Re: Will the Birthers Forge Ahead?
John Smith
> Can we expect a flood of new releases from some of the birthers,
> documents like grannie's memories, aunty's affidavits, Kenyan doctors
> patient records, and doctored copies of Australian birth certificates?
http://www.infowars.com/new-obama-birth-certificate-is-a-forgery/
My favorite news article for today:
http://www.businessinsider.com/birther-response-birth-certificate-doesnt-matter-because-obama-is-an-illegal-alien-2011-4
And, more to follow ...
Regards,
JS
wy
> On 4/27/2011 10:29 PM, Don Kirkman wrote:
>
> > Can we expect a flood of new releases from some of the birthers,
> > documents like grannie's memories, aunty's affidavits, Kenyan doctors
> > patient records, and doctored copies of Australian birth certificates?
>
> http://www.infowars.com/new-obama-birth-certificate-is-a-forgery/
>
>
> And, more to follow ...
See? You get your birth certificate and you're still acting like an
idiot.
Government Shill #2
Yep.
For months it's been "Where's the birth certificate?"
Now the goalposts have been shifted, in true kOOker style, and it's "So what if
he has a birth certificate?"
kOOkers!
Shill #2
--
Ears on the loon go round and round, round and round, round and round...
theobviousgcashman
Kurgan Gringioni
"Government Shill #2" <gov....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>See? You get your birth certificate and you're still acting like an
>>idiot.
>
> Yep.
>
> For months it's been "Where's the birth certificate?"
>
> Now the goalposts have been shifted, in true kOOker style, and it's "So
> what if
> he has a birth certificate?"
>
> kOOkers!
The thing that's the most stupid about this is his mom is from Kansas. She
is indisputably American. Any child she had would be an American citizen, no
matter where the child was born. Since citizenship is guaranteed, the only
reason you'd want to fake having your child born in the USA is if you were
sure he was going to run for POTUS 45 years later.
The odds of that are about zero, especially at that time. When half-black
Barack Obama was born, the Civil Rights Act still hadn't been passed yet.
The last thing his parents were thinking about was this baby's gonna be
President of the United States. The KKK was still lynching people in
Mississipi at that time.
joeturn
> "Government Shill #2" <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:ps5ir65anckr0a7c1...@4ax.com...
Not So! The Law says a Child recieves his Fathers Nationality,at the
time of birth,not his mothers no matter where its born.
If his father was Barrack Husien Obama Sr means he was born with his
fathers nationality(kenyan African).as his dad was here on a temporary
visa. Then this means he is a British Subject not American!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zsQ-v7kD5Q&feature=player_embedded
http://www.henrymakow.com/imaging_expert_reports_obama_b.html
joeturn
> "Government Shill #2" <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:ps5ir65anckr0a7c1...@4ax.com...
> >>See? You get your birth certificate and you're still acting like an
> >>idiot.
> > Yep.
> > For months it's been "Where's the birth certificate?"
> > Now the goalposts have been shifted, in true kOOker style, and it's "So
> > what if
> > he has a birth certificate?"
> > kOOkers!
> The thing that's the most stupid about this is his mom is from Kansas. She
> is indisputably American. Any child she had would be an American citizen, no
> matter where the child was born. Since citizenship is guaranteed, the only
> reason you'd want to fake having your child born in the USA is if you were
> sure he was going to run for POTUS 45 years later.
> The odds of that are about zero, especially at that time. When half-black
> Barack Obama was born, the Civil Rights Act still hadn't been passed yet.
> The last thing his parents were thinking about was this baby's gonna be
> President of the United States. The KKK was still lynching people in
> Mississipi at that time.
Not So!
The Law says a Child recieves his Fathers Nationality,at the time of
birth,not his mothers no matter where its born.
If his father was realy Barrack Hussien Obama Sr (which I think
not)means he was born with his fathers nationality(kenyan African).as
his dad was here on a temporary scholarship. Then this means he is a
British Subject not American! Dual citizen ship is not legal to be
POTUS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zsQ-v7kD5Q&feature=player_embedded
http://www.henrymakow.com/imaging_expert_reports_obama_b.html- Hide
quoted text -
There is a difference between a common citizen and a natural born
citizen. POTUS requires a natural born citizen only. Under the 14th
amendment there are two stipulations for being a citizen, 1. Be born
here in the US, and 2. You have to be under US jurisdiction.
For example, you can be born here in the US and still not be a US
citizen. In the famous ELK case, Elk was ruled NOT a US citizen even
though he was born in America. At the time of his birth, his parents
were members of an Indian tribe, and thus NOT under US jurisdiction.
This stipulation in the 14th amendment also applies to people
temporarily in the US and foreign diplomats.
Obama Sr. was a British Subject. He maintained a DOMICILE in Kenya,
where he his children lived. DOMICILE is a legal term. You can have
only one under the law. If you are domiciled in Kenya, then you can
only be in the USA temporarily and Obama Sr. was here in the US
temporarily on a scholarship. At no time did he go through
naturalization or renounce his status as a British Subject. He married
Ann. Under both American and British laws at the time, any baby so
born would have been born a BRITISH SUBJECT regardless of where the
baby was born. The nationality of the baby is derived from the father
in a marriage and Obama Sr. gave Obama Jr. the gift of being a British
Subject from the moment of birth.
joeturn
> citizen. POTUS requires a natural born citizen only. Under the 14th
> amendment there are two stipulations for being a citizen, 1. Be born
> here in the US, and 2. You have to be under US jurisdiction.
>
> For example, you can be born here in the US and still not be a US
> citizen. In the famous ELK case, Elk was ruled NOT a US citizen even
> though he was born in America. At the time of his birth, his parents
> were members of an Indian tribe, and thus NOT under US jurisdiction.
> This stipulation in the 14th amendment also applies to people
> temporarily in the US and foreign diplomats.
>
> Obama Sr. was a British Subject. He maintained a DOMICILE in Kenya,
> where he his children lived. DOMICILE is a legal term. You can have
> only one under the law. If you are domiciled in Kenya, then you can
> only be in the USA temporarily and Obama Sr. was here in the US
> temporarily on a scholarship. At no time did he go through
> naturalization or renounce his status as a British Subject. He married
> Ann. Under both American and British laws at the time, any baby so
> born would have been born a BRITISH SUBJECT regardless of where the
> baby was born. The nationality of the baby is derived from the father
> in a marriage and Obama Sr. gave Obama Jr. the gift of being a British
>
> - Show quoted text -
http://www.henrymakow.com/imaging_expert_reports_obama_b.html
joeturn
Not So!
Brenda Ann
"joeturn" wrote in message
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Balderdash!
From eHow.com :
Born Abroad to One American Parent and One Alien Parent in Wedlock:
The parent who is a U.S. citizen must qualify to transfer citizenship to his
child. The parents must have been married at the time of birth. The American
parent had to have physically resided inside the United States prior to the
birth. The residence must have been for five years with two of those years
coming after their fourteenth birthday. The child is the genetic offspring
of both parents.
Read more: Ways to Obtain USA Citizenship | eHow.com
http://www.ehow.com/info_8130753_ways-obtain-usa-citizenship.html#ixzz1KoPedNxz
Born Abroad to an American Mother Out of Wedlock:
The mother must have been a U.S. citizen at the time of birth. The mother
must have had a physical residency inside the United States prior to the
child's birth. The time of residency must have been for one continuous year.
Read more: Ways to Obtain USA Citizenship | eHow.com
http://www.ehow.com/info_8130753_ways-obtain-usa-citizenship.html#ixzz1KoPuhgx0
Stanley Ann Dunham would qualify either way.
jf...@my-deja.com
> The thing that's the most stupid about this is his mom is from Kansas. She
> is indisputably American. Any child she had would be an American citizen, no
> matter where the child was born. Since citizenship is guaranteed, the only
> reason you'd want to fake having your child born in the USA is if you were
> sure he was going to run for POTUS 45 years later.
natural-born citizen (George Romney was accepted as a legitimate
candidate even though he was born outside the United States, probably
because he was a white Publican). There are only two classes of
citizens: natural-born and naturalized (plus the Zonians like John
McCain who were retroactively granted automatic citizneship by Act of
Congress in 1937). When all other false accusations have been
disproven, the racist Publican birthers will start denying that his
mother was an American.
John Smith
> ...
> http://www.henrymakow.com/imaging_expert_reports_obama_b.html
Yeah, why not expect us to go hook line and sinker for a tampered and
photoshoped hack?
obama and his gang have as much respect for the American citizens as we
do for the mushrooms sprouting in usenet ...
Why do they have such difficulty understanding, show us the real
original or show us nothing?
Regards,
JS
John Smith
>> ...
> There is no requirement to have been born in the USA, only to be a
> natural-born citizen (George Romney was accepted as a legitimate
> candidate even though he was born outside the United States, probably
> because he was a white Publican). There are only two classes of
> citizens: natural-born and naturalized (plus the Zonians like John
> McCain who were retroactively granted automatic citizneship by Act of
> Congress in 1937). When all other false accusations have been
> disproven, the racist Publican birthers will start denying that his
> mother was an American.
"I am about to file another law suit against Obama as I believe he is
not ‘natural born’, not ‘naturalized’, but Obama is an ‘illegal alien’
as it appears he returned at age ten [10] to the United States on his
Indonesia Passport and therefore, his term as a U.S. Senator from
Illinois was fraud and Obama should not have been a U.S. Senator and
also, cannot be President."
From here:
http://obamacrimes.com/
Some might be surprised at exactly who Phillip Berg is:
http://philjberg.com/
Regards,
JS
harry k
Exactly like we said 3 years ago. The instant one is produced they
would scream "Fake!" Didn't even take them 24 hours to begin doing
so.
Harry K
harry k
>
>
>
> >>See? You get your birth certificate and you're still acting like an
> >>idiot.
>
> > Yep.
>
> > For months it's been "Where's the birth certificate?"
>
> > Now the goalposts have been shifted, in true kOOker style, and it's "So
> > what if
> > he has a birth certificate?"
>
> > kOOkers!
>
> The thing that's the most stupid about this is his mom is from Kansas. She
> is indisputably American. Any child she had would be an American citizen, no
> matter where the child was born. Since citizenship is guaranteed, the only
> reason you'd want to fake having your child born in the USA is if you were
> sure he was going to run for POTUS 45 years later.
>
??? There is no requirement for the president to be born in the US,
only that he be a "natural born citizen". His mother being one, makes
him one also. US citizen has a kid in a foriegn country, reports to
the Embassy, registers birth. Done - eligble to be president.
<snip>
Harry K
BDK
>
> On 4/28/2011 7:17 AM, jf...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> >> ...
> > There is no requirement to have been born in the USA, only to be a
> > natural-born citizen (George Romney was accepted as a legitimate
> > candidate even though he was born outside the United States, probably
> > because he was a white Publican). There are only two classes of
> > citizens: natural-born and naturalized (plus the Zonians like John
> > McCain who were retroactively granted automatic citizneship by Act of
> > Congress in 1937). When all other false accusations have been
> > disproven, the racist Publican birthers will start denying that his
> > mother was an American.
>
> "I am about to file another law suit against Obama as I believe he is
> Indonesia Passport and therefore, his term as a U.S. Senator from
> Illinois was fraud and Obama should not have been a U.S. Senator and
> also, cannot be President."
>
> From here:
> http://obamacrimes.com/
BWHAHAHAHA! How does a kid who was born in Hawaii that comes back from
overseas become an alien of any kind?
>
> Some might be surprised at exactly who Phillip Berg is:
> http://philjberg.com/
>
> Regards,
> JS
Phillip Berg is a lunatic, as are you.
--
BDK- Top of the government shill heap for over 10 years running!
joeturn
>
> - Show quoted text -
We knew already that OBAMA JR admitted he was born in Kenya a video
is worth 10,000 words.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zsQ-v7kD5Q&feature=player_embedded
Poll his student audience for confirmation!
joeturn
wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Balderdash!
>
> From eHow.com :
>
> Born Abroad to One American Parent and One Alien Parent in Wedlock:
>
> The parent who is a U.S. citizen must qualify to transfer citizenship to his
> child. The parents must have been married at the time of birth. The American
> parent had to have physically resided inside the United States prior to the
> birth. The residence must have been for five years with two of those years
> coming after their fourteenth birthday. The child is the genetic offspring
> of both parents.
>
>
> Born Abroad to an American Mother Out of Wedlock:
>
> The mother must have been a U.S. citizen at the time of birth. The mother
> must have had a physical residency inside the United States prior to the
> child's birth. The time of residency must have been for one continuous year.
>
>
> Stanley Ann Dunham would qualify either way.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Its the farther that has to qualify not the mother! Obama senior was
DOMICILE to kenya not the USA.
Obama Sr. gave Obama Jr. the gift of being a British Subject from the
moment of birth.
Think of it this way, If YOU went to France, and knocked up a woman,
married her, and then had a baby... that baby wouldn't be a French
citizen, it would be an American citizen born abroad. It would inherit
your gift of American citizenship, but would not be a natural born
American citizen under any stretch of the law.
The US government, as stated in court cases, does NOT recognize dual
citizenship in matters of "natural born citizens." You either are a
natural born citizen or you are not. So all this business about birth
certificates is deception to hide the fact that Obama is NOT eligible
to be POTUS. This is quite clear in the law, the US Constitution,
Vattel's Law of Nations, the 14th amendment, and the British and
American laws on naturalization at the time.
There is also the matter of when he left America and went to Indonesia
where he would have been forced to renounce his citizenship. To re
enter this nation he would've had to have gone through NATURALIZATION,
which by itself would have meant he would be ineligible as POTUS.
What is taking place now is that Obama, Barry Soetoro, a CIA
manchurian candidate and crony of the Bush Crime family, is purposely
lying and deceiving every caring American. This man is NOT your
president, mine, or anyone's. He is an illegal criminal usurper.
John Smith
Yeah, yeah, yeah ... heard it all before. You can't expect the same
rules and laws which apply to the commoners to apply to the ones
imagining themselves royalty!
If we had kept on the ball and imprisoned and/or hung these vile
criminals, as we found them, we would not be having the job of cleaning
them up now ...
Regards,
JS
Brenda Ann
"joeturn" wrote in message
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On Apr 28, 6:27 am, "Brenda Ann" <newsgro...@fullspectrumradio.org>
wrote:
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I guess you're incapable of reading the law expressed in plain English. My
quotes plainly state otherwise. Also, a child may have dual citizenship
(US/anywhere else) until age 18, when they are supposed to choose one or the
other. There are, however, even exceptions to this.
As for your "example", I can debunk this one personally. My spouse was born
in France, to a US GI and a French mother. The French government very much
insists that Pat is a French citizen.
RHF
wrote:
English. My
- quotes plainly state otherwise. Also, a child may have dual
citizenship
- (US/anywhere else) until age 18, when they are supposed to choose
one or the
- other. There are, however, even exceptions to this.
* * * Then 'The Question' Becomes * * *
Did Obama {Soetaro?} Travel As An Adult Using An
Indonesian Passport ?
=That's=The=Adult=Indonesian=Citizenship=Question=
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/b1f1247d81f80510
-oops-questions-and-more-questions-never-ending-questions-
.
-
- As for your "example", I can debunk this one personally. My spouse
was born
- in France, to a US GI and a French mother. The French government
very much
- insists that Pat is a French citizen.
Where Is Obama-to-Soetaro Adoption Papers Registered ?
=The=Name=Change="To"=Question=
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/b1f1247d81f80510
-oops-questions-and-more-questions-never-ending-questions-
.
Where Is Soetaro-Back-To-Obama Name Change
Papers Registered ?
=The=Name=Change="Back-To"=Question=
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/b1f1247d81f80510
-oops-questions-and-more-questions-never-ending-questions-
.
Who's Name Is On The Obama {Soetaro?} College Records ?
=The=Adult=Legal=Name=Question=
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/b1f1247d81f80510
-oops-questions-and-more-questions-never-ending-questions-
.
Did Obama {Soetaro?} Travel Using An Indonesian Passport ?
=The=Adult=Indonesian=Citizenship=Question=
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/b1f1247d81f80510
-oops-questions-and-more-questions-never-ending-questions-
.
-read- What If... Prez "BO" {Obama} Releases His
Long Form Hawaiian Birth Certificate : Which Then
Leads To Many More Questions...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/e1588f2662d95481
.
jf...@my-deja.com
> in France, to a US GI and a French mother. The French government very much
> insists that Pat is a French citizen.
>
their fallacious argument, they don't care. However, it is a lot of
fun to laugh at them as they voluntarily exhibit their stupidity and
incompetence.
joeturn
wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I guess you're incapable of reading the law expressed in plain English. My
> quotes plainly state otherwise. Also, a child may have dual citizenship
> (US/anywhere else) until age 18, when they are supposed to choose one or the
> other. There are, however, even exceptions to this.
>
> As for your "example", I can debunk this one personally. My spouse was born
> in France, to a US GI and a French mother. The French government very much
>
> - Show quoted text -
So your saying this video gives him diplomatic immunity?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zsQ-v7kD5Q&feature=player_embedded
Iarnrod
> On Apr 28, 4:15 am, "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Government Shill #2" <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:ps5ir65anckr0a7c1...@4ax.com...
>
> > >>See? You get your birth certificate and you're still acting like an
> > >>idiot.
>
> > > Yep.
>
> > > For months it's been "Where's the birth certificate?"
>
> > > Now the goalposts have been shifted, in true kOOker style, and it's "So
> > > what if
> > > he has a birth certificate?"
>
> > > kOOkers!
>
> > The thing that's the most stupid about this is his mom is from Kansas. She
> > is indisputably American. Any child she had would be an American citizen, no
> > matter where the child was born. Since citizenship is guaranteed, the only
> > reason you'd want to fake having your child born in the USA is if you were
> > sure he was going to run for POTUS 45 years later.
>
> > The odds of that are about zero, especially at that time. When half-black
> > Barack Obama was born, the Civil Rights Act still hadn't been passed yet.
> > The last thing his parents were thinking about was this baby's gonna be
> > President of the United States. The KKK was still lynching people in
> > Mississipi at that time.
>
> Not So!
>
> The Law says a Child recieves his Fathers Nationality,at the time of
> birth,not his mothers no matter where its born.
The law says no such thing, of course, WrongTurnJoe. You're just
lying, again.
What the law does say is that regardless of the nationality of EITHER
parent, any child born on US soil except those of diplomats posted
here on assignment is AUTOMATICALLY a natural born US citizen eligible
to be president.
This is not even remotely open to dispute.
> If his father was realy Barrack Hussien Obama Sr (which I think
> not)
So you haven't seen the birth certificate?
> means he was born with his fathers nationality(kenyan African).as
> his dad was here on a temporary scholarship. Then this means he is a
> British Subject not American! Dual citizen ship is not legal to be
> POTUS
Lie of course.
Sux to be on the losing side in each and every argument like you,
don't it, WrongTurn?
> There is a difference between a common citizen and a natural born
> citizen.
No, there is a difference between a natural born citizen and a
naturalized citizen. Those are the only two kinds -- at birth, or
later. No other possibility exists. Obama is at-birth US citizen. Not
in dispute.
> For example, you can be born here in the US and still not be a US
> citizen. In the famous ELK case, Elk was ruled NOT a US citizen even
> though he was born in America. At the time of his birth, his parents
> were members of an Indian tribe, and thus NOT under US jurisdiction.
> This stipulation in the 14th amendment also applies to people
> temporarily in the US and foreign diplomats.
No it does not. Only diplomats. Children of aliens passing through,
even illegally, count as natural born citizens. This is not in
dispute. this is centuries of legal precedence.
Iarnrod
> On 4/28/2011 2:31 AM, joeturn wrote:
>
> > ...
> >http://www.henrymakow.com/imaging_expert_reports_obama_b.html
>
> Yeah, why not expect us to go hook line and sinker for a tampered and
> photoshoped hack?
Because you've done so before?
Hey Johnny KQQK, got somethign for you!
http://i.usatoday.net/news/_photos/2011/04/27/obama-birth-certificate-5L3GRPS-x-large.jpg
BWAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!
Iarnrod
No surprise, He, like you, is a nutbag.
BDK
And we can't expect a sane comment to come from a birthtardic loon, such
as yourself. You never disappoint.
John Smith
> ...
> So your saying this video gives him diplomatic immunity?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zsQ-v7kD5Q&feature=player_embedded
Nope!
And, a phoney cut-n-paste birth certificate don't qualify him for public
servant office of president, either!:
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/04/associated-press-involved-in-new-obama.html
Regards,
JS
Krypsis
You would really love it to be a phony but, sorry to disappoint, you
won't get much more genuine than the one Obama supplied to all you
naysayers.
Dream on!
Krypsis
RHF
> In article <ipce93$3p...@dont-email.me>, bit_buc...@gmx.com says...
? Is Obama That Incompetent !
.
The Cult of "The Obama"
.
The-Mark-of-the-Obama© = $6.66 Gasoline
.
Prez "BO" {Obama} Proves the Original 'Birther' Charges
that the Former Document [V1.0] Was NOT an Actual
Hawaiian "Birth Certificate"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/ce5cce96373a96c4
.
"The Miracle" of the New and Improved Obama 'Birther'
Certificate V2.0 -we-are-so-blessed-by-an-obama-miracle-
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/31d5a18c66e373da
.
.
RHF
> -oops-questions-and-more-questions-never-ending-questions-
> .
> -
> - As for your "example", I can debunk this one personally. My spouse
> was born
> - in France, to a US GI and a French mother. The French government
> very much
> - insists that Pat is a French citizen.
>
> Where Is Obama-to-Soetaro Adoption Papers Registered ?
> -oops-questions-and-more-questions-never-ending-questions-
> .
> Where Is Soetaro-Back-To-Obama Name Change
> Papers Registered ?
> -oops-questions-and-more-questions-never-ending-questions-
> .
> Who's Name Is On The Obama {Soetaro?} College Records ?
> -oops-questions-and-more-questions-never-ending-questions-
> .
> Did Obama {Soetaro?} Travel Using An Indonesian Passport ?
> -oops-questions-and-more-questions-never-ending-questions-
> .
> -read- What If... Prez "BO" {Obama} Releases His
> Long Form Hawaiian Birth Certificate : Which Then
> Leads To Many More Questions...http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/e1588f2662d95481
> .
.
cuh...@webtv.net
It Really Is A RANK PHONY FRAUD FAKE FORGERY! ''They'' can't fool the
World!!!
cuhulin
John Smith
And, how else did you expect him to come up with something which doesn't
exist?
Don't worry, from their past record, they will be coming up with another
attempt anytime now ...
Regards,
JS
John Smith
> ...
> They don't need to do that because the mainstream media has bought it
> wholesale, without question. They don't care that it might be an
> outrageous fake. Case settled in every big newspaper and all the big
> 3 TV channels.
>
> And even Fox and WSJ, etc. are ready to drop it-- because they simply
> can't fight the solid agreement of the entire liberal world. They
> want Obama and they will destroy anyone and anything that seems to
> threaten him. They are so deeply invested in him that they have
> nowhere to go if he falls.
>
> So we just need to minimize the damage he does, repeal or defund
> Obamacare, fix Medicare and SS, and let his term expire. Then
> President Romney or Pawlenty will have to pick up the pieces--with the
> help of massive majorities in both House and Senate.
>
> Larry
No.
We just got them on the run now. There is much, much more to follow ...
Regards,
JS
cuh...@webtv.net
Birth Certificates? ''They'' didn't fool the Forensics Experts.
cuhulin
BDK
cuh...@webtv.net says...
>
> Maybe 'seven names SCARHEAD' has Seven RANK PHONY FRAUD FAKE FORGED
> Birth Certificates? ''They'' didn't fool the Forensics Experts.
> cuhulin
And what "experts" are those, the ones only on kookpages?
cuh...@webtv.net
cuhulin
george
> We just got them on the run now. There is much, much more to follow ...
>
Oh dear the net kook is a 'we' now.
It's over. You demanded to see the 'long' form birth certificate.
It has been provided.
Even Trump admits that...
Time you took your racist views of the world to a therapist and
resolved the crap
harry k
> On 30/04/2011 12:21 AM, John Smith wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 4/28/2011 7:05 PM, joeturn wrote:
>
> >> ...
> >> So your saying this video gives him diplomatic immunity?
>
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zsQ-v7kD5Q&feature=player_embedded
>
> > Nope!
>
> > And, a phoney cut-n-paste birth certificate don't qualify him for public
> > servant office of president, either!:
>
>
> > Regards,
> > JS
>
> You would really love it to be a phony but, sorry to disappoint, you
> won't get much more genuine than the one Obama supplied to all you
> naysayers.
>
> Dream on!
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
If God himself came down and told him the BC was real, JS would call
him a liar. Nothing anything we can say, no matter what proof we
provide, they will still sceam 'fake!'. The racists will never accept
a "person of color" (I know, not PC) as president.
Harry K
cuh...@webtv.net
Well, at the moment, you might say Altoona,PA.
Yeah, Altoona is another one of ''those places'' in old movies.And Iowa
and Kansas.
Dear Heart movie on TCM right now.
cuhulin
John Smith
Even as a troll, YOU SUCK DUDE! ROFLOL
Regards,
JS
cuh...@webtv.net
life.Sheesh!
cuhulin
Joe from Kokomo
> It's over. You demanded to see the 'long' form birth certificate.
> It has been provided.
> Even Trump admits that...
You say it's over, but whatever happened to that imminent, startling new
information that Trump's detectives were supposed to provide, hmmmm?
Bwahahahaha...
Joe from Kokomo
1) The Wall Street Journal is very conservative.
2) The Wall Street Journal is very Republcan.
3) The Wall Street Journal is no big fan of Obama.
Yet, the Wall Street Journal says Obama IS a citizen.
Are you trying to get us to believe that a bunch of birther kooktards
knows more than the fleet of investigative reporters at the Wall Street
Journal?
george
Maybe that animal he has on his head will keep him sane ?
joeturn
>
> - Show quoted text -
Soo this is your hang up you are waiting on a fictional charater to
come down and speak instead of grasping reality!
Joe from Kokomo
> On Apr 30, 11:51 am, Joe from Kokomo<j...@indy.net> wrote:
>> On 4/29/2011 4:29 PM, george wrote:
>>
>>> It's over. You demanded to see the 'long' form birth certificate.
>>> It has been provided.
>>> Even Trump admits that...
>>
>> You say it's over, but whatever happened to that imminent, startling new
>> information that Trump's detectives were supposed to provide, hmmmm?
>>
>> Bwahahahaha...
On 4/29/2011 7:56 PM, george wrote:
> Maybe that animal he has on his head will keep him sane ?
Maybe, but it's not doing a very good job so far.
BDK
cuh...@webtv.net says...
>
> World Intelligence, Forensics Experts all over the World.
> cuhulin
Keep telling yourself that, and have another drink.
cuh...@webtv.net
Certificate.Ask them.I am not a Forensics Expert.
cuhulin
John Smith
Don't ask the fools here to find out anything for themselves, they are
too stupid.
Let'em bark out crazy rantings which is opposite to all the research and
investigations ... it is fun to watch! ROFLOL
Regards,
JS
cuh...@webtv.net
properly like they would be on a Real Birth Certificate.I have no Doubt
those Crooked Ass lawyers are still on 'the payroll' too.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=306992
SCARHEAD MOFO PIMP! has already paid those Crooked Ass lawyers about two
million dollars to keep the Real Birth Certificate Hidden.How much more?
The 2012 elections aren't here yet.
cuhulin
John Smith
You almost find yourself wishing they had been able to successfully
forge the document. At least you wouldn't know for a certainty that a
dumb black b*st*rd and his gang can't even forge a document, and they
are in charge of our country!
Regards,
JS
wy
Learn the basics of PDF scanning and you'll see why you're a racist
idiot who continues to hallucinate that the certificate is forged.
george
His conspiracy kookiness just has to shine through.
Krypsis
On the run?? You must be dreaming! It's you lot who are on the run!
Krypsis
Krypsis
there were any substance in what you say, Obama wouldn't be presiding!
Since he is, your researchers and investigators obviously have it all wrong!
Krypsis
Krypsis
He should learn the basics of reality! He hasn't a clue!
Seems like this fool John Smith might be our friend Gregg reincarnated
in a new version though still as inept as of old.
Krypsis
John Smith
> ...
> On the run?? You must be dreaming! It's you lot who are on the run!
>
> Krypsis
>
First, something has to be posted, other than a fraudulent birth
certificate.
Get real moron. ROFLOL
Regards,
JS
harry k
>
> - Show quoted text -
Your're so far around the bend even reality will have no effect on
you.
Harry K
Iarnrod
So his saving of America and capitalism from certain Republican
disaster and the Second Great GOP Depression aren't good enough fer
ya?
BWAHAHAHAAAHAHHAAHAHAHAAAA!!!!
John Smith
I see nothing done differently than bush ... if bush had remained in
office, I think we would be standing in this exact place ...
Regards,
JS
Bob Casanova
appeared in sci.skeptic, posted by george <gbl...@hnpl.net>:
>On Apr 30, 4:38 am, John Smith <bit_buc...@gmx.com> wrote:
>
>> We just got them on the run now. There is much, much more to follow ...
>>
>Oh dear the net kook is a 'we' now.
Maybe he has a tapeworm...
>It's over. You demanded to see the 'long' form birth certificate.
>It has been provided.
>Even Trump admits that...
>Time you took your racist views of the world to a therapist and
>resolved the crap
But that would mean he could no longer practice his favorite
self-abuse. Well, maybe second favorite...
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
Iarnrod
Nope. Sorry but you're wrong.
Fact is, you see nothing at all. You merely imagine and self-delude.
wy
I think this fool is the same one who went by the moniker bvallely -
what an idiot - and Walter I forget what the last name was, who showed
how much more of an idiot he can evole into. Now as John Smith he
continues to use the same gibberish English posting style of his alter
egos.
John Smith
>> ...
>>> BWAHAHAHAAAHAHHAAHAHAHAAAA!!!!
>>
>> I see nothing done differently than bush ... if bush had remained in
>> office, I think we would be standing in this exact place ...
>
> Nope. Sorry but you're wrong.
>
> Fact is, you see nothing at all. You merely imagine and self-delude.
ROFLOL!
http://www.infowars.com/the-tea-parties-now-have-their-man/
http://www.infowars.com/declare-your-independence-from-the-empire/
Regards,
JS
joeturn
cuh...@webtv.net
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=307014
I only have One Birth Certificate.It has Nothing to do with Kenya
either.
cuhulin
BDK
Links to a kooksite just make it more obvious, as if there was any
doubt, you're a kook.
BDK
kry...@optusnet.com.au says...
Hopefully the men with the net and nice tight jacket will catch them.
george
There can, by dint of population numbers, only so many of this sort
posting to the Net..
So the possibility of it being a previous nutter and conspiracy kook
are very high...
How can some-one be so wrong so consistently though ?
Ronnie Raygun And The Rayonets
"wy" wrote in message
news:a80b9098-36d2-4153...@n11g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
I wondered about that. He does have The Valley Girls style of ignorance.
joeturn
The Trump thingy was a political ploy to insure Obama gets a second
term.Trumps television popularity has been used to sway the public
opinion into believing he and his team of investigaors have accepted
the phoney second release as the real deal.This was the plan to
discredit the majority of public opinion of his illegitimate claim to
POTUS.
If his father was not a citizen of the USA at the time of birth,he is
an illegitimate POTUS.Since his father was still married to a wife in
kenya he could not get married,legally in the USA. If you look closely
you can see this second release is even more phoney than the first,and
since our brilliant Trump and his investigative team has not declared
it a farce,only proves they were not looking for the truth at all,
just on a political agenda to keep their National Socalist illuminati
mouth piece in office.Or Trump has been fired by the illuminati and
threatened a cut in pay$$$
BDK
@x1g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, joetu...@yahoo.com says...
So what meds are you supposed to be currently on but aren't,
WrongTurnJoe?
John Smith
I am thinking of scanning and photoshopping my birth certificate and
using it to claim I am of royal blood and sue the queen of england,
claiming I am the son she gave up for adoption years ago ... however, I
will have to find a way from ever allowing a DNA test, or I will be SOL!
If I end up having to give 'em a .pdf for some gawd unknown reason, I'll
just tell 'em it is layered because it was constructed on the "cake model!"
ROFLOL
Regards,
JS
joeturn
If your blood type is Rh positive then you are Rolality and are a
direct decendent of the 13th bloodline.
cuh...@webtv.net
in our White House, the next 'one' ''they'' issue will also be a PHONY
FRAUD FAKE ASS Birth Certificate too.I Guarantee you.
cuhulin
Iarnrod
> If his father was not a citizen of the USA at the time of birth,he is
> an illegitimate POTUS.
That is legally incorrect. The citizenship status of either parent is
completely immaterial to his natural born citizenship, This is long
settled law and is not even remotely open to dispute.
> Since his father was still married to a wife in
> kenya he could not get married,legally in the USA.
That of course has nothing to do with anything and in fact would mean
that Obama would be a natural born citizenship even if he had been
born in Kenya. If Ann Dunham were not legally married at the time,
Obama could have been born anywhere BUT in the US and still be a
natural born citizen since the 5-year minimum residency requirement
after age 14 (Dunham was only 18 at the time) would not longer be
applicable.
You just kicked your OWN ass, WrongTurnJoe!!
BWAHAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAHA!!
John Smith
I think it obvious, if he had one, we would have seen it by now ...
What is ever more distressing is that it takes a LOT of criminals in
government supporting him for him to be able to stay in office.
Long ago, the FBI should have approached him and told him, "Sir, you are
going to have to come up with a REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE, or we are going
to have to ask you to leave."
Regards,
JS
joeturn
Your getting hair lipped Limprod!
Born in Kenya means not Natural born on US soil.Naturalization
citizenship can not be used for POTUS.
He was born a bastard child in Kenya or so he says!
I say MKed Stanley Ann was artificially insimulated with Malcome X
sperm and was delivered at a NASA Mind Control facility on US soil.
None the less if there is no marriage Certifricate still means he was
fatherless,if he was naturalized in Indonesia VOIDS any previous
natural born citizenship.So there again he is said to be a dual
citizen thus not eligible to be POTUS.
You cant wish this out into the cornfield,it is in the 13th and 14th
amendment of our joke of a Constitution.
RHF
Larnrod Your Post Brings Up More Questions....
.
But First For Some 'Birther' Humor :o)
Oops... It's Hanging Chad's All Over Again !!!
Obama Releases a New and Improved 'Birther' Certificate V2.0
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/9e0c9455442f3db5
- = & = -
Rob Redding asks... Hey Trump ?
Show Us What's Under The Toupee !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/2425a3ad2391f554
.
.
=Questions= =Questions= =Questions= =Questions=
Oops Oops Oops That Brings Up More Questions . . .
-oops-questions-and-more-questions-never-ending-questions-
.
Where Is Obama's Parents Marriage License Registered ?
-oops-questions-and-more-questions-never-ending-questions-
.
Where Is Obama's Parents Divorce Papers Registered ?
-oops-questions-and-more-questions-never-ending-questions-
.
Where Is Obama-to-Soetaro Adoption Papers Registered ?
=The=Name=Change="To"=Question=
-oops-questions-and-more-questions-never-ending-questions-
.
Where Is Soetaro-Back-To-Obama Name Change
Papers Registered ?
=The=Name=Change="Back-To"=Question=
-oops-questions-and-more-questions-never-ending-questions-
.
Who's Name Is On The Obama {Soetaro?} College Records ?
=The=Adult=Legal=Name=Question=
-oops-questions-and-more-questions-never-ending-questions-
.
Did Obama {Soetaro?} Travel Using An Indonesian Passport ?
=The=Adult=Indonesian=Citizenship=Question=
-oops-questions-and-more-questions-never-ending-questions-
.
Fact Check # 1 : Was the individual that we now call
'Barack Obama' : Once Legally "Barry Soetaro" ? [YEP]
-oops-another-inconvenient-truth- {yep again}
-a- YES "BO" {Obama} Was As A Minor Child
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/34ba6fcb348c072b
.
Fact Check # 2 : Was the individual that we now call
'Barack Obama' : Once Legally a Citizen of Indonesia ? [YEP]
-oops-another-inconvenient-truth- {yep again}
-a- YES "BO" {Obama} Was As A Minor Child
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/34ba6fcb348c072b
.
Question... Did "BO" {Obama} as an Adult Travel using
the name 'Barry Soetaro' and Using an Indonesian Passport ?
-why-are-obama's-adult-records-sealed-?-
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/b599307219c910fc
.
Question... Did "BO" {Obama} as an Adult Apply a/o GoTo
College using the name 'Barry Soetaro' and Claiming to be
a Foreign Student from Indonesian ?
-why-are-obama's-college-records-sealed-?-
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/b599307219c910fc
.
OMG ! Yes Barack [H] Obama Was Legally 'Barry
Soetoro' and Was Legally a Citizen of Indonesia
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/08b9e51c003bd2a8
.
One Must Honestly Still Ask... {With Reservations}
Just How Did Someone Once Know as 'Barry Soetaro'
and a Legal Citizen of Indonesia Get Elected to the
US Prez-A-Duntzcy Under the Name Barack Obama ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/f3bc60d4d7ba8df8
.
.
Prez-A-Duntz Obama 'Reconsidering' Second Term Run
in 2012 : Obama Has Been Out Trump'ed !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/6102c3007ce6a3a4
.
OOPS ! : US President Obama May Not Be On-the-Ballot
in All 50 US States in 2012 -read-why-
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/b73a74c7b3d32061
.
WHY : US President Obama May Not Be On-the-Ballot
in All 50 States in 2012 -read-how-
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/5323d853d822b855
.
.
DANG ! --- ? Where's the Birth Certificate?:
"The Case That Barack Obama Is Not {No Way}
Eligible {Legally} To Be President"
the new tell-it-all book by Jerome Corsi
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1936488299/
Yeah - President Obama is Already Feeling
The Heat from Corsi's New Tell-It-All Book
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/b1f1247d81f80510
.
YES : Jerome Corsi's Book About Obama
Reveals Many More Unanswered Questions
Beyond the Birth Certificate Issue...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/b1f1247d81f80510
.
.
Iarnrod
> On Apr 30, 11:03 pm,Iarnrod<iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 30, 8:39 pm, joeturn <joeturn2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > If his father was not a citizen of the USA at the time of birth,he is
> > > an illegitimate POTUS.
>
> > That is legally incorrect. The citizenship status of either parent is
> > completely immaterial to his natural born citizenship, This is long
> > settled law and is not even remotely open to dispute.
>
> > > Since his father was still married to a wife in
> > > kenya he could not get married,legally in the USA.
>
> > That of course has nothing to do with anything and in fact would mean
> > that Obama would be a natural born citizenship even if he had been
> > born in Kenya. If Ann Dunham were not legally married at the time,
> > Obama could have been born anywhere BUT in the US and still be a
> > natural born citizen since the 5-year minimum residency requirement
> > after age 14 (Dunham was only 18 at the time) would not longer be
> > applicable.
>
> > You just kicked your OWN ass, WrongTurnJoe!!
> > BWAHAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAHA!!
>
> Larnrod Your Post Brings Up More Questions....
Yeah, like how do you reach a computer terminal from your padded cell.
BWAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAA!!!!
RHF
Larnrod,
Ah the typical Liberal-Fascist reply : Attack the
Messenger of Truth Never Address the Facts and
the Issues. Plus They Snip/Delete What You Wrote
About : The Facts and The Issues So No One Can
Know Their Dishonesty.
.
- - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - -
[>: To Liberal-Fascist {Democrat} Name Calling :<]
ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument :
When An Ever So Super-Smart "Enlightened" Liberal
Democrat Socialist Starts Fascist Name Calling*.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/318979fbe8546cfa
* They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional
+ Plus They Often Snip/Delete What You Wrote :
To Disguise Their Complete Inability To Carry The
Argument Forward. -that-is-how-i-see-it- ~ RHF©
.
Larnrod,
Well Here Is What I Wrote Again -one-more-time-:o)-
.
Larnrod Your Post Brings Up More Questions....
.
But First For Some 'Birther' Humor :o)
Oops... It's Hanging Chad's All Over Again !!!
Obama Releases a New and Improved 'Birther' Certificate V2.0
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/9e0c9455442f3db5
- = & = -
Rob Redding asks... Hey Trump ?
Show Us What's Under The Toupee !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/2425a3ad2391f554
.
.
=Questions= =Questions= =Questions= =Questions=
Oops Oops Oops V2.0 Brings Up More Questions . . .
cuh...@webtv.net
http://www.worldnetdaily.com
http://www.wnd.com
What's that about a made in China Watermark?
http://www.canadafreepress.com
cuhulin
joeturn
>
> - Show quoted text -
Limprod does Test Tube Babies have belly buttons? Just asking<I;-)
cuh...@webtv.net
A Satellite Code that can be discreetly set by a Pilot...
cuhulin
Iarnrod
> On May 1, 2:03 am, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 30, 8:39 pm, joeturn <joeturn2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > If his father was not a citizen of the USA at the time of birth,he is
> > > an illegitimate POTUS.
>
> > That is legally incorrect. The citizenship status of either parent is
> > completely immaterial to his natural born citizenship, This is long
> > settled law and is not even remotely open to dispute.
>
> > > Since his father was still married to a wife in
> > > kenya he could not get married,legally in the USA.
>
> > That of course has nothing to do with anything and in fact would mean
> > that Obama would be a natural born citizenship even if he had been
> > born in Kenya. If Ann Dunham were not legally married at the time,
> > Obama could have been born anywhere BUT in the US and still be a
> > natural born citizen since the 5-year minimum residency requirement
> > after age 14 (Dunham was only 18 at the time) would not longer be
> > applicable.
>
> > You just kicked your OWN ass, WrongTurnJoe!!
> > BWAHAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAHA!!
>
> Your getting hair lipped Limprod!
>
> Born in Kenya means not Natural born on US soil.
Actually it doesn't mean that at all, you stupid oaf.
He could have been born in Kenya and still be a natural born citizen.
Legal FACT that you are too stupid to grok.
> Naturalization
> citizenship can not be used for POTUS.
So you're saying that would invalidate McCain, whose "citizenship at
birth" was extended to him by act of Congress when he was two years
old?
BDK
@s9g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, joetu...@yahoo.com says...
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
>
> http://www.canadafreepress.com/
>
> How could he have recieved his nourishment from MKed Moma Ann without
> a belly button is that Natural Born to you?
>
> If you will dig you will find out invitro fertilization first became
> public in 1961.The first test tuse baby was named Barry Little s tha
> ta cocdnc that or very own Little Berry was born that very same year
> without a bely button. If you will keep digging you can see his real
> sperm donar was Malcom Little.
> So the big secret is he was not born naturally,but a product of
> Scientific Research.
>
> No wonder Stanley Ann was not concerned about lLittle Barry,she knew
> its parents(the mad NAZI Scientist) at NASA was looking after him!
BWHAHAHAHAHA! That's one of the craziest posts you've ever made.
Awesome kooktardery.
Government Shill #2
Wait!
Joe the kOOk believes that "test tube babies" don't have belly buttons?
OMFG!
OMFG!
How could someone be that stupid and be able to type?
Shill #2
--
With stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
Friedrich von Schiller (1759 - 1805)
BDK
gov....@gmail.com says...
If you read the article, it's obviously a satire. Joe doesn't understand
how that works. He's too simple of a man.
RHF
> On Mon, 2 May 2011 01:24:34 -0400, BDK <Cont...@Worldcontrol.com> wrote:
> >In article <d16a2cf3-a356-4469-a24b-915909c9a241
Government Shill #2 : So Take an Honest 'Look' at the
Obama 'Birther' Certificate V2.0 -details-details-details-
-read-
Obama Releases a New and Improved 'Birther' Certificate V2.0
-&- Oops... It Hanging Chad's All Over Again !
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.news-media/msg/ab73fe60ab2d7f6a
-why-all-the-penciled-in-numbers-mark-ups-
-on-the-original-micro-film-record-
-and-who-made-them...-who...-
Again : Take an Honest 'Look' at the Obama
'Birther' Certificate V2.0 -details-details-details-
-read-
Obama Releases a New and Improved 'Birther' Certificate V2.0
-and- Creates Yet More Doubt !
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.news-media/msg/4825b17fcd0065ad
-doubt-reasonable-doubt-&-un-reasonable-doubt-
.
.
cuh...@webtv.net
off of the PHONY FRAUD FAKE Birth Certificate FORGERY,,,, IS what it IS.
Can't y'all cats See That?
y'all Cats.Huh, Meowwwwwww,,,,,,
cuhulin
joeturn
>
> - Show quoted text -
Thats exacly what I'm saying a constitutional ammendment would have to
cover such naturalization and it has not been done thus far!
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/13th.htm
The Original 13th Article of Amendment
What was , by law, to be included in the re-publication (a special
edition) of the Virginia Civil Code? The Virginia legislature had
already agreed that all "Acts" were to go into effect on the same day
- the day that the "Act" to re-publish the Civil Code was enacted.
Therefore, the 13th Amendment's official date of ratification would be
the date of re-publication of the Virginia Civil Code: March 12, 1819.
http://web.archive.org/web/20011112092428/http://www.ptialaska.net/~swampy/amend_13/amendment.html
Subject: The Original 13th Article of Amendment -- Press Release
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:37:31 -0700
From: Bob Hardison bob...@nidlink.com
Organization: Barefoot's World
To: AP...@apfn.org
For Your Info -- We have just placed a new domain on the web --
We believe if it is brought before the public, significant changes can
be made...
The Original Thirteenth Article of Amendment To
The Constitution For The United States
The Original 13th Amendment
This Article of Amendment, ratified in 1819 and which just
"disappeared" in 1876, added an enforceable strict penalty, i.e.,
inability to hold office and loss of citizenship, for violations of
the already existing constitutional prohibition in Article 1, Section
9, Clause 8 on titles of nobility and other conflicts of citizenship
interest, such as accepting emoluments of any kind for services or
favors rendered or to be rendered, and is particularly applicable
today in the 21st Century as government is increasingly FOR SALE to
the highest bidder, as foreign and multinational corporations and
individuals compete to line the pockets of politicians and political
parties to accommodate and purchase protection or privilege, i.e.
honors, for their special interests.
=============================================
13AMDMT.ZIP 24272 11-12-93 Original 13th Amendment would have outlawed
Bar membership (atty's) and other Titles of
Nobility. May have actually been ratified.
http://www.state-citizen.org/files/generalresecisson/000contents.txt
The History and Ratification of the Original 13th amendment
http://www.original13thamendment.com/
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SECTION II CONSTRUCTIVE FRAUD
In January, 1810, Senator Reed proposed the "Title of
Nobility" Amendment (History of Congress, Proceedings of the
Senate, p. 529-530). On April 27, 1810, the Senate voted to pass
this 13th Amendment by a vote of 26 to 1; the House resolved in
the affirmative 87 to 3; and the resolve was sent to the States
for ratification: By Dec. 10, 1812, twelve of the required
thirteen States had ratified as follows: Maryland, Dec. 25,
1810; Kentucky, Jan. 31, 1811; Ohio, Jan. 31, 1811; Delaware, Feb.
2, 1811; Pennsylvania, Feb. 6, 1811; New Jersey, Feb. 13, 1811;
Vermont, Oct. 24, 1811; Tennessee, Nov. 21, 1811; Georgia, Dec.
13, 1811; North Carolina, Dec. 23, 1811; Massachusetts, Feb. 27,
1812;New Hampshire, Dec. 10, 1812. Before a thirteenth State could
ratify, the War of 1812 broke out and interupted this very rapid
move for ratification.
No record has been found that the State of Connecticut ever acted
to either accept or reject this original 13th Amendment. Yet, it
was published in three separate editions of "The Public Statute
Laws of the State of Connecticut" as a part of the U.S.
Constitution in 1821, 1824 and 1835. Then, without record or
explanation, it mysteriously disappeared from subsequent editions
prior to the Civil War between the states. However, printing by a
legislature is prima facie evidence of ratification, and it has
been found to have been printed as part of the Constitution in
this and many other states until around the Civil War period -
when it mysteriously disappeared from subsequent printings. It
was found to have been printed by the legislature of this State in
the following: 1821 - The Public Statute Laws of the State of
Connecticut, as revised and enacted by the General Assembly in
May, 1821 pg. 19 1824 - The Public Statute Laws of the State of
Connecticut, as revised and enacted by the General Assembly in
May, 1824 pg.18-19 1835 - The Public Statute Laws of the State of
Connecticut, compiled in obedience to a resolve of the General
Assembly passed May, 1835, to which is prefixed the Declaration of
Independence & Constitution of the United States and the State of
Connecticut, published by the authority of the State of
Connecticut. The Marginal note in all three publications reads:
"Citizenship forfeited by the acceptance, from a foreign power, of
any title of nobility, office or emolument of any kind, &c." The
prima facie evidence of ratification of this Amendment is
overwhelming. Since the creditors of this bankruptcy are foreign
powers and this "unacountable committee of lawyers'" spoken of by
Robert H. Bork have accepted and retained the "office of trustee"
for these creditors and foreign powers, their Citizenship has
been forfeited by this acceptance.
http://www.calneva.com/money/lawsuit3.htm
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"If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive, or
retain any title of nobility or honour, or shall without the consent
of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office, or
emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince, or
foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United
States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or
profit under them, or either of them."
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"The Constitution for the United States, Its Sources and Its
Application",
A Reference Work with Index, Landmark Court Cases, and A Short History
-
http://www.barefootsworld.net/constit1.html
The Missing 13th Amendment
"TITLES OF NOBILITY" AND "HONOR"
http://www.w3f.com/patriots/13/13th-01.html
The Original Thirteenth Amendment:
Titles of Nobility and Honour,
An Essay
The Original 13th Amendment Chapter 1
Below is proof of the de facto government's actions. Below is the
original thirteenth amendment as it appears in a manual printed in
1840 for American citizens- -
MEANING of the 13th AMENDMENT
The "missing" 13th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States
reads
as follows:
"If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive,
or retain any title of nobility or honour, or shall without the
consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension,
office, or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king,
prince, or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen
of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office
of trust or profit under them, or either of them."
At the first reading, the meaning of this 13th Amendment (also called
the
"title of nobility" Amendment) seems obscure, unimportant. The
references to
"nobility", "honour", "emperor", "king", and "prince" lead us to
dismiss
this amendment as a petty post-revolution act of spite directed
against the
British monarchy. But in our modern world of Lady Di and Prince
Charles,
anti-royalist sentiments seem so archaic and quaint, that the
Amendment can
be ignored. Not so. Consider some evidence of its historical
significance:
* First, "titles of nobility" were prohibited in both Article VI of
the
Articles of Confederation (1777) and in Article I, Sections 9 and 10
of
the Constitution of the United States (1787);
* Second, although already prohibited by the Constitution, an
additional
"title of nobility" amendment was proposed in 1789, again in 1810, and
according to Dodge, finally ratified in 1819.
Clearly, the founding fathers saw such a serious threat in "titles of
nobility" and "honors" that anyone receiving them would forfeit their
citizenship. Since the government prohibited "titles of nobility"
several
times over four decades, and went through the amending process (even
though
"titles of nobility" were already prohibited by the Constitution),
it's
obvious that the Amendment carried much more significance for our
founding
fathers than is readily apparent today.
http://www.tomdavisbooks.com/library/13thamend.html#mean13
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From the State of Maine
Constitution Printed in 1825
http://www.uhuh.com/constitution/1825const.htm
The Missing 13th Amendment
Copy (yes, another one)
http://web.archive.org/web/20030812105145/http://loveforamerica.freeyellow.com/13th.html
Analysis of the Real 13th Amendment
This amendment was meant to keep citizens of the United States from
accepting titles of nobility from foreign powers. The best example of
this would be honorary "knighthoods" given by the rulers of England to
people around the world who have performed a service for humanity.
http://web.archive.org/web/20021120054855/http://www.vaix.net/~captainnemo/plan/
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Esquire
A title applied by attorneys to themselves, to officers of the court,
to members of the bar, and others of ill repute. No one in the United
States is entitled to it by law, and therefore, it confers, no
distinction in law.
In England, it is a title next above that of a gentleman, and below a
knight. Camden records four kinds of esquires, particularly regarded
by the heralds:
1. The eldest sons of knights and their eldest sons, in perpetual
succession.
2. The eldest sons of the younger sons of peers, and their eldest sons
in like perpetual succession.
3. Esquires created by the king's letters patent, or other
investiture, and their eldest sons.
4. Esquires by virtue of their office, as justices of the peace, and
others who bear any office of trust under the crown.
NOBILITY. An order of men in several countries to whom privileges are
granted at the expense of the rest of the people.
The constitution of the United States provides that no state shall "
grant any title of nobility; and no person can become a citizen of the
United States until he has renounced all titles of nobility." The
Federalist, No. 84; 2 Story, Laws U. S. 851.
There is not in the constitution today any general prohibition against
any citizen whomsoever, whether in public or private life, accepting
any foreign title of nobility. An amendment of the constitution in
this respect has been recommended by congress, but it has not been
ratified by a sufficient number of states to make it a part of the
constitution. Rawle on the Const. 120; Story, Const. _1346.
The Court, in "Horst v. Moses", 48 Alabama 129, 142 (1872) gave the
following description of a title of nobility:
To confer a title of nobility, is to nominate to an order of persons
to whom privileges are granted at the expense of the rest of the
people. It is not necessarily hereditary, and the objection to it
arises more from the privileges supposed to be attached than to the
otherwise empty title or order. These components are forbidden
separately in the terms "privilege", "honor", and "emoluments", as
they are collectively in the term "title of nobility". The prohibition
is not affected by any consideration paid or rendered for the grant.
The prohibition of titles of nobility estops the claim of eminent
domain through fictions of law. Eminent domain is the legal euphemism
for expropriation, and unreasonable seizure given sanction by the
targets of this amendment.
Here is the original 13th amendment to the United States Constitution
that was ratified in 1819. Then attorneys caused it to disappear in
order to establish their claim of superiority with Titles of Nobility
over the people. The total ramifications of this earlier 13th
Amendment being unlawfully removed are very serious.
Article 13, ratified in 1819, reads as follows:
If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive or
retain and title of nobility or honour, or shall, without the consent
of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office or
emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince or
foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United
States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or
profit under them, or either of them.
The following states and/or territories have published the Titles of
Nobility 13th Amendment in their official publications as a ratified
amendment to the Constitution of the United States in the following
years:
Colorado ------- 1861, 1862, 1864, 1865, 1866, 1967, 1868
Connecticut --- 1821, 1824, 1835, 1839
Dakota ---------- 1862, 1863, 1867
Florida ---------- 1823, 1825, 1838
Georgia --------- 1819, 1822, 1837, 1846
Illinois ------------ 1823, 1825, 1827, 1833, 1839, dis. 1845
Indiana ----------- 1824, 1831, 1838
Iowa --------------- 1839, 1842, 1843
Kansas ----------- 1855, 1861, 1862, 1868
Kentucky -------- 1822
Louisiana -------- 1825, 1838/1838 [two separate publications]
Maine ------------- 1825, 1831
Massachusetts -1823
Michigan -------- 1827, 1833
Mississippi ------ 1823, 1824, 1839
Missouri ---------- 1825, 1835, 1840, 1841, 1845*
Nebraska --------- 1855, 1856, 1857, 1858, 1859, 1860, 1861, 1862,
1873
North Carolina - 1819, 1828
Northwestern Territories --- 1833
Ohio --------------- 1819, 1824, 1831, 1833, 1835, 1848
Pennsylvania --- 1818, 1824, 1831
Rhode Island ---- 1822
Virginia ---------- 1819 (ratification by 13th State)
Wyoming -------- 1869, 1876
Totals: 24 States in 78 separate official government publications.
OUTLAWS LEGAL SERVICE
Secrets of the Federal Reserve and the London Connection
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/reserve.htm
In 1829, the following note appears on p. 23, Vol. 1 of the New York
Revised Statutes: "In the edition of the Laws of the U.S. before
referred to, there is an amendment printed as article 13, prohibiting
citizens from accepting titles of nobility or honor, or presents,
offices, &c. from foreign nations. But, by a message of the president
of the United States of the 4th of February, 1818, in answer to a
resolution of the house of representatives, it appears that this
amendment had been ratified only by 12 states, and therefore had not
been adopted. See Vol. IV of the printed papers of the 1st session of
the 15th congress, No. 76." In 1854, a similar note appeared in the
Oregon Statutes. Both notes refer to the Laws of the United States,
1st vol. p. 73 (or 74).
http://w3f.com/patriots/13/13th-13.html
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THE CAMBRIAN PESHER
In the library basement, in the Special Documents Department of our
local university, you will find the Statutes at Large for the State of
Kansas for many of the years since its statehood, just prior to the
Civil War. In the back of these volumes you will find the official
text of the U.S. Constitution under which the State is governed. In
that text you will find the 13th Amendment to the Constitution. Here
is how the text reads:
"If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive or
retain any title of nobility or honor, or shall, without the consent
of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office or
emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince, or
foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United
States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or
profit under them, or either of them."
Researchers have found the above "original" 13th Amendment in the old
law books of all the States which were admitted prior to the Civil
War. And a debate currently rages over the significance of this
Amendment. (I obtained a notarized copy of the above, just in case
said volumes "disappeared" from the library shelves, an anomaly known
to occur when documents are found which embarrass the current
government.)
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joeturn
The sheeple are eating that shit up!
This Lady announced his death way back when and she was killed in
2007!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg&feature=player_embedded
John Smith
John McCain is a very special case. He certainly qualifies under the
spirit of the Constitution if not the exact letter ...:
The Panama Canal Zone was a US Territory:
"United States territory is any extent of region under the jurisdiction
of the federal government of the United States,[1] including all
waters[2] (around islands or continental tracts). The United States has
traditionally proclaimed the sovereign rights for exploring, exploiting,
conserving, and managing its territory.[3] This extent of territory is
all the area belonging to, and under the dominion of, the United States
federal government (which includes tracts lying at a distance from the
country) for administrative and other purposes.[1] The United States
total territory includes a subset of political divisions."
McCains birth and early childhood, plus a fraction of family background:
"John Sidney McCain III was born on August 29, 1936, at Coco Solo Naval
Air Station in the Panama Canal Zone, the second of three children born
to naval officer John S. McCain Jr. and his wife, Roberta. At the time
of his birth, the McCain family was stationed in the Panama Canal Zone,
under American control.
Both McCain's father and paternal grandfather, John Sidney McCain, Sr.,
were four-star admirals and his father rose to command all the U.S.
naval forces in the Pacific.
McCain spent his childhood and adolescent years moving between naval
bases in America and abroad. He attended Episcopal high School, a
private preparatory boarding school in Alexandria, Virginia, graduating
in 1954.
Following in the footsteps of his father and grandfather, McCain
graduated (fifth from the bottom of his class) from the Naval Academy at
Annapolis in 1958. He also graduated from flight school in 1960.
With the outbreak of the Vietnam War, McCain volunteered for combat duty
and began flying carrier-based attack planes on low-altitude bombing
runs against the North Vietnamese. He escaped serious injury on July 29,
1967, when his A-4 Skyhawk plane was accidentally shot by a missile on
board the USS Forestal, causing explosions and fires that killed 134.
On October 26, 1967, during his 23rd air mission, McCain's plane was
shot down during a bombing run over the North Vietnamese capital of
Hanoi. He broke both arms and one leg during the ensuing crash. McCain
was moved to Hoa Loa prison, nicknamed the "Hanoi Hilton," on December
9, 1969."
Any comparison between McCain and obama is the equivalent of comparing
swine shit to roses ...
Regards,
JS
wy
You mean McCain is the swine shit? Funny that the Senate had to pass
a resolution in April 2008 confirming McCain was a citizen. If he
already was one, why would they have to confirm it? I smell swine
shit spelled M-c-C-a-i-n .
John Smith
> ...
> *You* may not know there is concrete proof that it does, but that
> doesn't mean there isn't proof.
>
> Meanwhile, you have *no* rational reason to believe that it doesn't
> exist, yet you are claiming with certainty that it doesn't. You are
> irrational - a complete kook.
Obfuscate the morons all you wish, I don't care.
Here is the truth in vivid detail:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g30VCl_cgk
I have used Alex Jones because you know obama would sue him for accusing
the president of criminal activities in releasing a fraudulent birth
certificate in an attempt to influence voting for him.
Continue making a moron of yourself, it pains me not ...
... plonk ...
Regards,
JS
cuh...@webtv.net
Hospital at Coco Solo,Panama Canal Zone and his parents were American.
NO WAY in HELL! would I Ever Vote for John TRAITOR! McCain!
http://www.usvetdsp.com
cuhulin
John Smith
His father commanded the entire naval fleet in the pacific ... makes you
wonder what ever happened to John III?
But heck, in the end, they just have to be smart enough to take their
orders from the rich elite puppet masters pulling the stings ...
Regards,
JS
cuh...@webtv.net
be Osama Bin Laden! said a woman on ABC (All Bout Communism) TV news.
I have a beard, I am unkemp and uncouth too.Luckily I am under six feet
tall! I bush hog my beard off about every six months.
cuhulin, the unkemp under six feet tall