own post on 'goggle' (sic) ...
>barely a day before claiming that _I_ can't use google ...
>url:http://groups.google.fr/groups?q=+%22do+those+big+terms+confuse%22+group:alt.activism.death-penalty&hl=fr&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=XKpA8.182471%24nc.24051659%40typhoon.tampabay.rr.com&rnum=2
>
A post in which Desmond admits that 'big words' give him 'problems.' In point of
fact, it was Desmond who was confused as to the thrust of my comment.
>FuckWit shows his 'eloquence' when beaten ...
>url:http://groups.google.com/groups?ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=rC7o9.56678%24g73.1937553%40twister.tampabay.rr.com&lr=&hl=fr
>
Poor Desmond... unable to realize that his own posts contain more 'mindless drivel'
than one can possibly imagine. I recall when I 'kept track' of his mindless
drivel... FOUR HUNDRED AND NINETEEN posts containing NOTHING
but mindless drivel in only 27 DAYS. See --
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=WHlD9.260783%24r7.4797815%40twister.tampabay.rr.com
>FuckWit tells news:alt.activism.death-penalty that Germans aren't very clever ...
>url:http://groups.google.com/groups?ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=KfRi9.6193%24yB5.253233%40twister.tampabay.rr.com&lr=&hl=fr
>
Racist Desmond spits in the face of MLK --
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/desmond_gimmick_1.html
>FuckWit lies, by claiming that _I_ claimed to be God, when I have never done so ...
>
>url:http://groups.google.com/groups?ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=PQWH9.298396%24fa.5859467%40twister.tampabay.rr.com&lr=&hl=fr
>
Desmond claims to be God -- See -
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/desmond_gimmick_666.html
>FuckWit shows his ignorance of copyright law ...
>url:http://www.google.fr/groups?q=g:thl3266959035d&dq=&hl=fr&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=6j4l5vso49onlq591no85qom68t3pq9414%404ax.com
>
There is no copyright 'law' in Usenet, dipshit. Of course... Desmond claims
to be a lawyer ... guffaw...guffaw...guffaw...
>FuckWit admits that his scummy retentionist kind are all murderer lovers
>...
>url:http://www.google.fr/groups?ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=njr8qvkk918qoriircoqj4711t4uh8rhg9%404ax.com&lr=&hl=fr
>
Desmond states that the chances of him murdering were greater than the chances of
Theodore Frank committing another murder. Frank being a proven pedophile
child-murderer --
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/desmond_gimmick_4.html
>More FuckWit 'eloquence' ...
>
>url:http://groups.google.com/groups?ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=Gz5_9.13107%24mA2.288380%40twister.tampabay.rr.com&lr=&hl=fr
>
Heh... A post in which Desmond claimed that Lockerbie was caused by CAT --
'Clear Air Turbulence.' Of course it WAS CAT -- Just that it was those 'Crazy
Arab Terrorists' that Desmond LAUGHS about their victims. See Desmond
LAUGH at some other victims of murder from terrorists --
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/desmond_gimmick_100.html
>FuckWit admits that he lied, and that my use of 'rag-heads' was to
>attribute it to him ...
>url:http://groups.google.com/groups?ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=al4p4v8astnc40tb22g717s9oc84oca6g1%404ax.com&lr=&hl=fr
>
Desmond lies by claiming I have ever used that slur... while he uses it as
a matter of course --
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/The_Racist_Desmond.html
In fact, Desmond has claimed that "in matters of morals, Europe has led the
world for over 2000 years," and when it was questioned with a raised
eyebrow in respect to the events of 60 years ago... Desmond replied --
"And we're proud of it." Imagine that... Desmond is PROUD of those
events only 60 years ago. See --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=t6vkva.2q7.ln%40lievre.voute.net
>FuckWit shoots himself in the foot again, by begging others to quote him
>'EXACTLY' (sic), even though he never does ...
>url:http://groups.google.com/groups?ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=7Erm9.33739%24g73.1167555%40twister.tampabay.rr.com&lr=&hl=fr
>
Desmond fully realizes that I quote everyone EXACTLY... while he NEVER
does. That is what frightens him about me. Of course, when he is frightened
Desmond will BEG the group to _vote_ for his racism... and then insult
them if they will not --
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/desmond_gimmick_166.html
>FuckWit whinges about a murderer being released to kill again ... despite
>the person in question never having been arrested or charged, let alone
>gaoled (ROTFLMAO !!!) ...
>
>url:http://www.google.fr/groups?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_umsgid=sc8jjvgre97ptrfti...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=fr
>
Desmond demonstrates he does not care about an innocent victim, and finds the
murder of that innocent victim by a wrongly released murderer to be a 'lesser evil'
--
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/desmond_gimmick_133.html
>FuckWit advocates murder ...
>url:http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=fr&lr=&ie=UTF-8&frame=right&th=cbb26c253835af7f&seekm=ubLv9.79686%24r7.1593261%40twister.tampabay.rr.com#link1
>
Of course, Desmond lies... although HE very clearly attempted to 'incite a crowd'
of 'vigilante' abolitionists to murder ALL retentionists... while arguing that it is
moral and justified to destroy all of them. A post so vile that another member no
longer posts to AADP --
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/desmond_gimmick_150.html
>FuckWit 'spnaked' (sic) by John, after fucking up concerning the 'White
>House' spoof site ...
>url:http://www.google.fr/groups?ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=_YO78.1077%24il3.258480%40news6-win.server.ntlworld.com&lr=&hl=fr
>
I was never the slightest bit 'fucked up,' concerning that obvious spoof site.
Desmond was placed in John's killfile, not for anything in AADP... but for
PERSONAL REASONS after having visited personally with John and
spent time in John's home --
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/desmond_gimmick_73.html
>Those are just the ones I can recall. I've left out his spelling errors,
LOL... Desmond never HAS learned how to spell... He has managed to
screw up the word "medecine" (sic), a number of times, "irrelevent," (sic),
a number of times, and "occurence" (sic) and "occured" (sic) a total of
FORTY TIMES, that I can find. These are only a few. His 7th grade
education is apparent behind each of his posts. You would think he
would learn through his mistakes. Of course... thinking that... would
itself be a mistake.
>his grammatical errors, and his making a fool of himself with non-existent
>words. If you want to see them all, just go to google, and type 'Planet
>Visitor' in the 'author' field.
Recognition by a number of respected abolitionists as to Desmond's mental problems
in AADP --
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/desmond_gimmick_10.html
Of course, looking for Desmond's posts in google will generally result in
an empty find... since he makes such he 'covers his tracks in his lies.'
>Ho, ho, ho ... enjoy.
>
<Desmond drops trousers... exposes butt... says 'spank me, PV... Please.'>
Spank...spank....spank... the butt-balm, Desmond... Visa and Mastercard accepted.
http://butt-balm.com/
PV
>- --
>Desmond 'Ouch!... OUCH!!.. Damn you PV... that hurts' Coughlan
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:9hi5sv8qf5fe2srpp...@4ax.com...
The axiom is: the answer was stupid because the question raised was stupid.
A stupid question doesn't deserve any answer, basically. Now, you insisted
to get an answer by reposting continuously your stupid question. You thus
got the answer you deserved: a stupid one.
Euro
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:8hq2svkls2n8mdd8m...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:42:49 +0100, Desmond 'The Administrator of
Auschwitz'
> <fucko...@zeouane.org> wrote:
> >A Planet 'Nazi Bastard' Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote ...
> >
> >>>>>> Join your MESSIAH in LAUGHING at the VICTIMS.
> >
> >>>>>I have no messiah, PV. Don't just believe that, because you happen to
have
> >>>>>one, everyone should.
> >
> >>>> I have no MESSIAH here on planet Earth, euro. You have one... right
down
> >>>> the road.... we call him Desmond Coughlan... you call him SAVIOR.
> >
> >>>Euro has _never_ [1] used that word in relation to me.
> >
> >> So what?
> >
> >So you're a liar. Thanks for admitting it.
> >
> Rubbish... he sees you as his SAVIOR. How 'proud' you must be.
>
I don't need any savior, PV. I never used this word, actually. I defy you to
find a URL to prove the contrary.
Euro
(with this one, I bet we'll wait for PV's answer for some time)
A Planet Visitor
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>>>> 14) You having insulted a Jewish rabbi
>
>>>Very interesting insight into the tiny, Nazi brain of the FuckWit.
>>>
>>>You will have noticed the 'slip' that reveals that he imagines there are
>>>such folk as 'non-Jewish Rabbis'. Surely the qualification of 'Jewish' in
>>>'Jewish Rabbis' is redundant, you say?
>
>> Of course it's redundant. What's your point?
>
>His point, FuckWit, is that by saying 'Jewish Rabbi', you're stating that
>you believe that there are Rabbis [1] who are _not_ Jewish. It's something
>like saying, 'female women', or 'male men'. It's called a tautology, and
>it makes no sense whatsoever. Other examples would be 'stupid deathies',
>or 'intelligent abolitionists'. It's called a tautology because there is
>no such thing as a deathie who _isn't_ stupid, or an abolitionist who
>_isn't_ intelligent, or a woman who _isn't_ female, or a man who _isn't_
>male. By the same token, there is no such thing as a Rabbi who _isn't_
>Jewish.
>
My word... but you certainly do express a great deal of hate for the Jews.
Why is that, Desmond?
<rest of expressions of Desmond's hate for the Jews... and contention that clergy
are not zealots...clipped>
PV
>Desmond 'So what if I hate all Jews?' Coughlan
A Planet Visitor
wrote:
>
>A Planet 'Nazi Bastard' Visitor <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> wrote ...
>>>{ snip Euro's demolition job on FuckWit }
>
>> SLURP... SLURP... SLURP.. No need Desmond... he will kiss your butt on
>> demand without you lying to 'protect him.'
>
>gimmicks [1], FuckWit Patented Gimmick (TM) N° 65, the 'SLURP' (sic)
>gimmick ...
>
Always necessary to 'return to basics' with you, Desmond. Every time
I try to get past 'the basics,' it flies right over your pointy head. Even
you must now recognize the limitations that nature has placed on your
intellectual capabilities. If not... I will simply have to keep reminding
you.
>url:http://www.zeouane.org/peinedemort/gimmicks/65.html
>
>Here's a piece of well-meant advice, FuckWit: when trying desperately to
>fight back against the Gimmick Database (whilst vainly trying to convince
>news:alt.activism.death-penalty that the very existence of The Database
>doesn't send you into incandescent rage), it's not usually a good idea to
>do so by in fact invoking the very gimmicks whose [2] existence you wish
>to fight.
>
I am simply using the facts... while you use lies, Desmond. That's obvious.
>{ snip vain attempts [3] to respond to the litany of idiocy which FuckWit
> was kind enough to post, and which I was kind enough to remind him of }
>
>>>Ho, ho, ho ... enjoy.
>
>> <Desmond drops trousers... exposes butt... says 'spank me, PV... Please.'>
>>
>> Spank...spank....spank... the butt-balm, Desmond... Visa and Mastercard accepted.
>> http://butt-balm.com/
>
>Ah, it's been pointed out before that when the heat is on, and FuckWit's
>feeling the pressure, what does he do ? He posts and reposts the same
>spam.
You keep exposing yourself, Desmond. What am I to do when you keep
asking for it? BTW -- Pot...Kettle...Black...
> So we witness his repeated invocation of FuckWit Patented Gimmick
>(TM) N° 112, the 'You're laughing so I've spnaked [sic] you gimmick !' [4].
>Here's another tip, FuckWit (no, really, don't thank me: it's all in the
>name of public service): the only one who thinks that our laughter
>constitutes our being [5] 'spanked', is you. You're the newsgroup joke,
>but sadly, the joke is on you. And here comes some more laughter,
>FuckWit...here it comes, get ol' 112 [4] ready ...
>
>ROTFLMAO !!!
>
There it is... each time... you continue to ask to be spanked. See --
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/desmond_gimmick_112.html
>[1] sorry, 'gimmicks's' (sic)
Sorry... LAUGHING at murder... That's Desmond.
>[2] sorry, 'who's' (sic)
Sorry... Spitting in MLK's face... That's Desmond
>[3] sorry, 'attempt's' (sic)
Sorry.... Dreaming of torturing and killing humans... That's Desmond
>[4] url:http://www.zeouane.org/peinedemort/gimmicks/112.html
Sorry... proven to be a liar.... That's Desmond.
>[5] now, is that a verb, FuckWit ..? Or a noun ? Or an adverb ? Or an
> adjective ? Har, har, har, FuckWit ... think, man ... 'THINK' (sic) !!
Sorry... That's Desmond -- asking to be spanked again...
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/desmond_gimmick_112.html
PV
>- --
>Desmond 'Ouch!.. OUCH!!... Damn you PV..that hurts' Coughlan
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/desmond_gimmick_index.html
A Planet Visitor
That would be this one --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dccefe1b2a9c20dd7479a9ef7923a3c9%40news.meganetnews.com
Of course, you claimed that I had 'used the word Zoophile' when I had never done so.
So I defy YOU to find a URL to prove the contrary. Thus, I will say that your words
in that post have CALLED Desmond your SAVIOR... and MESSIAH.
>Euro
>
>(with this one, I bet we'll wait for PV's answer for some time)
LOL... euro's words in the SAME post --
1) "I made a claim of principle, that families have nothing to do
with justice."
2) "Justice concerns also the families of victims and murderers."
3) "hence the feelings of the victims' families should not be instrumentalized to
justify a harder penalty;"
4) "justice should, on the contrary, be compassion for the murderer's family"
What an unbelievable assortment of Machiavellian, ignominious, disingenuous,
feckless, sophistic, and offensive, double-speak nonsense. euro says --
Families have nothing to do with Justice... oh...wait... yes, they do.. oh...
wait... no they don't... oh.. wait...yes, they do... ALL in the same post.
ONE POST -- For a huge laugh... see --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=98ecf84d186fb6f02671ac97f3157aec%40news.meganetnews.com
A Planet Visitor
>
>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>??????:9hi5sv8qf5fe2srpp...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:36:17 GMT, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>> >??????:5lm0svc39hkaeopsk...@4ax.com...
>> >> On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:03:03 GMT, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>> >> >??????:d7pqrvgjkred05lag...@4ax.com...
>> >> >> On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:47:54 GMT, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >(snipped)
>> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> 1) You arguing that saving murderers from lawful execution is 'more important' to
>> >> >> >> you, than saving innocent slaves.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I never said that.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> Of course you did... See --
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=c80a9ef0a3cea5a2e77e8fc9f80eb05d%40newsmeganetnews.com
>> >> >> When given the choice to 'save' either all murderers from the DP and abolish slavery,
>> >> >> or save all innocent slaves from slavery and abolish slavery... you chose to 'save'
>> >> >> murderers and let slaves ROT -- Your words-- "That would lead me to the
>> >> >> conclusion that I should abolish death penalty."
>> >> >
>> >> >That showed that, to a stupid question, I could bring a stupid answer.
>> >>
>> >> No.. what it showed is the answer YOU WOULD bring. The answer
>> >> you DID bring.
>> >
>> >And it was stupid, because the question it referred to was stupid.
>> >
>> Of course your answer was stupid. YOU'RE stupid! That's rather an axiom.
>
>The axiom is: the answer was stupid because the question raised was stupid.
No... the question is a quite valid question, as demonstrated by the age old
argument expressed in Buridan's ass... which I continued to pound away at
you. It is exactly the same form of 'moral question' that was posed in "Sophie's
Choice," and I cannot believe you would call the moral question posed there
to be 'stupid.' Aside from the very real examination of one's own moral viewpoint,
which is clearly demonstrated in Buridan's ass, and the dilemma it presented,
there are a great number of 'thought experiments' meant to examine one's own
subjective moral viewpoint. You DO have such a subjective moral viewpoint...
do you not? If you do, then you should be willing to examine it, in such
'thought experiments.' At first you stubbornly refused to make that moral choice.
You decided to not even EXAMINE your own moral viewpoint. In effect
what you are arguing here is that any examination of your 'moral viewpoint' is
'stupid.' But that is simply because you do not want it to be EXAMINED or
EXPOSED. Thus, your moral viewpoint is not based on a foundation that you
can defend, but simply one you refuse to examine, or defend, claiming it is
stupid to question it. Therefore, I wonder why you even bother to express an
opinion, other than your obvious self-absorbed need to presume you are 'moral.'
Because in truth, you admit that your 'moral values' represent something that you
cannot even express in relation to value judgments you might be asked to reason.
You calling it 'stupid' if you are asked to reason those value judgments. I was
not the one who argued that the DP is just like slavery. YOU WERE! That
began this entire dialog. Yet you are unwilling to defend your own pathetic drivel.
You clearly demonstrated that you could not decide between saving murderers
OR innocent slaves. You then decided to save murderers. That's perfectly clear.
You value, in your subjective moral viewpoint, murderers as GREATER than
innocent slaves. Yet you continue to argue that examining your choice is stupid.
So, once again.. qed: The axiom is that you are stupid. And your presumed
'moral' viewpoint lacks any focus or direction that you would hope to defend.
There are other questions which are posed to create moral dilemmas, which
do not necessarily need to be argued are actual situations which have been
experienced. And not a single person but you would presume they are
'stupid,' since they are PROFOUNDLY insightful, in examining and facing
moral dilemmas. Some examples are "Sophie's choice." Another is the "trolley
problem." Yet another is the dilemma faced with murdering someone, or not
doing so resulting in the murder of the very person you would not murder, as
well as a great number of others. Such as if a sadistic guard offers you the
choice of saving those others, if you only shoot one fellow prisoner, stating
he will shoot not only that fellow prisoner but a given number of other prisoners
if you do not. While the one I offered was simply the possibility of saving
those you value more from their assigned fate... the DP or slavery. With
making NO CHOICE simply permitting BOTH to continue. The 'moral choice'
of SAVING one group or another group, with the certainty that NOT choosing
will result in nothing other than BOTH groups not being saved, is something that
is always placed under the microscope of our subjective morality. In fact my
example mirrors "Sophie's Choice." Possible to save one, impossible to save
both, and not choosing resulting in saving neither. And no one would presume
that the concept demonstrated in "Sophie's Choice," is STUPID. It is
PROFOUND. And you are stupid to presume the moral dilemma raised in
"Sophie's choice" is a stupid question.
You not choosing at first, would absolutely create a more destructive result in
your moral perspective since you would have saved NEITHER murderers
nor innocent slaves. And your entire 'moral' argument up to this point has been
that it is immoral to execute murderers. Yet you would have PERMITTED that
to continue... and slavery to continue as well. When you finally did chose,
you elected to abolish the DP and 'save' murderers from execution. You
thus picked murderers above innocent slaves.
>A stupid question doesn't deserve any answer, basically.
Of course, it was NOT a stupid question. You are simply using that as an
EXCUSE. What it demonstrated is the fact that your presumed 'morality'
is based on nothing but a flimsy illusion. I will, and have, certainly answered
the question. There is no doubt in my moral viewpoint that I would abolish
slavery and save every innocent slave, before I would abolish the DP and
save every murderer... EVEN IF the DP I could abolish was one that
executed EVERY murderer. That form of a DP for murderers is one I do
not support. But if forced to chose, there is no question whatsoever in my
mind that I would abolish what "I' see, as the GREATER EVIL... even in
my total opposition to a DP which executes all murderers. There is no
question in my moral viewpoint that slavery is such a greater evil than
executing EVERY murderer.
>Now, you insisted
>to get an answer by reposting continuously your stupid question. You thus
>got the answer you deserved: a stupid one.
No, euro. What I received from you, FINALLY... was your HONEST
answer. You would abolish the DP and save murderers before you would
abolish slavery and save innocent slaves. You thus... absolutely and
positively... value murderers MORE than you value innocent slaves.
That was your decision. It's sad that you cannot defend it... and need to
call it 'stupid.'
PV
>
>Euro (the Clone of Goebbels)
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> "I can be deceitful 3 times in a few
lines, if I want"
:bkifsvkqfm3oob1sf...@4ax.com...(snipped)
> >I don't need any savior, PV. I never used this word, actually. I defy you
to
> >find a URL to prove the contrary.
> >
> That would be this one --
>
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dccefe1b2a9c20dd7479a9ef7923a3c9%40news.me
ganetnews.com
This posting doesn't express I have a savior. How deceitful from you (1)
> Of course, you claimed that I had 'used the word Zoophile' when I had
never done so.
I never claimed that you used this word. But it is true that you called
another poster a zoophile. Here is the URL:
http://www.google.com/groups?&selm=6efoavst85dasnaepn8rtbi1i4r6u5tapj%404ax.
com
in which you claimed that another poster had "a clear manifestation of
(your) repressed desire for bestial intercourse".
> So I defy YOU to find a URL to prove the contrary.
I did. You didn't, though, find a URL in which I claimed I had a "messiah"
or a "savior". You're unable to find one, because your claim I used these
words is a lie.
> Thus, I will say that your words
> in that post have CALLED Desmond your SAVIOR... and MESSIAH.
And this is a lie. Clicking on the URL your provided shows it. Oh, and
anyway... if you like to pretend I did, what do I care? So far, your
attempts to deceive other posters here have failed. Keep doing this way, and
you appear more and more for what you truly are: a bad liar who believes
that repeating lies every now and then helps making them become the truth.
How pitiable.... How disgusting.... How obnoxious... How Goebbels-worthy...
Euro
> PV "I managed to be deceitful 3 times in a few lines. I am the nadir of
thought."
A Planet Visitor
>
>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> "I can be deceitful 3 times in a few
>lines, if I want"
>:bkifsvkqfm3oob1sf...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:06:48 GMT, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>(snipped)
>
>> >I don't need any savior, PV. I never used this word, actually. I defy you to
>> >find a URL to prove the contrary.
>> >
>> That would be this one --
>>
>http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dccefe1b2a9c20dd7479a9ef7923a3c9%40news.meganetnews.com
>
>This posting doesn't express I have a savior. How deceitful from you (1)
>
Just as much as any of my posts used the word "zoophile," euro. The
EXPRESSION of you finding Desmond to be your 'SAVIOR,' is quite
in evidence. The simpering, toady manner in which you agree with
your MESSIAH, in his LAUGHING at murder.
>> Of course, you claimed that I had 'used the word Zoophile' when I had
>>never done so.
>
>I never claimed that you used this word. But it is true that you called
>another poster a zoophile. Here is the URL:
>http://www.google.com/groups?&selm=6efoavst85dasnaepn8rtbi1i4r6u5tapj%404ax.com
>
Of course you did, you liar. I posted to you -- "Ah... but YOU'RE the one
who claimed that was calling him a "zoophile."" And you responded with "That's
exactly what it was." There is no meaning to EXACTLY... except EXACTLY.
>in which you claimed that another poster had "a clear manifestation of
>(your) repressed desire for bestial intercourse".
>
>> So I defy YOU to find a URL to prove the contrary.
>
>I did. You didn't, though, find a URL in which I claimed I had a "messiah"
>or a "savior". You're unable to find one, because your claim I used these
>words is a lie.
>
No... you didn't. What URL is that, in which I use the word "zoophile," before
you stated I had?
>> Thus, I will say that your words
>> in that post have CALLED Desmond your SAVIOR... and MESSIAH.
>
>And this is a lie. Clicking on the URL your provided shows it. Oh, and
>anyway... if you like to pretend I did, what do I care?
Oh... you CARE, all right... because it exposes you as a toady.
> So far, your
>attempts to deceive other posters here have failed. Keep doing this way, and
>you appear more and more for what you truly are: a bad liar who believes
>that repeating lies every now and then helps making them become the truth.
>
>How pitiable.... How disgusting.... How obnoxious... How Goebbels-worthy...
>
You're the one who uses the methods of Goebbels, euro. I recognized it long
ago. And you think that calling me what YOU are... is some sort of argument.
You're an evil swine... and the methods of Goebbels are simply YOUR METHODS.
>Euro (the Clone of Goebbels)
>
>> PV "I managed to be deceitful 3 times in a few lines. I am the nadir of
>thought."
Hardly, euro. While you have quite a few TRUE quotes to answer to --
Not even speaking of all those past quotes which proved you to be a murderer
lover, but others --
[1] Your 'argument' (sic) asserting Goebbels was 'polite.' Your words --
"At least, Goebbels was polite in his propaganda" See --
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=d8232deaf4cfd86aa600b816fd947ca8%40news.meganetnews.com
[2] You change your mind three times in the same post regarding
how families affect Justice. Your words --
"I made a claim of principle, that families have nothing to do
with justice."
"Justice concerns also the families of victims and murderers."
"justice should, on the contrary, be compassion for the murderer's family"
"hence the feelings of the victims' families should not be instrumentalized to
justify a harder penalty;"
"the tears from one side (the victims' family) cannot be compensated
by the tears from another side (the murderers' family)."
"I never alluded to pity for murderers, but to pity for the murderers'
families."
What an unbelievable assortment of Machiavellian, ignominious, disingenuous,
feckless, sophistic, and offensive, double-speak nonsense. ALL
from a SINGLE post of yours. See --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=98ecf84d186fb6f02671ac97f3157aec%40news.meganetnews.com
[3] You call murderers "humane" Your words --
"because murderers are HUMANE, whether you like it or not."
"But since murderers are humane..." See --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=5bfda818764410613bc12ca4df5b16ba%40meganetnews.com
[4] You state that John Wayne Gacy has the same "human rights" as any non-criminals.
Your words --
"Do you find that John Wayne Gacy is an animal who does not enjoy the
same human rights as you do?" See --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=a5ccea6e7e4217cf160862d1c39b026740news.meganetnews.com
[5] You find that murderers are more valuable to you than innocent slaves. Your
words --
"That would lead me to the conclusion that I should abolish death penalty." See --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=c80a9ef0a3cea5a2e77e8fc9f80eb05d%40news.meganetnews.com
[6] You state it is 'moral' to elevate a murderer to a place where millions of
humans would be required to call that murderer BLESSED Your words --
"You will also note that Lustiger is, in France, one of the prominent
activists for the beatification of Jacques Flesch, sentenced to death and
executed in France in 1957 for the murder of a police officer following a
bungled robbery.
http://www.catholicdigest.org/stories/200108106a.html
Thanks for giving me the opportunity to stress the great moral qualities of
Lustiger" See --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dd7b24844c1b79d34bac9efbb48e2fcd%40news.meganetnews.com
[7] You state a 'collective guilt' was the reason for the rebuilding of West
GermanyYour words in speaking of 'Collective guilt.' --
"This word is one of the concepts on which West Germany was built."
PV
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/desmond_gimmick_index.html
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:n11osvommrcialdc1...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 05:16:48 GMT, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> "I can be deceitful 3 times in a
few
> >lines, if I want"
> >:bkifsvkqfm3oob1sf...@4ax.com...
> >> On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:06:48 GMT, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >(snipped)
> >
> >> >I don't need any savior, PV. I never used this word, actually. I defy
you to
> >> >find a URL to prove the contrary.
> >> >
> >> That would be this one --
> >>
>
>http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dccefe1b2a9c20dd7479a9ef7923a3c9%40news.m
eganetnews.com
> >
> >This posting doesn't express I have a savior. How deceitful from you (1)
> >
> Just as much as any of my posts used the word "zoophile," euro. The
> EXPRESSION of you finding Desmond to be your 'SAVIOR,' is quite
> in evidence. The simpering, toady manner in which you agree with
> your MESSIAH, in his LAUGHING at murder.
LOL!!! How ridiculous from you. I never laughed at murder, but I often laugh
at you. Are you sure you're not confusing yourself with murder?
> >> Of course, you claimed that I had 'used the word Zoophile' when I had
> >>never done so.
> >
> >I never claimed that you used this word. But it is true that you called
> >another poster a zoophile. Here is the URL:
>
>http://www.google.com/groups?&selm=6efoavst85dasnaepn8rtbi1i4r6u5tapj%404ax
.com
> >
> Of course you did, you liar. I posted to you -- "Ah... but YOU'RE the
one
> who claimed that was calling him a "zoophile."" And you responded with
"That's
> exactly what it was." There is no meaning to EXACTLY... except EXACTLY.
And what does mean the expression "a clear manifestation of repressed desire
for bestial intercourse" mean, if it's not zoophily?
I'm waiting for your explanation. If you provide something convincing, I am
ready to withdraw my words. Else, I will maintain them.
> >in which you claimed that another poster had "a clear manifestation of
> >(your) repressed desire for bestial intercourse".
> >
> >> So I defy YOU to find a URL to prove the contrary.
> >
> >I did. You didn't, though, find a URL in which I claimed I had a
"messiah"
> >or a "savior". You're unable to find one, because your claim I used these
> >words is a lie.
> >
> No... you didn't. What URL is that, in which I use the word "zoophile,"
before
> you stated I had?
What did you mean exactly, when you referred to a poster as showing "a clear
manifestation of (his) repressed desire for bestial intercourse", adding to
this that this poster was disgusting and that your words were meant as
insults?
It's time for you to explain your behaviour, PV, and hopefully to express
your apologies for all the posters you have offended by your disgusting,
obnoxious insults. As long as you don't, I will expose you for those insults
and you will remain the nadir of thought, the guy thanks to whom any
substantial discussion ends up in your opponents being personally insulted.
Euro
FitzHerbert
> >> 14) You having insulted a Jewish rabbi
> >
> >Very interesting insight into the tiny, Nazi brain of the FuckWit.
> >
> >You will have noticed the 'slip' that reveals that he imagines there
> >are such folk as 'non-Jewish Rabbis'. Surely the qualification of
> >'Jewish' in 'Jewish Rabbis' is redundant, you say?
>
> Of course it's redundant. What's your point?
>
> > Not if you are the
> >FuckWit, it isn't. You must remember that FuckWit is fixated with the
> >Nazi idea of a 'Jewish Race [sic]'; so when he says 'Jewish Rabbi' he
> >means 'a Rabbi of the Jewish Race [sic]', as opposed to 'a Rabbi not
> >of the Jewish Race [sic]'.
> >
> No...actually I mean a Jewish Rabbi...A Jew who leads and practices the
> Judaic religion.
As opposed to a 'non-Jew' who...
See!! He admits it!!!! Ho ho ho!! The scummy, _Nazi_ fuckwit!!
> >How I pity him, the scummy Nazi fuckwit.
> >
> Why do you love the Jews, Ol' Racist Nev?
I don't 'love' them, FW. I don't 'love' any religious (or ethnic)
group en mass, per se.
> >> because he found a hint of anti-Semitism in the results of an European poll.
> >> A rabbi, who is in fact the Wiesenthal Centre's founder.
> >
> >The same Rabbi you called a "zealot", FuckWit?
> >
> All clergy are ZEALOTS... you mental fruitcake.
Let's assume you are correct when you say that "all clergy are ZEALOTS
[sic]" (you're incorrect BTW), why did you call Marvin "a zealot
Rabbi"? Surely using yr reasoning a 'zealot Rabbi' is a tautology?
Spnak [sic]... spnak [sic]... spnak [sic]!
> Priests, Rabbis, Ministers, Ayatollahs, Mufti. They all are ZEALOTS.
<snip>
A Planet Visitor
>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>??????:n11osvommrcialdc1...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 05:16:48 GMT, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> "I can be deceitful 3 times in a few
>> >lines, if I want"
It's rather nice that you demonstrate your deceit, euro. Since that is certainly not
a quote from me... yet you would lie and contend that it is.
>> >:bkifsvkqfm3oob1sf...@4ax.com...
>> >> On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:06:48 GMT, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >(snipped)
>> >
>> >> >I don't need any savior, PV. I never used this word, actually. I defy you to
>> >> >find a URL to prove the contrary.
>> >> >
>> >> That would be this one --
>> >>
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dccefe1b2a9c20dd7479a9ef7923a3c9%40news.meganetnews.com
>> >
>> >This posting doesn't express I have a savior. How deceitful from you (1)
>> >
>> Just as much as any of my posts used the word "zoophile," euro. The
>> EXPRESSION of you finding Desmond to be your 'SAVIOR,' is quite
>> in evidence. The simpering, toady manner in which you agree with
>> your MESSIAH, in his LAUGHING at murder.
>
>LOL!!! How ridiculous from you. I never laughed at murder, but I often laugh
>at you. Are you sure you're not confusing yourself with murder?
>
I never said you did... Thus, you are again a proven liar, and again deceptively
trying to 'rearrange' my words. I said you AGREED with him laughing. I
did not say YOU laughed. Only that you AGREED with him laughing (the
only one in AADP having done so)... in your words -- "I fully understand his
point and I fully approve it." And his POINT was LAUGHING at those
murders, in his words -- Thanks is due "to Bush and Blair for easing the
population problem in Indonesia by another 13." I can only believe that
you would ALSO say "I fully understand his point and I fully approve it," if
he had posted 'Thanks is due to the Nazis for easing the population problem
of the Jews in Europe by another six million.' HIS ARGUMENT, you evil
little parrot, was that MURDER only eases a population problem. And you
AGREE with that. See --
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/desmond_gimmick_100.html
>
>> >> Of course, you claimed that I had 'used the word Zoophile' when I had
>> >>never done so.
>> >
>> >I never claimed that you used this word. But it is true that you called
>> >another poster a zoophile. Here is the URL:
>>
>>http://www.google.com/groups?&selm=6efoavst85dasnaepn8rtbi1i4r6u5tapj%404ax.com
>> >
>> Of course you did, you liar. I posted to you -- "Ah... but YOU'RE the one
>> who claimed that was calling him a "zoophile."" And you responded with "That's
>> exactly what it was." There is no meaning to EXACTLY... except EXACTLY.
>
>And what does mean the expression "a clear manifestation of repressed desire
>for bestial intercourse" mean, if it's not zoophily?
>
EXACTLY what it says -- ""a clear manifestation of repressed desire
for bestial intercourse." Nonetheless, you CANNOT claim EXACTLY... unless
you QUOTE EXACTLY. As I do with your words above, which demonstrate
you lied.
>I'm waiting for your explanation. If you provide something convincing, I am
>ready to withdraw my words. Else, I will maintain them.
>
I don't give a shit about any 'withdrawal' from you, euro. I've PROVEN
what needs to be proven. You said "EXACTLY".. yet there is not a single
instance of my using that particular word in my ENTIRE POSTING HISTORY,
until YOU introduced it as MY EXACT WORD, in your clear lie.
>> >in which you claimed that another poster had "a clear manifestation of
>> >(your) repressed desire for bestial intercourse".
>> >
>> >> So I defy YOU to find a URL to prove the contrary.
>> >
>> >I did. You didn't, though, find a URL in which I claimed I had a "messiah"
>> >or a "savior". You're unable to find one, because your claim I used these
>> >words is a lie.
>> >
>> No... you didn't. What URL is that, in which I use the word "zoophile," before
>> you stated I had?
>
>What did you mean exactly, when you referred to a poster as showing "a clear
>manifestation of (his) repressed desire for bestial intercourse", adding to
>this that this poster was disgusting and that your words were meant as
>insults?
>
I meant EXACTLY what was written. And if you wish to quote it EXACTLY,
then do not PARAPHRASE it, in your own inimitable imitation of Goebbels.
Take a look at the original comment -- See
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=6efoavst85dasnaepn8rtbi1i4r6u5tapj%404ax.com
You will see that Spike saw HIMSELF in that symbol. We ALL translate
self-images when viewing ink-blot psychological tests. And Spike remarked
on how he saw HIMSELF in that image. He noted that he SAW - "it loosks like
a dog being fucked to me." Now, I imagine you might AGREE with him, and
see the SAME as he did... as well as you agreed with your MESSIAH when he
laughed at murder, but my comment was quite reasonable, and contained no
obscenities, but simply a rational remark as to what I felt was behind him
SEEING what he now stated he saw -- My words -- "Hardly surprising that you
would find that hidden there, spike. Have you ever heard of the Rorschach Inkblot
psychological personality test? Your seeing what you saw, is a clear manifestation
of your repressed desire for bestial intercourse."
>It's time for you to explain your behaviour, PV, and hopefully to express
>your apologies for all the posters you have offended by your disgusting,
>obnoxious insults. As long as you don't, I will expose you for those insults
>and you will remain the nadir of thought, the guy thanks to whom any
>substantial discussion ends up in your opponents being personally insulted.
>
LOL... that from the lunatic who has stated that --
[1] Your words --
"At least, Goebbels was polite in his propaganda" See --
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=d8232deaf4cfd86aa600b816fd947ca8%40news.meganetnews.com
[2] In an absolutely conflicted assortment of Machiavellian, ignominious,
disingenuous, feckless, sophistic, and offensive, double-speak nonsense.
ALL IN ONE POST. Your words --
"I made a claim of principle, that families have nothing to do with justice."
"Justice concerns also the families of victims and murderers."
"justice should, on the contrary, be compassion for the murderer's family"
"hence the feelings of the victims' families should not be instrumentalized to
justify a harder penalty;"
"the tears from one side (the victims' family) cannot be compensated
by the tears from another side (the murderers' family)."
"I never alluded to pity for murderers, but to pity for the murderers'
families." See --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=98ecf84d186fb6f02671ac97f3157aec%40news.meganetnews.com
[3] Your words --
"because murderers are HUMANE, whether you like it or not."
"But since murderers are humane..."
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=5bfda818764410613bc12ca4df5b16ba%40meganetnews.com
[4] Your words --
"Do you find that John Wayne Gacy is an animal who does not enjoy the
same human rights as you do?" See --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=a5ccea6e7e4217cf160862d1c39b026740news.meganetnews.com
You stated "And that is true." In reply to the question of John Wayne Gacy
having the same 'human rights' as any innocent person. See -
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=40383cc79857308eb110320ca87bc907%40news.meganetnews.com
[5] When choosing between abolishing the DP and 'saving' all murderers from the
DP, or abolishing slavery and freeing all slaves in a society that practices both --
Your words --
"That would lead me to the conclusion that I should abolish death penalty."
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=c80a9ef0a3cea5a2e77e8fc9f80eb05d%40news.meganetnews.com
[6] In expressing the 'great moral qualities' of a RC Cardinal who wants
to elevate an executed murderer to a role which would demand that millions
refer to that murderer as BLESSED -- Your words --
"You will also note that Lustiger is, in France, one of the prominent
activists for the beatification of Jacques Flesch, sentenced to death and
executed in France in 1957 for the murder of a police officer following a
bungled robbery.
http://www.catholicdigest.org/stories/200108106a.html
Thanks for giving me the opportunity to stress the great moral qualities of
Lustiger" See --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dd7b24844c1b79d34bac9efbb48e2fcd%40news.meganetnews.com
[7] Your words in speaking of 'Collective guilt.' --
"This word is one of the concepts on which West Germany was built."
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=6a7f4c90ad29d61171fb19a75c4359d6%40news.meganetnews.com
Using the expression that "It targets the whole German population."
How bigoted can you be, euro?
PV
>Euro (the clone of Goebbels)
Euro
"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
??????:des1tvo63e9pvfftg...@4ax.com...
And I didn't agree with anyone laughing at murder, either. I do observe,
besides, that you don't react at posters laughing at people being killed in
the same way, depending on who those posters are. Your continuous bringing
here Desmond's posting only makes more visible that you never refer to other
posters who made fun at the 10,000 or so persons who died in France last
summer.
But that, once again, is just one more proof that:
1/ you lie when you affirm that I agree with anyone laughing at murders;
2/ you lie when you affirm that that person was laughing at murder, in this
particular case;
3/ your indignation at that poster appears to be totally fake and
hypocritical, as you don't express the same indignation at other posters who
_did_ write bad jokes on a tragedy that killed 10,000 persons.
Euro
(remaining PV's other lies snipped... by the way, if PV writes I agree with
someone laughing at murder, isn't it exactly the same as writing that I
laugh at murder? Yes, of course, but then, as PV recognized, manipulation is
his daily occupation here).
> PV (Propagandist and Violator)
A Planet Visitor
>
>"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>??????:des1tvo63e9pvfftg...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:50:43 GMT, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
>> >??????:n11osvommrcialdc1...@4ax.com...
>> >> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 05:16:48 GMT, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> "I can be deceitful 3 times in a few
>> >> >lines, if I want"
euro is into forgery now. How desperate. And just like his MESSIAH. Of
course.. two can play at that game, euro. However, it's not necessary with you...
because you manage to insult humanity in your own words.
>> It's rather nice that you demonstrate your deceit, euro. Since that is certainly not
>> a quote from me... yet you would lie and contend that it is.
>> >> >:bkifsvkqfm3oob1sf...@4ax.com...
>> >> >> On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:06:48 GMT, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >(snipped)
>> >> >
>> >> >> >I don't need any savior, PV. I never used this word, actually. I defy you to
>> >> >> >find a URL to prove the contrary.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> That would be this one --
>> >> >>
>>
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=dccefe1b2a9c20dd7479a9ef7923a3c9%40news.meganetnews.com
>> >> >
>> >> >This posting doesn't express I have a savior. How deceitful from you
>(1)
>> >> >
>> >> Just as much as any of my posts used the word "zoophile," euro. The
>> >> EXPRESSION of you finding Desmond to be your 'SAVIOR,' is quite
>> >> in evidence. The simpering, toady manner in which you agree with
>> >> your MESSIAH, in his LAUGHING at murder.
>> >
>> >LOL!!! How ridiculous from you. I never laughed at murder, but I often laugh
>> >at you. Are you sure you're not confusing yourself with murder?
>> >
>> I never said you did... Thus, you are again a proven liar, and again deceptively
>> trying to 'rearrange' my words. I said you AGREED with him laughing.
>
>And I didn't agree with anyone laughing at murder, either.
Of course you did. This is what you AGREED with -- See
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/desmond_gimmick_100.html
>I do observe,
>besides, that you don't react at posters laughing at people being killed in
>the same way, depending on who those posters are. Your continuous bringing
>here Desmond's posting only makes more visible that you never refer to other
>posters who made fun at the 10,000 or so persons who died in France last
>summer.
>
Once again.. you are a liar. On 22 Aug -- See --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=aqodkvkacl500p1rr4vteh4d8acs4arasm%404ax.com
My words to William Roberts disgusting comment of 21 Aug at
the first moment of reading it --
"Jesus... please find another way to focus your hate for the French,
rather than express some 'glee' over the deaths of so many people!!"
And when William Robert said "God bless America!" I remarked --
"You certainly haven't done anything here to suggest that God should."
Again on 22 Aug - See --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=75odkvkikldvrd4dgdur11ng77fkctfis0%404ax.com
In which I stated "There is little question in my mind that any expressions such
as that offered are obscene. And it is not my intention to 'defend' that
comment, since I have already called it a tragedy of epic proportions, with a
deep sense of heartache over that terrible loss of life. William Robert's
comment was certainly beyond the pale in any sense of a respect for human
life."
While YOU USED those deaths to try and advance YOUR AGENDA...
without the slightest concern for those victims -- See --
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=95af5f5f87c271d0cff865c06d6f4574%40news.meganetnews.com
Your words.. you evil little swine -- ".... in Iraq, one doesn't know if heat
killed anyone, but one knows more or less how many innocents have been
killed by the feverishness of the occupation forces."
In fact you will find no other post from anyone here, who criticized William Robert
before I did. At that time, I had no idea of the extent of that problem having heard
it was 50 dead in Paris. My post is dated 13 Aug. See -
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=p51mjvc6j7cpj4j9nlq9h36e1q026gtij6%404ax.com
You need to read all my comments in the thread "87 degrees in Paris." Which
preceded the other disgusting thread "Culling of the French Elderly."
BUT---
I don't see a SINGLE comment from you, that actually speaks to the tragedy
in France... only one that tries to USE that tragedy to advance your own agenda.
Just as your MESSIAH did. Could you point me to one of your posts that DID
speak of the VICTIMS, without USING them? There ARE NONE, in either
of the threads ""87 degrees in Paris" and "Culling of the French Elderly."
Except for the one mentioned above in which you try to USE those deaths,
and don't seem to really care about them. So typical of the methods used
by your MESSIAH... when he laughed at the murder of more than a dozen
human beings, as he USED them in his own agenda. So, I don't think you
actually CONCERNED yourself with the victims... but simply tried to USE them.
You sick, evil swine. Not caring at all about those victims of the heat... but
trying to USE them... in your own agenda.
>But that, once again, is just one more proof that:
>
euro is a sick, evil swine. Confirmed.
>1/ you lie when you affirm that I agree with anyone laughing at murders;
Of course you do...and you did.
>2/ you lie when you affirm that that person was laughing at murder, in this
>particular case;
That's because you use the same METHODS as Goebbels and your MESSIAH.
You find nothing WRONG with USING victims of heat or murder to advance
your own agenda.
>3/ your indignation at that poster appears to be totally fake and
>hypocritical, as you don't express the same indignation at other posters who
>_did_ write bad jokes on a tragedy that killed 10,000 persons.
>
Ah... but I did, euro. In a number of posts. Where are yours?
>Euro (Goebbels was polite to the Jews)
>(remaining PV's other lies snipped... by the way, if PV writes I agree with
>someone laughing at murder, isn't it exactly the same as writing that I
>laugh at murder? Yes, of course, but then, as PV recognized, manipulation is
>his daily occupation here).
Of course it is quite obvious that you tried to separate yourself from that
laughing... but you AGREED with YOUR MESSIAH laughing.
PV
http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/desmond_gimmick_index.html
>> PV (Propagandist and Violator)
euro says - "Murderers are humane."
Euro
> On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 05:37:54 GMT, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
> >??????:des1tvo63e9pvfftg...@4ax.com...
> >> On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:50:43 GMT, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq>
> >> >??????:n11osvommrcialdc1...@4ax.com...
> >> >> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 05:16:48 GMT, "Euro" <vs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"A Planet Visitor" <abc...@zbqytr.ykq> "I can be deceitful 3 times in a few
> >> >> >lines, if I want"
>
> euro is into forgery now. How desperate. And just like his MESSIAH. Of
> course.. two can play at that game, euro. However, it's not necessary with you...
> because you manage to insult humanity in your own words.
LOL!!! That from someone who, over the last weeks and months, has
equally applied this process, is utterly funny. If such methods
scandalize you, why do you constantly use them?
Euro
(snipping some 100 lines in which PV tries to hide the fact that,
while he constantly brings about Desmond's sarcasm about a terrorist
action in Indonesia that killed less than 15 persons to make it appear
as a laugh at the victims, he never mentions William Robert's sarcasm
about the French elderly last summer - double standard as usual, but
one could not hope for any intellectual honesty from PV, the most
deceitful and obnoxious poster here).
> PV (Propagandist and Violator)