The Republican Party is run by Mad Men.
Michael Bachmann
Billionaire on Paper Donald Trump who is ranting and raving about a
birth certificate that Obama has produced for the public. In other
parts of the party they are ranting and raving about providing
contraceptive devices for women that are sexually active, this would
actually reduce abortions. Some of the radical republicans also want to
do away with biology and evolution then teach school children some wild
tale that God created Adam & Eve in the Garden of Eden, then were
talked into eating some forbidden fruit by a talking serpent and
ruining it all for the rest of his. I guess Jehovah was into welfare as
long as you lived by his rules.
In Florida they have passed some drug law testing requirement so
single women with kids have to pay $75 to get $50 worth of food stamps.
It won't be long before the State will require all licensed drivers to
do the same drugs test yearly for the privilege to have a drivers
license.
In Wisconsin despite the fact that the financial woes are caused by
Medicaid and education costs Republicans are against employees having
collective bargaining rights, the freedom of association is wrong in
the Republican eyes.
Jarbidge
> One of the serious presidential candidates that is leading the pack is
> Billionaire on Paper Donald Trump who is ranting and raving about a
> birth certificate that Obama has produced for the public.
LYING DIPSHIT!
He produced a cheap photocopy, NOT an original as asked.
DROP DEAD!
bpnjensen
Man, it's a good thing nobody listens to you.
dave
He's way more American than Erik Kantor or Paul Ryan.
John Smith
obama supporters have produced a, produced on demand, "Certification of
Live Birth" and NOT a photocopy of an original "Certificate of Live Birth."
The latter is acceptable, the former is NOT.
The former may get you a driver license (even illegals can get 'em), but
it is NOT good enough for the public servant office of president.
Regards,
JS
BDK
>
> On 4/20/2011 9:01 AM, Jarbidge wrote:
> > On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 02:17:23 -0700, Michael Bachmann wrote:
> >
> >> One of the serious presidential candidates that is leading the pack is
> >> Billionaire on Paper Donald Trump who is ranting and raving about a
> >> birth certificate that Obama has produced for the public.
> >
> > LYING DIPSHIT!
> >
> > He produced a cheap photocopy, NOT an original as asked.
> >
> > DROP DEAD!
>
> obama supporters have produced a, produced on demand, "Certification of
> Live Birth" and NOT a photocopy of an original "Certificate of Live Birth."
>
> The latter is acceptable, the former is NOT.
Except in any courtroom or for any and all legal purposes, then it is
acceptable. It's only unacceptable to the insane birthers like yourself.
>
> The former may get you a driver license (even illegals can get 'em), but
> it is NOT good enough for the public servant office of president.
>
> Regards,
> JS
Do you drool when you post your batshit crazy bullshit?
--
BDK- Top of the government shill heap for over 10 years running!
John Smith
> ...
> Except in any courtroom or for any and all legal purposes, then it is
> acceptable. It's only unacceptable to the insane birthers like yourself.
>
>>
>> The former may get you a driver license (even illegals can get 'em), but
>> it is NOT good enough for the public servant office of president.
>>
>> Regards,
>> JS
>
> Do you drool when you post your batshit crazy bullshit?
>
>
If you wonder why you are ignored, read the above, again ... ROFLOL
bkn...@conramp.net
wrote:
Talk about a spoiled gene pool! I hope you don't have siblings.
___,
\o
|
/ \
.
“Someone likes every shot”
bk
John Smith
> ...
> Talk about a spoiled gene pool! I hope you don't have siblings.
>
>
> ___,
> \o
> |
> / \
> .
> “Someone likes every shot”
> bk
Funny, I was just thinking, if your mother had done the right thing and
got an abortion, her spoiled little bastard wouldn't be painting
graffiti in all the newsgroups ...
Regards,
JS
RHF
> On Apr 20, 9:01 am, Jarbidge <c...@neva.invalid> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 02:17:23 -0700, Michael Bachmann wrote:
> > > One of the serious presidential candidates that is leading the pack is
> > > Billionaire on Paper Donald Trump who is ranting and raving about a
> > > birth certificate that Obama has produced for the public.
>
> > LYING DIPSHIT!
>
> > He produced a cheap photocopy, NOT an original as asked.
- - DROP DEAD!
- Man, it's a good thing nobody listens to you.
Yeah - You Only Make That Mistake Once ! ;;-}}
.
RHF
> On 04/20/2011 09:01 AM, Jarbidge wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 02:17:23 -0700, Michael Bachmann wrote:
>
> >> One of the serious presidential candidates that is leading the pack is
> >> Billionaire on Paper Donald Trump who is ranting and raving about a
> >> birth certificate that Obama has produced for the public.
>
> > LYING DIPSHIT!
>
> > He produced a cheap photocopy, NOT an original as asked.
>
> > DROP DEAD!
- He's way more American than Erik Kantor or Paul Ryan.
ROTFL : Who and Based on What Metric {Standard} ?
.
.
BDK
>
> On 4/20/2011 10:28 AM, bkn...@conramp.net wrote:
>
> > ...
> > Talk about a spoiled gene pool! I hope you don't have siblings.
> >
> >
> > ___,
> > \o
> > |
> > / \
> > .
> > bk
>
> Funny, I was just thinking, if your mother had done the right thing and
> got an abortion, her spoiled little bastard wouldn't be painting
> graffiti in all the newsgroups ...
>
> Regards,
> JS
Like the list of kookpages you keep posting?
bpnjensen
> In article <ion5fk$lr...@dont-email.me>, win.co...@gmail.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 4/20/2011 10:28 AM, bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
>
> > > ...
> > > Talk about a spoiled gene pool! I hope you don't have siblings.
>
> > > ___,
> > > \o
> > > |
> > > / \
> > > .
> > > ?Someone likes every shot?
> > > bk
>
> > Funny, I was just thinking, if your mother had done the right thing and
> > got an abortion, her spoiled little bastard wouldn't be painting
> > graffiti in all the newsgroups ...
>
> > Regards,
> > JS
>
> Like the list of kookpages you keep posting?
>
> --
>
> - Show quoted text -
The wackiest wonks on the Web! ;-)
John Smith
> ...
> The wackiest wonks on the Web! ;-)
The noise just bugs me as they whack and wonk on their wonkers to
attempt to divert attention away from the subject matter ...
Regards,
JS
dave
>
> obama supporters have produced a, produced on demand, "Certification of
> Live Birth" and NOT a photocopy of an original "Certificate of Live Birth."
>
> The latter is acceptable, the former is NOT.
>
> The former may get you a driver license (even illegals can get 'em), but
> it is NOT good enough for the public servant office of president.
>
> Regards,
> JS
>
That's not for you to decide. I told you the "reasonable person"
preponderance of evidence standard applies. The Constitution doesn't
even define "Natural Born".
The "original intent" of the Founders is that we think for ourselves.
dave
hal lillywhite
> The "original intent" of the Founders is that we think for ourselves.
So each person decides for himself what he wants the constitution to
mean? That is beyond silly. "Your honor, in my mind the right to
freedom of speech means that I can burn down the building of the
newspaper that published that nasty article. Therefore you must not
convict me of arson."
And just who defends "original intent" whatever that is? Rather we
should defend the original *meaning* of the words as used in 1787 (or
in the case of amendments, when they were written). cf
http://hallillywhite.blogspot.com/search?q=living+constitution
Jarbidge
> On 04/20/2011 09:01 AM, Jarbidge wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 02:17:23 -0700, Michael Bachmann wrote:
>>
>>> One of the serious presidential candidates that is leading the pack is
>>> Billionaire on Paper Donald Trump who is ranting and raving about a
>>> birth certificate that Obama has produced for the public.
>>
>> LYING DIPSHIT!
>>
>> He produced a cheap photocopy, NOT an original as asked.
>>
>> DROP DEAD!
>
> He's
Did you hear me asshole?
DROP DEAD!
Jarbidge
> On 4/20/2011 9:01 AM, Jarbidge wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 02:17:23 -0700, Michael Bachmann wrote:
>>
>>> One of the serious presidential candidates that is leading the pack is
>>> Billionaire on Paper Donald Trump who is ranting and raving about a
>>> birth certificate that Obama has produced for the public.
>>
>> LYING DIPSHIT!
>>
>> He produced a cheap photocopy, NOT an original as asked.
>>
>> DROP DEAD!
>
> obama supporters have produced a, produced on demand,
NOTHING!
ZILCH!
NADA!
ZIP!
Jarbidge
FUCK OFF AND DIE!
Jarbidge
A litter's worth...
Jarbidge
> On 4/20/2011 10:28 AM, bkn...@conramp.net wrote:
>
>> ...
>> Talk about a spoiled gene pool! I hope you don't have siblings.
>>
>>
>> ___,
>> \o
>> |
>> / \
>> .
>> “Someone likes every shot”
>> bk
>
> Funny, I was just thinking,
Impossible.
Jarbidge
> The "original intent" of the Founders is that we think for ourselves.
You so manifestly let them down.
Jarbidge
> On Apr 20, 3:32 pm, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
>
>> The "original intent" of the Founders is that we think for ourselves.
>
> So each person decides for himself what he wants the constitution to
> mean? That is beyond silly.
Have you noticed the trash that flowed in to full the poodle void?
Pathetic!
John Smith
> ...
> The "original intent" of the Founders is that we think for ourselves.
Nutjobs claim that all the time ... indeed, obama is attempting to
rewrite it now ...
Regards,
JS
John Smith
You are a piece of crap which has managed to slip my plonk list for far
too long ...
... plonk ... into the old bit bucket!
Regards,
JS
Jarbidge
Bbbuuuuttt....he's a Constitutional "scholar"...isn't he?
Jarbidge
Is YOUR name "dave"?
sheesh..
BDK
You kooks arethe subject, and you're the punch line.
cuh...@webtv.net
http://www.standeyo.com
I am not either.Shake, Rattle and Roll.
cuhulin
John Smith
> ...
> You kooks arethe subject, and you're the punch line.
>
HEHEHEEEEEE! Great wonker there! <yawn>
Regards,
JS
bpnjensen
You're full of shit. This is a SW Radio newsgroup, Pumpkinhead! Who
is THE diversion?
X.O. Verrisi
> NOTHING!
>
> ZILCH!
>
> NADA!
>
> ZIP!
Is there something about intelligent, mature debate that you simply
can't grasp?
Do you ever have anything of interest, or substance, to say?
You are a little dick bitch who feels like it is his civic duty as
a Usenet troll to place his nose firmly in the sphincters of those he
dislikes every time they post. They all own you, spammy.
'Shit happens'
---Traitorous 'Spammy' Ed's reply to the fact that 34 Americans
died and 170 were injured when Israel attacked the USS Liberty.
Spammy is a gutless coward who has never served his country in
uniform.
RHF
Dave -proclaims-in-a-subject-line-
"Obama is not stealing the commons"
Dave *IF* It Was Not So Abundantly Clear . . .
You Would Not Have To 'Proclaim' "BO"s {Obama's}
Innocence So Loudly -and-thus- Prove "BH"s Quilt !
way beyond a reasonable doubt ~ RHF
.
.
Obama State Corporatist Socialism a New Phase
of Liberal-Fascism -that's- O-Ba-Ma-Merica !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/1b4562efbcccef61
.
Dave *IF* By The US Economy You Mean "Commons"
and "Stealing" America's Future IT'S ALL OBAMA'S FAULT !
-but- Oops It Can and Will Get Worse !
where- Oops ! = Obama ! -aka- "BO"
-with- Obama Hyper-Inflation
-plus- Obama Devalues the Dollar !
-thus- The New Obama 'Quarter' Dollar
-yes- The New 'Quarter' Dollar -tyvm- Obama !
-cause- Obama's [FRB] "Quantitative Easing"
Scheme Will Result in the former 2008 US Dollar
being Worth 25 Cents in 2012 {A Quarter 1/4th}
in Just 4-Years of Obama-Nomics©.
Your 'Choice' :
Trust The Weak Obama Dollar Due To :
+ Obama-Regime Over-Spending & Excessive Spending
+ Obama Tax and Higher Taxes = Tax-Slavery
+ Federal Reserve "Quantitative Easing"
= Hyper-Inflation & Devalued Dollar
*OR* Trust Strong Gold & Silver !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/e1d1e0c977970712
.
The-Mark-of-the-Obama© = $6.66 Gasoline :
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/23ea8f5f174ce3fd
Prez "BO" {Obama} Crashing The US Economy !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/dbe6320b24966200
.
The Stink of US Prez-A-Duntz "BO" {Obama}
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/3054d01496c8cce0
and America's Massive Rotting Unemployment
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/b3614bca02e1fd1f
Followed by a Devalued Dollar and Collapsed Economy
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/22eee70472f2a819
.
.
John Smith
>...
> You're full of shit. This is a SW Radio newsgroup, Pumpkinhead! Who
> is THE diversion?
... plonk ...
Regards,
JS
X.O. Verrisi
> LYING DIPSHIT!
and must immediately and painfully
> DROP DEAD!
X.O. Verrisi
> asshole
and needed to
X.O. Verrisi
> FUCK OFF AND DIE!
Bill Shatzer
> And just who defends "original intent" whatever that is? Rather we
> should defend the original *meaning* of the words as used in 1787 (or
> in the case of amendments, when they were written). cf
> http://hallillywhite.blogspot.com/search?q=living+constitution
But "original meaning" is fraught with problems - not the least of which
is -whose- original meaning. The original constitution was authored and
approved by fifty-some delegates to the constitutional convention and
ratified by a thousand or so delegates to the conventions in the various
states. The various amendments were authored and approved by even
greater numbers in the congress and in the various state legislatures
and conventions*.
When the constitution speaks to "unreasonable searches and seizures",
just whose definition of "unreasonable" should we adopt? I'm sure each
of the two thousand or so folks involved in adding that phraseology to
the constitution had their own idiosyncratic views on just what is or is
not "unreasonable".
What guidance does "original meaning" provide there?
*I believe only the 21st amendment was ratified by state conventions
rather than by state legislatures.
peace and justice,
John Smith
> On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 02:17:23 -0700, Michael Bachmann wrote:
>
>> One of the serious presidential candidates that is leading the pack is
>> Billionaire on Paper Donald Trump who is ranting and raving about a
>> birth certificate that Obama has produced for the public.
>
> LYING DIPSHIT!
>
> He produced a cheap photocopy, NOT an original as asked.
>
> DROP DEAD!
This page explains why a "Certification of Live Birth" as opposed to a
"Certificate of Live Birth", at least in the year of obamas' birth --
1961, is open to doubt:
http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/04/07/exposing-the-birth-certificate-lies-used-to-cover-for-obama/
HERE IS ONE IMPORTANT PART, taken from the page:
"The document posted on the web alleged to be and wrongly referred to as
Obama’s birth certificate is titled CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH, and
only certifies a baby was born. The purpose of the Certification is to
provide documentation for those babies and children who do not have a
real birth certificate because they were born at home or outside the
country without benefit of a hospital or doctor. When there is no proof
of hospital or doctor it proves nothing, just the information attested
to by the person filling out the application for a certified document.
This is one of the biggest lies promulgated by people ignorant of the
facts such as Bill O’Reilly and Megyn Kelly of FOX who continue to claim
that what is posted on the internet is the real deal."
Regards,
JS
DEFCON 88
Alan Baker
John Smith <win....@gmail.com> wrote:
No. Sorry. You are incorrect.
The birth certificate that Obama has shown is the only one that Hawai'i
issues.
This is the simple truth of the matter.
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
RHF
> In article <ionh20$l9...@dont-email.me>, win.co...@gmail.com says...
>
>
>
> > On 4/20/2011 1:24 PM, bpnjensen wrote:
>
> > > ...
> > > The wackiest wonks on the Web! ;-)
>
> > The noise just bugs me as they whack and wonk on their wonkers to
> > attempt to divert attention away from the subject matter ...
>
> > Regards,
> > JS
>
> You kooks arethe subject, and you're the punch line.
>
> --
> BDK- Top of the government shill heap for over 10 years running!
-nah-better-
Kooks are a Joke,
and naturally . . .
You're the Punch Line !
.
RHF
> On 04/20/2011 09:54 AM, John Smith wrote:
>
>
>
> > obama supporters have produced a, produced on demand, "Certification of
> > Live Birth" and NOT a photocopy of an original "Certificate of Live Birth."
>
> > The latter is acceptable, the former is NOT.
>
> > The former may get you a driver license (even illegals can get 'em), but
> > it is NOT good enough for the public servant office of president.
>
> > Regards,
> > JS
'Special-Dave' -proclaims- Constitution is vague
and subject to contemporary interpretation
NAH - 'SPECIAL-DAVE YOU ARE WRONG :
In a Very 'Contemporary' Way
...and... That Is My 'Interpretation' ;;-}} ~ RHF
.
'Special-Dave' -wrt- The US Constitution :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Constitution
* Read It's Words !
* Study It's Words !
* Understand It's Words !
DO NOT TRY TO READ BETWEEN THE LINES
AND "INTERPRET" IT'S WORDS INTO WHAT YOU
THINK IT SHOULD SAY AND MEAN FOR YOUR
21ST CENTURY 'IT'S ALL GOOD*' LIFESTYLE
* Moral Relativity : There Are No Wrongs and There
Are No Rights : It All Good ! -no-values-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_relativism
.
- That's not for you to decide.
1st - No that is first for the State Courts and the Individual
State Secretary of States to Decide. Challenges on
Who Can Be "On-the-Ballot" in each and ever State
Election for the US Prez-A-Duntz.
[I Just Get To Vote in My State Election for US President.]
-read-why- US President Obama May Not Be On-the-Ballot
in All 50 US States in 2012 --- Oops !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/b73a74c7b3d32061
Oops... The Truth and The Facts Are Finally
Catching-Up With Prez "BO" {Obama}
2nd - Then the Federal Courts get to Decide.
3rd - Then next the Electoral College gets to Decide.
4th - Then followed by the Joint Session of the whole
US Congress gets to Confirm a/o Decide.
5th - The finally {if necessary} the US House gets to
Elect {Select} a US Prez-A-Duntz.
- I told you the "reasonable person"
Oops - No Such Words {Wording} in the US Constitution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Constitution
.
- preponderance of evidence standard applies.
Oops - No Such Words {Wording} in the US Constitution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Constitution
.
-and-one-must-ask- ? WHAT IS EVIDENCE ?
...and... ! WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE !
Clearly an Internet Photo-Shopped {Doctored-Up}
Simulated "Obama" -aka- Soetoro Hawaii Birth
Certificate : IS NOT EVIDENCE* !
.
* IIRC : Barack Obama Has *NOT* Provided a Legal
Long-Form State [Hawaiian] Issued Birth Certificate
As Part of The Official Public Record.
-j-u-s-t- An Internet Photo-Shopped {Doctored-Up}
Simulated "Obama" -aka- Soetoro Hawaii Birth Certificate
Is NOT Real Long-Form 'Official' State Record [.]
-what-is-obama/soetoro-really-hiding-?-what's-the-secret-
.
The Constitution doesn't even define "Natural Born".
Oops - The Words {Wording} are 'in' the US Constitution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Constitution
"The President must be a 'natural born citizen' of the United States"
-therefore- 'natural born citizen' -is-plainly- "Natural Born
Citizen"
? No Questions! & ? No Maybes! & ? No Could Bes!
FACT : True -or- False [100%] : "Natural Born Citizen*"
* Without any 'qualification', 'obfuscation', 'deception', or
Sealed [Hidden] Records that -oops- can not be found**.
** MIA : No Long-Form, Hospital-Generated Birth Certificate
Exists for Barack Obama in Hawaii.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=254401
Read more: Hawaii official now swears: No Obama birth certificate
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=254401#ixzz1K9sQXePJ
Obama http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=254401
.
- The "original intent" of the Founders is that
- we think for ourselves.
.
Nah - The "Intent" of The Founders Was and Is That
'We' [Faithfully] Follow he US Constitution [.]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Constitution
.
*WRT* "original intent" ? How Would You Know !
-oops-unless-you-are-a-time-traveler-and-a-mind-reader-
.
'special-dave' you make it too easy ~ RHF
.
.
Prez-A-Duntz Obama 'Reconsidering' Second Term Run
in 2012 : Obama Has Been Out Trump'ed !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/6102c3007ce6a3a4
.
OOPS ! : US President Obama May Not Be On-the-Ballot
in All 50 US States in 2012 -read-why-
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/b73a74c7b3d32061
.
WHY : US President Obama May Not Be On-the-Ballot
in All 50 States in 2012 -read-how-
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/5323d853d822b855
.
Donald Trump's Endless Unceasing Attack on the
Obama Birth Certificate Issue Is Sinking Prez Obama
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/07/donald-trump-obama-birth-_1_n_845989.html
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/trump-obama-birth-certficicate/2011/03/23/id/390547
* Update : New Facts Emerging on Obama Birth Certificate
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/DonaldTrump-Obama-birthcertificate-theview/2011/03/28/id/390924
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/10/trump-rides-issue-of-presidents-birth/
* New State Laws for 2012 : Require 'Proof' and Make
Candidates Submit The Official Birth Certificate To Get
On-the-Ballot !
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/stimulus/2011/apr/20/wheres-birth-certificate/
.
State-of-Arizona the 1st US State to Challenge
President Obama's Legal Qualifications To Be
US President in 2012
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/d2a5e43e516e8116
-stopping-a-soetoro/obama-second-term-
.
Obama Birth Certificate The Real Truth -book-by- Jerome Corsi
http://www.alohaupdate.com/2011/04/20/corsis-barack-obama-birth-certificate-truth-book-due-soon/
.
.
RHF
> In article <iooea5$k8...@dont-email.me>,
> John Smith <win.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 4/20/2011 9:01 AM, Jarbidge wrote:
> > > On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 02:17:23 -0700, Michael Bachmann wrote:
>
> > >> One of the serious presidential candidates that is leading the pack is
> > >> Billionaire on Paper Donald Trump who is ranting and raving about a
> > >> birth certificate that Obama has produced for the public.
>
> > > LYING DIPSHIT!
>
> > > He produced a cheap photocopy, NOT an original as asked.
>
> > > DROP DEAD!
>
> > This page explains why a "Certification of Live Birth" as opposed to a
> > "Certificate of Live Birth", at least in the year of obamas' birth --
> > 1961, is open to doubt:
>
> > d-to-cover-for-obama/
>
> > HERE IS ONE IMPORTANT PART, taken from the page:
>
> > "The document posted on the web alleged to be and wrongly referred to as
> > Obama’s birth certificate is titled CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH, and
> > only certifies a baby was born. The purpose of the Certification is to
> > provide documentation for those babies and children who do not have a
> > real birth certificate because they were born at home or outside the
> > country without benefit of a hospital or doctor. When there is no proof
> > of hospital or doctor it proves nothing, just the information attested
> > to by the person filling out the application for a certified document.
> > This is one of the biggest lies promulgated by people ignorant of the
> > facts such as Bill O’Reilly and Megyn Kelly of FOX who continue to claim
> > that what is posted on the internet is the real deal."
>
> > Regards,
> > JS
- No. Sorry. You are incorrect.
-
- The birth certificate that Obama has shown is
- the only one that Hawai'i issues.
-
- This is the simple truth of the matter.
-
- --
- Alan Baker
- Vancouver, British Columbia
- <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
Alan Baker : You Are Posting from Canada
and Unless . . . You Are A US Citizen :
You Have 'No' Standing and 'No' Vote On :
Who Is and Can Be The US Prez-A-Duntz
oh canada --- bye bye :o) ~ RHF
.
.
Obama Birth Certificate... The Real Truth !
-book-by- Jerome Corsi
http://www.alohaupdate.com/2011/04/20/corsis-barack-obama-birth-certificate-truth-book-due-soon/
.
The US Constitution It Is What It Is :
Read It & Study It & Understand It [Words Have Meaning]
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dave
> On Apr 20, 3:32 pm, dave<d...@dave.dave> wrote:
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> So each person decides for himself what he wants the constitution to
> freedom of speech means that I can burn down the building of the
> newspaper that published that nasty article. Therefore you must not
> convict me of arson."
>
> And just who defends "original intent" whatever that is? Rather we
> should defend the original *meaning* of the words as used in 1787 (or
> in the case of amendments, when they were written). cf
> http://hallillywhite.blogspot.com/search?q=living+constitution
Not each person, but each generation. Again "reasonable" is an important
concept.
There is no way to tell what people were really thinking in 1787. Our
brains have shrunk too much in the intervening years to be able to grasp
the complex issues.
dave
dave
Please, post this "plonk list" of which you speak. Mmm Bye!
cuh...@webtv.net
They look 'Top Heavy'.
TILT!
cuhulin, Genie Bras R US
dave
> On Apr 20, 3:32 pm, dave<d...@dave.dave> wrote:
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> 'Special-Dave' -proclaims- Constitution is vague
> and subject to contemporary interpretation
>
> NAH - 'SPECIAL-DAVE YOU ARE WRONG :
> In a Very 'Contemporary' Way
> ...and... That Is My 'Interpretation' ;;-}} ~ RHF
> .
> 'Special-Dave' -wrt- The US Constitution :
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Constitution
> * Read It's Words !
> * Study It's Words !
> * Understand It's Words !
> DO NOT TRY TO READ BETWEEN THE LINES
> AND "INTERPRET" IT'S WORDS INTO WHAT YOU
> THINK IT SHOULD SAY AND MEAN FOR YOUR
> 21ST CENTURY 'IT'S ALL GOOD*' LIFESTYLE
I have no "lifestyle". I live a very austere existence of forced
deprivation as this gives me spiritual strength. I am also better
equipped psychologically for the coming upheaval.
Alfred stomacker
<Michael....@foo.invalid> wrote:
> One of the serious presidential candidates that is leading the pack is
>Billionaire on Paper Donald Trump who is ranting and raving about a
>birth certificate that Obama has produced for the public. In other
>parts of the party they are ranting and raving about providing
>contraceptive devices for women that are sexually active, this would
>actually reduce abortions. Some of the radical republicans also want to
>do away with biology and evolution then teach school children some wild
>tale that God created Adam & Eve in the Garden of Eden, then were
>talked into eating some forbidden fruit by a talking serpent and
>ruining it all for the rest of his. I guess Jehovah was into welfare as
>long as you lived by his rules.
> In Florida they have passed some drug law testing requirement so
>single women with kids have to pay $75 to get $50 worth of food stamps.
>It won't be long before the State will require all licensed drivers to
>do the same drugs test yearly for the privilege to have a drivers
>license.
> In Wisconsin despite the fact that the financial woes are caused by
>Medicaid and education costs Republicans are against employees having
>collective bargaining rights, the freedom of association is wrong in
>the Republican eyes.
beats sucking down the kool aid and touting over a fake BC or one
that proves nothing .
Contraception for women as opposed to the democrat plan of giving
rubbers to little kids and teaching 4 year olds about gay sex .
the list rolls on ....
BDK
It's the sad (for you) truth. Loads of laughs for sane folks.
hal lillywhite
> hal lillywhite wrote:
> > And just who defends "original intent" whatever that is? Rather we
> > should defend the original *meaning* of the words as used in 1787 (or
> > in the case of amendments, when they were written). cf
> >http://hallillywhite.blogspot.com/search?q=living+constitution
>
> But "original meaning" is fraught with problems - not the least of which
> is -whose- original meaning.
Seldom a problem. There is lots of documentation about what legal
words meant at that time. We're not talking about what Madison or
Franklin thought the words meant but about their generally accepted
meaning in 1787. For example, clearly public use did not mean
whatever public purpose some official decided he wanted to meet.
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> When the constitution speaks to "unreasonable searches and seizures",
> just whose definition of "unreasonable" should we adopt?
English common law at the time would define the term since that is
what they were basing it on. In addition the forth amendment
clarified the need to get a warrant based on probable cause.
D. Peter Maus
The actual intentions of the Founders, the specific meanings of
their words, and how they chose the language of the Constitution is
found in the Federalist Papers.
The clarity you seek, is there.
hal lillywhite
> On 04/20/2011 04:24 PM, hal lillywhite wrote:
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> > On Apr 20, 3:32 pm, dave<d...@dave.dave> wrote:
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> >> The "original intent" of the Founders is that we think for ourselves.
>
> > So each person decides for himself what he wants the constitution to
> > mean? That is beyond silly. "Your honor, in my mind the right to
> > freedom of speech means that I can burn down the building of the
> > newspaper that published that nasty article. Therefore you must not
> > convict me of arson."
>
> > And just who defends "original intent" whatever that is? Rather we
> > should defend the original *meaning* of the words as used in 1787 (or
> > in the case of amendments, when they were written). cf
> >http://hallillywhite.blogspot.com/search?q=living+constitution
>
> Not each person, but each generation.
Balderdash! Do you want a contract you signed to change with time,
without your approval? The constitution is effectively a contract and
contracts must mean what they meant at the time of acceptance unless
all parties thereto agree to the changes.
You really should read what is at the link I posted.
> Again "reasonable" is an important
> concept.
And it is not reasonable to allow people to unilaterally change the
meaning of a contract after it has been accepted. That is what you
seem to want to do.
> There is no way to tell what people were really thinking in 1787.
Read what I wrote. There is no need to know what each of them was
thinking. We only need to know what the constitution and its words
meant.
> Our
> brains have shrunk too much in the intervening years to be able to grasp
> the complex issues.
Speaking for yourself I presume.
RHF
> On 04/21/2011 05:19 AM, RHF wrote:
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> > On Apr 20, 3:32 pm, dave<d...@dave.dave> wrote:
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> > 'Special-Dave' -proclaims- Constitution is vague
> > and subject to contemporary interpretation
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> > NAH - 'SPECIAL-DAVE YOU ARE WRONG :
> > In a Very 'Contemporary' Way
> > ...and... That Is My 'Interpretation' ;;-}} ~ RHF
> > .
> > 'Special-Dave' -wrt- The US Constitution :
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Constitution
> > * Read It's Words !
> > * Study It's Words !
> > * Understand It's Words !
> > DO NOT TRY TO READ BETWEEN THE LINES
> > AND "INTERPRET" IT'S WORDS INTO WHAT YOU
> > THINK IT SHOULD SAY AND MEAN FOR YOUR
> > 21ST CENTURY 'IT'S ALL GOOD*' LIFESTYLE
>
- deprivation as this gives me spiritual strength. I am also better
- equipped psychologically for the coming upheaval.
Strange that you should 'choose' the "Unabomber"
and his "Shack" to Identify with 'Special-Dave'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski
-but- After your Post mentioning "Strychnine Laced LSD"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/ee667bca455afe6a
dave - maybe not so strange... ~ RHF
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'Special-*-Dave' Please Get Help ! :
Strychnine Laced LSD + Medical-Marijuana :
Wow That's A Killer Combo !
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John Smith
> ...
> The actual intentions of the Founders, the specific meanings of their
> words, and how they chose the language of the Constitution is found in
> the Federalist Papers.
>
> The clarity you seek, is there.
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You are joking? You expect them to take that as any type of proof?
Hell man, that would totally destroy their "proper interpretations" done
by liberal/wacko judges, criminal politicians/public-servants and
themselves!
I mean, please, only real world examples here!
ROFLOL
Regards,
JS
John Smith
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> The clarity you seek, is there.
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If they ever are in doubt, and their own interpretation fails them, they
just ask themselves, "What would whoopie Goldberg say?" And, everything
becomes crystal clear, for them ...
Regards,
JS
John Smith
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> Please, post this "plonk list" of which you speak. Mmm Bye!
Show me obamas' valid, long form, "Certificate of Live Birth", with a
proper Hawaiian state seal, and I'll give it up ...
Regards,
JS
John Smith
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> I have no "life". I live a very austere existence of forced
>> ...
(Warning: The above has been edited for clarity!)
We know ...
Regards,
JS
John Smith
> In article<iooea5$k8e$5...@dont-email.me>,
> John Smith<win....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 4/20/2011 9:01 AM, Jarbidge wrote:
>>> On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 02:17:23 -0700, Michael Bachmann wrote:
>>>
>>>> One of the serious presidential candidates that is leading the pack is
>>>> Billionaire on Paper Donald Trump who is ranting and raving about a
>>>> birth certificate that Obama has produced for the public.
>>>
>>> LYING DIPSHIT!
>>>
>>> He produced a cheap photocopy, NOT an original as asked.
>>>
>>> DROP DEAD!
>>
>> This page explains why a "Certification of Live Birth" as opposed to a
>> "Certificate of Live Birth", at least in the year of obamas' birth --
>> 1961, is open to doubt:
>>
>> http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/04/07/exposing-the-birth-certificate-lies-use
>> d-to-cover-for-obama/
>>
>> HERE IS ONE IMPORTANT PART, taken from the page:
>>
>> "The document posted on the web alleged to be and wrongly referred to as
>> only certifies a baby was born. The purpose of the Certification is to
>> provide documentation for those babies and children who do not have a
>> real birth certificate because they were born at home or outside the
>> country without benefit of a hospital or doctor. When there is no proof
>> of hospital or doctor it proves nothing, just the information attested
>> to by the person filling out the application for a certified document.
>> This is one of the biggest lies promulgated by people ignorant of the
>> that what is posted on the internet is the real deal."
>>
>> Regards,
>> JS
>
> No. Sorry. You are incorrect.
>
> The birth certificate that Obama has shown is the only one that Hawai'i
> issues.
>
> This is the simple truth of the matter.
>
ROFLOL
Son, morons, such as yourself, are just not that special ... I see an
insane asylum in your near future ... sad, so very, very sad ...
Lay down the bong and step back!
Regards,
JS
John Smith
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> * The Canadian Sentinel
> http://thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com/
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> .
Must be the cold weather up there, the repeated freezing and thawing of
the brain causing massive brain damage and a permanent "brain dead"
condition ... it would be funny, if not so sad ...
Regards,
JS
Alan Baker
<d479709a-4c21-4373...@j13g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
RHF <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > > >> One of the serious presidential candidates that is leading the pack is
> > > >> Billionaire on Paper Donald Trump who is ranting and raving about a
> > > >> birth certificate that Obama has produced for the public.
> >
> > > > LYING DIPSHIT!
> >
> > > > He produced a cheap photocopy, NOT an original as asked.
> >
> > > > DROP DEAD!
> >
> > > This page explains why a "Certification of Live Birth" as opposed to a
> > > "Certificate of Live Birth", at least in the year of obamas' birth --
> > > 1961, is open to doubt:
> >
> > >http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/04/07/exposing-the-birth-certificate...
> > > d-to-cover-for-obama/
> >
> > > HERE IS ONE IMPORTANT PART, taken from the page:
> >
> > > "The document posted on the web alleged to be and wrongly referred to as
> > > Obamaąs birth certificate is titled CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH, and
> > > only certifies a baby was born. The purpose of the Certification is to
> > > provide documentation for those babies and children who do not have a
> > > real birth certificate because they were born at home or outside the
> > > country without benefit of a hospital or doctor. When there is no proof
> > > of hospital or doctor it proves nothing, just the information attested
> > > to by the person filling out the application for a certified document.
> > > This is one of the biggest lies promulgated by people ignorant of the
> > > facts such as Bill OąReilly and Megyn Kelly of FOX who continue to claim
> > > that what is posted on the internet is the real deal."
> >
> > > Regards,
> > > JS
>
> - No. Sorry. You are incorrect.
> -
> - The birth certificate that Obama has shown is
> - the only one that Hawai'i issues.
> -
> - This is the simple truth of the matter.
> -
> Alan Baker : You Are Posting from Canada
> and Unless . . . You Are A US Citizen :
> You Have 'No' Standing and 'No' Vote On :
> Who Is and Can Be The US Prez-A-Duntz
> oh canada --- bye bye :o) ~ RHF
I have as much right as anyone to respond to drivel, but I won't bother
with yours after this.
RHF
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> RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > > > >> One of the serious presidential candidates that is leading the pack is
> > > > >> Billionaire on Paper Donald Trump who is ranting and raving about a
> > > > >> birth certificate that Obama has produced for the public.
>
> > > > > LYING DIPSHIT!
>
> > > > > He produced a cheap photocopy, NOT an original as asked.
>
> > > > > DROP DEAD!
>
> > > > This page explains why a "Certification of Live Birth" as opposed to a
> > > > "Certificate of Live Birth", at least in the year of obamas' birth --
> > > > 1961, is open to doubt:
>
> > > >http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/04/07/exposing-the-birth-certificate...
> > > > d-to-cover-for-obama/
>
> > > > HERE IS ONE IMPORTANT PART, taken from the page:
>
> > > > "The document posted on the web alleged to be and wrongly referred to as
> > > > only certifies a baby was born. The purpose of the Certification is to
> > > > provide documentation for those babies and children who do not have a
> > > > real birth certificate because they were born at home or outside the
> > > > country without benefit of a hospital or doctor. When there is no proof
> > > > of hospital or doctor it proves nothing, just the information attested
> > > > to by the person filling out the application for a certified document.
> > > > This is one of the biggest lies promulgated by people ignorant of the
> > > > that what is posted on the internet is the real deal."
>
> > > > Regards,
> > > > JS
>
> > - No. Sorry. You are incorrect.
> > -
> > - The birth certificate that Obama has shown is
> > - the only one that Hawai'i issues.
> > -
> > - This is the simple truth of the matter.
> > -
> > Alan Baker : You Are Posting from Canada
> > and Unless . . . You Are A US Citizen :
> > You Have 'No' Standing and 'No' Vote On :
> > Who Is and Can Be The US Prez-A-Duntz
> > oh canada --- bye bye :o) ~ RHF
>
> I have as much right as anyone to respond to drivel, but I won't bother
> with yours after this.
>
> --
> Alan Baker
> Vancouver, British Columbia
> <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
Again ROTFL at Canadian Comments on
The Obama US Birth Certificate Issue
-cause- they don't get to vote ~ RHF
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dave
> Seldom a problem. There is lots of documentation about what legal
> words meant at that time. We're not talking about what Madison or
> Franklin thought the words meant but about their generally accepted
> meaning in 1787. For example, clearly public use did not mean
> whatever public purpose some official decided he wanted to meet.
>
Legal words like "unreasonable" and "speedy" and "peers" and "regulated"
have confounded courts for 210 years, but you got it sussed.
dave
>
> The actual intentions of the Founders, the specific meanings of their
> words, and how they chose the language of the Constitution is found in
> the Federalist Papers.
>
> The clarity you seek, is there.
>
The Federalist Papers are adverts as much as anything else. You'll get
more insight from the deeds and letters of the Founders.
dave
Alan Baker
John Smith <win....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4/21/2011 2:23 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
> > In article<iooea5$k8e$5...@dont-email.me>,
> > John Smith<win....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 4/20/2011 9:01 AM, Jarbidge wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 02:17:23 -0700, Michael Bachmann wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> One of the serious presidential candidates that is leading the pack is
> >>>> Billionaire on Paper Donald Trump who is ranting and raving about a
> >>>> birth certificate that Obama has produced for the public.
> >>>
> >>> LYING DIPSHIT!
> >>>
> >>> He produced a cheap photocopy, NOT an original as asked.
> >>>
> >>> DROP DEAD!
> >>
> >> This page explains why a "Certification of Live Birth" as opposed to a
> >> "Certificate of Live Birth", at least in the year of obamas' birth --
> >> 1961, is open to doubt:
> >>
> >> http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/04/07/exposing-the-birth-certificate-lies-
> >> use
> >> d-to-cover-for-obama/
> >>
> >> HERE IS ONE IMPORTANT PART, taken from the page:
> >>
> >> "The document posted on the web alleged to be and wrongly referred to as
> >> Obama⤁s birth certificate is titled CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH, and
> >> only certifies a baby was born. The purpose of the Certification is to
> >> provide documentation for those babies and children who do not have a
> >> real birth certificate because they were born at home or outside the
> >> country without benefit of a hospital or doctor. When there is no proof
> >> of hospital or doctor it proves nothing, just the information attested
> >> to by the person filling out the application for a certified document.
> >> This is one of the biggest lies promulgated by people ignorant of the
> >> facts such as Bill O⤁Reilly and Megyn Kelly of FOX who continue to claim
> >> that what is posted on the internet is the real deal."
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> JS
> >
> > No. Sorry. You are incorrect.
> >
> > The birth certificate that Obama has shown is the only one that Hawai'i
> > issues.
> >
> > This is the simple truth of the matter.
> >
>
> ROFLOL
>
> Son, morons, such as yourself, are just not that special ... I see an
> insane asylum in your near future ... sad, so very, very sad ...
>
> Lay down the bong and step back!
>
> Regards,
> JS
Wow.
So that really is the best you've got, huh?
RHF
The latest 'story' is that the only "Original" Long Form
"Certificate of Live Birth" for "BO" was Buried with "BO"s
Mother and She {RIP} was then Cremated ;;-}} ~ RHF
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bkn...@conramp.net
<rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>On Apr 21, 10:51 am, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
>> In article
>> <d479709a-4c21-4373-9993-23b351495...@j13g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
>> > Alan Baker : You Are Posting from Canada
>> > and Unless . . . You Are A US Citizen :
>> > You Have 'No' Standing and 'No' Vote On :
>> > Who Is and Can Be The US Prez-A-Duntz
>> > oh canada --- bye bye :o) ~ RHF
>>
>> I have as much right as anyone to respond to drivel, but I won't bother
>> with yours after this.
>>
>> --
>> Alan Baker
>> Vancouver, British Columbia
>> <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
>
>Again ROTFL at Canadian Comments on
>The Obama US Birth Certificate Issue
>
>-cause- they don't get to vote ~ RHF
How did you vote on the "Birth Certificate Issue" numbnuts?
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“Someone likes every shot”
bk
John Smith
Good your realize that, Jeffersons' texts/writings is/are very sound,
sensible and easily understood!
"Never spend your money before you have it."
Is very relevant to our present economic condition.
"How much pain have cost us the evils which have never happened."
Speaks much to the false flag operation, controlled demolitions and
crime(s) known as "9/11."
"Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks
and Romans, and must be that of every free state."
Speaks much to the Constitutions stand of firearms/weapons and the
necessity of "civilian militias."
"The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who
reads nothing but newspapers."
Speaks much on the value/truth of main scream media.
Etc., etc., etc. As, just a few examples ...
Luckily, Jefferson was very prolific in generating text which exposed
his thinking, logic and wisdom.
Regards,
JS
Alan Baker
bkn...@conramp.net wrote:
That part had me confused, I admit.
John Smith
>> ...
>> Speaking for yourself I presume.
>
I am speak ABOUT you, actually ...
Now, lay down the UFO shaped bong and step away ...
Regards,
JS
John Smith
> ...
> The latest 'story' is that the only "Original" Long Form
> "Certificate of Live Birth" for "BO" was Buried with "BO"s
> Mother and She {RIP} was then Cremated ;;-}} ~ RHF
> .
> .
ROFLOL!
Those morons love to keep us laughing, don't they! :-)
Regards,
JS
John Smith
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> I've got numbnuts?
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> \o
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> / \
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> “Someone likes every shot”
> bk
(WARNING: The above was edited for clarity.)
NOT OUR PROBLEM NUMBNUTS! (or, is the NONUTS?)
Regards,
JS
John Smith
> ...
> That part had me confused, I admit.
>
You must have got bad drugs this time.
Wait for the effects to wear off and your confabulation to clear up ...
Regards,
JS
dave
> Luckily, Jefferson was very prolific in generating text which exposed
> his thinking, logic and wisdom.
To the point of self-contradiction...
This is my Bible:
John Smith
Yes, when you want to ignore fact and truth, you have to be choosy on
what you show people and how you manipulate text and attempt to
manipulate peoples thinking ...
Dave, trust me, you have more than proven your underhanded tactics,
strong liar skills, ability to ignore the most obvious truth(s) and
moron status ...
We need no more ... if you quit the dope, it might get better, I know,
from all appearances that is difficult to believe, but about your only
option ... at least the brain damage may be arrested at its' present
state ...
Regards,
JS
Bill Shatzer
nutter!
peace and justice,
Bill Shatzer
> On Apr 20, 9:49 pm, Bill Shatzer <ww...@NOcornell.edu> wrote:
>
>>hal lillywhite wrote:
>>
>>>And just who defends "original intent" whatever that is? Rather we
>>>should defend the original *meaning* of the words as used in 1787 (or
>>>in the case of amendments, when they were written). cf
>>>http://hallillywhite.blogspot.com/search?q=living+constitution
>>
>>But "original meaning" is fraught with problems - not the least of which
>>is -whose- original meaning.
>
>
> Seldom a problem. There is lots of documentation about what legal
> words meant at that time. We're not talking about what Madison or
> Franklin thought the words meant but about their generally accepted
> meaning in 1787. For example, clearly public use did not mean
> whatever public purpose some official decided he wanted to meet.
>
> ...
>
>
>>When the constitution speaks to "unreasonable searches and seizures",
>>just whose definition of "unreasonable" should we adopt?
> English common law at the time would define the term since that is
> what they were basing it on.
And just what did the English common law have to say about infrared
cameras and telephone taps?
> In addition the forth amendment
> clarified the need to get a warrant based on probable cause.
We can add "probable cause" to the list of constitutional imponderables.
peace and justice,
Lobby Dosser
news:ioqcq4$an9$1...@dont-email.me...
Billy channels Curt ...
--
"I'm the man who broke the bank at Monte Carlo ..."
Bill Shatzer
> The actual intentions of the Founders, the specific meanings of their
> words, and how they chose the language of the Constitution is found in
> the Federalist Papers.
> The clarity you seek, is there.
Well, no. The Federalist papers are the thoughts of only two of the
fifty some convention delegates (Jay wasn't even at Philadelphis)
And ignoring the fact that the authors of the Federalist Papers left
many meanings unaddressed, they are no help at all on any of the
subsequent amendments.
peace and justice,
D. Peter Maus
> D. Peter Maus wrote:
>
>
>> The actual intentions of the Founders, the specific meanings of
>> their words, and how they chose the language of the Constitution
>> is found in the Federalist Papers.
>
>> The clarity you seek, is there.
>
> Well, no. The Federalist papers are the thoughts of only two of the
> fifty some convention delegates (Jay wasn't even at Philadelphis)
They are the thoughts of the men who wrote the document. There is
no one better to clarify the use of language.
John Smith
Yeah, truth can be stranger than fiction. When Hawaii became a state,
laws concerning birth certificates became VERY lax (well, they were lax
to begin with, to be truthful.) The most important goal were as many
citizens of Hawaii as possible ... influence with house and senate
representatives, population numbers which qualified for various forms of
"federal aid" and assistance, etc. were STRONG motivators ... those
unfamiliar with Hawaiis' history would/will need some time to review it
all ...
Regards,
JS
John Smith
> ...
> Billy channels Curt ...
>
Has he been certified by shirley maclaine? To channel?
Yanno', pretty much, anyone making application at the local nuthouse can
get certification <chuckle.>
Regards,
JS
Jarbidge
> peace and justice,
>
peaking of 911...
How can you be such a damned traitor?
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Bill Shatzer wrote:
And over 4,000 Americans have paid with their lives for that little
adventure. Plus a half a trillion dollars in national treasure
You might compare that with the number of lives lost on 9-11. Or the
economic injury incurred from that event.
It would have been cheaper in both lives and money to just suffer
another 9-11 every six or seven years.
Peace and justice,
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Jarbidge
> We can add "probable cause" to the list of constitutional imponderables.
>
> peace and justice,
peaking of 911...
Jarbidge
> nutter!
Jarbidge
> What guidance does "original meaning" provide there?
Jarbidge
> There is no way to tell what people were really thinking in 1787.
Um...we could try READING what they wrote....
Jarbidge
> This is my Bible:
>
> http://www.ushistory.org/paine/rights/index.htm
Got something against the REAL thing?
bkn...@conramp.net
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>Bill Shatzer wrote:
>
>And over 4,000 Americans have paid with their lives for that little
>adventure. Plus a half a trillion dollars in national treasure
>You might compare that with the number of lives lost on 9-11. Or the
>economic injury incurred from that event.
>It would have been cheaper in both lives and money to just suffer
>another 9-11 every six or seven years.
>Peace and justice,
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Bill, you're correct about the actual figures. So I'm sure that you
would be willing to put your family at ground zero for that next
time. Right?
So much for your stupidity.
Jarbidge
Tell it.
cuh...@webtv.net
gas.Average price per gallon here in backwater hick Jackson is $3.66
Screw google SUCKS!!!!!! Screw iPhone SUCKS!!!! Screw iPad SUCKS!!!!
Are you a Good little google SUCKS!!!! Comrade?
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
I just now saw on 6:00 PM WAPT 16 tee vee noos, that McDonald's burger
joint in Clinton,Missy Sippy got in touch with Burger Boy today.Burger
Boy got a free double cheeseburger and a free fries and a free milkshake
from McDonald's.
cuhulin
John Smith
Yeah, I really couldn't hardly understand a word that kid said, but I
kinda figured he looked like one who wouldn't work for it ... Micky Ds'
welfare burgers! I knew it would, eventually, come down to that ...
Regards,
JS
cuh...@webtv.net
to a hospital/clinic and look at those charts) hamburgers are Killers!,
so are all kinds of fried 'foods'.I don't eat that Sheet!
Have you ever donated blood plasma before and seen that Sheet floating
around in those blood plasma bottles?
My blood veins and arteries are in Good condition.
cuhulin
X.O. Verrisi
> On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 16:23:25 -0700, Bill Shatzer wrote:
>
>> peace and justice,
>>
>
> peaking of ...
... your unreasoning hatred, which is based entirely on your
inability to reason, because you are ruled by fear. You are
dominated by the amygdala. Your anterior cingulate cortex
is shriveled and non-functional.
Is there something about intelligent, mature debate that you simply
can't grasp?
Do you ever have anything of interest, or substance, to say?
You are a little dick bitch who feels like it is his civic duty as
a Usenet troll to place his nose firmly in the sphincters of those he
dislikes every time they post. They all own you, spammy.
'Shit happens'
---Traitorous 'Spammy' Ed's reply to the fact that 34 Americans
died and 170 were injured when Israel attacked the USS Liberty.
Spammy is a gutless coward who has never sered his country in
uniform.
X.O. Verrisi
> On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 16:13:30 -0700, Bill Shatzer wrote:
>
>> We can add "probable cause" to the list of constitutional imponderables.
>>
>> peace and justice,
>
Something you did long ago, shitbreath. You are nothing but
unreasoning hatred, which is based entirely on your inability
to reason, because you are ruled by fear. You are dominated by
the amygdala. Your anterior cingulate cortex is shriveled and
non-functional.
Is there something about intelligent, mature debate that you simply
can't grasp?
Do you ever have anything of interest, or substance, to say?
You are a little dick bitch who feels like it is his civic duty as
a Usenet troll to place his nose firmly in the sphincters of those he
dislikes every time they post. They all own you, spammy.
'Shit happens'
---Traitorous 'Spammy' Ed's reply to the fact that 34 Americans
died and 170 were injured when Israel attacked the USS Liberty.
Spammy is a gutless coward who has never served his country in
uniform.
X.O. Verrisi
>
>
>> nutter!
>>
>> peace and justice,
>>
>
... your unreasoning hatred, which is based entirely on your