Re: Proof That the Sampradaya Sun Cannot Be Trusted: correction

[Urmila/Edith Best]

Correction: The office address change was done in 2006, and the name change in 2002.

Sorry for the mistake; I am in Europe and away from the physical papers; also I am very busy at present with a conference and publishing deadline.

No one in any positional authority in ISKCON has anything to do with the corporation.

Your servant, Urmila devi dasi

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Urmila devi dasi/Dr. Edith Best <urmilad...@gmail.com> wrote:

Bruce Jacobs was made the agent in 2006 because at that time no other director was living in North Carolina. Bruce Jacobs resigned from the corporation in December, 2008, and it seems that we neglected to register a new agent. Thank you for bringing the matter of the registered agent to our attention. We are working with our lawyer to rectify the situation. The name change is not pending. It was registered in June of 2006. The corporation continues to be non-profit and there is no plan to change that. Thank you for your interest.
your servant, Urmila devi dasi

On 7/16/2010 4:01 PM, Pratyatosa wrote:

Dear Mother Jahnava Prabhu, Hare Krishna! Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

You have obviously done your homework. You didn't just "make it up" like one of my children told me. Please forgive me for falsely accusing you.

However, your saying on http://harekrsna.com/sun/features/07-10/features1793.htm that the name change from "Iskcon Education of North Carolina, Inc." to "Padma, Inc." is "pending" was pure speculation. There is no truth to it whatsoever.

As far as what http://www.secretary.state.nc.us/corporations/Agent.aspx?AgentId=5246849 means, I do not know, and my children, who are all active in the running of Padma Inc. don't seem to know either. My wife and kids have been telling me for years that "Bruce Jacobs" (Bir Krishna das Goswami) no longer has anything to do with Padma, Inc., so it's a mystery to me why he became the "Registered Agent" in 2006. Were they were under the illusion that the "Registered Agent" for a North Carolina Corporation had to reside in North Carolina?

In the mean time, I have added Bir Krishna Maharaja and my wife (Urmila Devi Dasi) to the list of receivers. Perhaps they can help us to clear up this mystery.

Your servant, Pratyatosa Dasa

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 3:01 AM, <s...@harekrsna.com <mailto:s...@harekrsna.com>> wrote:

   To the Pratyatosa Distribution List,

   Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

   Here's the combined record showing the original non-profit and the
   name
   change to Padma Inc.  Bruce Jacobs is listed as Registered Agent:
   http://www.secretary.state.nc.us/corporations/Corp.aspx?PitemId=4623992

   Click the link for "Jacobs, Bruce" to get his personal record as
   the R.A.,
   and you'll see the record showing two entities:  one non-profit,
   one "BUS"
   (for-profit).  Both are listed under Jacobs.  No other names are
   associated with the record.

   On this page you will see status listed as "In process", i.e.,
   "pending":
   http://www.secretary.state.nc.us/corporations/Corp.aspx?PitemId=7986296

   In the event these database links expire (which they sometimes
   do), simply
   go to the main corp. search page and type in "Padma", and follow the
   links: http://www.secretary.state.nc.us/corporations/CSearch.aspx

   your servant,
   Jahnava



   > Dear Prabhus, Hare Krishna! Please accept my humble obeisances. All
   > glories
   > to Srila Prabhupada!
   >
   > If you look at the information about my wife's corporation,
   Padma, Inc.,
   > from the State of North Carolina's official website:
   >
   >
   http://www.secretary.state.nc.us/corporations/Corp.aspx?PitemId=4623992
   >
   > ... you will see that it doesn't say anything about "pending" or
   > "for-profit"
   > as is stated in the Sampradaya Sun article (See below)
   >
   > This is from my daughter, one of the board members of the
   corporation:
   > *
   > **Bruce Jacobs has not been a director for some years. The name was
   > changed
   > years ago. All the dealings of the corporation are done with the
   advice of
   > a
   > non-profit lawyer and we are wholly within the law.*
   >
   > In light of this, how can we believe anything that they tell us?
   >
   > Your servant, Pratyatosa Dasa
   <http://groups.google.com/group/istagosthi,
   > http://causelessmercy.com/ http://rtvik.com/ http://pratyatosa.com/
   > http://feedacow.com/ http://llbest.com/>
   >
   >
   >  From http://harekrsna.com/sun/features/07-10/features1793.htm :
   >
   > *Today's report covers ISKCON-related corporations in North
   Carolina, a
   > number of which are associated with HH Bir Krishna das Goswami.
   One of
   > these, Iskcon Education of North Carolina, Inc., is a domestic
   non-profit
   > entity that was incorporated by Bruce Jacobs (Bir Krishna das
   Goswami) on
   > January 9, 1991. It currently has an application pending to
   change the
   > entity's legal name to Padma, Inc., and also to change its
   status from a
   > non-profit to a for-profit corporation. *
   >
   > * Given that this was an ISKCON corporation run by a GBC member,
   ISKCON
   > diksa guru and swami, one would expect that the assets and
   profits of
   > Iskcon
   > Education of North Carolina, Inc./Padma Inc. will be under the
   purview of
   > the GBC, and not absorbed into the personal wealth of its
   director(s)*
   >
   > *.*
   >
   > *.*
   >
   > *.*
   >
   > *02 Iskcon Education of North Carolina, Inc.
   > Clusters: #36 *
   >
   > * Incorporated by Bruce Jacobs, Iskcon Education of North
   Carolina, Inc.
   > is
   > located at 915 Dimmocks Mill Road, Hillsborough, NC. Iskcon
   Education of
   > North Carolina, Inc. was incorporated as a domestic non-profit
   on January
   > 9,
   > 1991 in the State of NC and is currently active. Bruce Jacobs
   represents
   > the
   > corporation as their registered agent. *
   >
   > *
   > *
   >
   > *03 Padma, Inc.
   > Clusters: #36 *
   >
   > * Application is pending whereby Iskcon Education of North
   Carolina, Inc.,
   > located at 915 Dimmocks Mill Road, Hillsborough, NC,
   incorporated by Bruce
   > Jacobs, will change its name to Padma, Inc., and will change its
   status as
   > a
   > domestic non-profit to a domestic for-profit corporation. Bruce
   Jacobs
   > represents both corporations as their registered agent.*

[Pratyatosa]

Dear Keshava, from <http://harekrsna.com/sun/features/07-10/features1800.htm>:

But in an email from Urmila devi's son Keshava dasa, who was responding to our request for the names and contact information for Padma, Inc.'s officers and directors, Keshava informed us that Bir Krishna das Goswami is still one of the directors. He wrote:

"As you can see online they [Padma's officers/directors] are Mayapur Fiorentino, Bruce Jacobs and Edith Best. You have already emailed two of them earlier in this discussion.

I am probably much more knowledgeable and informed about the activities and finances of Padma Inc. than any of them though since I'm the one that manages it all."

1. Where can we see online that "[Padma's officers/directors] are Mayapur Fiorentino, Bruce Jacobs and Edith Best?"

2. Who actually incorporated Iskcon Education of North Carolina on 1/9/1991? (I was still in Detroit at the time, bringing our 2 houses up to code so that they could be sold.)

Note: This thread is a continuation of the following Prabhupadanuga forum thread:

Proof That the Sampradaya Sun Cannot Be Trusted<http://groups.google.com/group/istagosthi/browse_thread/thread/2672ad55e70ef4e1/747e301a2c0df7e6>

[Pratyatosa]

More "Proof That the Sampradaya Sun Cannot Be Trusted."

They were sent the forwarded email below 6 days ago, and still, the Sampradaya Sun staff refuses to admit that they made any mistake whatsoever. They are grasping at straws, desperately trying to cover their tracks by lying about what a NC State web page said before it was corrected, etc. The truth is, what the web site said made no sense to anyone with even a tiny modicum of intelligence. But since the Sampradaya Sun staff are self-motivated fault finders, they have obviously lost their intelligence.

Your servant, Pratyatosa Dasa

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Keshava Best <keshav...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:24 PM
Subject: Fwd: Proof That the Sampradaya Sun Cannot Be Trusted
To: Pratyatosa Dasa ACBSP <praty...@gmail.com>


Father,

This is okay to forward. Jahnava claims that they made no false accusations. See below for the truth.

Keshava

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Keshava Best <keshav...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: Proof That the Sampradaya Sun Cannot Be Trusted

To: s...@harekrsna.com

Jahnava,

Let's also dissect this paragraph to see which of your 5 statements are true and which are false accusations.


http://harekrsna.com/sun/features/07-10/features1793.htm

"Application is pending whereby Iskcon Education of North Carolina, Inc., located at 915 Dimmocks Mill Road, Hillsborough, NC, incorporated by Bruce Jacobs, will change its name to Padma, Inc., and will change its status as a domestic non-profit to a domestic for-profit corporation. Bruce Jacobs represents both corporations as their registered agent."

   1. Yes - it is located at that address.
   2. It was not incorporated by Bruce Jacobs. Nor does the State site say that. The incorporation records on their site are missing (though I have them).
   3. Second, the name was changed to Padma Inc a long time ago (3/5/2002) http://www.secretary.state.nc.us/corporations/Filings.aspx?PItemId=4623992
   4. You say "it will change its status". Perhaps you could have said that "there is an in-process business record for Padma Inc".
   5. The last statement is correct.

Score:
2 true statements
3 false accusations

Keshava

[Pratyatosa]

http://groups.google.com/group/istagosthi got 8 web views in the last 7 minutes. The SS people think that they are very clever by quoting from the forum without giving it a link, but everyday, somehow or other, more and more people are finding their way to the forum. The result of their deviousness is that no intelligent person takes anything that they say seriously.

Your servant, Pratyatosa Dasa

[Pratyatosa]

Dear Prabhus, just to clarify, this discussion is split up among the following 3 threads on the Prabhupadanuga forum:

Proof That the Sampradaya Sun Cannot Be Trusted <http://groups.google.com/group/istagosthi/browse_thread/thread/2672ad55e70ef4e1>
Started: July 15, 2010, 3:08 pm

The Sampradaya Sun: "We will not discuss this issue with you" <http://groups.google.com/group/istagosthi/browse_thread/thread/861653b129efda6>
Started: July 16, 2010, 2:26 PM

Proof That the Sampradaya Sun Cannot Be Trusted: correction<http://groups.google.com/group/istagosthi/browse_thread/thread/1178900f9d89ce77>
Started: July 17, 2010, 9:09 am

Your servant, Pratyatosa Dasa

PS: http://groups.google.com/group/istagosthi got 28 web views in the last 34 minutes.

[Pratyatosa]

In today's Sampradaya Sun article about my wife's non-profit corporation, it also says "Urmila devi's estranged husband, Pratyatosa das." That's the first time that I've ever heard myself referred to as an "estranged husband!" It might seem like that to a fault-finding karmi, but to pure-minded devotees, we are simply fairly successful at following Srila Prabhupada's instructions to take to the vanaprastha asrama at age 50.

Your servant, Pratyatosa Dasa

[Pratyatosa]

Dear Prabhus, Hare Krishna! Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

From Corporate ISKCON - Part 37:

Keshava informed us that Bir Krishna das Goswami is still one of the directors. He wrote: "As you can see online they [Padma's officers/directors] are Mayapur Fiorentino, Bruce Jacobs and Edith Best.

SS Question:
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:27 PM, <s...@harekrsna.com> wrote:
Names and contacts, please?

Keshava's answer:
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Keshava Best <keshav...@gmail.com> wrote:
As you can see online they are Mayapur Fiorentino, Bruce Jacobs and Edith Best.

As you can see from the above (Please also note the entire email exchange below), my youngest son, Keshava, who has a degree in business from UNC Chapel Hill and is the President/CEO of Divine Foods, was simply answering the question, "Names and contacts, please?" He answered the question by repeating the contact information which was already available on the State of North Carolina's website. In other words, he supplied no new information whatsoever. Despite this, the SS people again went hog wild with their self-motivated mental speculations and inserted [Padma's officers/directors] instead of [Padma's names/contacts]. Still more "Proof That the Sampradaya Sun Cannot Be Trusted!"

Keshava also says below, "Padma Inc. was incorporated by Edith Best, not Bruce Jacobs." Although the SS people were also informed by both myself and Keshava several days ago that they were wrong about this, they are still insisting that "Iskcon Education of North Carolina, Inc. (Padma, Inc.), ... was incorporated by Bruce Jacobs." How did they arrive at this erroneous conclusion in the first place? Pure self-motivated, incompetent mental speculation! There is not one shred of evidence on the NC State website to back up this false claim! This foolish mistake was made even after several months of investigating ISKCON related corporations! Even more "Proof That the Sampradaya Sun Cannot Be Trusted!"

Your servant, Pratyatosa Dasa

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Keshava Best <keshav...@gmail.com>

Date: Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: The Sampradaya Sun: "We will not discuss this issue with you"
To: s...@harekrsna.com
Cc: Pratyatosa Dasa ACBSP <praty...@gmail.com>, ...


Jahnava,

To clarify, Bruce Jacobs is the registered agent for Padma Inc as you can see online. I have been informed that he has not been an officer or director for some time. A registered agent is not necessarily an officer or director, but just someone to handle any incoming mail for corporate purposes.

I apologize for the mistake. My knowledge is about the activities and finances of the corporation, not the history of corporate documents. I do have the original articles of incorporation and Padma Inc was incorporated by Edith Best, not Bruce Jacobs.

Padma Inc continues to use the entirety of its resources and donations towards goals worth of a non-profit organization. You are welcome to visit our website for more information and reference it on your website. I'm sure you would be particularly eager to help with our massive project to bring modern reading technology to ISKCON schools worldwide.

http://www.illuminationeducation.com/

And by the way - my name is spelled Keshava not Kesava.

Keshava

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Keshava Best <keshav...@gmail.com> wrote:

As you can see online they are Mayapur Fiorentino, Bruce Jacobs and Edith Best. You have already emailed two of them earlier in this discussion.

I am probably much more knowledgeable and informed about the activities and finances of Padma Inc. than any of them though since I'm the one that manages it all.

Keshava

 

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:27 PM, <s...@harekrsna.com> wrote:

Names and contacts, please?

Thank you.

> You can email them directly.
>
> Keshava
>
> On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 9:58 PM, <s...@harekrsna.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank you for the reply.  We're interested in having this discussing
>> with
>> an officer or director.  Please feel free to forward the thread on to
>> your
>> mother, or another principle.
>>
>>
>>
>> > Accountant
>> >
>> > On Friday, July 16, 2010,  <s...@harekrsna.com> wrote:
>> >> Before we spend further time discussing this with you, please tell us
>> >> what
>> >> your role is, other than family member?  Are you a principle of Padma
>> >> Inc., or of the previously named entity?

>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> So the reference you quoted says that the incorporator is not
>> >>> necessarily the same as the registered agent. How does it prove that
>> >>> Bruce Jacobs had to be the one to register the corporation just
>> >>> because he is now the registered agent?
>> >>>
>> >>> Do you even know what Padma Inc does currently?
>> >>>
>> >>> Keshava
>> >>>
>> >>> On Friday, July 16, 2010, s...@harekrsna.com <s...@harekrsna.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>> Again, in response to Pratyatosa's histrionics:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Here's the corporate record:
>> >>>>
>> http://www.secretary.state.nc.us/corporations/Corp.aspx?PitemId=4623992
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Which lists one name only -- Bruce Jacobs, Registered Agent.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Definition of an "incorporator":  the incorporator is simply the
>> >>>> individual who files the articles of incorporation. The
>> incorporator’s
>> >>>> duties and title end after incorporating. The incorporator must be
>> old
>> >>>> enough to legally enter into contracts.  If the incorporator is
>> also
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> Registered Agent, their duties in the latter role continue until
>> such
>> >>>> time
>> >>>> as the officers or directors appoint a new Registered Agent.
>> Filings
>> >>>> are
>> >>>> typically considered to be done by the Registered Agent, who
>> >>>> officially
>> >>>> attests to knowing another signing party (director) named in the
>> >>>> Articles,
>> >>>> and the R.A. commits to receiving communications on behalf of the
>> >>>> incorporated entity in future so compliance can be assured.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You're wrong again, Pratyatosa.  Don't bother sending the apologies
>> >>>> this
>> >>>> time.  We'd prefer to receive a schedule of the assets that existed
>> in
>> >>>> Iskcon Education of North Carolina, Inc  before its name was
>> changed
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> Padma Inc., which is apparently your wife's private corporation.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thank you.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Dear Prabhus,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> http://harekrsna.com/sun/features/07-10/features1793.htm
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ... also says:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> "Iskcon Education of North Carolina, Inc. ... was incorporated by
>> >>>>> Bruce
>> >>>>> Jacobs"
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> This is totally false, and is yet another example of the
>> Sampradaya
>> >>>>> Sun's
>> >>>>> runaway mental speculation. The fact is that Iskcon Education of
>> >>>>> North
>> >>>>> Carolina, Inc was incorporated by Edith E. Best (my wife). Here's
>> >>>>> proof. According
>> >>>>> to the topmost (oldest) PDF document on:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> http://www.secretary.state.nc.us/corporations/Filings.aspx?PItemId=4623992
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ... Edith E. Best was the original registered agent.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> For me to say on the *Proof That the Sampradaya Sun Cannot Be
>> >>>>> Trusted*<
>> >>>>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/istagosthi/browse_thread/thread/2672ad55e70ef4e1
>> >
>> >>>>> thread that Mother Jahnava "did her homework" was obviously giving
>> >>>>> her
>> >>>>> way
>> >>>>> too much credit.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> In light of what's been discovered yesterday and today, how can we
>> >>>>> trust
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>> Sampradaya Sun to ever get their "facts" right?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Here's yet another example of their incompetence. This is from the
>> >>>>> *Some
>> >>>>> Webmasters Are Responsible; Some Are Not*<
>> >>>>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/istagosthi/browse_thread/thread/545bcd7a81fc000f/
>> >
>> >>>>> thread:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> *I wrote to [the Sampradaya Sun] on June 21st stating that
>> >>>>> http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/06-10/editorials6201.htm

[Patrick Hedemark]

Why is Mother Urmila being criticized for working under the sanction of the State of North Carolina as a Not - for - Profit?   Why would she - an initiated brahmana do otherwise?   The Manu Samhita STRICTLY forbids the taxation of the  brahman class. Everything belongs to the Lord in fact and AT LEAST the brahman class is at least in theory - meant to and hopefully DOES in fact - in their "eating and speaking  ONLY on behal of the Lord - PROVIDE the Society as a whole - the greatest benefits imaginable. Since this is THEIR WORK and it purpose - at least in the US - their work and the resources they gather and employ in the service of the Lord - are not to be diverted to any other purpose.   What I find odd about this attack of The Roach is this:   I would wager that he has likewise regestered his Sampradaya Sun operation as as some form of Not - for - Profit in Canada in order to assist him in his own "peculiar" version of "brahminical" labor. Of course  I may be wrong - but this would be worth further investigation.   If he is in fact so registered - enjoying the protection of the Canadian Government - THEN - this issue merely boils down to this:   He presumes that HE and  HIS EFFORTS merit the protection of the "King" but Mother Urmila and all others he criticizes DO NOT.   I would suggest you make some investigation in this way and if my suspicians are proven to be accurate - just expose the hypocricy, and duplicity of this man and the arrogance that fuels it.   Sincerely   Praghosa   PS...My permanent gratitude to you and your wife for all your years of teaching my children.   --- On Thu, 7/22/10, Pratyatosa <praty...@gmail.com> wrote: