White House releases Obama's long form birth certificate.
Mike
not a real American?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/27/obama-birth-certificate-r_n_854248.html
jf...@my-deja.com
> What will the Republicans do next to convince America that Obama is
> not a real American?
how it was fabricate by the CIA on orders from the White House. And
just to compound the hyprocrisy, the will also criticize him for
wasting time and taxpayer money on responding to the birther nuts.
Burr
--
Burr
From The Gardens
Roses & Orchids
Guiguinto, Bulacan. Philippines
http://www.guiguinto.gov.ph/
And Red Mountain, Ca. USA
I'm a member of The Tea Party, I VOTE
"Mike" <mwbr...@aol.com> wrote in message
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bpnjensen
> Lets see what Smith the Mouth has to say now.
>
> --
> Burr
> From The Gardens
> Roses & Orchids
> And Red Mountain, Ca. USA
> I'm a member of The Tea Party, I VOTE
"Birthers Demand to See Obama's Placenta"
http://www.theonion.com/articles/afterbirthers-demand-to-see-obamas-placenta,6866/
John Smith
I guess they didn't release the real birth certificate back when idiots
and morons were saying they did, huh?
Now that we have part of the truth, how difficult is the rest going to be?
Regards,
JS
John Smith
I am still over joyed that the moron aholes who claimed the
certification was a real birth certificate can now be made the liars
they are and have to eat their words as we all look at a REAL? birth
certificate!
Regards,
JS
John Smith
> Lets see what Smith the Mouth has to say now.
>
>
I say this is an example of how a REAL birth certificate should look.
Were you claiming the false document was a real birth certificate?
Now we have the real document to look at and help us find out the real
story ... gesus what a hassle to get him to come up with a real birth
certificate.
Now, we will have to see if he is a natural born citizen and he didn't
surrender his citizenship to become an indonesian citizen and if he even
applied to be repatriated when he returned from indonisia schools.
The liars who claimed the last certification was real need to be
watched, they will be busy switching their lies about now!
Regards,
JS
cuh...@webtv.net
SHEESH!
///Mope, we gots a 'Live One' there///
Yeah Sang, I knows it.
cuhulin
John Smith
I am highly aware that people attempt to forge false documents. Indeed,
it could be called a common practice in this day and age of identity fraud.
I don't have the equipment or people to properly examine and question
the document, I will have to leave that to others ... if they come up
with anything worthwhile, we will chat it up here, I am sure.
However, there is still the other discussion of if he is qualified and
eligible to be president, we now might have the real birth certificate
where this can finally be determined.
Regards,
JS
w spilman
"John Smith" <win....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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The first document was all that is required to prove
American citizenship. Nobody lied, loser.
Alfred stomacker
wrote:
No now we have the real looking one .
Hawaii already stated many times that no one can obtain a long form
BC .
Hawaii officials also stated that no long form existed . They it was
missing .
Hawaii also stated to Anderson cooper's team , aired yesterday , that
you can get one just ask for it ..."???? WTF . thought you could not
do that .
Oh yes and Hawaii has a law forbidding the release of the long form
BC.
But Obama just happens to find his .
anyone can forge a document . Anyone can pay a person on the take to
sign it and swear it is legal .
cuh...@webtv.net
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=306850
Four people killed last night in Mississippi, stormy weather.Alabama
too.We have a tornado watch/warnings untill about 7:00 PM this
evening.Y'all, keep your eyes on the Skys.
cuhulin
John Smith
> ...
> The first document was all that is required to prove
> American citizenship. Nobody lied, loser.
>
>
Confabulated and lying to the very end ... you go on record ...
With the real birth certificate (supposedly) we now can properly have
this issue examined. If a valid document, this fulfills the requirement
demanded by the Constitution, but only as far as birth proof.
The parents nationality, whether he ever surrendered citizenship, to
assume citizenship of another country, the legal questions of the
influence of his parents citizenship, etc. will all need to be examined
also, after this document has had time to be properly vetted ...
Just ending the lies of the false certification being proper has ended
... those nutjobs are now on record ...
Regards,
JS
John Smith
I'll keep an open mind and not jump to conclusion, don't worry.
It'll all come out in the wash ... women have known that for time
immemorial!
Regards,
JS
D Peter Maus
The questions raised by the statement by the Governor of Hawaii
stating that the long form certificate did not exist, aside, John, the
real issues should be defeating this guy at the polls and defeating his
agenda in the political arena.
Put your energy there. Even if what you suspect were to be true,
there's no entity in the nation that's going to remove him from office,
nor negate his policies based on the birth issue alone.
Put your energy into educating your opponents about policy, the
lessons of history, and strength of the founding documents in a Third
Millenium world.
Put your energy where it can inspire action.
Howard Brazee
wrote:
>Confabulated and lying to the very end ... you go on record ...
>
>With the real birth certificate (supposedly) we now can properly have
>this issue examined. If a valid document, this fulfills the requirement
>demanded by the Constitution, but only as far as birth proof.
There is no Constitutional requirement for a paper trail of his birth.
And there have been Supreme Court decisions which indicated that a
president does not need to be born in the U.S. or a U.S. territory if
he has a U.S. citizen as a parent.
But as I said before - the nuts cannot accept that Obama is president
of the U.S. Therefore, they must create fantasies and ignore facts
to satisfy themselves that he's not a legitimate president.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
cuh...@webtv.net
http://www.lucianne.com
Forensics Experts can tear that Phoney Fraud Fake POS All To Pieces! Get
with it, Forensics Experts.
Are you an LDotter?
http://www.angelfire.com/md2/Ldotvets
cuhulin
John Smith
> ...
> The questions raised by the statement by the Governor of Hawaii stating
> that the long form certificate did not exist, aside, John, the real
> issues should be defeating this guy at the polls and defeating his
> agenda in the political arena.
>
> Put your energy there. Even if what you suspect were to be true, there's
> no entity in the nation that's going to remove him from office, nor
> negate his policies based on the birth issue alone.
>
That would be a crime in itself. To criminally assist an illegal
president is above and beyond being worthy of the charge of treason.
> Put your energy into educating your opponents about policy, the lessons
> of history, and strength of the founding documents in a Third Millenium
> world.
>
> Put your energy where it can inspire action.
>
Peter:
Your text is well taken here. You name very important ideals, and truth.
However, this needs followed to the very end. This issue of a president
attempting to sit office without proper documentation and proof of
eligibility NEVER NEEDS HAPPEN AGAIN!
However, it appears I find myself 95% in agreement with you!
Regards,
JS
John Smith
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 10:24:22 -0700, John Smith<win....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Confabulated and lying to the very end ... you go on record ...
>>
>> With the real birth certificate (supposedly) we now can properly have
>> this issue examined. If a valid document, this fulfills the requirement
>> demanded by the Constitution, but only as far as birth proof.
>
> There is no Constitutional requirement for a paper trail of his birth.
>
> And there have been Supreme Court decisions which indicated that a
> president does not need to be born in the U.S. or a U.S. territory if
> he has a U.S. citizen as a parent.
>
>
>
> But as I said before - the nuts cannot accept that Obama is president
> of the U.S. Therefore, they must create fantasies and ignore facts
> to satisfy themselves that he's not a legitimate president.
>
Apparently even the whitehouse is in disagreement with you and has
finally done the right thing ...
Regards,
JS
Joe from Kokomo
> I am highly aware that people attempt to forge false documents.
> Indeed, it could be called a common practice in this day and age of
> identity fraud.
Well, I wondered how long it would be until someone questioned the
validity of the document.
Birther Kooktard: "Oh, the document is a fraud!"
Reasonable person: "OK, we'll get an expert to check it".
BK: "Oh, the expert checking it is on the take. I don't trust him".
Blah, blah, blah...round and round it goes.
The next thing you know, people will start questioning whether his
mother was a citizen. Ooops, sorry, the troll JS of oral diarrhea fame
already did bring that up.
> The parents nationality, whether he ever surrendered citizenship, to
> assume citizenship of another country, the legal questions of the
> influence of his parents citizenship, etc. will all need to be
> examined also, after this document has had time to be properly
> vetted ...
There is no end to it. Once a Birther Kooktard, Always a Birther Kooktard.
John Smith
>>
> No now we have the real looking one .
>
> Hawaii already stated many times that no one can obtain a long form
> BC .
>
> Hawaii officials also stated that no long form existed . They it was
> missing .
>
> Hawaii also stated to Anderson cooper's team , aired yesterday , that
> you can get one just ask for it ..."???? WTF . thought you could not
> do that .
>
> Oh yes and Hawaii has a law forbidding the release of the long form
> BC.
>
> But Obama just happens to find his .
>
> anyone can forge a document . Anyone can pay a person on the take to
> sign it and swear it is legal .
Yep, this document, in and of itself, even if forged, BRINGS A LOT OF
LIES AND EVIL DECEPTION TO THE FOREFRONT!
Regards,
JS
MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE
> stating that the long form certificate did not exist, aside, John, the
> real issues should be defeating this guy at the polls and defeating his
> agenda in the political arena.
>
> Put your energy there. Even if what you suspect were to be true,
> there's no entity in the nation that's going to remove him from office,
> nor negate his policies based on the birth issue alone.
>
> Put your energy into educating your opponents about policy, the
> lessons of history, and strength of the founding documents in a Third
> Millenium world.
>
> Put your energy where it can inspire action.
D Peter Maus <
> On 4/27/11 12:24 , John Smith wrote:
>> On 4/27/2011 10:05 AM, w spilman wrote:.
>>> The first document was all that is required to prove
>>> American citizenship. Nobody lied, loser.
>
>> Confabulated and lying to the very end ... you go on record ...
>>
>> With the real birth certificate (supposedly) we now can properly have
>> this issue examined. If a valid document, this fulfills the requirement
>> demanded by the Constitution, but only as far as birth proof.
>>
>> The parents nationality, whether he ever surrendered citizenship, to
>> assume citizenship of another country, the legal questions of the
>> influence of his parents citizenship, etc. will all need to be examined
>> also, after this document has had time to be properly vetted ...
>>
>> Just ending the lies of the false certification being proper has ended
>> ... those nutjobs are now on record ...
>
> The questions raised by the statement by the Governor of Hawaii
> stating that the long form certificate did not exist, aside, John, the
> real issues should be defeating this guy at the polls and defeating his
> agenda in the political arena.
>
> Put your energy there. ...
>
> Put your energy into educating your opponents about policy, ...
>
> Put your energy where it can inspire action.
Well said. and TRUE.
Birthers should be aware
that they have been PWNED by the LIBs.
THEY WERE WARNED.
No amount of Clownery in a Field of Clowns will reveal him
to be the one Clown who doesn't really mean it.
-- Scott Adams'10 (2 days ago).
As the world burns,
and Civilization crumbles,
as he pits man against other men,
OBAMA is laughing at their superior intellect
even as he makes Trophies of Men and their families.
http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/160688.jpg
Realise what motivates LIBs, THUGS, and Senior Gov't Politico's to do this:
http://www.cliffordmay.org/2010/an-old-fashioned-war
Why did Spartans, Persians, Macedonians and Romans fight?
What motivated Bonaparte to take on the Austrians, the Ottomans,
the Russians and the English? What caused Imperial Japan to attempt
to conquer Asia?
Almost a thousand years ago, Genghis Khan provided a candid and classic
answer: “Man's highest joy is victory: to conquer his enemies;
to pursue them; to deprive them of their possessions; to make their
beloved weep; to ride on their horses; and to embrace their wives
and daughters.”
DESERVE FREEDOM. Defeat LIB Strategic Insanity.
If you are not a student of practical jokes, you might not know they
have a specific formula. A proper practical joke is more than a
surprise or a lie. The magic part of the prank formula involves leaving
enormous clues that are obvious to everyone but the target of the prank.
The point being that NOTHING is more Powerful
than a PEOPLE that have been LIED TO and CHEATED out
of a future worth having -- if this one fact does not motivate
Good Men to act, then all hope for rebuilding from the Ruins is LOST !!!
CLOWN (R)EVOLUTION::
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5yhxqkJiAQ&feature=player_embedded
OBAMA's Truth Squad's wearing the masks.
LIBs. What price their Vision?
---
LIBs plead for a Morality which holds COMPROMISE as its standard of
Value, making it possible to judge Virtue on the basis of the number of
Values which one is willing to Betray.
http://www.amazon.com/Roots-Obamas-Rage-Dinesh-DSouza/dp/1596986255
THE ROOTS OF OBAMA's RAGE
The real Obama is a man shaped by experiences far different from those
of most Americans; he is a much stranger, more determined, and
exponentially more dangerous man than you’d ever imagined. He is not
motivated by the civil rights struggles of African Americans in the
1960s those battles leave him wholly untouched. He is not motivated by
the socialist or Marxist propaganda that hypnotized a whole generation
of wooly minded academics and condescending liberals those concepts
also leave him cold.
What really motivates Barack Obama is an inherited rage an often
masked, but profound rage that comes from his African father; an
anticolonialist rage against Western dominance, and most especially
against the wealth and power of the very nation Barack Obama now leads.
It is this rage that explains the previously inexplicable, and that
gives us a startling look at what might lie ahead.
In The Roots of Obama’s Rage you’ll learn: Why Obama’s economic
policies are actually designed to make America poorer compared to the
rest of the world Why Obama will welcome a nuclear Iran Why Obama sees
America as a rogue nation worse than North Korea The real reason Obama
banished a bust of Winston Churchill from the White House and ordered
NASA to praise the scientific contributions of Muslims Why Obama would
like to make America’s superpower status a thing of the past
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0927/politics-socialism-capitalism-
private-enterprises-obama-business-problem.html
HOW OBAMA THINKS
Barack Obama is the most antibusiness president in a generation,
perhaps in American history. Thanks to him the era of big government is
back. Obama runs up taxpayer debt not in the billions but in the
trillions. He has expanded the federal government's control over home
mortgages, investment banking, health care, autos and energy.
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/02/28/barack-obama%E2%80%99s-moral-
concession-to-evil/
Barack Obama’s Moral Concession to Evil
American presidents who declare that they will bow to the demands of
dictators who threaten American citizens are declaring that there is
nothing they will not betray. For those who were disturbed by President
Obama’s diffidence in the face of Qaddafi’s wickedness, it’s worse than
you think. The ramifications of Mr. Obama’s actions will outlive whatever
happens in Tripoli.
DESERVE PEACE.
DESERVE FREEDOM.
DEMAND COMPETANCE.
DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY.
DEFEAT LIB STRATEGIC INSANITY.
IT REALLY IS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
LIB STRATEGIC INSANITY CAN AND MUST BE DEFEATED.
EVIL HAS NO POWER WHEN THE GOOD REMAIN UNAFRAID.
John Smith
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 09:29:57 -0700, John Smith<win....@gmail.com>
> wrote this crap:
>
>> I am still over joyed that the moron aholes who claimed the
>> certification was a real birth certificate can now be made the liars
>> they are and have to eat their words as we all look at a REAL? birth
>> certificate!
>>
>> Regards,
>> JS
>
> who called me a liar and got ridiculed again. Who's laughing now?
>
> Let's see what kind of excuse they come up with if he's found to be an
> alien from Myanus.
>
> Vote for Trump in 2012. Repeal the nightmares.
I thought the embarrassment from all your worthless past text would halt
any creation of more ... ROFLOL
Regards,
JS
John Smith
>> ...
I'd say brithers have been totally vindicated by finally having it
admitted that the first document was NOT A REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE!
Of course, the fools who now look to give reason why proven liars should
now be trusted will pop up with the moronic concept!
Regards,
JS
Howard Brazee
wrote:
>However, this needs followed to the very end. This issue of a president
>attempting to sit office without proper documentation and proof of
>eligibility NEVER NEEDS HAPPEN AGAIN!
You don't want another Lincoln born in a log cabin to become
president. Unless he's white, of course.
Howard Brazee
wrote:
>> But as I said before - the nuts cannot accept that Obama is president
>> of the U.S. Therefore, they must create fantasies and ignore facts
>> to satisfy themselves that he's not a legitimate president.
>>
>
>Apparently even the whitehouse is in disagreement with you and has
>finally done the right thing ..
The nuts still won't accept it. The president made a political move
to make them look even more ridiculous.
Black Obama Voter @ghetto.org Obama's 15.5 % Black Unemployment rate : Hope & Change ! LOL!
"John Smith" <win....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ip9gjv$3vi$4...@dont-email.me...
I wonder who photoshpped Obama's today?
http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl
Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are
preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no
longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy
of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.
Black Obama Voter @ghetto.org Obama's 15.5 % Black Unemployment rate : Hope & Change ! LOL!
"John Smith" <win....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ip9jge$3vj$2...@dont-email.me...
http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl
Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are
preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no
longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy
of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.
===========
So who Photoshopped the One Obama released today?
John Smith
> ...
> Better to put that energy to prosecuting the players
> of the previous regime that got us so deep into this mess
> that's going to take more than a single term to recover from.
> Or, if the repugs are off-limits, then just keep looking
> for that birth certificate. ;-)
Oh, you haven't heard, the birth certificate which didn't exist, was
lost or was really just a certification was found to EXIST.
Apparently a miracle of near biblical proportions! Or, else the liars
were just lying all along ...
Regards,
JS
John Smith
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 11:03:31 -0700, John Smith<win....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> However, this needs followed to the very end. This issue of a president
>> attempting to sit office without proper documentation and proof of
>> eligibility NEVER NEEDS HAPPEN AGAIN!
>
> You don't want another Lincoln born in a log cabin to become
> president. Unless he's white, of course.
>
Now you are claiming Lincoln didn't have a birth certificate?
Any proof, we shall check it out!
Notice how much difference there is between a CERTIFICATION and a
CERTIFICATE now?
Regards,
JS
John Smith
> Alfred stomacker wrote:
>>
>> anyone can forge a document . Anyone can pay a person on the take to
>> sign it and swear it is legal .
>
Yeah, we know, and closely watch liars, such as yourself!
Regards,
JS
John Smith
OK. We hear you!
Your point that we caught you lying and attempting to get everyone to
ignore that a real birth certificate hadn't been produced has now
morphed into:
OK, WE WERE CAUGHT LYING, BUT DON'T LOOK ANY FURTHER. EVERYTHING WE SAY
NOW WILL BE TRUTH!
ROFLOL
Gee, how new and revolutionary a ploy!
Regards,
JS
jf...@my-deja.com
> I'd say brithers have been totally vindicated by finally having it
> admitted that the first document was NOT A REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE!
http://bertc.com/subfive/recipes/threecrows.htm
Enjoy. I am sure it will taste good. Haing endured three years of
the brither kooks beatingt a dead horse, we can look forward to an
equal amount of payback as they are subjected to the ridicule and
humiliation that they so richly deserve.
cuh...@webtv.net
Al Bundy should have Flushed that Crapper One More Time!
http://www.bundyology.com
cuhulin
Alfred stomacker
rate : Hope & Change ! LOL!" <unemployed Black Obama Voter @
Ghetto.org> wrote:
no way Obama just got one . Damn the Hawaii laws . He bows to no laws
.
John Smith
> ...
> You are a fool Larry. You were years ago when you first appeared
> here, you still are. Birthers are the morons.
>
>
> ___,
> \o
> |
> / \
> .
> “Someone likes every shot”
> bk
Gesus!
TOTALLY discredited, you now branch off to further personal attacks with
your credibility to be in such shreds as to be none existent, lies laid
bare, and the nakedness of your imbecilic-idiotic-moronic rantings
showing as a black blotch on a white canvas.
You stand out as the true leaders of the band of morons!
ROFLOL
Quit puffing off the golf club shaped bong you tote around! Your head
may yet clear up!
Regards,
JS
MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE
> On Apr 27, 11:14 am, John Smith <>> I'd say brithers have been totally
>> admitted that the first document was NOT A REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE!
>
> http://bertc.com/subfive/recipes/threecrows.htm
>
> Enjoy. I am sure it will taste good. Haing endured three years of
> the brither kooks beatingt a dead horse, we can look forward to an
> equal amount of payback as they are subjected to the ridicule and
> humiliation that they so richly deserve.
$6/Gallon gasoline. 20% unemployment, 25% apr,
a World in Flames and Civilization in Ruins
where the Guilty are Rewarded,
where the Innocent are Punished
where the Mediocre, the Unworthy, the Depraved
are Championed ont he basis of their Depravity.
A Paradise for LIB-kind.
A World where Everything is owned
by Everyone and enjoyed by NONE.
MEET THE NEW BOSS
http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/160688.jpg
HELLWORLD'S COO: LAUGHING AT THEIR SUPERIOR INTELLECT.
If you are not a student of practical jokes, you might not know they
have a specific formula. A proper practical joke is more than a
surprise or a lie. The magic part of the prank formula involves leaving
enormous clues that are obvious to everyone but the target of the prank.
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/02/28/barack-obama%E2%80%99s-moral-
concession-to-evil/
Barack Obama’s Moral Concession to Evil
American presidents who declare that they will bow to the demands of
dictators who threaten American citizens are declaring that there is
nothing they will not betray. For those who were disturbed by President
Obama’s diffidence in the face of Qaddafi’s wickedness, it’s worse than
you think. The ramifications of Mr. Obama’s actions will outlive whatever
happens in Tripoli.
LIBs. What Price their Vision?
---
DESERVE FREEDOM. DEFEAT LIB STRATEGIC INSANITY.
Alfred stomacker
wrote:
>
>"John Smith" <win....@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:ip9gjv$3vi$4...@dont-email.me...
>> On 4/27/2011 7:11 AM, Burr wrote:
>>> Lets see what Smith the Mouth has to say now.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I say this is an example of how a REAL birth certificate should look. Were
>> you claiming the false document was a real birth certificate?
>>
>> Now we have the real document to look at and help us find out the real
>> story ... gesus what a hassle to get him to come up with a real birth
>> certificate.
>>
>> Now, we will have to see if he is a natural born citizen and he didn't
>> surrender his citizenship to become an indonesian citizen and if he even
>> applied to be repatriated when he returned from indonisia schools.
>>
>> The liars who claimed the last certification was real need to be watched,
>> they will be busy switching their lies about now!
>>
>> Regards,
>> JS
>
>The first document was all that is required to prove
>American citizenship. Nobody lied, loser.
>
except Obama and the dem party leadership and the Hawaii officials
Alfred stomacker
wrote:
>On 4/27/2011 10:05 AM, w spilman wrote:
>
>> ...
>> The first document was all that is required to prove
>> American citizenship. Nobody lied, loser.
>>
>>
>
>Confabulated and lying to the very end ... you go on record ...
>
>With the real birth certificate (supposedly) we now can properly have
>this issue examined. If a valid document, this fulfills the requirement
>demanded by the Constitution, but only as far as birth proof.
>
>The parents nationality, whether he ever surrendered citizenship, to
>assume citizenship of another country, the legal questions of the
>influence of his parents citizenship, etc. will all need to be examined
>also, after this document has had time to be properly vetted ...
>
>Just ending the lies of the false certification being proper has ended
>... those nutjobs are now on record ...
>
>Regards,
>JS
he still can not pass the citizenship test as his mother was not old
enough to transfer it to him and his father is not an American.
Besides he is a Kenyan fraud . He himself calls Kenya " home "
but liberals do not care about the law or facts so they will continue
to cry racist about the BC . It is all they have
Alfred stomacker
wrote:
>On 4/27/11 12:24 , John Smith wrote:
>> On 4/27/2011 10:05 AM, w spilman wrote:
>>
>>> ...
>>> The first document was all that is required to prove
>>> American citizenship. Nobody lied, loser.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Confabulated and lying to the very end ... you go on record ...
>>
>> With the real birth certificate (supposedly) we now can properly have
>> this issue examined. If a valid document, this fulfills the requirement
>> demanded by the Constitution, but only as far as birth proof.
>>
>> The parents nationality, whether he ever surrendered citizenship, to
>> assume citizenship of another country, the legal questions of the
>> influence of his parents citizenship, etc. will all need to be examined
>> also, after this document has had time to be properly vetted ...
>>
>> Just ending the lies of the false certification being proper has ended
>> ... those nutjobs are now on record ...
>>
>> Regards,
>> JS
>
>
>
> The questions raised by the statement by the Governor of Hawaii
>stating that the long form certificate did not exist, aside, John, the
>real issues should be defeating this guy at the polls and defeating his
>agenda in the political arena.
>
> Put your energy there. Even if what you suspect were to be true,
>there's no entity in the nation that's going to remove him from office,
>nor negate his policies based on the birth issue alone.
>
> Put your energy into educating your opponents about policy, the
>lessons of history, and strength of the founding documents in a Third
>Millenium world.
>
> Put your energy where it can inspire action.
>
>
>
so you think it is possible to educate a democrat ? Ha . Your a funny
guy. they drank the Kool Aid and are now brain dead to facts
Alfred stomacker
wrote:
>On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 11:03:31 -0700, John Smith <win....@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>However, this needs followed to the very end. This issue of a president
>>attempting to sit office without proper documentation and proof of
>>eligibility NEVER NEEDS HAPPEN AGAIN!
>
>You don't want another Lincoln born in a log cabin to become
>president. Unless he's white, of course.
we sure do not want no Obama born in Kenya to be in charge even if he
is half white .
Alfred stomacker
wrote:
>On 4/27/2011 11:15 AM, Howard Brazee wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 11:03:31 -0700, John Smith<win....@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> However, this needs followed to the very end. This issue of a president
>>> attempting to sit office without proper documentation and proof of
>>> eligibility NEVER NEEDS HAPPEN AGAIN!
>>
>> You don't want another Lincoln born in a log cabin to become
>> president. Unless he's white, of course.
>>
>
>Now you are claiming Lincoln didn't have a birth certificate?
>
>Any proof, we shall check it out!
>
>Notice how much difference there is between a CERTIFICATION and a
>CERTIFICATE now?
>
>Regards,
>JS
facts again. stop that . It is confusing them . They will all start
wondering around the streets blubbering and drooling .
John Smith
>> ...
> he still can not pass the citizenship test as his mother was not old
> enough to transfer it to him and his father is not an American.
>
> Besides he is a Kenyan fraud . He himself calls Kenya " home "
>
>
> but liberals do not care about the law or facts so they will continue
> to cry racist about the BC . It is all they have
Interesting point.
In 1961 you did not achieve adult status until 21 years of age.
Regards,
JS
John Smith
Interesting, having been caught lying, their new ploy is to accuse those
vindicated of perpetuating their lies?
Damn, that is brazen for even a public servant to attempt!
Regards,
JS
Alfred stomacker
wrote:
>On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 10:24:22 -0700, John Smith <win....@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Confabulated and lying to the very end ... you go on record ...
>>
>>With the real birth certificate (supposedly) we now can properly have
>>this issue examined. If a valid document, this fulfills the requirement
>>demanded by the Constitution, but only as far as birth proof.
>
>There is no Constitutional requirement for a paper trail of his birth.
>
>And there have been Supreme Court decisions which indicated that a
>president does not need to be born in the U.S. or a U.S. territory if
>he has a U.S. citizen as a parent.
>
but his parent does have to be in the US 5 years prior to his birth .
she did not qualify .
and daddy was not an American that is a fact.
>
>
>But as I said before - the nuts cannot accept that Obama is president
>of the U.S. Therefore, they must create fantasies and ignore facts
>to satisfy themselves that he's not a legitimate president.
he gives many reasons why he should not be president . Anyone with his
associations should not have been allowed to run .
Obama could not get anywhere near air force one before he was elected
because of his anti American activity and associations
Alfred stomacker
wrote:
>On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 11:05:44 -0700, John Smith <win....@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>> But as I said before - the nuts cannot accept that Obama is president
>>> of the U.S. Therefore, they must create fantasies and ignore facts
>>> to satisfy themselves that he's not a legitimate president.
>>>
>>
>>Apparently even the whitehouse is in disagreement with you and has
>>finally done the right thing ..
>
>The nuts still won't accept it. The president made a political move
>to make them look even more ridiculous.
all, he did was prove he is a criminal .
Alfred stomacker
wrote:
>On 4/27/2011 11:48 AM, Alfred stomacker wrote:
well unless of course they wanted to have you die in a war . Then your
a man. But not with a beer in your hand .
John Smith
> In article<ip9me1$e9n$4...@dont-email.me>,
> John Smith<win....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 4/27/2011 11:10 AM, MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE wrote:
>>
>> >> ...
>>
>> I'd say brithers have been totally vindicated by finally having it
>> admitted that the first document was NOT A REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE!
>
>
>>
>> Of course, the fools who now look to give reason why proven liars should
>> now be trusted will pop up with the moronic concept!
>>
>> Regards,
>> JS
>
ROFLOL
You've got balls, I have to admit that, sanity be damned!
A receipt for a birth certificate, not being a birth certificate should
not prevent you from blatantly making a moron of yourself!
It is a free country, yanno'?
Run along and play with the other children now, the adults are talking ...
ROFLOL
Regards,
JS
John Smith
> ...
> Larry, you incredible simpleton, if it was going to be a forgery, it
> would be a lot better than that.
>
> I think they reworked a digital image of it to enhance readability.
> ...
Well, OF COURSE.
There never has been any identity theft, only digital enhancement!
ROFLOL
Regards,
JS
cuh...@webtv.net
other one.
''They'' will probally rebuild it again.
Top Shrink, Harold Lyle (or is he Lyle Harold?) Rossiter MD in Saint
Charles,Illinois said democrats and libturds are Clinically Insane!
cuhulin
Igor
wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 09:34:58 -0700, John Smith <win.co...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On 4/27/2011 7:11 AM, Burr wrote:
> >> Lets see what Smith the Mouth has to say now.
>
> >I say this is an example of how a REAL birth certificate should look.
> >Were you claiming the false document was a real birth certificate?
>
> >Now we have the real document to look at and help us find out the real
> >story ... gesus what a hassle to get him to come up with a real birth
> >certificate.
>
> >Now, we will have to see if he is a natural born citizen and he didn't
> >surrender his citizenship to become an indonesian citizen and if he even
> >applied to be repatriated when he returned from indonisia schools.
>
> >The liars who claimed the last certification was real need to be
> >watched, they will be busy switching their lies about now!
>
> >Regards,
> >JS
>
>
> Hawaii already stated many times that no one can obtain a long form
> BC .
They never did, freeper. Go back and figure it out. You're bending
the truth until it breaks, stupid redneck.
> Hawaii officials also stated that no long form existed . They it was
> missing .
They never said that either. See above.
> Hawaii also stated to Anderson cooper's team , aired yesterday , that
> you can get one just ask for it ..."???? WTF . thought you could not
> do that .
Think about it awhile. Oh, I forgot. I'm asking a man who reacts
without thinking all the time to think about something. Sorry about
that, redneck. Can anybody just walk in and request someone else's
birth documents?
> Oh yes and Hawaii has a law forbidding the release of the long form
> BC.
Nope. Wrong!
> But Obama just happens to find his .
He's trying to appease you clueless stupid rednecks. Too bad your
atrophied brains won't get it.
> anyone can forge a document . Anyone can pay a person on the take to
> sign it and swear it is legal .
Yes, I understand. You're saying you hate Obama that much that you
can never believe anything he says.
Krypsis
> On 4/27/2011 10:05 AM, w spilman wrote:
>
>> ...
>> American citizenship. Nobody lied, loser.
>>
>>
>
>
> With the real birth certificate (supposedly) we now can properly have
> this issue examined. If a valid document, this fulfills the requirement
> demanded by the Constitution, but only as far as birth proof.
The constitution required only that he be a natural born citizen. The
onus of proof was never specified. The original Certification Of Live
Birth was sufficient for the US government but not, it would seem, for
you nutjobs.
>
> The parents nationality, whether he ever surrendered citizenship, to
> assume citizenship of another country, the legal questions of the
Even if he took up citizenship of another country, it is still possible
for him to retake US citizenship and STILL fulfill the requirements of
the constitution. After all, he WAS born in the US.
> influence of his parents citizenship, etc. will all need to be examined
His parents citizenship has absolutely nothing to do with it.
> also, after this document has had time to be properly vetted ...
This document came from the same place as the other that you disputed,
the registrar of births, deaths and marriages.
>
> Just ending the lies of the false certification being proper has ended
> .... those nutjobs are now on record ...
The US government was quite satisfied with the original. It's just you
nutjobs who aren't and, even now, are looking to dispute the document
you demanded to see.
> Regards,
> JS
Krypsis
Igor
Change ! LOL!" <unemployed Black Obama Voter @ Ghetto.org> wrote:
Apparently the same guy who photoshopped your certificate of mental
health.
Krypsis
> On 4/27/2011 10:35 AM, D Peter Maus wrote:
>
>> ...
>> The questions raised by the statement by the Governor of Hawaii stating
>> that the long form certificate did not exist, aside, John, the real
>> issues should be defeating this guy at the polls and defeating his
>> agenda in the political arena.
>>
>> Put your energy there. Even if what you suspect were to be true, there's
>> no entity in the nation that's going to remove him from office, nor
>> negate his policies based on the birth issue alone.
>>
>
> president is above and beyond being worthy of the charge of treason.
>
Err, no, he is legally your president. He has just proven that.
<snip>
Krypsis
D Peter Maus
> On 4/27/2011 10:35 AM, D Peter Maus wrote:
>
>> ...
>> The questions raised by the statement by the Governor of Hawaii stating
>> that the long form certificate did not exist, aside, John, the real
>> issues should be defeating this guy at the polls and defeating his
>> agenda in the political arena.
>>
>> Put your energy there. Even if what you suspect were to be true, there's
>> no entity in the nation that's going to remove him from office, nor
>> negate his policies based on the birth issue alone.
>>
>
> That would be a crime in itself. To criminally assist an illegal
> president is above and beyond being worthy of the charge of treason.
>
>> of history, and strength of the founding documents in a Third Millenium
>> world.
>>
>> Put your energy where it can inspire action.
>>
>
>
> Your text is well taken here. You name very important ideals, and truth.
>
> However, this needs followed to the very end. This issue of a president
> attempting to sit office without proper documentation and proof of
> eligibility NEVER NEEDS HAPPEN AGAIN!
>
>
Then consider this:
IF--and that's a big 'if'--IF there is any truth to what you're
asserting, there is no mechanism in the Constitution from removing the
man from his office.
No Court can do it. And there is no political will to do it. But even
IF, and again a big 'if', there were some corrupt internal process
protecting the man's chair from legal processes to remove him, the REAL
solution would still be to defeat him at the polls and defeat his
policies in the political process.
In this light, the birth issue is, in all practical terms, academic.
And pursuit of it is a waste of time and resources that can be better
applied to other processes. Don't let him continue to work his damage
while you concentrate on an academic issue.
The man still needs to be defeated. The man's policies still need to
be defeated.
Put your energy there. Regardless of the processes by which he
achieved power, and regardless of the process by which he may keep it,
the REAL correction is in his defeat. Put your energy into that.
And worry about the birth issue once he's been defeated. And revise
the process so it can't happen again once he's been stopped from doing
the damage he seems determined to do. But don't let him continue to do
what he's doing while you worry about something that will not produce a
result.
Howard Brazee
<alfreds...@gmail.com> wrote:
>no way Obama just got one . Damn the Hawaii laws . He bows to no laws
>.
I guess there's no way The President of the United States has ever had
influence to bend laws and regulations.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
Alfred stomacker
wrote:
>On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 13:33:54 -0500, Alfred stomacker
><alfreds...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>no way Obama just got one . Damn the Hawaii laws . He bows to no laws
>>.
>
>I guess there's no way The President of the United States has ever had
>influence to bend laws and regulations.
nope never . he goes by the books and follows the rule of law and the
constitution to the letter. He gets these great standards from his
long study of Shitcago politics where no politician has ever done
anything reprehensible or even shady .
Lamont Cranston
> On 4/27/2011 11:08 AM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:
>> On 4/27/2011 12:50 PM, John Smith wrote:
>>
>>> I am highly aware that people attempt to forge false documents.
>>> Indeed, it could be called a common practice in this day and age of
>>> identity fraud.
>>
>> Well, I wondered how long it would be until someone questioned the
>> validity of the document.
>>
>> Birther Kooktard: "Oh, the document is a fraud!"
>>
>> Reasonable person: "OK, we'll get an expert to check it".
>>
>> BK: "Oh, the expert checking it is on the take. I don't trust him".
>>
>> Blah, blah, blah...round and round it goes.
>>
>> The next thing you know, people will start questioning whether his
>> mother was a citizen. Ooops, sorry, the troll JS of oral diarrhea fame
>> already did bring that up.
>>
>>> The parents nationality, whether he ever surrendered citizenship, to
>>> assume citizenship of another country, the legal questions of the
>>> vetted ...
>>
>> There is no end to it. Once a Birther Kooktard, Always a Birther
>> Kooktard.
>
> OK. We hear you!
>
> Your point that we caught you lying and attempting to get everyone to
> ignore that a real birth certificate hadn't been produced
It was produced in 2008, kook.
Alfred stomacker
wrote:
>On 28/04/2011 3:24 AM, John Smith wrote:
>> On 4/27/2011 10:05 AM, w spilman wrote:
>>
>>> ...
>>> The first document was all that is required to prove
>>> American citizenship. Nobody lied, loser.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Confabulated and lying to the very end ... you go on record ...
>>
>> With the real birth certificate (supposedly) we now can properly have
>> this issue examined. If a valid document, this fulfills the requirement
>> demanded by the Constitution, but only as far as birth proof.
>
>The constitution required only that he be a natural born citizen. The
>onus of proof was never specified. The original Certification Of Live
>Birth was sufficient for the US government but not, it would seem, for
>you nutjobs.
>>
Natural born citizen as provided by law through the passage of the law
by the congress given the power to do so by the constitution to
further describe the citizenship clause .
Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a
citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen
of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are
citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and
lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S.
national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and
lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage
cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not
provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and
as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the
U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service
included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an
alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
>> The parents nationality, whether he ever surrendered citizenship, to
>> assume citizenship of another country, the legal questions of the
>
>Even if he took up citizenship of another country, it is still possible
>for him to retake US citizenship and STILL fulfill the requirements of
>the constitution. After all, he WAS born in the US.
>
If he did that . No word on that being so one way or the other
>> influence of his parents citizenship, etc. will all need to be examined
>
>His parents citizenship has absolutely nothing to do with it.
>
it has everything to do with it . he has to have a parent that is a
citizen to transfer that citizenship as natural born if he was born
elsewhere .
which he was
>> also, after this document has had time to be properly vetted ...
>
>This document came from the same place as the other that you disputed,
>the registrar of births, deaths and marriages.
>>
>> Just ending the lies of the false certification being proper has ended
>> .... those nutjobs are now on record ...
>
>The US government was quite satisfied with the original. It's just you
>nutjobs who aren't and, even now, are looking to dispute the document
>you demanded to see.
>
>> Regards,
>> JS
>
>Krypsis
too bad . the Kenyan has said himself that he is a Kenyan on video in
Kenya . I already posted his video . Hawaii officials that claim he
was born there also said there is no LFBC and that if there were no
one could get a copy yet there it is .
Lamont Cranston
> On 4/27/2011 7:11 AM, Burr wrote:
>> Lets see what Smith the Mouth has to say now.
>>
>>
>
> I say this is an example of how a REAL birth certificate should look.
> Were you claiming the false document was a real birth certificate?
According to the laws of the State of Hawaii, the "false" document is a
"real" birth certificate. Read paragraph (b) below, moron:
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0013.htm
§338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of
sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall,
upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any
certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.
(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the
department, certified by the department shall be considered for all
purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of
sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.
(c) Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction,
typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of
health. [L 1949, c 327, §17; RL 1955, §57-16; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19;
HRS §338-13; am L 1978, c 49, §1]
Alfred stomacker
wrote:
no he has proven once again that he has no respect for our
constitution or the law and that he is a criminal that will stop at
nothing to get what he wants .
Lamont Cranston
> On 4/27/2011 10:05 AM, w spilman wrote:
>
>> ...
>> The first document was all that is required to prove
>> American citizenship. Nobody lied, loser.
>>
>>
>
> Confabulated and lying to the very end ... you go on record ...
Lying and denying to the very end ... you are already on record.
"Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department,
certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the
same as the original..."
Lamont Cranston
>> On 4/27/2011 10:05 AM, w spilman wrote:
>>
>>> ...
>>> The first document was all that is required to prove
>>> American citizenship. Nobody lied, loser.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Confabulated and lying to the very end ... you go on record ...
>>
>> this issue examined. If a valid document, this fulfills the requirement
>> demanded by the Constitution, but only as far as birth proof.
>>
>> assume citizenship of another country, the legal questions of the
>>
>> ... those nutjobs are now on record ...
>>
>> JS
>
>
>
> The questions raised by the statement by the Governor of Hawaii stating
> that the long form certificate did not exist
LIE.
Alfred stomacker
wrote:
>On 4/27/11 13:03 , John Smith wrote:
he will be defeated and all his " work " shall be undone
Lamont Cranston
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 13:33:54 -0500, Alfred stomacker
> <alfreds...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> no way Obama just got one . Damn the Hawaii laws . He bows to no laws
>> .
>
> I guess there's no way The President of the United States has ever had
> influence to bend laws and regulations.
>
"When the president does it, that means that it is not illegal."
--Richard Nixon
D. Peter Maus
It was widely reported in all the mainstream press.
cuh...@webtv.net
HO! Butt Kissers!
Imaging Expert: Birth Certificate Anomoly.
http://www.rense.com
Tornado and conditions in Tuscaloosa,Alabama got so Rough, the
Jackson,Mississippi Office of National Weather Service had to take over
issuing storm/tornado warnings for the people in Tuscaloosa area.
cuhulin
Joe from Kokomo
> so you think it is possible to educate a democrat ? Ha . Your a funny
> guy. they drank the Kool Aid and are now brain dead to facts
Facts? You want facts?
Here are some facts for you...
Facts about what the Repubs want:
* Take money away from the EPA (our kids don't need no stinkin' clean air)
* Take money away from the FAA (Who needs airline safety?)
* Kill Medicare. We'll privatize it. (Apparently -forgetting- that
Medicare was brought in to being because the private insurance industry
would not insure senior citizens).
* And then they give the money they "save" above to the rich in the form
of additional tax breaks.
Now *there's* some facts for you. I'll leave it up to you to decide if
those are brain dead proposals or not.
Joe from Kokomo
> but his parent does have to be in the US 5 years prior to his birth .
> she did not qualify .
Huh?
If a pregnant American woman is on vacation and gives birth overseas,
the baby is an American citizen. There is no "five year timer" to be reset.
If the mother is an American citizen in America (Hawaii) and her child
is born in America, the child is an American citizen, period. There is
no "five year timer".
Please stop drinking the birther Kooktard Kool-Aid (tm).
Joe from Kokomo
> On 4/27/2011 2:31 PM, Howard Brazee wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 13:33:54 -0500, Alfred stomacker
>> <alfreds...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> no way Obama just got one . Damn the Hawaii laws . He bows to no laws
>>> .
>>
>> I guess there's no way The President of the United States has ever had
>> influence to bend laws and regulations.
On 4/27/2011 6:04 PM, Lamont Cranston wrote:
> "When the president does it, that means that it is not illegal."
> --Richard Nixon
The very same Richard Nixon that QUIT before he got run out of town on a
rail -- for his illegal activities.
bpnjensen
wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:51:57 -0500, D Peter Maus <dpeterm...@att.net>
Good luck with that :-D Right now the Americans despise the GOP by
about 2-1!
bpnjensen
> Run along and play with the other children now, the adults are talking ...
...in the other room. You're out here in the sandbox throwing catshit.
w spilman
"D Peter Maus" <dpete...@att.net> wrote in message
news:ip9k5c$1je$1...@dont-email.me...
> On 4/27/11 12:24 , John Smith wrote:
>> On 4/27/2011 10:05 AM, w spilman wrote:
>>
>>> ...
>>> The first document was all that is required to prove
>>> American citizenship. Nobody lied, loser.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Confabulated and lying to the very end ... you go on record ...
>>
>> With the real birth certificate (supposedly) we now can properly have
>> this issue examined. If a valid document, this fulfills the requirement
>> demanded by the Constitution, but only as far as birth proof.
>>
>> The parents nationality, whether he ever surrendered citizenship, to
>> assume citizenship of another country, the legal questions of the
>> influence of his parents citizenship, etc. will all need to be examined
>> also, after this document has had time to be properly vetted ...
>>
>> Just ending the lies of the false certification being proper has ended
>> ... those nutjobs are now on record ...
>>
>> Regards,
>> JS
>
>
>
> that the long form certificate did not exist, aside, John, the real issues
> should be defeating this guy at the polls and defeating his agenda in the
> political arena.
>
> Put your energy there. Even if what you suspect were to be true, there's
> no entity in the nation that's going to remove him from office, nor negate
> his policies based on the birth issue alone.
>
> of history, and strength of the founding documents in a Third Millenium
> world.
>
> Put your energy where it can inspire action.
Their policies are bankrupt, unacceptable to the vast
majority of Americans, hence the birth issue.
w spilman
"John Smith" <win....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ip9jge$3vj$2...@dont-email.me...
> On 4/27/2011 10:05 AM, w spilman wrote:
>
>> ...
>> The first document was all that is required to prove
>> American citizenship. Nobody lied, loser.
>>
>>
>
> Confabulated and lying to the very end ... you go on record ...
>
> With the real birth certificate (supposedly) we now can properly have this
> issue examined. If a valid document, this fulfills the requirement
> demanded by the Constitution, but only as far as birth proof.
>
> The parents nationality, whether he ever surrendered citizenship, to
> assume citizenship of another country, the legal questions of the
> influence of his parents citizenship, etc. will all need to be examined
> also, after this document has had time to be properly vetted ...
You think so? Good luck with that.
Howard Brazee
wrote:
>Their policies are bankrupt, unacceptable to the vast
>majority of Americans, hence the birth issue.
Historically, such conditions have had people complaining about the
policies. Red herrings aren't needed. Lies aren't needed.
But in this case, the policies are the same as Bush's. If they are
unacceptable, then so are the Republicans.
On the other hand, polls indicate that the opposition's proposals are
even more unacceptable. So discussing the issues are low on the
priorities of politicians.
BDK
>
> On 4/27/2011 12:50 PM, John Smith wrote:
>
> > I am highly aware that people attempt to forge false documents.
> > Indeed, it could be called a common practice in this day and age of
> > identity fraud.
>
> Well, I wondered how long it would be until someone questioned the
> validity of the document.
>
> Birther Kooktard: "Oh, the document is a fraud!"
>
> Reasonable person: "OK, we'll get an expert to check it".
>
> BK: "Oh, the expert checking it is on the take. I don't trust him".
>
> Blah, blah, blah...round and round it goes.
>
> The next thing you know, people will start questioning whether his
> mother was a citizen. Ooops, sorry, the troll JS of oral diarrhea fame
> already did bring that up.
>
> > assume citizenship of another country, the legal questions of the
> > influence of his parents citizenship, etc. will all need to be
> > examined also, after this document has had time to be properly
> > vetted ...
>
JS was already a terminal case before Obama came along.
--
BDK- Top of the government shill heap for over 10 years running!
cuh...@webtv.net
Iarnrod
> On 4/27/2011 6:56 AM, jf...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > On Apr 27, 6:23 am, Mike<mwbry...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> What will the Republicans do next to convince America that Obama is
> >> not a real American?
> > The Publicans will remind us of the TV show, "The Agency" and tell us
> > how it was fabricate by the CIA on orders from the White House. And
> > just to compound the hyprocrisy, the will also criticize him for
> > wasting time and taxpayer money on responding to the birther nuts.
>
> I am still over joyed that the moron aholes who claimed the
> certification was a real birth certificate can now be made the liars
> they are and have to eat their words as we all look at a REAL? birth
> certificate!
BWAAAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
Poor poor poor Johnny KQQK!!! RUNNING AWAY at breakneck speed from his
previous lies to invent NEW lies!!
Hint: The long form Obama had to beg for special exceptions from
Hawaii to get the state to give him CONFIRMS the COLB is real.
Oooooooo, I am gonna ENJOY shoving this down your throat for a
loooooong time to come!
http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
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Iarnrod
wrote:
> Hawaii already stated many times that no one can obtain a long form
> BC .
And the state this week caved in to the president's request and made
an exception to that rule.
> Hawaii officials also stated that no long form existed . They it was
> missing .
They said no such thing, loon. No Hawaiian official said it was
missing or did not exist.
Gov. Neil Abercrombie two months ago: "It actually exists." What is
still confusing to you about this?
> Hawaii also stated to Anderson cooper's team , aired yesterday , that
> you can get one just ask for it ..."???? WTF . thought you could not
> do that .
You cannot. Hawaii agreed to carve out an exception in this one case.
> Oh yes and Hawaii has a law forbidding the release of the long form
> BC.
>
> But Obama just happens to find his .
No, he asked Hawaii to make an exception to its rule to shove this
down you loons' throats, and it agreed.
> anyone can forge a document .
Yes, you dishonest birfloons have shown that over the past three years
by forging several of them!
> Anyone can pay a person on the take to
> sign it and swear it is legal .
And you did that. but people with actual brains never bought the crap
you tried to sell.
Hint:
RM V2.0
"Lamont Cranston" <Lamont....@FogYourMind.com> wrote in message
news:ipa366$j44$2...@news.datemas.de...
Uhmm no. That was a generic form that anyone born anywhere can get. If that
is the case then why bother with what he released yesterday, nutball.
Iarnrod
> On 4/27/11 12:24 , John Smith wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 4/27/2011 10:05 AM, w spilman wrote:
>
> >> ...
> >> The first document was all that is required to prove
> >> American citizenship. Nobody lied, loser.
>
> > Confabulated and lying to the very end ... you go on record ...
>
> > With the real birth certificate (supposedly) we now can properly have
> > this issue examined. If a valid document, this fulfills the requirement
> > demanded by the Constitution, but only as far as birth proof.
>
> > assume citizenship of another country, the legal questions of the
> > influence of his parents citizenship, etc. will all need to be examined
> > also, after this document has had time to be properly vetted ...
>
> > ... those nutjobs are now on record ...
>
> > Regards,
> > JS
>
> The questions raised by the statement by the Governor of Hawaii
> stating that the long form certificate did not exist, aside, John,
Ummm, the governor of Hawaii never said it did not exist.
Here is Gov. Neil Abercrombie's actual quote:
"It actually exists."
This is not waffling or equivocation. There is no doubt. He did NOT
say it did not exist. That is simply one more birfer lie.
> the
> real issues should be defeating this guy at the polls and defeating his
> agenda in the political arena.
Why would voters want to defeat the president who rescued capitalism
and America from Republican malfeasance and put back in power the
incompetent thieves who brought us to the brink of the Second Great
GOP Depression?
Iarnrod
> On 4/27/2011 11:10 AM, MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE wrote:
>
> >> ...
>
> I'd say brithers have been totally vindicated by finally having it
> admitted that the first document was NOT A REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE!
Please cite any such admission, poor poor retreating birfloon Johnny
KQQK.
Please be so good as to put that citation right here -------->
____________
BWAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAHAHAAAA!!!
http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
PROVEN to be true and correct by yesterday's release!!!
NEVER IN DOUBT, as Mighty Iarnrod has been saying!! My exact words:
"Not in dispute!"
PROVEN FACT!!!
http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
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http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
SUCK on it a good long time, Johnny KQQK, it's all you're gonna have
for a long long time!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAHAHAAAHAHAAA!!!
Iarnrod
> However, this needs followed to the very end. This issue of a president
> attempting to sit office without proper documentation and proof of
> eligibility NEVER NEEDS HAPPEN AGAIN!
HET IDIOT: Obama was the FIRST and ONLY president EVER to provide
proper documentation three years ago. NONE BEFORE HIM ever released a
birth certificate prior to taking office.
OBAMA SET NEW STANDARDS OF TRANSPARENCY AND OPENNESS 3 whole years
ago!!
As I love to say, NOT IN DISPUTE!!
http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
EAT IT, KOOK!
<sips multiple Victory Iced Teas>
GREAT to be Mighty Iarnrod today, and indeed every day!!
Iarnrod
How come you cannot cite it then, LOON?
BWAHAAHHAHAAA!!
Too fuckin' funny to watch the birfoons nationwide in FULL KOOKER
RETREAT!!
Hint:
http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
PROVEN REAL!!!
D Peter Maus
I heard it first on ABC Radio news in the car. Sorry, I wasn't
recording.
It made the Trib and the Sun-Times. Look it up.
It made CBS evening news, as well. Katie Couric presented the story,
herself.
For two days, it was everywhere.
I'm not surprised you missed it.
jf...@my-deja.com
> On Apr 27, 11:10 am, Alfred stomacker <alfredstomac...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hawaii officials also stated that no long form existed . They it was
> > missing .
>
> They said no such thing, loon. No Hawaiian official said it was
> missing or did not exist.
authority than a mere governor of Hawaii (actually, two governors)?
cuh...@webtv.net
It is a Phoney Fraud Fake Forgery.PFFF.FAIL!
What's all those Layers? Is it a Layer Cake?
Oh, I Lobster, then I Flounder, Oh, I Layed her,,,,
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
Donald.
I betcha his Birth Certificate isn't Layerd.
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
http://www.rense.com
Solid Proof.I Likes Dat.
cuhulin, a Solid Proofer
Alfred stomacker
wrote:
>On 4/27/2011 2:50 PM, Alfred stomacker wrote:
>
>> so you think it is possible to educate a democrat ? Ha . Your a funny
>> guy. they drank the Kool Aid and are now brain dead to facts
>
>Facts? You want facts?
>
>Here are some facts for you...
>
>Facts about what the Repubs want:
>
>* Take money away from the EPA (our kids don't need no stinkin' clean air)
>
fuck the EPA it is way over funded and out of control . a cut will not
make air bad
>* Take money away from the FAA (Who needs airline safety?)
>
this coming from the cry baby that whines about TSA doing their job to
keep people safe .
>* Kill Medicare. We'll privatize it. (Apparently -forgetting- that
>Medicare was brought in to being because the private insurance industry
>would not insure senior citizens).
>
Just like Obama has done that can be mandated into the law . Or do you
find that somehow wrong since it would be a republican thing and not
an Obama thing
>* And then they give the money they "save" above to the rich in the form
>of additional tax breaks.
>
sure big tax breaks . A few billion . Most of them rich fucks are
democrats . No one said anything about additional breaks .
>Now *there's* some facts for you. I'll leave it up to you to decide if
>those are brain dead proposals or not.
Cutting spending has to happen and that means some things we like will
have to be cut back on . Cut now or fold later . streamlining things
is not bad as long as they still work.
Alfred stomacker
<Lamont....@FogYourMind.com> wrote:
>On 4/27/2011 10:35 AM, D Peter Maus wrote:
>> On 4/27/11 12:24 , John Smith wrote:
>>> On 4/27/2011 10:05 AM, w spilman wrote:
>>>
>>>> ...
>>>> The first document was all that is required to prove
>>>> American citizenship. Nobody lied, loser.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Confabulated and lying to the very end ... you go on record ...
>>>
>>> With the real birth certificate (supposedly) we now can properly have
>>> this issue examined. If a valid document, this fulfills the requirement
>>> demanded by the Constitution, but only as far as birth proof.
>>>
>>> The parents nationality, whether he ever surrendered citizenship, to
>>> assume citizenship of another country, the legal questions of the
>>> influence of his parents citizenship, etc. will all need to be examined
>>> also, after this document has had time to be properly vetted ...
>>>
>>> Just ending the lies of the false certification being proper has ended
>>> ... those nutjobs are now on record ...
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> JS
>>
>>
>>
>> The questions raised by the statement by the Governor of Hawaii stating
>> that the long form certificate did not exist
>
>LIE.
truth
Alfred stomacker
wrote:
>On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 20:32:22 -0400, "w spilman" <fa...@stink.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Their policies are bankrupt, unacceptable to the vast
>>majority of Americans, hence the birth issue.
>
>Historically, such conditions have had people complaining about the
>policies. Red herrings aren't needed. Lies aren't needed.
>
>But in this case, the policies are the same as Bush's. If they are
>unacceptable, then so are the Republicans.
>
>On the other hand, polls indicate that the opposition's proposals are
>even more unacceptable. So discussing the issues are low on the
>priorities of politicians.
yet Obama just declares war on Libya
cuh...@webtv.net
BDK
cuh...@webtv.net says...
If it's on Rense, it rarely makes sense.
Joe from Kokomo
Seeing as you are quoting media, today's (4/28) Republican,
conservative, Obama disliking Wall Street Journal Editorial page says
that birther quackism is a NON-ISSUE and that they believe Obama IS an
American citizen.
Who'd a thunk that these kooktards think they know more than all the
investigative Wall Street Journal reporters.
But, hey, it's sort of entertaining to watch the birther kooktards
back-pedal...and tap-dance.
Joe from Kokomo
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 18:48:45 -0400, Joe from Kokomo<j...@indy.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/27/2011 2:50 PM, Alfred stomacker wrote:
>>
>>> so you think it is possible to educate a democrat ? Ha . Your a funny
>>> guy. they drank the Kool Aid and are now brain dead to facts
>>
>> Facts? You want facts?
>>
>> Here are some facts for you...
>>
>> Facts about what the Repubs want:
>>
>> * Take money away from the EPA (our kids don't need no stinkin' clean air)
>>
> fuck the EPA it is way over funded and out of control . a cut will not
> make air bad
>
>> * Take money away from the FAA (Who needs airline safety?)
>>
> this coming from the cry baby that whines about TSA doing their job to
> keep people safe .
Ummm, no...this coming from Sully Sulleberger, "Hero of the Hudson", the
pilot that landed his plane in the Hudson River, the guy that was on
national TV saying the FAA cuts are a bad thing. Not a "TSA cry baby".
>> * Kill Medicare. We'll privatize it. (Apparently -forgetting- that
>> Medicare was brought in to being because the private insurance industry
>> would not insure senior citizens).
> Just like Obama has done that can be mandated into the law . Or do you
> find that somehow wrong since it would be a republican thing and not
> an Obama thing
Huh? You miss the point. If you are referring to the so-called "Obama
care", Obama is making sure people -get- health care. Ryan is -taking
away- health care. Big difference. Please explain why:
1) Many, many REPUBLICAN seniors are against Ryan's Medicare plan.
2) Explain why you think privatization will work now when it hasn't
worked before. Privatization failed so miserably, it caused Medicare to
be created in the first place.
You seem to have conveniently tap-danced around those points.
>> * And then they give the money they "save" above to the rich in the form
>> of additional tax breaks.
>>
> sure big tax breaks . A few billion . Most of them rich fucks are
> democrats . No one said anything about additional breaks .
Huh? "No one said anything about additional breaks."? Ryan wants to
reduce taxes on the rich from 35% to 25%. Pay attention.
>> Now *there's* some facts for you. I'll leave it up to you to decide if
>> those are brain dead proposals or not.
> Cutting spending has to happen and that means some things we like will
> have to be cut back on . Cut now or fold later . streamlining things
> is not bad as long as they still work.
In principle, I agree with that, but *killing* Medicare is hardly
"streamlining" and reducing the wealthy tax rate from 35 to 25% does not
create revenue.
Iarnrod
No you didn't. It didn't happen. You're lying. we know you're lying
because here is what Abercrombia actually did say: "It actually
exists." This of course is the complete opposite of your claim that he
said it did not exist. So, long story short, you're just another
rightarded liar. nothing new there.
> Sorry, I wasn't
> recording.
But you are, of course, lying.
> It made the Trib and the Sun-Times.
No, it did not. It was not in either paper.
> Look it up.
No, dipshit, YOU are the one who claims it exists; it is YOUR job to
fetch it. I know it does NOT exist. Therefore, liar, onus is on you.
> It made CBS evening news, as well.
No, it didn't. Present the cite if you think so.
But once again, you'll run away since you KNOW you've been caught
lying.
> Katie Couric presented the story,
> herself.
No she didn't, kook.
> For two days, it was everywhere.
No it wasn't as it is indisputable FACT that it never happened. Here
is Abercrombie's actual quote: "It actually exists." How you manage to
twist your lie out of that, well, only a truly delusional rightard can
come up with such bullshit.
> I'm not surprised you missed it.
I missed nothing.
I'll give you a hand, compassionate as I am: You are twisting what
really happened into your lie by adding a false claim that Abercrombia
said it didn't exist, when in fact he said "It actually exists."
What REALLY happened was that Abercrombie vowed to release Obama's
birth certificate when he became governor. Upon trying to do so, he
discovered this little thing called "THE LAW." Not even governors or
presidents can violate it. THE LAW prohibited Hawaii from releasing
someone's birth records to anyone not entitled, and the governor
didn't qualify to release Obama's records, or anyone else's for that
matter except his own.
So what Abercrombie said was that although he promised to release it,
he discovered it was not legal for him to do so but that he verified
"it actually exists."
PS: For Obama to be able to obtain his long form, he had to petition
Hawaii for an exception to its standing rule that originals are not
released.
Iarnrod
I consider him a multiple-bankruptcy teevee host and brainless moron
-- highly qualified to be a Republican contender, in other words.