Re: Democrat reveal plan. Tax more spend more
John Smith
> ...
> What is wrong with this country?
There are only two possible answers I can think of:
1) The worst imbecilic-idiot-morons in government are honestly
attempting correct fixes and a return to a decent America.
-- or --
2) The government is tightly controlled by a shadow government criminal
element and this is exactly their plan, to weaken and gain absolute
police state control over all American citizens.
But then, the solution to both is the same, imprison or hang either the
imbecilic-idiot-morons or imprison the crooks!
Regards,
JS
RHF
JS -please- This is not simply the
"Democrat reveal plan. Tax more spend more"
-it's- Democrats Reveal New & Improved Plan :
More New Taxes and More Improved Spending !
-the-'more'-'more'-plan-
* Democrats Promise You More New & Improved
Taxes {We Are The Wiser Taxers}
* Democrats Promise You More New & Improved
Spending {We Are The Wiser Spenders}
-remember- You Can Trust Us 'Democrats' To
Tax You More & Spend More of Your Tax Money
-we-have-a-proven-history-of-doing-just-that-
and that is the way 'i' see it ~ RHF
-vote-yes-on-no- -check-none-of-the-above-
.
.
Sid9
"RHF" <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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Yes we need some taxes, America being a low tax nation
1. We need the bush,jr tax. This tax remains in force until bush,jr's
unfunded wars are paid for.
2. We need to rescind the bush, jr tax cuts that have crippled our
government.
3. We need to tax dividends, interest, and capital gains at the same rate as
money earned by working.
Scout
"Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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What a great idea, then we could be more like Italy and Turkey.
cuh...@webtv.net
deepdudu
Cutting taxes on the wealthy has NEVER stimulated the economy. Taxing
the hell out of them and putting the money directly into the economy
will. We should go to a top rate of 98% and cut all tax loopholes
and tax interest, dividend, and capital gains exactlyt he same as
wages.
JohnJohnsn
>
> "RHF" <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
Government & the Great Lie
"I'm from the government, and I'm here to help you."
>> and that is the way 'i' see it ~ RHF
>> -vote-yes-on-no- -check-none-of-the-above-
> Yes we need some taxes, America being a low tax nation
>
> 1. We need the bush,jr tax. This tax remains in force until
> bush,jr's unfunded wars are paid for.
What about Obama's "unfunded Libya war"?
> 2. We need to rescind the bush, jr tax cuts that have crippled
> our government.
Eleventh Law of Leftist Debate:
It's Bush's fault.
> 3. We need to tax dividends, interest, and capital gains at the
> same rate as money earned by working.
In the United States, individuals and corporations pay income tax on
the net total of all their capital gains just as they do on other
sorts of income. Capital gains are generally taxed at a preferential
rate in comparison to ordinary income
(26 U.S.C. §1(h)).
Capital Gains Taxation in the United States from 2003 forward
Tax Rates:
2003-2012
Ordinary Income
Tax Rate: 35%
Short-term Capital
Gains Tax Rate: 35%
Long-term Capital
Gains Tax Rate: 15%
2013 —
Ordinary Income
Tax Rate: 39.6%
Short-term Capital
Gains Tax Rate: 39.6%
Long-term Capital
Gains Tax Rate: 20%
The reduced 15% tax rate on qualified dividends and long term capital
gains, previously scheduled to expire in 2008, was extended through
2010 as a result of the Tax Reconciliation Act signed into law by
President George W. Bush on May 17, 2006. This was extended through
2012 by President Barack Obama on Dec 17, 2010.
[Guess who was in power in the Congress _/and/_ the Presidency when
the extension was passed in 2010: that's right; the DEMOCRATS!]
The United States is UNLIKE OTHER COUNTRIES in that its citizens are
subject to U.S. tax regardless of where in the world they reside. U.S.
citizens therefore find it difficult to take advantage of personal tax
havens. U.S. law requires reporting of income from those accounts and
failure to do so constitutes tax evasion. [EMPHASIS added]
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_gains_tax_in_the_United_States
Peter Franks
> On Sat, 28 May 2011 10:13:56 -0400, "Scout"
> <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
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>> "Sid9"<sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:irqv9f$geo$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>> "RHF"<rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>>> news:6684194d-4ffb-4ee8...@z15g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On May 27, 3:01 pm, John Smith<win.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 5/27/2011 2:53 PM, Peter Franks wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> What is wrong with this country?
>>>>>
>>>>> There are only two possible answers I can think of:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) The worst imbecilic-idiot-morons in government are honestly
>>>>> attempting correct fixes and a return to a decent America.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- or --
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) The government is tightly controlled by a shadow government criminal
>>>>> element and this is exactly their plan, to weaken and gain absolute
>>>>> police state control over all American citizens.
>>>>>
>>>>> But then, the solution to both is the same, imprison or hang either the
>>>>> imbecilic-idiot-morons or imprison the crooks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> JS
>>>>
>>>> JS -please- This is not simply the
>>>> "Democrat reveal plan. Tax more spend more"
>>>>
>>>> More New Taxes and More Improved Spending !
>>>> -the-'more'-'more'-plan-
>>>> Taxes {We Are The Wiser Taxers}
>>>> Spending {We Are The Wiser Spenders}
>>>>
>>>> -remember- You Can Trust Us 'Democrats' To
>>>> -we-have-a-proven-history-of-doing-just-that-
>>>>
>>>> and that is the way 'i' see it ~ RHF
>>>> -vote-yes-on-no- -check-none-of-the-above-
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>
>>> Yes we need some taxes, America being a low tax nation
>>
>> What a great idea, then we could be more like Italy and Turkey.
>>
>
> Cutting taxes on the wealthy has NEVER stimulated the economy. Taxing
> the hell out of them and putting the money directly into the economy
> will. We should go to a top rate of 98% and cut all tax loopholes
> and tax interest, dividend, and capital gains exactlyt he same as
> wages.
Why should the wealthy pay more than their fair share?
deepdudu
wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> Yes we need some taxes, America being a low tax nation
>>>
>>> What a great idea, then we could be more like Italy and Turkey.
>>>
>>
>> Cutting taxes on the wealthy has NEVER stimulated the economy. Taxing
>> the hell out of them and putting the money directly into the economy
>> will. We should go to a top rate of 98% and cut all tax loopholes
>> and tax interest, dividend, and capital gains exactlyt he same as
>> wages.
>
>Why should the wealthy pay more than their fair share?
They aren't. Notice what it was for years after WWII when our economy
was booming. Now look where it is. Does it seem to you that cutting
taxes on the wealthy has stimulated the economy? Find someone to
explain the numbers and squiggly lines to you.
John Smith
> ...
> JS -please- This is not simply the
> "Democrat reveal plan. Tax more spend more"
> ...
As I have stated, and many times before this:
democans = republicrats.
If anyone thinks,that the change of party means any anything they are
morons. Some shadow government is in control, it is with them the true
battle will begin.
While trashing, dumping, ridding ourselves of their puppets is good, we
need to hang the puppet masters along side of their puppets ...
Regards,
JS
Sid9
"John Smith" <win....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Another apologist for what the Republicans have done to our country!
John Smith
> <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Sid9"<sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:irqv9f$geo$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>> "RHF"<rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>>> news:6684194d-4ffb-4ee8...@z15g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On May 27, 3:01 pm, John Smith<win.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 5/27/2011 2:53 PM, Peter Franks wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> What is wrong with this country?
>>>>>
>>>>> There are only two possible answers I can think of:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) The worst imbecilic-idiot-morons in government are honestly
>>>>> attempting correct fixes and a return to a decent America.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- or --
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) The government is tightly controlled by a shadow government criminal
>>>>> element and this is exactly their plan, to weaken and gain absolute
>>>>> police state control over all American citizens.
>>>>>
>>>>> But then, the solution to both is the same, imprison or hang either the
>>>>> imbecilic-idiot-morons or imprison the crooks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> JS
>>>>
>>>> JS -please- This is not simply the
>>>> "Democrat reveal plan. Tax more spend more"
>>>>
>>>> More New Taxes and More Improved Spending !
>>>> -the-'more'-'more'-plan-
>>>> Taxes {We Are The Wiser Taxers}
>>>> Spending {We Are The Wiser Spenders}
>>>>
>>>> -remember- You Can Trust Us 'Democrats' To
>>>> -we-have-a-proven-history-of-doing-just-that-
>>>>
>>>> and that is the way 'i' see it ~ RHF
>>>> -vote-yes-on-no- -check-none-of-the-above-
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>
>>> Yes we need some taxes, America being a low tax nation
>>
>> What a great idea, then we could be more like Italy and Turkey.
>>
>
> Cutting taxes on the wealthy has NEVER stimulated the economy. Taxing
> the hell out of them and putting the money directly into the economy
> will. We should go to a top rate of 98% and cut all tax loopholes
> and tax interest, dividend, and capital gains exactlyt he same as
> wages.
Allowing the vast majority of wealth to stand idle in the rich elites'
bank accounts drawing interest, or invested to generate them large
profits which they keep score of -- like some sort of sick game, has
never raised the standard of living nor produced a country you would
like to live in ...
Regards,
JS
John Smith
>> ...
>> Why should the wealthy pay more than their fair share?
>
> They aren't. Notice what it was for years after WWII when our economy
> was booming. Now look where it is. Does it seem to you that cutting
> taxes on the wealthy has stimulated the economy? Find someone to
> explain the numbers and squiggly lines to you.
Exactly.
The rest of us are are going to need "welfare" just to afford security
guards so we are not killed for what we have!
Starving ugly masses get mean, yanno'?
Regards,
JS
John Smith
Again, democans = republicrats.
At this time, there is NO difference between parties. They are both
composed of criminals having their strings pulled by rich elite puppet
masters.
Regards,
JS
RHF
> On 5/28/2011 7:54 AM, Deep Dudu wrote:
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> > On Sat, 28 May 2011 10:13:56 -0400, "Scout"
- Why should the wealthy pay more than their fair share?
We Are From The Government {We Are Backed
by Arms} and We Are Here To Help :o) ~ RHF
-for-every-irs-agent-there-are-10-soldiers-
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Sid9
The wealthy don't pay their fair share.
That's the problem.
Wealth is not taxed.
Interest is taxed at only 10% whereas, if your work for your money it can be
taxed as high as 33%
Raising their taxes will have them paying their fair share of the cost of
government
Benj
> The wealthy don't pay their fair share.
This is true, but you haven't a clue why it's true! You just buy the
standard saw that if there is a pile of money wsomewhere is OUGTH to
be stolen.
> That's the problem.
No. The problem is two fold. 1. taxation is not fairly done. 2. The
fox is running the hen house when it comes to spending taxes.
> Wealth is not taxed.
So your idea is that one must pay a yearly fee for the privilege of
keeping what you actually worked to earn. If you don't pay your "rent"
on your propery, it gets taken (stolen) from you. (See first rule)
> Interest is taxed at only 10% whereas, if your work for your money it can be
> taxed as high as 33%
There are two ideas here. One is that taxes should be fair. Say a
fixed percentage of income, sales price etc.. The other is that tax
rates can be manipulated to do social engineering. One can tax "needy"
people less and "undesirable" people more to induce behavior in
various directions. The problem is once again fairness. Who is setting
the rules? Usually "needy" means the friends of those making rules
and "undesirables" means enemies of those setting rules!
> Raising their taxes will have them paying their fair share of the cost of
> government
Why just raise taxes? Why not kill them all and take everything they
own to pay off the national debt? We are all pretty much getting away
from the rule of law anyway. I'm sure all the "poor" will be for this
plan.
RD Sandman
You really need to read what you post. Number 1 and 2 say just the
opposite things. ;)
> 3. We need to tax dividends, interest, and capital gains at the same
> rate as money earned by working.
>
>
--
Sleep well tonight....RD (The Sandman)
If you woke up this morning....
Don't complain.
RD Sandman
> On Sat, 28 May 2011 08:31:16 -0700, Peter Franks <no...@none.com>
> wrote:
>>Why should the wealthy pay more than their fair share?
>
> They aren't. Notice what it was for years after WWII when our economy
> was booming.
Do you think that was all due to taxes on the wealthy?
RD Sandman
You shouldn't bad mouth him, Sid. On taxing the wealthy he is on the
same side as you and Dudu. He is one of yours. ;)
John Smith
> ...
> This is true, but you haven't a clue why it's true! You just buy the
> standard saw that if there is a pile of money wsomewhere is OUGTH to
> be stolen.
> ...
> No. The problem is two fold. 1. taxation is not fairly done. 2. The
> fox is running the hen house when it comes to spending taxes.
> ...
> So your idea is that one must pay a yearly fee for the privilege of
> keeping what you actually worked to earn. If you don't pay your "rent"
> on your propery, it gets taken (stolen) from you. (See first rule)
>> ...
> There are two ideas here. One is that taxes should be fair. Say a
> fixed percentage of income, sales price etc.. The other is that tax
> rates can be manipulated to do social engineering. One can tax "needy"
> people less and "undesirable" people more to induce behavior in
> various directions. The problem is once again fairness. Who is setting
> the rules? Usually "needy" means the friends of those making rules
> and "undesirables" means enemies of those setting rules!
> ...
> Why just raise taxes? Why not kill them all and take everything they
> own to pay off the national debt? We are all pretty much getting away
> from the rule of law anyway. I'm sure all the "poor" will be for this
> plan.
Your text reminded me back to a time when I had first retired, gotten
bored, and the wife and I began donating time at a local Catholic Social
Services Center.
I worked as security, in the kitchen, cleaning the grounds, the
"homeless library", etc., the wife the same, anywhere where we were
needed in the center. I began to see "the homeless" more as "people"
than I ever had in life ... but ...
After about a month, one of the priests came and took me and the wife to
his office, he counseled us about our "attitudes" towards the homeless.
I can see now, it didn't work, we didn't get it. In fact, at the
time, I didn't even realize that I didn't get it, and thanked him for
the "pep talk."
So, one day, the priest asked me if I would go along with a homeless man
and his girlfriend and help them collect recyclables, this struck me as
odd, but still, I consented, I had great respect for the priest ... the
wife went to her normal chores at the center.
During the day we collected cans, plastic, metals, bottles, etc. from
various dumpsters. They even found clothing they kept.
To make a long story short, at the end of that day, I was dead tired.
When we turned in his "findings" he got a bit less than $50.00 dollars.
It had taken us over 8 hrs. and was some of the hardest work I had
ever done. My feet hurt, my back hurt, etc.
I finally "got" what the priest had been trying to tell me, it is harder
to be homeless than to hold down a tough job. They don't choose to be
homeless ...
Now, I am sure that some just "don't work" or are "lazy", but I will
never have the same opinions I had before I had the opportunity to see
the problem directly ... to see "the problem" first hand, up close and
personal.
Now I see the difference between the "rich" and "the poor" as being a
bit less significant ... if you doubt anything I have said here, help a
homeless person out for a day ... be prepared to have your opinions changed!
Now, I certainly would NOT want to ever repeat that day, but oddly
enough, I am grateful for the experience! The priest comes by now and
then, and we have dinner together.
Regards,
JS
RD Sandman
True, they pay more than that. It is the bottom 50% that don't pay their
share.....they are the takers.
> That's the problem.
Yep.
> Wealth is not taxed.
And shouldn't be....otherwise you would be taxing the same monies over
and over.
> Interest is taxed at only 10% whereas, if your work for your money it
> can be taxed as high as 33%
None of the poor are in that bracket, mon ami.
> Raising their taxes will have them paying their fair share of the cost
> of government
There is no cost of government in wealth. Only in providing the
atmosphere to earn it.
RD Sandman
Congratulations....this is one of the first posts I have seen from you
that made sense and wasn't mostly babble.
deepdudu
<rdsandman@comcast[remove].net> wrote:
>Deep Dudu wrote in news:2p52u61cmm5qf0ts6...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 28 May 2011 08:31:16 -0700, Peter Franks <no...@none.com>
>> wrote:
>
>>>Why should the wealthy pay more than their fair share?
>>
>> They aren't. Notice what it was for years after WWII when our economy
>> was booming.
>
>Do you think that was all due to taxes on the wealthy?
Yes. Tax the hell out of the wealthy an invest directly in the
infrastructure then you stimulate the economy. Cutting taxes on the
wealth to the ridiculously low rate it is now NEVER results in
stimulating the economy.
RD Sandman
> On Sat, 28 May 2011 12:19:55 -0500, RD Sandman
> <rdsandman@comcast[remove].net> wrote:
>
>>Deep Dudu wrote in news:2p52u61cmm5qf0ts6...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sat, 28 May 2011 08:31:16 -0700, Peter Franks <no...@none.com>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>Why should the wealthy pay more than their fair share?
>>>
>>> They aren't. Notice what it was for years after WWII when our
economy
>>> was booming.
>>
>>Do you think that was all due to taxes on the wealthy?
>
> Yes. Tax the hell out of the wealthy an invest directly in the
> infrastructure then you stimulate the economy.
>
IOw, you feel that if the wealthy had not been taxed at such a high rate,
the post war boom would have never happened? It is all due to that high
tax rate and no euphoria from winning a war, not any plants already built
and ramped up and ready to go, nor a public looking for new cars, for
example, since it hadn't had any since 1942, no more need for victory
gardens, no rationing of nylons? ;)
> Cutting taxes on the
> wealth to the ridiculously low rate it is now NEVER results in
> stimulating the economy.
I am not one claiming that it has.
deepdudu
<rdsandman@comcast[remove].net> wrote:
>Deep Dudu wrote in news:coi2u61hg9t0mp15o...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 28 May 2011 12:19:55 -0500, RD Sandman
>> <rdsandman@comcast[remove].net> wrote:
>>
>>>Deep Dudu wrote in news:2p52u61cmm5qf0ts6...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 28 May 2011 08:31:16 -0700, Peter Franks <no...@none.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Why should the wealthy pay more than their fair share?
>>>>
>>>> They aren't. Notice what it was for years after WWII when our
>economy
>>>> was booming.
>>>
>>>Do you think that was all due to taxes on the wealthy?
>>
>> Yes. Tax the hell out of the wealthy an invest directly in the
>> infrastructure then you stimulate the economy.
>>
>
>IOw, you feel that if the wealthy had not been taxed at such a high rate,
>the post war boom would have never happened? It is all due to that high
>tax rate and no euphoria from winning a war, not any plants already built
>and ramped up and ready to go, nor a public looking for new cars, for
>example, since it hadn't had any since 1942, no more need for victory
>gardens, no rationing of nylons? ;)
http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2010/04/us_government_d.html
RD Sandman
> On Sat, 28 May 2011 14:35:29 -0500, RD Sandman
> <rdsandman@comcast[remove].net> wrote:
>
>>Deep Dudu wrote in news:coi2u61hg9t0mp15o...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sat, 28 May 2011 12:19:55 -0500, RD Sandman
>>> <rdsandman@comcast[remove].net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Deep Dudu wrote in news:2p52u61cmm5qf0ts6...@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 28 May 2011 08:31:16 -0700, Peter Franks <no...@none.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>Why should the wealthy pay more than their fair share?
>>>>>
>>>>> They aren't. Notice what it was for years after WWII when our
>>economy
>>>>> was booming.
>>>>
>>>>Do you think that was all due to taxes on the wealthy?
>>>
>>> Yes. Tax the hell out of the wealthy an invest directly in the
>>> infrastructure then you stimulate the economy.
>>>
>>
>>IOw, you feel that if the wealthy had not been taxed at such a high
>>rate, the post war boom would have never happened? It is all due to
>>that high tax rate and no euphoria from winning a war, not any plants
>>already built and ramped up and ready to go, nor a public looking for
>>new cars, for example, since it hadn't had any since 1942, no more
>>need for victory gardens, no rationing of nylons? ;)
>
> http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2010/04/us_government_d.html
Which has little to do with what I asked you.
Scout
"Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Ok, let's see your proof.
----> Insert proof here
RHF
> "RHF" <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> > On May 27, 3:01 pm, John Smith <win.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 5/27/2011 2:53 PM, Peter Franks wrote:
>
> >> > ...
> >> > What is wrong with this country?
>
> >> There are only two possible answers I can think of:
>
> >> 1) The worst imbecilic-idiot-morons in government are honestly
> >> attempting correct fixes and a return to a decent America.
>
> >> -- or --
>
> >> 2) The government is tightly controlled by a shadow government criminal
> >> element and this is exactly their plan, to weaken and gain absolute
> >> police state control over all American citizens.
>
> >> But then, the solution to both is the same, imprison or hang either the
> >> imbecilic-idiot-morons or imprison the crooks!
>
> >> Regards,
> >> JS
>
> > JS -please- This is not simply the
> > "Democrat reveal plan. Tax more spend more"
>
> > More New Taxes and More Improved Spending !
> > -the-'more'-'more'-plan-
> > Taxes {We Are The Wiser Taxers}
> > Spending {We Are The Wiser Spenders}
>
> > -remember- You Can Trust Us 'Democrats' To
> > -we-have-a-proven-history-of-doing-just-that-
>
> > and that is the way 'i' see it ~ RHF
> > -vote-yes-on-no- -check-none-of-the-above-
> > .
> > .
>
> Yes we need some taxes, America being a low tax nation
>
> unfunded wars are paid for.
> 2. We need to rescind the bush, jr tax cuts that have crippled our
> government.
- capital gains at the same rate as money
- earned by working.
Yes-&-No -or- Maybe So...
The Idea to give Favorable Tax Treatment
to Dividends Interest and Capital Gains :
Is To Encourage Investment and Economic
{Business} Development and Job Creation :
THAT'S A GOOD THING FOR THE INVESTOR; THE
BUSINESS; THE EMPLOYED; AND THE GOVERNMENT
-aka- SOCIETY AS A WHOLE :o)
*BUT* For Society As A Whole {Everyone Equally}
How Do We As A Society Ensure Diverse Wealth
Creation For All Citizens {Members-of-Society}
Leveling The Wealth Creation Field : Take The
Average Annual Salary of a Working Man/Women
-example- $50K
Now Give 'Favorable' Tax Treatment to the First
$50K of Dividends, Interest and Capital Gains,
Corporate {Partnership} Income Earned by
Individuals Yearly -and- Tax the Rest as Ordinary
Income Just Like The Working Man/Woman Pays
-that's-tax-equity-that's-fair-that's-just-
Encourage Savings By All
Encourage Thrift By All
Encourage Investment By All
Encourage Wealth Creation By All
Ensure Wealth Creation For All : Enrich All
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WHAT WILL WORK -is- Ensuring Tax Equality For All :
Tax Equality OF The People !
Tax Equality BY The People !
Tax Equality FOR The People !
That's The Flat-Tax+Plus2© Tax Equality System
{Balanced 'Equal' Taxes Across-the-Board}
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.news-media/msg/b86bda382aec7531
1st - Flat Sales Tax of XX% {17%}
-result- 90% of the People Pay NO Income Taxes
and NO Corporate Taxes : Simply a "Pay As You Go"
Consumer Sales Tax
2nd - Flat Corporate Profits* Tax of XX% {17%}
* On Corporate Profits Above $250K
-result- Ensures Corporations Pay Their Fair
{Equal} Share of the Cost of American Society
3rd - Flat Income* Tax of XX% {17%}
* On Individual {Single} Incomes Above $250K
-result- Ensures High Income Earners Pay Their
Fair {Equal} Share of the Cost of American Society
yes - it is that simple ~ RHF
-fair-is-fair-&-equal-is-equal-
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Doing-the-Math : Who Can Pay & Who Should Pay
A Gross Excess Income [Flat] Tax &
Who Should Simply Pay-As-They-Go
Via A National Sales [Flat] Tax
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/8a40826bb31ec5a9
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/a39dab4256ca7f1c
.
It Is Better To Be Flat Taxed Plus :
Than Flat Broke Period ! {Tax Equality}
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/92d80ae81ce3307d
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/4a5a66d06fc386ee
.
Ensuring 'Low-Income Working Taxpayers Pay Nothing
and Get Money Back :o) -wrt- The "EITC" the USA
Has In-Fact a De-Facto Negative Income Tax !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/3e6e5c3a4919b3fb
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/3fa31b72614cbcbf
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/341b578f31bc9e41
.
Why We Need an Alternative Minimum Tax for G.E.
= 'GE' A "Bad" Corporate Citizen !
-g.-e.-a-corporate-friend-of-obama-
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/c1a6dcc43a6a1d73
.
Ensuring 'The Rich' Have True Tax Equality
-by-a- Flat Tax PLUS National Tax System
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/09f108a002d90e1c
.
Taxed-Into-Poverty-R-Us : 2011 The 1st Year
of Obama-Tax-Slavery©
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/f474632d74cc3373
.
The Pending 2011 Obama+Pelosi+Reid Income Tax
Increase the Largest Tax Increase in the History
of the USA !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/9ac8b68e4e5d538a
.
Over-Taxed-R-Us : Most Voters Want Fair
and Equitable Taxes and Less Government
Spending and Debt
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/3ed13078238d3f69
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/581688d9ba14b85b
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*OMG/OMA* Let Us Pray . . .
This Has Been A 'Teachable Moment' ~ RHF©***
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teachable_moment
.
*** © This is another Copy-Righted 'Brain Fart' of RHF
-wrt- 'Brain Fart' -yeah- This Idea(s) Stinks : Pew! [P!U!]
.
Flat-Tax+Plus2© : Figuring Just Who Should Pay
For All of This -hint- Everyone !
Flat-Tax+Plus2© = Flat-Tax+Plus2© = Flat-Tax+Plus2©
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.news-media/msg/da83e5f409b9bb40
Flat-Tax+Plus2© = Flat-Tax+Plus2© = Flat-Tax+Plus2©
.
The Flat-Tax+Plus2© : Truly Fair & Equitable Tax Plan
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.news-media/msg/b86bda382aec7531
-fairness-tax-equality-for-all-
Building a Better America for the 21st Century
Flat-Tax+Plus2© = Flat-Tax+Plus2© = Flat-Tax+Plus2©
.
1st - 90% Pay as They Spend {Un-Burden by Tax Paperwork}
-aka- Pay as they Live Naturally
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.news-media/msg/b86bda382aec7531
-fairness-tax-equality-for-all-
Building a Better America for the 21st Century
Flat-Tax+Plus2© = Flat-Tax+Plus2© = Flat-Tax+Plus2©
.
2nd - Flat Corporate Profits Tax
Ensures Corporations Pay Their Fair {Equal} Share
of the Cost of American Society
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.news-media/msg/b86bda382aec7531
-fairness-tax-equality-for-all-
Building a Better America for the 21st Century
Flat-Tax+Plus2© = Flat-Tax+Plus2© = Flat-Tax+Plus2©
.
3rd - Flat Income for the Rich/Wealthy
Ensures High Income Earners Pay Their Fair {Equal}
Share of the Cost of American Society
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.news-media/msg/b86bda382aec7531
-fairness-tax-equality-for-all-
Building a Better America for the 21st Century
Flat-Tax+Plus2© = Flat-Tax+Plus2© = Flat-Tax+Plus2©
.
That's a Flat-Tax+Plus2© a Truly Fair and
Equitable Tax Plan for a Healthy and Strong
America With Fairness and Tax Equality For All.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.news-media/msg/b86bda382aec7531
Building a Better America for the 21st Century
Flat-Tax+Plus2© = Flat-Tax+Plus2© = Flat-Tax+Plus2©
.
Flat-Tax+Plus2© Can't have The One [1st]
Without the "+Plus2" 2nd and 3rd :
That is Why it is called the Flat-Tax+Plus2© :
Truly Fair and Equitable Tax Plan
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.news-media/msg/b86bda382aec7531
-fairness-tax-equality-for-all-
Building a Better America for the 21st Century
Flat-Tax+Plus2© = Flat-Tax+Plus2© = Flat-Tax+Plus2©
.
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Gray Ghost
> Cutting taxes on the
> wealth to the ridiculously low rate it is now NEVER results in
> stimulating the economy.
>
Yeah, but killing off progressives and socialists is bound to be a boom.
--
Herman Cain for President! http://hermancain.com/
If you don't support him you are a Racist!!
He beat Cancer. He'll beat Obama (who is just like cancer)
Remember Desert One, Carter 0? Ain't it sad to wish that Obama had as much
ambition but being glad he doesn't knowing he doesn't have THAT much
competence?
RD Sandman
news:Xns9EF3D976C92F5We...@216.196.97.142:
> Deep Dudu wrote in news:coi2u61hg9t0mp15o...@4ax.com:
>
>> Cutting taxes on the
>> wealth to the ridiculously low rate it is now NEVER results in
>> stimulating the economy.
>>
>
> Yeah, but killing off progressives and socialists is bound to be a boom.
>
In more ways than one.
Peter Franks
That doesn't explain anything. How about addressing the question:
John Deacon
DooDoo does NOT address guestions, once guestioned about his answers.
He's still wondering if he can get a refund on the globe he bought on
Ebay, where it showed France is closer to Libya then anyone else.
Maybe the ink was still runny when it sat in the UPS truck?
RHF
> On 5/28/2011 7:54 AM, Deep Dudu wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 28 May 2011 10:13:56 -0400, "Scout"
> > <me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
> >> "Sid9"<sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> >>news:irqv9f$geo$1...@dont-email.me...
>
> >>>news:6684194d-4ffb-4ee8...@z15g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> >>>> On May 27, 3:01 pm, John Smith<win.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On 5/27/2011 2:53 PM, Peter Franks wrote:
>
> >>>>>> ...
> >>>>>> What is wrong with this country?
>
> >>>>> There are only two possible answers I can think of:
>
> >>>>> 1) The worst imbecilic-idiot-morons in government are honestly
> >>>>> attempting correct fixes and a return to a decent America.
>
> >>>>> -- or --
>
> >>>>> 2) The government is tightly controlled by a shadow government criminal
> >>>>> element and this is exactly their plan, to weaken and gain absolute
> >>>>> police state control over all American citizens.
>
> >>>>> But then, the solution to both is the same, imprison or hang either the
> >>>>> imbecilic-idiot-morons or imprison the crooks!
>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> JS
>
> >>>> JS -please- This is not simply the
> >>>> "Democrat reveal plan. Tax more spend more"
>
> >>>> More New Taxes and More Improved Spending !
> >>>> -the-'more'-'more'-plan-
> >>>> Taxes {We Are The Wiser Taxers}
> >>>> Spending {We Are The Wiser Spenders}
>
> >>>> -remember- You Can Trust Us 'Democrats' To
> >>>> -we-have-a-proven-history-of-doing-just-that-
>
> >>>> and that is the way 'i' see it ~ RHF
> >>>> -vote-yes-on-no- -check-none-of-the-above-
> >>>> .
> >>>> .
>
>
> >> What a great idea, then we could be more like Italy and Turkey.
>
> > Cutting taxes on the wealthy has NEVER stimulated the economy. Taxing
> > the hell out of them and putting the money directly into the economy
> > will. We should go to a top rate of 98% and cut all tax loopholes
> > and tax interest, dividend, and capital gains exactlyt he same as
> > wages.
>
- their fair share?
? Define "Their Fair Share" !
.
Who Benefits By Our Society ?
-and- What Is Their Reward ?
Beyond The Ability to Live a Reasonable
Life Food, Cloth and House Their Family.
-four-examples-
.
1st -Taxing the $5K 'Disposable Income' @ 20%
of the average Working Man {Family} :
Leaves them with just $4K.
.
2nd - Taxing the $25K 'Disposable Income'
@ 20% of the High Income Earner {Family} :
Leaves them with just $20K.
.
3rd -Taxing the $250K 'Disposable Income'
@ 20% of the Very High Income Earner {Family} :
Leaves them with just $200K; and that is
Four-Times [4X] the Gross Income of the
average Working Man {Family}.
.
4rd - Taxing the $2.5M 'Disposable Income'
@ 20% of the Rich and Wealth {Family} :
Leaves them with just $2.0M; and that is
Forty-Times [40X] the Gross Income of the
average Working Man {Family}; and this
Ensures High Income Earners Pay* Their Fair
{Equal} Share of the Cost of American Society.
* Simply Paying Back To {Into} The Society :
That Which You Have Received Greatly From It
-paying-back-social-responsibility-reciprocity-
.
Where a Flat Sales Tax is XX% [20%]
-that's- Flat-Tax+Plus2©
.
Plus a High Threshold Income Tax is XX% [20%]
Ensures That The Rich-Wealthy Pay Their Fair
Share To Support and Maintain Our Society.
-that's- Flat-Tax+Plus2©
.
Plus a Corporate Earnings Tax is XX% [20%]
Ensures That Corporations Pay Their Fair
Share To Support and Maintain Our Society.
-that's- Flat-Tax+Plus2©
.
NOTE : The US Federal Government is simply
the AGENT of Our American Society {Economy}
-remember- The US Federal Government is NOT
Our American Society [.]
.
Leveling The Wealth Creation Field :
The Flat-Tax+Plus2© Tax Equality System
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/90cdf4c9ea549075
Ensuring Tax Equality For All :
Tax Equality OF The People !
-that's- Flat-Tax+Plus2©
Tax Equality BY The People !
-that's- Flat-Tax+Plus2©
Tax Equality FOR The People !
-that's- Flat-Tax+Plus2©
.
Flat-Tax+Plus2© : Figuring Just Who...
Should Pay For All of This -hint- Everyone !
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.guns/msg/1533d01085361532
.
The Flat-Tax+Plus2© Tax Equality System :
Balanced 'Equal' Taxes Across-the-Board :
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.guns/msg/24965a8c3ae93a6e
Sales = Income = Corporate [All Taxed Equally]
.
The Flat-Tax+Plus2© Tax Equality System :
Balanced 'Equal' Taxes Across-the-Board :
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.guns/msg/2849dcfdd42684ca
* Figuring Just Who Should Pay For All of This
-hint- Everyone !
* Truly Fair & Equitable Tax Plan for All
* 90% Pay as they Live Naturally [No Tax Paperwork]
* Flat Corporate Profits Tax that Ensures Corporations
Pay Their Fair {Equal} Share of the Cost of American
Society
* Flat Income Tax for the Top 10% Rich/Wealthy that
Ensures High Income Earners Pay Their Fair {Equal}
Share of the Cost of American Society
* That's a Flat-Tax+Plus2© a Truly Fair and
Equitable Tax Plan for a Healthy and Strong
America With Fairness and Tax Equality For All.
"Building a Better America for the 21st Century"
.
.
*OMG/OMA* Let Us Pray . . .
This Has Been A 'Teachable Moment' ~ RHF©***
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teachable_moment
.
*** © This is another Copy-Righted 'Brain Fart' of RHF
-wrt- 'Brain Fart' -yeah- This Idea(s) Stinks : Pew! [P!U!]
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.
RHF
- That doesn't explain anything.
- How about addressing the question:
-
Scout
"RHF" <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:bcbfff71-3a14-4f28...@22g2000prx.googlegroups.com...
<snip>
Seems to me you're simply bitching because there is an advantage to busting
ass and getting ahead. Because while they end up with X times more than case
number one, they also paid X times more. Seems your gripe is that they still
have more disposable income left over and somehow you don't see that as
fair.
So tell us, why should they be forced to pay more? Because you think it's
fair that we sock it to the rich?
RHF
- there is an advantage to busting ass and
- getting ahead. Because while they end up
- with X times more than case number one,
- they also paid X times more.
No #1's Sale Tax is XX% and #3's Income Tax is XX%
XX% = XX% They just Continue to Pay Their Fair Share
Beyond the Cost of Buying a Basic Living Through
Daily Consumption.
.
- Seems your gripe is that they still have
- more disposable income left over and somehow
- you don't see that as fair.
? What More Fair ?
Taking $5K from the Disposable Income
of the average Working Man {Family}
and Leaving Them With NOTHING !
-or-
Taking $50K from the Disposable Income
of the Very High Income Earner {Family}
and Leaving Them With $200K which is
Four-Times [4X] the Gross Income of the
average Working Man {Family} !
-or-
Taking $500K from the Disposable Income
of the Rich and Wealth {Family} and
Leaving Them With $2M which is Forty-Times
[40X] the Gross Income of the average
Working Man {Family} !
-and-once-again-
This Ensures High Income Earners Pay* Their Fair
{Equal} Share of the Cost of American Society.
* Simply Paying Back To {Into} The Society :
That Which You Have Received Greatly From It
-paying-back-social-responsibility-reciprocity-
.
- So tell us, why should they be forced
- to pay more?
To Ensure High Income Earners Pay* Their Fair
{Equal} Share of the Cost of American Society.
* Simply Paying Back To {Into} The Society :
That Which You Have Received Greatly From It
-paying-back-social-responsibility-reciprocity-
.
- Because you think it's fair that we sock
- it to the rich?
Not Interested in SOCKING-IT-TO Anyone [.]
Equal Taxes : Sales = Income = Corporate
-leveling-the-tax-taxing-playing-field-
Tax the Poor and average Working Man {Family}
with an XX% Flat Sales Tax on Consumption.
Tax the High Income Earner and Rich-Wealth
with an XX% Flat Income* Tax on Excessive
Income Greater Than Five-Times the average
Working Man {Family}.
* Income is Income : Wages, Salary, Commissions,
Interest, Dividends, Bonuses, Stock Options,
Deferred Compensation, Other Benefits, etc...
Tax Corporations* with an XX% Flat Corporate
Gross Earnings Tax on Income Greater Than
Five-Times the average Working Man {Family}.
* Corporations & Sole Proprietorships &
Partnerships & Trusts = All Forms of Business
Economic Enterprises
How is the simple 'Continuation' of the Same
Tax Level Sales XX% to Income Tax XX% For the
Income in Excess of Five-Times average Working
Man {Family} Socking It To Anyone ?
Average Working Man {Family} Income $50K :
Means the First $250K Has No Income Tax.
Only Income in Excess of $250K is Taxed at
the very same {equal} Rate XX% as the Sales
Tax XX% -result- simply the 'Continuation'
of the Same Tax Level beyond the Taxing of
the Normal Consumption to Live that the Sales
Tax Taxes. -yes-it-is-that-simple-
OK -if- In Fact They Bust Their Ass :
They Can Keep It :o)
*BUT* -then- No Inherited Wealth :
A Fair Start =TO=- A Fair Share [.]
-oops-another-inconvenient-truth-
The Vast Majority of the Rich & Wealth
Did NOT Earn Their Wealth : They Simply
Inherited Mega-Money, Property, Status
and 'Connections'. -paris-hilton-
...so... Add One More "Equality" Tax an
XX% Flat Inheritance Tax on Estates Valued
Greater Than Five-Times the average Working
Man {Family}. -after-all-fair-is-fair-
.
-again- ? Define "Their Fair Share" !
Equal : Sales = Income = Corporate Taxes
-leveling-the-tax-taxing-playing-field-
Raise the Percentage For One and All
-or- Lower the Percentage For One and All :
To Achieve The Level of Support That Society
Needs -no-loop-holes-:-no-exclusions-
Balance So That Rich or Poor or Corporate
All Pay The Same From The First Dollar To
The Last Dollar =Equal=For=All=
-what-could-be-more-fair,-equitable-&-just-
.
Flat-Tax+Plus2© Flat-Tax+Plus2© Flat-Tax+Plus2©
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/96e43dec055fe598
.
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Scout
"RHF" <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:ab361d67-a145-41b8...@18g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
We're discussion the income tax proposal right now, do try to keep up.
> - Seems your gripe is that they still have
> - more disposable income left over and somehow
> - you don't see that as fair.
>
> ? What More Fair ?
> Taking $5K from the Disposable Income
> of the average Working Man {Family}
> and Leaving Them With NOTHING !
Your own numbers above indicate they still have $4k in disposable income.
Are you now revising your numbers without telling people?
Tell me you aren't this dishonest?
Peter Franks
> * 90% Pay as they Live Naturally [No Tax Paperwork]
> * Flat Corporate Profits Tax that Ensures Corporations
> Pay Their Fair {Equal} Share of the Cost of American
> Society
> * Flat Income Tax for the Top 10% Rich/Wealthy that
> Ensures High Income Earners Pay Their Fair {Equal}
> Share of the Cost of American Society
> * That's a Flat-Tax+Plus2© a Truly Fair and
> Equitable Tax Plan for a Healthy and Strong
> America With Fairness and Tax Equality For All.
> "Building a Better America for the 21st Century"
> .
> .
> *OMG/OMA* Let Us Pray . . .
> This Has Been A 'Teachable Moment' ~ RHF©***
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teachable_moment
> .
> *** © This is another Copy-Righted 'Brain Fart' of RHF
> -wrt- 'Brain Fart' -yeah- This Idea(s) Stinks : Pew! [P!U!]
> .
> .
Your writing is very strange and borders on the incomprehensible.
Perhaps that is your intent...
Regarding what I presume is one of your responses:
"? Define "Their Fair Share" !"
Fair share would be defined as: proportionally equal.
RHF
Read & Re-Read -try-to-understand-
? Define "Their Fair Share" !
.
Who Benefits By Our Society ?
-and- What Is Their Reward ?
Beyond The Ability to Live a Reasonable
Life Food, Cloth and House Their Family.
-four-examples-
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/96e43dec055fe598
First is 20% Tax of $1K on $5K and
Leaving $4K.
-a-little-injustice-to-the-common-man-
? What More Fair ?
Taking $5K from the Disposable Income
of the average Working Man {Family}
and Leaving Them With NOTHING !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/e100261343df6fc5
Second is 100% Tax of $5K on $5K and
Leaving $0K [Nothing].
-that's-a-great-injustice-to-the-common-man-
.
-or-
.
Taking $500K from the Disposable Income
of the Rich and Wealth {Family} and
Leaving Them With $2M which is Forty-Times
[40X] the Gross Income of the average
Working Man {Family} !
-and-once-again-
This Ensures High Income Earners Pay* Their Fair
{Equal} Share of the Cost of American Society.
* Simply Paying Back To {Into} The Society :
That Which You Have Received Greatly From It
-paying-back-social-responsibility-reciprocity-
.
Even CRI Radio just had a follow-up Program
on Up-Dating Their Income Tax System and
Equalizing Corporate Taxes. ~ RHF
=Equality=Justice=The=Greater=Good=Fairness=
.
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Scout
"RHF" <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:5c14e367-6359-4a6e...@q14g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
I see, you're a parrot.
Here's a cracker, now go away.
<plonk>
cuh...@webtv.net
Wieden, riding around in WLBT 3's Skycopter 3 (the tee vee station that
doesn't exist) showed us a live video of Backyard Burgers.Looks like the
aircondioning thangy on the roof top is what is on fire.
80 million dollars to be spent for adding an extra lane to I-55 South,
between McDowell Road and the town of Terry in South Jackson.80 million
dollars of Missy Sippy dollars, that is.
cuhulin
RHF
- - ? Define "Their Fair Share" !
- I see, you're a parrot.
-
- Here's a cracker, now go away.
-
- <plonk>
Scout,
Can I Get Some Cheese With Those Crackers :o)
-smiling- -smiling- -smiling- -smiling- :o))
-p/s- Scout -be-prepared- To Be Taxed Fairly !
.
Democrats Reveal New & Improved Plan :
More New Taxes and More Improved Spending !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/acaf44e669b04ba1
-polly-want-some-fair-taxes-smile-polly-smile-
.
The Flat-Tax+Plus2© The Flat-Tax+Plus2©
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/96e43dec055fe598
Across The Board US Tax Equality for the 21st Century
.
The Flat-Tax+Plus2© The Flat-Tax+Plus2©
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/e100261343df6fc5
Across The Board US Tax Equality for the 21st Century
.
The Flat-Tax+Plus2© The Flat-Tax+Plus2©
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/92939f81002fe79f
Across The Board US Tax Equality for the 21st Century
.
The Flat-Tax+Plus2© Tax Equality System
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/90cdf4c9ea549075
Leveling The Wealth Creation Field
.
Flat-Tax+Plus2© : Tax Equality System
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.guns/msg/1533d01085361532
Figuring Just Who... Should Pay For All of This
-hint- Everyone !
.
The Flat-Tax+Plus2© Tax Equality System
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.guns/msg/24965a8c3ae93a6e
Balanced 'Equal' Taxes Across-the-Board :
Sales = Income = Corporate = Estate
[All Taxed Equally Across The Board : Fairness]
.
The Flat-Tax+Plus2© Tax Equality System
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.guns/msg/2849dcfdd42684ca
Balanced 'Equal' Taxes Across-the-Board
cuh...@webtv.net
cuhulin