> On 10 Feb, 18:01, "birdog" <bir...@aol.com> wrote:
<snip>
> > I was told that we are to simply accept God's will and not
> > question it. That is what the AGWers are saying to us today.
> Nonsense. Valid criticisms of science are part and parcel of its life
> blood. Falsification by experiment or by logical examination is vital
> to its sucess.
You seem to not realize that you just admitted that the CO2 premise
has not been verified through standard scientific practices: the fact
is that there have been no attempts to falsify the conjecture
(hypothesis) that increased CO2 does or does not have any effect on
global mean temperature. That said, one can only wonder why you
support the Global Warming notion since your own words dictate that,
at best, you should be neutral.
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http://sciencecop.info/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=TheCarbonWar
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Scientists' Report Documents ExxonMobil's Tobacco-like Disinformation
Campaign on Global Warming Science -- Oil Company Spent Nearly $16
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> You seem to not realize that you just admitted that the CO2 premise
> has not been verified through standard scientific practices: the fact
> is that there have been no attempts to falsify the conjecture
> (hypothesis) that increased CO2 does or does not have any effect on
> global mean temperature. That said, one can only wonder why you
> support the Global Warming notion since your own words dictate that,
> at best, you should be neutral.
Mr. Denk/Mcginn:
There are not any recent verifications that the
Earth is not flat, either. That the world is round
is an accepted fact. The material you are talking
about was settled in the 19th century. Radiative
forcing of climate is an accepted fact. No
professional scientist would waste his or her time
on the billionth replication of this century-old work.
No one is about to fund research into what science
has moved on from decades ago, either. Outside of
school classrooms and science fairs, you will not
find any modern verifications of such basic material.
(My son's science fair work would qualify, but that
is way too far over your head.)
You seem to have a lot of time on your hands. Why
don't you do your own experiment and get it published?
There is no doubt about radiative forcing on the micro-scale.
There is no certainty of anything of the kind on the macro-scale.
Climate science is far too young, imprecise and....... unscientific
for these statements to be being made. The round earth is no longer
in debate because if it were in debate the calculations of every
surveyor on the planet would fail to agree about the boundaries of
adjoining parcels of land. The standard model of quantum mechanics is
not in debate despite it's obvious shortcomings because if it were
wrong, computer chips wouldn't work. There is no similar analog for
the indisputability of anthropogenic co2 driven GW. Until such time
as there is a poster that climatologists each have on their wall
showing what the effects will be and the observations continue to
correlate for a few decades you should endeavor to be more humble.
Yes, there is, you mental retard. We have pictures from space.
But let's say for purposes of argument that you are correct. So
what? What's does poeples beliefs about the shape of the earth have
to do with global warming? They're unrelated you dipshit.
> That the world is round
> is an accepted fact. The material you are talking
> about was settled in the 19th century.
Go to hell you lieing bastard.
> Radiative
> forcing of climate is an accepted fact.
Only scientific illiterates like Richard Branson and scientists that
wish to separate that fool from his money have claimed acceptance of
this phoney notion.
Radiative forcing is immeasurable. It's impossible to have a
concensus on something that cannot be measured.
> No
> professional scientist would waste his or her time
> on the billionth replication of this century-old work.
References?
> No one is about to fund research into what science
> has moved on from decades ago, either. Outside of
> school classrooms and science fairs, you will not
> find any modern verifications of such basic material.
> (My son's science fair work would qualify, but that
> is way too far over your head.)
Give it up, Roger. It's plainly obvious that you are a scientific
illiterate.
> You seem to have a lot of time on your hands. Why
> don't you do your own experiment and get it published?
It's untestable, dipshit.
You are lying again. It's pathological with you.
>the fact
> is that there have been no attempts to falsify the conjecture
> (hypothesis) that increased CO2 does or does not have any effect on
> global mean temperature.
Or that increased acid does not have any effect on pH?
>That said, one can only wonder why you
> support the Global Warming notion since your own words dictate that,
> at best, you should be neutral.
One supposes you still believe in a young earth.
Even the president of Shell Oil says "98% of scientists" accept this.
Guess your payoffs are about to end!
Yes, it is flat. Those balls that float in space are really disks and we are
looking at one side of them. I saw it on the internet somewhere.
You missed those satelite photos?
Arrhenius, Prof. Svante. "On the Influence of Carbonic Acid in the
Air upon
the Temperature of the Ground." The London, Edinburgh, and Dublin
Philosophical Magazine and Journal of Science 5th Series. Vol.
41. No.
251. April 1896: pp. 237-276.
Connolley, Dr. William M., Translator. Fourier 1824: MEMOIRE sur les
temperatures du globe terrestre et des espaces planetaires.
May 17, 2006. British Antarctic Survey.
<http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/sci/fourier_1827/
fourier_1827.html>.
Tyndall, John. "On the Absorption and Radiation of Heat by Gases and
Vapours,
and on the Physical Connection of Radiation, Absorption, and
Conduction."
Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society of London Vol.
151.
February 7, 1861: pp. 1-36.
Present and Not-Too Distant from the Present
Christianson, Gale E. Greenhouse: The 200-Year Story of Global
Warming.
New York: Walker & Company, 1999.
Wert, Spencer R. The Discovery of Global Warming. Cambridge, MA:
New Histories of Science, Technology, and Medicine,
Harvard University Press, 2003.
Wert, Spencer R. The Discovery of Global Warming. November 1, 2006,
Center for History of Physics of the American Institute of
Physics.
<http://www.aip.org/history/climate/index.html#contents>.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Hydrogen+TRUTH+Gay+Liberation+Brigade&btnG=Search
You got nothing, don't ya?
First you need to figure out who I am, then you need to figure out where
I live, and only then can you hope to find out that I haven't even had
so much as a ticket since the 80s.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=hydrogen+TRUTH+sex+offender
Keep trying
I guarantee you that there is nothing in these books that disputes my
statement that there have been no attempts to falsify the conjecture
(hypothesis) that increased CO2 does or does not have any effect on
global mean temperature.
Science deal with facts, not cultish nonsense. AGW is nothing but
cultish nonsense.
You don't understand at all. It's nothing personal. Claudius Denk is a
pseudoname used by a guy who also calls himself Jim McGinn sometimes.
Hanson is a pseudoname, Kent Deathrage is a pseudoname. They all work
a strict corporate talking points agenda, sometimes triple-gang up
with Bawana and Ray Lopez, also pseudonames. I don't care who they
are. I care that somebody like me could walk in here 4 years ago and
not know there were paid agents lying in wait.
If they come in and see a bunch of junior-high-school food-fight post
subject lines they know without reading a single message this is not a
place to get any serious information, maybe they should ask google
instead.
YOU HELP ME by perpetuating the food-fight subject lines. Thanks,
stupido.
Nobody wins, nobody loses. The corporations just spent money and
didn't snare anybody. It's hollywood movie ending.
And I beat you. I haven't had a ticket since 1979.
Again, have there been recent attempts to falsify the existence of
atoms? That there is no phlogiston?
> Science deal with facts, not cultish nonsense.
You wouldn't know science if it bit you.
"No
> > > > professional scientist would waste his or her time
> > > > on the billionth replication of this century-old work..."
_____________________________
Translation: "I have no idea what was in the article, and I have no
intention of finding out."
"Global Warming is gospel, and that is all you need to know."
Do you always consider those who "help" you stupid?
> Nobody wins, nobody loses. The corporations just spent money and
> didn't snare anybody. It's hollywood movie ending.
>
> And I beat you. I haven't had a ticket since 1979.
I was 10 in 1979.
Every time I call Hanson, you come on my order and show the people
your little shit-flinging trick where you throw Exxon's Brown Turds at
the Greenies.
That's the Hanson Monkey Dance...
... it's about wealth-shifting: Exxon shifts YOUR Wealth to Exxon,
Yes, we got it!
http://ScienceCop.info/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=TheSunBetrayed
... because you are a hilarious to ridiculous senile parrot, "Awe Shit".
All you do is copy-cat, repeat & echo what others & I have told you.
Leon, you have not shown a single interesting, nor novel idea,
NOTHING of any originality, since you have been on the net in
the last 4 years ... EXCEPT counting how many times you have
typed "TURD", "Awe Shit", & announced how proud you were
about it. ... ahahahaha.... ahahaha...
>
1) I say Loin Kunts aka "Awe Shit" is on welfare. You repeat it.
2) I say Loin Kunts aka "Awe Shit" is following me. You repeat it.
3) Your "Palaces for the People" is old, repeated pedestrian and
dillettante social engineering that goes back to the 19th century.
4) Your H2-PV fanaticism is a repeat of old hat technology that
is and will only be wide spread in your own head.
5) Your irrational hatred against the corporate world is 100 year old
Communist/Marxist failed shit from the dust heap of history.
6) etc. etc, and of course etc....
>
You have NOT made one single sale in the last 4 years with your
parroting of old "Awe Shit", Leon. So, here learn the reason for your
failure, Grandpa "Awe Shit". It's all here in the **Green Bible**:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/7e7b9659fa4e9ac2
Then join the lucrative Dividend club of Exxon to make big $$.
You don't even have to be original or innovative to make $$ with Exxon.
It's tailor made for "Awe Shits" like you... or are you so analy gay that
you prefer to let Exxon ream you hemmies with the **Green Bible**...
ahahaha..
Thanks for the laughs, Leon
ahahaha... ahahahanson
PS:
Leon Kunts explains his reamed hemmies to Rush Limbaugh:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/12a8fed06fa8cb03
Every time I call Hanson, you come on my order and show the people
your little shit-flinging trick where you throw Exxon's Brown Turds at
the Greenies.
That's the Hanson Monkey Dance...
... it's about wealth-shifting: Exxon shifts YOUR Wealth to Exxon,
Yes, we got it!
http://ScienceCop.info/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=TheSunBetrayed
http://sciencecop.info/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=TheCarbonWar
http://sciencecop.info/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=Cartel+Solar+Patents
http://www.ucsusa.org/news/press_release/ExxonMobil-GlobalWarming-tob...
Every time I call Hanson, you come on my order and show the people
your little shit-flinging trick where you throw Exxon's Brown Turds at
the Greenies.
That's the Hanson Monkey Dance...
.... it's about wealth-shifting: Exxon shifts YOUR Wealth to Exxon,
Yes, we got it!
http://ScienceCop.info/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=TheSunBetrayed
http://sciencecop.info/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=TheCarbonWar
http://sciencecop.info/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=Cartel+Solar+Patents
http://www.ucsusa.org/news/press_release/ExxonMobil-GlobalWarming-tobacco.html
----- The green Bible & its enviro Theology that says: -------
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/20543afd0304b3f3
= "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
= believe is true. -- Paul Watson, Sea Shepard/ex-Greenpeace, &...
= "A lot of environmental [sci/soc/pol] messages are simply not
= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
= "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
-------- The 40 year old scheme of the Green Scam ----------
Modern, attributal definitions of enviro classifications:
========= enviro Class (1) --- the Green shit(s):
...are the ones who advocate, promote, support, legalize,
institute and extort the permit charges, the user fees, the
enviro surtaxes and the CO2/Carbon tax, all reflected in
HIGHER PRICES of goods and services!, ...and being
responsible for much of the OUT-SOURCING!
========= enviro Class (2) -- the Green turd(s):
... are the ones who are recipients and beneficiaries from
the lootings of (1), directly or indirectly.
========= enviro Class (3) -- the Little green idiot(s):
.. are the unpaid, well-meaning ones, in "environmental
groups" who think they do something for the "environment",
when in fact they are only the enablers and facilitators for
(2) who are harvesting the green $$$ that (1) has extorted.
A lot of class 1 & 2 enviros are calling themselves no
longer "environmentalists" but *"conservationists"* now,.
such as foundations, corporats, lawyers, celebs & RICH fat
cats who are conserving those lands for future generations:
Their OWN descendants only, of course, while all the little
green idiots do the hard and dirty work for them & pay!
Make no mistake, Greenism crosses all political party lines.
Some of the biggest class 2 enviros are from the far Right
---------- Views after 40 years of green criminality --------
=1= In June 05 USDA/FDA aired/published that they will
no longer endorse green products that are labeled "organic"!
=2= The FBI and Homeland Security/DHS has declared
enviros to be the number one terrorist threat to the nation.
=3= Myriads of good, rational & HARD WORKING folks had
enough from environmentalism and began to raise their voices
as did E. Gisin in news:d8j4d...@enews1.newsguy.com...
wherein it sounds like this: "Fucking greens should be shot...."
...and as an encore do never forget that
= Pure politics is driving dozens of public health issues, notably
= global warming, green shit, tobacco & meds now. Great lies
= in service for/of a "noble cause" do trump now truth & fact.
=
= Enviros use the same great lies of yore. Only the color changed.
= (A) Environmentalism is Communism in Green...
= (B) Environmentalism is Nazism in Green...
= (C) Environmentalism makes the Poor poorer and the Rich richer.
Environmentalism is nothing but green pornography,
pimped by green orgs like NRDC, Sierra club, Green Piss, etc.,
whored and hookered by green bureaucrats from EPA down,
johned, pole- and lapdanced by the hordes of little green idiots
and paid for by extorting the money from hardworking taxpayers.
Environmentalism is a malignant, parasitic socio-pathology,
promulgated by opportunistic ex-communists and misogynic,
unemployable perverts, who have succeeded in generating
enviro taxes, permit fees and user surcharges, from which these
useless, enviro-pushers and eco-fanatics draw their welfare checks
and demand grants to generate more enviro shit.
ahahahaha... BTW, do copy and use these above clarifications
often and profusely. There is no permit charge or user fee
associated with it. and nobody will accuse you of plagiarism.
It's a free public service announcement... Use it. Have fun!
ahahahaha... ahahahanson
---------------- ahahahaha.... AHAHAHAHA... ------------------
Literature:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/7e7b9659fa4e9ac2
which contains
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/99f7f428c2679097
*** Environmentalism "makes the richer richer and the poor poorer!" ***
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/0c5caf9f52ae3af2
----- Lion Kuntz' remarkable TURD COUNTING obsession ----
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/416740b68f8479ae
----- Lion Kuntz wants me to put a collar on him & says "Awe Shit"------
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/e649aabd66ef1bff
----- my dog "Awe Shit" aka Leon Kuntz confuses Exxon with Enron ----
---------------- ahahahaha.... AHAHAHAHA... ------------------
Every time I call Hanson, you come on my order and show the people
your little shit-flinging trick where you throw Exxon's Brown Turds at
the Greenies.
That's the Hanson Monkey Dance...
.... it's about wealth-shifting: Exxon shifts YOUR Wealth to Exxon,
Yes, we got it!
http://ScienceCop.info/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=TheSunBetrayed
http://sciencecop.info/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=TheCarbonWar
http://sciencecop.info/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=Cartel+Solar+Patents
http://www.ucsusa.org/news/press_release/ExxonMobil-GlobalWarming-tob...
Dance Little Monkey, Dance.
Every time I call Hanson, you come on my order and show the people
your little shit-flinging trick where you throw Exxon's Brown Turds at
the Greenies.
That's the Hanson Monkey Dance...
.... it's about wealth-shifting: Exxon shifts YOUR Wealth to Exxon,
Yes, we got it!
http://ScienceCop.info/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=TheSunBetrayed
http://sciencecop.info/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=TheCarbonWar
http://sciencecop.info/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=Cartel+Solar+Patents
http://www.ucsusa.org/news/press_release/ExxonMobil-GlobalWarming-tob...
----- The green Bible & its enviro Theology says: -------
----- The green Bible & its enviro Theology says: -------
> http://Hanson-Turd.Exxon-Turds.info-- Hanson has a new website,
> hahahaha, Thanks for the laughs.
> Google Exxon Turds and HawHawHaw Hanson Comes up on top, synonym for
> Exxon Turds
> Results 1 - 100 of about 85,800 for Exxon Turds.
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?qt_s=1&q=Exxon+Turds
groups.google Results 1 - 100 of 500 for Exxon Turds
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/fc440e04ce91...
Google EXXON TURDS and Haha Hanson comes up on top. Hanson is
synonymous with EXXON BROWN TURDS
Exxon = Brown Turds. Green Turds no-good, says Hanson, only Brown
Turds Exxon is good. TURDS HANSON smears EXXON brandname with BROWN
TURDS. Everybody now automatically thinks "Brown Turds" because Hanson
made Exxon counterpoint to "Green Turds". The name EXXON pops the
ASSociation of BROWN TURDS INTO MIND because Hanson has skillfully
destroyed dozens of millions of dollars of BROWN TURDS EXXON PR
campaigns by linking EXXON to his BROWN TURDS SMEARS.
Very Clever, HANSON, Thanks for the laughs. Hahahahaha
hahaHahahahahah ahaHahahahaha hahaHaha hahahahaha Hahahahahaha
haHahaha hahahaha Hahahahaha hahaHah ahahaha hahaH ahahahaha
hahaHahaha hahahaha
Exxon Turds Hanson Turds Exxon-Hanson Turds Turds-Hanson Exxon-Turds
Hahaha-Turds-Exxon Exxon Turds Hanson Turds Exxon-Hanson Turds Turds-
Hanson Exxon-Turds Hahaha-Turds-Exxon Exxon Turds Hanson Turds Exxon-
Hanson Turds Turds-Hanson Exxon-Turds Hahaha-Turds-Exxon Exxon Turds
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Turds Hahaha-Turds-Exxon Exxon Turds Hanson Turds Exxon-Hanson Turds
Turds-Hanson Exxon-Turds Hahaha-Turds-Exxon Exxon Turds Hanson Turds
Exxon-Hanson Turds Turds-Hanson Exxon-Turds Hahaha-Turds-Exxon Exxon
Turds Hanson Turds Exxon-Hanson Turds Turds-Hanson Exxon-Turds Hahaha-
Turds-Exxon Exxon Turds Hanson Turds Exxon-Hanson Turds Turds-Hanson
Exxon-Turds Hahaha-Turds-Exxon Exxon Turds Hanson Turds Exxon-Hanson
Turds Turds-Hanson Exxon-Turds Hahaha-Turds-Exxon Exxon Turds Hanson
Turds Exxon-Hanson Turds Turds-Hanson Exxon-Turds Hahaha-Turds-Exxon
Exxon Turds Hanson Turds Exxon-Hanson Turds Turds-Hanson Exxon-Turds
Hahaha-Turds-Exxon Exxon Turds Hanson Turds Exxon-Hanson Turds Turds-
Hanson Exxon-Turds Hahaha-Turds-Exxon
AHAHAHAHA... so you went thru all this hard labor to make a website
in my and Exxon's honor.... ahahahaha... But Leon, you are slaking!...
There are not even a thousand turds of yours that you have laid below
and into your splendid website, "Awe Shit". You are fucking lazy!!!...
which is why you, Lion "Awe Shit", are a pauper on welfare... ahahaha.
Get on Exxon's Dividend program instead and make some easy $$$
for yourself instead of you producing Turd after Turd & saying "Awe Shit".
But, Leon, thanks for the laughs and for being such a devoted fan
of Exxon and myself ... AND for being a poster boy for the Enviros!
ahahahaha... ahahahanson
>
---- "Awe Shit's" self-praise & talking to himself onto his Website ----
>
Lion Kuntz aka "Awe Shit " aka "Hydrogen FREEDOM"
aka <Hydroge...@HydrogenFREEDOM.info> wrote in message
news:1171500489....@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> Lion Kuntz aka Fecal.Fascination.Han...@Exxon-Turds.info wrote:
>http://Hanson-Turd.Exxon-Turds.info-- Hanson has a new website,
> hahahaha, Thanks for the laughs.
> Google Exxon Turds and HawHawHaw Hanson Comes up on top, synonym
> for Exxon Turds ::: Results 1 - 100 of about 85,800 for Exxon Turds.
> http://groups.google.com/groups/search?qt_s=1&q=Exxon+Turds
>
[hanson]
ahahaha... But "Awe Shit", go have another look, in 2nd/3rd place
Mr Ed reports that Exxon has made $$$ RECORD PROFITS $$$.
*** So, Exxon and me has the money and you have your turds! ****
& you can say "Awe shit". That's very good environmental thinking!
ahahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA...
>
["Awe Shit"]
> groups.google Results 1 - 100 of 500 for Exxon Turds>
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/fc440e04ce911aaf
> Google EXXON TURDS and Haha Hanson comes up on top.
>
[hanson]
ahahahahahaha.. But Lion, all you did here is to show the link to
what you have posted below, you crying over and over again:
******* "Hanson, I am drowning in my own Turds" ********
Listen, "Awe Shit", here is the life-saver for your desperate situation:
It is, like I have told you day after day:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/20543afd0304b3f3
----- wherein The green Bible & its enviro Theology says: -------
= "It doesn't matter what is true ... it only matters what people
= believe is true. -- Paul Watson, Sea Shepard/ex-Greenpeace, &...
= "A lot of environmental [sci/soc/pol] messages are simply not
= accurate. We use hype." -- Jerry Franklin, Ecologist, UoW, and...
= "We make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little
= mention of any doubts we may have [about] being honest."
= -- Stephen Schneider (Stanford prof. who first sought fame as
= a global cooler, but has now hit the big time as a global warmer)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/msg/20543afd0304b3f3
>
---- "Awe Shit" continues to lay his own Turds onto himself ----
>
["Awe Shit"]
[hanson]
ahahaha... But Leon, you are slaking!... These are not even a thousand
turds of yours that you have laid. You are lazy!!!... which is why you are
a pauper on welfare... ahaha... Get on Exxon's Dividend program & make
some $$, instead of you producing Turd after Turd and saying "Awe Shit".
Thanks for the laughs, Leon.... ahahahaha.... ahahahahanson
> ["Awe Shit"]
Satellite ?
> That the world is round
> is an accepted fact. The material you are talking
> about was settled in the 19th century.
That is just plain wrong. The Greenhouse effect (as it now known) was
not theorised until the 1970s.
> Radiative
> forcing of climate is an accepted fact.
Cite ?
Originally GW scientists claimed that CO2 caused global warming. Then
others said there wasn't enough. They said they were lying. Then the
PROVED there wasn't enough.
After calling them names for several years they came up with this
nonsense called "radiative forcing" - a term which means nothing, as
there is no 'radiation' and no 'forcing' involved, the theory is just
a simple loop based on CO2 increasing water, increasing temp. and so
on.
The fact that such pseudo-scientific garbage like this is being used
by climate "scientists" exposes the reality of their substance.
> No
> professional scientist would waste his or her time
> on the billionth replication of this century-old work.
Or any other "century old work" like that of Planck, Gauss or Newton ?
> No one is about to fund research into what science
> has moved on from decades ago, either. Outside of
> school classrooms and science fairs, you will not
> find any modern verifications of such basic material.
> (My son's science fair work would qualify, but that
> is way too far over your head.)
Cite ?
We haven't established scientifically that if we subject you to a 100% CO2
atmosphere you won't be happier than you are today.
Would you care to conduct the experiment? I'll bring the CO2.
The outcome of course is equally certain. But if you are in doubt then
you should try.... Or are you a coward?
<claudi...@sbcglobal.net> wrote
> the fact is that there have been no attempts to falsify the conjecture
> (hypothesis) that increased CO2 does or does not have any effect on
> global mean temperature.
Well actually there have been multiple attempts and all have failed to
falsify the conjecture of course. The main obvious support for the
conjecture is the fact that the earth isn't a frozen iceball and that Venus
has a surface hot enough to melt lead, and mars has a surface temperature
that can get above the freezing point of water on warm days.
To the scientifically literate, other tests include the observation of the
absorption/emission spectra of CO2, the direct measurement of the IR opacity
of the atmosphere and the fundamental principles of radiative physics.
Now on what basis do you support your profound ignorance?
Fuck Off you lying piece of shit.
A hundred years ago, Swedish scientist Svante Arrhenius asked the important
question "Is the mean temperature of the ground in any way influenced by the
presence of the heat-absorbing gases in the atmosphere?" He went on to
become the first person to investigate the effect that doubling atmospheric
carbon dioxide would have on global climate. The question was debated
throughout the early part of the 20th century and is still a main concern of
Earth scientists today.
> > Radiative
> > forcing of climate is an accepted fact.
person" <dsew...@hotmail.com> wrote
> Cite ?
Eminent Scientists Warn of Disastrous, Permanent Global Warming
SAN FRANCISCO, California, February 19, 2007 (ENS) - The leaders of
the world's largest general scientific society issued an imperative climate
change warning Sunday. "The atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide, a
critical greenhouse gas, is higher than it has been for at least 650,000
years. The average temperature of the Earth is heading for levels not
experienced for millions of years."
person" <dsew...@hotmail.com> wrote
> Originally GW scientists claimed that CO2 caused global warming. Then
> others said there wasn't enough. They said they were lying. Then the
> PROVED there wasn't enough.
Ignorance.
person" <dsew...@hotmail.com> wrote
> After calling them names for several years they came up with this
> nonsense called "radiative forcing" - a term which means nothing, as
> there is no 'radiation' and no 'forcing' involved,
Ignorance. Radiation is the scientific term for light in this context you
fucking ignorant Moron.
person" <dsew...@hotmail.com> wrote
> the theory is just a simple loop based on CO2 increasing water, increasing
temp. and so
> on.
Wrong again. CO2 doesn't increase water temperature. Doing that requires
an input of energy. Where does the energy for the warming come from? From
the Radiation that you claimed doesn't exist.
You stupid, fucking, ignorant Moron..
person" <dsew...@hotmail.com> wrote
> The fact that such pseudo-scientific garbage like this is being used
> by climate "scientists" exposes the reality of their substance.
The fact that you are capable of feeding yourself astonishes me.
> > No
> > professional scientist would waste his or her time
> > on the billionth replication of this century-old work.
person" <dsew...@hotmail.com> wrote
> Or any other "century old work" like that of Planck, Gauss or Newton ?
Newton lived 300 years ago you fucking ignorant Moron.
Steering atoms toward better navigation, physicists test Newton and Einstein
along the way
http://www.innovations-report.de/html/berichte/physik_astronomie/bericht-79185.html
If that is all you are capable of comprehending then that will have to do.
The technically competent and scientifically literate among us have no
need for your ignorance of adherence to magical thinking.
>Even the president of Shell Oil says "98% of scientists" accept this.
>Guess your payoffs are about to end!
Gosh, Lloyd now agrees with Shell Oil? Oh, that's right, it isn't an
issue whether the statement is correct, it is only a matter of whether
it agrees with Parker's political agenda or not...
Retief
I have to Laugh at the implication of Retief's comment, that being, he
expects the head of Shell Oil to never, ever say anything that is true.
Sadly, liars and fools like Retief all too often just assume that others
are as deceitful and ignorant as they are, when in fact this is seldom the
case.
What do the consensus of scientists say about this issue?
The conclusions in this statement reflect the scientific
consensus represented by, for example, the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and the joint
National Academies' statement.
For more information, see the AAAS Global Climate-Change
Resources page.
American Association for the Advancement of Science
AAAS Board Releases New Statement on Climate Change
---------------------------------------------------
- 18 February 2007 -
The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change
caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a
growing threat to society. Accumulating data from across
the globe reveal a wide array of effects: rapidly
melting glaciers, destabilization of major ice sheets,
increases in extreme weather, rising sea level, shifts
in species ranges, and more. The pace of change and the
evidence of harm have increased markedly over the last
five years. The time to control greenhouse gas emissions
is now.
The atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide, a
critical greenhouse gas, is higher than it has been for
at least 650,000 years. The average temperature of the
Earth is heading for levels not experienced for millions
of years. Scientific predictions of the impacts of
increasing atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse
gases from fossil fuels and deforestation match observed
changes. As expected, intensification of droughts, heat
waves, floods, wildfires, and severe storms is
occurring, with a mounting toll on vulnerable ecosystems
and societies. These events are early warning signs of
even more devastating damage to come, some of which will
be irreversible.
Delaying action to address climate change will increase
the environmental and societal consequences as well as
the costs. The longer we wait to tackle climate change,
the harder and more expensive the task will be.
History provides many examples of society confronting
grave threats by mobilizing knowledge and promoting
innovation. We need an aggressive research, development
and deployment effort to transform the existing and
future energy systems of the world away from
technologies that emit greenhouse gases. Developing
clean energy technologies will provide economic
opportunities and ensure future energy supplies.
In addition to rapidly reducing greenhouse gas
emissions, it is essential that we develop strategies to
adapt to ongoing changes and make communities more
resilient to future changes.
The growing torrent of information presents a clear
message: we are already experiencing global climate
change. It is time to muster the political will for
concerted action. Stronger leadership at all levels is
needed. The time is now. We must rise to the challenge.
We owe this to future generations.
--
The American Association for the Advancement of Science,
"Triple A-S" (AAAS), is an international non-profit organization dedicated
to advancing science around the world by serving as an educator, leader,
spokesperson and professional association. In addition to organizing
membership activities, AAAS publishes the journal Science, as well as many
scientific newsletters, books and reports, and spearheads programs that
raise the bar of understanding for science worldwide.
>"Retief" <nos...@invalid.invalid> wrote
>> Gosh, Lloyd now agrees with Shell Oil? Oh, that's right, it isn't an
>> issue whether the statement is correct, it is only a matter of whether
>> it agrees with Parker's political agenda or not...
>
> I have to Laugh at the implication of Retief's comment, that being, he
>expects the head of Shell Oil to never, ever say anything that is true.
Laugh all you want, since the implication is that you, Lloyd and a
number of others only agree with individuals if their OPINION agrees
with your religion.
If Shell Oil said that there was no evidence of AGW, you would claim
"what do you expect from the oil industry" instead. It wouldn't
matter if there was research to support the stance or not, only that
they agree with your purely political view.
So, what facts did the head of Shell Oil present? I don't believe
that I've seen his research proving AGW.
> Sadly, liars and fools like Retief all too often just assume that others
>are as deceitful and ignorant as they are, when in fact this is seldom the
>case.
>
> What do the consensus of scientists say about this issue?
There is no consensus.
So Scott, how does one get to contribute to the IPCC report? Several
of the scientists I know think that it's by invitation only (i.e. you
stack the deck to produce "science" compatible with the preferred
political view).
>We owe this to future generations.
Oh, you forgot to say "we must do it to save the children"...
Retief
And laugh I do, at your profound ignorance. You really are a moron's
moron.
One rule I learned early on in life is to evaluate my sources. And one of
the principle rules of that evaluation is that if someone says something
that is damaging to themselves, or puts them at a disadvantage then what
they have said is probably true.
On the other hand if someone says something complementary about
themselves, or something that will enhance their position, or ideology, then
what they have said is suspect, and presumed to be most probably false
without further evidence.
You Retief have over and over again been exposed as a liar. You don't
rate very high on the credibility scale. But if you were to admit that you
screw horses, I would still give it a high probability of being true. When
on the other hand you follow it up with the statement that your cock is too
small to screw a horse, then I still believe you.
"Retief" <nos...@invalid.invalid> wrote
> If Shell Oil said that there was no evidence of AGW, you would claim
> "what do you expect from the oil industry" instead.
Yes, since it is in their interest to lie - as you do.
"Retief" <nos...@invalid.invalid> wrote
> There is no consensus.
You are a liar.
"Retief" <nos...@invalid.invalid> wrote
> So Scott, how does one get to contribute to the IPCC report?
The IPCC report is a meta study of existing science as reported in the
scientific literature.
To be included in the meta study you must be a scientist who manages to
publish a related article in a peer review journal.
Right now you are a Scientifically Illiterate moron, who is regularly
caught lying.
I don't give you much chance of ever getting past peer review.
"Retief" <nos...@invalid.invalid> wrote
> Several of the scientists I know think that it's by invitation only.
They can't get published either ay? Tell them to stop producing claptrap.
> On the other hand if someone says something complementary about
>themselves, or something that will enhance their position, or ideology, then
>what they have said is suspect, and presumed to be most probably false
>without further evidence.
Ah, so we can evaluate Scott Nudds (aka Vista, Vendicar and other
nyms) by this method. So when Scott Nudds claimed that his IQ was
exceptionally high, we may safely conclude quite the opposite.
And further, since Scott Nudds has publicly stated that he desires to
murder the President of the United States, destroy America, and
undertake other such belligerent actions, we can assume that his
active pro-AGW stance is an attempt to promote political policies that
result in that end, rather than any sort of humanitarian goal.
Retief
Retief promotes Mass Murder For Oil, Mass Murder Through Weather
Chaos. What's the difference betwixt the two?
> Retief promotes Mass Murder For Oil, Mass Murder Through Weather
> Chaos. What's the difference betwixt the two?
Ask yo' momma, snott pudds.
He'll give you the answer you're looking for.
Bawana Sucking Exxon's Banana happens every day. Bawana reveals he is
a MOONIE ACTIVIST!
"VistaJustWorks" <BushIsA...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On the other hand if someone says something complementary about
>>themselves, or something that will enhance their position, or ideology,
>>then
>>what they have said is suspect, and presumed to be most probably false
>>without further evidence.
"Retief" <nos...@invalid.invalid> wrote
> Ah, so we can evaluate Scott Nudds (aka Vista, Vendicar and other
> nyms) by this method. So when Scott Nudds claimed that his IQ was
> exceptionally high, we may safely conclude quite the opposite.
Exceptionally high for you maybe. But there are lots of people in the
University setting and even a couple outside that I know who most probably
have somewhat higher IQ's than I, and vastly higher IQ's than you with your
lead poisoned AmeriKKKan brain.
But that's hardly shocking.
"Retief" <nos...@invalid.invalid> wrote
> And further, since Scott Nudds has publicly stated that he desires to
> murder the President of the United States
Nope, never said such a thing. What I have said is that the AmeriKKKan
president should be tried, convicted and executed for war crimes, and that I
would gladly provide the rope or hangmans service if requested.
I have also said that the AmeriKKKan people are complicit and therefore
culpable in the crimes of the Fascist Bush regime as long as they remain
complacient to the crimes of the Fascist Bush regime.
"Retief" <nos...@invalid.invalid> wrote
> destroy America, and undertake other such belligerent actions,
The AmeriKKKan public is ultimately responsible for the criminal actions of
the government they elect. The AmeriKKKan people are therefore guilty of
the commission of war crimes.
The punishment - the Eradication of the AmeriKKKan state.
3 more AmeriKKKans died in Iraq today.
Pure joy.
>> Ah, so we can evaluate Scott Nudds (aka Vista, Vendicar and other
>> nyms) by this method. So when Scott Nudds claimed that his IQ was
>> exceptionally high, we may safely conclude quite the opposite.
>
> Exceptionally high for you maybe. But there are lots of people in the
>University setting and even a couple outside that I know who most probably
>have somewhat higher IQ's than I, and vastly higher IQ's than you with your
>lead poisoned AmeriKKKan brain.
Bwhahaha... Let us recap for the reader. Scott Nudds (aka
"Vendicar") has asserted that his IQ is 180. IQs above 174 are
reported to occur with a frequency of about 1 in 1,000,000.
So the reader should ask himself, after reading Nudd's posts, do you
believe that Scott demonstrates a 1 in a million intelligence? Does
the level of his logic and critical thought lead you to believe that
you can trust him, and/or that his arguments are credible.
> But that's hardly shocking.
What is shocking is how you can make such a bald faced lie, with such
a straight face... But self-deception (especially with regards to
intelligence) is a recognized phenomena...
But feel free to continue demonstrating your "superior intelligence"
with more of your usual insults...
Retief
Ya, something like that.
"Retief" <nos...@invalid.invalid> wrote
> What is shocking is how you can make such a bald faced lie, with such
> a straight face...
No lie, and if you could see my face, it isn't bald.
So you have committed three mistakes in a single sentence. Shocking but
not a record for you.
"Retief" <nos...@invalid.invalid> wrote
> But self-deception (especially with regards to intelligence) is a
> recognized
> phenomena...
Self deception is the basis of AmeriKKKan society.
"Retief" <nos...@invalid.invalid> wrote
> But feel free to continue demonstrating your "superior intelligence"
> with more of your usual insults...
What insults you Fucking Moron?
>> Bwhahaha... Let us recap for the reader. Scott Nudds (aka
>> "Vendicar") has asserted that his IQ is 180. IQs above 174 are
>> reported to occur with a frequency of about 1 in 1,000,000.
>
> Ya, something like that.
No Nudds, it is quite obviously nothing like that...
>> What is shocking is how you can make such a bald faced lie, with such
>> a straight face...
>
> No lie, and if you could see my face, it isn't bald.
Perhaps you should do something about that acne, child.
>> But feel free to continue demonstrating your "superior intelligence"
>> with more of your usual insults...
>
> What insults you Fucking Moron?
And again Scott Nudds' vast ignorance speaks for itself.
Retief
Study Finds 33% in D.C. Illiterate, 20% of Americans Illiterate
Mar 19 11:50 AM US/Eastern
WASHINGTON (AP) - About one-third of the people living in the national's
capital are functionally illiterate, compared with about one-fifth
nationally, according to a report on the District of Columbia.
Adults are considered functionally illiterate if they have trouble doing
such things as comprehending bus schedules, reading maps and filling out job
applications.
The study by the State Education Agency, a quasi-governmental office created
by the U.S. Department of Education to distribute federal funds for literacy
services, was ordered by Mayor Anthony A. Williams in 2003 as part of his
four-year, $4 million adult literacy initiative.
...
The District of Columbia Chamber of Commerce, which contributed to the
report, said the city lost up to $107 million in taxes annually between 2000
and 2005 because of a lack of qualified job applicants.
> On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:54:50 -0800, "Vendicar Decarian"
> <BushIsA...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Bwhahaha... Let us recap for the reader. Scott Nudds (aka "Vendicar")
>>> has asserted that his IQ is 180. IQs above 174 are reported to occur
>>> with a frequency of about 1 in 1,000,000.
>>
>> Ya, something like that.
>
> No Nudds, it is quite obviously nothing like that...
He's measuring in Fahrenheit. When you convert it back to Celsius, it's
more plausible.
IQ isn't measured in Farenheight or Celsius
Stupid... Stupid.. Ward.
Wired News: Bush Ripped on Global WarmingNote
By Luke O'Brien| Also by this reporter
15:00 PM Feb, 07, 2007
WASHINGTON -- Congress continued to probe allegations Wednesday that the
Bush
administration tried to muzzle government scientists on climate change and
suppress scientific research, including a comprehensive report in 2000 on
global
warming's impact on the United States.
During a Senate Commerce Committee hearing, both Democratic and Republican
lawmakers weighed in with harsh words for an administration that has come
under
fire in the 110th Congress for its stance on climate change.
"One incidence of political tampering with science is too many," said Sen.
Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii), the committee chairman, referring to a survey
released
last week by two advocacy groups that showed widespread political
interference
in research related to global warming.
"For years we have been frustrated by the lack of recognition and
cooperation on
the part of the administration on addressing this issue," said Sen. John
McCain
(R-Arizona).
Sen. John Kerry (D-Massachusetts) blasted the alleged political meddling,
calling it "George Orwell at its best."
At the hearing, several witnesses testified that they had experienced or
seen
political interference by the Bush administration in climate-change science.
Witnesses said press officers at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric
Administration and other agencies had manipulated or obstructed media
interviews
with government scientists. Witnesses also said that important research on
global warming had been downplayed, edited or suppressed by a system of
"minders" and "gatekeepers."
Rick Piltz, the director of the climate science watch program at watchdog
group
the Government Accountability Project, said the Bush administration
effectively
quashed official use of the 2000 National Assessment report on global
warming in
the United States.
According to Piltz, who worked for White House climate-change programs from
1995
to 2005, the report remains "the most comprehensive, scientifically based
assessment of the potential consequences of climate change for the United
States." In his written statement, he called the suppression of the report
"the
central climate science scandal of the (Bush) administration."
Other witnesses testified that agency flacks had hindered their ability to
inform the public about their research. In his written statement to the
committee, Tom Knutson, a meteorologist and hurricane expert at NOAA,
detailed
several instances in which his media interviews were mysteriously canceled
or
language in his presentations was changed.
Internal NOAA e-mails (.pdf) obtained by a Freedom of Information Act
request
last year suggest a plan to keep Knutson from discussing any evidence
connecting
global warming to stronger hurricanes.
James Mahoney, a deputy administrator of NOAA from 2002 to 2006, also said
he
had seen scientists discouraged from talking to the media during his time at
the
agency. Other witnesses bemoaned cuts in areas of funding at NOAA and NASA
that
would reduce the number of satellites and Earth-observing instruments in
space
by 35 percent by 2010, making it harder to study climate change and predict
natural disasters.
The committee hoped to hear from representatives from the U.S. Office of
Science
and Technology Policy, which advises the White House on science issues, but
none
showed up, leaving William Brennan, acting director of the U.S. Climate
Change
Science Program, to defend the administration.
Kerry saved his most withering comments for Brennan, expressing outrage over
the
amount of progress on climate change achieved by Brennan's program, which
seeks
to integrate research on climate change from 13 federal agencies.
"I think this is the most serious dereliction of public responsibility that
I've
ever seen," Kerry said. "This is a disgrace. You're turning your backs on
future
generations in this country and potentially inviting a global catastrophe."
Brennan said his group would soon be releasing 21 reports covering a range
of
key issues related to climate change that would help inform policy. A
comparison
of the research schedule released by the Climate Change Science Program in
July
2003 and a current status summary of the research reveals that the program
has
failed to meet its deadlines or is behind schedule on 20 of the 21 reports.