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Roy Schestowitz  
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From: Roy Schestowitz <newsgro...@schestowitz.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 01:11:04 -0800 (PST)
Local: Fri, Jan 2 2009 4:11 am
Subject: Gary M. Stewart (aka “Flatfish”) About Microsoft AstroTurfing: “It’s made me A LOT of money….”
[copied from my blog post]

“You’re right. Some of the evangelism practices that I taught and
executed at Microsoft in the 1990’s were unethical. I didn’t think so
at the time — I thought that they were just hyper-competitive — but I
agree now.”

        –James Plamondon, former Microsoft ’shills chief’

LAST WEEK we showed solid proof that Microsoft was paying people for
what’s known as “AstroTurfing”. It’s part of the company’s strategy
and policy — always has been. The men at the very top — those who are
responsible for this — are Marshall Goldberg and James Plamondon.

Some people remember “Steve Barkto”, who was exposed by a newspaper
for being a Microsoft agent [1, 2, 3, 4]. Gary M. Stewart may be
another such agent, who has posted under literally hundreds of names
in mediums that include USENET, Digg, Slashdot, even Netscape/
Propeller, where he libeled, embarrassed, threatened, gave fake
testimonies, stole identities and — above all — viciously attacked
everything and everyone that competes with Microsoft. This has gone on
for over a decade, and that’s just one person (there are more).

Among the names that he posted under: Moshe Goldfarb, Sandeep Kumar,
Abbie Diaz, achmed.jones, Aftab Singh, Allen Cusimano, Allie Perkins,
Allison Juergans, allison_hunt1969, Alicia Hunt, Ana Thema,
andyschipowitz, Anna Banger, anonymous, arkady.duntov, Archie, Archie
Moss Bunker, Archie Watermann, Attila, Baba Booey, Babcock Johnson,
babcock.latreen, Babu Singh, ball.cock.the.plumber, banjo.boy69, Bill
Thomson, Billy, bill.gates.loves.me, BingoBongo, bison, Bjarne Jensen,
bjornstad8800, BklynBoy, bones4jones, bonobo magilla, Boyce Mabri,
BSEE, Bunsen Burner, Buster, c.baumstumpff, CBFalconer, Charles
LeGrand, Charlie, Choppers McGee, Chris Thomas, Christine Abernathy,
Claire Lynn, Clippy, Clock King, collie4roy, Collie Entragion, Colon
Singh, common cold, compton.plaines_kid, Connie Hines, Corrie,
corry.lebeu, Corrie Titlaand, Cory Dyvik, Curtis Wilson, cymon.says,
Damian O’Leary, Dana Bush, Danny Kwong, dbx_boy, Deadpenguin, Debbie,Â
detective48, Devon Dawson, dismoqualifetch, Donn Carlsbad,
donna.bunting_tv, dont.pullout, doris.gets.her.oates, Doug Richardson,
Dragon.Boy, Dr.Long John Jones, dy.sector, echo.valley_26809, Elliot
Zimmermann, Elwin Winters, Emmanuel Arias, Fawn Lebowitz, flatfish+++,
foamy, frank boson, Franz Klammer, Fred Simmons, gabriele howorth,
Gary Stewart, GayClod, George Cotton, George Littlefield, Gilbert,
Gilbert Goiter, Gilbert Hochaim, gilligan, goldfarb44, gooseborg,
Greg Finnigan, Greg Laplante, Hans Kimm, Hans Tomlinson, Harry Hilton,
Harvey Fogel, Heather, Heather69, Heather Trax, Heddy Seafield, Heidi
van Wong, helmut.ginter, hepcat, high_pain_humper, Hugh Himless,
hymen.the.jew, llanalott, Ishmeal Hafizi, itchy balls, Ivan Mctavish,
IvanaB, Jason, jeff.smiley, Jeff Szarka, jjwassermann, Joe Josephson,
John, John King, John Shelton, John Smith, johnnyscotrun,
jolt.n.pizza, Jorge Jorgensen, jorge_shillingford, Jose Lopez,
juke_joint, kaptain kaput, Karel Olish, karen.bullfinch, Karen Hill,
Karla Snodgress, kathy_krantz, Kaylie Solomon, Kendra, Kenneth Downs,
Kenny Dugan, Kent Dorfman, Ken Johnson, Kim Coinop, Kinglen Wang,
Kristen, kumba killington, Kurt Janker, Kyle Cadet, Â lafferty6, L
Didio, Laura Shillingford, Le Farter, Le Yammy, Leaking Onion, Leo
Diaz, Les Cramer, Les Turner, Les Walton, Leslie Bassman, Lilly,
Lindy, linux.curious, Linux Exposer, linux.freak.detector, Lisa
Shavas, Lisa Cottmann, Lois Hunt, Long, long_tong_ling, Â
luisortizhome, Lukumi Babalu Aye, Luna Lane, Major Mynor, Manny,
mark.kent.is.owned, Mario Fermin, McSwain, mista twista,Mogumbo,
Moses, Mooshoo Bong Singh, mr.macfeelme, Â mycarisfast,
narrows_whitefish, nate_mcspook, Navid Shakibapour, oh.bama.da.rack,
okto_pussy, opensource.sucks, organ.creep, OSS KDE User, Paddy
McCrockett, Paul Wannamaker, Paris Marriot, Patricia, Patrick Landrum,
Patty LeGrange, patty pippins, Patty Poppins, percy samson, Peter
Gluckman, Peter Kohlmann, peter.traphagen, Phil, Phillip Cornwall,
phoung, phoung quoak, pickle_pete, Piss Clam, Polly Ester, Poopy Pants
McGee, pus.boy99, pyles69, Quimby, Quinton Magee, Quizno Backer, Ray
Schitzmepantz, Reporter, Rich, Richard P. Johnson, Richie, Richie
O’Toole, Richie Spano, right.wanger, Robert Strunk, rodolfo.garcia44,
rothstein_ivan, Roy_Pestowitz, Roy.Schakemetitz, Roy.Schavedmenutz,
Roy.Schavesmewankz, roy.shysterwitz, Roy.Schitzowitz, roys.testicles,
roy.the.spam.king, RP Modell, ryebra, Sally Vadi, Sammy, Sammy Whalen,
Saul Goldblatt, schavemetitz, Schestertitz, schestowizzle,
schestowitz, schitzmepantz, schisterwitz, Schlomo Smykowski, Sharon
Cackle, Sharon Hubbasland, Sean, Sean Fitzhenry, Sean Macpherson,
Sewer Rat, sewer_clown, Shelly K., Sherlock Holmes, Schlomo
Rabinowitz, Simon, Simon Lewis, simply.lisa, Singer, sista
sledgehammer, slacker.mcspritze, Spammy_Davis, spanny_davis, Stefan
Karstensen, Stephan Simonsen, Stephanie, Stephanie Mannerz, Stephen,
Stephen Olsen, Stephen Townshend, stomach.pump, SuckyB, Sue, sue
quinterra, sully1999, SunnyB, Susan, Susan Bladder, Susan Lapinski,
Susan Wong, Suzi Wong, suzie.linux, Suzie Wong, Swampee, swing.cock,
sylvano12tegriorgriach, Ted Bennington, Terri Sorensen, Terry Porter,
The Beaver, Thorsten, Thorsten Thigpen, Timmy Luncford , Toby Rastus
Roosovelt III, toe.mein, Tomas Bicsak, tomas.bozak, Tomas Dunton,
Tomas Lucatorto, Tori, Tori Wassermann, Torre Stanslaand, Trace
Dennison, Tracee, Traci, traci.alicock, traci.manicotti, traci.pusey,
Traci Spritzendrainer, trailerpark, Trina Swallows, Trolly, Trudi
Simpkins, Tryxie Lustern, Â udayshankar29, Uday Shankar, victimizedb,
victimizedbyms, Vince Fontain, Vladimir Yepifano, Walter Bubniak, Wang
Mycock, Wasser, Waterskidoo, wendy, Wendy Duzz, Wendy Toiletwater,
Whizzer, Wilbur J, willy watkins jr, Willy Wong, wiltons_pypes, Winnie
Septos, wizard.shot, wm_walsh, Wobbles, wylbur.horseman, Yanick
Schmuley and zyklon_C.

That’s just a sample, a fraction of the names that he has used (about
200, among many more). Gary was mass-mailing my colleagues and bosses.
He did the same to other people whom he tried to get in trouble, or
get fired. That’s because they advocated GNU/Linux. Gary also posted
inflammatory and libelous stuff, sometimes ‘on behalf’ (forging) of
posters whom he was discrediting. The severity of this is very high.
The allegations, once tied to Microsoft, would have enormous
consequences because the number of victims of high and the damages
high too.

The identity of Gary was exposed several years ago back when one of
his victims, “mjcr”, found out his identity and posted:

####################################
###### Begin Original Message ######
####################################

He mainly focuses on /comp.os.linux.advocacy/ but he regularly (cross-)
posts
to other groups, & to non-computer related groups.

Gary Stewart on c-24-60-155-178.hsd1.ma.comcast.net

This was investigated & tied this very same address to the "linux-sux
troll.
This address is a cable user in Mass.
Apparently Gary Stewart IS the linux-sux troll as well as being the
flatfish
troll.

He lives at one of these addresses:

93 Thayer St, Millville, MA

30 Chickatawbut St, Dorchester, MA

229 N Brookfield Rd, Barre, MA

[...]

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That was years ago, so it’s possible that the address/es have changed.
As for the name, this was confirmed last year, again. He accidentally
had his Windows username, “Garys” (as in C:\Documents and Settings
\Garys), displayed to the public. It’s a case of sloppiness. He posted
under the name “Polly Ester” (like polyester) in MSG-ID 46fd58dd
$0$26405$88260...@free.teranews.com

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From: "Ms. Polly Ester" &ltpes...@gmail.net>
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
References:
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Subject: Re: Linux users and COLA posters blatantly break the law
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:32:21 -0400
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“Jim Richardson”  wrote in message

news:ii00t4-98l.ln1@dragon.myth…

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> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:13:36 -0400,
> Ms. Polly Ester &ltpes…@gmail.net> wrote:
>> Here we see that two of the major scumbags on COLA are sharing one
>> internet connection between them. Yet the terms-of-service (TOS)
>> forbids this sort of thing.
>> http://www.demon.net/helpdesk/producthelp/aup/thusfup/
>> Why is it that both Mark Kent and Roy Schestowitz are posting from
>> the same internet connection? Doesn’t the lowly community college
>> that Roy goes to have internet access yet? If so, why isn’t he
>> using that instead of breaking the law?
>>http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/256384be674…
>>http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/ebbd4b4b2ba…
> That’s because they are both posting from demon.co.uk you pillock.

No. It’s because they are both posting from the same machine at
ellandroad.co.uk

The IP address for the news server (news.demon.co.uk) is:

C:Documents and SettingsGarys>tracert news.demon.co.uk

Tracing route to news.news.demon.net [158.152.254.254]

> Honestly, some of the trolls we get around here are really dumb.

The lintards are even dumber.

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Discussion subject changed to "Gary M. Stewart (aka "Flatfish") About Microsoft AstroTurfing: "It's made me A LOT of money.."" by DFS
DFS  
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From: "DFS" <nospam@dfs_.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:46:01 -0500
Local: Fri, Jan 2 2009 9:46 am
Subject: Re: Gary M. Stewart (aka "Flatfish") About Microsoft AstroTurfing: "It's made me A LOT of money.."

Roy Schestowitz wrote:
> [copied from my blog post]

<snip>

> "It's made me A LOT of money," he says. Well, this is just the
> beginning of what could soon develop. Does he, like James Plamondon,
> spill the beans on Microsoft?

uh oh... Spamowitz is doing some of his "investigative journalism":

* reposting 10 year old articles
* imagining nefarious motives around every corner
* using his blog as "evidence"

Luser.


 
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From: "DFS" <nospam@dfs_.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:35:23 -0500
Local: Fri, Jan 2 2009 3:35 pm
Subject: Re: Gary M. Stewart (aka "Flatfish") About Microsoft AstroTurfing: "It's made me A LOT of money.."

LMAO!

They get their panties in a wad when they think they can prove the existence
of Microsoft "agents".

What nutjobs.


 
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From: "DFS" <nospam@dfs_.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:06:16 -0500
Local: Fri, Jan 2 2009 4:06 pm
Subject: Re: Gary M. Stewart (aka "Flatfish") About Microsoft AstroTurfing: "It's made me A LOT of money.."

Gary M. Stewart wrote:
> According to Schestowitz "people in high places are emailing him about
> this".

High places?  Must be a pimply-faced kid on the 6th floor of his dorm.

> Hahahhahhaha!

Hilarious!

Our very own Moshe: a paid Microsoft subversive!


 
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 More options Jan 2 2009, 4:05 pm
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From: Hadron <hadronqu...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:05:24 +0100
Local: Fri, Jan 2 2009 4:05 pm
Subject: Re: Gary M. Stewart (aka "Flatfish") About Microsoft AstroTurfing: "It's made me A LOT of money.."
"Gary M. Stewart" <gmstewart1...@gmail.com> writes:

What about him giving "World Leaders" the green light the other day?

Hilarious. And like all the funniest things - it's true that he says
these things!

Still, the funniest for me is Arsestrom claiming its OK to open a
gmail account in someone else name and use that for immoral and illegal
purposes since its not "really stealing". Can he sink any further?

> I have to admit, setting that fool Schestowitz up like this wasn't my idea
> but it worked out even better than I had ever imagined!

> I guess I just didn't realize he could be so gullible.
> I was wrong on that one, big time!

> Roy Schestowitz = The Peter Salinger of COLA !

The problem with him is that he really does believe in himself as some
sort of OSS/Linux messiah.

I would love to be a fly on the wall in his IRC channel now as he starts
bitch slapping a few of the faithful in heavy handed reprisals.


 
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From: Don Zeigler <sitt...@this.computer>
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 22:34:34 -0500
Local: Fri, Jan 2 2009 10:34 pm
Subject: Re: Gary M. Stewart (aka "Flatfish") About Microsoft AstroTurfing: "It's made me A LOT of money.."

DFS wrote:
> * reposting 10 year old articles

That's funny coming from someone who digs up ancient posts about Linux
problems.

Dork.
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Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:37:00 -0800
Subject: Re: Gary M. Stewart (aka "Flatfish") About Microsoft AstroTurfing: "It's made me A LOT of money.."
In article <gjlv4i$40...@news.motzarella.org>,
 "Gary M. Stewart" <gmstewart1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have to admit, setting that fool Schestowitz up like this wasn't my idea
> but it worked out even better than I had ever imagined!

> I guess I just didn't realize he could be so gullible.
> I was wrong on that one, big time!

Roy's posting is an income producing endeavor, so naturally he assumes
that others are also somehow making money from posting.

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From: Don Zeigler <sitt...@this.computer>
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 22:49:14 -0500
Local: Fri, Jan 2 2009 10:49 pm
Subject: Re: Gary M. Stewart (aka "Flatfish") About Microsoft AstroTurfing: "It's made me A LOT of money.."

Gary M. Stewart wrote:
> Same exact oddball quoting style.

That's a Knode feature, I think.
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstr...@launchmodem.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 23:21:44 -0500
Local: Fri, Jan 2 2009 11:21 pm
Subject: Re: Gary M. Stewart (aka "Flatfish") About Microsoft AstroTurfing: "It's made me A LOT of money.."
After takin' a swig o' grog, Tim Smith belched out
  this bit o' wisdom:

> In article <gjlv4i$40...@news.motzarella.org>,
>  "Gary M. Stewart" <gmstewart1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I have to admit, setting that fool Schestowitz up like this wasn't my idea
>> but it worked out even better than I had ever imagined!

>> I guess I just didn't realize he could be so gullible.
>> I was wrong on that one, big time!

> Roy's posting is an income producing endeavor, so naturally he assumes
> that others are also somehow making money from posting.

You are contradicting what Roy has said about making money from posting
here.

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From: Don Zeigler <sitt...@this.computer>
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 00:06:39 -0500
Local: Sat, Jan 3 2009 12:06 am
Subject: Re: Gary M. Stewart (aka "Flatfish") About Microsoft AstroTurfing: "It's made me A LOT of money.."

Gary M. Stewart wrote:
> They actually did offer me a job back in the mid 80s but I wasn't really
> interested.

Translation: I wasn't qualified to swab out their toilets.
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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 00:13:28 -0500
Local: Sat, Jan 3 2009 12:13 am
Subject: Re: Gary M. Stewart (aka "Flatfish") About Microsoft AstroTurfing: "It's made me A LOT of money.."

Don Zeigler wrote:
> DFS wrote:

>> * reposting 10 year old articles

> That's funny coming from someone who digs up ancient posts about Linux
> problems.

> Dork.

Show us just one, fool.

 
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From: Don Zeigler <sitt...@this.computer>
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 00:24:46 -0500
Local: Sat, Jan 3 2009 12:24 am
Subject: Re: Gary M. Stewart (aka "Flatfish") About Microsoft AstroTurfing: "It's made me A LOT of money.."

DFS wrote:
> Show us just one, fool.

One dork? That's easy. (Pointing at you, d00f)
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Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 23:14:00 -0700
Subject: Re: Gary M. Stewart (aka "Flatfish") About Microsoft AstroTurfing: "It's made me A LOT of money.."
"Don Zeigler" <sitt...@this.computer> stated in post
2ja26ma7xw65$....@this.domain.or.that on 1/2/09 10:06 PM:

> Gary M. Stewart wrote:

>> They actually did offer me a job back in the mid 80s but I wasn't really
>> interested.

> Translation: I wasn't qualified to swab out their toilets.

Not having a *real* response and yet wanting to troll, Don Zeigler decides
to engage in "translation trolling".

And the crowd goes wild.

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Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 23:14:11 -0700
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Subject: Re: Gary M. Stewart (aka "Flatfish") About Microsoft AstroTurfing: "It's made me A LOT of money.."
"Don Zeigler" <sitt...@this.computer> stated in post
4jgc6lm6bni5$....@this.domain.or.that on 1/2/09 10:24 PM:

> DFS wrote:

>> Show us just one, fool.

> One dork? That's easy. (Pointing at you, d00f)

You sure name call a lot.

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Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 23:14:28 -0700
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Subject: Re: Gary M. Stewart (aka "Flatfish") About Microsoft AstroTurfing: "It's made me A LOT of money.."
"Don Zeigler" <sitt...@this.computer> stated in post
1xb4tcqcu4sm5....@this.domain.or.that on 1/2/09 8:34 PM:

> DFS wrote:

>> * reposting 10 year old articles

> That's funny coming from someone who digs up ancient posts about Linux
> problems.

> Dork.

You sure name call a lot.

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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 01:26:41 -0500
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Subject: Re: Gary M. Stewart (aka "Flatfish") About Microsoft AstroTurfing: "It's made me A LOT of money.."

Snit wrote:
> And the crowd goes wild.

You go wild when you see I've posted, Michael. It gives you a chance to try
to appear "amusing" and "clever". Too bad we all know how you really are.
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Snit wrote:
> You sure name call a lot.

Hey, you ponytailed pussy - why don't you bitch your buddy DFS out for his
name-calling?

Stupid bastard.
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"Don Zeigler" <sitt...@this.computer> stated in post
8ab8f4flt3xj$....@this.domain.or.that on 1/2/09 11:26 PM:

> Snit wrote:

>> And the crowd goes wild.

> You go wild when you see I've posted, Michael. It gives you a chance to try
> to appear "amusing" and "clever". Too bad we all know how you really are.

You are not funny.

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"Don Zeigler" <sitt...@this.computer> stated in post
pfmkt2sl8d32$....@this.domain.or.that on 1/2/09 11:28 PM:

> Snit wrote:

>> You sure name call a lot.

> Hey, you ponytailed pussy - why don't you bitch your buddy DFS out for his
> name-calling?

> Stupid bastard.

You sure name call a lot.

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Don Zeigler wrote:
> That's a Knode feature, I think.

Yes it is, but I'm using Emacs to do the "Quote" thing...
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Don Zeigler <sitt...@this.computer> writes:
> DFS wrote:

>> Show us just one, fool.

> One dork? That's easy. (Pointing at you, d00f)

Aha. So called on your lies and you slink away with more lies.

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> Aha. So called on your lies and you slink away with more lies.

> Normal service resumed.

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Discussion subject changed to "Gary M. Stewart (aka “Flatfish”) About Microsoft AstroTurfing: “It’s made me A LOT of money….”" by High Plains Thumper
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Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 09:05:24 -0700
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Subject: Re: Gary M. Stewart (aka “Flatfish”) About Microsoft AstroTurfing: “It’s made me A LOT of money….”

Roy, it is obvious no matter how much the Wintrolls will deny it.
  There is active astroturfing going on, through the likes of the
posts from Gary M. Stewart, DFS, Erik Funkenbusch, Tim Smith,
amicus_curious, clogwog and nyms (Rick Mather), Hadron Quark and
a few lesser trolls.  It is obvious that they communicate and
coordinate.

EU has made strides for fairness in competition; there, such
activity is considered illegal.  However, most of those trolls
including clogwog live outside the EU and are not subject to EU
law (as Marti found out regarding clogwog).

Regarding Snit AKA Rhino Plastee and a few other nyms (Michael
Glasser), it is possible too, although currently he seems to be
nothing more than a nut case.

Linux is considerably more stable, inherently less viral prone
than Microsoft Windows.  Apple OSX based on BSD Unix variant also
follows suite, why some able to afford prefer it.

In spite of all the nasty FUD these astroturfers toss up, Linux
is gaining.  Because windows has dominated the microcomputer
desktop environment (and perpetuated for a time due to
uncompetitive monopoly maintenance), it has been an initial slow
climb for Linux.

For example, look at all the lawsuits with Microsoft as defendant:

http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2005/07/14/microsofts-law...

or http://tinyurl.com/59wley

[quote]
Microsoft's lawsuit payouts amount to around $9 billion
Updated Twice the GDP of Cambodia
By Désiré Athow: Thursday, 14 July 2005, 2:35 PM
* UPDATE Additional material at the end of this article.

MICROSOFT HAS had a long, a very long history of litigation,
court orders, patent infringements and antitrust lawsuits against
it since the very beginning of its history. We;ve managed to draw
up a partial list of these.

The surprising thing is not only the number of those lawsuits
against Microsoft - at one time, it had more than 130 pending -
but more importantly, the sheer amount of money it represents.

The Redmond giant has been ordered to pay nearly $9 billion, a
figure which is set to rise with some lawsuits still to be ruled on.

[.... Table below rearranged according to award amount, header added]

Award Amount    Plaintiff
--------------  ------------------
$1,950,000,000  Sun
$1,100,000,000  California
$850,000,000    IBM
$750,000,000    AOL
$613,000,000    EU
$536,000,000    Novell
$521,000,000    Eolas
$500,000,000    DR DOS/Caldera
$440,000,000    Intertrust
$250,000,000    Apple
$240,000,000    Minnesota
$202,000,000    Florida
$150,000,000    Gateway
$104,600,000    Arizona
$96,000,000     Perma Temps
$89,000,000     North Carolina
$83,000,000     Stac
$64,000,000     Tennessee
$62,000,000     SPX
$60,000,000     Burst
$35,000,000     Immersion
$34,000,000     Massachusett
$32,000,000     Kansas
$23,250,000     Be
$22,600,000     Nebraska state
$12,300,000     Montana
$10,500,000     Maryland
$10,500,000     Private (5)
$9,700,000      Vermont
$9,330,000      South Dakota
$9,000,000      Employee fired (3)
$9,000,000      North Dakota
$8,960,000      Carlos Armando (1)
$8,600,000      Daum (4)
$6,200,000      Columbia
$4,100,000      Bristol
$3,150,000      New Mexico
$2,000,000      Iowa
Undisclosed     Alacritech
Undisclosed     AT&T
Undisclosed     Sendo
Still in court? Discrimation Suit (2)
Still in court  E-data
Still in court  Forgent
Still in court  Go
Still in court  Mythic
Still in court  Wordperfect suit
Still in court  Real

[...] * UPDATE Thanks to Groklaw and Mr. Jaffar for their
assistance. Ten more cases have now been added and the total in
the coffer now exceeds the $9 billion mark:

Time Line Settled, undisclosed
Ticketmaster Settled, undisclosed
Priceline Still in court?
Goldtouch technology Settled, undisclosed
Syn'x $ 250,000
eLeaders Settled, undisclosed
e-Pass Still in court
Roger Avary (6) Still in court
Arendi Holdings Still in court?
Borland $100,000,000
[/quote]

The lawsuits continue:

http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/news/new_case_against_microsoft_...

or http://tinyurl.com/6k7j6d

[quote]
New Case Against Microsoft Brought To European Commission
Dec 01, 2008

The Dutch software dealer HW Trading has proffered a complaint
concerning Microsoft's marketing practices to the European Trade
Commission. The reason: Microsoft has for years been selling its
products at a higher price in Europe than it does in America.
[/quote]

Going back to Linux succeeding, if you think about it, outside
US, the educational and business sectors are more Linux friendly
than US.  Even in US, Linux deployments do not often make
mainline news because of the lack of paid for advertising, which
Linux does not need. Following are news leaks:

Regarding Kerala, India's 12,500 high schools now embracing Linux
and FOSS:

http://www.networkgulf.com/newngit/index.php/Industry-News/kerala-
high-schools-complete-the-migration-to-linux-and-open-source

or http://tinyurl.com/7jkcuo

[quote]
Kerala high schools complete the migration to Linux and Open source
Indian Express - Wednesday, March 5, 2008

Kerala is all set to become the first state in India to
completely banish Microsoft and allow only GNU/Linux free
software to be used in the mandatory IT test at the state SSLC
examinations that half a million students will appear for from
next week. Till last year, they could take the exam using either
free software or the Microsoft platform. Not anymore.

A few weeks ago, the Government formally ordered that only free
Linux-based software should be used for IT education in high
schools, using new the Linux text books developed by State
Council for Educational Research and Training and the Free
Software Foundation of India.

The state government's anti-proprietary planks apart, another
major plus of abandoning Microsoft, claim state IT Mission
officials, is plainly the cost factor. “Going for a massive
Windows-based infrastructure cost a lot. Linux can bundle all
applications with the operating system facilitating a single
installation kit”.
[/quote]

http://piacentini.livejournal.com/7871.html

[quote]
ProInfo and Linux Educacional - KDE in Public Schools in Brazil
* Apr. 23rd, 2008 at 6:09 PM

One of the highlights of fisl9.0 for me was getting to know
better the work that is being done by Brazil's Ministry of
Education (MEC). They have just unveiled the numbers for the
ongoing ProInfo project. What is interesting about this project
is that it not only provides infrastructure (computers and net
connectivity) but also open content to students in public schools.

The software installed on these systems is "Linux Educacional
2.0", a very clean Debian-based distribution, with KDE 3.5,
KDE-Edu, KDE-Games, and some tools developed by the project.

[...]

As this first slide shows, until the end of this year there will
be already 29,000 labs deployed, serving approximately 36 million
students. This number grows to more than 53,000 by the end of
2009, and at that time 52 million students will have access to
them. You can also see in the slide a solution that is being
developed for classrooms: a single hardware unit with integrated
projector, cpu, bundled content and DVD player. With it, digital
content will no longer be restricted to the info lab, and will be
usable by teachers in the traditional classrooms as well.
[/quote]

http://ec.europa.eu/idabc/en/document/7386/469

[quote]
EU: Schools increase use of Open Source
Open Source News - 26 February 2008 - EU and Europe-wide - General

Schools using GNU/Linux or other Open Source systems for desktop
PCs are no longer rare, though in many countries their numbers
are very low. Not so in India, Macedonia, the Philippines, Russia
and Turkey, where hundreds of thousands of pupils are becoming
familiar with Open Source.

This type of software will become more prominent in education,
expects Datamonitor, a research firm. In a report published last
month it predicts that spending on Open Source software,
including maintenance and services, by the education sector
globally will reach $489.9 million by 2012, compared to $286.2
million today.

[....]

However popular these laptops may become, the number of Western
European classrooms were Open Source software is being used
daily, is dwarfed  by those in countries like Macedonia, Turkey
and Russia.

In ...

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Subject: Re: Gary M. Stewart (aka “Flatfish”) About Microsoft AstroTurfing: “It’s made me A LOT of money….”

High Plains Thumper <highplainsthum...@invalid.invalid> writes:

> Roy, it is obvious no matter how much the Wintrolls will deny
> it. There is active astroturfing going on, through the likes of the
> posts from Gary M. Stewart, DFS, Erik Funkenbusch, Tim Smith,
> amicus_curious, clogwog and nyms (Rick Mather), Hadron Quark and a few
> lesser trolls.  It is obvious that they communicate and coordinate.

LOL! Sure. This will come as a surprise to the others as it is to me. I
would not mind, but like me, all I see is Erik correcting your lies and
Tim is never anything other than factual and polite.

I like and use Linux. And I know a lot more about it than you and even
took the time out to educate you about what Debian was and how its
releases worked. You failed to comprehend though.

> EU has made strides for fairness in competition; there, such activity
> is considered illegal.  However, most of those trolls including
> clogwog live outside the EU and are not subject to EU law (as Marti
> found out regarding clogwog).

Marti? Watch out Columbo.

> Regarding Snit AKA Rhino Plastee and a few other nyms (Michael
> Glasser), it is possible too, although currently he seems to be
> nothing more than a nut case.

What about your nyms Wendy? Or Roy Colley's nyms? Or him using a gmail
in someone else's name for illegal and immoral purposes?

Your whining and self righteous posturing is nothing short of pathetic.

> Linux is considerably more stable, inherently less viral prone than
> Microsoft Windows.  Apple OSX based on BSD Unix variant also follows
> suite, why some able to afford prefer it.

I agree. As an OS. Unfortunately its HW support for modern HW is (and
was) not so hot in many cases. The commercial SW that people WANT is not
available for it. It's entertainment coverage is almost zero in terms of
modern games. And of course people like you scare new users away.

You need to take some reality pills.


 
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After takin' a swig o' grog, High Plains Thumper belched out
  this bit o' wisdom:

Need a bailout?  Just sue Microsoft.

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