Re: Knee Pain
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Over the past two weeks I've suddenly developed two very painful knees
> without having had any accidents, twisting, etc.
>
> I'm wondering if this might be related to the use of insulin. I have
> been fighting tendon problems all over my body all year, but they have
> calmed down. My bgs have been very good all this time.
>
> The pain in my one knee came out of nowhere, limits my ability to walk,
> and the knee is making clicking sounds, too. I have never had a single
> bit of knee pain before in my life and no knee injuries.
>
> I'm not even sure which kind of doctor to see for this. When I had
> problems in my foot two years ago I went to a rheumatologist who said,
> "At your age, of course you have arthritis." Then he sent me for an
> x-ray that showed no arthritis. At that point he shrugged and said,
> "Don't know what it is" and sent me for a cortisone treatment that
> messed up my bgs and did nothing for the foot. I don't want to repeat
> that experience!
> Any ideas, folks?
Start by informing your primary doctor about your new symptoms.
If you have been low-carbing, you may be at higher risk for gout.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/hsada
tund...@hotmail.com
Her primary doctor has so far failed to do anything useful for her,
what the hell do you think he's gonna do for her in the future?
Moron. Board certified quack.
TC
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> > > without having had any accidents, twisting, etc.
**emphasis** added.
> > > I'm wondering if this might be related to the use of insulin. I have
> > > been fighting tendon problems all over my body all year, but they have
> > > calmed down. My bgs have been very good all this time.
> > >
> > > The pain in my one knee came out of nowhere, limits my ability to walk,
> > > and the knee is making clicking sounds, too. I have never had a single
> > > bit of knee pain before in my life and no knee injuries.
> > >
> > > I'm not even sure which kind of doctor to see for this. When I had
> > > problems in my foot two years ago I went to a rheumatologist who said,
> > > "At your age, of course you have arthritis." Then he sent me for an
> > > x-ray that showed no arthritis. At that point he shrugged and said,
> > > "Don't know what it is" and sent me for a cortisone treatment that
> > > messed up my bgs and did nothing for the foot. I don't want to repeat
> > > that experience!
> > > Any ideas, folks?
> >
> > Start by informing your primary doctor about your new symptoms.
> >
> > If you have been low-carbing, you may be at higher risk for gout.
>
> Her primary doctor has so far failed to do anything useful for her,
> what the hell do you think he's gonna do for her in the future?
Her primary doctor apparently does not know about the knee pains.
See **emphasis** above.
> Moron. Board certified quack.
Name-calling remains a tell for those with satan's mark emblazoned
across their foreheads.
To understand this, simply surf the link under my name.
Will pray for your poor enslaved soul, dear neighbor.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/hsada
Al
Surf my dick Chung. Anything emblazoned on it?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
> > Name-calling remains a tell for those with satan's mark emblazoned
> > across their foreheads.
> >
> > To understand this, simply surf the link under my name.
>
> Surf my dick Chung.
Preoccupation with matters of the flesh also remains a tell for those
with satan's mark emblazoned across their foreheads.
> Anything emblazoned on it?
Yes. See above.
Still praying for your poor enslaved soul, dear Al.
b...@nospam.com
".259290@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Jenny wrote:
> > Over the past two weeks I've suddenly developed two very painful knees
> > without having had any accidents, twisting, etc.
> >
> > I'm wondering if this might be related to the use of insulin. I have
> > been fighting tendon problems all over my body all year, but they have
> > calmed down. My bgs have been very good all this time.
Sounds like more tendon problems to me. You can get tendon problems in the
knee from doing nothing more than walking around.
Make sure you take magnesium chloride (not magnesium oxide- body doesn't
absorb it) supplements- they can help with muscle and tendon problems and
diabetics are prone to low magesium.
Robert
Pastor Kutchie
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Al wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> >
> > > Name-calling remains a tell for those with satan's mark emblazoned
> > > across their foreheads.
Why should anybody take your word for this?
> > >
> > > To understand this, simply surf the link under my name.
No thanks, I don't like spam.
> >
> > Surf my dick Chung.
>
> Preoccupation with matters of the flesh also remains a tell for those
> with satan's mark emblazoned across their foreheads.
>
Again, why should anybody take your word for this?
> > Anything emblazoned on it?
>
> Yes. See above.
>
No, that's foreHEADS.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Al wrote:
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > >
> > > > Name-calling remains a tell for those with satan's mark emblazoned
> > > > across their foreheads.
>
> Why should anybody take your word for this?
You need not. Such is the power of the truth.
> > > >
> > > > To understand this, simply surf the link under my name.
>
> No thanks, I don't like spam.
You remind me of the little boy who when urged to open his present,
replied that did not want to because he did not like books.
> > > Surf my dick Chung.
> >
> > Preoccupation with matters of the flesh also remains a tell for those
> > with satan's mark emblazoned across their foreheads.
>
> Again, why should anybody take your word for this?
You need not. Again, such is the power of the truth.
> > > Anything emblazoned on it?
> >
> > Yes. See above.
>
> No, that's foreHEADS.
In your case, they are indistinguishable.
Still praying for your hapless soul, dear neighbor.
Pastor Kutchie
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Pastor Kutchie wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > Al wrote:
> > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Name-calling remains a tell for those with satan's mark emblazoned
> > > > > across their foreheads.
> >
> > Why should anybody take your word for this?
>
> You need not. Such is the power of the truth.
>
How the flying f*&k would you know?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
The LORD is the Source of all knowledge and wisdom.
HE is with Whom I am walking.
To understand this, simply surf the link under my name.
Still praying for your desperate enslaved soul, dear neighbor.
Pastor Kutchie
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Pastor Kutchie wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > Pastor Kutchie wrote:
> > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > Al wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Name-calling remains a tell for those with satan's mark emblazoned
> > > > > > > across their foreheads.
> > > >
> > > > Why should anybody take your word for this?
> > >
> > > You need not. Such is the power of the truth.
> >
> > How the flying f*&k would you know?
>
> The LORD is the Source of all knowledge and wisdom.
>
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
There you stand without the LORD begging for answers to your questions.
Here I stand with the LORD receiving from HIM all the answers that I
have been and will continue to share, GOD willing:
Still praying for your enslaved soul, dear neighbor.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
Pastor Kutchie
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Pastor Kutchie wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > Pastor Kutchie wrote:
> > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > Pastor Kutchie wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > Al wrote:
> > > > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Name-calling remains a tell for those with satan's mark emblazoned
> > > > > > > > > across their foreheads.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why should anybody take your word for this?
> > > > >
> > > > > You need not. Such is the power of the truth.
> > > >
> > > > How the flying f*&k would you know?
> > >
> > > The LORD is the Source of all knowledge and wisdom.
> > >
> > Which begs exactly the same question.
>
> There you stand without the LORD begging for answers to your questions.
>
You're the one begging the question, not me and not your imaginary
friend. Your failure to answer it is an answer in itself. You stand
condemned out of your own keyboard.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Pastor Kutchie wrote:
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > Pastor Kutchie wrote:
> > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > Pastor Kutchie wrote:
> > > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > > Al wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Name-calling remains a tell for those with satan's mark emblazoned
> > > > > > > > > > across their foreheads.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why should anybody take your word for this?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You need not. Such is the power of the truth.
> > > > >
> > > > > How the flying f*&k would you know?
> > > >
> > > > The LORD is the Source of all knowledge and wisdom.
> > > >
> > > Which begs exactly the same question.
> >
> > There you stand without the LORD begging for answers to your questions.
>
> You're the one begging the question, not me and not your imaginary
> friend.
It should be clear to the most casual observer who is begging here.
To understand this, simply surf the link under my name.
Still praying for your needy enslaved soul, dear neighbor.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/gj98a
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> I agree with what you are saying. No evidence exists of a deity. In
> fact I note that the very descriptions used by theologically minded
> individuals are crafted in ways that make god an indefinable entity
> entirely outside the ambit of reason.
>
> This however is not a proof that god does not exist. A rule of logic
> is that one must never attempt to prove a negative. This is because it
> cannot be done. The principle of logic is that the one asserting the
> positive must prove their claim.
>
> Theists assert an unknowable indefinable entity that exists beyond
> existence. The burden of proof is theirs. Atheists have nothing to
> prove.
A proof of GOD has been provided.
Atheists now have something to attempt to disprove.
The proof can be found by simply surfing the link under my name.
Will be praying for your enslaved soul, dear neighbor.
Pastor Kutchie
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Pastor Kutchie wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > Pastor Kutchie wrote:
> > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > Pastor Kutchie wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > Pastor Kutchie wrote:
> > > > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Al wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Name-calling remains a tell for those with satan's mark emblazoned
> > > > > > > > > > > across their foreheads.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Why should anybody take your word for this?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You need not. Such is the power of the truth.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How the flying f*&k would you know?
> > > > >
> > > > > The LORD is the Source of all knowledge and wisdom.
> > > > >
> > > > Which begs exactly the same question.
> > >
> > > There you stand without the LORD begging for answers to your questions.
> >
> > You're the one begging the question, not me and not your imaginary
> > friend.
>
> It should be clear to the most casual observer who is begging here.
>
>
It remains your choice to be completely evasive. That leaves nothing
being begged, you just continue to provide proof of your cowardice and
dishonesty, and you continue to prove by proxy that your god doesn't
exist. Keep up the good work, fellow atheist.
Pastor Kutchie
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > I agree with what you are saying. No evidence exists of a deity. In
> > fact I note that the very descriptions used by theologically minded
> > individuals are crafted in ways that make god an indefinable entity
> > entirely outside the ambit of reason.
> >
> > This however is not a proof that god does not exist. A rule of logic
> > is that one must never attempt to prove a negative. This is because it
> > cannot be done. The principle of logic is that the one asserting the
> > positive must prove their claim.
> >
> > Theists assert an unknowable indefinable entity that exists beyond
> > existence. The burden of proof is theirs. Atheists have nothing to
> > prove.
>
> A proof of GOD has been provided.
No, a vacuous assertion has been made.
>
> Atheists now have something to attempt to disprove.
>
No.
> The proof can be found by simply surfing the link under my name.
>
The vacuous assertion can be found under your name.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Pastor Kutchie wrote:
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > Pastor Kutchie wrote:
> > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > Pastor Kutchie wrote:
> > > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > > Pastor Kutchie wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Al wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Name-calling remains a tell for those with satan's mark emblazoned
> > > > > > > > > > > > across their foreheads.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Why should anybody take your word for this?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You need not. Such is the power of the truth.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How the flying f*&k would you know?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The LORD is the Source of all knowledge and wisdom.
> > > > > >
> > > > > Which begs exactly the same question.
> > > >
> > > > There you stand without the LORD begging for answers to your questions.
> > >
> > > You're the one begging the question, not me and not your imaginary
> > > friend.
> >
> > It should be clear to the most casual observer who is begging here.
>
> It remains your choice to be completely evasive.
Without the LORD, your opinion remains meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
To understand this exchange, simply surf the link under my sig.
Still praying for your poor enslaved soul, dear neighbor.
Pastor Kutchie
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Pastor Kutchie wrote:
> > It remains your choice to be completely evasive.
>
> Without the LORD, your opinion remains meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
"Mark T"
DON'T SEE A DOCTOR!!!!!!
Especialy not Chung!!!!!
2 Chr. 16:12-13 - In the thirty-ninth year of his reign Asa became diseased
in his feet. His disease was severe, yet even in his disease he did not seek
the LORD, but the physicians. So Asa slept with his fathers, having died in
the forty-first year of his reign.
It is obvious from the Bible that you should not consult a doctor!!!!!
Just remain on a diet of Bible verses in order to get cured.
Go to bed. Take 2 Bible verses a day with a glass of water. Report back
after being 10 years on this Bible Medicine ... or arrange for your obituary
to be posted on the ngs if you kick the bucket beforehand.
Michael Gray
<thinkaboutwh@youaredoing4758698756965658568702652> wrote:
- Refer: <4487...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>
This should kill off a few more *REAL* Christians.
Any Xtian who consults a doctor, is not a *real* Christian.
--
Michael Gray.
Founding Member and Doorman,
Earthquack's 666 Club.
EAC Apprentice Thumbscrew Oiler.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> "Pastor Kutchie" <use...@heathens.org.uk> wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> >> Pastor Kutchie wrote:
> >> > It remains your choice to be completely evasive.
> >>
> >> Without the LORD, your opinion remains meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> >>
> > Thank you for so succinctly illustrating my point.
>
> DON'T SEE A DOCTOR!!!!!!
>
> Especialy not Chung!!!!!
>
> 2 Chr. 16:12-13 - In the thirty-ninth year of his reign Asa became diseased
> in his feet. His disease was severe, yet even in his disease he did not seek
> the LORD, but the physicians. So Asa slept with his fathers, having died in
> the forty-first year of his reign.
>
> It is obvious from the Bible that you should not consult a doctor!!!!!
Actually, the LORD is the Master Physician:
http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/Healer.asp
To understand this, simply surf the link under my sig.
Still praying for your poor enslaved soul, dear Mark.
JessHC
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> "Mark T" wrote:
> > "Pastor Kutchie" <use...@heathens.org.uk> wrote:
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > >> Pastor Kutchie wrote:
> > >> > It remains your choice to be completely evasive.
> > >>
> > >> Without the LORD, your opinion remains meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> > >>
> > > Thank you for so succinctly illustrating my point.
> >
> > DON'T SEE A DOCTOR!!!!!!
> >
> > Especialy not Chung!!!!!
> >
> > 2 Chr. 16:12-13 - In the thirty-ninth year of his reign Asa became diseased
> > in his feet. His disease was severe, yet even in his disease he did not seek
> > the LORD, but the physicians. So Asa slept with his fathers, having died in
> > the forty-first year of his reign.
> >
> > It is obvious from the Bible that you should not consult a doctor!!!!!
>
> Actually, the LORD is the Master Physician:
Malpractice.
"Mark T"
>>DON'T SEE A DOCTOR!!!!!!
>>
>>Especialy not Chung!!!!!
>>
>>2 Chr. 16:12-13 - In the thirty-ninth year of his reign Asa became
>>diseased
>>in his feet. His disease was severe, yet even in his disease he did not
>>seek
>>the LORD, but the physicians. So Asa slept with his fathers, having died
>>in
>>the forty-first year of his reign.
>>
>>It is obvious from the Bible that you should not consult a doctor!!!!!
>>
>>Just remain on a diet of Bible verses in order to get cured.
>>
>>Go to bed. Take 2 Bible verses a day with a glass of water. Report back
>>after being 10 years on this Bible Medicine ... or arrange for your
>>obituary
>>to be posted on the ngs if you kick the bucket beforehand.
>
> This should kill off a few more *REAL* Christians.
> Any Xtian who consults a doctor, is not a *real* Christian.
*real* Christian = Trew Kristyun
What is a "Trew Kristyun"?
They are characterised by one or more of the following:
- an extreme lack of rationality
- fondness of logical fallacies
- repeated use of emotional appeals
- rigid adherence to Bronze Age mythology
- endorsement of pseudoscientific nonsense
- bigotry and discriminatory attitudes towards minority groups
- belief that certain children's media is the work of Satan
- propensity to post Bible verses instead of valid argument.
They have the following unfortunate features:
- a distrust and fear of freedom
- a belief in the importance of authority and in controlling what people
believe
- a corre貞ponding preference for obedience rather than love
- a desire to give people what they want rather than the truth
- a refusal to allow themselves to be in the least disconcerted when
confronted with the true nature of their fundamentalist religion
- a readiness to persecute and exclude anyone who is of a different
persuasion.
They prefer authority, obedience, and conformity over freedom, truth, and
dissent.
"Mark T"
>> DON'T SEE A DOCTOR!!!!!!
>>
>> Especialy not Chung!!!!!
>>
>> 2 Chr. 16:12-13 - In the thirty-ninth year of his reign Asa became
>> diseased
>> in his feet. His disease was severe, yet even in his disease he did not
>> seek
>> the LORD, but the physicians. So Asa slept with his fathers, having died
>> in
>> the forty-first year of his reign.
>>
>> It is obvious from the Bible that you should not consult a doctor!!!!!
>
> Actually, the LORD is the Master Physician:
>
> http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/Healer.asp
Use your God-given brain, Andrew!
My brother, Dr Brett Tindall, was part of the Sydney AIDS Team till his
death in 1994 from AIDS related illness.
See article written by Hon Justice Michael Kirby AC CMG President, Court of
Appeal, Supreme Court of NSW (1984 - 1996) on my brother Dr Brett Tindall.
http://www.lawfoundation.net.au/resources/kirby/papers/19940701_brett...
How many cases of AIDS have been cured by God??????? NONE!!! Not one single
case in the last 25 years. This includes children and victims through
needle stick.
I am a liberal Christian and Exiled Believer (Read John Shelby Spong).
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who do not share their religious viewpoint are not really true Christians at
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Critiquing your article:
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> Jesus Christ is the Divine Healer
First mistake: God heals, not God's Messiah. Jesus is YHWH's Christ /
Messiah not YHWH himself.
> Book of John
BIBLE TIMELINE
Dates are approximate
6 BCE
- Jesus birth
27 - 34 CE
- Jesus' death
50 - 60 CE
- 1 Thessalonians. Philippians, Galatians, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians,
Romans, Philemon
50 - 80 CE
- Colossians
50 - 95 CE
- Hebrews
65 - 80 CE
- Mark's gospel
70 - 100 CE
- James
80 -100 CE
- 2 Thessalonians, Ephesians, Matthew's gospel (written in Antioch),
80 -110 CE
- 1 Peter
80 CE - 130 CE
- Luke's gospel, Acts (both written in Caesarea)
90 - 95 CE
- Revelation of John
90 -120 CE.
- John's Gospel, I John, 2 John, 3 John, Jude
100 -150 CE
-1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus
100 -160 CE
- 2 Peter
It is unlikely that there is anything in John's gospel actually said / done
by the historic Jesus of Nazareth.
> This proves that Lord Christ Jesus is the Divine Healer.
No it doesn't.
Lord does not mean God.
Lord means master / boss.
1) property owners are called Lord (Matt. 20:8, kurios is "owner" - NIV)
2) heads of households were called Lord (Mk 13:35, owner=kurios).
3) slave owners were called Lord (Matt. 10:24, master=kurios).
4) husbands were called Lord (1 Pet. 3:6, master=kurios).
5) a son called his father Lord (Matt. 21:30, sir=kurios).
6) the Roman Emperor was called Lord (Acts 25:26, His Majesty=kurios).
7) Roman authorities were called Lord (Matt. 27:63, sir=kurios).
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between GOD and men, the MAN
Christ Jesus;
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Pre-Easter Jesus / Post-Easter Jesus
4 B.C.E. to 30 C.E. / 30 C.E. to present
Corporeal, human being of flesh and blood Spiritual / non-material
reality
Finite and mortal / Infinite, eternal
Human / Divine
A Jewish peasant / King of Kings and Lord of Lords
Figure of the past / Figure of the present
Jesus of Nazareth / Jesus Christ
Monotheistic Jew / Becomes the second person of the trinity, "God with a
human face"
Galilean Jew of the first century / "The Face of God" (metaphor based on
2 Cor. 4:6 Beholding the glory of God in the face of Christ)
From http://www.united.edu/portrait/compare.shtml
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Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God (GOD NOT THE MESSIAH) with all your
heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the FIRST and
GREATEST COMMANDMENT. And the SECOND is like it: 'Love your neighbor as
yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these TWO COMMANDMENTS." -
Matthew 22:37-40
One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing
that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the
COMMANDMENTS, which is the MOST IMPORTANT?" "The MOST IMPORTANT ONE,"
answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God (GOD NOT THE
MESSIAH) the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God (GOD NOT THE MESSIAH) with
all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all
your strength.' (Mark12:28-30)
And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying,
"Teacher, WHAT SHALL I DO TO INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE?"
He said to him, "What is written in the law? How do you read?" And he
answered, "You shall love the Lord your God (GOD NOT THE MESSIAH) with all
your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all
your mind; and your neighbor as yourself." And he said to him, "You have
answered right; DO THIS AND YOU WILL LIVE." (Luke 10:25-28)
These are repeated THREE TIMES. They are in each of the synoptic gospels.
The commandments do not mention anything about the finite human Jesus of
Nazareth, The Messiah ...or about being BORN AGAIN ... or about Christians
following any of the man made "fundamentals" ... or about Christians having
to believe in the bible ... or about Christians having to be fundamentalist
... OR ABOUT BELIEVING IN A PHYISCAL RESUSCITATION OF JESUS' CORPSE!!!! ...
OR ABOUT CONFESSING JESUS AS LORD GOD!!!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
What is recorded in Mark and Matthew about the CONTENT of the gospel that
Jesus preached?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
MARK'S GOSPEL (ending at Mark 16:8)
1:15; 4:11; 4:14; 6:12; 9:1;13:9-10 all describe the gospel / good news as
announcing that the kingdom [realm] of God is here so one must turn away
from one's sins. Nothing more! Count how many times Jesus says the "the
kingdom of God is like" in Mark's gospel!
MATTHEW'S GOSPEL
4:17; 4:23; 5:19; 6:33; 7:21; 9:35; 10:7; 11:12; 12:28; 13:11; 13:19; 13:38;
13;52; 18:2; 19:23; 21:31 21:43; 23:13; 24:34; 25:34 ff; 26:13; describe the
gospel / good news as announcing that the kingdom [realm] of heaven is here
so one must turn away from one's sins. Nothing more! (Matthew prefers
'kingdom of heaven" to "kingdom of God") Count how many times Jesus says
the "the kingdom of God is like" in Matthew's gospel!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Mark T"
>> > DON'T SEE A DOCTOR!!!!!!
>> >
>> > Especialy not Chung!!!!!
>> >
>> > 2 Chr. 16:12-13 - In the thirty-ninth year of his reign Asa became
>> > diseased
>> > in his feet. His disease was severe, yet even in his disease he did not
>> > seek
>> > the LORD, but the physicians. So Asa slept with his fathers, having
>> > died in
>> > the forty-first year of his reign.
>> >
>> > It is obvious from the Bible that you should not consult a doctor!!!!!
>>
>> Actually, the LORD is the Master Physician:
>
> Malpractice.
Exactly! EVERY ONE of God's creatures dies. This includes those whom the
bible says were raised from the dead like Lazarus. Why wasn't Lazarus raised
from the dead a second time?
Statistics show that 100% of all people who breathe eventually die. There's
a serious connection here. Don't breathe! ;-)
How many people has God cured of AIDS????? NONE!!!!!!
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
>
> >> DON'T SEE A DOCTOR!!!!!!
> >>
> >> Especialy not Chung!!!!!
> >>
> >> 2 Chr. 16:12-13 - In the thirty-ninth year of his reign Asa became
> >> diseased
> >> in his feet. His disease was severe, yet even in his disease he did not
> >> seek
> >> the LORD, but the physicians. So Asa slept with his fathers, having died
> >> in
> >> the forty-first year of his reign.
> >>
> >> It is obvious from the Bible that you should not consult a doctor!!!!!
> >
> > Actually, the LORD is the Master Physician:
> >
> > http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/Healer.asp
>
> Use your God-given brain, Andrew!
I have and do use my mind to glorify GOD, Whom I love with all my
heart, soul, **mind** and strength.
> My brother, Dr Brett Tindall, was part of the Sydney AIDS Team till his
> death in 1994 from AIDS related illness.
You have my condolences for your loss, dear Mark.
Was your brother saved by faith in LORD Jesus Christ?
> See article written by Hon Justice Michael Kirby AC CMG President, Court of
> Appeal, Supreme Court of NSW (1984 - 1996) on my brother Dr Brett Tindall.
>
> http://www.lawfoundation.net.au/resources/kirby/papers/19940701_brett...
Here is a tinyurl for your cite:
> How many cases of AIDS have been cured by God???????
Many folks have their HIV titers reduced to undetectable with a
corresponding rise in CD4 counts back to normal on anti-retroviral
cocktails.
> NONE!!! Not one single
> case in the last 25 years. This includes children and victims through
> needle stick.
Actually, I have witnessed spontaneous disappearance of HIV titers in
some folks that have refused anti-retroviral cocktails.
> I am a liberal Christian and Exiled Believer (Read John Shelby Spong).
>
> #################################################
> ... quoting from James Barr's book "Fundamentalism" on the three
> distinguishing features of the Fundamentalist '... an assurance that those
> who do not share their religious viewpoint are not really true Christians at
> all.' - Peter Cameron "Heretic" (Doubleday; Sydney: 1994) p. 178
> #################################################
>
> --
> Visit my Blog (including my artwork)
> http://www.whitepage.com.au/strooth/
> Visit my Band Page (free mp3 downloads)
> http://www.soundclick.com/marktindall
>
> Critiquing your article:
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> > Jesus Christ is the Divine Healer
>
> First mistake: God heals, not God's Messiah. Jesus is YHWH's Christ /
> Messiah not YHWH himself.
Christ Jesus is GOD the Son.
YHWH is GOD the Father.
There is also GOD the Holy Spirit.
There is also GOD the Four Living Creatures (Revelation 4:7-8)
Therefore, LORD GOD Almighty has 7 spirits.
Your time-line is a man-made construct.
It is taught in the Bible that we should place our faith in GOD and not
the works of man.
> > This proves that Lord Christ Jesus is the Divine Healer.
>
> No it doesn't.
Your opinion refutes nothing.
> Lord does not mean God.
Correct.
> Lord means master / boss.
Correct.
"My LORD **and** my GOD!" -- Archetypal atheist "Doubting" Thomas upon
seeing the risen Christ.
Amen.
> One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing
> that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the
> COMMANDMENTS, which is the MOST IMPORTANT?" "The MOST IMPORTANT ONE,"
> answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God (GOD NOT THE
> MESSIAH) the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God (GOD NOT THE MESSIAH) with
> all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all
> your strength.' (Mark12:28-30)
Amen.
> And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying,
> "Teacher, WHAT SHALL I DO TO INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE?"
> He said to him, "What is written in the law? How do you read?" And he
> answered, "You shall love the Lord your God (GOD NOT THE MESSIAH) with all
> your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all
> your mind; and your neighbor as yourself." And he said to him, "You have
> answered right; DO THIS AND YOU WILL LIVE." (Luke 10:25-28)
Amen.
Without LORD Jesus Christ, no one can do what HE commands.
> These are repeated THREE TIMES. They are in each of the synoptic gospels.
> The commandments do not mention anything about the finite human Jesus of
> Nazareth, The Messiah ...or about being BORN AGAIN ... or about Christians
> following any of the man made "fundamentals" ... or about Christians having
> to believe in the bible ... or about Christians having to be fundamentalist
The discerning know that without LORD Jesus Christ, no one can do what
HE commands.
The commandments convict us sinners. The LORD's grace and mercy saves
us when we believe in HIM. In this way, we are saved by faith and not
by the act of following HIS commandments. Those saved by faith are the
ones who can following HIS commandments... not the other way around.
> ... OR ABOUT BELIEVING IN A PHYISCAL RESUSCITATION OF JESUS' CORPSE!!!! ...
> OR ABOUT CONFESSING JESUS AS LORD GOD!!!!
Yelling hysterically upon reading the way to salvation is a tell for
those who have satan's mark emblazoned across their foreheads.
For an understanding of the above, simply surf the link under my sig.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> What is recorded in Mark and Matthew about the CONTENT of the gospel that
> Jesus preached?
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> MARK'S GOSPEL (ending at Mark 16:8)
>
> 1:15; 4:11; 4:14; 6:12; 9:1;13:9-10 all describe the gospel / good news as
> announcing that the kingdom [realm] of God is here so one must turn away
> from one's sins. Nothing more! Count how many times Jesus says the "the
> kingdom of God is like" in Mark's gospel!
>
> MATTHEW'S GOSPEL
>
> 4:17; 4:23; 5:19; 6:33; 7:21; 9:35; 10:7; 11:12; 12:28; 13:11; 13:19; 13:38;
> 13;52; 18:2; 19:23; 21:31 21:43; 23:13; 24:34; 25:34 ff; 26:13; describe the
> gospel / good news as announcing that the kingdom [realm] of heaven is here
> so one must turn away from one's sins. Nothing more! (Matthew prefers
> 'kingdom of heaven" to "kingdom of God") Count how many times Jesus says
> the "the kingdom of God is like" in Matthew's gospel!
"All authority in heaven and earth has been given to ME. Therefore go
and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the
Father and of the Son and o the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey
everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to
the very end of the age." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 28:18-19)
Still praying for your poor enslaved soul, dear Mark.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/m3gnu
Al
>
> Your time-line is a man-made construct.
>
> It is taught in the Bible that we should place our faith in GOD and not
> the works of man.
And isn't your bible also a "man-made construct"? Indeed, a work of fiction.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
> > Your time-line is a man-made construct.
>
> > It is taught in the Bible that we should place our faith in GOD and not
> > the works of man.
>
> And isn't your bible also a "man-made construct"?
No. The Holy Bible is of and from LORD GOD Almighty.
To understand this exchange, simply surf the link under my sig.
Still praying for your poor enslaved soul, dear Al.
The Operator
<tund...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1149518133....@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>> > Over the past two weeks I've suddenly developed two very painful knees
>> > without having had any accidents, twisting, etc.
>> >
>> > I'm wondering if this might be related to the use of insulin. I have
>> > been fighting tendon problems all over my body all year, but they have
>> > calmed down. My bgs have been very good all this time.
>> >
>> > and the knee is making clicking sounds, too. I have never had a single
>> > bit of knee pain before in my life and no knee injuries.
>> >
>> > I'm not even sure which kind of doctor to see for this. When I had
>> > problems in my foot two years ago I went to a rheumatologist who said,
>> > "At your age, of course you have arthritis." Then he sent me for an
>> > x-ray that showed no arthritis. At that point he shrugged and said,
>> > "Don't know what it is" and sent me for a cortisone treatment that
>> > messed up my bgs and did nothing for the foot. I don't want to repeat
>> > that experience!
>> > Any ideas, folks?
>>
>> Start by informing your primary doctor about your new symptoms.
>>
>> If you have been low-carbing, you may be at higher risk for gout.
>>
>> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>>
>> Andrew
>
> what the hell do you think he's gonna do for her in the future?
>
> Moron. Board certified quack.
>
> TC
>
I don't see in the OP's message anything about seeing her PCP about the knee
pain. So why would you make a comment like you did at the end of this
message and call someone a moron..
Al
>> And isn't your bible also a "man-made construct"?
>
> No. The Holy Bible is of and from LORD GOD Almighty.
>
> To understand this exchange, simply surf the link under my sig.
Fuck your link. Prove your silly statement. It's FICTION.
Don Kirkman
<JpCdnaH5z5kHcB_Z...@rcn.net>:
>Over the past two weeks I've suddenly developed two very painful knees
>without having had any accidents, twisting, etc.
>I'm wondering if this might be related to the use of insulin. I have
>been fighting tendon problems all over my body all year, but they have
>calmed down. My bgs have been very good all this time.
>The pain in my one knee came out of nowhere, limits my ability to walk,
>and the knee is making clicking sounds, too. I have never had a single
>bit of knee pain before in my life and no knee injuries.
>I'm not even sure which kind of doctor to see for this. When I had
>problems in my foot two years ago I went to a rheumatologist who said,
>"At your age, of course you have arthritis." Then he sent me for an
>x-ray that showed no arthritis. At that point he shrugged and said,
>"Don't know what it is" and sent me for a cortisone treatment that
>messed up my bgs and did nothing for the foot. I don't want to repeat
>that experience!
>Any ideas, folks?
Jenny, I missed your message earlier, but don't want to let it pass
without making some comments.
First, your description suggests to me that you may want to get checked
for rheumatoid arthritis; there are some good new treatments that not
only help with pain but can slow down the progression of the disease.
I think you found a less than adequate rheumatologist*; Xrays can only
show advanced arthritis when there is some bone damage, but the pain and
inflammation usually begin earlier than that. Also, in general
cortisone is used to relieve inflammation and thus pain in
*osteoarthritis* which is the wear-and-tear variety.
* The fact that he relates arthritis to age is a strong indication that
he hasn't kept current. Even children can have arthritis.
I'd strongly suggest you seek out a rheumatologist who is more current
in his specialty. There are 170+ varieties of the autoimmune diseases,
and many of them are types of rheumatoid arthritis.
You might want to visit alt.support.arthritis, where you can expect to
find advice, support, and a good deal of practical knowledge from a
variety of folks dealing with arthritis and its kin.
--
Don Kirkman
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Al wrote:
>
> >> And isn't your bible also a "man-made construct"?
> >
> > No. The Holy Bible is of and from LORD GOD Almighty.
> >
> > To understand this exchange, simply surf the link under my sig.
>
> Fuck your link.
Sorry the truth bothers you so terribly. Please forgive all my
iniquities.
> Prove your silly statement. It's FICTION.
The provided proof of LORD Jesus Christ's existence automatically also
proves that the Holy Bible is not a work of fiction.
To see the proof, simply surf the link below my sig.
"Mark T"
>> Use your God-given brain, Andrew!
>
> I have and do use my mind to glorify GOD, Whom I love with all my
> heart, soul, **mind** and strength.
Use it also to see God in all aspects of your life.
>> My brother, Dr Brett Tindall, was part of the Sydney AIDS Team till his
>> death in 1994 from AIDS related illness.
> You have my condolences for your loss, dear Mark.
> Was your brother saved by faith in LORD Jesus Christ?
No, my brother was an atheist. His gay lovers included an Anglican priest
and a Russian Orthodox priest. He had many Christian friends but none gave
him a satisfactory answer to his questions ... and I was a fundamentalist at
the time (no longer)
Is my brother burning in hell along with Ghandi and Hitler?
>> See article written by Hon Justice Michael Kirby AC CMG President, Court
>> of
>> Appeal, Supreme Court of NSW (1984 - 1996) on my brother Dr Brett
>> Tindall.
>> http://www.lawfoundation.net.au/resources/kirby/papers/19940701_brett...
> Here is a tinyurl for your cite:
> http://tinyurl.com/jru3f
Thank you.
>> How many cases of AIDS have been cured by God???????
>
> Many folks have their HIV titers reduced to undetectable with a
> corresponding rise in CD4 counts back to normal on anti-retroviral
> cocktails.
But you know that is not a cure .. and that the cause is the medication not
God.
>> NONE!!! Not one single
>> case in the last 25 years. This includes children and victims through
>> needle stick.
>
> Actually, I have witnessed spontaneous disappearance of HIV titers in
> some folks that have refused anti-retroviral cocktails.
Permanently? Written up in any medical journal? Journal name, number,
article name, author???
>> I am a liberal Christian and Exiled Believer (Read John Shelby Spong).
....
>> First mistake: God heals, not God's Messiah. Jesus is YHWH's Christ /
>> Messiah not YHWH himself.
>
> Christ Jesus is GOD the Son.
Jesus of Nazareth never claimed that. He called himself the Son of Man
indicating his humanity.
> "My LORD **and** my GOD!" -- Archetypal atheist "Doubting" Thomas upon
> seeing the risen Christ.
Never stated by the hostorical Jesus of Nazareth nor the historical Thomas.
ONLY in John's gospel written 90 - 120 CE.
1Ti 2:5 For there is ONE GOD, and one mediator between GOD and men, the MAN
Christ Jesus
--
***********************************************************
'As rare as a Fundamentalist who loves his enemy.
"Mark T"
> The Holy Bible is of and from LORD GOD Almighty.
--
The Bible ...[is] ... a collection of human responses to God (very human,
some of them all too human), which we are at liberty to use in the process
of formulating our own individual, unique response to God. We don't do that
by imitating these responses slavishly. I mean God, if he exists, doesn't
want innumerable clones of the apostle Paul. He wants us to respond to him,
each of us in our own unique way. And we can use the Bible to do that, but
we don't do it by obeying it slavishly and blindly. - Peter Cameron
"Heretic" (Doubleday; Sydney: 1994) p. 195
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
This does not refute what the LORD has guided me to write in the above.
Still praying on your behalf, dear Mark.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
>
> >> Use your God-given brain, Andrew!
> >
> > I have and do use my mind to glorify GOD, Whom I love with all my
> > heart, soul, **mind** and strength.
>
> Use it also to see God in all aspects of your life.
GOD is in all aspects of my surrendered life.
> >> My brother, Dr Brett Tindall, was part of the Sydney AIDS Team till his
> >> death in 1994 from AIDS related illness.
> > You have my condolences for your loss, dear Mark.
> > Was your brother saved by faith in LORD Jesus Christ?
>
> No, my brother was an atheist. His gay lovers included an Anglican priest
> and a Russian Orthodox priest. He had many Christian friends but none gave
> him a satisfactory answer to his questions ... and I was a fundamentalist at
> the time (no longer)
Did your brother ask you his questions that did not receive
satisfactory answers from his born-again Christian friends?
> Is my brother burning in hell along with Ghandi and Hitler?
It would be my choice to refrain from judging others including your
brother.
As for anyone burning in hell at this point in time, in is written that
Christ Jesus now has the keys to both death and hell so that there are
many, including your brother, who are now asleep awaiting their
awakening when the Lamb returns as the Lion to judge with HIS full
authority.
> >> See article written by Hon Justice Michael Kirby AC CMG President, Court
> >> of
> >> Appeal, Supreme Court of NSW (1984 - 1996) on my brother Dr Brett
> >> Tindall.
> >> http://www.lawfoundation.net.au/resources/kirby/papers/19940701_brett...
> > Here is a tinyurl for your cite:
> > http://tinyurl.com/jru3f
>
> Thank you.
You are welcome.
Would redirect all thanks and praises to GOD, Whom I love with all my
being.
> >> How many cases of AIDS have been cured by God???????
> >
> > Many folks have their HIV titers reduced to undetectable with a
> > corresponding rise in CD4 counts back to normal on anti-retroviral
> > cocktails.
>
> But you know that is not a cure .. and that the cause is the medication not
> God.
All things happens according to GOD's infinite will.
> >> NONE!!! Not one single
> >> case in the last 25 years. This includes children and victims through
> >> needle stick.
> >
> > Actually, I have witnessed spontaneous disappearance of HIV titers in
> > some folks that have refused anti-retroviral cocktails.
>
> Permanently?
Yes.
> Written up in any medical journal?
No. Our infectious disease folks here in Atlanta are overworked and
really don't have the leisure time for writing such case reports.
However, there are case reports of spontaneous clearance of HIV virus
in the literature already.
> Journal name, number,
> article name, author???
Here's one:
> >> I am a liberal Christian and Exiled Believer (Read John Shelby Spong).
> ....
> >> First mistake: God heals, not God's Messiah. Jesus is YHWH's Christ /
> >> Messiah not YHWH himself.
> >
> > Christ Jesus is GOD the Son.
>
> Jesus of Nazareth never claimed that. He called himself the Son of Man
> indicating his humanity.
Actually, Jesus of Nazareth did say HE and HIS Father are One.
"I and the Father are One." -- LORD Jesus Christ (John 10:30)
"Why then do you accuse me of blaspjemy because I said, 'I am GOD's
Son'?" -- LORD Jesus Christ (John 10:36)
> > "My LORD **and** my GOD!" -- Archetypal atheist "Doubting" Thomas upon
> > seeing the risen Christ.
>
> Never stated by the hostorical Jesus of Nazareth nor the historical Thomas.
> ONLY in John's gospel written 90 - 120 CE.
Here is what John the Baptist said about Jesus of Nazareth:
"HE will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. HIS winnowing
fork is in HIS hand, and HE will clear the threshing floor, gathering
HIS wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable
fire." (Matthew 3:11b-12)
Here is how Jesus of Nazareth answered when directly asked if HE were
the Christ, the Son of GOD:
"Yes, it is as you say" - LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 26:64)
Here is how Jesus of Nazareth answered when directly asked if HE were
the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One:
"I am" - LORD Jesus Christ (Mark 14:62)
Here is how Jesus of Nazareth answered when directly asked "Are you
then the Son of GOD?"
"You are right in saying I am." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 22:70b)
> 1Ti 2:5 For there is ONE GOD, and one mediator between GOD and men, the MAN
> Christ Jesus
"I and the Father are One." -- LORD Jesus Christ (John 10:30)
> --
>
> ***********************************************************
>
> 'As rare as a Fundamentalist who loves his enemy.
If that is truly the definition of a Fundamentalist (ie one that rarely
loves his/her enemy), s/he would not be obedient to Jesus' second
commandment.
> #################################################
> ... quoting from James Barr's book "Fundamentalism" on the three
> distinguishing features of the Fundamentalist '... an assurance that those
> who do not share their religious viewpoint are not really true Christians at
> all.' - Peter Cameron "Heretic" (Doubleday; Sydney: 1994) p. 178
> #################################################
The danger of labelling anyone is that it is akin to name-calling which
is bearing false witness.
Still praying on your behalf, dear Mark.
panam...@hotmail.com
So your answer is, "not yet". How christian of you. If this "LORD" of
yours does exist, the only moral action would be to hunt it down and
kill it, Andy.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Mark T wrote:
> > > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
> > >
> > > >> Use your God-given brain, Andrew!
> > > >
> > > > I have and do use my mind to glorify GOD, Whom I love with all my
> > > > heart, soul, **mind** and strength.
> > >
> > > Use it also to see God in all aspects of your life.
> >
> > GOD is in all aspects of my surrendered life.
> >
> > > >> My brother, Dr Brett Tindall, was part of the Sydney AIDS Team till his
> > > >> death in 1994 from AIDS related illness.
> > > > You have my condolences for your loss, dear Mark.
> > > > Was your brother saved by faith in LORD Jesus Christ?
> > >
> > > No, my brother was an atheist. His gay lovers included an Anglican priest
> > > and a Russian Orthodox priest. He had many Christian friends but none gave
> > > him a satisfactory answer to his questions ... and I was a fundamentalist at
> > > the time (no longer)
> >
> > Did your brother ask you his questions that did not receive
> > satisfactory answers from his born-again Christian friends?
> >
> > > Is my brother burning in hell along with Ghandi and Hitler?
> >
> > It would be my choice to refrain from judging others including your
> > brother.
> >
> > Christ Jesus now has the keys to both death and hell so that there are
> > many, including your brother, who are now asleep awaiting their
> > awakening when the Lamb returns as the Lion to judge with HIS full
> > authority.
>
> So your answer is, "not yet".
No. My answer is "it is up to GOD as to when and who."
> How christian of you.
It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.
> If this "LORD" of
> yours does exist, the only moral action would be to hunt it down and
> kill it, Andy.
That has already been done and thankfully, HE has picked HIS life back
up, overcoming the world and death. Again, it is written that the
risen Christ Jesus now has the keys to both death and hell.
To understand this, simply surf the link under my sig.
Still praying on your behalf, dear Floyd
Michael Gray
<thinkaboutwh@youaredoing2322232322254464556867552> wrote:
- Refer: <448a1ea6$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>
>The Bible ...[is] ... a collection of human responses to God (very human,
The Bible ...[is] ... a collection of human responses to human
authors.
No gods exist.
--
panam...@hotmail.com
Nice to be able to blame it on someone else, eh? Ooooh.
> > How christian of you.
>
> It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.
You have no choices. You're a mentally ill person with an obsession.
> > If this "LORD" of
> > yours does exist, the only moral action would be to hunt it down and
> > kill it, Andy.
>
> That has already been done and thankfully, HE has picked HIS life back
> up, overcoming the world and death. Again, it is written that the
> risen Christ Jesus now has the keys to both death and hell.
Jesus Christ never existed.
http://www.jesuspuzzle.com/
http://mama.indstate.edu/users/nizrael/jesusrefutation.html
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
> To understand this, simply surf the link under my sig.
Sorry, I don't speak gibber.
> Still praying on your behalf, dear Floyd
Knock yourself out. More proof that prayer does nothing.
"Mark T"
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
...
>> > >> My brother, Dr Brett Tindall, was part of the Sydney AIDS Team till
>> > >> his
>> > >> death in 1994 from AIDS related illness.
....
>> > my brother was an atheist. His gay lovers included an Anglican priest
>> > and a Russian Orthodox priest. He had many Christian friends but none
>> > gave
>> > him a satisfactory answer to his questions ... and I was a
>> > fundamentalist at
>> > the time (no longer)
...
>> > Is my brother burning in hell along with Ghandi and Hitler?
....
>> As for anyone burning in hell at this point in time, in is written that
>> Christ Jesus now has the keys to both death and hell so that there are
>> many, including your brother, who are now asleep awaiting their
>> awakening when the Lamb returns as the Lion to judge with HIS full
>> authority.
>
> So your answer is, "not yet". How christian of you. If this "LORD" of
> yours does exist, the only moral action would be to hunt it down and
> kill it, Andy.
I would think so too!
Luckily I don't worship such a reprehensible "god". YHWH is full of mercy
and grace and love.
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"I (GOD NOT YHWH'S MESSIAH), even I (GOD NOT YHWH'S MESSIAH),
am he who blots out your transgressions, for my own sake, and remembers
your sins no more. " - Isaiah 43:25
################################################################
"Mark T"
> > >> My brother, Dr Brett Tindall, was part of the Sydney AIDS Team till
> > >> his
> > >> death in 1994 from AIDS related illness.
> > > You have my condolences for your loss, dear Mark.
> > > Was your brother saved by faith in LORD Jesus Christ?
> > No, my brother was an atheist. His gay lovers included an Anglican
> > priest
> > and a Russian Orthodox priest. He had many Christian friends but none
> > gave
> > him a satisfactory answer to his questions ... and I was a
> > fundamentalist at
> > the time (no longer)
> Did your brother ask you his questions that did not receive
> satisfactory answers from his born-again Christian friends?
Yep! But I was a fundamentalist and couldn't answer his questions at that
time. I could now. ;-)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
from Karen Armstrong's 'A History of God' ( Vintage;
London:1993)
For centuries monotheists in each of the God-religions had insisted that God
was not merely another being. He did not exist like the other phenomena we
experience. p. 396
The anthropomorphical, personal God of Western Christendom was vulnerable.
p.397
Hegel had thus asserted the old monotheistic insight - characteristic of
also Christianity and Islam - that 'God' was not separate from mundane
reality, an optional extra in a world of his own, but was inextricably bound
upo with humanity. Like Blake, he expressed this insight dialectically,
seeing humanity and Spirit, finite and infinite, as two halves of a single
truth which are mutually interdependent and involved in the same process as
self-realisation. p. 404
The danish philosopher Soren Kierkegaard (1813-55) insisted that the old
creeeds and doctrines had become idols, ends in themselves and substitutes
for the ineffable reality of God. True Christian faith was a leap out of
the world, away from these fossilised human beliefs and outmoded attitudes,
into the unknown. p. 406
Monotheists in all three religions [Judaism, Christianity & Islam] had
regarded the creation as a mythy, in the most positive sense of the word: it
was a symbolic account which helped men and women to cultivate a particular
religious attitude. .... in the West there had been a tendency to regard the
Bible as factually true in every detail. p.407
Throughout history people have discarded a conception of God when it no
longer works for them. p.408
C G Jung's (1875-1961) God was similar to the God of the mystics, a
psychological truth, subjectively experienced by each individual. When
asked by John Freeman in the famous face To face interview whether he
believed in god, Jung replied emphatically: 'I do not have to believe. I
know!' Jung's continued faith suggests that a subjective God, mysteriously
identified with the ground of being in the depths of the self, can survive
psychoanalytic science in a way that a more personal, anthropomorphic deity
who can indeed encourage perpetual immaturity may not. p.410
It is impossible for us to meet God in any anthropomorphic way. God is the
Ground of being, so bound up with our own existence that we cannot possibily
talk to him, as though he were simply another person like ourselves. There
are no words or ideas that describe God. ... The myths of revelation
expressed our personbal experience of God. pp 426-7
The idea of a personal God, like one of us writ large, is fraught with
difficulty. If this God is omnipotent, he could have prevented the
Holocaust. If he was unable to stop it, he is impotent and useless; if he
could have stopped it and chose not to, he is a monster. Jews are not the
only people who believe that the Holocaust put an end to conventional
theology. p.431
...when religious ideas cease to be effective they fade away. ... the
American scholar Peter Berger notes that we often have a double standard
when we compare the past with our own time. Where the past is analysed and
made relative, the present is rendered immune to this process and our
current position becomes an absolute: thus 'the New Testament writers are
seen as afflicted with a false consciousness rooted in their time, but the
analyst takes the consciousness of his time as an unmixed intellectual
blessing.' p.432
Those of us who have had a difficult time with religion in the past find it
liberating to be rid of the God who terrorised our childhood. It is
wonderful not to have to cower before a vengeful deity, who threatens us
with eternal damnation if we do not abide by his rules. We have a new
intellectual freedom and can boldly follow upo our own ideas without
pussy-footing gingerly round difficult articles of faith, feeling all the
while a sinking loss of integrity. We imagine that the hideous deity we
have experienced is the authentic God of Jews, Christians and Muslims and do
not always realise that it is merely an unfortunate aberration. p.433
[Paul Buren] ... The Gospel was ' the good news of a free man who has set
other men free.' p.436
[Paul Tillich] ... 'The concept of a 'Personal God' interfering with natural
events, or being 'an independent cause of natural events', makes God a
natural object beside others, an object among others, a being among beings,
maybe the highest, but neveretheless A being. This indeed is not only the
destruction of the physical system but even more the destruction of any
meaningful idea of God.' .... instead we should seek to find a 'God' above
this personal God. p.438
... God who, as Being itself, was nearer to the 'I' than our own ego.
Tillich preferred the definition of God as the Ground of being.
Participation in such a God above 'God' does not alienate us from the world
but immerses us in reality. It returns us to ourselves. Human beings have
to use symbols when they talk about Being-itself: to speak literally or
realistically about it is inaccurate and untrue. ... When Tillich was
speaking to laypeople, he preferred to replace the rather technical term
"Ground of being' with 'ultimate concern'. p. 439
... since the 1970s ... the rise of a type of religiosity that we usually
call 'fundamentalism' in most of the major world religions, including the
three religions of God. A highly political spirituality, it is literal and
intolerant in its vision. .... Christian fundamentalists have little regard
for the loving compassion of Christ. They are swift to condemn the people
they see as the 'enemies of God'. ... this typoe of religiosity is actually
a retreat from God ... a new form of idolatry. This type of beliigerent
righteousness has been a constant temptation to monotheists throughout the
long history of God. it must be rejected as inauthentic. ... They are also
denying a crucial monotheistic theme. Ever since the prophets of Israel
reformed the old pagan cult of Yahweh, the God of monotheists has promoted
the ideal of compassion. ... All too often, conventional believers, who are
not fundamentalist, share their agressive righteousness. They use 'God' to
prop up their own loves and hates, which they attribute to god himself. ...
The God of historical monotheism demands mercy not sacrifice, compassion
rather than decorous liturgy. ... The prophets fulminated against their
contemporaries who thought that temple worship was sufficient. ... Ever
since <Moses brought the tablets of law from mount Sinai, the majority have
preferred the worship of a Golden Calf, a traditionalo, unthreatening image
of a deity they have constructed for themselves, with its consoling, time
honoured rituals. Aaron, the high priest, presided over the manufacture of
the golden effigy. p. 447-450
Yet if feelings are not to degenerate into indulgent, aggressive or
unhealthy emotionalism, they need to be informed by the critical
intelligence. The expreience of God must keep abreast of other current
enthusiasms, including those of the mind. p.452
The idols of fundamentalism are not good substitutes for God; if we are to
create a vibrant new faith for the twenty-first century, we should, perhaps,
ponder the history of God for some lessons and warnings. p.457
"Mark T"
>>The Bible ...[is] ... a collection of human responses to God (very human,
>
> The Bible ...[is] ... a collection of human responses to human
> authors.
> No gods exist.
For atheists that is correct.
Maybe it should be rephrased: " The bible is a collection of human responses
to what some people thought was God."
Michael Gray
<thinkaboutwh@youaredoing2322232322254464556867552> wrote:
- Refer: <448a6ec7$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>
>"Michael Gray" <fle...@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
>
>>>The Bible ...[is] ... a collection of human responses to God (very human,
>>
>> The Bible ...[is] ... a collection of human responses to human
>> authors.
>> No gods exist.
>
>For atheists that is correct.
It is correct for everyone.
>Maybe it should be rephrased: " The bible is a collection of human responses
>to what some people thought was God."
Yes, that would have been much more accurate, and not "begging the
question".
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 17:01:27 +1000, "\"Mark T\""
> <thinkaboutwh@youaredoing2322232322254464556867552> wrote:
> - Refer: <448a6ec7$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>
> >"Michael Gray" <fle...@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
> >
> >>>The Bible ...[is] ... a collection of human responses to God (very human,
> >>
> >> The Bible ...[is] ... a collection of human responses to human
> >> authors.
> >> No gods exist.
> >
> >For atheists that is correct.
>
> It is correct for everyone.
The belief that you write for everyone is a delusion of grandiosity.
Would suggest you inform your doctor about your suffering from this
delusion.
Still praying for your poor enslaved soul, dear Michael.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>
> > > >> My brother, Dr Brett Tindall, was part of the Sydney AIDS Team till
> > > >> his
> > > >> death in 1994 from AIDS related illness.
> > > > You have my condolences for your loss, dear Mark.
> > > > Was your brother saved by faith in LORD Jesus Christ?
> > > No, my brother was an atheist. His gay lovers included an Anglican
> > > priest
> > > and a Russian Orthodox priest. He had many Christian friends but none
> > > gave
> > > him a satisfactory answer to his questions ... and I was a
> > > fundamentalist at
> > > the time (no longer)
>
> > Did your brother ask you his questions that did not receive
> > satisfactory answers from his born-again Christian friends?
>
> Yep! But I was a fundamentalist and couldn't answer his questions at that
> time. I could now. ;-)
What were his questions that you could not answer at that time ?
Still praying for your enslaved soul, dear Mark
Al
>
> The belief that you write for everyone is a delusion of grandiosity.
>
Precisely what Chung himself suffers from!
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Hardly.
Your inability to make eye contact remains a tell for those who have
satan's mark emblazoned across their foreheads.
To understand this, simply surf the link under my sig.
Still praying for your poor enslaved soul, dear Al.
liaM
hate
jesshc
>> I agree with what you are saying. No evidence exists of a deity. In
>> fact I note that the very descriptions used by theologically minded
>> individuals are crafted in ways that make god an indefinable entity
>> entirely outside the ambit of reason.
>>
>> This however is not a proof that god does not exist. A rule of logic
>> is that one must never attempt to prove a negative. This is because it
>> cannot be done. The principle of logic is that the one asserting the
>> positive must prove their claim.
>>
>> Theists assert an unknowable indefinable entity that exists beyond
>> existence. The burden of proof is theirs. Atheists have nothing to
>> prove.
>
> A proof of GOD has been provided.
Assertion isn't proof. Non sequiturs aren't proof. Red herrings aren't
proof.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
""Mark T"" <thinkaboutwh@youaredoing2322232322254464556867552> wrote in
message news:448a...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
<snip>
> No, my brother was an atheist. His gay lovers included an Anglican priest
> and a Russian Orthodox priest. He had many Christian friends but none
> gave him a satisfactory answer to his questions ... and I was a
> fundamentalist at the time (no longer) Is my brother burning in hell along
> with Ghandi and Hitler?
1 Tim. 2:3-4
<snip>
>> Many folks have their HIV titers reduced to undetectable with a
>> corresponding rise in CD4 counts back to normal on anti-retroviral
>> cocktails.
>
> But you know that is not a cure .. and that the cause is the medication
> not God.
Couldn't God have had a hand in the medication's discovery ? I believe He
very well was involved.
>>> NONE!!! Not one single case in the last 25 years. This includes
>>> children and victims through
>>> needle stick.
>>
>> Actually, I have witnessed spontaneous disappearance of HIV titers in
>> some folks that have refused anti-retroviral cocktails.
>
> Permanently? Written up in any medical journal? Journal name, number,
> article name, author???
Unlike you, I do not doubt the possibility of miracles... Not that we can
count on them, my wife died of kidney failure 7-30-05 in spite of prayers
that she would be cured.
>>> I am a liberal Christian and Exiled Believer (Read John Shelby Spong).
> ....
>>> First mistake: God heals, not God's Messiah. Jesus is YHWH's Christ /
>>> Messiah not YHWH himself.
>>
>> Christ Jesus is GOD the Son.
>
> Jesus of Nazareth never claimed that. He called himself the Son of Man
> indicating his humanity.
Agreed
>> "My LORD **and** my GOD!" -- Archetypal atheist "Doubting" Thomas upon
>> seeing the risen Christ.
Note the word **and**, Thomas did not say "My Lord God"
> Never stated by the hostorical Jesus of Nazareth nor the historical
> Thomas. ONLY in John's gospel written 90 - 120 CE.
For me the possible date it was written is not relevant.
> 1Ti 2:5 For there is ONE GOD, and one mediator between GOD and men, the
> MAN Christ Jesus
Agreed, but *even* Jesus' namesake doesn't give Jesus the credit, as His
name means "God saves" / "God is salvation"
Mike Painter
> ""Mark T"" <thinkaboutwh@youaredoing2322232322254464556867552> wrote
> in message news:448a...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> No, my brother was an atheist. His gay lovers included an Anglican
>> priest and a Russian Orthodox priest. He had many Christian friends
>> but none gave him a satisfactory answer to his questions ... and I
>> was a fundamentalist at the time (no longer) Is my brother burning
>> in hell along with Ghandi and Hitler?
>
> 1 Tim. 2:3-4
>
> <snip>
>
>>> Many folks have their HIV titers reduced to undetectable with a
>>> corresponding rise in CD4 counts back to normal on anti-retroviral
>>> cocktails.
>>
>> But you know that is not a cure .. and that the cause is the
>> medication not God.
>
> Couldn't God have had a hand in the medication's discovery ? I
> believe He very well was involved.
Suppose a man runs into a burning building and pulls a horribly burned
person to safety while a few hundred others burn to death. What a hero!
What happens when it's found out he set the fire so he could be the hero?
At best this is what your god did. Poor analogy because others did the work
and it left the building burning.
>
>>>> NONE!!! Not one single case in the last 25 years. This includes
>>>> children and victims through
>>>> needle stick.
>>>
>>> Actually, I have witnessed spontaneous disappearance of HIV titers
>>> in some folks that have refused anti-retroviral cocktails.
>>
>> Permanently? Written up in any medical journal? Journal name,
>> number, article name, author???
>
> Unlike you, I do not doubt the possibility of miracles... Not that we
> can count on them, my wife died of kidney failure 7-30-05 in spite of
> prayers that she would be cured.
And yet the bible promises that all you have to do is ask.
<snip>
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
> > ""Mark T"" <thinkaboutwh@youaredoing2322232322254464556867552> wrote
> > in message news:448a...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> >> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >> No, my brother was an atheist. His gay lovers included an Anglican
> >> priest and a Russian Orthodox priest. He had many Christian friends
> >> but none gave him a satisfactory answer to his questions ... and I
> >> was a fundamentalist at the time (no longer) Is my brother burning
> >> in hell along with Ghandi and Hitler?
> >
> > 1 Tim. 2:3-4
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >>> Many folks have their HIV titers reduced to undetectable with a
> >>> corresponding rise in CD4 counts back to normal on anti-retroviral
> >>> cocktails.
> >>
> >> But you know that is not a cure .. and that the cause is the
> >> medication not God.
> >
> > Couldn't God have had a hand in the medication's discovery ? I
> > believe He very well was involved.
>
> Suppose a man runs into a burning building and pulls a horribly burned
> person to safety while a few hundred others burn to death. What a hero!
>
> What happens when it's found out he set the fire so he could be the hero?
>
> At best this is what your god did.
Actually, my LORD will have saved all who have placed their faith in
HIM.
> Poor analogy because others did the work
> and it left the building burning.
Actually, the tenants are the ones who set the building on fire with
nuclear bombs (see NKorea and Iran).
> >>>> NONE!!! Not one single case in the last 25 years. This includes
> >>>> children and victims through
> >>>> needle stick.
> >>>
> >>> Actually, I have witnessed spontaneous disappearance of HIV titers
> >>> in some folks that have refused anti-retroviral cocktails.
> >>
> >> Permanently? Written up in any medical journal? Journal name,
> >> number, article name, author???
> >
> > Unlike you, I do not doubt the possibility of miracles... Not that we
> > can count on them, my wife died of kidney failure 7-30-05 in spite of
> > prayers that she would be cured.
>
> And yet the bible promises that all you have to do is ask.
That has been my experience.
Sorry it has not been yours. Please forgive all my iniquities.
May GOD continue keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Mike whom I
love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf?
Al Klein
<christi...@ev1.net> wrote:
>""Mark T"" <thinkaboutwh@youaredoing2322232322254464556867552> wrote in
>message news:448a...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
>>>> NONE!!! Not one single case in the last 25 years. This includes
>>>> children and victims through
>>>> needle stick.
>>> Actually, I have witnessed spontaneous disappearance of HIV titers in
>>> some folks that have refused anti-retroviral cocktails.
>> Permanently? Written up in any medical journal? Journal name, number,
>> article name, author???
>Unlike you, I do not doubt the possibility of miracles.
No objective evidence of any miracles. Plenty of things science
couldn't explain at the time, but the sun DOESN'T move across the sky
because the sun god pulls it across in his chariot, remember? It's
not a miracle, just a lack of knowledge.
>>>> I am a liberal Christian and Exiled Believer (Read John Shelby Spong).
>> ....
>>>> First mistake: God heals, not God's Messiah. Jesus is YHWH's Christ /
>>>> Messiah not YHWH himself.
>>> Christ Jesus is GOD the Son.
>> Jesus of Nazareth never claimed that. He called himself the Son of Man
>> indicating his humanity.
>Agreed
First - it's Jesus the NAZORITE, not Jesus the NAZARENE. A simple
translation error changed him from a man who obeys God to a man who
comes from a town that didn't exist until long after he was dead. And
the claim wasn't even made until he was dead (supposedly - fictional
characters don't really die) well over a century.
Second - first century Christianity wasn't about a man called the
Christ, it was about a congregation of the Chreestos - "the Anointed
of God". 'Jesus' was the Logos - the part of God that he used to
interact with the universe, not some person - until long after the
second century started.
Most so-called "Christians" have no idea when the first recorded use
of Jesus, the man, as opposed to Chreestos, the followers, occurred.
And it wasn't in 'inspired' writing, it was in writing that went
largely ignored for a long time.
>> Never stated by the hostorical Jesus of Nazareth nor the historical
>> Thomas. ONLY in John's gospel written 90 - 120 CE.
>For me the possible date it was written is not relevant.
If you're interested in truth it should be. If you're only interested
in "facts" that back up your beliefs you wouldn't be. When something
was written is sometimes more important than what was written, or by
whom.
>Agreed, but *even* Jesus' namesake doesn't give Jesus the credit, as His
>name means "God saves" / "God is salvation"
Funny, since early Christianity - say up until about 150 - believed
that salvation was through knowledge of the god of Moses. There was
no belief in any "son" of any "god" who died for salvation. That was
a later addition.
Realize that in the last couple of years new discoveries about early
Christianity have been made. Most of what Christians have believed
for centuries wasn't. Of course that won't change the minds of any
"true believers" - belief has nothing to do with fact, just with
belief.
Funny, that, since Logos, the only path to salvation according to real
Christianity, can be translated as "truth", which "true believers"
aren't at all interested in. Kind of makes you wonder who the
Christians are.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"To assume the existence of an unperceivable being ... does not facilitate understanding
the orderliness we find in the perceivable world."
- Letter to an Iowa student who asked, What is God? July, 1953; Einstein Archive 59-085
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
Al Klein
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>Actually, my LORD will have saved all who have placed their faith in
>HIM.
Nice gimmick.
"I'll make it rain by morning, as long as no one thinks of a blue
hippopotamus."
It doesn't rain.
"Someone must have thought of a blue hippopotamus during the night."
That's such primitive superstitious thinking - and you fall for it?
What's the MD stand for? Manic Depressive? Malt Draft? I know what
the PhD stands for, but I'm wearing my hip boots, so I don't care how
high it's piled.
>> Poor analogy because others did the work and it left the building burning.
>Actually, the tenants are the ones who set the building on fire with
>nuclear bombs (see NKorea and Iran).
No more germ theory of disease? Nuclear bombs cause HIV? Remind me
to seek out a Bowery bum the next time I need medical advice if you're
the only alternative, DOCTOR. Alcohol can actually be medicinal,
believing in magic can't.
>> > Unlike you, I do not doubt the possibility of miracles... Not that we
>> > can count on them, my wife died of kidney failure 7-30-05 in spite of
>> > prayers that she would be cured.
>> And yet the bible promises that all you have to do is ask.
>That has been my experience.
The poster asked that his wife be spared. So did others. She wasn't.
THAT'S ALSO been your experience - now. Your bible says that all you
need are 3 people asking in your god's name and it shall be done.
Usenet isn't large enough to contain a list of all the times THIS YEAR
that's failed to happen.
>May GOD continue keep your heart beating
Lack of cholesterol in the diet will do a lot more to keep it beating.
So will exercise. Lying on the couch eating bacon and fried foods and
praying 24/7 won't help at all. Even if the entire world prays for
you.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"Speculating on the possible reaction to evidence is no excuse for
failing to produce the evidence."
- Wayne M. Delia+
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 16:12:50 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
> <christi...@ev1.net> wrote:
>
> >""Mark T"" <thinkaboutwh@youaredoing2322232322254464556867552> wrote in
> >message news:448a...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> >> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
>
> >>>> NONE!!! Not one single case in the last 25 years. This includes
> >>>> children and victims through
> >>>> needle stick.
>
> >>> Actually, I have witnessed spontaneous disappearance of HIV titers in
> >>> some folks that have refused anti-retroviral cocktails.
>
> >> Permanently? Written up in any medical journal? Journal name, number,
> >> article name, author???
>
> >Unlike you, I do not doubt the possibility of miracles.
>
> No objective evidence of any miracles.
Each heartbeat is a miracle.
An EKG provides objective evidence of such miracles.
It's sad that folks don't appreciate them until they start losing them.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to
understand this, dear Al whom I love unconditionally.
Mike Painter
> Mike Painter wrote:
>> Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
>>
>> And yet the bible promises that all you have to do is ask.
>
> That has been my experience.
>
> Sorry it has not been yours. Please forgive all my iniquities.
I usually ignore your insane rants, but if what you say is true, ther is a
simple test.
Ask your god to make me believe in it.
I'll get back to you when it happens.
Honest to god I will.
God
<iMGWg.10437$vJ2....@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>> Mike Painter wrote:
>>> Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
>>>
>>> And yet the bible promises that all you have to do is ask.
>>
>> That has been my experience.
>>
>> Sorry it has not been yours. Please forgive all my iniquities.
>
> I usually ignore your insane rants, but if what you say is true, ther
> is a simple test.
>
> Ask your god to make me believe in it.
I have atrophied your testicles and killed all your sperm.
> I'll get back to you when it happens.
>
> Honest to god I will.
So, you'll admit to firing blanks and having atrophied testicles, will you?
--
I am The Great I Am.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Mike Painter wrote:
> >> Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
> >>
> >> And yet the bible promises that all you have to do is ask.
> >
> > That has been my experience.
> >
> > Sorry it has not been yours. Please forgive all my iniquities.
>
> I usually ignore your insane rants
Sorry my posts bother you. Please forgive all my iniquities.
>, but if what you say is true
It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.
>, ther is a
> simple test.
> Ask your god to make me believe in it.
It remains HIS infinite will that all souls, including those belonging
to fig trees (Mark 11:12-14,20), have free will.
> I'll get back to you when it happens.
It won't.
> Honest to god I will.
You aren't.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to
understand this, dear neighbor Mike whom I love unconditionally.
Al Klein
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>Al Klein wrote:
>> On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 16:12:50 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
>> <christi...@ev1.net> wrote:
>> >Unlike you, I do not doubt the possibility of miracles.
>> No objective evidence of any miracles.
>Each heartbeat is a miracle.
You call yourself a doctor and don't know how muscle tissue works?
It's chemistry, not miracles.
>An EKG provides objective evidence of such miracles.
An EKG provides evidence of electricity flowing.
>May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to
>understand this, dear Al whom I love unconditionally.
Why are you cursing me? What have I ever done to you? Would you
abuse your children with that mouth? (Oh, you probably do.)
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >Al Klein wrote:
> >> On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 16:12:50 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
> >> <christi...@ev1.net> wrote:
>
> >> >Unlike you, I do not doubt the possibility of miracles.
>
> >> No objective evidence of any miracles.
>
> >Each heartbeat is a miracle.
>
> You call yourself a doctor
That is the shape that GOD has miraculously given me.
> and don't know how muscle tissue works?
You may go ahead and demonstrate how long you can hand-squeeze a
gasoline siphon pump using the muscle tissue in your arm before tiring
out.
GOD has enabled some hearts to beat unceasingly for more than 100
years.
> It's chemistry, not miracles.
Those who know chemistry know miracles.
> >An EKG provides objective evidence of such miracles.
>
> An EKG provides evidence of electricity flowing.
Those who know EKGs know miracles.
> >May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to
> >understand this, dear Al whom I love unconditionally.
>
> Why are you cursing me?
If you wish to see the power of a curse, simply curse GOD and die (Book
of Jude).
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to
understand this, dear Al whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Al Klein
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>Mike Painter wrote:
>> I usually ignore your insane rants
>Sorry my posts bother you. Please forgive all my iniquities.
Willful ignorance is unforgivable. And, if you really believe in the
tenets of the religion you profess belief in, you'd know that your god
doesn't forgive it either.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"Creationists are the best evidence we have that there is no intelligent design."
-Josef Balluch
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >Mike Painter wrote:
>
> >> I usually ignore your insane rants
>
> >Sorry my posts bother you. Please forgive all my iniquities.
>
> Willful ignorance is unforgivable.
And, so you will be judged by your own measure without Christ:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to
understand this and possibly accept HIS offer of salvation, dear
neighbor Al whom I love unconditionally.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
"Mike Painter" <mddotp...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:wqAWg.21246$Ij.1...@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
> Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
>> ""Mark T"" <thinkaboutwh@youaredoing2322232322254464556867552> wrote
>> in message news:448a...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>>> Many folks have their HIV titers reduced to undetectable with a
>>>> corresponding rise in CD4 counts back to normal on anti-retroviral
>>>> cocktails.
>>>
>>> But you know that is not a cure .. and that the cause is the
>>> medication not God.
>>
>> Couldn't God have had a hand in the medication's discovery ? I
>> believe He very well was involved.
>
> Suppose a man runs into a burning building and pulls a horribly burned
> person to safety while a few hundred others burn to death. What a hero!
Yes, indeed the man was a hero.
> What happens when it's found out he set the fire so he could be the hero?
As He is not God, no.
> At best this is what your god did. Poor analogy because others did the
> work and it left the building burning.
He took the other few hundred to Heaven, God remains a hero.
Yes, your analogy is a very poor one, as it compared a mere man to God.
<snip>
>> Unlike you, I do not doubt the possibility of miracles... Not that we
>> can count on them, my wife died of kidney failure 7-30-05 in spite of
>> prayers that she would be cured.
>
> And yet the bible promises that all you have to do is ask.
My wife is cured ! In Heaven she is no longer restricted on food and drink
as she was, and no longer suffers.
> <snip>
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
"Al Klein" <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:j64mi2pct9urjqd2s...@4ax.com...
> On 9 Oct 2006 16:13:41 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>
>>Actually, my LORD will have saved all who have placed their faith in HIM.
Our faith was in Him, and (see below) He did save my wife, just not the way
we hoped.
<snip>
>>> And yet the bible promises that all you have to do is ask.
>
>>That has been my experience.
>
> The poster asked that his wife be spared. So did others. She wasn't.
She was, she is now in Heaven, she no longer suffers.
> THAT'S ALSO been your experience - now. Your bible says that all you
> need are 3 people asking in your god's name and it shall be done.
It was done, as I asked for prayer on line, hundreds prayed. We also pray
"Your will be done", knowing God is wiser than we are.
> Usenet isn't large enough to contain a list of all the times THIS YEAR
> that's failed to happen.
It has never failed.
>>May GOD continue keep your heart beating
>
> Lack of cholesterol in the diet will do a lot more to keep it beating.
> So will exercise. Lying on the couch eating bacon and fried foods and
> praying 24/7 won't help at all. Even if the entire world prays for
> you.
You forget who gave you the mind and body to work with.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
Experience is the best fact.
"Al Klein" <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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Glenn (Christian Mystic)
See John 17 (whole chapter)
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:1149908396.4...@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Mark T wrote:
>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" wrote:
>>
>> >> Use your God-given brain, Andrew!
>> >
>> > I have and do use my mind to glorify GOD, Whom I love with all my
>> > heart, soul, **mind** and strength.
>>
>> Use it also to see God in all aspects of your life.
>
> GOD is in all aspects of my surrendered life.
>
>> >> My brother, Dr Brett Tindall, was part of the Sydney AIDS Team till
>> >> his
>> >> death in 1994 from AIDS related illness.
>> > You have my condolences for your loss, dear Mark.
>> > Was your brother saved by faith in LORD Jesus Christ?
>>
>> No, my brother was an atheist. His gay lovers included an Anglican
>> priest
>> and a Russian Orthodox priest. He had many Christian friends but none
>> gave
>> him a satisfactory answer to his questions ... and I was a fundamentalist
>> at
>> the time (no longer)
>
> Did your brother ask you his questions that did not receive
> satisfactory answers from his born-again Christian friends?
>
>> Is my brother burning in hell along with Ghandi and Hitler?
>
> It would be my choice to refrain from judging others including your
> brother.
>
> As for anyone burning in hell at this point in time, in is written that
> Christ Jesus now has the keys to both death and hell so that there are
> many, including your brother, who are now asleep awaiting their
> awakening when the Lamb returns as the Lion to judge with HIS full
> authority.
>
>> >> See article written by Hon Justice Michael Kirby AC CMG President,
>> >> Court
>> >> of
>> >> Appeal, Supreme Court of NSW (1984 - 1996) on my brother Dr Brett
>> >> Tindall.
>> >> http://www.lawfoundation.net.au/resources/kirby/papers/19940701_brett...
>> > Here is a tinyurl for your cite:
>> > http://tinyurl.com/jru3f
>>
>> Thank you.
>
> You are welcome.
>
> Would redirect all thanks and praises to GOD, Whom I love with all my
> being.
>
>> >> How many cases of AIDS have been cured by God???????
>> >
>> > Many folks have their HIV titers reduced to undetectable with a
>> > corresponding rise in CD4 counts back to normal on anti-retroviral
>> > cocktails.
>>
>> But you know that is not a cure .. and that the cause is the medication
>> not
>> God.
>
> All things happens according to GOD's infinite will.
>
>> >> NONE!!! Not one single
>> >> case in the last 25 years. This includes children and victims through
>> >> needle stick.
>> >
>> > Actually, I have witnessed spontaneous disappearance of HIV titers in
>> > some folks that have refused anti-retroviral cocktails.
>>
>> Permanently?
>
> Yes.
>
>> Written up in any medical journal?
>
> No. Our infectious disease folks here in Atlanta are overworked and
> really don't have the leisure time for writing such case reports.
> However, there are case reports of spontaneous clearance of HIV virus
> in the literature already.
>
>> Journal name, number,
>> article name, author???
>
> Here's one:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/qnwa3
>
>> >> I am a liberal Christian and Exiled Believer (Read John Shelby Spong).
>> ....
>> >> First mistake: God heals, not God's Messiah. Jesus is YHWH's Christ /
>> >> Messiah not YHWH himself.
>> >
>> > Christ Jesus is GOD the Son.
>>
>> Jesus of Nazareth never claimed that. He called himself the Son of Man
>> indicating his humanity.
>
> Actually, Jesus of Nazareth did say HE and HIS Father are One.
>
> "I and the Father are One." -- LORD Jesus Christ (John 10:30)
>
> "Why then do you accuse me of blaspjemy because I said, 'I am GOD's
> Son'?" -- LORD Jesus Christ (John 10:36)
>
>> > "My LORD **and** my GOD!" -- Archetypal atheist "Doubting" Thomas upon
>> > seeing the risen Christ.
>>
>> Never stated by the hostorical Jesus of Nazareth nor the historical
>> Thomas.
>> ONLY in John's gospel written 90 - 120 CE.
>
> Here is what John the Baptist said about Jesus of Nazareth:
>
> "HE will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. HIS winnowing
> fork is in HIS hand, and HE will clear the threshing floor, gathering
> HIS wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable
> fire." (Matthew 3:11b-12)
>
> Here is how Jesus of Nazareth answered when directly asked if HE were
> the Christ, the Son of GOD:
>
> "Yes, it is as you say" - LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 26:64)
>
> Here is how Jesus of Nazareth answered when directly asked if HE were
> the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One:
>
> "I am" - LORD Jesus Christ (Mark 14:62)
>
> Here is how Jesus of Nazareth answered when directly asked "Are you
> then the Son of GOD?"
>
> "You are right in saying I am." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 22:70b)
>
>> 1Ti 2:5 For there is ONE GOD, and one mediator between GOD and men, the
>> MAN
>> Christ Jesus
>
> "I and the Father are One." -- LORD Jesus Christ (John 10:30)
>
>> --
>>
>> ***********************************************************
>>
>> 'As rare as a Fundamentalist who loves his enemy.
>
> If that is truly the definition of a Fundamentalist (ie one that rarely
> loves his/her enemy), s/he would not be obedient to Jesus' second
> commandment.
>
>> #################################################
>> ... quoting from James Barr's book "Fundamentalism" on the three
>> distinguishing features of the Fundamentalist '... an assurance that
>> those
>> who do not share their religious viewpoint are not really true Christians
>> at
>> all.' - Peter Cameron "Heretic" (Doubleday; Sydney: 1994) p. 178
>> #################################################
>
> The danger of labelling anyone is that it is akin to name-calling which
> is bearing false witness.
>
> Still praying on your behalf, dear Mark.
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Andrew
Mike Painter
> Mike Painter wrote:
>> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>> Mike Painter wrote:
>>>> Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
>> >>
>>>> And yet the bible promises that all you have to do is ask.
>>>
>>> That has been my experience.
>>>
>>> Sorry it has not been yours. Please forgive all my iniquities.
>>
>> I usually ignore your insane rants
>
> Sorry my posts bother you. Please forgive all my iniquities.
>
>> , but if what you say is true
>
> It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.
>
>> , ther is a
>> simple test.
>> Ask your god to make me believe in it.
>
> It remains HIS infinite will that all souls, including those belonging
> to fig trees (Mark 11:12-14,20), have free will.
>
>> I'll get back to you when it happens.
>
> It won't.
Of course it won't.
You tell me that your god has always given you what you ask for.
I ask that you ask it to reveal itself to me and you claim that would
interfer with my free will.
I wonder if you practice medicine this way?
Do you believe revealing a treatment plan that you *know* will work removes
a persons free will?
Or did this god thing of yours remove your free will?
Cary Kittrell
"Mike Painter" <mddotp...@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Mike Painter wrote:
> >> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> >>> Mike Painter wrote:
> >>>> Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
> >> >>
> >>>> And yet the bible promises that all you have to do is ask.
> >>>
> >>> That has been my experience.
> >>>
> >>> Sorry it has not been yours. Please forgive all my iniquities.
> >>
> >> I usually ignore your insane rants
> >
> > Sorry my posts bother you. Please forgive all my iniquities.
> >
> >> , but if what you say is true
> >
> > It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.
> >
> >> , ther is a
> >> simple test.
> >> Ask your god to make me believe in it.
> >
> > It remains HIS infinite will that all souls, including those belonging
> > to fig trees (Mark 11:12-14,20), have free will.
> >
> >> I'll get back to you when it happens.
> >
> > It won't.
>
> Of course it won't.
> You tell me that your god has always given you what you ask for.
> I ask that you ask it to reveal itself to me and you claim that would
> interfer with my free will.
Apparently God's healing my tinitus, and Andrew (he says) requested
Him to do, and that in Jesus' name, would also be in violation of
my free will.
Andrew's response was that God WILL thus cure me, but He ain't
saying when...
Apparently in Andrew's copy Jesus says "Take up thy bed and walk ...HEY!
I DIDN'T SAY NOW!"
> I wonder if you practice medicine this way?
> Do you believe revealing a treatment plan that you *know* will work removes
> a persons free will?
> Or did this god thing of yours remove your free will?
>
>
>
>
-- cary
mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
> You tell me that your god has always given you what you ask for.
> I ask that you ask it to reveal itself to me and you claim that would
> interfer with my free will.
> I wonder if you practice medicine this way?
some medicine is practiced this way
get an education
> Do you believe revealing a treatment plan that you *know* will work removes
> a persons free will?
> Or did this god thing of yours remove your free will?
meow arf meow - they are performing horrible experiments in space
major grubert is watching you - beware the bakalite
there can only be one or two - the airtight garage has you neo
Al Klein
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>Al Klein wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> >Al Klein wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 16:12:50 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
>> >> <christi...@ev1.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> >Unlike you, I do not doubt the possibility of miracles.
>>
>> >> No objective evidence of any miracles.
>>
>> >Each heartbeat is a miracle.
>>
>> You call yourself a doctor
>
>That is the shape that GOD has miraculously given me.
So you practice medicine without a license granted by MAN? That would
make you a felonious fraud, at best. Dangerous as a bullet in a
bonfire more likely.
>> and don't know how muscle tissue works?
>You may go ahead and demonstrate how long you can hand-squeeze a
>gasoline siphon pump using the muscle tissue in your arm before tiring
>out.
Hand muscles aren't the kind that can operate continuously - surely
you know the difference between the different types of muscle tissue?
Or are you a WMD? (And I'm not talking about weapons.)
>GOD has enabled some hearts to beat unceasingly for more than 100
>years.
Amazing. Most hearts - trillions and trillions of them , since long
before the Cambrian - have beaten for the life of their owners with no
god being evident.
Trees maintain circulation too - or are you going to claim that
partial pressure differentials are something your god takes an
everyday hand in too?
>> It's chemistry, not miracles.
>Those who know chemistry know miracles.
Those who know chemistry claim otherwise. It's no miracle that some
atoms can form molecules with other atoms - it's just the nature of
the particles. You want a miracle? Ask your god for some copper
ferrite. Or iron cuprite. Those would be miraculous.
>> >An EKG provides objective evidence of such miracles.
>> An EKG provides evidence of electricity flowing.
>Those who know EKGs know miracles.
I know EKGs. A lot better than you do, even assuming that you're an
electrocardiologist, which I sincerely doubt. And I know exactly how
they work - I could even build one from components. No miracles.
>> Why are you cursing me?
>If you wish to see the power of a curse
No power - just your "Christian" rudeness.
>simply curse GOD and die (Bookof Jude).
Another theistic lie - I have, and I'm still here. Although I *DID*
die once. And a cardiologist - a real one, not a pretender like you -
brought me back to life. But I'm still here.
Don't waste your time telling me how, since I cursed your god, I'm
going to die a final death when my body dies. I've been there,
Chuckles, and you haven't, so I can tell you what lies on the other
side, but you don't have a clue. How do I know that? Simple. You're
a theist. You're so clueless about the subject that you couldn't rent
a clue for 2 seconds if someone gave you the keys to Fort Knox.
>Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
The Chreestos? You have no clue what that even means. Hint: it isn't
an individual (man, spirit or whatever) that it refers to. Why don't
you learn something about the religion you claim to be part of? If
you knew you would have wished me to be part of the Chreestos. The
only question would be which one.
--
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Al Klein
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>Al Klein wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> >Mike Painter wrote:
>>
>> >> I usually ignore your insane rants
>>
>> >Sorry my posts bother you. Please forgive all my iniquities.
>>
>> Willful ignorance is unforgivable.
>
>And, so you will be judged by your own measure without Christ:
Yawn. Been there, done that, refused the T-shirt. One problem. No
there, there. (You don't understand that? If you're very lucky, you
may some day.)
>http://HeartMDPhD.com/Christ.asp
Nice story, but since I've been there, I know it's total bullshit.
Sorry, Chuckles, you're like the guy who tries to rape a male cop
dressed like a woman. Busted!
No waiting room. I didn't read much past that because at that point I
knew you made it up, so why bother. (Maybe you actually believe all
of it. If so, you have my pity.)
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
- H. L. Mencken
Mike Painter
> <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>
>> GOD has enabled some hearts to beat unceasingly for more than 100
>> years.
>
20 miles away.
An hour or more later they can sew the finger back on and I will regain most
if not all function because the tissue is still alive.
I can live without the finger.
If your wonderful god given heart muscle goes for a very short time without
a blood supply the tissue dies.
A few minutes at most and the heart dies.
How clever, I guess god must like the finger.
Mike Painter
> On 10 Oct 2006 10:14:25 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>
>> Al Klein wrote:
>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>> Mike Painter wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I usually ignore your insane rants
>>>
>>>> Sorry my posts bother you. Please forgive all my iniquities.
>>>
>>> Willful ignorance is unforgivable.
>>
>> And, so you will be judged by your own measure without Christ:
>
> Yawn. Been there, done that, refused the T-shirt. One problem. No
> there, there. (You don't understand that? If you're very lucky, you
> may some day.)
Not even his their, there
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Mike Painter wrote:
> >> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> >>> Mike Painter wrote:
> >>>> Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
> >> >>
> >>>> And yet the bible promises that all you have to do is ask.
> >>>
> >>> That has been my experience.
> >>>
> >>> Sorry it has not been yours. Please forgive all my iniquities.
> >>
> >> I usually ignore your insane rants
> >
> > Sorry my posts bother you. Please forgive all my iniquities.
> >
> >> , but if what you say is true
> >
> > It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.
> >
> >> , ther is a
> >> simple test.
> >> Ask your god to make me believe in it.
> >
> > It remains HIS infinite will that all souls, including those belonging
> > to fig trees (Mark 11:12-14,20), have free will.
> >
> >> I'll get back to you when it happens.
> >
> > It won't.
>
> Of course it won't.
> You tell me that your god has always given you what you ask for.
HE has.
> I ask that you ask it to reveal itself to me and you claim that would
> interfer with my free will.
Actually, you asked for something different.
> I wonder if you practice medicine this way?
You have the free will to wonder thanks to what GOD has generously
given you.
> Do you believe revealing a treatment plan that you *know* will work removes
> a persons free will?
No.
> Or did this god thing of yours remove your free will?
No.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Mike whom I
Mark K. Bilbo
> On 10 Oct 2006 05:46:53 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>
>>Al Klein wrote:
>>> Andrew wrote:
>>> >Al Klein wrote:
>>> >> On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 16:12:50 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
>>> >> <christi...@ev1.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> >Unlike you, I do not doubt the possibility of miracles.
>>>
>>> >> No objective evidence of any miracles.
>>>
>>> >Each heartbeat is a miracle.
>>>
>>> You call yourself a doctor
>>
>>That is the shape that GOD has miraculously given me.
>
> So you practice medicine without a license granted by MAN? That would
> make you a felonious fraud, at best. Dangerous as a bullet in a
> bonfire more likely.
Unfortunately--unless they caught up to him recently--he has a license
from the State of Georgia...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
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for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
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Mike Painter
always given him anything he asks for, claims unconditional love and yet
will not ask his god to do a simple thing.
How predictable.
He can't ask because it would damage his world view when it failed.
Al Klein
<gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 20:12:58 -0400, Al Klein wrote:
>
>> On 10 Oct 2006 05:46:53 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Al Klein wrote:
>>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>> >Al Klein wrote:
>>>> >> On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 16:12:50 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
>>>> >> <christi...@ev1.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >> >Unlike you, I do not doubt the possibility of miracles.
>>>>
>>>> >> No objective evidence of any miracles.
>>>>
>>>> >Each heartbeat is a miracle.
>>>>
>>>> You call yourself a doctor
>>>
>>>That is the shape that GOD has miraculously given me.
>>
>> So you practice medicine without a license granted by MAN? That would
>> make you a felonious fraud, at best. Dangerous as a bullet in a
>> bonfire more likely.
>
>Unfortunately--unless they caught up to him recently--he has a license
>from the State of Georgia...
Then he lies for Haysoos. Doesn't surprise me, though.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived."
- Isaac Asimov
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
The choice to place faith in LORD Jesus Christ was not a loss of free
will but an expression of free will:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b1957ab18d3c93f1?
>, claims god has
> always given him anything he asks for,
HIS brethren have received all that they have asked for in HIS name:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a4dee2b3057fe9ec?
> claims unconditional love
Actually, GOD's love is infinite and conditional:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da2d26da0ab97?
> and yet
> will not ask his god to do a simple thing.
It remains my choice to not go against HIS infinite will that all souls
retain HIS generous gift of free will.
> How predictable.
Those were satan's thoughts when Jesus refused his offer of all the
riches in the world.
> He can't ask because it would damage his world view when it failed.
It remains my choice not to.
Sorry my choice to remain in GOD's will bothers you so terribly. Please
forgive all my iniquities.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to
understand this, dear neighbor Mike whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
Mark K. Bilbo
> On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:30:26 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
> <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 20:12:58 -0400, Al Klein wrote:
>>
>>> On 10 Oct 2006 05:46:53 -0700, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>>> <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Al Klein wrote:
>>>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>>> >Al Klein wrote:
>>>>> >> On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 16:12:50 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
>>>>> >> <christi...@ev1.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >> >Unlike you, I do not doubt the possibility of miracles.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> No objective evidence of any miracles.
>>>>>
>>>>> >Each heartbeat is a miracle.
>>>>>
>>>>> You call yourself a doctor
>>>>
>>>>That is the shape that GOD has miraculously given me.
>>>
>>> So you practice medicine without a license granted by MAN? That would
>>> make you a felonious fraud, at best. Dangerous as a bullet in a
>>> bonfire more likely.
>>
>>Unfortunately--unless they caught up to him recently--he has a license
>>from the State of Georgia...
>
> Then he lies for Haysoos. Doesn't surprise me, though.
Well, he *is a loony...
Al Klein
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
>Apparently God's healing my tinitus, and Andrew (he says) requested
>Him to do, and that in Jesus' name, would also be in violation of
>my free will.
You have a cure for tinitus? Tell! The hell with my free will. I
wear 2 hearing aids every waking moment. I think I'd even become a
theist for a few cures (not just for the tinitus, though).
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an
old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and
never has been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in
its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of
madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
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Al Klein
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>You have the free will to wonder thanks to what GOD has generously
>given you.
You do realize (no, you probably don't) that an omniscient, omnipotent
creator god and free will are mutually exclusive, right?
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus
was not born of a virgin."
Cardinal Bellarmine,[1615, during the trial of Galileo]
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
>
> >You have the free will to wonder thanks to what GOD has generously
> >given you.
>
> You do realize (no, you probably don't) that an omniscient, omnipotent
> creator god and free will are mutually exclusive, right?
Wrong.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b1957ab18d3c93f1?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a77da2d26da0ab97?
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to
understand this, dear neighbor Al whom I love unconditionally.
Cary Kittrell
Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid>
>
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:14:58 +0000 (UTC), ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu
> (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
>
> >Apparently God's healing my tinitus, and Andrew (he says) requested
> >Him to do, and that in Jesus' name, would also be in violation of
> >my free will.
>
> You have a cure for tinitus?
Well, Andrew claims God will grant him that on request (along
with anything else he requests in Jesus' name). Apparently
the backup parachute here is "but He won't say when He'll do it".
> Tell! The hell with my free will. I
> wear 2 hearing aids every waking moment.
Bummer alert! I'm sorry to hear that, and a bit ashamed that
I even brought up my -- very mild -- case.
(did you know that two air bags going of at once can produce
up to 170 dB? neither did I)
> I think I'd even become a
> theist for a few cures (not just for the tinitus, though).
I'd go for a permanent cure for sobriety, to replace these
primitive stopgap measures which require you to remember
to drink, every day and without fail.
--cary
Al Klein
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>Al Klein wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> >You have the free will to wonder thanks to what GOD has generously
>> >given you.
>> You do realize (no, you probably don't) that an omniscient, omnipotent
>> creator god and free will are mutually exclusive, right?
>Wrong.
You don't even know my argument so how can you tell me that I'm wrong?
Oh, right, your god is omniscient, so he told you that I'm wrong.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"I have never imputed to Nature a purpose or a goal, or anything that could be under-
stood as anthropomorphic. What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can
comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of
humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism."
- 1954 or 1955; quoted in Dukas and Hoffman _Albert Einstein the Human Side_, p. 39
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >Al Klein wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
>
> >> >You have the free will to wonder thanks to what GOD has generously
> >> >given you.
>
> >> You do realize (no, you probably don't) that an omniscient, omnipotent
> >> creator god and free will are mutually exclusive, right?
>
> >Wrong.
>
> You don't even know my argument so how can you tell me that I'm wrong?
Your belief that "an omniscient, omnipotent, Creator GOD and free will
are mutually exclusive" is wrong:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >Al Klein wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
>
> >> >You have the free will to wonder thanks to what GOD has generously
> >> >given you.
>
> >> You do realize (no, you probably don't) that an omniscient, omnipotent
> >> creator god and free will are mutually exclusive, right?
>
> >Wrong.
>
> You don't even know my argument so how can you tell me that I'm wrong?
Your belief that "an omniscient, omnipotent, Creator GOD and free will
are mutually exclusive" is wrong:
Al Klein
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
>Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid>
>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:14:58 +0000 (UTC), ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu
>> (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
>> Tell! The hell with my free will. I
>> wear 2 hearing aids every waking moment.
>Bummer alert! I'm sorry to hear that, and a bit ashamed that
>I even brought up my -- very mild -- case.
Not so bad. Putting them in and turning them on gives me a new world
every morning.
>(did you know that two air bags going of at once can produce
>up to 170 dB? neither did I)
Thank the intelligent creator. One clap of thunder (we don't need
man-made noise) and you're deaf. I guess man was "designed" before he
thought of static electricity.
>I'd go for a permanent cure for sobriety, to replace these
>primitive stopgap measures which require you to remember
>to drink, every day and without fail.
I'd settle for the drink every day cure - I just need a cure for my
high blood sugar to be able to take that cure. I can brew ambrosia -
I can't drink it.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"Damn. Looks like all of usenet agrees that you don't have the logical
faculties to prove the statement 'dogshit is not peanut butter' if we
gave you a jar of each and a box of crackers" - John Hattan to Tichy
Al Klein
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>Al Klein wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>> >Al Klein wrote:
>> >> Andrew wrote:
>>
>> >> >You have the free will to wonder thanks to what GOD has generously
>> >> >given you.
>>
>> >> You do realize (no, you probably don't) that an omniscient, omnipotent
>> >> creator god and free will are mutually exclusive, right?
>>
>> >Wrong.
>>
>> You don't even know my argument so how can you tell me that I'm wrong?
>
>Your belief that "an omniscient, omnipotent, Creator GOD and free will
>are mutually exclusive" is wrong:
And if my argument were "I'm really God, just playing with you, and
I'm right", you'd still tell me I'm wrong?
You can't refute an ambiguous assertion without looking like a fool.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"Never in human history have such genocide and cruelty been
witnessed. Such a genocide was never seen in the time of the pharaohs nor
of Hitler nor of Mussolini."
- Mehmet Elkatmi, head of Turkish parliament's human rights commission
on Bush's genocide in the Iraq war. 11-28-2004
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >Al Klein wrote:
> >> Andrew wrote:
> >> >Al Klein wrote:
> >> >> Andrew wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >You have the free will to wonder thanks to what GOD has generously
> >> >> >given you.
> >>
> >> >> You do realize (no, you probably don't) that an omniscient, omnipotent
> >> >> creator god and free will are mutually exclusive, right?
> >>
> >> >Wrong.
> >>
> >> You don't even know my argument so how can you tell me that I'm wrong?
> >
> >Your belief that "an omniscient, omnipotent, Creator GOD and free will
> >are mutually exclusive" is wrong:
> >
>
> And if my argument were "I'm really God, just playing with you, and
> I'm right", you'd still tell me I'm wrong?
Without the LORD, you will always be wrong (Ecclesiastes).
> You can't refute an ambiguous assertion without looking like a fool.
That would be your choice to wear the moniker.
This victory is GOD's along with all the glory.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating to give you time to find
the way, dear neighbor Al whom I love unconditionally.
Al Klein
<lo...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>Al Klein wrote:
>> And if my argument were "I'm really God, just playing with you, and
>> I'm right", you'd still tell me I'm wrong?
>Without the LORD, you will always be wrong (Ecclesiastes).
Translation: I refuse to entertain a universe in which my beliefs are,
in the tiniest particular, wrong.
I hope your patients are very few, and very healthy.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"...I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do.
When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand
why I dismiss yours."
- Stephen F. Roberts
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >Al Klein wrote:
>
> >> And if my argument were "I'm really God, just playing with you, and
> >> I'm right", you'd still tell me I'm wrong?
>
> >Without the LORD, you will always be wrong (Ecclesiastes).
>
> Translation: I refuse to entertain a universe in which my beliefs are,
> in the tiniest particular, wrong.
The above which is written plainly requires no translation much less
the false one you have elected to provide.
> I hope your patients are very few, and very healthy.
My hope too, which would be realized for all cardiologists if everyone
were to use the 2PD-OMER Approach to reach and maintain their optimal
weight, however, GOD's will be done and not my will.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Al, whom I
love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >Al Klein wrote:
>
> >> And if my argument were "I'm really God, just playing with you, and
> >> I'm right", you'd still tell me I'm wrong?
>
> >Without the LORD, you will always be wrong (Ecclesiastes).
>
> Translation: I refuse to entertain a universe in which my beliefs are,
> in the tiniest particular, wrong.
The above which is written plainly requires no translation much less
the false one you have elected to provide.
> I hope your patients are very few, and very healthy.
My hope too, which would be realized for all cardiologists if everyone
were to use the 2PD-OMER Approach to reach and maintain their optimal
weight, however, GOD's will be done and not my will.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor who I love
unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth
Al Klein
<lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:
>Al Klein wrote:
>> I hope your patients are very few, and very healthy.
>My hope too, which would be realized for all cardiologists if everyone
>were to use the 2PD-OMER Approach to reach and maintain their optimal
>weight, however, GOD's will be done and not my will.
You CAN'T be that stupid and not be a blue-green alga. Bacteria catch
on faster. <WHAT was I thinking?>
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for their
numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible; in my opinion,
only His nonexistence could excuse Him."
-A. Einstein (Letter to Edgar Meyer, Jan. 2, 1915)
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew wrote:
> >Al Klein wrote:
>
> >> I hope your patients are very few, and very healthy.
>
> >My hope too, which would be realized for all cardiologists if everyone
> >were to use the 2PD-OMER Approach to reach and maintain their optimal
> >weight, however, GOD's will be done and not my will.
>
> You CAN'T be that stupid and not be a blue-green alga.
Sorry the truth bothers you so terribly. Please forgive all my
iniquities.
> Bacteria catch on faster. <WHAT was I thinking?>
The truth will always be greater than sarcasm.
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Al whom I
love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f4dad7fe68478acf?
> rukbat at optonline dot net
panam...@hotmail.com
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Andrew wrote:
> > >Al Klein wrote:
> >
> > >> And if my argument were "I'm really God, just playing with you, and
> > >> I'm right", you'd still tell me I'm wrong?
> >
> > >Without the LORD, you will always be wrong (Ecclesiastes).
> >
> > Translation: I refuse to entertain a universe in which my beliefs are,
> > in the tiniest particular, wrong.
>
> The above which is written plainly requires no translation much less
> the false one you have elected to provide.
>
> > I hope your patients are very few, and very healthy.
>
> My hope too, which would be realized for all cardiologists if everyone
> were to use the 2PD-OMER Approach to reach and maintain their optimal
> weight, however, GOD's will be done and not my will.
Still spamming that stupid diet, Earthquack? Well, at least you've
chosen the right market. Anyone stupid enough to believe in
christianity will buy anything.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man, Sep 06
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Al Klein wrote:
> > > Andrew wrote:
> > > >Al Klein wrote:
> > >
> > > >> And if my argument were "I'm really God, just playing with you, and
> > > >> I'm right", you'd still tell me I'm wrong?
> > >
> > > >Without the LORD, you will always be wrong (Ecclesiastes).
> > >
> > > Translation: I refuse to entertain a universe in which my beliefs are,
> > > in the tiniest particular, wrong.
> >
> > The above which is written plainly requires no translation much less
> > the false one you have elected to provide.
> >
> > > I hope your patients are very few, and very healthy.
> >
> > My hope too, which would be realized for all cardiologists if everyone
> > were to use the 2PD-OMER Approach to reach and maintain their optimal
> > weight, however, GOD's will be done and not my will.
>
> Still spamming
This is not spam.
> that stupid diet
The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
> , Earthquack?
Name-calling simply shows that you remain lost.
> Well, at least you've
> chosen the right market.
The 2PD-OMER Approach is not for sale.
> Anyone stupid enough to believe in
> christianity will buy anything.
Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
May GOD continue to keep your heart beating, dear neighbor Floyd whom I
love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
panam...@hotmail.com
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> panam...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > Al Klein wrote:
> > > > Andrew wrote:
> > > > >Al Klein wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >> And if my argument were "I'm really God, just playing with you, and
> > > > >> I'm right", you'd still tell me I'm wrong?
> > > >
> > > > >Without the LORD, you will always be wrong (Ecclesiastes).
> > > >
> > > > Translation: I refuse to entertain a universe in which my beliefs are,
> > > > in the tiniest particular, wrong.
> > >
> > > The above which is written plainly requires no translation much less
> > > the false one you have elected to provide.
> > >
> > > > I hope your patients are very few, and very healthy.
> > >
> > > My hope too, which would be realized for all cardiologists if everyone
> > > were to use the 2PD-OMER Approach to reach and maintain their optimal
> > > weight, however, GOD's will be done and not my will.
> >
> > Still spamming
>
> This is not spam.
Lying spammer. Lying makes Baby Jesus cry, Andy.
> > that stupid diet
>
> The 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet.
Yeah, yeah, "an approach to life" and all that other new-agey crap
people say when they're trying to sell a diet.
> > , Earthquack?
>
> Name-calling simply shows that you remain lost.
>
> > Well, at least you've
> > chosen the right market.
>
> The 2PD-OMER Approach is not for sale.
Just "renting" it, I suppose. What a pathetic creature you are, Andy.
> > Anyone stupid enough to believe in
> > christianity will buy anything.
>
> Without the LORD, your opinion is meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
And your opinions *are*? The ravings of a lunatic? You are a funny boy,
Andy. We should put you in the zoo and sell tickets.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man Sept 06
Archie Leach
>Name-calling simply shows that you remain lost.
In truth, cross-posting to auk simply shows that you still remain
lost.