OT: Cairo, New York (Eat the rich)
dave
California, New York State rebates 15 billion dollars annually in stock
transfer taxes to Wall Street. This potential revenue to the state is
lost in the hands of the richest one percent of New York's population,
whose income share is currently 44 percent of total New York State income.
Additionally, Cuomo and Senate majority leader Dean Skelos proposed a
termination of the Millionaires' Tax that brings in 1.5 billion dollars,
and refused to reinstate the 50% tax on bankers' bonuses, which would
bring in 10 billion dollars in state revenue.
Small wonder, then, that the bulk of some 4,000 banners and placards
read "Tax the Rich", a spectacle that drew scores of police barricades
and state security personnel to the scene. As the enormous line of
bodies moved through the streets, workers from nearby offices – some in
suits, others in janitors' uniforms – ran outside to join the protestors.
RHF
Dave it's "Berkeley" [CA] -not- 'Berkley'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley,_California
-wrt- The Second Home of the Original {1ST} "UC"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California,_Berkeley
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_University_of_California,_Berkeley
The original 'Site' {Home} of University of California
is now a City Block 'Parking Garage' in downtown
. . . . . . . . . . . Oakland, CA - nitt?
-or- Buz-Erk-Kay-Lee ! -or- Berzerkeley
-wrt- The People's Republic of Berkeley !
.
Yeah -to-be-honest- The Truth Is The Rich
Do NOT Pay Their Fair-Share :
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/bf4f9308219b78e4
To Support The American {Capitalist} Society
That They Grossly Benefit So Much From !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/bf4f9308219b78e4
Giving Back As Much As You Get :
Is Just, Fair and Equitable 50%/50%
OOPS ! : That's a 50% Tax System
.
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bpnjensen
> On Mar 28, 5:35 am, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
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>
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> > According to the Department of Economics at the University of Berkley,
> > California, New York State rebates 15 billion dollars annually in stock
> > transfer taxes to Wall Street. This potential revenue to the state is
> > lost in the hands of the richest one percent of New York's population,
> > whose income share is currently 44 percent of total New York State income.
>
> > Additionally, Cuomo and Senate majority leader Dean Skelos proposed a
> > termination of the Millionaires' Tax that brings in 1.5 billion dollars,
> > and refused to reinstate the 50% tax on bankers' bonuses, which would
> > bring in 10 billion dollars in state revenue.
>
> > Small wonder, then, that the bulk of some 4,000 banners and placards
> > read "Tax the Rich", a spectacle that drew scores of police barricades
> > and state security personnel to the scene. As the enormous line of
> > bodies moved through the streets, workers from nearby offices some in
> > suits, others in janitors' uniforms ran outside to join the protestors.
>
> >http://www.truth-out.org/new-yorkers-rage-against-cuts68797
>
> Dave it's "Berkeley" [CA] -not- 'Berkley'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley,_California
> The original 'Site' {Home} of University of California
> is now a City Block 'Parking Garage' in downtown
> . . . . . . . . . . . Oakland, CA - nitt?
>
> -or- Buz-Erk-Kay-Lee ! -or- Berzerkeley
> -wrt- The People's Republic of Berkeley !
> .
> Yeah -to-be-honest- The Truth Is The Rich
> Do NOT Pay Their Fair-Share :http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/bf4f9308219b78e4
> To Support The American {Capitalist} Society
> Giving Back As Much As You Get :
> Is Just, Fair and Equitable 50%/50%
> OOPS ! : That's a 50% Tax System
> .
>
> - Show quoted text -
A rich person taxed 50% is still rich.
A middle class person taxed 50% is poor.
A poor person taxed 50% is dead.
dave
> A rich person taxed 50% is still rich.
>
> A middle class person taxed 50% is poor.
>
> A poor person taxed 50% is dead.
Rich people don't pay the top rate on all of their income. They only pay
the top rate on income above a threshold.
Ostentatious wealth is tacky and Unamerican (except maybe in North
Texas). The richest man in America drives a Cutlass.
cuh...@webtv.net
have been to Manhattan too.Manhattan,Kansas.
I lived in HIGH TAXES,Illinois for ten months, Scott Air Force Base,
back and forth to SL 60 near Pacific,Missouri, near Saint Louis.
http://www.devilfinder.com/find.php?q=SL+60+Waymarking.com
I lived in Salina,Kansas about four months.You from Indiana? I lived one
year in Martinsville,Indiana.
cuhulin
dave
We passed through Ohio and Indiana on the way from Kentucky to Illinois,
between the 2 wars with the British. Zacharia didn't write much.
cuh...@webtv.net
for two months, Ammo School.But, I didn't get a PhD in Ammo Receiving
Storage Maintnance and Supply.
U.S.Army, Ahh wants mah Ammo PhD and Ahh wants it NOW!
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
when I was a kid, my mom would call me Llyweyln.So, I wonderr about
Wales? I am fixin to get back up in my attic and wonderr about that some
more.
http://www.devilfinder.com/find.php?q=Wales
cuhulin, Wonderrin, Wales?
RHF
> On Mar 29, 5:23 am, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
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>
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> > On Mar 28, 5:35 am, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
>
> > > According to the Department of Economics at the University of Berkley,
> > > California, New York State rebates 15 billion dollars annually in stock
> > > transfer taxes to Wall Street. This potential revenue to the state is
> > > lost in the hands of the richest one percent of New York's population,
> > > whose income share is currently 44 percent of total New York State income.
>
> > > Additionally, Cuomo and Senate majority leader Dean Skelos proposed a
> > > termination of the Millionaires' Tax that brings in 1.5 billion dollars,
> > > and refused to reinstate the 50% tax on bankers' bonuses, which would
> > > bring in 10 billion dollars in state revenue.
>
> > > Small wonder, then, that the bulk of some 4,000 banners and placards
> > > read "Tax the Rich", a spectacle that drew scores of police barricades
> > > and state security personnel to the scene. As the enormous line of
> > > bodies moved through the streets, workers from nearby offices some in
> > > suits, others in janitors' uniforms ran outside to join the protestors.
>
> > >http://www.truth-out.org/new-yorkers-rage-against-cuts68797
>
> > Dave it's "Berkeley" [CA] -not- 'Berkley'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley,_California
> > The original 'Site' {Home} of University of California
> > is now a City Block 'Parking Garage' in downtown
> > . . . . . . . . . . . Oakland, CA - nitt?
>
> > -or- Buz-Erk-Kay-Lee ! -or- Berzerkeley
> > -wrt- The People's Republic of Berkeley !
> > .
> > Yeah -to-be-honest- The Truth Is The Rich
> > Do NOT Pay Their Fair-Share :http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/bf4f9308219b78e4
> > To Support The American {Capitalist} Society
> > That They Grossly Benefit So Much From !http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/bf4f9308219b78e4
> > Giving Back As Much As You Get :
> > Is Just, Fair and Equitable 50%/50%
> > OOPS ! : That's a 50% Tax System
> > .
> > .- Hide quoted text -
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> > - Show quoted text -
BpnJ,
Greatest Return on Investment [ROI] of the US
Federal Governments {Limited} IRS Resources :
- A rich person taxed 50% is still rich.
OK -so- Focus of the Top 10% of the US Population
~30 Million out of 300 Million
1ST : Collecting 80% of All Possible Income/Wealth Taxes
[+] Free Up 90% of the US Population from Worrying
About the Tax Man and Liking Their Government a
Whole Lot More
[=] Result 90% of the Citizens Like the Tax System
and Think That They {Our} Government Is Doing a
Good {Taxing} Job {Fair System of Taxes}
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> A middle class person taxed 50% is poor.
OK -so- Try Focusing of the Upper 80% of the US
Population ~240 Million out of 300 Million
2nd Try Collecting 95% of All Potential Income Taxes
[-] Burdens 80% of the US Population from Worrying
About the Tax Man and NOT Liking Their Government
a Whole Lot
[=] Result 80% of the Citizens Do NOT Like the Tax
System and Think That They {Our} Government Is
Doing a Bad {Over Taxing} Job {Un-Fair System of Taxes}
.
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- A poor person taxed 50% is dead.
-oh-so-true- What Is It They Say . . .
YOU CAN NOT GET BLOOD FROM A TURNIP !
OK -why-not- Try Taxing the Lowest 20% of the US
Population ~60 Million out of 300 Million
-the-cost-is-2x-3x-the-potential-tax-revenue-
.
HOW : The Question Becomes . . .
Resolving the Difference between :
1ST : Collect 80% of All Possible Income/Wealth Taxes
from the Top 10%
-and-
2nd Try Collecting 95% of All Potential Income Taxes
from the Next 70% {80% Total}
Clearly the 1ST is Self-Evident and Most Efficient and Doable.
Hey Your Are 80% There ! {100% Taxation Nirvana :-}
So How To ? "Collect" That Additional 15% of the 95% Goal !
In the Most Efficient and Painless Pay-As-You-Go Method
-answer- A Uniform National Sales Tax
Thus We Would Have a -drum-roll-please-
Flat Tax PLUS National Tax System Which Is
Necessary For America's Future Financial Health
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/581688d9ba14b85b
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.misc/msg/4b2eb3e4f030809e
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/8503b113a0f6f083
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Reduce The Federal Tax and Tax Paper Work Burden For All
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/f78ec886a1452bf1
.
*READ*
The Truth Is The Rich Do Not Pay Their Fair-Share :
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/bf4f9308219b78e4
Starting With Elimination The "Cap" On The Social
Security Payroll Taxes.
-cause- The High Income Earners and all those who
are making $106.4K per Year are NOT Paying Their
Fair-Share of All Federal Taxes -wrt- Social Security
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/341b578f31bc9e41
.
Now You Ask : What About the Bottom 20% of the
US Population and Low Economic Status {Poverty}
YES - They Do Lose the EITC and Do Have To Pay
The Flat National Sales Tax as they Consume like
every one else. -so- Simply Identify and Track Them
as they do now and Issue Them the Same EDT Card
That Many/Most Have to Track Their Spending and
Rebate The Sales Tax Back to Them Annually,
Quarterly or Monthly; along with any other Public
Assistance Programs they might Quality-For and
Be-Receive. -that's-a- Zero-Tax+Benefit+Plus Status
{Equal To Or Greater That The EITC} Plus This Would
Get More Low Economic Status {Poverty} -aka- Working
and Retired Poor People to Sign-Up and Make-Use
of It : Then the EITC.
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it is better to be flat taxed plus
than flat broke period - imho ~ RHF
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bpnjensen
> .
> Reduce The Federal Tax and Tax Paper Work Burden For Allhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/f78ec886a1452bf1
> .
> *READ*
> The Truth Is The Rich Do Not Pay Their Fair-Share :http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/bf4f9308219b78e4
> Starting With Elimination The "Cap" On The Social
> Security Payroll Taxes.
> -cause- The High Income Earners and all those who
> are making $106.4K per Year are NOT Paying Their
> .
> Now You Ask : What About the Bottom 20% of the
> US Population and Low Economic Status {Poverty}
> YES - They Do Lose the EITC and Do Have To Pay
> The Flat National Sales Tax as they Consume like
> every one else. -so- Simply Identify and Track Them
> as they do now and Issue Them the Same EDT Card
> That Many/Most Have to Track Their Spending and
> Rebate The Sales Tax Back to Them Annually,
> Quarterly or Monthly; along with any other Public
> Assistance Programs they might Quality-For and
> Be-Receive. -that's-a- Zero-Tax+Benefit+Plus Status
> {Equal To Or Greater That The EITC} Plus This Would
> Get More Low Economic Status {Poverty} -aka- Working
> and Retired Poor People to Sign-Up and Make-Use
> of It : Then the EITC.
> .
> it is better to be flat taxed plus
> than flat broke period - imho ~ RHF
> .
>
> - Show quoted text -
A uniform national sales tax is regressive. It hits poor people where
they can't afford to be hit and makes no difference to the wealthy at
all.
RHF
> On 03/29/2011 07:24 AM, bpnjensen wrote:
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> > A rich person taxed 50% is still rich.
>
> > A middle class person taxed 50% is poor.
>
> > A poor person taxed 50% is dead.
>
- They only pay the top rate on income above a threshold.
Dave : Do-The-Math !
High Income Earners that are Over $379,150 AGI
-source- IRS 2011 Tax Table for 'Single'
Pay $110,016.50 in Taxes for that $379,150 AGI
{Which Equals ~29% of that Income}
Plus 35% of the Excess Over $379,150 AGI
{Which Equals ~35% of that Income}
* Roughly a $132,703 for the Next [2nd] $379,150 AGI
which is about $22,700 in Additional Taxes.
For a Millionaire with an AGI of $1,000,000 the
Amount of Taxes Paid above $379K would be :
$1M - $379K = $621K AGI @ 35% = $217,350
in Additional Taxes.
For a Multi-Millionaire with an AGI of $5,000,000
the Amount of Taxes Paid above $379K would be :
$5M - $379K = $4.621M AGI @ 35% = $1.617M
in Additional Taxes.
I would rather Collect the Last $1,617M in Taxes
then the first $110K
I have always thought that for for those who fall
into the Range of Ten-Times [10X] the Highest
Tax Bracket Threshold ~$3,791,500 the Amount
below $379,150 should be Tax Free and the
Amount Above $379,150 would be Taxed at the
35% Rate Coupled With NO Deductions and NO
Credits and NO Exemptions : This Equates To
A Flat and Uniform Fixed Standard Deduction
for All Those Making Ten-Times [10X] the Highest
Tax Bracket Threshold ~$3,791,500
* Easier and More Accurate Actual Income Reporting
* Less Paper Work and Accounting For The Tax Payer
and The IRS
* Less Gaming The Tax System by the Tax Payer
* Less Creative Accounting by the Tax Payer
* Better Tax Accountability for the IRS
* Greater Overall Tax Revenue for the IRS
How Lavish and Excessive a Rich Person Lives is
Their Own Concern and Not the IRS Business; and
Not Deductible [. ] Beyond the Normal and Customary
{Reasonable} Expenses* of the Average Working Man
should not be allowed.
* Wouldn't You or any Average Working Man Like
a $110K a Year Tax-Free to Life-On each Year ?
-and-if- You Wanted to Spend More You Could
-but- It Would First Be Fully Taxed !
~ RHF
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dave
We were near Ft. Boonesboro when the War started. That's how Lexington
got its name.
dave
>
> * Wouldn't You or any Average Working Man Like
> a $110K a Year Tax-Free to Life-On each Year ?
> -and-if- You Wanted to Spend More You Could
> -but- It Would First Be Fully Taxed !
>
That would just piss off a lot of rich people. Make the rate 26% and
eliminate all deductions.
cuh...@webtv.net
We went down to N'Awlins.
cuhulin
RHF
- - On 03/29/2011 12:23 PM, RHF wrote:
DOING THE MATH : Who Can Pay & Who Should Pay
A Gross Excess Income [Flat] Tax & Who Should Simply
Pay-As-They-Go Via A National Sales [Flat] Tax
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/a39dab4256ca7f1c
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- - * Wouldn't You or any Average Working Man Like
- - a $110K a Year Tax-Free to Life-On each Year ?
- - -and-if- You Wanted to Spend More You Could
- - -but- It Would First Be Fully Taxed !
- That would just piss off a lot of rich people.
Dave : It Is You Who Often -proclaims- Eat-the-Rich !
-now-that-would-really-piss-them-off-
.
- Make the rate 26% and eliminate all deductions.
Why 26%... Why Not 70%... Or 50%... Or 39%...
-the-needs-of-the-many-&-the-duty-of-the-few-
Dave,
There are Many More Working Poor People That VOTE
and Pay More Than Their Fair-Share of Taxes :
Then The Few Rich People Who Vote and Pay Their
Not-So Fair-Share of Taxes
-more-concerned-about-the-150-million-american-workers-
TAXES : 'Facts' -are- "Facts" :
http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/federalindividualratehistory-20080107.pdf
From 1965 to 1981 the Maximum US Federal Income
Tax Rate was 70% and the Rich were still Very Rich
After Taxes !
From 1982 to 1986 the Maximum US Federal Income
Tax Rate was 50% and the Rich were still Very Rich
After Taxes !
From 1993 to 2002 the Maximum US Federal Income
Tax Rate was ~39% and the Rich were still Very Rich
After Taxes !
Since 2003 to Present the Maximum US Federal Income
Tax Rate was ~35% and the Rich were still Very Rich
After Taxes !
Basic Top 10% Pays 90% Tax Scheme : With the
Remaining 90% Pays 10% Via a Flat Sales Tax
Fix a Percentage {What Every That Percentage Is XX%]
That Has The Rich [Top 10%] Pay and AGI Income/Wealth
Tax {How Much Did You Make = Send US XX%}
Fix a Percentage {What Every That Percentage Is YY%]
That Has The Rest [Lower 90%] Pay a Flat Sales Tax
and Not have to Worry about Taxes and Ppaper-Work.
Tax {How Much Did You Spend/Consume = Simply Pay
It As You Go}
Ideally the Two Percentages Income XX% and Sales YY%
would be about Four-to-One : So That Tax Payers Whether
Income or Sales would Both Be Paying an Equal and
Fair-Share of Disposable {Excess} Income beyond the
Cost of Keeping Self and Average Family Housed, Fed
and Healthy.
Four-to-One [4-to-1] Rate Examples :
Low National Sales Flat Tax of 6% : Would result-in an
National Income Tax Flat Rate of 24%
Moderate National Sales Flat Tax of 9% : Would result-in
an National Income Tax Flat Rate of 36%
High National Sales Flat Tax of 12% : Would result-in
an National Income Tax Flat Rate of 48%
.
INDEX : The Rich/Wealthy Highest 10% Income Threashold
to Five-Times [5X] The Average US Household/Family Income
a/o Fifteen Times [15X] The US Poverty Level for a Household/
Family : Annual Recalculation to Adjust for Inflation etc.
-example-
Average Married Family of Four ~$75K * 5X = $375K
-example-
Poverty Level Single + Two Children ~$22K * 15X = $330K
.
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NOT a Wealth Transfer System -but- A Means of Funding
American Society and the US Government That Is Painless
for the Vast Majority and Affordable for Those Who Can and
Should Pay the Price of a Society that Benefits Them Greatly.
Which Gets Us Back To . . . -drum-roll-please-
Flat Tax PLUS National Tax System Which Is
Necessary For America's Future Financial Health
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/581688d9ba14b85b
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.misc/msg/4b2eb3e4f030809e
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/8503b113a0f6f083
.
Reduce The Federal Tax and Tax Paper Work Burden For All
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/f78ec886a1452bf1
.
*READ*
The Truth Is The Rich Do Not Pay Their Fair-Share :
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/bf4f9308219b78e4
Starting With Elimination The "Cap" On The Social
Security Payroll Taxes.
-cause- The High Income Earners and all those who
are making $106.4K per Year are NOT Paying Their
Fair-Share of All Federal Taxes -wrt- Social Security
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/341b578f31bc9e41
.
.
RHF
YES By Itself It Is : That Is Why This Is A :
Flat Tax "PLUS" National Tax System
- It hits poor people where they can't afford to be hit
YES By Itself It Is : That Is Why This Is A :
Flat Tax "PLUS" National Tax System
There is 'Balance' betweeen the 90% Who Pay 10%
and The 10% Who Pay 90% of All Taxes
- and makes no difference to the wealthy at all.
YES That Is What The "PLUS" Is For !
BpnJ : Obviously You Did Not Read What I Wrote
-wrt- Flat Tax PLUS National Tax System Which Is
Necessary For America's Future Financial Health
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/581688d9ba14b85b
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.misc/msg/4b2eb3e4f030809e
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/8503b113a0f6f083
-hint- The "Plus" Makes It Progressive and Everyone
Would Pay Their Fair-Share
-remember- It Is Better To Be Flat Taxed PLUS :
Than Flat Broke Period !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/92d80ae81ce3307d
.
Doing-the-Math : Who Can Pay & Who Should Pay
A Gross Excess Income [Flat] Tax & Who Should Simply
Pay-As-They-Go Via A National Sales [Flat] Tax
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/a39dab4256ca7f1c
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/8a40826bb31ec5a9
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how very 'regressive' of you ~ RHF
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cuh...@webtv.net
http://www.worldnetdaily.com
How's aboutcha, Frederick,Maryland?
Yes Suhhhhhh,,,,,
Some Pine Trees blown down across I-55 between Terry and Crystal
Springs.That's about 15 - 20ish miles South of doggy's couch.Tornado
Warning for North part of Simpson County.We gots Stormy weather rollin
around.
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
photos of marble size Hail.We are gittin Hail over here.My old buddy and
his wife live in Richland, nine miles drive from doggy's couch.It is
Raining like crazy over there right now.
Note: This is backwater hick Missy Sippy.It is NOT News anywhere else in
the World!
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
Three New Navy Ships
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=305391
cuhulin
dave
> On Mar 29, 12:51 pm, dave<d...@dave.dave> wrote:
>
> - - On 03/29/2011 12:23 PM, RHF wrote:
>
> A Gross Excess Income [Flat] Tax& Who Should Simply