Winding up the net
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THE ART OF TROLLING: Winding up the net
INTRODUCTION
The object of this post is to bring together a definitive document to
cover the phenomena of the Usenet Troll. To many a troll is nothing
more than an annoying method of defeating the killfile whereas to the
heavily killfiled, trolling can be a virtual Godsend.
What I want this document to focus on is how to create entertaining
trolls. I have drawn on the expertise of the writer's of some of
Usenet's finest and best remembered trolls. Trolls are for fun. The
object of recreational trolling is to sit back and laugh at all those
gullible idiots that will believe *anything*.
Section 1: What Is A Troll?
The WWW gives this as a definition:
troll v.,n. To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable
responses or flames. Derives from the phrase "trolling for newbies";
which in turn comes from mainstream "trolling";, a style of fishing in
which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite.
The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and
flamers to make themselves look even more clueless than they already do,
while subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in
fact a deliberate troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be
in on it.
The following extract is from a broader expansion of the defining
comments given above:
In Usenet usage, a "troll" is not a grumpy monster that lives beneath
a bridge accosting passers-by, but rather a provocative posting to a
newsgroup intended to produce a large volume of frivolous responses.
The content of a "troll" posting generally falls into several areas.
It may consist of an apparently foolish contradiction of common
knowledge, a deliberately offensive insult to the readers of a newsgroup,
or a broad request for trivial follow-up postings.
There are three reasons why people troll newsgroups:
People post such messages to get attention, to disrupt newsgroups, and
simply to make trouble.
Career trollers tend for the latter two whilst the former is the mark of
the clueless newbie and should be ignored.
Section 2: Design Issues
A troll is no different to any other Usenet posting. That needs to be
stressed. Any article that you decide to write should be written with
a view to it actually being read by large numbers of people. Simply
X-posting to large numbers of irrelevant newsgroups is not creative
trolling - it is just spam and should be avoided.
The experienced troller spends time carefully choosing the right subject
and delivering it to the right newsgroup. With trolls, delivery is just
as important as the subject.
Start the troll in a reasonable and erudite manner. You have to engage
your readers' interest and draw them in. Never give too much away at
the start - although a brief abstract with hints of what's to come can
work wonders.
Construct your troll in a manner to make it readable. Use short
paragraphs and lots of white space. Keep line length below eighty
characters. Use a liberal amount of emphasis and even the occasional
illustration. A good rule of thumb is that as your troll becomes more
and more ludicrous put extra effort into the presentation - this keeps
the mug punter confused. Let confusion and chaos be your goal!
Section 3 Content
Make your subject a relevant one. Posting "Star Trek Sucks" into
hk.forsale is not going to work very well and is liable to utterly
destroy your hard earned reputation as a troller overnight.
You do not have to make the subject clear. Trolls are aimed at two
audiences, the respondees and the lurkers. The best trolls reveal
their true subject only to the lurkers. In every sense those who reply
to your troll are your tools. So choose a theme for your troll and
stick to it.
Outwardly you need to appear sincere, but at the same time you have
to tell your *real* audience that this is blatant flamebait. Your
skill is shown in the easy way that you manipulate large areas of
the Usenet community into making public fools of themselves.
Section 4 Newsgroup Selection
Choice of newsgroup is as important as the subject, tone and structure
of the troll. You want to appeal to each group you X-post into to ensure
responses from each group. A well delivered troll will anticipate what
those responses will be and thus ensure that contradictions will arise
amongst the different groups that you are setting up.
BAD:
Posting "USA Sucks" to alt.nuke.the.USA, alt.usa-sucks, aus.flame.usa
This is totally on-topic and obvious. A truly useless troll.
AVERAGE:
Posting "God Doesn't Exist" to all the alt.religion newsgroups
Here you are being too obvious. People recognise this sort of trouble
making and have usually learned not to respond to it. However, if your
troll is well written you can actually entrap a lot of newbies. This,
if executed correctly, can be exploited to cause great offence to those
more experienced troll avoiders on the groups you are attacking. Go for it!
GOOD:
Posting an article that appears relevant to every group but with no
connection between those groups other than the fact that you've just
trolled them.
The best trolls go out to an average of around eight or nine newsgroups.
This will stop them from becoming spam as it's not quite enough to be
a real problem. However, to get by on so few groups you have to include
a couple of popular ones in the list.
When posting to say seven groups you should try to break down your theme
into seven areas - each of which will be of specific interest to just
one of those groups. You then write an eight paragraph troll with a
paragraph for each group and a spare one for yourself with which to lob
in a gratuitous insult to everyone who was dumb enough to read your troll.
It is a matter of choice whether you choose newsgroups before or after
writing the troll. Some experts claim that newsgroup selection is the
key to successful trolling and should be done first, others will write
general trolls and then apply the standard Perl script that trollers
use for Automatic Random Newsgroup Selection. (I think this script is
available on the web but I haven't yet got the URL - sorry)
Section 5 Know Your Audience
Remember that you have two audiences. The people who are going to get
the maximum enjoyment out of your post are other trollers. You need to
keep in contact with them through both your troll itself and the way
you direct its effect. It is trollers that you are trying to entertain
so be creative - trollers don't just want a laugh from you they want
to see good trolls so that they can also learn how to improve their
own in the never ending search for the perfect troll.
The other audience is of course the little people in those newsgroups
that your are attacking. Get to know them. Every newsgroup has its
smartarse who will expose your troll if given half a chance. Research
your targets and learn what their arguments are. Then avoid those
arguments like the plague. Drag them off-topic - the further
off-topic the better. Remember, you are trying to waste their time.
Never take sides - remember that your goal is not to win an argument,
rather it is to provoke a futile one that runs forever.
If, for example you were attacking Fast Food then you should also X-post
to Healthy Eating groups, Environmental Protection Groups, Animal
Rights Groups etc....You want to try to ensure that you have the
broadest possible range of opinions as this is the easiest way to
sow confusion. The more confusion the less the likelihood of your
troll being exposed for what it is.
It can also be shown that the inclusion of just one totally off-topic
newsgroup can have dramatic effects. The list above is taken from a
genuine troll which also included an Artificial Intelligence group,
the result of which was to draw Computer Guru Professor Marvin Minsky
into a flamewar concerning Ronald McDonald's exploitation of the
disabled - an all-time classic piece of trolling - written by a
practising veggie.
Section 6 Following-Up
"Even if this is true......"
That represents the perfect response to any troll. The mark of a gullible
lunatic that will almost certainly believe anything you tell her (women
always make the best trollees as they have a logical reasoning capacity
of zilch). A total group embarrassment. Award yourself a Troll Gold Star
every time you get one!
Other good responses include, but are not limited to....
"Although this is on-topic....."
"I disagree...."
"Yes, but....."
"Can you provide a source for this...."
Try not to follow-up to your own troll. The troll itself quickly becomes
forgotten in the chaos and if you just sit back you can avoid being
blamed for causing it. Remember, if you do follow up you are talking
to an idiot. Treat them with the ill respect they deserve.
You should also learn to recognise followups from your fellow trollers.
Sometimes an average troll can be elevated into majestic proportions
when several trollers spontaneously join forces via the medium of the
follow up troll.
Ignore cries of wasted bandwidth! This is pure drivel that will always
be posted by the anti-troll lobby. These jerks fail to understand that
trolls are the best way to drive people off the internet thus making
available multi megabytes for the rest of us to download our porn.
Section 7 The Successful Troll
A good example of troll success is the famous "Oh How I Envy American
Students" troll. This troll was written by an English bricklayer posing
as an american student. He correctly posted it to all the college
newsgroups and then left american students to do all the work
spreading it.
His troll ran for over a year, it is known to have generated in excess
of 3,500 responses (an average of 1 response every 160 minutes for a
whole year) and the greatest coup of all was when an innocent american
student lost not only her internet account but was also expelled from
high school for abuse of the computer systems. Somehow she had managed
to get the blame for causing the troll.
Erik Jan
Very instructive. From my experience in this group I concluded not that
a "troll" is a kind of post and the one who sent it a "troller" and the
one who fell for it a "trollee", but that a troll is a kind of subhuman
monster that disrupts normal discussions and excels in unreasonableness,
impoliteness, and enjoys sexual innuendo and words like "fscking".
Erik Jan
Snit
t6adnRpHFOo...@giganews.com on 1/6/09 3:55 AM:
> Section 1: What Is A Troll?
>
> The WWW gives this as a definition:
>
> troll v.,n. To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable
> responses or flames. Derives from the phrase "trolling for newbies";
> which in turn comes from mainstream "trolling";, a style of fishing in
> which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite.
As I noted recently in my post about why I am an easy target for the trolls,
I "bite" a lot. When someone posts an accusation against me, for example,
it is fairly predictable I will ask for support.
As I also have shown, the trolls rarely if ever even try to support their
claims.... but they try to stretch things out. Look at Wally and his recent
BS. Sure, he is making a complete fool of himself and showing he cannot
understand things a third grader likely would, but he does not care. He
simply wants a response. And I give it to him, even if now it is just
cutting and pasting the material he is turning tail and running from.
He is getting attention. That, apparently, is *all* he cares about.
Look at HPT and his post about my business... wow. He is just *begging* for
attention. All he wants is a "bite".
What is wrong with these people?
--
What do you call people who are afraid of Santa Claus? Claustrophobic.
Homer
> From my experience in this group I concluded not that a "troll" is a
> kind of post and the one who sent it a "troller" and the one who fell
> for it a "trollee", but that a troll is a kind of subhuman monster
> that disrupts normal discussions and excels in unreasonableness,
> impoliteness, and enjoys sexual innuendo and words like "fscking".
Troll is both a noun and a verb. The origin is:
n. A supernatural creature of Scandinavian folklore, variously
portrayed as a friendly or mischievous dwarf or as a giant, that
lives in caves, in the hills, or under bridges.
[Old Norse.]
But subsequently came to be used as a verb to describe the act of
behaving like a troll:
[Middle English trollen, to wander about, from Old French troller, of
Germanic origin.]
troll'er n.
So I personally have come to understand "a troll" to be a miscreant who
wanders around insidiously, looking for (and usually causing) trouble
(i.e. "trolls" v.).
Apparently (and somewhat appropriately) the word also means:
To fish for by trailing a baited line from behind a slowly moving
boat.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Troll
This may account for why Gary M. Stewart, one of Usenet's most notorious
trolls, assumed the pseudonym "flatfish".
AFAIAC the various anti-Linux posters in COLA fall into one of the
following categories:
1 ... Those who have no particular interest in either Linux; Mac OS;
Windows; nor anything else related to computing, but are here only
to cause trouble by being obtusely contradictory, in order to fill
a void in their otherwise shallow life. I'd characterise such
people as children, or at least as having the mentality of
juvenile delinquents. Such people may be any combination of
misguided; stupid; or inherently evil
2 ... Those who are paid (or otherwise compensated) "Technology
Evangelists" for Microsoft (i.e. shills singing from the
"Evangelism is WAR!" hymn-sheet). Given that they must be acutely
aware of the reprehensible nature of who and what they
"evangelise", such people can only be characterised as evil
3 ... Those with a typically right-wing extremist agenda, who despise
the principles of Freedom, and perceive Free Software as a threat
to their extremist ideologies. Such people are profoundly evil
4 ... Archetypal "fanboys", who (like 1. above) are either children, or
adults with a juvenile mentality, but generally bear no real
malice towards others - they have merely been indoctrinated.
Typical examples include Xbox owners and Ubuntu users. Hopefully
such people will eventually grow up to become mature adults, and
come to understand (and more importantly - /care/ about) the
politics behind the object of their obsessions
Anyone causing disruption in COLA, regardless of which one of the above
four groups they belong to, may be accurately described as a troll,
since they are defined by their actions (trolling), but personally I'd
reserve the word "troll" purely for category 1 types, since IMHO a real
troll lacks any ulterior motive, and is only driven by a compulsive
desire to cause trouble, for no particular reason other than his
demented personality compels him to do so. The rest are shills,
corporatists and fanboys, respectively.
In that vein, I think I'd probably label COLA's anti-Linux posters as
follows:
Fanboys: Any of various (mainly) Ubuntu users, who have passed through
COLA at one time or another. I classify them as "anti-Linux"
posters because, although they /use/ one flavour of GNU/Linux,
their doctrine is antithetical to the fundamental principles
upon which GNU/Linux is based. Many such posters can be quite
vicious in their attacks (e.g. one particularly nasty example
called "Ben <beno1990[AT]gmail.com>"). The appearance of actual
/Windows/ fanboys seems to be extremely rare indeed, since
AFAICT Windows doesn't really have any genuine "fans" at all,
only disgruntled users and paid "evangelists". A number of Mac
users could be described as fanboys, especially the notorious
"Oxford".
Corporatists: DFS, Ray Lopez, Alexander Terekhov, and John Bailo.
Terekhov in particular is as close to a pure fascist as
I've ever encountered.
Shills: Erik Funkenbusch, Bill "amicus_curious" Weisgerber, "cc", Otto
"OK" Kaiser, "Msg-ID" Larry Qualig, Jesper Lund Stocholm, Miguel
de Icaza, Jörg Schilling and Mike Cox (both Solaris). Some we
know for a fact are current or ex-employees of (or have
professional ties with) companies which are (or were) anti-Linux
(Microsoft, and previously Sun), such as Qualig; de Icaza; and
Stocholm. Other's are simply presumed to be shills because of
the diligent and comprehensive work they do to defend their
respective companies from any criticism (esp. Funkenbusch).
Trolls: Hadron, Michael "Snit" Glasser, Scott "Shitstick Nudds" Douglas,
Gary "flatfish" Stewart, Jean-Francois "Kadaitcha man" Mezei,
Jeff Relf, Clogwog, and Tim "Stalker" Smith. Most of these
posters are severely intellectually challenged, especially
Hadron, who is without exception the most stupid person I have
ever encountered. Relf seems to have some semblance of
intelligence, but this is rather let down by the fact that he is
demonstrably insane, and Smith only gives the /appearance/ of
cleverness because of his obsessive pedantism, but his obtuse
logic makes his pedant points rather non sequitur, and it's
obvious he only participates in COLA for mischief. Mostly he's
just an incredible bore. Of them all, Kadaitcha man is the only
one who seems gifted with any actual intelligence, but
unfortunately his mind is so full of filth that it's entirely
wasted.
There's some overlap, especially as those who shill for Microsoft are
(by definition) also corporatists (although the reverse is not
necessarily true), since (in the IT sector) Microsoft is the
poster-child for corporatism.
--
K.
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Snit
1/7/09 1:17 AM:
> Trolls: Hadron, Michael "Snit" Glasser, Scott "Shitstick Nudds" Douglas,
> Gary "flatfish" Stewart, Jean-Francois "Kadaitcha man" Mezei,
> Jeff Relf, Clogwog, and Tim "Stalker" Smith. Most of these
> posters are severely intellectually challenged, especially
> Hadron, who is without exception the most stupid person I have
> ever encountered. Relf seems to have some semblance of
> intelligence, but this is rather let down by the fact that he is
> demonstrably insane, and Smith only gives the /appearance/ of
> cleverness because of his obsessive pedantism, but his obtuse
> logic makes his pedant points rather non sequitur, and it's
> obvious he only participates in COLA for mischief. Mostly he's
> just an incredible bore. Of them all, Kadaitcha man is the only
> one who seems gifted with any actual intelligence, but
> unfortunately his mind is so full of filth that it's entirely
> wasted.
You will not, however, provide any support for those accusations.
You are simply trolling for attention.
--
You really have to give credit to Apple for driving innovation.
- Mark Shuttleworth (founded Canonical Ltd. / Ubuntu Linux)
Roy Schestowitz
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____/ Homer on Wednesday 07 January 2009 08:17 : \____
> Shills: Erik Funkenbusch, Bill "amicus_curious" Weisgerber, "cc", Otto
> "OK" Kaiser, "Msg-ID" Larry Qualig, Jesper Lund Stocholm, Miguel
> de Icaza, Jörg Schilling and Mike Cox (both Solaris). Some we
> know for a fact are current or ex-employees of (or have
> professional ties with) companies which are (or were) anti-Linux
> (Microsoft, and previously Sun), such as Qualig; de Icaza; and
> Stocholm. Other's are simply presumed to be shills because of
> the diligent and comprehensive work they do to defend their
> respective companies from any criticism (esp. Funkenbusch).
You forget Greg Cox, who was a Microsoft employee. He's posting here sometimes.
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In article <1eaknw3y...@funkenbusch.com>, erik@despam-
funkenbusch.com says...
> On 17 Dec 2006 20:47:32 -0800, Rex Ballard wrote:
>
> >> They wrote some fairly good apps,
> > Actually most of these apps were purchased from third-rate competitors,
>
> Some were indeed purchased from competitors, and some might even be called
> third rate, though most were probably 2nd rate. Microsoft seldom buys a
> company at the top. But they typically enhance said application a great
> deal in the process. Certainly Word today (or even Word from 10 years ago)
> is far beyond the simple word process they bought in 1983.
>
> > some of whom were simply creating cheap knock-offs of superior products
> > such as Lotus 1-2-3, Corel Draw, Harvard Graphics, and WordPerfect.
>
> Microsoft did not buy Excel, it was written entirely by its own company,
> though Multiplan was a purchase many years ago.
I don't believe either Word or Multiplan were purchased but were
completely developed in-house. If my memory serves, Charles Simoni was
the architect for Word and probably Multiplan although Jeff Harbors may
also deserve some of the credit. In any case, both Word and Multiplan
were in development at Microsoft in 1981 when I became the 8086 assembly
language guy that was responsible for the p-code interpreter that hosted
Word, MultiPlan, and the other products in the MultiTools line.
As for Word For Windows, I know for a fact that it was completely
written from scratch at Microsoft because I was on the version 1.0
development team...
"There are 10 kinds of people in the world:
those that understand binary and those that don't." - Unknown
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>
> Shills: Erik Funkenbusch, Bill "amicus_curious" Weisgerber, "cc", Otto
> "OK" Kaiser, "Msg-ID" Larry Qualig, Jesper Lund Stocholm, Miguel
> de Icaza, Jörg Schilling and Mike Cox (both Solaris). Some we
> know for a fact are current or ex-employees of (or have
> professional ties with) companies which are (or were) anti-Linux
> (Microsoft, and previously Sun), such as Qualig; de Icaza; and
> Stocholm. Other's are simply presumed to be shills because of
> the diligent and comprehensive work they do to defend their
> respective companies from any criticism (esp. Funkenbusch).
Alright! I've moved up from troll to shill, although I've shilled much
more for Linux, and only in passing acknowledge Windows may be a
necessary alternative. I also have the distinction of being the only
"shill" that Homer doesn't have the real name of. For future
reference, my name is Roy Culley.
High Plains Thumper
> Erik Jan spake thusly:
>
>> From my experience in this group I concluded not that a
>> "troll" is a kind of post and the one who sent it a
>> "troller" and the one who fell for it a "trollee", but that
>> a troll is a kind of subhuman monster that disrupts normal
>> discussions and excels in unreasonableness, impoliteness,
>> and enjoys sexual innuendo and words like "fscking".
>
>
> Anyone causing disruption in COLA, regardless of which one of
> the above four groups they belong to, may be accurately
> described as a troll, since they are defined by their actions
> (trolling), but personally I'd reserve the word "troll" purely
> for category 1 types, since IMHO a real troll lacks any
> ulterior motive, and is only driven by a compulsive desire to
> cause trouble, for no particular reason other than his
> demented personality compels him to do so. The rest are
> shills, corporatists and fanboys, respectively.
>
> In that vein, I think I'd probably label COLA's anti-Linux
>
> Trolls: Hadron, Michael "Snit" Glasser, Scott "Shitstick
> Nudds" Douglas, Gary "flatfish" Stewart, Jean-Francois
> "Kadaitcha man" Mezei, Jeff Relf, Clogwog, and Tim "Stalker"
> Smith. Most of these posters are severely intellectually
> challenged, especially Hadron, who is without exception the
There is only one truly effective way to deal with trolls,
particularly the most disruptive ones. I found this among the
RTFM man pages, an indispensable tool for admins:
http://www.bofh.net/man/lart.1m.html
[quote]
NAME
lart - Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool - use a lart to
adjust lusers' attitudes
SYNOPSIS
lart [ -use tool ] [ -bBfFgklp ] <lusername>
DESCRIPTION
lart adjusts the attitudes of those pesky, clueless people
who rely upon their admins for everything from picking their mice
off of the floor to turning on their monitors; namely, the
luser(8). Running lart with the appropriate arguments will cause
the specified luser to run away screaming in agony.
Alternatively, you can make the luser buy you a beer, after
killing all of their processes.
[/quote]
Out of several, there is one particularly purely disruptive
pathological lying intellectual perfessor [sic] type I recently
encountered, who simply defies all intelligencia. That one
individual would seem to be worthy of:
lart -Bgk <lusername> | pyne > smtp://<academia employer>
However, advocates need not stoop to amoral levels of trolls.
The equivalent command:
lart -Bgk <lusername> | pyne > smtp://<Internet ISP>
will appreciably increase bandwidth in COLA without increasing
additional resources (kill filters, etc.)
Individual.net seems to have a weak TOS, but I notice very few
trolls using it. They must have a decent policing policy.
--
HPT
William Poaster
They do. :-)
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of Micro$oft here!
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Snit
gk288g$e1r$1...@news.motzarella.org on 1/7/09 5:47 AM:
...
> Individual.net seems to have a weak TOS, but I notice very few
> trolls using it. They must have a decent policing policy.
Are any of the trolls using it? I do not examine headers generally.
--
The direct use of physical force is so poor a solution to the problem of
limited resources that it is commonly employed only by small children and
great nations. - David Friedman
High Plains Thumper
> Look at HPT and his post about my business... wow. He is just
> *begging* for attention. All he wants is a "bite".
>
> What is wrong with these people?
Don Zeigler wrote:
> Snit wrote:
>
>> the accusations are clearly not true!
>
> And there is Snit's latest lie of the day.
He still can't reply to these comments from 121 posters about
Michael Glasser's Snit Circus of pathological lies, instead
preferring to snip away and call the messenger a liar.
1- Adam Kesher: "Steve, IIRC Sandman's website has a member area
and a login. If you forget your password, you can ask it to
e-mail it to you, and a bot will send an e-mail.
*That* is the e-mail Snit got from Sandman's website, and yes
he's that fucked in the head and starved for attention that he'd
claim it to be an e-mail from Sandman himself. So, don't get
sucked into his little circus.
The e-mail, in this particular instance, did probably originate
from Sandman.net."
2- Alan Baker: "People's perceptions of you are *formed* by
behaviour and not withstanding your occasional on topic posts, I
wish you'd leave too. Please note that despite the amazing
silliness that is Edwin, I have never made the same wish of him."
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/4a7c3ebf3fc10221
3- Andrew J. Brehm: "You are not flamed because you speak the
truth, you are flamed because you are a hideous troll and keep
disrupting the newsgroup."
4- AZ Nomad: "The fact that you routinely change your headers to
weasel out of killfiles proves that you're an asshole."
5- Andy/news/nospam: "Why do you keep these things up, Snit? Why
not just let them go away and show how responsible a member of
CSMA you are? You could show your enemies up by being better than
then, rise above the low level you so obviously dislike.
Anything, just stop...."
6- B.B.: "Does the From: header contain the string "Snit"? If
yes, then troll. Otherwise, maybe. Dunno why I had my KF on you
set to expire, but it's fixed now."
7- bobinnv: "I learned some time ago how much better this group
can be if you kill file Snit. I have never understood why more
people don't do the same.."
8- Bob S: "This has always been pretty much a free-for-all group,
but since Snit showed up, its become almost impossible to have a
decent discussion about anything.
The solution is to NOT REPLY TO SNIT. But for some reason, some
people just can't stop feeding him."
9- [b]unny: "snit makes me sad."
10- buzz off: "Snit is obviously mentally ill..."
11- chrisv (cola): "No, she called him "shit", and rightly so,
for they way he was so ignominiously birthed into a toilet at the
bus depot, and simply refused to die, despite repeated flushes.
It's now far too late to *flush* him, but we can still *plonk*
him..."
12- C Lund: "Snit is not my responsibility. Maybe it's time for
you to learn how to use your kill-filter. I am assuming, of
course, that your Usenet browser has a kill-filter."
13- Code Orange: "Then why post it? What need is there for you to
"win" an argument? They don't like you, you don't like them. Why
must you keep this up? What results are you expecting?"
14- Dawg Tail: "You've already apologized for having already
misread what I had previously written. What makes you think that
you're correctly understanding what I'm writting now. You've got
a history of reading into things what you wanted people to have
said instead of what they really said.
I suggest you get over this limitation of yours. It's making you
look foolish."
Dawg Tail: "PC advocates, Mac advocates, Linux advocates. Almost
all of them are making similar claims about Snit. When you have
so many diverse people who share a common perception where do you
think the problem lies? With Snit? Or almost everyone else? The
answer doesn't require an advanced degree to figure out."
15- Dave Fritzinger: "Snit, please go away. Get a life, meet a
woman, do something, but please, please, please, GO AWAY!!!!"
16- Donald L McDaniel: "Jesus, snit. You're a teacher. I thought
you knew what a metaphor was, and could recognize one when it was
presented to you. I guess I had too much confidence in you."
17- ed: "snit, you continually amaze me with how much of a liar
and loser you are. you may notice a semi-regular pattern with me
where i stop responding to your posts for stretches at a time,
then start up responding as if you were a normal person. i
suppose it's tough for the magnitude of your 'loserdom' to stick,
so it loses some of it's sharpness when i stop responding to you.
you almost always start responding back in a semi normal way, but
inevitably degenerate. it's once again that time. i can only ask
that you pass my condolences to your wife and unborn child for
having to put up with such a dishonest fool as yourself. (well,
if your wife is a loser as well, just pass those condolences to
the rug-rat to be; if not, double condolences to her). "
18- Edwin: "You've got to be out of your mind, Snit. You're the
worst troll this group has ever seen. You're a liar and a forger,
and you've almost destroyed this group single-handedly. For you
to post a list of out of context arguments, and lies, and
forgeries about your enemies labled as a "peace effort" has to be
one of the craziest stunts you've pulled. It's all about your
sick need for attention, your need to be center stage at all
times. You'd publicly eat dog turd if you thought it would make
people look at you."
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/37e4a720619642a0
19- Elijah Baley: "Seriously, Snit, you need psychiatric help. Go
see a doctor."
20- Elizabot v2.0.2: "I see you were unable to respond to the
points in my post and you are back to your repetitious
regurgitation mode. How childishly typical of you, Snit."
21- fibercut: "That is the problem. In the years I have been
coming to CSMA I have seen in the past year a real hatred among
people, besides the typical Mac vs. Windows typical argument. I
feel that it is like being in a room of really young children
trying there best to best the other person. The one common thing
among all of this seems to be you. I hate to be like this, but
facts are facts. You seem to be in the middle of a great
percentage of arguments. CSMA has become less about Macs and more
about "look everybody, I think he lied". Is there no end then all
this picking at each other on such a personal level. CSMA has
always been al little adversarial but you have personally crank
it up to the point that this place is no longer fun.
Congratulations on stopping CSMA and making this place your own
personal circus."
22- George Graves: "Jason. You have started an argument with the
Snit (AKA Michael Glasser), this should not be done. He will
drive you crazy with his twisted logic, his deep-rooted need to
be ALWAYS right at any cost. He will move goalposts, set up
strawmen, and bore you into submission with his endless
pedanticism. The only way to engage him is to hit and run. NEVER
engage him, it's a futile, empty procedure that will only anger
you and feed him. Take my advice and STAY AWAY!"
23- gimme_this_gimme_t...@yahoo.com: "Hitting the vodka tonight
Snit?"
24- Greycloud: "You really shouldn't lie like that. Everyone else
notices that you are not honest and you have no honor."
25- Henry Flam: "Who gives a damn about this shit? Snit, once in
a while, I make the mistake in thinking that that you are
starting to make sense in your posts; I tend to agree with your
politics. Then you post stuff like this and it destroys any
respect that I have for you."
26- Heywood Mogroot: "*plonk*"
27- Jamie Hart (cola): "It seems that since you are unable to
offer support for your statements, you're reduced to personal
attacks on me. Incidentally, anyone reading this post can see
that I have offered no straw men, and have only asked you to
explain how the things you state as facts can be true. I'm really
sorry that you're taking this attitude, the topic is an
interesting one and I thought you might have some insights. I've
snipped the rest, since you dislike long posts and avoid
answering any of the questions I asked by saying everything was
just repeated. "
28- Jason McNorton: "You're one of the many, many paranoid people
on usenet that should be confined most likely. You sit there and
refresh your screen endlessly. You post the same nonsense over
and over. Either you're a super troll, or you're a super mess."
29- JEDIDIAH (cola): "You're simply full of shit."
30- Jeff B.: "Yo, Snit. We're not pals. I think you're a git."
31- Jeff Hoppe: "This is a Macintosh Advocacy newsgroup. Not a
12-step recovery plan. Your medical problems or conditions won't
help me achieve a greater understanding of my Mac. In fact, it
detracts from it and those kinds of discussions have no place in
a newsgroup such as this."
32- Jesus: "Really, Snit. It's annoying. What are you
accomplishing besides being annoying? Is that your goal?"
33- Jim Lee Jr.: "Snit, read the thread's title, is Bush
mentioned in it? You (and Carroll) ought to learn to stay on
topic and not hijack threads."
34- Jim Polaski: "Why is it that nearly every thread you're
involved in seems like it turns into some tit-for-tat, dozens of
responses to OT things and garbage?"
35- Jim Richardson (cola): "And yet again, Snit runs away, rather
than actually provide evidence for his claims. Par for the course
I suppose."
36- Joey Jojo Junior Shabadoo: "and Snithead has even farther to
fall - in a few weeks he'll be out on the street after midnight,
yelling at passersby 'sucky sucky, $2...'"
37- John C. Randolph: "You're nothing but a troll yourself. What
are you bitching about?"
38- JohnOfArc (cola): "I'm not sure "troll" does it justice- more
like a black hole! But hey, if we all promise to never again even
entertain an unkind thought re Apple, will you take it back and
lock it up? Please??"
39- John Q. Public: "I have not been bothered to read Snit's
postings since I figured out who he is. I don't bother to filter
his posts, I just consider the source and skip to the next one
when I see his name."
40- John Slade: "I don't get posts from Snit. I wouldn't be
shocked that he has some kind of disorder. He made up stuff about
being a computer repairman and teacher. He's just plain loony and
best ignored. Let him deal with his disorder by medication. He's
here to do one thing, get attention from people. He says the
crazy stuff just to get a reaction.
You say you like to beat him over the head. Well that's what he's
counting on, he says stuff he knows isn't true in hopes to get a
rise out of people like you. Ignore him, you won't regret it."
John Slade: "Snit, you have a enough problems as it is without
adding drinking booze to the list. How the hell did you manage to
get out of my killfile? Oh well back into the cage you go, PLONK."
41- Josh McKee: "Snit, I assume there was some point to this
posting? Because I certainly cannot find it."
42- K E: "I haven't read this board for awhile but I see that
even though the trolls still roam free at least the worst troll
of the lot is mostly being ignored by readers on this bb. If the
few stragglers that keep replying to him would just stop
responding to Snit at all this place could be worth coming back
to. There's a good chance he'll pack up and take his trolling to
more fertile ground."
43- Kelsey Bjarnason (cola): "Funny how you simply don't bother
reading the posts that rip your entire thesis to bleeding gobbets
of putrid excrescence. Maybe some day you'll learn how to support
your position, instead of sticking your fingers in your ears and
humming, hoping it'll all go away."
44- Ku Karlovsky (cola): "You repeatedly chastise others for ad
hominem attacks while in the same sentence make your own ad
hominem attacks.You make silly claims and then avoid the subject
of your silliness. You're a liar and a hypocrite and you always
have been."
45- Lars Trager: "Yes, you are stupid."
46- Lefty Bigfoot: "Okay, I tried to put up with it for a long
time, but the few times you post something worth reading just
aren't worth it anymore. *plonk*"
47- Liam Slider (cola): "Maybe he's responding to the fact you've
been an annoying little fuckwit lately. You started out with the
pretense of trying to be fair, but lately all there is from you
in COLA is trashtalk about Linux and you acting every bit the troll."
48- Linonut (cola): "Snit is a Tholenoid."
"Indeed. Snit may be the first retraction of my general killfile
amnesty. The volume of cavilling, whining, foot-stomping,
back-tracking, goal-post shifting, and petulance generated by
that effete candy-ass beggars belief".
49- Lloyd Parsons: "Well, I don't know if Oxford is the most
cretinous, I would think that would be reserved for Snit! ;-)"
50- Mark Kent (cola): "The problem with someone like Mr Glasser
is the same as it is with Mr Wong, even if he were to be honest
now, it would be impossible to determine where the honesty starts
and the usual dishonesty ends. In my primary school, one of the
teachers was very keen on proverbs, and I recall her going over
the "cry wolf" story. Mr Glasser could "cry wolf" over and over
now, and I would not come to help him with his sheep, because I
do not know any way of determining if he's ever telling the
truth, or indeed, if he ever has."
51- Mayor of R'lyeh: "The fact is that he's probably pulling it
to this post since its all about him and he managed to make me
think about him today. A friend of mine has a toddler. I went
over to her house and videotaped her kid doing a bunch of cute
toddler stuff then burned a DVD of it for her. While we were
watching the DVD her kid got mad. He got mad because we quit
making him the center of attention and made that kid on the tv
the center of attention. He even ran up to the tv and tried to
block our view of it. That's how Snit lives his whole life."
52- Michelle Ronn: "The real topic here is that one someone
refutes your "facts", you run away and ignore them. Refuting your
"facts" is easily done in this case. I did it, and you ignored it. "
53- Mike: "Nonsense. I never see you "advocate" anything. All I
see you doing is engage in endless semantic arguments with
everyone. You're the TholenBot of CSMA. BTW, that's *not* a
compliment!"
54- Mike Dee: "I will no longer accuse you of lying here. Instead
I can only say that you are a complete and delusional kook that
happens to inhabit CSMA for the time being. That you are unaware
of how deranged you actually behave further reinforces this
notion. Please seek professional help."
55- mmoore321: "Snit is a human car-accident and we are all
rubbernecking. We know it is bad form, but yet strangely curious.
Treat him the same way, look but just keep moving on."
56- Mojo: "Actually, these facts piss everybody off because they
are off-topic, unnecessarily confrontational, extremely boring
and clearly show that you are crying out for attention."
57- Mr. Blonde: "Lastly, I can't help but comment on the fact
that your obsession with Sandman has actually grown since you
claimed to KF him. Killfilling someone generally implies you're
ignoring that person, yet you piggyback onto virtually every
reply to him here and and check his website's validation status
more often than most people check their e-mail. These are not the
actions of a mentally balanced individual."
58- MR_ED_of_Course: "Seriously, spend half a day at any
pre-school or kindergarten and see if the kids there can't teach
you a thing or two about social behavior."
59- Muahman: "Ummm, dude you post 1000 posts a day. 999 of them
are trolls, if anyone here has issues it's not me."
60- Nashton/Nasht0n: "Oh for crying out loud, if I wasn't
convinced that snit is a total loser, and I rarely call people
losers, I certainly am now. Why bother responding to his
stupidities anyway?"
61- New Bee: "Honest and honorable? You? You've either got a wry
sense of humor, or you're completely nuts. Either way you're just
a waste of time, and you've done more than anybody to make this
group a cesspool. Then you revel in wallowing in your own filth."
62- Not Important: "I get this mental image of you and a sibling
as children in the back seat of the family car saying:
Mom, 'snits' touching me ... and you responding much as you do
now ... I'm not touching you, you're touching me! The problem is
that by now you should've grown out of that type of poke and
complain interaction with others. But, of course, you've haven't
learned how to interact with others in a more 'constructive' and
mutually beneficial manner even now."
63- OldCSMAer: "What's he been doing? Am I going to be sorry I
killfiled him?"
64- OldSage: "What drives me nuts is your unrelenting ability and
desire to argue on the head of a pin about the most trivial of
things."
65- Oxford: "If you are using MT-Newswatcher:
Select offending Author, example Snit...
Go to the Filters Menu, Choose "Kill this Author"
Click "OK"
Then Repeat with each annoying Author of your choice.
Then to see your work...
Choose the Filter Menu again,
Then "Refilter Articles"...
Bam! No more boring, pointless bickering about nothing.
Enjoy!!!!!"
66- Patrick Nihill: "I mean, honestly, who would you rather
discuss something with; Dan, or someone like Zara? Or, for that
matter, Snit, for whom the work 'troll' seems so painfully
inadequate?"
67- Pawel Wojciak: "Jesus Christ, snit... <plonk> "
68- PC Guy: "Forget it Snit, you're a waste of time. For someone
who talks about everyone else not being "honest and honorable"
you appear to be the least honest and honorable of anyone here."
69- Peter: "I've never felt the need to use the filters in
Newswatcher but I thought Id try the Kill this Author.. option
with Snit. Ten seconds later and he's gone! Amazing."
70- Peter Bjorn Perlso: "Plonked for 60 days. Now stfu and take
your argument with sandman into the private room."
71- Peter Hayes: "True, but that removes Snit completely, and
someti... err..... occasiona.... errrrr..... once in a blue moon
he has something useful to say."
72- Peter Jensen (cola): "Where has he ever said that they were
not different windowing environments? Message-ID, please.
Experience has told me not to trust you on anything without
backing evidence."
73- Peter Kohlmann (cola): "Snot is a hideous troll. Nobody is as
dishonest as that piece of unadultered garbage. There are csma
posters even more stupid than Snot. Oxford comes to mind. There
are certainly other csma posters who lie nearly as much. But no
others are so intent on trolling in whatever way possible as Snot"
74- Phil Earnhardt: "You're only interested in trying to get
superficial snipes and extrapolate inappropriate conclusions."
75- Rapskat (cola): "For instance, your sig you reference a long
standing war you have going with some person from csma. It's like
you single out persons to target your attentions upon and then
continuously berate them with constant barbs and goads to
perpetuate their acrimonious responses, which in turn you respond
in kind, etc. ad infinitum. Above all things, your affinity for
Macs and your overbearing pompous nature aside, this is what
convinces me that your primary purpose for frequenting this and
other groups is to troll."
76- RichardK: "Just killfile him already."
77- Rick (cola): "Snit, you are a liar. And an ignorant one. You
trash people that are trying their level best to cope with a
horrendous situation. And you do it without the slightest idea of
what is going on."
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/fcad2955ac5cb03b
78- Rick G.: "Just to be plain here, I have no doubt that he is a
troll. I am tolerant of his nature, not blind to it. However, as
a troll, he is ... somewhat clumsy."
79- Robert F.: "Um, perhaps you misunderstand. I don't care if
you quote Mayor McCheese claiming the Earth is a flat plate
perched on the shell of a tortoise, I was merely pointing out
that you run the risk of looking ridiculous when you quote
something patently stupid. If that's your goal, you're on the
right track, and more power to you."
80- Roy Culley (cola): "You appear to be in the latter category.
Starting crossposted threads for the simple purpose of hoping to
generate a flame war. If you truly want to learn more about Linux
and how it can help you and your supposed users why aren't you
requesting help from a more technical Linux newsgroup than an
advocacy group? As the old saying goes, those who can do, those
who can't teach. Your posts seem to confirm that saying IMHO."
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/d521a80051e24d08
81- Sandman: "He is by far the most killfiled person in the
-HISTORY- of csma. I've never seen someone so disliked, almost
hated, in a news group before. He has the ability to turn just
about any person against him in just a few posts. On usenet,
trolls do this daily, but the funny part with Michael is that I
actually think he DOESN'T consider himself be a troll - damn what
-EVERYONE ELSE- is calling him. Obviously they are wrong. Only
Tholen himself can match this behaviour."
82- sav: "You really need to take a rest somewhere nice.
Honestly, even the nutters who hang out down on Brighton seafront
made more sense than this. You been doing drugs or something?"
83- Sean Burke: If you're dumb enough to respond to snit, you're
probably dumb enough to click on a spam attachment that promises
to remove smut from your harddrive."
84- ShutterBugz: "so snit-zel has some kind of problem expressing
anger, i guess. he has to vent his frustrations in other ways.
and he thinks he's making sense: well the syntax is there and he
figures he's pretty smart. indeed, he tells us, he's done the
personality tests and the iq tests and he's okay! aaaaahhhhh, you
see he's soooooooo well adjusted."
85- Steve Carroll: "The only things we are sure about Snit is
that he has:
* a monumental reading comprehension problem.
* nym-shifted numerous times to avoid kill-files.
* built too many straw-men to count... some, the size of small
cities.
* been labeled a disingenuous liar/troll(or worse) by the vast
majority.
* used numerous sock-puppets and admitted to it.
* stolen IDs and admitted to it.
* gotten booted off by ISPs for his behavior.
* twisted more context than all csma posters combined.
* made more unsupported accusations than all csma posters combined.
* virtually no life outside of csma."
86- Steve Mackay: "Just killfile Snit, the dishonest piece of
elephant dung, and all would go away. Sure, I got caught up in
the "Snit Circus", but then the cotton candy began to sour, and
CSMA begun to smell like elephant dung."
87- Steven de Mena: "Sorry, you have now lost all credibility with me
for your rediculous argument regarding this."
88- Steve Travis: "Oh oh... Now look what we've done. Snit has
lost all self respect and has sunk to the point of using words
like 'asses' when referring to others. Oh, how could the morally
superior snit have fallen so low.. Please take a moment out of
your busy schedule to feel embarassed for him. Or perhaps we
should set up a fund to get him more happy glue (and the
appropriate plastic bags)."
89- Stuart Krivis: "You might as well just give up and plonk him
then. A snit is a snit is a snit and always will be."
90- TheLetterK: "That is merely your perception, Shit. You're the
one lacking counter evidence, and your arguments basically amount
to "I'm right, nya nya nya." No matter how many examples someone
points at to demonstrate their claim, you blindly continue to
insist that they provide no evidence, or that the evidence given
is irrelevant. Worse still, you fall back on straw men and
disingenuous quote mangling to portray the argument in your
favor. You are one of the worst trolls that inhabit CSMA, Shit.
*Edwin* is more prone to fits of reason than you are. "
91-Tim Adams: "I'd kill file you but then I'd miss the fun. you
see, you never cease to amaze me at just how stupid you really
are. Why just the other day I had a great laugh when I saw you,
the king of liars (in this NG anyway) calling somebody else a liar."
92- Tim Crowley: "I don't know - I think you might have more
compassion. Snit is sick. He needs help. This is the only way the
poor sick fool can get attention. My fucking God, he's taken to
hanging out with and supporting racist pig fuckers like MuahMuah.
It is true that no-one likes him and those that pretend they do
are just using him or don't know him - but come on- it's not his
fault. He's sick. Have some compassion, eh? All these idiot
trolls, Zara, Stew, Tommy, MuaaaahMuaaah, and Snit - they are all
so alike. I pity each and every one of them"
93- Tim Smith: "No, he didn't, and there is no reasonable way you
could actually believe he lied. You are purely trying to troll here."
94- Timberwoof: "*Plonk!*"
95- Tom Bates: "Do you have to turn any thread you post in into
one of your Circus acts?"
96- Tommy: "In case you did not get it, I think the moral was:
Stop polluting the world with your infantile and obsessive
"writings". You give Mac advocacy a bad name. If that was your
goal you have succeeded! That also goes for all that bullshit on
your website"
97- TravelinMan: "I still can't figure out what's wrong with
Snit. Most people have him kill-filed and the few who don't
mostly restrict their responses to 'why don't you go away, no one
wants you here'. Just what would keep someone in this group with
all of that animosity? Must be some kind of severe mental illness."
98- Wally: "Because by your own admission "honor and honesty" are
nothing more than a "game" to you, as such not only do you wish
to define the rules, but no doubt you will also attempt to alter
or bend the rules when inevitably things do not go to your
liking, for this reason I doubt anyone would be foolish enough to
play your game."
99- William R. Walsh: "Now, if you'll excuse me, and accept my
sincere apologies for this, PLONK! Feel proud about that. You're
the first person to be plonked from my new computer! :-) "
100- Woofbert: "*Plonk*"
101- zara: "Look - I'm not into combing through thousands of
posts, to prove what was said or not said - I leave stuff like
that to people without lives, like Snit. But it is assuredly, in
the record. Ping Snit to do a search - you will flatter him, and
give meaning to his tawdry little life."
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/a1d4fc7120a6a538
102- Znu: "I think your 'I'll go start a new thread to try to
draw more people into the debate I'm currently having with
Steve/Elizabot/etc' tactic is fairly trollish."
103- High Plains Thumper: "Well, for one who is trolling this
group, those were extremely poorly done examples, making problems
that do not exist except an invention of Snit's own mind."
104- Geoff M. Fitton: "The Prescott Computer Guy *still* showing
how stupid he is... What a mar00n".
105- William Poaster: "Good grief. If anyone's having a mental
breakdown it's the Prescott Computer Guy, Michael Snit Glasser.
What a f#cked up mess he is'.
106- Tattoo Vampire: "In other words, in another attempt to
troll, you made yourself look like a fool. Again".
107- Mr. Blonde: "Lastly, I can't help but comment on the fact
that your obsession with Sandman has actually grown since you
claimed to KF him. Killfilling someone generally implies you're
ignoring that person, yet you piggyback onto virtually every
reply to him here and and check his website's validation status
more often than most people check their e-mail. These are not the
actions of a mentally balanced individual".
108- CozmicDebris: "I'm done with your three year old games. The
archives show my answers and your inability to process them. Keep
posting your list and proving that you are an idiot troll. I will
not address it any further- you being too stupid to realize and
accept that is not my problem".
109- WhoMe: "F michael IS a teacher, it's no wonder he's home
more than he's anywhere near a classroom".
110- spike1: "The thought is probably to show everyone here just
how bad a troll snit is".
111- Carlo Coggi: "He must believe he is surrounded by 'trolls'
... in the groups he trolls in, that is. I wondered if the
idiotrollers like snit would reply to this thread. Of course, I
didn't see his posts, only your reply".
112- bobinv: "I learned some time ago how much better this group
can be if you kill file Snit. I have never understood why more
people don't do the same".
113- Zaren Ankleweed: "And with that, Snit goes in the global
killfile. No subject, no author, no nothing. Buh-bye".
114- H: "Your crappy posts are still showing up in seperate
threads, are you doing this on purpose to piss people off? I dont
ever censor people cause that's just retarded but if you dont fix
it I'm gonna have to cause I dont wanna see your
name 40 times in a row. So uh, change your client or something".
115- PeterBP: "Oh will you stfu".
116- S'mee (Keith, rec.motorcycles): "Liar...forger and
worthless. You must be related to our resident racist troll, he
lies as much as you."
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/ab08c00330c8b58d
117- BaJoRi:
Snit: "You are, of course, lying."
BaJoRi: "No, I am not. You know it, and I know it, and everyone
else who has read your idiocy knows it. I took your statement,
showed it to be wrong, then added even more, just to be a dick
and REALLY show you to be a fool. You need to judiciously snip
out pertinent points because you are an intellectually dwarfed
turd-burglar."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.vacation.las-vegas/msg/647944511b74b82f
118- KK: 'Whoa there, ad hominem man. You started off your
sentence with "Ah" like you'd just realized something profound.'
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.howard-stern/msg/6a89029a5b5be5f8
119- -hh: 'Perversion has utterly nothing to do with the
definition of "synonymous". It is, however, a very clear example
of how you attempt to maliciously debase against anyone who
disagrees with you. As such, I consider this to be a purposeful
attempt by you to try to libel me. This is your only warning to
consider rescinding your remark, with the reminder that you, and
you alone are responsible for that accusation, both in the
ethical as well as the full legal meaning of the word "responsible".'
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5496641a3426293a
120- Geezer:
Snit: "Steve Carroll has no sense of morality"
Geezer: "Whined the guy who cannot directly address those who
uncover his lies and deceit;)"
Snit: "and no clue about the law."
Geezer: 'Said the guy who believes his unsupported opinions are
"proof". LOL! (snip more of Snit's unsupported lies)'
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/d0517ced5134934d
121- RonB: "Snit is a crank fixated on one issue, who's thing is
twisting your words so he can win an argument against a straw
man. That's enough to killfile him."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/ce8550d4cc5b1b42
--
HPT
Snit
> Snit wrote:
>
>> Look at HPT and his post about my business... wow. He is just
>> *begging* for attention. All he wants is a "bite".
>>
>> What is wrong with these people?
>
> Don Zeigler wrote:
>> Snit wrote:
>>
>>> the accusations are clearly not true!
>>
>> And there is Snit's latest lie of the day.
>
> He still can't reply to these comments from 121 posters
And you have not replied to every entry in the dictionary!
Man... what are you waiting for!
--
I know how a jam jar feels...
... full of jam!
High Plains Thumper
> High Plains Thumper stated:
>
> ...
>> Individual.net seems to have a weak TOS, but I notice very
>> few trolls using it. They must have a decent policing
>> policy.
>
> Are any of the trolls using it? I do not examine headers
> generally.
From: Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com>
Subject: Re: Winding up the net
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 10:01:04 -0700
Message-ID: <C58A2DE0.E8F4B%use...@gallopinginsanity.com>
X-Trace: individual.net
Wnpv3mkCm739cXiFmXx9cw88xgKNPjkwSb0Alc1m493jbUP+c+
--
HPT
Snit
I know which system *I* use, I was asking about your and your friends.
Nice dodge, though.
--
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.
--Aldous Huxley
High Plains Thumper
> Homer on Wednesday :
>
>> Microsoft did not buy Excel, it was written entirely by its
>> own company, though Multiplan was a purchase many years ago.
>>
>
> I don't believe either Word or Multiplan were purchased but
> were completely developed in-house. If my memory serves,
> Charles Simoni was the architect for Word and probably
> Multiplan although Jeff Harbors may also deserve some of the
> credit. In any case, both Word and Multiplan were in
> development at Microsoft in 1981 when I became the 8086
> assembly language guy that was responsible for the p-code
> interpreter that hosted Word, MultiPlan, and the other
> products in the MultiTools line.
I purchased Multiplan for CP/M-80 and later for CP/M-86 in the
late 80's, from the Xerox Surplus Store, where I purchased an
820-II and 16/8 (820-II with expansion chassis, MFM hard disk and
8086 coprocessor card for CP/M-86 and MS-Dos 2.0).
It seemed to be a decent spreadsheet, although not as powerful as
Lotus. Seemed to be a direct competitor to VisiCalc.
Got my exposure to 8080 and Z80 assembly language, modified the
16/8 bios, manually edited the hard disk partition table,
creating 3 on the 10 MB HD. Then disassembled and modified the
Xerox CP/M-80 hard disk initialisation software to handle a
non-Xerox Miniscribe HD with 2 heads, 720 cylinders (Xerox used
Shugart, 4 heads, 360 cylinders). Back then, software was
"hardwired" to the hardware.
> As for Word For Windows, I know for a fact that it was
> completely written from scratch at Microsoft because I was on
> the version 1.0 development team...
--
HPT
High Plains Thumper
> High Plains Thumper stated:
>> Snit wrote:
>>> High Plains Thumper stated:
>>>
>>> ...
>>>> Individual.net seems to have a weak TOS, but I notice
>>>> very few trolls using it. They must have a decent
>>>> policing policy.
>>>
>>> Are any of the trolls using it? I do not examine headers
>>> generally.
>>
>> From: Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com>
>> Subject: Re: Winding up the net
>> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 10:01:04 -0700
>> Message-ID: <C58A2DE0.E8F4B%use...@gallopinginsanity.com>
>> X-Trace: individual.net
>> Wnpv3mkCm739cXiFmXx9cw88xgKNPjkwSb0Alc1m493jbUP+c+
>
> I know which system *I* use, I was asking about your and your
> friends.
>
> Nice dodge, though.
Like your dodge to these comments from 121 posters about Michael
Glasser's Snit Circus of pathological lies, instead preferring to
snip away and call the messenger a liar?
Snit
> Snit wrote:
>> High Plains Thumper stated:
>>> Snit wrote:
>>>> High Plains Thumper stated:
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>> Individual.net seems to have a weak TOS, but I notice
>>>>> very few trolls using it. They must have a decent
>>>>> policing policy.
>>>>
>>>> Are any of the trolls using it? I do not examine headers
>>>> generally.
>>>
>>> From: Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Winding up the net
>>> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 10:01:04 -0700
>>> Message-ID: <C58A2DE0.E8F4B%use...@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>> X-Trace: individual.net
>>> Wnpv3mkCm739cXiFmXx9cw88xgKNPjkwSb0Alc1m493jbUP+c+
>>
>> I know which system *I* use, I was asking about your and your
>> friends.
>>
>> Nice dodge, though.
>
> Like your dodge to these comments from 121 posters
Hey, you still have not commented about every word in the dictionary! Just
as much relevance, eh!
Come on, you keep obsessing over Steve Carroll's list of scavenged and
fabricated quotes whenever you back yourself into a corner. That is boring.
--
Is Swiss cheese made out of hole milk?
High Plains Thumper
> "High Plains Thumper" wrote:
>> Snit wrote:
>>> High Plains Thumper stated:
>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>> High Plains Thumper stated:
>>>>>
>>>>>> notice very few trolls using it. They must have a
>>>>>> decent policing policy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are any of the trolls using it? I do not examine
>>>>> headers generally.
>>>>
>>>> From: Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: Winding up the net
>>>> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 10:01:04 -0700
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> <C58A2DE0.E8F4B%use...@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>>> X-Trace: individual.net
>>>> Wnpv3mkCm739cXiFmXx9cw88xgKNPjkwSb0Alc1m493jbUP+c+
>>>
>>> I know which system *I* use, I was asking about your and
>>> your friends.
>>>
>>> Nice dodge, though.
>>
>> Michael Glasser's deep snippage]
>
> Hey, you still have not commented about every word in the
> dictionary! Just as much relevance, eh!
>
> Come on, you keep obsessing over Steve Carroll's list of
> scavenged and fabricated quotes whenever you back yourself
> into a corner. That is boring.
There's no fabrication. You keep denying the truth. That is
called "lying".
As I read through these key quotes, I see you pulled the same
lying, dodging crap on these people that you have been pulling on
me. It is amazing how revealing the truth can be, something you
loathe.
Why do you keep dodging comments from these 121 posters about
Michael Glasser's Snit Circus of pathological lies, instead
preferring to snip away and call the messenger a liar? It is
apparent that you cannot stand the truth. Let us look at what
you said and these people said. Yes, I am quoting you!
Following is a condensed list:
What you deny as true:
2- Alan Baker: "People's perceptions of you are *formed* by
behaviour and not withstanding your occasional on topic posts, I
wish you'd leave too. Please note that despite the amazing
silliness that is Edwin, I have never made the same wish of him."
What was truly said:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/4a7c3ebf3fc10221
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net>
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 00:26:31 GMT
Subject: Re: The Myth Of Linux Community Support.
[quote]
[..]Snit [..] wrote:
> "Sandman" [..] wrote [..]
>> [..] Snit [..] wrote:
>>
>>>> I don't care, Michael. Please leave csma.
>>>
>>> Will you do the same? If you will, then I will consider
>>> your request.
>>
>> Only people considered to be the largest troll this group
>> has ever seen and the most killfiled person in the history
>> of csma should leave.
>>
>> That's you.
>
> So you base your request on how you perceive others perception
> of me and not based on my behavior?
>
> Remember, based on your own criteria, you are clearly a troll.
>
> I will not follow your request. I understand that this will
> not please you, but I, really, do not care. If you are going
> to be upset by others not following such silly requests of
> yours, that is, really, your problem - not mine.
>
> Now that you know my position, will you stop trolling the
> groups with this request that you know will not be followed?
People's perceptions of you are *formed* by behaviour and not
withstanding your occasional on topic posts, I wish you'd leave too.
Please note that despite the amazing silliness that is Edwin, I
have never made the same wish of him.
[/quote]
What you deny as true:
18- Edwin: "You've got to be out of your mind, Snit. You're the
worst troll this group has ever seen. You're a liar and a forger,
and you've almost destroyed this group single-handedly. For you
to post a list of out of context arguments, and lies, and
forgeries about your enemies labled as a "peace effort" has to be
one of the craziest stunts you've pulled. It's all about your
sick need for attention, your need to be center stage at all
times. You'd publicly eat dog turd if you thought it would make
people look at you."
What was truly said:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/37e4a720619642a0
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: Edwin <thorn...@juno.com>
Date: 18 May 2007 07:06:18 -0700
Subject: Re: Another attempt to bring peace to CSMA (I would say
OT, but it seems to be the main topic!)
[quote]
[..] Snit [..] wrote:
> The silly debates are once again getting out of hand. I
> notice that much of the debates are of the form:
You've got to be out of your mind, Snit. You're the worst
troll this group has ever seen. You're a liar and a forger,
and you've almost destroyed this group single-handedly.
For you to post a list of out of context arguments, and lies, and
forgeries about your enemies labled as a "peace effort" has to be
one of the craziest stunts you've pulled.
It's all about your sick need for attention, your need to be
center stage at all times. You'd publicly eat dog turd if you
thought it would make people look at you.
[/quote]
What you deny as true:
77- Rick (cola): "Snit, you are a liar. And an ignorant one. You
trash people that are trying their level best to cope with a
horrendous situation. And you do it without the slightest idea of
what is going on."
What was truly said:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/fcad2955ac5cb03b
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: Rick <n...@nomail.com>
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 01:29:17 GMT
Subject: Re: OT: Article: Authorities Favored VIPs over
Superdome零 Desperate
[quote]
[..] Snit wrote:
> "Rick" [..] stated [..]
[..]
> My guess is you will, again, bail and not give a reasoned
> response.
Wrong again, what a surprise.
> I do hope you prove me wrong.
>
> <SNIP CONTENT="Rick's continued ignorant insults and trolling"
> />
You are such a piece of trash. No government official or agency
left anyone to die.
I guess it hurts you to hear the truth.
Snit, you are a liar. And an ignorant one. You trash people that
are trying their level best to cope with a horrendous situation.
And you do it without the slightest idea of what is going on.
[/quote]
What you deny as true:
80- Roy Culley (cola): "You appear to be in the latter category.
Starting crossposted threads for the simple purpose of hoping to
generate a flame war. If you truly want to learn more about Linux
and how it can help you and your supposed users why aren't you
requesting help from a more technical Linux newsgroup than an
advocacy group? As the old saying goes, those who can do, those
who can't teach. Your posts seem to confirm that saying IMHO."
What was truly said:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/d521a80051e24d08
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy, comp.os.linux.advocacy
From: r...@nodomain.none (Roy Culley)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 02:46:17 +0100
Subject: Re: What about CSMA / COLA makes people flame?
[quote]
begin risky.vbs
[..] Snit [..] writes:
> I am sure we all notice that many of posts in the groups are
> flames against one another - I certainly do not hold myself
> above this ... I point out others, um, weaknesses, as well.
>
> I know full well why I like to... but I am curious why you
> feel you do (if you do, as most of the regulars do) or why you
> think others do. I am not interested in seeing people point
> fingers at each other... though that may be unavoidable if
> people give specific examples. This I can understand - I know
> when I make points I use very specific examples - the main
> reason so many of the trolls in CSMA hate me.
COLA has been infested with what we call wintrolls for years.
These are posters whose sole purpose is to incite flame wars. A
nasty development a year or so ago was for some of these
wintrolls to crosspost to other newsgroups in the hope of causing
more disruption.
You appear to be in the latter category. Starting crossposted
threads for the simple purpose of hoping to generate a flame war.
If you truly want to learn more about Linux and how it can help
you and your supposed users why aren't you requesting help from a
more technical Linux newsgroup than an advocacy group?
As the old saying goes, those who can do, those who can't teach.
Your posts seem to confirm that saying IMHO.
[/quote]
What you deny as true:
117- BaJoRi:
Snit: "You are, of course, lying."
BaJoRi: "No, I am not. You know it, and I know it, and everyone
else who has read your idiocy knows it. O took your statement,
showed it to be wrong, then added even more, just to be a dick
and REALLY show you to be a fool. You need to judiciously snip
out pertinent points because you are an intellectually dwarfed
turd-burglar."
What was truly said:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.vacation.las-vegas/msg/647944511b74b82f
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.amps, alt.vacation.las-vegas,
comp.sys.mac.advocacy, alt.fan.howard-stern
From: "BaJoRi" <baronjos...@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:59:13 GMT
Subject: Re: Spread the wealth?
[quote]
"Snit" [..] wrote [..]
> "BaJoRi" [..] stated [..]
>
>>> BaJoRi dodged my comments about Palin by *not* talking
>>> about her at ll, claiming that Obama has no more
>>> experience *and* claiming that I failed to find any
>>> examples of Obama's accomplishments, which was untrue
>>> being that I had never looked.
>>
>> Actually, as you have proven several times by reposting the
>> whole snippet, you are uttering fals, for certain. And other
>> people have recognized it.
>
> You are, of course, lying.
No, I am not. You know it, and I know it, and everyone else who
has read your idiocy knows it. O took your statement, showed it
to be wrong, then added even more, just to be a dick and REALLY
show you to be a fool. You need to judiciously snip out pertinent
points because you are an intellectually dwarfed turd-burglar.
[quote]
What you deny as true:
118- KK: 'Whoa there, ad hominem man. You started off your
sentence with "Ah" like you'd just realized something profound.'
What was truly said:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.howard-stern/msg/6a89029a5b5be5f8
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.amps, alt.guitar, comp.sys.mac.advocacy,
alt.fan.howard-stern
From: KK <_...@furburger.net>
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:12:18 GMT
Subject: Re: Obama 2008
[quote]
[..] Snit wrote:
> "KK" [..] stated [..]
>
> ...
>>>> Taxes aren't the same as a pay cut. *Raising* taxes is
>>>> the same as a pay cut.
>>>>
>>>> I am not for raising taxes.
>>>
>>> Ah, but if raising taxes is the same as a pay cut then
>>> taxes at all are the same as a lower wage.
>>>
>>> Are you for lower wages?
>>
>> It seems that you think you're being clever, but you're
>> really not.
>
> I am being *obvious*, not clever. The fact you think such
> obvious comments are likely to be seen as "clever" that says a
> lot about you.
Whoa there, ad hominem man. You started off your sentence with
"Ah" like you'd just realized something profound.
[/quote]
What you deny as true:
119- -hh: 'Perversion has utterly nothing to do with the
definition of "synonymous". It is, however, a very clear example
of how you attempt to maliciously debase against anyone who
disagrees with you. As such, I consider this to be a purposeful
attempt by you to try to libel me. This is your only warning to
consider rescinding your remark, with the reminder that you, and
you alone are responsible for that accusation, both in the
ethical as well as the full legal meaning of the word "responsible".'
What was truly stated:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/5496641a3426293a
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: -hh <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:15:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Definition of insanity
[quote]
Snit [..] wrote:
> "-hh" [..] stated:
>
>> Incest is an identified subset of sexual activity, so it
>> requires sex (plus additional constraints).
> Correct, hence why the two concepts are not synonymous,
> identical, the same, equals, things that equate, etc. etc.
> etc.
I disagree with the interpretation in the above that the
definition of synonymous means identical.
>> Do yourself a favor and Google "define: incest" in English.
>> Of the first seventeen definitions provided, fully document
>> the ones that don't specifically cite or allude to sexual
>> activity.
>
> None. The dictionaries and I agree. OK.
So noted. However, since one of those 17 stated that 'Incest'
was the name of a 4 piece Armenian girl band from 2000, this also
proves that you can be a sloppy reader and miss nuances and details.
>> Finally, do refrain from trying to apply mathematical
>> principles of reciprocity to the English language: it
>> simply does not work (example: average --> measures of
>> central tendency --> median, but the reverse doesn't track).
>>
>
> When you are talking about two things being "identical" or
> "synonymous" it *is* a reciprocal relationship; this is
> *logic*, not math.
Wrong again: this is about the interpretation of the English
language, which contains discontinuities such as the one already
provided. The discontinuity here is over interpretation of the
word "synonymous".
Go read this again:
<http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/synonym>
Your interpretation is that it must be nothing less than total
symmetrical equality, despite the fact that multiple formal
sources do not set the requirement this strict. But note that
this textbook definition specifically avoids stating that
synonymous is equality or identity, but chooses to use other
words: "...or nearly the same...", "...closely associated...".
This is a black and white example of a word whose definition is
purposefully grey.
> Do you agree with these claims from Wally and Adams? I asked
> you that before and you have not answered.
I specifically avoided taking a position because I did not want
that present as a possible influence. Nevertheless, in this post
you stated (further above):
> Every non-perverted adult English speaker knows this...
Perversion has utterly nothing to do with the definition of
"synonymous".
It is, however, a very clear example of how you attempt to
maliciously debase against anyone who disagrees with you. As
such, I consider this to be a purposeful attempt by you to try to
libel me. This is your only warning to consider rescinding your
remark, with the reminder that you, and you alone are responsible
for that accusation, both in the ethical as well as the full
legal meaning of the word "responsible".
[/quote]
--
HPT
Hadron
Erm, no its not. It's called being in denial. So that, by definition,
makes YOU a liar. But we all knew that eh Wendy Toilet water?
Telling lies is lying. Like you are doing where you say he is denying
the truth. Since he has denied no "truth" ("truth" is not your wild claims
with no proof) then he is not even in denial, never mind telling lies.
Poor, poor High Plains Hypocrite. No wonder you hang out in "reeky" or
whatever those sad little men call their scooter/putt-putt group.
Peter Köhlmann
Well, Snot Michael Glasser *is* lying. He is not just "in denial".
He claims that those posts of the list are "fabrications". That is
absolutely a lie. All of those posts are from different people, and none
of them a fabricated.
Keep on defending the worst troll which ever hounded CSMA and COLA, but
that just makes you someone defending a liar.
And it does not change the facts in the slightest
--
Microsoft's Guide To System Design:
If it starts working, we'll fix it. Pronto.
Snit
49660b64$0$31328$9b4e...@newsspool4.arcor-online.net on 1/8/09 7:19 AM:
You sure beg for my attention a lot.
--
Projects should really look to the whole Linux desktop and see how they can
appeal to both sides.
Snit
>>> Like your dodge to these comments from 121 posters [notice
>>> Michael Glasser's deep snippage]
>>
>> Hey, you still have not commented about every word in the
>> dictionary! Just as much relevance, eh!
>>
>> Come on, you keep obsessing over Steve Carroll's list of
>> scavenged and fabricated quotes whenever you back yourself
>> into a corner. That is boring.
>
> There's no fabrication. You keep denying the truth.
Some are real quotes. Some are fabrications. *None* of the quotes are from
me. Not one. Not a single quote showing *me* doing as you say.
You failed to find a single example of my doing as you say.
Hence you are incompetent of a liar. Who cares which.
--
Satan lives for my sins... now *that* is dedication!
Snit
gk50vn$ba2$2...@hadronquark.motzarella.org on 1/8/09 7:01 AM:
...
>>> Hey, you still have not commented about every word in the
>>> dictionary! Just as much relevance, eh!
>>>
>>> Come on, you keep obsessing over Steve Carroll's list of
>>> scavenged and fabricated quotes whenever you back yourself
>>> into a corner. That is boring.
>>
>> There's no fabrication. You keep denying the truth. That is
>> called "lying".
>
> Erm, no its not. It's called being in denial. So that, by definition,
> makes YOU a liar. But we all knew that eh Wendy Toilet water?
Steve Carroll has been scavenging and fabricating quotes since 2004... these
quotes are, in theory, *about* me but not *from* me.
He has completely failed to find quotes *from* me showing me doing as he
says.
And yet, his quotes are of the same type that Carroll has scavenged... so
his quotes would be considered "evidence" against me, even though they show
*no* evidence of anything about *me*. In other words: the quotes are
irrelevant. They are a collection from a hate-filled liar known as Steve
Carroll who wants very, very badly to find dirt on my but, since 2004, has
failed. Utterly failed.
To be clear: sure, he has caught me in some mistakes and some typos... but
he cannot find any examples of me lying or acting like he does.
> Telling lies is lying. Like you are doing where you say he is denying
> the truth. Since he has denied no "truth" ("truth" is not your wild claims
> with no proof) then he is not even in denial, never mind telling lies.
>
> Poor, poor High Plains Hypocrite. No wonder you hang out in "reeky" or
> whatever those sad little men call their scooter/putt-putt group.
--
But if you are somebody who is not too concerned about price, who is not too
concerned about freedom, I don't think we can say the Linux desktop offers
the very best experience.
High Plains Thumper
> Hadron wrote:
>>> Snit wrote:
>>>
>>>> Come on, you keep obsessing over Steve Carroll's list of
>>>> scavenged and fabricated quotes whenever you back
>>>> yourself into a corner. That is boring.
>>>
>>> There's no fabrication. You keep denying the truth. That
>>> is called "lying".
>>
>> Erm, no its not. It's called being in denial. So that, by
>> definition, makes YOU a liar. But we all knew that eh Wendy
>> Toilet water?
http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2007/01/hadron-quark-troll.html
[quote]
Name: Hadron Quark (aka: Hadron, Damian O'Leary, Hans Schneider)
Traits:
* Homophobe (another closet gay wintroll?)
* Often changes previous posters text in followups [...]
* Microsoft apologist
* Habitual liar
* [...]
* Troll puppet
* [...]
* Exhibits serious reading comprehension difficulties
* Quark is too stupid to understand when the point above is
explained to him over and over again
* [...]
* Recent nyms: Ubuntu King, Steve Townsend
[/quote]
>> Telling lies is lying. Like you are doing where you say he
>> is denying the truth. Since he has denied no "truth"
>> ("truth" is not your wild claims with no proof) then he is
>> not even in denial, never mind telling lies.
Problem is you do not recognise truth when it is staring you
blank in the face.
>> Poor, poor High Plains Hypocrite. No wonder you hang out in
>> "reeky" or whatever those sad little men call their
>> scooter/putt-putt group.
Excellent advocacy, eh Hadron? Now not just ad hominem me, you
extend it to an entire Usenet community.
> Well, Snot Michael Glasser *is* lying. He is not just "in
> denial".
>
> He claims that those posts of the list are "fabrications".
> That is absolutely a lie. All of those posts are from
> different people, and none of them a fabricated.
>
> Keep on defending the worst troll which ever hounded CSMA and
> COLA, but that just makes you someone defending a liar. And it
> does not change the facts in the slightest
This thread confirms that both are liars. It is plain and simple
for all to see. It is similar to a toddler who keeps denying
that his nappy needs changing, although all can smell it.
Unfortunately, they can't see the need for change, thus leaving
their stench in this newsgroup.
--
HPT
Snit
gk684s$a2i$1...@news.albasani.net on 1/8/09 6:09 PM:
...
>> Well, Snot Michael Glasser *is* lying. He is not just "in
>> denial".
>>
>> He claims that those posts of the list are "fabrications".
>> That is absolutely a lie. All of those posts are from
>> different people, and none of them a fabricated.
>>
>> Keep on defending the worst troll which ever hounded CSMA and
>> COLA, but that just makes you someone defending a liar. And it
>> does not change the facts in the slightest
>
> This thread confirms that both are liars. It is plain and simple
> for all to see. It is similar to a toddler who keeps denying
> that his nappy needs changing, although all can smell it.
> Unfortunately, they can't see the need for change, thus leaving
> their stench in this newsgroup.
Funny how I am, so you say, such a liar but you and *all* of your little
online buddies cannot find a single example. The guy you most turn to for
your "evidence" dedicated *years* of his life trying to find a lie by me.
And he failed. So did Peter Köhlmann. Why are all of you such pathetic
failures? Why is it none of you can find what you say is so common?
Face it: I have even gotten to the point of taunting and mocking your
failures. You would each give up your left arm to catch me in a lie...
heck, Steve Carroll jumped in to biggy back on someone else's lie and he
repeated *thousands* of times. *THOUSANDS*.
And he is the one who you turn to in order to try to get dirt on me. He is
the best example of someone who is honest and honorable you can find. LOL!
Utter BS.
High Plains Thumper
> "High Plains Thumper" stated:
>>
>>> Well, Snot Michael Glasser *is* lying. He is not just "in
>>> denial".
>>>
>>> He claims that those posts of the list are "fabrications".
>>> That is absolutely a lie. All of those posts are from
>>> different people, and none of them a fabricated.
>>>
>>> Keep on defending the worst troll which ever hounded CSMA
>>> and COLA, but that just makes you someone defending a
>>> liar. And it does not change the facts in the slightest
>>
>> This thread confirms that both are liars. It is plain and
>> simple for all to see. It is similar to a toddler who keeps
>> denying that his nappy needs changing, although all can
>> smell it. Unfortunately, they can't see the need for change,
>> thus leaving their stench in this newsgroup.
>
> Funny how I am, so you say, such a liar but you and *all* of
> your little online buddies cannot find a single example.
Now, not only does Mr. Michael Glasser ad hominem me, but now
attacks the posting communities of c.o.l.advocacy and c.s.m.advocacy.
> The guy you most turn to for your "evidence" dedicated *years*
> of his life trying to find a lie by me. And he failed.
There is no failure except on the part of Mr. Michael Glasser,
who continues his attack on Mr. Steve Carroll and the list of
100+ quoters maintained by CSMA Moderator and continued by others.
> So did Peter Köhlmann.
He stated the truth, which is so plain for all to see except for
Mr. Michael Glasser.
> Why are all of you such pathetic failures? Why is it none of
> you can find what you say is so common?
Mr. Glasser's ad hominem attack continues, calling all who
exposed his lies as pathetic failures.
> Face it: I have even gotten to the point of taunting and
> mocking your failures.
Rather, it is Mr. Michael Glasser that has failed in his attempts
to appropriately rebut, discuss my points and the points of Mr.
Carroll and others.
> You would each give up your left arm to catch me in a lie...
> heck, Steve Carroll jumped in to biggy back on someone else's
> lie and he repeated *thousands* of times. *THOUSANDS*.
Now, the lie increasing exaggerates.
> And he is the one who you turn to in order to try to get dirt
> on me. He is the best example of someone who is honest and
> honorable you can find. LOL!
>
> Utter BS.
Earlier reply in this thread, compiled listing of 121 quoters
regarding complaints of Mr. Michael Glasser (Snit)'s circus of
pathological lies:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/bb7940fe013df06b
Earlier reply in this thread, condensed listing with Mr.
Glasser's statements and direct replies from the compiled listing
of 121 quoters regarding complaints of Mr. Michael Glasser
(Snit)'s circus of pathological lies:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/12c2db74f92e5c1a
The above ad hominem attacks and lies are examples of:
http://www.healthmad.com/Mental-Health/How-to-Spot-a-Pathological-Liar.171119
[quote] How to Spot a Pathological Liar
* They change their story all the time
* They will exaggerate and lie about everything, the
smallest and easiest things to tell the truth about and the
big serious things
* What ever you do, they can do it better.
* They often don't value the truth, and can often live in
their own type of reality.
* They will act defensively when questioned or challenged,
they see their lies as not hurting anyone
* They lie for sympathy or to seem better
* They usually never own up to the lies
* They contradict what they say, they lose track of the many
lies told
* They lie because they are insecure [/quote]
Yup, the Snit Circus of pathological lies continues ....
--
HPT
William Poaster
Naturally. The Prescott Computer Guy can't *handle* the truth.
>> Why are all of you such pathetic failures? Why is it none of you can
>> find what you say is so common?
>
> Mr. Glasser's ad hominem attack continues, calling all who exposed his
> lies as pathetic failures.
He's the failure.
Michael Snit Glasser does *nothing* but troll newsgroups, whining &
moaning. People post proof, but he snips it, & carries on whining &
moaning.
No wonder many have him binned in any group he trolls.
Snit
Simple fact: despite all my mocking of your failure, you have yet to find a
single quote of me actually lying. Not one.
So sad. For you. :)
>> Face it: I have even gotten to the point of taunting and
>> mocking your failures.
>
> Rather, it is Mr. Michael Glasser that has failed in his attempts
> to appropriately rebut, discuss my points and the points of Mr.
> Carroll and others.
You have yet to quote me doing any wrong... hence nothing to rebut. Not a
thing. Here, prove me wrong. Quote my "lies":
Damn! You failed again! 100% predictable.
>> You would each give up your left arm to catch me in a lie...
>> heck, Steve Carroll jumped in to biggy back on someone else's
>> lie and he repeated *thousands* of times. *THOUSANDS*.
>
> Now, the lie increasing exaggerates.
Nothing exaggerated about it. Steve Carroll told the same lie *thousands*
of times.
Wow... you must be completely incompetent to not be able to find quotes from
me to support your claims.
Why do you brag about your incompetence?
--
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing. - Unknown
High Plains Thumper
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>> Snit wrote:
>>
>>> So did Peter Köhlmann.
>>
>> He stated the truth, which is so plain for all to see except
>> for Mr. Michael Glasser.
>
> Naturally. The Prescott Computer Guy can't *handle* the truth.
Yes, it certainly appears that way. He had the opportunity to
cease, most reasonable persons would have.
No matter what one says, what evidence is presented, he snips it
all, accuses the poster of not providing evidence and then starts
into his nasty ad hominem attacks on the individual. Really sad.
I am to the point of kill binning him for the very reasons you
mention. He provides no useful posting content. It is all about
he and no one else.
Yup, the Michael Glasser/Snit Circus of pathological lies
continues ....
--
HPT
Snit
>> Michael Snit Glasser does *nothing* but troll newsgroups,
>> whining & moaning. People post proof, but he snips it, &
>> carries on whining & moaning. No wonder many have him binned
>> in any group he trolls.
>
> No matter what one says, what evidence is presented, he snips it
> all, accuses the poster of not providing evidence and then starts
> into his nasty ad hominem attacks on the individual. Really sad.
>
> I am to the point of kill binning him for the very reasons you
> mention. He provides no useful posting content. It is all about
> he and no one else.
>
> Yup, the Michael Glasser/Snit Circus of pathological lies
> continues ....
So where is this "proof"? Come on... out with it! Show it.
Wait.
You cannot find a single quote from me where I have been dishonest.
Which proves you are a liar.
--
BU__SH__
Steve Carroll
> "High Plains Thumper" <h...@invalid.invalid> stated in post
>
> >> Michael Snit Glasser does *nothing* but troll newsgroups,
> >> whining & moaning. People post proof, but he snips it, &
> >> carries on whining & moaning. No wonder many have him binned
> >> in any group he trolls.
>
> > No matter what one says, what evidence is presented, he snips it
> > all, accuses the poster of not providing evidence and then starts
> > into his nasty ad hominem attacks on the individual. Really sad.
>
> > I am to the point of kill binning him for the very reasons you
> > mention. He provides no useful posting content. It is all about
> > he and no one else.
>
> > Yup, the Michael Glasser/Snit Circus of pathological lies
> > continues ....
>
> So where is this "proof"? Come on... out with it! Show it.
>
> Wait.
>
> You cannot find a single quote from me where I have been dishonest.
"I do not focus on personalities over content." - Snit
LOL!