BBC cutbacks petition
John Plimmer
as some of you might have already heard, the UK government wants to
cut the BBC World Service.
Please sign the petition to protest against this step at
http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/savews
Thank you and kind regards,
DAC324
JP
Sébastien MEDARD
On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:25:30 +0000, Hils wrote:
>> Please sign the petition to protest against this step at
>> http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/savews
>>
>
> As a UK taxpayer whose broadband charges are about to rise 30%, you'll
> excuse me if I don't. But gov.uk would probably take more notice of
> listeners/customers anyway.
Do not mix both problems...
BBC world service is a real service for a lot of people around the world.
In a lot of countries it is difficult to get real information about what
is occurring on earth...
The fact that taxes are about to raise in UK is probably due to the fact
that companies did not pay enough taxes in the past...
Sebastien.
RHF
So why should the British [UK] Taxpayers Pay For
The News and Information of Other Nations ?
Shouldn't the Citizens-of-the-World "UN"
Be Paying for the BBC then . . .
.
bpnjensen
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well, that's all for the last episode of the Shortwave Radio Show!
Thanks for joining us! Those radios will make swell trebuchet
counterweights! So long now!
Off-the-air.
dave
>
> So why should the British [UK] Taxpayers Pay For
> The News and Information of Other Nations ?
>
Maybe the British don't want to live in a world full of idiots. The
World Service is something they can be proud of.
bpnjensen
Yes, but conservative governments rarely believe in educating the
masses. Idiots are their best friends.
bpnjensen
> being the most "highbrow" of all of the BBC's radio channels. What I've
> heard of it recently has sounded increasingly like ratings-chasing. And
> I haven't become conservative with the passing years: much the opposite!
> The World Service is not what it was: I object to paying for substandard
> broadcasts.
>
> Anyway, from 2014 it will be funded from licence revenue, not from a
> direct government grant.
>
> Sebastien's point about tax evasion is a fair one. The UK government
> has been colluding in it for years.
That's right - the British conservative government has lost interest
in educating.
dave
The "conservatives" (not like Dirksen or Goldwater) need the zombie army
of idiots to vote for them. The queers are gonna take your guns away!
arthr...@webtv.net
Idiots are naturally born . Ignorance is cultivated artificially .
bpnjensen
Well, there IS that too... ;-)
Sébastien MEDARD
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:59:11 -0800, RHF wrote:
> So why should the British [UK] Taxpayers Pay For The News and
> Information of Other Nations ?
You know, if I and You can write on this newsgroup it is probably because
the BBC was so active during past dark days.
French people like me know very well what they owe to the BBC. Thanks to
the existence of the BBC a lot of people understood that it was possible
to resist against the facism. In those dark days, UK was suffering a lot
from constant bombing. If there were no resistance in France and in other
countries (east front too), UK would have had a lot more problems to
succeed in fighting against the oppressor.
Today, the problem does not come from hostile governments (well...
sometimes yes...), but from hostile groups who recruit people who does
not know nothing about the world they live in. Switching off the BBC world
service is just like leaving the place for people who can act against our
interests.
Switching off the BBC world service, is not only switching off "News and
Information", but it is also like switching off a light house in the
darkness for a lot of people.... that you will get on your back..... one
day.... if you don't provide them a good quality of information.
> Shouldn't the Citizens-of-the-World "UN" Be Paying for the BBC then...
Playing this game will give you a little bit extra money now, but you
cannot imagine the amount of money you will have to pay in the future...
A government can scramble a foreign satellite feed.... but succeeding in
blurring the BBC World Service in LW/MW/SW.... Even the Russians were not
able to do that everywhere...
Sebastien.
Sébastien MEDARD
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:44:25 -0800, bpnjensen wrote:
>> > So why should the British [UK] Taxpayers Pay For The News and
>> > Information of Other Nations ?
>>
>> Maybe the British don't want to live in a world full of idiots. The
>> World Service is something they can be proud of.
>
> Yes, but conservative governments rarely believe in educating the
> masses. Idiots are their best friends.
Until more idiot people comme and get some....
Sebastien.
Sébastien MEDARD
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 00:33:51 +0000, Hils wrote:
> The World Service is not what it was: I object to paying for substandard
> broadcasts.
We are facing the same kind of problem in France... When you get a tool,
you can use it in a good wan or not... When you get no tools you cannot
use it anymore.
If you switch off the BBC World Service, you will have no tool, ever, to
be used when you will be facing a problem.
> Anyway, from 2014 it will be funded from licence revenue, not from a
> direct government grant.
So what? What can be done by the law, can be undone by the law. The is
the law of reciprocity :)
> Sebastien's point about tax evasion is a fair one. The UK government has
> been colluding in it for years.
My point was not to put any focus on that, but when I see what was
England and the kind of problems you get now... But, you know, in France,
we get the same kind of problems... When you get companies who get one leg
in Europe and one leg in the low cost working rate countries... What
would you expect...
Sebastien.
Sébastien MEDARD
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:27:31 -0800, arthrnyork wrote:
>> Yes, but conservative governments rarely believe in educating the
>> masses. Idiots are their best friends.
>
> Idiots are naturally born . Ignorance is cultivated artificially.
I like it!
Sebastien.
Sébastien MEDARD
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 02:47:21 +0000, Hils wrote:
> Sébastien MEDARD wrote:
>
>> If you switch off the BBC World Service, you will have no tool, ever,
>> to be used when you will be facing a problem.
>
> I wouldn't switch it off completely, I'd focus it much more on news, and
> get rid of the feminist propaganda and ratings-chasing.
It would be a good compromise.
> Russia's and Romania's external radio programmes are more interesting
> IMO.
I should listen to them, for a try.
> If only there was an Al Jazeera Radio on shortwave. :-)
I don't watch Al Jazeera but probably I should...
> The EU, and member governments, are backing away from tackling the
> problems of global capitalism.
The EU, and member governments ideology is more extreme than in the US....
Sebastien.
dave
> Hello,
>
> The EU, and member governments ideology is more extreme than in the US....
>
> Sebastien.
I doubt that. The only place more extreme than this Hell hole is Iran or
maybe that 'stan where they boil people in oil. We are fed propaganda
and jingoism all day long. We are offered the same mediocre product with
4 different labels and we think we have a choice. Help.
dxAce
dave wrote:
You need help packing for the move, clown 'tard?
RHF
> On 02/21/2011 02:12 AM, Sébastien MEDARD wrote:
>
> > Hello,
>
> > The EU, and member governments ideology is more extreme than in the US....
>
> > Sebastien.
- I doubt that.
- The only place more extreme than this Hell hole
So... Once Again 'Special-Dave' Shows Why He Is
"Special" by Calling the Good Old USA A "Hell Hole".
? The USA Is Extreme !
.
- is Iran or maybe that 'stan where they boil people in oil.
- We are fed propaganda and jingoism all day long.
- We are offered the same mediocre product with
- 4 different labels and we think we have a choice. Help.
'Special-Dave' You Want Help : You Have The Right To
Leave This "Hell Hole" -please-do- ~ RHF
.
Plus 'Special-Dave' time and time again your Posts have
proven NO Libertarian of any stripe -but- an Intolerant Elitist*
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/920c3f7fdd38ee9b
With Liberal-Fascist Tendencies.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/233e20c033dc8d53
.
OMG 'Special-Dave' !
-you-have-become-your-worst-nightmare-
You Have Become Your Father ;;-}} ~ RHF
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dave
>
>
> dave wrote:
>
"In principle, every American citizen has an equal say in our political
process. In practice, of course, some of us are more equal than others.
Billionaires can field armies of lobbyists; they can finance think tanks
that put the desired spin on policy issues; they can funnel cash to
politicians with sympathetic views (as the Koch brothers did in the case
of Mr. Walker). On paper, we’re a one-person-one-vote nation; in
reality, we’re more than a bit of an oligarchy, in which a handful of
wealthy people dominate.
Given this reality, it’s important to have institutions that can act as
counterweights to the power of big money. And unions are among the most
important of these institutions.
You don’t have to love unions, you don’t have to believe that their
policy positions are always right, to recognize that they’re among the
few influential players in our political system representing the
interests of middle- and working-class Americans, as opposed to the
wealthy. Indeed, if America has become more oligarchic and less
democratic over the last 30 years — which it has — that’s to an
important extent due to the decline of private-sector unions."
-nyt krugman yesterday
dxAce
dave wrote:
Poppycock!
RHF
'Special-Dave' : "I got mine, screw the rest of ya!"
Spoken just like a real 100% 'Special-Dave'.
OMG 'Special-Dave' !
-you-have-become-your-worst-nightmare-
You Have Become Your Father ;;-}} ~ RHF
.
'Special-Dave' Calls the USA a "Hell Hole" !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/80d0431e25487439
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Joe from Kokomo
> dave wrote:
>> "In principle, every American citizen has an equal say in our political
>> process. In practice, of course, some of us are more equal than others.
>> Billionaires can field armies of lobbyists; they can finance think tanks
>> that put the desired spin on policy issues; they can funnel cash to
>> politicians with sympathetic views (as the Koch brothers did in the case
>> of Mr. Walker). On paper, we’re a one-person-one-vote nation; in
>> reality, we’re more than a bit of an oligarchy, in which a handful of
>> wealthy people dominate.
>>
>> Given this reality, it’s important to have institutions that can act as
>> counterweights to the power of big money. And unions are among the most
>> important of these institutions.
>>
>> You don’t have to love unions, you don’t have to believe that their
>> policy positions are always right, to recognize that they’re among the
>> few influential players in our political system representing the
>> interests of middle- and working-class Americans, as opposed to the
>> wealthy. Indeed, if America has become more oligarchic and less
>> democratic over the last 30 years — which it has — that’s to an
>> important extent due to the decline of private-sector unions."
>> -nyt krugman yesterday
On 2/21/2011 11:19 AM, dxAce wrote:
> Poppycock!
No 'poppycock' at all. The Wisconsin unions offered financial cuts and
give-backs towards their pensions and health care, but the governor
rejected their offer out of hand.
In the governor's case, the finances had nothing to do with his agenda;
he -does- want to get rid of collective bargaining. The guv wants to
bust unions, pure and simple.
Steve, from your posts here, you appear to be just a little guy, not a
wealthy individual. Why are you so hell-bent on giving away the store to
Big Business?
dxAce
Joe from Kokomo wrote:
Why are YOU so hell-bent on giving away the store to Big Government?
dxAce
Joe from Kokomo wrote:
Why are YOU so hell-bent on giving away the store to Big Government?
Joe from Kokomo
On 2/21/2011 1:12 PM, dxAce wrote:
> Why are YOU so hell-bent on giving away the store to Big Government?
Well, at least Big Government will provide a large variety of services
for its citizens -- libraries, paved roads, traffic lights, fire and
police departments, Social Security, Medicare, etc, etc, etc.
Big Business will grab you by the ankles, turn you upside down and shake
every last nickel out of your pocket. The GREED of Wall Street (Big
Business) brought you the Great Recession that we are in. Big Business,
with a Trillion (with a 'T') dollar, all-time high, record profits, will
not resume hiring. Now that they have down-sized the daylights out of
the work force, they love those record profits that they are getting out
of a reduced work force.
I hope you have and/or can afford medical insurance with YOUR
pre-existing medical condition(s). The Big Business insurance companies
can, have and will again deny coverage to people with pre-existing
conditions.
dxAce
Joe from Kokomo wrote:
Gee, that sure sounds like Big Government!
> The GREED of Wall Street (Big
> Business) brought you the Great Recession that we are in.
Nah, it was the likes of Barney (give it to me in the ass) Frank.
D. Peter Maus
>
> I hope you have and/or can afford medical insurance with YOUR
> pre-existing medical condition(s). The Big Business insurance
> companies can, have and will again deny coverage to people with
> pre-existing conditions.
>
>
Just as the Big Government insurance plan is doing today.
Joe from Kokomo
> On 2/21/11 15:11 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:
>> I hope you [Lare] have and/or can afford medical insurance with YOUR
>> pre-existing medical condition(s). The Big Business insurance
>> companies can, have and will again deny coverage to people with
>> pre-existing conditions.
On 2/21/2011 6:25 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
> Just as the Big Government insurance plan is doing today.
Seeing as the new plan has not yet been implemented, this would presume
that you are referring to what we have 'today' -- Medicare -- which does
NOT deny coverage because of pre-existing conditions.
If you are referring to the new, not yet implemented universal health
care, one of the widely touted features of this plan is that you would
NOT be denied coverage if you had a pre-existing condition.
DP, what you say seems contradictory, could you please 'splain yourself...
RHF
The Simple Fact is that All Employ Benefits* should
be on the Same 50%/50% "PAR" as Social Security
50% Paid by the Employer =&= 50% Paid by the Employee
* Retirement
* Health Coverage & Insurance
* Life Insurance
* Disability Insurance
* etc etc etc . . .
Tax Golden Benefit Union Employees as Excessive
Income that the Employer Pays More Than 50%
Government Employees Benefits Should Be The
Same As Regular Hard Working Average American
Tax Payers :
* Fairness For One Is Fairness For All
* Equality For One Is Equality For All
* End The Excesses of Big Government Give-A-Ways
* Government Employees Work For The People
{The People Do Not Exist To Be Taxed Into Slavery To
Support Excessive Benefits For Government Employees}
Sustainable Benefits =&= Sustainable Taxes ~ RHF
{A Just Society =&= A Justly Taxed Society}
http://tundratabloids.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/lettuce-allah.jpg
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dave
Poppycock you say?
I say phooey! You are a tool.
dave
>>
>> Steve, from your posts here, you appear to be just a little guy, not a
>> wealthy individual. Why are you so hell-bent on giving away the store to
>> Big Business?
>
> Why are YOU so hell-bent on giving away the store to Big Government?
>
The only way the little guy has a chance against big business is to have
a powerful government keeping big business in line. Otherwise you have
people like BP and Goldman Sachs pushing everybody around.
dave
>
>> The GREED of Wall Street (Big
>> Business) brought you the Great Recession that we are in.
>
> Nah, it was the likes of Barney (give it to me in the ass) Frank.
>
Not true. It was actually a handful of people at a handful of
institutions making greedy (and stupid) decisions. 2 acts of Congress,
criminal behavior by Moody's and S&P and some below the radar "waivers"
created a derivatives bubble. Barney Frank just provided the bubble
material. Phil Gramm, Alan Greenspan, Clinton, Geightner, etc. all went
crazy reversing the laws Roosevelt put in place. This is what happens
when business is deregulated.
These people crashed the economy on purpose so they could destroy the
New Deal. We paid off AIG 100 cents to the dollar. Pension plans took a
hit. People were wiped out. The whole time, rich people have been having
their taxes cut. This is wrong. This is how revolts get started.
RHF
Obama-Care© {Big "G" Health Care}
First : They Tax You
Second : They Tax You Some More
Next : They Hand You Your Denial of Benefits Notice
Then : The Free "Death Panel" Counseling
-so-called- 'Voluntary' "End-of-Life"* Planning
http://www.examiner.com/democrat-in-national/obama-death-panels-advance-health-care-directives-and-end-of-life-planning
* Ending Your Life =for= The Good of Society
* * Euthanasia = Obama Liberal 'Elitist' Thinking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia
* * Eugenics = Obama Democrat 'Elitist' Thinking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics
The Obama {Elitist} Health Care Directive : Kill-Off The
Old To Cut the High Cost of Keeping Them Alive :
Pay More Taxes and More Premiums and More Fees
-and- Get Less Care and Less Treatment and Less Help
-cause- Your Death Can Be A Blessing To Society
and that is how 'i' see it ~ RHF
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Gary Forbis
I don't want to be on life care for months without consciousness
or to leave hospital care a functional vegetable. Why do you
not support my right to an informed decision about such matters?
Why must I pay for any advice on such matters out of pocket
rather than to have the councel of my doctor paid by my insurance?
The real death pannels are those of the AZ governer who has
decided some people don't deserve to live because they don't
have the financial wherewithal to have an organ transplant.
arthr...@webtv.net
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Reminds me of the 'Barney Song' .
arthr...@webtv.net
This time -- you are right . And MORE .
RHF
* * * Let The Truth Be Told * * *
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> An advanced directive is something one chooses for oneself.
More Liberal Lies !
.
> I don't want to be on life care for months without consciousness
More Democrat Deceptions !
.
> or to leave hospital care a functional vegetable. Why do you
More Liberal Lies !
.
> not support my right to an informed decision about such matters?
More Democrat Deceptions !
.
> Why must I pay for any advice on such matters out of pocket
More Liberal Lies !
.
> rather than to have the councel of my doctor paid by my insurance?
More Democrat Deceptions !
.
> The real death pannels are those of the AZ governer who has
More Liberal Lies !
.
> decided some people don't deserve to live because they don't
More Democrat Deceptions !
.
> have the financial wherewithal to have an organ transplant.
When the The Liberal-Democrat Elitist come into your
Room {your Parent's Room and your Grandparents'
Room} and Place the Boot of their Fascist Jack-Boot
on Your Private Parts and Tell You To Sign :
IN THE NAME OF THE OBAMA ! {You Will Die or Sign}
.
-ps- either outcome is good in the name of the obama
.
Obama-Nism© = Death-By-Obama !
{The Cult of Obama = The Cult of the Greater Good}
A Society : Of The Elite; By The Elite & For The Elite
Bring-Down 'The Obama' = One Nation Under God
{Not Overlorded by the Obama}
Say NO To Mubarak =&= Barack Hussein Obama !
Say NO To Gaddafi =&= Barack Hussein Obama !
Say NO To Ben Ali =&= Barack Hussein Obama !
Say NO To Saleh =&= Barack Hussein Obama !
Say NO To Assad =&= Barack Hussein Obama !
Say NO To Abdullah =&= Barack Hussein Obama !
Say NO To Royal Families =&= Barack Hussein Obama !
First : Impeach BHO Now For Being "B*O" [.]
Second : Vote "B*H" Out In 2012 ! ! !
.
Just Say "NO" To Obama 'Death Panels'
Impeach Obama Now !
Just Say "NO" To Obama in 2012 [.]
.
WHY IMPEACH PREZ-A-DUNTZ "BO" {Obama}
Prez Obama's : Weakness & Inaptness & Not Being
A Strong Leader Has/Is/Will Directly Cause These
Governments To Fall
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/9df331843da7171f
.
WHY VOTE PREZ-A-DUNTZ "BO" {Obama} OUT IN 2012
Obama Is Eight-Times [8X] Worse That Carter :
Weak & Inapt & No Strong Leader
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/bec9611a59020153
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WHAT WRONG WITH PREZ-A-DUNTZ "BO" {Obama}
Americans-R-Us : Just Say "NO" To Obama-UN-Ism©
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/4a1a33c44745787b
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D. Peter Maus
>
>> On 2/21/11 15:11 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:
>
>>> I hope you [Lare] have and/or can afford medical insurance with YOUR
>>> pre-existing medical condition(s). The Big Business insurance
>>> companies can, have and will again deny coverage to people with
>>> pre-existing conditions.
>
> On 2/21/2011 6:25 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
>
>> Just as the Big Government insurance plan is doing today.
>
> Seeing as the new plan has not yet been implemented, this would
> presume that you are referring to what we have 'today' -- Medicare
> -- which does NOT deny coverage because of pre-existing conditions.
>
Government medical plans, of any stripe turn down more
pre-existing conditions than all the insurance carriers combined.
D Peter Maus
>
{stipulated}...
Just out of idle curiosity, what kind of antenna system do you use?
Gary Forbis
> More Liberal Lies !
> More Democrat Deceptions !
> More Liberal Lies !
> More Democrat Deceptions !
> More Liberal Lies !
> More Democrat Deceptions !
> More Liberal Lies !
> More Democrat Deceptions !
I can't tell if you are an idiot or are just playing one.
You know that there is enough noise around here
without someone playing mind games, stupid mind games.
dxAce
dave wrote:
> On 02/21/2011 02:12 PM, dxAce wrote:
>
> >
> >> The GREED of Wall Street (Big
> >> Business) brought you the Great Recession that we are in.
> >
> > Nah, it was the likes of Barney (give it to me in the ass) Frank.
> >
>
> Not true. It was actually a handful of people at a handful of
> institutions making greedy (and stupid) decisions. 2 acts of Congress,
> criminal behavior by Moody's and S&P and some below the radar "waivers"
> created a derivatives bubble. Barney Frank just provided the bubble
> material. Phil Gramm, Alan Greenspan, Clinton, Geightner, etc. all went
> crazy reversing the laws Roosevelt put in place. This is what happens
> when business is deregulated.
>
> These people crashed the economy on purpose so they could destroy the
> New Deal.
Take your meds, Dave, and revel in the knowledge that you are a Golden
Come-Along Winner!
dxAce
Winner, and certainly deserve the best!
dave
>
> The Obama {Elitist} Health Care Directive : Kill-Off The
> Old To Cut the High Cost of Keeping Them Alive :
> Pay More Taxes and More Premiums and More Fees
> -and- Get Less Care and Less Treatment and Less Help
> -cause- Your Death Can Be A Blessing To Society
>
You are an embarrassment. Our current health care system kills 50,000
people a year. Minimum. And those are just the ones that never see the
inside of a doctor's office until it's too late.
You support doctors gaming the system while denying people care, so that
only the most profitable medicine is practiced? You think people should
get rich from other people getting sick? No moral issues there?
dave
>>
>
> Government medical plans, of any stripe turn down more pre-existing
> conditions than all the insurance carriers combined.
>
What do you mean "turn down more pre-existing
conditions"? Are you saying people with chronic conditions are denied
coverage? That is not my understanding. Medicare is like group health
insurance; they have to cover you.
dave
two verticals 66 feet apart
dave
>
>> These people crashed the economy on purpose so they could destroy the
>> New Deal.
>
> Take your meds, Dave, and revel in the knowledge that you are a Golden
> Come-Along Winner!
>
I've been spot on so far, and you continue to be wrong and against the
people.
http://www.wordspy.com/words/starvethebeast.asp
dave
> We're so thrilled that you got yours, Dave. After all you are a Golden Come-Along
> Winner, and certainly deserve the best!
>
>
>
The header is me quoting you.
dxAce
dave wrote:
> On 02/22/2011 01:23 AM, dxAce wrote:
> >
>
> >> These people crashed the economy on purpose so they could destroy the
> >> New Deal.
> >
> > Take your meds, Dave, and revel in the knowledge that you are a Golden
> > Come-Along Winner!
> >
>
> I've been spot on so far, and you continue to be wrong and against the
> people.
You continue to be full of shit, Rickmers.
dxAce
dave wrote:
> On 02/21/2011 11:27 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
>
> >>
> >
> > Government medical plans, of any stripe turn down more pre-existing
> > conditions than all the insurance carriers combined.
> >
>
> What do you mean "turn down more pre-existing
> conditions"? Are you saying people with chronic conditions are denied
> coverage? That is not my understanding.
Your problem is that you simply lack understanding and comprehension.
You are a mentally ill clown 'tard and it is you who need the voluntary
counselling.
Now go take your meds, Rickmers, and shut the hell up!
Drooling Idiot
Lets not forget that when George "the Greatest Prez Ever" Bush was Governor
of Texas he signed the "Texas Advanced Directives Law" that brought the
life of Sun Hudson to an end after 6-months, because it wasn't
"economically feasible" to continue his respirator. MORE evidence that
rightards who love fetuses couldn't give a shit about them once they are
born.
dave
Why are you always so pleasant? Old lady cut you off? ED? Too fat to
find to find your penis?
Joe from Kokomo
> On 2/21/11 18:42 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/21/11 15:11 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:
>>
>>>> I hope you [Lare] have and/or can afford medical insurance with YOUR
>>>> pre-existing medical condition(s). The Big Business insurance
>>>> companies can, have and will again deny coverage to people with
>>>> pre-existing conditions.
>>
>> On 2/21/2011 6:25 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
>>
>>> Just as the Big Government insurance plan is doing today.
>>
>> Seeing as the new plan has not yet been implemented, this would
>> presume that you are referring to what we have 'today' -- Medicare
>> -- which does NOT deny coverage because of pre-existing conditions.
On 2/22/2011 2:27 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
> Government medical plans, of any stripe turn down more pre-existing
> conditions than all the insurance carriers combined.
Can you give any examples of this -- or just 'urban legend'? What
specific "Government medical planS" (plural) are you referring to other
than Medicare? (although if not overtly stated before, I believe this
discussion was focused on either Medicare or the yet to be implemented
new government plan).
The only "Government medical plan" that I know of is Medicare. Like many
old geezers, at this stage in life, I have a few "pre-existing
conditions" and when I went on Medicare, I was truly amazed at how
transparent and seamless the transition to Medicare was. And no, none of
my pre-existing conditions were an issue under Medicare.
dave
> dave<da...@dave.dave> wrote:
>> You support doctors gaming the system while denying people care, so that
>> only the most profitable medicine is practiced? You think people should
>> get rich from other people getting sick? No moral issues there?
>
> Lets not forget that when George "the Greatest Prez Ever" Bush was Governor
> of Texas he signed the "Texas Advanced Directives Law" that brought the
> life of Sun Hudson to an end after 6-months, because it wasn't
> "economically feasible" to continue his respirator. MORE evidence that
> rightards who love fetuses couldn't give a shit about them once they are
> born.
The righties give themselves away when they accuse their opposition of
doing weird off the wall stuff. They are "turning things around" they
call it. Just lie and say the other guy is doing what you're actually
guilty of.
If they talk "death panels" it's because they do "death panels".
Luckily the people are waking up. Fascists always lose once the people
wake up.
D. Peter Maus
>
>> On 2/21/11 18:42 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/21/11 15:11 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I hope you [Lare] have and/or can afford medical insurance with
>>>>> YOUR
>>>>> pre-existing medical condition(s). The Big Business insurance
>>>>> companies can, have and will again deny coverage to people with
>>>>> pre-existing conditions.
>>>
>>> On 2/21/2011 6:25 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just as the Big Government insurance plan is doing today.
>>>
>>> Seeing as the new plan has not yet been implemented, this would
>>> presume that you are referring to what we have 'today' -- Medicare
>>> -- which does NOT deny coverage because of pre-existing conditions.
>
> On 2/22/2011 2:27 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
>
>> Government medical plans, of any stripe turn down more pre-existing
>> conditions than all the insurance carriers combined.
>
> Can you give any examples of this
You don't spend any time talking to veterans, do you.
dxAce
dave wrote:
'to find to find' ?
Slow down, take a breath, and grab those meds, Rickmers!
Joe from Kokomo
> On 2/21/11 15:11 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:
On 2/22/2011 2:41 AM, D Peter Maus wrote:
> {stipulated}...
>
>
>
> Just out of idle curiosity, what kind of antenna system do you use?
Just an idle answer...
I have a 130 foot long, 25-30 foot high, bent dipole between two trees,
fed with ladder line, used on 80-10 (including WARC bands) with a
Johnson KW Matchbox balanced tuner. On 160 meters, I reconfigure the
antenna to what is essentially a top loaded vertical, using a T-match
tuner.
Obviously not as good as a tower and beam, but I work lots o' DX with
it, for example the VK0IR (Heard Island) dx'pedition and North Korea.
(If you are not a ham, trust me, these are nice catches). Needless to
say, it also works nicely for SWL'ing with my vintage receivers.
A tower would be nice, but not worth the hassle of dealing with the
(overly) strict city and subdivision restrictions.
D. Peter Maus
I was speaking with a ham buddy of mine, over the weekend, and he
recommended such an antenna for low noise and great digging in
crowded bands. And particularly for MW Dx. I'm tempted to do it here.
Which vintage receivers are you using?
Joe from Kokomo
On 2/22/2011 8:45 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
> You don't spend any time talking to veterans, do you.
No, I've had neither the occasion nor the opportunity. Furthermore, I
have no idea what "medical plan" the vets are under. Possibly you are
referring to the Agent Orange issue or the spent uranium bullets? If so,
the root problem may be that the science just hasn't caught up yet --
although I seem to recall that they are finally realizing some of the
Agent Orange issues. My son did his Residency at a VA hospital, so
I will have to ask him about this.
Again however, I believe this thread was essentially focused on Medicare
-- which is MUCH larger than the vet issue -- and with Medicare,
pre-existing conditions do NOT appear to be a problem.
>> On 2/22/2011 2:27 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
>>
>>> Government medical plans, of any stripe turn down more
>>> pre-existing conditions than all the insurance carriers
>>> combined.
Turn down more than ALL insurance carriers combined??? Can you justify
this claim? Any actual numbers?
D. Peter Maus
> On 2/22/2011 8:45 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
>
>> You don't spend any time talking to veterans, do you.
>
> No, I've had neither the occasion nor the opportunity.
You may wish to take the time.
dave
Oh do go on...
m II
Hash: SHA1
On 11-02-22 06:42 AM, dave wrote:
> Why are you always so pleasant? Old lady cut you off? ED? Too fat to
> find to find your penis?
It was surgically altered and then tucked in, all the better to
participate in his weekly homosexual 'respect' sessions.
His name 'Raoul' sound like him gagging on a whole throat full of 'respect'.
mike
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dave
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/21/947947/-The-Koch-Brothers-End-Game-in-Wisconsin
m II
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Is the welfare leech giving you a rough time, dave? Funny how HIS 'free'
medical is different from anything proposed for others.
mike
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cuh...@webtv.net
http://www.lug-all.com
We will paint it Gold color for you for a few extra dollars.
cuhulin, Come A Longs R US
m II
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On 11-02-21 09:19 AM, dxAce wrote:
> Poppycock!
Reminiscing about your first sexual experience?
mike
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RHF
> On Feb 21, 10:42 pm, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > More Liberal Lies !
> > More Democrat Deceptions !
> > More Liberal Lies !
> > More Democrat Deceptions !
> > More Liberal Lies !
> > More Democrat Deceptions !
> > More Liberal Lies !
> > More Democrat Deceptions !
- I can't tell if you are an idiot or are just playing one.
- You know that there is enough noise around here
- without someone playing mind games, stupid mind games.
Gary Forbis : ? "idiot" ?
Gary Forbis : ? "stupid" ?
Gary Forbis : ? "mind games" ?
.
- - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
[>: To Liberal-Fascist {Democrat} Name Calling :<]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When An Ever So Super-Smart "Enlightened" Liberal
Democrat Socialist Starts Fascist Name Calling*.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/318979fbe8546cfa
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional
+ Plus They Often Snip/Delete What You Wrote :
To Disguise Their Complete Inability To Carry The
Argument Forward. -that-is-how-i-see-it- ~ RHF©
.
.
-the-edited-snipped-message-post-was-
The Free Obama-Care© 'Death Panel' Counseling
-wrt- Coerced "Ending-Your-Life" Mandate
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/4e90c84391e1d38e
* Ending Your Life =for= The Good of Society
* * Euthanasia = Obama Liberal 'Elitist' Thinking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia
* * Eugenics = Obama Democrat 'Elitist' Thinking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics
.
Bring-Down 'The Obama' = One Nation Under God
{Not Overlorded by the Obama}
Say NO To Mubarak =&= Barack Hussein Obama !
Say NO To Gaddafi =&= Barack Hussein Obama !
Say NO To Ben Ali =&= Barack Hussein Obama !
Say NO To Saleh =&= Barack Hussein Obama !
Say NO To Assad =&= Barack Hussein Obama !
Say NO To Abdullah =&= Barack Hussein Obama !
Say NO To Royal Families =&= Barack Hussein Obama !
.
First : IMPEACH Prez Obama Now For Being "B*O" [.]
Re-New America's Hope and Change !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/4e90c84391e1d38e
-give-the-boot-to-prez-obama-now-for-bo's-failures-
.
Second : VOTE Prez "B*O" Out In 2012 ! ! !
Real Hope and Change for America !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/4e90c84391e1d38e
-give-the-boot-to-prez-obama-in-2012-for-bo's-failures-
.
.
Baracking© Clowning "BO" don't use Obama use "BO"
Baracking© Prez "BO" don't use Obama use "BO"
Baracking© Prez-A-Duntz "BO" don't use Obama use "BO"
Baracking© President "BO" don't use Obama use "BO"
-wrt-Prez Bush [GWB] being called "Shrub" "Dubya" "W" "Bushit"
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushaka.htm
.
The Baracking© of Prez Obama and the Obama-Regime©
has begun : Bring-on the Ugly Dogs of Fear and Hate !
-wrt- Baracking© - Shouting the Liberal Democrat Left's
Hateful and Divisive Rhetoric* Back-In-Their-Face
* Rules for Radicals in the Hands of Conservatives
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals
Baracking© = Obama-Bashing© = Blaming Prez Obama !
.
.
dxAce
I'm a dumbass Canuck II wrote:
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> On 11-02-22 06:42 AM, dave wrote:
>
> > Why are you always so pleasant? Old lady cut you off? ED? Too fat to
> > find to find your penis?
>
> It was surgically altered and then tucked in, all the better to
> participate in his weekly homosexual 'respect' sessions.
>
> His name 'Raoul' sound like him gagging on a whole throat full of 'respect'.
That sound echo's throughout the logging camp when you are there giving out
'favours', right, boy?
Joe from Kokomo
> On 2/22/11 07:55 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/21/11 15:11 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:
>>
>> On 2/22/2011 2:41 AM, D Peter Maus wrote:
>>
>>> {stipulated}...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just out of idle curiosity, what kind of antenna system do you use?
>>
>> Just an idle answer...
>>
>> I have a 130 foot long, 25-30 foot high, bent dipole between two
>> trees, fed with ladder line, used on 80-10 (including WARC bands)
>> with a Johnson KW Matchbox balanced tuner. On 160 meters, I
>> reconfigure the antenna to what is essentially a top loaded
>> vertical, using a T-match tuner.
>>
>> Obviously not as good as a tower and beam, but I work lots o' DX
>> with it, for example the VK0IR (Heard Island) dx'pedition and North
>> Korea. (If you are not a ham, trust me, these are nice catches).
>> Needless to say, it also works nicely for SWL'ing with my vintage
>> receivers.
>>
>> A tower would be nice, but not worth the hassle of dealing with the
>> (overly) strict city and subdivision restrictions.
On 2/22/2011 9:06 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
> I was speaking with a ham buddy of mine, over the weekend, and he
> recommended such an antenna for low noise and great digging in crowded
> bands. And particularly for MW Dx. I'm tempted to do it here.
Well, it won't hurt to try it...
Your buddy says it is a quiet antenna. Compared to what? It is commonly
acknowledged that noise is more vertically polarized and thus a vertical
antenna is a bit noisier than a horizontal antenna like a dipole. I
really don't think the dipole I described is any quieter than any other
dipole AFAIK.
The reason I used the antenna was mostly because of its benefits when
transmitting. With the tuner and the ladder line feed, it will operate
on many bands with relatively low line loss. For SWL'ing, I'm not sure
if it would have any particular benefit.
> Which vintage receivers are you using?
I've had many over the years, from an R-390 on down, but now that I am
at the Gateway to Geezerdom, I've been trying to thin out the herd. The
current fleet:
1912 Loose Coupler crystal set
circa 1921 Westinghouse Aeriola Jr. (crystal set, first mass produced
radio?)
circa early 30s National SW-3 Thrill Box (regen)
two Hallicrafters SX-28s--just in case owning one doesn't stretch your
arms enough-- 80 pounds each.
Drake T-4XB and R-4B
bpnjensen
> dave wrote:
> > On 02/21/2011 02:12 PM, dxAce wrote:
>
> > >> The GREED of Wall Street (Big
> > >> Business) brought you the Great Recession that we are in.
>
> > > Nah, it was the likes of Barney (give it to me in the ass) Frank.
>
> > Not true. It was actually a handful of people at a handful of
> > institutions making greedy (and stupid) decisions. 2 acts of Congress,
> > criminal behavior by Moody's and S&P and some below the radar "waivers"
> > created a derivatives bubble. Barney Frank just provided the bubble
> > material. Phil Gramm, Alan Greenspan, Clinton, Geightner, etc. all went
> > crazy reversing the laws Roosevelt put in place. This is what happens
> > when business is deregulated.
>
> > These people crashed the economy on purpose so they could destroy the
> > New Deal.
>
> Come-Along Winner!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Sorry, chum - Dave's right both in general and in detail, and
demonstrably so. You need to get your information somewhere other
than Fox Screws.
bpnjensen
It's a Conservative thing - people don't count, only $$$$$$$$$$$.
bpnjensen
Nope, he's correct. You need to read a real newspaper once in awhile.
bpnjensen
When are you going to offer something of substance instead of insults?
D. Peter Maus
It may be more a matter of it being a good antenna than what he
was previously using. A lot of random cuts, a Windom, and some
twinlead dipoles have been on his property in the past.
>
> The reason I used the antenna was mostly because of its benefits
> when transmitting. With the tuner and the ladder line feed, it will
> operate on many bands with relatively low line loss. For SWL'ing,
> I'm not sure if it would have any particular benefit.
>
>> Which vintage receivers are you using?
>
> I've had many over the years, from an R-390 on down, but now that I
> am at the Gateway to Geezerdom, I've been trying to thin out the
> herd. The current fleet:
>
> 1912 Loose Coupler crystal set
>
> circa 1921 Westinghouse Aeriola Jr. (crystal set, first mass
> produced radio?)
>
> circa early 30s National SW-3 Thrill Box (regen)
>
> two Hallicrafters SX-28s--just in case owning one doesn't stretch
> your arms enough-- 80 pounds each.
>
> Drake T-4XB and R-4B
>
I still have and use my grandfather's Hammarlund BC-794 Super
Pro. Got your SX-28 beat by a 39 lb power supply. :)
I've always wanted an SX-28. Never found one that hadn't been cut
to shards by a previous owner.
Nice stable.
>
bpnjensen
> On 2/21/11 15:11 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:
>
>
>
> > pre-existing medical condition(s). The Big Business insurance
> > companies can, have and will again deny coverage to people with
> > pre-existing conditions.
>
From Wikipedia:
The Commonwealth Fund, in its annual survey, "Mirror, Mirror on the
Wall", compares the performance of the health care systems in
Australia, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, Germany, Canada and the
U.S. Its 2007 study found that, although the U.S. system is the most
expensive, it consistently under-performs compared to the other
countries.[15] One difference between the U.S. and the other countries
in the study is that the U.S. is the only country without universal
health insurance coverage.
The Commonwealth Fund completed its thirteenth annual health policy
survey in 2010.[16] A study of the survey "found significant
differences in access, cost burdens, and problems with health
insurance that are associated with insurance design".[16] Of the
countries surveyed, the results indicated that people in the United
States had more out-of-pocket expenses, more disputes with insurance
companies than other countries, and more insurance payments denied;
paperwork was also higher although Germany had similarly high levels
of paperwork.[16]
bpnjensen
> On 02/21/2011 11:27 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
>
>
>
> > Government medical plans, of any stripe turn down more pre-existing
> > conditions than all the insurance carriers combined.
>
> What do you mean "turn down more pre-existing
> conditions"? Are you saying people with chronic conditions are denied
> insurance; they have to cover you.
Again, from Wkipedia:
"The Commonwealth Fund, in its annual survey, "Mirror, Mirror on the
Wall", compares the performance of the health care systems in
Australia, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, Germany, Canada and the
U.S. Its 2007 study found that, although the U.S. system is the most
expensive, it consistently under-performs compared to the other
countries.[15] One difference between the U.S. and the other countries
in the study is that the U.S. is the only country without universal
health insurance coverage.
The Commonwealth Fund completed its thirteenth annual health policy
survey in 2010.[16] A study of the survey "found significant
differences in access, cost burdens, and problems with health
insurance that are associated with insurance design".[16] Of the
countries surveyed, the results indicated that people in the United
States had more out-of-pocket expenses, more disputes with insurance
companies than other countries, and more insurance payments denied;
paperwork was also higher although Germany had similarly high levels
of paperwork.[16]"
I presume that this information is available in more detail, and I'll
keep looking.
dave
>
> When are you going to offer something of substance instead of insults?
The thing that annoys me about most religious people and Republicans is
their complete refusal to consider that maybe, just maybe, they might
not have everything quite correctly sussed. That unflinching absolute
certitude is scary to a scientific mind.
bpnjensen
...or any logical mind, for that matter.
dxAce
bpnjensen wrote:
Sorry, Dave is incorrect. You need to get your information somewhere other than
your DNC handlers.
dxAce
bpnjensen wrote:
As soon as you and Rickmers offer something of substance rather than your
obviously Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist twaddle.
dxAce
bpnjensen wrote:
The Fund is currently led by president Karen Davis, a nationally recognized
progressive economist....
"Progressive", the new code word for Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist.
Your survey is poppycock.
dxAce
bpnjensen wrote:
Actually the people do count, and the people have spoken at the polling place.
The people want change in Wisconsin, and they'll get it.
The people want change in Indiana, and they'll get it.
The people want change in Ohio, and they'll get it.
The people want change in Michigan, and they'll get it.
The list goes on.
Twenty six states have sued the Federal Government over health care, and
they'll get change.
A Federal Judge has ruled 'Obamacare' to be unconstitutional, yet the Obama
Regime continues to implement it. Boy, there's gonna be some change coming.
A prominent talk show host this afternoon intimated that before this is all
over there'll be some bloodshed.
As I stated a while ago, the revolution has begun, the people have woken up,
and are not going to be bullied by union thugs, not going to be bullied by
Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist politicians, and are not going to be
bullied by Big Government.
D. Peter Maus
>
>
> bpnjensen wrote:
>
>> On Feb 22, 5:30 am, dave<d...@dave.dave> wrote:
>>> On 02/22/2011 01:23 AM, dxAce wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> These people crashed the economy on purpose so they could destroy the
>>>>> New Deal.
>>>
>>>> Take your meds, Dave, and revel in the knowledge that you are a Golden
>>>> Come-Along Winner!
>>>
>>> I've been spot on so far, and you continue to be wrong and against the
>>> people.
>>>
>>> http://www.wordspy.com/words/starvethebeast.asp
>>
>> It's a Conservative thing - people don't count, only $$$$$$$$$$$.
>
> Actually the people do count, and the people have spoken at the polling place.
>
> The people want change in Wisconsin, and they'll get it.
>
> The people want change in Indiana, and they'll get it.
>
> The people want change in Ohio, and they'll get it.
>
> The people want change in Michigan, and they'll get it.
>
> The list goes on.
>
> Twenty six states have sued the Federal Government over health care, and
> they'll get change.
>
> A Federal Judge has ruled 'Obamacare' to be unconstitutional, yet the Obama
> Regime continues to implement it. Boy, there's gonna be some change coming.
>
> A prominent talk show host this afternoon intimated that before this is all
> over there'll be some bloodshed.
This is not the first time I've heard this mentioned. In casual
conversations, I've heard talk of revolution, if there isn't an
accounting after the election.
At his victory gathering in Grant Park the first words out of
Obiteme's mouth were, "Change has come to America."
Prophetic. Profound. And very likely far more reaching than he
ever could have envisioned.
Joe from Kokomo
> Sorry, Dave is incorrect. You need to get your information somewhere other than
> your DNC handlers.
And YOU need to get your information from somewhere other than Rush
'Oxycontin' Limpballs, the Nazi gas bag that gets paid $50 million
dollars to shill for Big Business. ;-)
C'mon Steve, you're just a little working class guy like the rest of us.
Why are you getting in bed with the greedy rich bastards?
P.S.
I truly don't remember the country being *this* divided during the reign
of Bush Senior OR Clinton. It seemed to start with Bush Jr, possibly
because of his two wars. And make no mistake, this country is truly,
seriously divided, probably more so than any time since the Civil War.
Heck of a job, George W.
P.P.S.
It does indeed look like actual class warfare -- and Wisconsin is the
opening battle.
Speaking of Wisconsin, why doesn't Governor Walker man up and have the
balls to admit his main goal is to bust the unions.
1) Walker said it is (and continues to be) economic.
2) The unions said they would give him the economic concessions he wanted.
3) Walker turned them down cold.
Ergo, it -wasn't- economic after all and Walker is not being honest with
us (as in lying).
Per back issues of the Milwaukee Journal, when Walker was the county
exec for Milwaukee County, he fired all the union security guards and
replaced them with guards from Wackenhut, a BRITISH company (thanks for
getting rid of those Wisconsin jobs). Then an independent auditor ruled
that he illegally fired the original guards and that they had to be
re-hired, with back pay, costing the county $500,000. I'm seeing a
pattern here: Walker seems to have a major league grudge against unions.
Walker also said to the 14 Dems in the Wisconsin legislature "Come back
and we will debate it". Then he said the whole issue is totally
non-negotiable. So, Guv, if it's *non-negotiable*, what's to debate, hmmm?
And while we are on the subject of Wisconsin politicians putting their
foot in their mouths, Rep. Paul Ryan went on national TV and said the
people in Madison were RIOTING.
Either he is incompetent (does not understand the meaning of the word
"rioting") or is just flat out lying. If he watched even 5 minutes of
the Madison TV coverage, he would have seen it was about as peaceful as
it could be.
m II
Hash: SHA1
On 11-02-22 03:49 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
>> A Federal Judge has ruled 'Obamacare' to be unconstitutional, yet the
>> Obama
>> Regime continues to implement it. Boy, there's gonna be some change
>> coming.
>>
>> A prominent talk show host this afternoon intimated that before this
>> is all
>> over there'll be some bloodshed.
>
> This is not the first time I've heard this mentioned. In casual
> conversations, I've heard talk of revolution, if there isn't an
> accounting after the election.
>
> At his victory gathering in Grant Park the first words out of Obiteme's
> mouth were, "Change has come to America."
>
> Prophetic. Profound. And very likely far more reaching than he ever
> could have envisioned.
>
Shooting more Democrats? I thought you said the last time was done by a
crazy person, not a radio talk show instigator. Palin and her cross
hairs must have been more than you were letting on.
Once the fruitcakes on the fringes start shooting at each other,
democracy in the US will cease to be...at least what little there is
left of it after the Patriot Act was brought in.
Rumour has it that the Act was composed and complete, ready to go, some
months before the Twin Towers.
mike
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dave
> Prophetic. Profound. And very likely far more reaching than he ever
> could have envisioned.
>
Dream on.
[An army of 3 dozen 400 pound ditto-heads crests the hill, wheezing]
dave
> Shooting more Democrats? I thought you said the last time was done by a
> crazy person, not a radio talk show instigator. Palin and her cross
> hairs must have been more than you were letting on.
>
> Once the fruitcakes on the fringes start shooting at each other,
> democracy in the US will cease to be...at least what little there is
> left of it after the Patriot Act was brought in.
>
> Rumour has it that the Act was composed and complete, ready to go, some
> months before the Twin Towers.
>
> mike
Some parts of the Patriot Act were written by John Mitchell. They passed
a wish list, not a plan.
m II
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Careful, their Supreme Commander frequents this very newsgroup and will
get revenge by mentioning his alleged dad's appendage yet again. It's
been on his mind a lot these last few days. He's probably lonely.
mike
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dxAce
Joe from Kokomo wrote:
> On 2/22/2011 5:10 PM, dxAce wrote:
>
> > Sorry, Dave is incorrect. You need to get your information somewhere other than
> > your DNC handlers.
>
> And YOU need to get your information from somewhere other than Rush
> 'Oxycontin' Limpballs, the Nazi gas bag that gets paid $50 million
> dollars to shill for Big Business. ;-)
>
> C'mon Steve, you're just a little working class guy like the rest of us.
> Why are you getting in bed with the greedy rich bastards?
Why are you getting in bed with the Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialsts?
And who are the greedy rich bastards? Those who make and sell products and/or
services that you can decline to purchase by personal choice, or, those who will
steal your money via taxation, and, if you refuse to pay can come and confiscate your
worldly possessions by way of force/law?
dave
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO1102/S00800/why-monsanto-always-wins.htm
??
Joe from Kokomo
>
>
> Joe from Kokomo wrote:
>
>> On 2/22/2011 5:10 PM, dxAce wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, Dave is incorrect. You need to get your information somewhere other than
>>> your DNC handlers.
>>
>> And YOU need to get your information from somewhere other than Rush
>> 'Oxycontin' Limpballs, the Nazi gas bag that gets paid $50 million
>> dollars to shill for Big Business. ;-)
>>
>> C'mon Steve, you're just a little working class guy like the rest of us.
>> Why are you getting in bed with the greedy rich bastards?
On 2/22/2011 8:01 PM, dxAce wrote:
> Why are you getting in bed with the Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialsts?
>
> And who are the greedy rich bastards? Those who make and sell products and/or
> services that you can decline to purchase by personal choice, or, those who will
> steal your money via taxation, and, if you refuse to pay can come and confiscate your
> worldly possessions by way of force/law?
Have you ever heard of the phrase "checks and balances"?
Do your homework, review the auto companies of the 1930s, before the
unions came into being. There was a very good reason why the unions were
needed, namely Capital's rampant abuse of Labor.
Unions have had their share of excesses, as has Big Business (witness
the current Great Recession, courtesy of Big Business greed). You NEED
checks and balances. If the Repubs get their way and make the unions
disappear, there will be no protection for labor, nothing, NOTHING to
balance runaway greed.
It's that simple -- unions, even with their imperfections, are needed to
balance the greed of Capital. Again, do your homework and find out about
all the abuses that took place before unions.
Finally, you complain about "those who will steal your money via
taxation". What are you saying? That you don't want taxes at all? That
you only want some taxes? How much is too much? I don't know about you,
but I -like- our libraries, paved roads, traffic lights, police and fire
departments, all paid for by taxes. I presume your disability benefits
are helpful to you. You can be against taxes, but make sure you don't
shoot yourself in the foot.
Gary Forbis
> On Feb 22, 12:34 am, Gary Forbis <forbisga...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 21, 10:42 pm, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > > More Liberal Lies !
> > > More Democrat Deceptions !
> > > More Liberal Lies !
> > > More Democrat Deceptions !
> > > More Liberal Lies !
> > > More Democrat Deceptions !
> > > More Liberal Lies !
> > > More Democrat Deceptions !
>
> - I can't tell if you are an idiot or are just playing one.
> - You know that there is enough noise around here
> - without someone playing mind games, stupid mind games.
>
> Gary Forbis : ? "idiot" ?
>
> Gary Forbis : ? "stupid" ?
>
> Gary Forbis : ? "mind games" ?
> .
> - - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
> [>: To Liberal-Fascist {Democrat} Name Calling :<]
> ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
> When An Ever So Super-Smart "Enlightened" Liberal
> * They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional
> + Plus They Often Snip/Delete What You Wrote :
> To Disguise Their Complete Inability To Carry The
> Argument Forward. -that-is-how-i-see-it- ~ RHF©
And yet I didn't snip what you wrote, I snipped what I wrote.
How does that play? I will reply in kind. If that's an indication
of "Winning An Argument" then I have won. But winning a silly
argument isn't my goal. I come here to inform and be informed.
The only arguments I care about are logical argument, that is
from premis to conclusion.
See it any way you wish. You have my permission.
arthr...@webtv.net
>
> - Show quoted text -
It is called Foxy News . They are missing a lot of Screws . And Nuts .
And Washers .
arthr...@webtv.net
This was very well known for many years . It is exactly what the bio-
medical and insurance mafia has fought against for a very long time .
cuh...@webtv.net
channel.I saw those Magic Jacks for sale yesterday in that Dangerous
Walmart store.I don't want, nor do I need a stupid Magic Jack.
cuhulin
RHF
- - On 02/21/2011 05:57 PM, RHF wrote:
- - The Obama {Elitist} Health Care Directive : Kill-Off The
- - Old To Cut the High Cost of Keeping Them Alive :
- - Pay More Taxes and More Premiums and More Fees
- - -and- Get Less Care and Less Treatment and Less Help
- - -cause- Your Death Can Be A Blessing To Society
- You are an embarrassment. Our current health care system kills
50,000
- people a year. Minimum. And those are just the ones that never see
the
- inside of a doctor's office until it's too late.
-
- You support doctors gaming the system while denying people care, so
that
- only the most profitable medicine is practiced? You think people
should
- get rich from other people getting sick? No moral issues there?
'Special-Dave' and just how many will be . . .
"Sentenced-to-Death" Daily, Weekly, Monthly,
Yearly By The Obama-Care© 'Death Panels' ? ? ?
Using Abortions* as an American (USA) Societal Index
{Benchmark} with around Two (2) Million a Year : We
Can Expect That : Around 380 Thousand Americans
per Year will be Killed-Off by the Obama-Care© 'Death
Panels'. -based-on- The Number of Baby-Boomers
Coming To The Last Years of Their Lives -wrt- The
76 Million over 20 Years = 3.8 Million per Year Facing
the Last Year with 1-in-10 {10%} being Processed by
the Obama-Care© 'Death Panels' ! ! ! -and- Being Given
a Death Sentence versus Medical Treatment : That's
380 Thousand {380, 000} Americans per Year for the
Next 20-Years
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_boomer
! THAT'S MASSIVE EUTHANASIA ON A NATIONAL SCALE !
{Execution-By-Neglect & Death-by-Denial-of-Medical-Treatment}
Potentially 380 Thousand per Year {Death by Obama-Care©}
-and- Over 30 Thousand per Month {Death by Obama-Care©}
-around- One Thousand per Day {Death by Obama-Care©}
.
* Between 2000 and 2008, another 15 Million Abortions
have been done; again mostly Minority and Poor Women.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/ddd113491defdfae
.
The Free Obama-Care© 'Death Panel' Counseling
-wrt- Coerced "Ending-Your-Life" Mandate
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/4e90c84391e1d38e
* Ending Your Life =for= The Good of Society
* * Euthanasia = Obama Liberal 'Elitist' Thinking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia
* * Eugenics = Obama Democrat 'Elitist' Thinking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics
.
First : IMPEACH Prez Obama Now For Being "B*O" [.]
Re-New America's Hope and Change !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/1f04ef7c173c8a39
-give-the-boot-to-prez-obama-now-for-bo's-failures-
.
Second : VOTE Prez "B*O" Out In 2012 ! ! !
Real Hope and Change for America !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/1f04ef7c173c8a39
-give-the-boot-to-prez-obama-in-2012-for-bo's-failures-
.
Prez Obama's : Weakness & Ineptness & Not Being
A Strong Leader Has/Is/Will Directly Cause These
Governments To Fall
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/9df331843da7171f
.
Obama Is Eight-Times [8X] Worse That Carter :
Weak & Inept & No Strong Leader
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/bec9611a59020153
.
Q? : Why Did Prez Obama Use The Hate Speech Code
Word "ATTACK"-wrt- To the State of Wisconsin and
The Union Workers !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/050c9d6d2a3886fa
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/af57867c1c50aa53
.
Liberal & Democrats -say- Cast-Out Your God {Allah}
and Jesus : Worship The 'Lord Almighty Obama'
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7ed68235564cb62d
.
OMG "Obama" : ? Obama Is The Mastermind of
Liberal-Democrat Universe !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/dc5165242220f3dd
.
The Obama Revolution "Hope and Change" :
How's It Working For You ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/19b69c0d502ca2ae
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/6043c796f4edbe0d
.
.
RHF
> On 02/22/2011 05:38 AM, Drooling Idiot wrote:
>
> > dave<d...@dave.dave> wrote:
> >> You support doctors gaming the system while denying people care, so that
>
> > of Texas he signed the "Texas Advanced Directives Law" that brought the
> > life of Sun Hudson to an end after 6-months, because it wasn't
> > "economically feasible" to continue his respirator. MORE evidence that
> > rightards who love fetuses couldn't give a shit about them once they are
> > born.
>
> The righties give themselves away when they accuse their opposition of
> doing weird off the wall stuff. They are "turning things around" they
> call it. Just lie and say the other guy is doing what you're actually
> guilty of.
>
> If they talk "death panels" it's because they do "death panels".
- Luckily the people are waking up.
- Fascists always lose once the people wake up.
The People -aka- American Voters Are Waking-Up To :
The-Mark-of-the-Obama© = $6.66 Gasoline :
Crashing The US Economy
-wrt-
Ending Your Life =for= The Good of Society
-wrt- Free Obama-Care© 'Death Panel' Counseling
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/6474434a4633e379
.
Q? : Why Did Prez Obama Use The Hate Speech Code
Word "ATTACK"-wrt- To the State of Wisconsin and
The Union Workers !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/050c9d6d2a3886fa
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/af57867c1c50aa53
.
VOTE Prez "BO" {Obama} Out In 2012 ! ! !
Bring Back 'Hope and Change' for America !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/1f04ef7c173c8a39
-give-the-boot-to-prez-obama-in-2012-for-bo's-failures-
.
.