http://3950.net/2011/02/liberty-net-february-5-2011/
by Kevin Strom, WB4AIO
ON SATURDAY NIGHT the ionosphere went almost into shutdown mode, 
with all signals weak and short-skip signals almost nonexistent 
except for a fluttery backscatter — but that didn’t stop a flood of 
new stations from checking into America’s longest-running amateur 
radio discussion net, the Liberty Net. That just goes to show that 
even when Mother Nature doesn’t cooperate, well-engineered home HF 
radio setups can still communicate on a continental scale.
Here are some of the subjects that participants discussed this week:
• This week, a Florida judge ruled that “Obamacare,” with its 
unprecedented compulsory purchase requirements, is unconstitutional 
— a decision also reached recently in Virginia. (22 minutes)
• A sitting governor of North Dakota was removed from office when it 
was found that he did not meet constitutional eligibility 
requirements, so there is a precedent for removing Obama under 
similar circumstances. (24 minutes)
• The US military is building a huge 264-acre “mock city” — which 
will even include actors to play “citizens” — to train soldiers to 
repress future uprisings of patriots opposed to the illegal 
government in Washington, and accustom troops to firing on their 
fellow Americans. (26 minutes)
• America’s public schools are becoming insane asylums where White 
children are arrested for using pea shooters, but non-Whites are 
granted official permission to carry “ceremonial daggers,” as 
recently happened in Dearborn, Michigan. (30 minutes)
• A young child’s life may be ruined by a criminal conviction being 
pushed by local New Jersey authorities — because he brought a toy 
gun that shoots ping-pong balls to school. (40 minutes)
• The fall of the US dollar is now an inevitable result of the 
government’s decisions in the late 20th century 1) to “take care” of 
the underclass whose votes the politicians sought to buy, and 2) to 
make America a non-White, non-Western nation with all the 
factionalization and low productivity that that implies. (1 hour 39 
minutes)
• Now that the Republicans and Fox News, as predicted months ago by 
N2SAG on the Liberty Net, are putting their arms around Barack Obama 
(John McCain has even hailed Obama as a “centrist”), expect another 
war for Israel in the Middle East, possibly combined with another 
9/11-like false flag attack on America. (2 hours 14 minutes)
• George W. Bush got a last-minute warning not to attend a speech he 
was to give to a Jewish group in Switzerland, because several human 
rights organizations there had obtained a warrant for his arrest 
based on his role in ordering torture. (2 hours 52 minutes)
• Isn’t it remarkable that the freest, most thorough, and most open 
coverage of the revolutions in the Middle East is coming from 
al-Jazeera, while the very worst, most censored, and most slanted 
coverage comes from “American” networks? (3 hours 2 minutes)
• Now that “laser ranging” bullets have been developed (which 
explode when they reach the target’s distance), N2SAG is calling for 
a law to forever forbid these bullets from being used against 
American citizens. (3 hours 10 minutes)
The Liberty Net is a gathering that includes thoughtful, 
philosophical minds and well-informed sources every week, and any 
amateur operator can join in the discussion and debate. A big “thank 
you” to N2SAG and N2IRJ and especially W1WCR for their hard work 
which makes the Liberty Net and its Internet annexes  possible. You 
can download the Net right here at http://3950.net and listen in 
your gym or on your way to work or anywhere you choose.
Looks like illegal broadcasting on the amateur bands to me.
How so? It's two-way communication between stations in a net, no 
different from other nets.
With all good wishes,
Kevin, WB4AIO.
Waste of bandwidth; reminds me of Hollywood during award season...
What is a "waste of bandwidth" is a matter of opinion, not law.
On the Liberty Net, differing ideas and even philosophies are being 
expressed and debated. To me, that is far more interesting (and a 
far better use of bandwidth) than the mere exchange of callsigns and 
signal reports, which to me is acutely tedious. But to each his own.
In any case, there's nothing illegal about it.
Happy Thursday,
I'd say you're walking a fine line; you certainly act like you're 
broadcasting.
I would suggest you have your eyes tested post haste because you don't
see, or hear, very well. It isn't even close to "broadcasting", study
the rules of amateur radio before popping off. Because you disagree
with what is being said doesn't make it illegal.
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To dopey liberals, any speech they don't agree with should be illegal.
You are not supposed to do "shows" for third parties. It violates the 
spirit of the law, if not the letter. And it is bad for amateur radio 
because it scares off the kids. They're afraid ham radio will turn them 
into conspiracy freak tax dodgers.
The Liberty Net is completely legal amateur-to-amateur 
communication, the same as any other discussion net. If there was 
any "illegal" aspect to it, you can be sure that it would have been 
adjudicated at some point in the almost 40 years the net has been 
active. And anyone who is "scared" by hearing debates about ideas 
needs to acquire some courage so he can overcome his fear -- and 
gain knowledge and reasoning skills.
I often disagree with what I read on Usenet, but nevertheless I have 
learned a great deal from others here, and have refined my thinking 
by engaging in debate and presenting and defending my ideas. The 
Liberty Net is no different in that respect.
Happy Friday,
Kevin, WB4AIO.
There are better forums these days. (You mentioned usenet for example). 
It's best to keep the divisive stuff off the amateur airwaves. And I'm 
tired of hearing everyone compliment each other on having fat signals. 
That's not the point. Contesters and rag chewers and "nets" full of 
bitter old guys are the reason I seldom listen to phone (my current 
radio has no microphone).
Well, that's a matter of opinion. Divisive things are often very 
interesting things. Things that "everyone agrees on" are often 
sleep-inducing.
Happy weekend,
     Kevin Zeese, attorney and spokesperson for ProtectOurElections.org, 
believes that Justice Thomas may have intentionally withheld the 
information in order to keep litigants from moving to disqualify him in 
cases where his wife's employment could cause a conflict of interest or 
where she could benefit from a decision. "Justice Thomas cast a critical 
vote in the Citizens United case allowing conservative groups like the 
Heritage Foundation and Liberty Central to raise millions of dollars in 
secret funds to support and elect conservative politicians," he said. 
"Had Justice Thomas disclosed that his wife worked for the Heritage 
Foundation, litigants may have had good cause to disqualify him from 
hearing that case. In fact, we are left to wonder if Justice Thomas knew 
that his wife was planning on leaving the Heritage Foundation to launch 
Liberty Central once Citizens United was decided. Clearly, she has 
benefitted personally from that decision."
It was better before Riley messed up the bands.
I want WA9KJI and W9ART and N4SX in downtown Washington, DC to check
in like the good old days.
And Tarzan and Doofus Jammer.
Sir Sidney had a good story about how he shot the private parts off of
a dawg in New Mexico.
That story was a favorite of The Great Liberty Net.
Sir Sidney is dead - long live Sir Sidney.
Jamfest 2011 is on.
Gentlemen start your amps.
The Late Arky Bob said that.
> Sir Sidney had a good story about how he shot the private parts off of
> a dawg in New Mexico.
>
> That story was a favorite of The Great Liberty Net.
I think this speaks volumes about the people on the so-called "Great"
Liberty Net.
- I think this speaks volumes about the people on
- the so-called "Great" Liberty Net.
The Great All American Right NOT TO LISTEN
Shall Not Be Infringed -tip-:-just-don't-listen-
Do Your Own Thing {Your Personal Freedom}
-and-
Let The Other Guy(s) Do His/Their Own Thing
{His/Their Personal Freedom}
Freedom of Association = The Freedom to Disassociate
yes it is that easy ~ RHF
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Are you drunk?
Must be because of Valentine Day . It's the Day After .
You don't know how wrong you are, Bruce.
The person in question -- Sidney Mahan, a vicious drunk -- was one 
of the jammers who hated the Liberty Net so much he tried to drive 
it off the airwaves with obscenities, music, and other types of 
illegal, malicious interference. Far from being a "favorite" of the 
net, Mahan and his disgusting "stories" were part of a deliberate 
interference campaign against the net, some of which is archived in 
audio form. Simply Google "K5BLB" if you really want to hear it.
The Liberty Net's Net Control Station, W1WCR, Victor Misek, in total 
contrast to Mahan, is a gentleman and a published author who wrote 
the well-regarded _Beverage Antenna Handbook_. See
With all good wishes,
Kevin, WB4AIO.
Actually RHF makes perfect sense this time.
The freedom to associate, to exist at all, must also include the 
freedom _not_ to associate.
So, if one doesn't like a particular amateur operator, for example, 
simply don't talk to him or listen to him. (Of course, jammers make 
this very sensible dictum difficult to practice, since they insist 
on transmitting purposeful interference on top of other stations -- 
but that is a separate issue. So is the sad fact that we have 
largely lost our freedom of association in this country.)
With my best,
Kevin, WB4AIO.
I was commenting purely on the specific topic of violence against
animals, Kevin, and the report that it was a "favorite".  If that was
not the case, then I retract my comment.
Bruce
It depends. Some subjects/discussions are more appropriate at a dinner
table . And NOT on the airwaves .
  Possibly. But once that distinction is made, the seeds of 
censorship may be sown.
And that's a FACT .
But his response did match my comment.  I never suggested that
anythnig you say here is untrue...except for the freedom of
association thing - ?
Lord, now you guys are suggesting that my comment leads down a crooked
road toward censorship?  geez...
Okay -- mainly, I just wanted to make the Sidney Mahan thing clear!
Happy DXing,
 11-02-15 03:48 PM, bpnjensen wrote:
> LXrd, now you gXys are suXXstXng that XX comment lXXXs down a cXXXXXd
> rXXd toward cXnsXrshXp?  gXXz...
Not at all. Where do you get these ideas?
mike
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- L*rd, n*w y*u g*ys *r* s*gg*st*ng th*t m* c*mm*nt
- l**ds d*wn * cr**k*d r**d t*w*rd c*ns*rsh*p?  g**z...
BpnJ : ? What Makes You Say That ! ~ RHF
-be-advised-your-reply-may-be-redacted-
?WHY? : Because We Can !
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- Not at all. Where do you get these ideas?
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- mike
Dang Mike You "Beat Me"
-oops- wrong choice of words . . .
Dang Mike You "Got There First"
-oops- wrong choice of words again . . .
Dang Mike : YOU SAID IT ! :o) ~ RHF
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KAS : No Matter What They Say
Always End On The Positive ! :o)
to thy own self be true ~ RHF
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> --http://nationalvanguard.org/http://kevinalfredstrom.com/
- I think this speaks volumes about the people on
- the so-called "Great" Liberty Net.
STOP : The Rush To Judgment [.]
First - One would have to know the Full Story as to
What Happen to Cause Someone to Shot at a Dog
. . . and Hit It's Private Parts . . .
? A Sick Act of Human Meanness !
-judge-all-you-want-
http://eagles.niagara.edu/mkamrowski/michael_vick_pit_bull.jpg
? Wild Dog Was Attacking Stock Animals !
-farmer-rancher-protecting-his-live-stock-
http://image05.webshots.com/5/4/9/8/81740908DLikTM_ph.jpg
? Rabid Dog Was Getting Near Family !
-man-protecting-his-family-
http://www.topnews.in/files/Rabid-Dog.jpg
ACTION : Man Shots At Dog and 'Hit's
"By-Chance" the Dogs Private Parts.
imho - we just don't have enough
information to judge ~ RHF
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-ps- We Do Not Know :
The Rest of the Story...
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Yes, understood.
Cruelty towards animals is a sign of very bad character; indeed I 
believe you can tell a great deal about a person by the way he or 
she treats animals -- or any being, human or animal, who is totally 
in his or her power.
The original poster, "Arky Bob," is a Usenet reincarnation of one of 
the jammers, who likes to revel in the remembered chaos of those 
times -- whether out of real enjoyment or a sense of irony, I don't 
know.
With all good wishes,
Kevin.
Because Peter brought up the "slippery slope to censorship" thing as
the fourth or fifth step in the logical progression following my
comment, which was merely a snarkily crack on the character of people
for whom abuse of animals was a favorite topic of discussion.  There's
a pretty wide gap there IMHO.
I took him at his word.  Kevin explained more thoroughly anyway, and I
retracted.
There's plenty more serious rushing to judgment going on anyway in
this country, than making a snarky comment about those who appear to
enjoy cruelty to animals.  I'm not going to worry about it too much.
On 11-02-16 08:54 AM, bpnjensen wrote:
> There's plenty more serious rushing to judgment going on anyway in
> this country, than making a snarky comment about those who appear to
> enjoy cruelty to animals.  I'm not going to worry about it too much.
Let's not forget those poor humans who suffer BECAUSE of animals.
Origin of this tale of abuse is unknown to me. Very sad....
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Last night I was sitting on the sofa watching TV when I heard
my wife's voice from the kitchen. "What would you like for dinner my
Love?...  Chicken, beef or fish?"
I said, "Thank you, I'll have chicken."
She replied "You're having soup, asshole. I was talking to the
dog"
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mike
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On 11-02-16 08:54 AM, bpnjensen wrote:
> There's plenty more serious rushing to judgment going on anyway in
> this country, than making a snarky comment about those who appear to
> enjoy cruelty to animals.  I'm not going to worry about it too much.
Let's not forget those poor humans who suffer BECAUSE of animals.
Origin of this tale of abuse is unknown to me. Very sad....
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Last night I was sitting on the sofa watching TV when I heard
my wife's voice from the kitchen. "What would you like for dinner my
Love?...  Chicken, beef or fish?"
I said, "Thank you, I'll have chicken."
She replied "You're having soup, asshole. I was talking to the
dog"
I guess she knows me too well.
> You don't know how wrong you are, Bruce.
>
> The person in question -- Sidney Mahan, a vicious drunk --
Careful there Kevin - Sir Sidney was NOT a drunk.  Vicious or
otherwise.  And his story about shooting "the dawg" was a keeper for
sure.
The drunk on 3950 was The Late Uncle Walter. He stayed drunk and
delusional ALL THE TIME.
But Sir Sidney - nahhh .. he just had the best signal .. rightfully
called "The Loudest Station In The Nation".  That is .. until Riley
trashed the band.
WiWCR a gentleman?  Then why won't he accept W9ART as a check-in to
The Great Liberty Net ? ? ?  Some "gentleman".
Sir Sidney is dead ... long live Sir Sidney.
Dave : So Once Again By This Post You Show
Your Real Stripes : =R A C I S T !=
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? White Dude Singling-Out and Attacking the Only
'African-American' on the US Supreme Court !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/910e7cca6b6321db
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dave,,, Dave... DAVE ! ! !
*IF* Any Criticism of Prez-A-Duntz Obama by
'Whites' is By-Definition Based-in-Racism
-therefore-it-follows-
Any Criticism of SCOTUS Justice Thomas by
'Whites' s By-Definition Based-in-Racism
-proving-you-are-a-racist-
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Dave : This Post Proves Once Again That You Are
NO Libertarian of any stripe -but- an Intolerant Elitist*
With Liberal-Fascist Tendencies.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/920c3f7fdd38ee9b
Always Amazed by those who claim to be "Libertarians"
so-called Champions of Individual Rights and Personal
Freedoms : Who Instantly Resort to Name Calling and
Vulgarities : Proving that they really are completely
Intolerant Progressive Elitists -aka- Liberal-Fascists :
Who Attack Any Minority Who Is Not The Right Kind
of Liberal Minority and Toe The Liberal Line.
* Telling You What You Can and Can't Say
* Telling You What You Can and Can't Think
* Telling You What You Can and Can't Do
* Telling You How You Can and Can't Live
* Defining How Minorities Must Think
* Demanding How Minorities Must Act
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7f00e5d20874c831
= Elitist Control Freaks = Overlords of the Masses =
= Controlling Elitists Racists = Overlords of the Minorities =
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dave dave dave dave dave dave dave dave dave
racist racist racist racist racist racist racist racist
liberals liberals liberals liberals liberals liberals
justice justice justice justice justice justice justice
thomas thomas thomas thomas thomas thomas
hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate
speech speech speech speech speech speech
elitist elitist elitist elitist elitist elitist elitist elitist
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BpnJ,
Maybe you should address your remarks
specifically to "Arky Bob"
-wrt- Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
From: Arky Bob <Arky_Bob_Ru...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:01:47 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Feb 15 2011 10:01 am
Subject: Re: Liberty Net: February 5, 2011 via WB4AIO
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/9364904252a7b2fb
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