Daily Spirit-guided WDJW health tip for 03/26/09
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
healthier (hungrier) than ever.
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2009th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus want?"
(WDJW):
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
Hunger is the physical "hearts burning" feeling that unlocks the 4
mysteries of the "Road to Emmaus" adventure described in Luke 24:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/386f56c2f6d0b154?
Moreover, being hungrier is the key to being Jesus' disciples:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bd20d7c4fe878897?
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Jesus is LORD, forever !!!
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier for mind, body, and soul:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
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http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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Believers are away with the fairies
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/features/3631819/Believers-are-away-with-the-fairies.html
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Excerpts [with one insert, not part of originating
article, included in brackets]:
...
In the US, the religious Right numbers about
35 million. Recent polls show that about 30
million Americans define themselves as hav-
ing no religious commitment.
But whereas the religious Right is a formidable
body whose constituent churches and move-
ments have salaried administrators, vast funds,
television and radio outlets, and paid Washing-
ton lobbyists, America's non-religious folk are
simply unconnected individuals.
It is no surprise that the religious Right has
political clout and can make a loud noise in the
American public square, whereas the non-reli-
gious voice is muted.
There are two main reasons for the hardening
of responses by non-religious folk.
One is that any increase in the influence of reli-
gious bodies in society threatens the de facto
secular arrangement that allows all views and
none to coexist. History has shown that in soci-
eties where one religious outlook becomes
dominant, an uneasy situation ensues for other
outlooks; at the extreme, religious control of
society can degenerate into Taliban-like rule.
Look at the period in which liberty of conscience
was at last secured in Christian Europe - the 16th
and 17th centuries. It was an exceptionally bloody
epoch: millions died as a result of a single church's
reluctance to give up its control over what people
can be allowed to think and believe.
The famous Treaty of Westphalia in 1648 accepted
religious differences as the only way of preventing
religion from being an endless source of war. Reli-
gious peace did not come straight away, but even-
tually it arrived, and most of Europe for most of the
years since 1700 has been free of religiously moti-
vated strife.
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[insert -- one might be tempted to argue, strongly,
that the mass murder of the Jews and homosexuals
and gypsies (and others) had at its core centuries
of anti-Judaism instigated/supported by Catholic
theology, with all due respect to those who did use
their religion (and their humanity, or their humanity
with minimal influence from religion) to try to help
the Jews (and others) who suffered at the hands
of the Nazis -- end insert]
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But this is under threat in the new climate of reli-
gious assertiveness.
Faith organisations are currently making common
cause to achieve their mutual ends, but, once they
have achieved them, what is to stop them remem-
bering that their faiths are mutually exclusive and
indeed mutually blaspheming, and that the history
of their relationship is one of bloodshed?
The second reason why secular attitudes are hard-
ening relates to the reflective non-religious person's
attitude to religion itself.
Religious belief of all kinds shares the same intel-
lectual respectability, evidential base, and rationality
as belief in the existence of fairies.
This remark outrages the sensibilities of those who
have deep deep religious convictions and attach-
ments, and they regard it as insulting. But the truth
is that everyone takes this attitude about all but one
(or a very few) of the gods that have ever been
claimed to exist.
No reasonably orthodox Christian believes in Aphro-
dite or the rest of the Olympian deities, or in Ganesh
the Elephant God or the rest of the Hindu pantheon,
or in the Japanese emperor, and so endlessly on
- and officially (as a matter of Christian orthodoxy)
he or she must say that anyone who sincerely be-
lieves in such deities is deluded and blasphemously
in pursuit of "false gods".
The atheist adds just one more deity to the list of
those not believed in; namely, the one remaining
on the Christian's or Jew's or Muslim's list.
...
Judaism, Christianity and Islam are young religions
in historical terms, and came into existence after
kings and emperors had more magnificently taken
the place of tribal chiefs. The new religions there-
fore modelled their respective deities on kings
with absolute powers.
But for tens of thousands of years beforehand
people were fundamentally animistic, explaining
the natural world by imputing agency to things
- spirits or gods in the wind, in the thunder, in the
rivers and sea.
As knowledge replaced these naiveties, so deities
became more invisible, receding to mountain tops
and then to the sky or the earth's depths. One can
easily see how it was in the interests of priest-
hoods, most of which were hereditary, to keep
these myths alive.
With such a view of religion - as ancient supersti-
tion, as a primitive form of explanation of the world
sophisticated into mythology - it is hard for non-
religious folk to take it seriously, and equally hard
for them to accept the claim of religious folk to a
disproportionate say in running society.
This is the more so given that the active constitu-
ency of all believers in Britain is about eight per
cent of the population.
...
The disproportion is a staring one. Regular Church
of England churchgoers make up three per cent of
the population ...
And all this is happening against the background
of atrocities committed by religious fanatics in
America, Europe and the Middle East, whose
beliefs are not very different from the majority of
others in their faith.
The absolute certainty, the unreflective credence
given to ancient texts that relate to historically
remote conditions, the zealotry and bigotry that
flow from their certainty, are profoundly danger-
ous: at their extreme they result in mass murder,
but long before then they issue in censorship,
coercion to conform, the control of women, the
closing of hearts and minds.
Thus there is a continuum from the suicide bom-
ber driven by religious zeal to the moral crusader
who wishes to stop everyone else from seeing
or reading what he himself finds offensive. This
fact makes people of a secular disposition no
longer prepared to be silent and concessive.
Religion has lost respectability as a result of the
atrocities committed in its name, because of its
clamouring for an undue slice of the pie, and for
its efforts to impose its views on others.
Where politeness once restrained non-religious
folk from expressing their true feelings about
religion, both politeness and restraint have been
banished by the confrontational face that faith
now turns to the modern world.
This, then, is why there is an acerbic quarrel go-
ing on between religion and non-religion today,
and it does not look as if it will end soon.
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http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman
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Verity, Enlightenment, & Rationality)
~~~
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
GOD is where widows and orphans receive care in their distress **and**
where folks keep themselves from being polluted by the world:
"Religion that GOD our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this:
to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself
from being polluted by the world." (James 1:27)
Amen.
Is there such a religion on planet earth?
No.
Bottom line:
There exists no religion that is acceptable to GOD !!!
Thankfully, Christianity is not a religion but a personal relationship
with LORD Jesus Christ, Who has ascended physically to be at the right
hand of GOD the Father and Who remains spiritually with those of us,
who are His disciples (either Jew or gentile), in the Spirit, until
the end of the world (Matthew 28:19-20):
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheRapture
May GOD soften your heart, Pro-Humanist, so that you would come to
trust the truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Human Geneticist and Molecular Biologist
http://EmoryCardiology.com
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
> "Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" wrote ...
>> - - -
>> Believers are away with the fairies
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/features/3631819/Believers-are-away-with-the-fairies.html
>> - - -
>>
>> Excerpts [with one insert, not part of originating
>> article, included in brackets]:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> History has shown that in societies where one
>> [...]
Youth-Brainwashing-Hitler's Germany
(Top Posts - History - 012805)
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/history/youth_brainwashing_hitlers_germany.htm
I'm watching a show on the history channel (from an
old tape I recorded) called "Youth of the Third Reich"
right now. It's amazing, the similarity in the way the very
young were entrapped in Nazism and the same exact
methodologies used to entrap children in religious faith.
The last to die for Hitler? Children, boys, devoted to the
end for the cause they were raised from a very young
age to follow.
Quotes from early in the episode: "How do you attract
children? By promising that they'll be very special. ...
.. the promise of being part of something great gave
them a feeling of security, and made them obedient ...
... the seducer ignored their minds, and played on their
feelings ... if the majority of adults succumb to the mania,
then children are easy prey ... the allure of the Hitler youth
was so strong that there was no need for compulsion - it
worked even on those excluded ...
... brainwashing, in carefully measured doses, at an age
when the personality is developing ... the words of songs
repeated a 100 times, the strongest weapons in children's
hearts ... words they would never forget ...
... (from a lady raised in the Reich) -- 'We adopted those
words unthinkingly, we just rattled off what we were taught
because we thought it must be right.' ..."
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The similarity to the way children are raised within religion
is undeniable, and exactly the same as the Nazi youth, with
brains being turned off, and children treated as naught but
puppets to be molded into exactly what the ruling authority
desires, just as the ruling authority was brainwashed as
children, and so the cycle continues, from one generation
to the next, with few exceptions, with most children in the
world submitted to religious brainwashing from which they
struggle their entire lives, oft-times repeating the cycle with
their own children ...
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A German woman comments, recently: "Exactly like God,
for me he was exactly like God." (her reference, over 50
years after the events, to her feelings regarding Hitler)
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Father Haskell
wrote:
> Actually, it is written that the only religion that is acceptable to
(snip)
If not for religion, we'd have landed on the moon 10,000 years ago.
Andrew Z. Chung Md/PhD
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emory.edu> wrote in message
Andrew Chung:
Is a frequent and proven liar (evidence archived forever on Google)
Has lost numerous NNTP accounts with supernews and others, has had many
Google accounts nuked, and his vanity domain heartmdphd.com is now
banned from setting up accounts. He is instead using multiple Google
sock accounts and email addresses in the format lo...@thetruth.com (#
being a number)
Is unemployed after being sacked with cause from his one and only job
after just over 80 days
Fled the state of Florida, and now claims to practice in Georgia despite
having no admission priveliges in the State's hospitals
Runs a phony foundation with a total declared income of circa $200, the
ownership and contact details of which are obfuscated on its website
Makes failed prophecies concerning earthquakes with areas and dates,
which don't happen (remember the bible quotes about false prophets)
Performed a public attempt at 'exorcising' a Malaysian sock on usenet,
then denied doing it. He has recently reversed position again and admits
to practicing exorcism by usenet, proving himself a liar in the process.
Promotes a dangerous diet, with a million dollar guarantee that he
demands thirty dollars to access details of. This despite being
unemployed. His soliciting and spamming for donations looks to be
similar to the Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud, where victims pay money
upfront in the hope of coming into riches but find they have merely
bought into a lie. Part of his advice is to pour nail polish remover onto
food.
Declares he has a cardiology practice despite posting night and day from
the same IP address (his home presumably) or a coffee shop internet cafe
Makes further false prophecies that we should now be all dying in a bird
flu pandemic. When these fail to happen, he does them all over again and
changes the dates. Nuclear war is another Chung spciality, which
naturally doesn't happen when he says it is going to.
Worships evil hatemonger Fred Phelps and will not denounce the acts of
Westboro's congregation. He even accuses someone with the name Phelps of
being Fred's son and refuses to accept he is completely wrong.
Uses the same patter as Pat Robertson, indicating his religious activity
is confined to watching cable TV. No evidence Chung has ever attended a
church.
Has a tendency to cyberstalk, particularly women. His wife fled some
time ago to another state, an act which Chung tries to pass off as "being
on vacation".
Frequently passes himself off as being qualified in areas such as
endocrinology, despite making incredibly fundamental blunders in his
'advice'. It is no wonder the Florida heart facility terminated him, and
has publicly denounced his version of events. Again archived on Google.
Don't forget the fake fast, where he didn't lose any weight, as well as
the infamous 666 stamping fiasco. His latest vile trick is spamming the
blogs of dying cancer patients and then crowing triumphantly when they
pass away.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
<><
What we are teaching to prepare folks for the eventuality of a
catastrophic Pan-Flu:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmkax1wbRU
How to not be fearful:
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2009th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
Hunger is the physical "hearts burning within us" feeling that unlocks
the 4 mysteries of the "Road to Emmaus" adventure described in Luke
24:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/386f56c2f6d0b154?
Moreover, being hungrier is the key to being Jesus' disciples:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bd20d7c4fe878897?
Being physically hungrier is how we will physically recognize Jesus
when He physically returns for us to meet Him physically in the air:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ffa6609710ea9587?
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Trust the truth, Who is Jesus (T3WIJ):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/11194899724b810d?
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier:
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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To live is but a brief glimpse
of all that ever was
and all that ever will be.
To think, to seek, to know,
values worth living for,
for in the thinking is the seeking,
and in the seeking is the knowing
of that which can and cannot be,
and that best left a mystery.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> To live is but a brief glimpse
> of all that ever was
> and all that ever will be.
Correct.
This is why eternal life remains desirable:
"For GOD so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that
whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life." --
LORD Jesus Christ (John 3:16)
Amen.
May GOD soften your heart, Pro-Humanist, so that you would come to
trust the truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Human Geneticist and Molecular Biologist
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote ...
> Pro-Humanist FREELOVER wrote:
>> - - -
>>
>> To live is but a brief glimpse
>> of all that ever was
>> and all that ever will be.
> Correct.
>
> This is why eternal life remains desirable:
>
> [...]
The remainder of the post you failed to
respond to:
>> To think, to seek, to know,
>> values worth living for,
>>
>> for in the thinking is the seeking,
>> and in the seeking is the knowing
>> of that which can and cannot be,
>> and that best left a mystery.
>>
>> - - -
You don't demonstrate respect for thinking
or for seeking. As for knowing, you don't
seem to know much about the realm out-
side the mindsets of the mostly anonymous
writers and interpolators and translators of
the bible.
What can be? See naturalism for the reality
of the legitimate limitations and rational hopes
in the real world.
What cannot be? A God said to be dark
and light, to be anything one wishes it to
be, to be contradictory, to be loving and
hateful, to be perfect and anti-human, to
be pleasant immortality provider and
eternal damnation torturer/destroyer, that
cannot be. It's irrefutably illogical -and-
totally non-evidential.
Mystery? What resides outside the known,
and scientific inquiry and research is human-
kind's best hope of revealing as much of
that as we can.
God, simply an emotional tool used for
brainwashing and power, a deceitful tool
used for control, a hideous lie foisted on
the American people as 'good' -or- worth-
while -if- you believe it, but whatever you
do, don't dare speak up about your dis-
belief or doubt in it, 'cause, well, see the
so-called 'holy' bible for a long list of all
the threats that have been pumped into
western minds ever since murderer Con-
stantine converted to christianity and,
upon becoming emperor, directed reli-
gious types to come up with the assem-
blage of documents now known as the
christian bible.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f878133442190ecf?
>
> The remainder of the post you failed to
> respond to:
It remains my personal choice to cross only those bridges that the
Holy Spirit guides me to reach because only then is there always
success :-)
Truth is simple :-)
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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Response to Andrew B. Chung:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> Response to Andrew B. Chung:
>
> You don't demonstrate respect for thinking
> or for seeking.
Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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To live is but a brief glimpse
of all that ever was
and all that ever will be.
To think, to seek, to know,
values worth living for,
for in the thinking is the seeking,
and in the seeking is the knowing
of that which can and cannot be,
and that best left a mystery.
- - -
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> To live is but a brief glimpse
> of all that ever was
> and all that ever will be.
And so GOD has instilled in our hearts a desire to live forever.
What is the way to live forever?
Jesus is the way ! ! !
"I am the way and the truth and the life." -- LORD Jesus Christ (John
14:6)
Amen.
Truth is simple :-)
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote ...
> Pro-Humanist FREELOVER wrote:
>> To live is but a brief glimpse
>> of all that ever was
>> and all that ever will be.
>>
>> To think, to seek, to know,
>> values worth living for,
>>
>> for in the thinking is the seeking,
>> and in the seeking is the knowing
>> of that which can and cannot be,
>> and that best left a mystery.
> And so GOD has instilled in our hearts a desire to live forever.
>
> [...]
Thinking? Per you, God doesn't like that.
Seeking? Per you, folks should close their
minds to any option that doesn't include
God in the picture.
Knowing? Per you, God doesn't like that
-if- it doesn't include God in the picture.
Living forever, per you, God must be part
of that, the Christian God being the only
one, all other religions being part of the
damned.
Christianity, per you, is the only way to get
it, immortality, and naturalism leads to dam-
nation, Islam leads to damnation, Judaism
leads to damnation, Hinduism leads to dam-
nation.
There's a better way, and Christianity and
brainwashing children to blindly follow and
hellfire and brimstone attitudes isn't it.
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See Pro-Humanist FREELOVER principles
and the following website for a clues as to
why the religion you follow isn't the way.
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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We'd Be Better Off Without Religion
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/disbelief/better_off_without_religion.htm
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Wisdom for the Wary, Witty, and Wise
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/philosophy_general/wary_witty_wise.htm
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Myths taught as "make believe" rather than reality
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/disbelief/myths_taught_as_make_believe.htm
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Any questions?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> Thinking?
No.
Desires are of the heart and not the brain.
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote ...
> Pro-Humanist FREELOVER wrote:
>> Thinking? [...]
> No.
>
> [...]
Sad, a reflection of your religious
indoctrination.
Actual post in its entirety that A.B.C.
was unable or unwilling to respond to
past the first word.
"Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" <prohu...@ghg.net>
wrote in message news:49dcd3c1$0$30999$7836...@newsrazor.net...
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
>Sad, a reflection of your religious
>indoctrination.
Incorrect.
It remains my personal choice to not be religious:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/NoReligion
Truth is simple.
Tiger Lily
> --
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Human Geneticist and Molecular Biologist
> http://WDJW.net
interesting, no longer claiming to be a cardiologist?
guess your license expired and wasn't renewed
geeeeeee wonder why THAT happened? no patients? or all the crap you post?
and now a Geneticist and Molecular Biologist? has daddy been paying you
to go to school again?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
>
> interesting, no longer claiming to be a cardiologist?
Still am that too.
Truth is simple :-)
May GOD soften your heart, Kate, so that you would come to trust the
truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist,
Human Geneticist,
Andreew Choong
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:c07d3224-1577-4ffa...@r17g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
> convicted neighbor Kate (aka Tiger Lily) wrote:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>
>> > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cf8aa886424a5491?
>>
>> interesting, no longer claiming to be a cardiologist?
>
> Still am that too.
You are nothing.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
<><
"The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the
LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)
Amen.
A Spirit-guided exegesis of Proverbs 16:33 ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/085dcffcafb7e4e2?
Nothing happens by chance because everything happens only as GOD
allows it (Ecclesiastes 9:11):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21527d1832960109?
Sign that GOD can easily unleash an H5N1 Pandemic (Pan-Flu) at any
time:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a4581567229974c0?
What we are teaching to prepare folks for the eventuality of a
catastrophic Pan-Flu:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmkax1wbRU
How to not be fearful:
Trust the truth, Who is Jesus !!!
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/386f56c2f6d0b154?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bd20d7c4fe878897?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ffa6609710ea9587?
Amen.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Jesus is LORD, forever !!!
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier for mind, body, and soul:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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To Think, To Seek, To Know, Values Worth Living For
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/philosophy_freelover/to_think_to_seek_to_know.htm
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Dust In the Wind
(originally posted August 17, 2001)
Wednesday, 15 August, 2001, 13:07 GMT 14:07 UK
Life from space dust?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1492000/1492411.stm
Excerpt:
"Nasa's Genesis mission may bring some answers.
Astrophysicists say particles swirling around planets
could have been transformed into the building blocks
of life by the solar wind, then fallen to Earth as dust.
A Polish team says it has shown in the laboratory
that a biological molecule is formed when space dust
is zapped with a high-energy beam of light.
But other scientists are sceptical about claims that
life arrived on this planet from outer space.
Thousands of tonnes of dust from space enter the
Earth's atmosphere each year.
Open question ...
"But did it really happen? If you think that you could
have generated some of these building blocks out in
space, the thing to do is go out in space and have
a look," he said.
Genesis probe
Nasa launched the Genesis mission two weeks ago:
an unmanned mission to collect solar winds and dust.
Its Genesis spacecraft will travel a million miles towards
the Sun, open a lid and expose a series of arrays ready
to pick up solar wind particles.
After three years the lid will close and the craft will return
to Earth with about 20 micrograms of solar wind. ..."
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Poignant excerpts from "Losing My Religion"
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Complete "Losing My Religion" episode:
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Follow-up 1 ... A response to "stillsunny" ... What is it, this thing
we call life, and what is it that makes us think that humans are the
most intelligent life on the planet?
The construct for assignation (life, most intelligent) is a means by
which humankind seeks to dissect and designate and deal with the
world around us.
Being within the whole and knowing so little (or so much - who
can say, really?) relative to an unknown totality of all that is, one
can only, I submit, rationally deal with that which we know by
virtue of being as open-minded to that which we know as we
possibly can be, constraining ourselves within the known and
the falsifiable, disciplining ourselves so that adventures outside
that which we know are *not* treated as realities, but rather as
intellectual adventures into the unknown ...
...*not* by treating the unknown as something manipulatable/re-
sponsive to our own constructs, fears, wants, needs, desires, as
if the unknown was *our* personal possession and reality exists
in a manner that 'wanting it to be so' can make it so.
That methodology is nothing but an attempt to 'be god', fuel
for
imagination-treated-as-reality,
quite apart from
imagination-treated-as-probability ...
hesitates ... ponders ramifications of god-treated-as-reality with
god apart from the known ... returns to sanity, submitting that god
can only be relevant if god becomes part of the known, for to
unknow your way to god is to unknow your way to -- 'make
believe' treated as reality -- he thinks, but then again, what is this
thing called 'think' ... ? ... ...
Last night, I had a dream that I was trying to sell my van to my
grandfather (on my mother's side) who passed away a number
of years ago ... my grandfather wasn't sure if he could afford
the payment and I was pondering the decision and comparing
it to the amount I would receive for the van being totaled (as if
it being totaled was reality which, in the dream, it was not, but
which was an actual event which happened in real life to my car,
not my van) as that would lend a distinct payoff + rather than
a monthly payment to pay it off in time ... my dad was in the
dream ... time did not exist in the dream even though it was in
the dream ... often, my dreams have no 'time' constituent ... it's
as if that dreamworld is some reflection back on a time before
we, as an evolved species, had a concept we now know as
time ...
Oh well, back to reality, as such is life, or such is that we per-
ceive as life and hey, outside our perceptions, what our we ... ? ...
Another tidbit ... always, when you feel yourself getting angry
or depressed or aside from that which you would like to feel,
always, count to -10-, slowly, meditatively, breathing deeply,
mind freed of worries ... one thousand one ... one thousand
two ... one thousand three ... one thousand four ... one thou-
sand five ... one thousand six ... one thousand seven ... one
thousand eight ... one thousand nine ... one thousand ten ...
Just a thought ... I've been trying it recently and it definitely
works for me ...
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Follow-up 2 ... Acting on the "count-to-10 method", a 2nd
response to "stillsunny" ...
I used it a few times today ... it helps ... had a weird trip into
the world of ex-wife/IRS/$/reality/surreality/what's right-what's
wrong-what matters-what doesn't today, and funny thing, that,
reality juxtaposed against our discussion and 'Dust In the Wind'
and facing that which each of us is, in this life, in this world, and
knowing the limitations of our own selves and, well, of course,
with the ex-wife and the love I feel for her and the despair in the
unrequited nature of that love and ... well ... the tears and all ...
it can be very emotionally on the cusp and ... anyway ... it does
help, the knowing, the understanding, the grasping of that which
is behind the veneer of the manner in which we deal with life,
with one another ...
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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Why is the U.S. the most Pro-Religious /
Evolution-Ignorant Country?
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http://www.religioustolerance.org/rel_comp.htm
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Religion? The U.S. is one of the most religious
countries in the world on this survey.
Evolution? The U.S. is dead last - what does that
say regarding the U.S.? What does that say about
what the U.S. is about? Certainly, it doesn't speak
well for our ability to educate our children.
Are we, the U.S., a pseudo-theocracy, with a system
designed to separate church-state in a manner which
has, due not to intent, but instead, to design and the
attributions of the politicians/authority figures to God
for good and non-God for bad, led to the promotion
of generational brainwashing of children to pro-faith
and anti-science?
...
If so, if we have created a system whereby promotion
of faith via brainwashing thrives, while science and
education suffer, while children suffer, while human
lives go to waste in a futile effort to treat god as real
and faith as worthy, how do we correct the problem?
Let me ask you this. Why, for the love of all that
is human and worthwhile, why do most in the U.S.
pretend that God exists, thanking God as if God
exists as a real entity, talking to God as if God exists
as a real entity?
... ... ... ....
Certainly, we adore freedom, but does that really
require that we act as meek slaves to a bygone
day in which ...
Folks lived in fear for their very lives if they did
not ...
Worship/enslave themselves in the right way to the
right deity?
... ... ... ...
RAD - stop the faith, keep the freedom, test the
God. If God exists, God reveals itself. If God
doesn't exist, God does nothing. If God exists
and does nothing, God cares not to demonstrate
it exists and God, only God, bears moral respon-
sibility for that choice...
Remember the Old Testamyth? Not a meek and
secret and faith-required deity, we're talking there,
we're talking a live-viable-interfacing deity and as
no god is my witness, it's time *that* god shows
up or
1) We, as humankind, get with the program of
a natural god-free life in a natural god-free
world,
-and-
2) We, as humankind, choose to live free of God
myths unless God chooses to reveal itself in a
real and substantive (non-imaginary) manner.
Simple, that.
As no God is my witness, I submit that God will do/
say/demonstrate nothing when asked to do so in a
non-imaginary way. Why? Because God does not
exist.
All is nature.
Vocanoes, earthquakes, asteroids, comets, tidal
waves, floods, hurricanes, plagues ... we are natural
beings in a natural world with sole absolute respon-
sibility for our own destiny, and we alone must deal
with the forces and whims of nature ...
No religious faith, no god, no imagined thing can
change that because no god / imagined thing im-
parts anything other than an imagined impact upon
our real and vibrant life experience ...
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If (when) God does not demonstrate its existence,
isn't it about time that humankind gives it up, the an-
cient myths, and leave them behind as something
cooked up by ancient humans without a clue about
how humanity has evolved and how the universe
has evolved via natural means in a natural world.
Humans can then be emboldened to drop the reli-
gious faiths and live a natural life in a natural world,
taking total and full responsibility for our own destiny,
something we should have been doing all along ...
Farewell to ancient religious faith, to ancient myths
which fall far short of experiential reality ...
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> Why is the U.S. the most Pro-Religious /
> Evolution-Ignorant Country?
It is what GOD wants :-)
Truth is simple :-)
May GOD soften your heart, Pro-Humanist, so that you would come to
trust the truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Human Geneticist and Molecular Biologist
http://WDJW.net
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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Isn't God simply imagination pretending
one (or more) has power/knowledge?
How does God differ from any imaginary entity
that is (for various reasons) treated as a reality,
rather than imaginary? In other words, anyone
can say "God says _____" (insert attribution to
God's emotions, feelings, deeds, purpose, pro-
mises, threats, existence here), but upon careful
consideration, doesn't God simply translate to
imagination pretending one (or more) has power/
knowledge?
Is it a legitimate and morally reputable enterprise,
all that is constructed around the God notion, when
it yields the likes of guys flying planes into buildings
for the same reason (imagining there is a God that
says "_____") that little Tommy asks God for a new
toy?
Is it a testable enterprise, all that is constructed
around the God notion, when anything that happens
can be attributed to it (as being responsible) or dis-
claimed (as being not responsible, with the ultimate
responsibility residing elsewhere)?
Is it a philosophically valid enterprise, when the dif-
ference between God and nothing is indistinguish-
able by virtue of a non-existent God and an existent
God yielding the same result? In other words, if
naturalism is infinite, and a particular form of matter
with the ability to comprehend itself, and to transfer
information about itself and its surroundings to suc-
ceeding generations, resulted at a particular time
and place within that infinite domain ...
... until that form of matter developed a thorough
understanding of infinite naturalism, wouldn't that
form of matter make up explanations for the un-
known? The evidence is clear on that matter, on
earth, and when you combine millions upon millions
of years of naturalistic evolution -with- a particular
form of matter possessing the ability to compre-
hend itself, what resulted was that form of matter
using "make believe treated as reality" in order to
seek advantage in a competitive (and oft-times
hostile) environment. ...
... I am of the firm conviction (but open, believe
it or not, to being convinced otherwise) that God
is simply "make believe treated as reality", passed
down generation-to-generation as a manifestation
of absolute control, absolute authority, absolute
answers for unknowns. When it no longer takes
"make believe" to construct God, that's when it
becomes real, for me, personally. Until then, I
remain convinced that God is simply the ultimate
"make believe" entity, a construct of the imagina-
tion of evolved apes, an expression of ultimate
pretense.
The result of the God construct? Often, not good,
and always, ever-present within the construct, is
the nagging persisting knowledge (for those not
inflicted with temporal lobe disorders and other
psychological afflictions like schizophrenia) that
the ancient "bag of tricks" does *not* reflect
reality, but instead, reflects "make believe treated
as ultimate reality" ...
... That's why so much religious focus is placed
on ritualistic ceremonies, sermons, reading the
ancient mythical literature, inculcating children
into the faith system of the ancients, etc. ... it's
not because God exists that this is done, it's
because God doesn't exist, and many evolved
apes would rather have a "wrong" absolute an-
swer (socially-culturally-religiously acceptable
amongst evolved apes of particular tribes) than
an answer which ends with a question mark, as
in an admission that infinite naturalism leaves
questions unanswered ...
... and when children ask "Why am I here?" or
"Where did we come from?" or "Where am I
going?", the temptation is so strong for evolved
apes to use the ancient myths, that many (not
all) continue to pretend that the ultimate myth
(called God) is true, while knowing (in their
more lucid moments), it's just "make believe
being treated (by most) as ultimate reality" in
a manner reflecting ultimate pretense and (on
a deeper level) ultimate dishonesty. ...
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
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>
>Isn't God simply imagination pretending
>one (or more) has power/knowledge?
No amount of imagination is going to help you and other non-christians
publicly say "Jesus is LORD" as discussed in an earlier post:
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