Re: Private visits with WikiLeaks suspect denied.... Protesters hit streets as report describes torture
John Smith
>
> Hawaiian law DOES NOT ALLOW PHOTOCOPYING OF THE PRIMARY
> RECORDS, anyone can VIEW them, so go to Honolulu and do so.
> But to get a copy is not possible. you have to fill out a form, pay a
> fee,
> and get a computer generated printout of the summary of the
> information
> on the primary record, which is then given a certifying embossed
> stamp.
>
"The document posted on the web alleged to be and wrongly referred to as
Obama’s birth certificate is titled CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH, and
only certifies a baby was born. The purpose of the Certification is to
provide documentation for those babies and children who do not have a
real birth certificate because they were born at home or outside the
country without benefit of a hospital or doctor. When there is no proof
of hospital or doctor it proves nothing, just the information attested
to by the person filling out the application for a certified document.
This is one of the biggest lies promulgated by people ignorant of the
facts such as Bill O’Reilly and Megyn Kelly of FOX who continue to claim
that what is posted on the internet is the real deal."
http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/04/07/exposing-the-birth-certificate-lies-used-to-cover-for-obama/
> This is accepted by the govt. to get a passport. Why isn't it good
> enough
> for you?
>
If that satisfies the requirement for getting a passport, I don't have
problems with ...
A COLB does not meet the much higher standards of proof which the
Constitution demands ... a simple "Certificate of Live Birth" would.
After obama has spent $1-$2 million hiding his past records, including
the proof of citizenship (with taxpayer money, I might add) I can't
imagine a sane and rational person with no secret agenda to not ask for
the proper proof ... we certainly do that with common criminals! Why
not with suspected presidential criminals?
Regards,
JS
Colanth
wrote:
>"The document posted on the web alleged to be and wrongly referred to as
>Obama’s birth certificate is titled CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH, and
>only certifies a baby was born. The purpose of the Certification is to
>provide documentation for those babies and children who do not have a
>real birth certificate because they were born at home or outside the
>country without benefit of a hospital or doctor. When there is no proof
>of hospital or doctor it proves nothing, just the information attested
>to by the person filling out the application for a certified document.
>This is one of the biggest lies promulgated by people ignorant of the
>facts such as Bill O’Reilly and Megyn Kelly of FOX who continue to claim
>that what is posted on the internet is the real deal."
Where is there a problem, though? If he was born in Kenya, USC Title
8, Chapter 12, Subchapter III, Part I, Par. 1401 (e)
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401----000-.html
applies, and he's still a natural born citizen. "nationals and
citizens of the United States at birth" means "natural born citizen as
far as the law is concerned. One is naturally a citizen at birth - a
natural born citizen. (Birthers confuse natural born citizen - which
one must be to be president - with native-born, which appears nowhere
in the Constitution, the law or court precedent.)
--
"There is nothing frightening about an eternal dreamless sleep. Surely
it is better than eternal torment in Hell and eternal boredom in
Heaven."- Isaac Asimov
John Smith
Article II, Clause 5:
"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United
States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be
eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be
eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty
five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."
Obviously, since all "Citizen of the United States, at the time of the
Adoption ... " are dead now, he must be a "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN."
Regards,
JS
Colanth
wrote:
And someone born to a woman who is a citizen, and who has spent at
least 5 years as a resident of the US, *IS* a natural born citizen, no
matter where he's born. (Don't confuse natural born with native born
- they're not the same thing.)
--
All answers questioned here.
John Smith
>> ...
>> Article II, Clause 5:
>> "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United
>> States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be
>> eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be
>> eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty
>> five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."
>>
>> Obviously, since all "Citizen of the United States, at the time of the
>> Adoption ... " are dead now, he must be a "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN."
>
> That he is, being born in Hawaii from an American woman.
>
>> Regards,
>> JS
>>
>
Actually, only one parent being an American may be a problem ...
However, since obama has presented no valid birth certificate to
establish a place of birth, beyond reasonable doubt, and to the
satisfaction of the Constitution, I am sure, at the proper time, that
will be dealt with at a later date.
Regards,
JS
RHF
> On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 18:57:27 -0700, John Smith <win.co...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >"The document posted on the web alleged to be and wrongly referred to as
> >Obama’s birth certificate is titled CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH, and
> >only certifies a baby was born. The purpose of the Certification is to
> >provide documentation for those babies and children who do not have a
> >real birth certificate because they were born at home or outside the
> >country without benefit of a hospital or doctor. When there is no proof
> >of hospital or doctor it proves nothing, just the information attested
> >to by the person filling out the application for a certified document.
> >This is one of the biggest lies promulgated by people ignorant of the
> >facts such as Bill O’Reilly and Megyn Kelly of FOX who continue to claim
> >that what is posted on the internet is the real deal."
>
- If he was born in Kenya,
- USC Title 8, Chapter 12, Subchapter III, Part I, Par. 1401 (e)
- http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401--...
- applies, and he's still a natural born citizen.
- "nationals and citizens of the United States
- at birth" means "natural born citizen as far
- as the law is concerned.
- One is naturally a citizen at birth - a natural born citizen.
(Birthers confuse natural born citizen - which
- which appears nowhere in the Constitution,
- the law or court precedent.)
Oops - The Words {Wording} are 'in' the US Constitution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Constitution
"The President must be a 'natural born citizen' of the United States"
*WRT* the "Natural Born [US] Citizen" Clause
of the US Constitution
The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_Born_Citizen_Clause
.
Obama Would Not Be Eligible To Be A Natural Born Citizen !
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
.
-there-fore-
Liar Liar Pants On Fire -cause- 'natural-born-us-citizen'
-means- "Natural Born US Citizen" -not- Born-in-Kenya
.
Clearly 'natural born citizen' -is-plainly- "Natural Born Citizen"
? No Questions! & ? No Maybes! & ? No Could Bes!
FACT : True -or- False [100%] : "Natural Born Citizen*"
* Without any 'qualification', 'obfuscation', 'deception', or
Sealed [Hidden] Records that -oops- can not be found**.
** MIA : No Long-Form, Hospital-Generated Birth Certificate
Exists for Barack Obama in Hawaii.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=254401
.
President Obama Already Feeling The Heat
From Corsi's New Tell-It-All Book
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7186cb7e65ff5417
? Where's the Birth Certificate?: "The Case That
Barack Obama Is Not Eligible To Be President"
the new tell-it-all book by Jerome Corsi
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1936488299/
.
.
.
> --
> "There is nothing frightening about an eternal dreamless sleep. Surely
> it is better than eternal torment in Hell and eternal boredom in
> Heaven."- Isaac Asimov
Liar Liar Pants On Fire -cause- 'natural-born-us-citizen'
-means- "Natural Born US Citizen" -not- Born-in-Kenya
Colanth
<rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>Oops - The Words {Wording} are 'in' the US Constitution.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Constitution
>"The President must be a 'natural born citizen' of the United States"
Unfortunately for your argument, Wikipedia isn't precedential.
(Bringing it up as evidence in the SCOTUS could get an attorney
disbarred - or involuntarily committed.)
>Obama Would Not Be Eligible To Be A Natural Born Citizen !
>http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
The law, USC Title 8, Chapter 12, Subchapter III, Part I, Par. 1401
(e)
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401----000-.html
has never been challenged, so it still stands as the definitive law.
Feel free to bring suit (if you can show standing - the SCOTUS has so
far found no one with standing) but, as of this moment, the way the
law works USC 18 still rules. Ask an attorney if you don't believe
me. I've cited it in full, so you shouldn't have a problem.
--
"The question before the human race is, whether the God of nature
shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings
shall rule it by fictitious miracles?" - John Adams, letter to Thomas
Jefferson, June 20, 1815
John Smith
> --
> "The question before the human race is, whether the God of nature
> shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings
> shall rule it by fictitious miracles?" - John Adams, letter to Thomas
> Jefferson, June 20, 1815
>
I think that is great, citing the supreme court, if I am not mistaken
some ruling of theirs also makes it mandatory that both parents of the
person in question must have been American citizens at the childs' birth ...
I don't believe obamas' father (probably the one he claims, maybe not)
was NOT an American citizen ... and, I don't think he ever applied nor
became an American citizen ...
Great job of disinformation and attempting to divert argument/debate ...
However, the Constitution STILL requires proof obama was a natural born
citizen, or born on American soil ... most likely, American territories,
possessions, military bases, etc. would also be deemed satisfactory
under close scrutiny ...
and, obama fails on these, all of them, and more ...
Even worse, even IF obama HAD BEEN born an American citizen ... his
schooling in indonesia would have required him to have given up his
American citizenship and to have reapplied for citizenship when he
returned to his country ... I doubt he ever made that application ...
but, worse yet, even if he did, he would still be in question as to his
eligibility as president ...
We stand at the very tip of the iceberg on obama with the "birther"
argument in its' present state ...
This is why to even let the question into court is certain death for obama!
I think Corsis' book also will cover all this ... YOU REALLY WILL NEED
TO READ THAT BOOK!
Regards,
JS
RHF
- - On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 22:33:48 -0700 (PDT), RHF
- - <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
- - Oops - The Words {Wording} are 'in' the US Constitution.
- - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Constitution
- - "The President must be a 'natural born citizen' of the United
States"
- Unfortunately for your argument, Wikipedia isn't precedential.
- (Bringing it up as evidence in the SCOTUS could get an attorney
- disbarred - or involuntarily committed.)
Speaking of being DisBarred or being Force to Give-Up
Your Law License : Why Did Barack Obama ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/a2c257e020b42518
-read- ? Where's the Birth Certificate?: "The Case
That Barack Obama Is Not Eligible To Be President"
the new tell-it-all book by Jerome Corsi
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1936488299/
Yeah - President Obama is Already Feeling The Heat
from Corsi's New Tell-It-All Book
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7186cb7e65ff5417
.
Speaking of being DisBarred or being Force to Give-Up
Your Law License : Why Did Michelle Obama ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/a2c257e020b42518
Yeah - Michelle Obama is Already Feeling The Heat
from Corsi's New Tell-It-All Book
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7186cb7e65ff5417
-read- ? Where's the Birth Certificate?: "The Case
That Barack Obama Is Not Eligible To Be President"
the new tell-it-all book by Jerome Corsi
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1936488299/
.
.
>
> >Obama Would Not Be Eligible To Be A Natural Born Citizen !
> >http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
>
> The law, USC Title 8, Chapter 12, Subchapter III, Part I, Par. 1401
> (e)http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401--...
RHF
> On 4/21/2011 6:14 PM, infowolf1 wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hawaiian law DOES NOT ALLOW PHOTOCOPYING OF THE PRIMARY
> > RECORDS, anyone can VIEW them, so go to Honolulu and do so.
> > But to get a copy is not possible. you have to fill out a form, pay a
> > fee,
> > and get a computer generated printout of the summary of the
> > information
> > on the primary record, which is then given a certifying embossed
> > stamp.
>
> "The document posted on the web alleged to be and wrongly referred to as
> Obama s birth certificate is titled CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH, and
> only certifies a baby was born. The purpose of the Certification is to
> provide documentation for those babies and children who do not have a
> real birth certificate because they were born at home or outside the
> country without benefit of a hospital or doctor. When there is no proof
> of hospital or doctor it proves nothing, just the information attested
> to by the person filling out the application for a certified document.
> This is one of the biggest lies promulgated by people ignorant of the
> facts such as Bill O Reilly and Megyn Kelly of FOX who continue to claim
> that what is posted on the internet is the real deal."
>
>
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/47512486/Sworn-Affidavit-by-Tim-Adams-No-Ha...
>
> > This is accepted by the govt. to get a passport. Why isn't it good
> > enough
> > for you?
>
> If that satisfies the requirement for getting a passport, I don't have
> problems with ...
>
> A COLB does not meet the much higher standards of proof which the
> Constitution demands ... a simple "Certificate of Live Birth" would.
>
> After obama has spent $1-$2 million hiding his past records, including
> the proof of citizenship (with taxpayer money, I might add) I can't
> imagine a sane and rational person with no secret agenda to not ask for
> the proper proof ... we certainly do that with common criminals! Why
> not with suspected presidential criminals?
>
> Regards,
> JS
OOPS -Another Inconvenient "BO" {Obama} Truth . . .
Obama "The Torturer" GitMo,,, GitMo... GitMo ! ! !
-yeah- Prez Obama Promised to Close Gitmo and
have US Court Jury Trials for the Detainees
-but- Now Prez Obama Says Wants To Keep
Gitmo "Open" and Have Military Tribunals for
the Detainees with Secret Evidence.
-truth-is- Obama Is A Human Rights Violator !
-what-about-obama's-turture-in-gitmo-?-
What's The Liberal Legitimate Reason For Obama's
Illegal GitMo Torture and Trial Rape of Human Rights ?
-oops-another-inconvenient-obama-truth-
.
Now Prez Obama has the WikiLeaks 'Suspect*'
Detained, Tortured and Denied His US Civil Rights
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704071704576277242283323236.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
* "Suspect" :
What Happened to "Innocent Until Proven Guilty" in the USA
-not-under-the-imperial-ruler-obama-
What Happened to a 72 Hour Judicial Hearing ?
-not-under-the-imperial-ruler-obama-
What Happened to the Right to Counsel ?
-not-under-the-imperial-ruler-obama-
Who Authorized Internment Camps for US Citizens ?
-now-under-the-imperial-ruler-obama-
When Did US Citizens 'Suspects' Get Tortured ?
-now-under-the-imperial-ruler-obama-
http://www.livescience.com/9219-wikileaks-suspect-punishment-torture.html
.
yeah - that's the way 'i' see it :
the imperial-ruler obama ~ RHF
.
.
John Smith
> ...
> yeah - that's the way 'i' see it :
> the imperial-ruler obama ~ RHF
> .
> .
Yeah, before he scammed illegally into office he was all about, I will
end the wars, I will improve the economy, I will create jobs, etc., etc.
I will agree with you, if I didn't know obama had criminally stolen the
office, I'd still think bush was president.
Do you find the smallest disagreement with my conclusion(s?)
Regards,
JS
Colanth
wrote:
>I think that is great, citing the supreme court, if I am not mistaken
>some ruling of theirs also makes it mandatory that both parents of the
>person in question must have been American citizens at the childs' birth ...
In one particular case, that was part of one opinion.
>However, the Constitution STILL requires proof obama was a natural born
>citizen
No more proof than any of the other 43 who came before him. No less
proof, but no more proof either. And AIR he's the only president who
published ANY copy of his birth certificate.
>or born on American soil
That's not sufficient - one has to also be subject to the jurisdiction
of the US. (For instance, a diplomat's child, born in the US while the
diplomat is serving here, isn't a citizen.)
>and, obama fails on these, all of them, and more ...
Not on having one parent a citizen who'd spent at least 5 years on US
soil. His mother was born in Wichita, and spent most of her life here
before he was born.
>Even worse, even IF obama HAD BEEN born an American citizen ... his
>schooling in indonesia would have required him to have given up his
>American citizenship
Not by US law if he was a child. You can't renounce citizenship until
you're 21. Your parents can't renounce it for you.
--
"Never assume the obvious is true." - William Safire
John Smith
> ...
Then we agree.
Now we only need to force it into court and have it heard before the
people with the reasons for the final decision out in the open ... once
he is proven, to Constitutional standards, to be an American citizen
there will be no problem and all this will halt ...
Regards,
JS
Colanth
wrote:
>On 4/22/2011 6:31 PM, Colanth wrote:
All you'd need is one person with standing. And, AFAIK, the Court
doesn't see anyone with standing.
--
Discoveries are made by not following instructions.
John Smith
You have pointed out one very important concept/action which you
frequently see being implemented.
That of a criminal to quickly point out the complete absence of any
evidence, fact or witness to his crime(s.)
And, seems to always be true ... no matter if none does exist, little
exists or a preponderance exists!
Regards,
JS
RHF
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 22:21:25 -0700, John Smith <win.co...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On 4/22/2011 6:31 PM, Colanth wrote:
>
> >> ...
>
> >Then we agree.
>
> >Now we only need to force it into court and have it heard before the
> >people with the reasons for the final decision out in the open ... once
> >he is proven, to Constitutional standards, to be an American citizen
> >there will be no problem and all this will halt ...
>
> All you'd need is one person with standing. And, AFAIK, the Court
> doesn't see anyone with standing.
Colanth - Ah One Person {Legal} With Standing !
How About 50 or More Persons All With "Legal-Standing" :
One in each and every US County ...and... Forming a
Democrat Voters Class Action Across a State !
How About 50 Separate and Independent State Class
Actions by Registered Democratic Voters Across the
whole Nation : Yes one in each and every US State . . .
-hint- Raising-the-Question : Is Obama Legal ?
-and- Creating Voter Doubt : Is Obama Qualified ?
-plus- Asking... HAS OBAMA DONE A GOOD JOB ? ? ?
-therefore- Influencing the Voters by 1%,,, 2%... 3% ! ! !
1% voter shift may not change the election,,,
2% Voter shift might change the Election...
3% Voter Shift Will Change The Election ! ! !
.
Again This Will Be Happening In Each and Every of
the 50 US States -here-is-how-
.
1st - Your so-called 'Birthers' are ready to Challenge
the Obama Birth Certificate Issue in each and Every
US State in in the Primary {Party} Elections; and
again in the State General Elections too.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/b73a74c7b3d32061
.
2nd - 'Birthers' are right now Registering as Democrats
so that they have Legal Standing in the individual State
Primary {Party} Elections to Challenge the Obama
Birth Certificate Issue and Natural Born Citizen Status.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/b73a74c7b3d32061
.
3rd - That is 50 individual US States with 50 Secretaries
of State {Election Officials} each with the Independent
Duty, Responsibility and Legal Authority to make a
Determination whether Obama can Legally "Be" on
the Ballot in their respective US States.
-and- Some of those 50 State Secretaries of State
{State Election Officials} are Elected Republicans
-with- Elected Republican Governors
-plus- State Legislatures Controlled by Republicans
-also- State Majority Elected US House Members
-that-something-extra- Two Republican US Senators
-oops- Conservative {Republican} State Judges & Courts too
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/b73a74c7b3d32061
.
4th - Remember the US Presidential Election is really
50 Separate, Individual, and Independent State Elections
that is then Aggregated by/into the Electoral College.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_%28United_States%29
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/b73a74c7b3d32061
.
5th - Second Each of these US State Electoral College
Delegations has the Right to Put any and all Election
Issues before the Confirmation Vote by the Joint Session
of the US Congress.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/b73a74c7b3d32061
.
NOTE : All it takes is One (1) US House Member and
One (1) US Senator to put any Issue to a Vote.
-wrt- The Obama Birth Certificate Issue and Obama's
Natural Born Citizen Status. -it-just-takes-two-!-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_%28United_States%29#Joint_session_of_Congress_and_the_contingent_election
.
6th - It is Only the US House of Representative Members
who get to Vote in the 'Contingent' Presidential Election
by House
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/b73a74c7b3d32061
.
NOTE : So Who Controls the US House in 2012 is
another 'key' to who may be or not be Found to be first
'Qualified' and second "Elected" the next US President
in 2012. -yeah-political-reality-sucks-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_%28United_States%29#Contingent_presidential_election_by_House
.
7th - "The Result" : That is the Process for Challenging
President Obama's 'Legal Qualifications' To Be The US
President 50 Times Over in 2012 one-by-one in each of
the 50 US States.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/cdc7da0a21d7c07f
-stopping-an-obama-second-term-ending-obama-nism-
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/b73a74c7b3d32061
.
-american-voters-read-it-and-learn-the-real-truth-
? Where's the Birth Certificate?: "The Case That Barack
Obama Is Not Eligible To Be President"
the new tell-it-all book by Jerome Corsi
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1936488299/
Yeah - President Obama is Already Feeling The Heat
from Corsi's New Tell-It-All Book
.
-asking-?-barack-obama-barry-soetaro-who-is-he-really-?-
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7186cb7e65ff5417
*yet*another*obama*inconvenient*truth*
.
-asking-?-barry-soetaro-or-barack-obama-who-is-he-really-?-
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/00ab54ffaa2c0edf
*yet*another*obama*inconvenient*truth*
.
-?-when-did-barack-obama-stop-being-barry-soetaro-?-
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/f3bc60d4d7ba8df8
*yet*another*obama*inconvenient*truth*
.
-!-fact-barack-obama-was-legally-barry-soetoro-
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/08b9e51c003bd2a8
*yet*another*obama*inconvenient*truth*
.
-!-fact-barack-obama-was-legally-a-citizen-of-indonesia-
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/b599307219c910fc
*yet*another*obama*inconvenient*truth*
.
-!-fact-obama-force-to-surrender-law-license-
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/00ab54ffaa2c0edf
*yet*another*obama*inconvenient*truth*
.
.
*OMG/OMA* Let Us Pray . . .
This Has Been A 'Teachable Moment' ~ RHF©***
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teachable_moment
.
*** © This is another Copy-Righted 'Brain Fart' of RHF
-wrt- 'Brain Fart' -yeah- This Idea(s) Stinks : Pew! [P!U!]
.
.
OOPS ! : US President Obama May Not Be On-the-Ballot
in All 50 US States in 2012 -read-why-
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/b73a74c7b3d32061
.
WHY : US President Obama May Not Be On-the-Ballot
in All 50 States in 2012 -read-how-
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/5323d853d822b855
.
Donald Trump's Endless Unceasing Attack on the
Obama Birth Certificate Issue Is Sinking Prez Obama
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-04-06/news/29408521_1_new-hampsh...
.
State-of-Arizona the 1st US State to Challenge
President Obama's Legal Qualifications To Be
US President in 2012
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/d2a5e43e516e8116
-stopping-a-soetoro/obama-second-term-
.
.
Colanth
wrote:
>On 4/23/2011 11:14 AM, Colanth wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 22:21:25 -0700, John Smith<win....@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/22/2011 6:31 PM, Colanth wrote:
>>>
>>>> ...
>>>
>>> Then we agree.
>>>
>>> Now we only need to force it into court and have it heard before the
>>> people with the reasons for the final decision out in the open ... once
>>> he is proven, to Constitutional standards, to be an American citizen
>>> there will be no problem and all this will halt ...
>>
>> All you'd need is one person with standing. And, AFAIK, the Court
>> doesn't see anyone with standing.
>You have pointed out one very important concept/action which you
>frequently see being implemented.
>
>That of a criminal to quickly point out the complete absence of any
>evidence, fact or witness to his crime(s.)
Standing has nothing to do with evidence. I can't sue you for
encroaching on your neighbor's yard, even if I have absolute proof and
10 clergypeople as witnesses. I have no standing. Your neighbor can
sue you if all he has is circumstantial evidence.
DogDiesel
Or tell the Kenyan the word, transparency applies to his own Nazi dictator
wannabe self.
Better yet, dont vote for a sharp dressed pimp lawyer so stupid to not
think Constitutionally eligable matters.
And he who hides his shit has a damn good reason too
Hes a fucking criminal trying to overthrow America.
cuh...@webtv.net
about.They have never even read it before.
cuhulin
John Smith
The faulty decisions and way the run their court rooms, like a mafia
meeting, certainly bears evidence for that conclusion!
Regards,
JS
BDK
nos...@nospam.none says...
It's time you got back on your meds. You shouldn't be going through life
like you are now.
--
BDK- Top of the government shill heap for over 10 years running!
RHF
> In article <ip0d6b$kh...@dogdiesel.eternal-september.org>,
Shill-On BDK... Shill-On !
50 Legal Ways To STOP an Obama Second Term in 2012
and End 'The Cult of Obama'
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/d9dd53e471fbb674
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The American Public "The Voters" Are Trending To
Voting "NO" on an Obama Second Term in 2012
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/d6bd7ee756b86aca
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Another Classic 'Threat-of-Violence' Liberal-Fascist
Reaction by a Member of "The Cult of the Obama"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/b62ce10ceccc49a3
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OK So Prez "BO" {Obama} Releases His Long
Form Hawaiian Birth Certificate : Which Leads
To Many More Questions...
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/e1588f2662d95481
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