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GysdeJongh

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Jan 22, 2011, 4:46:27 PM1/22/11
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The Best Time to Exercise to Lose the Most Weight and Improve Insulin
Sensitivity
A new study suggests that exercising in the morning, before eating, can
significantly lessen the ill effects of a poor holiday diet.

Researchers recruited healthy, active young men and fed them a bad diet for
six weeks. A group of them that exercised before breakfast gained almost no
weight and showed no signs of insulin resistance. What's more, they burned
the fat they were taking in more efficiently.

"Training in the fasted state improves glucose tolerance during fat-rich
diet. Plus, working out before breakfast directly combated the two most
detrimental effects of eating a high-fat, high-calorie diet. It also helped
the men avoid gaining weight."

A fat-rich energy-dense diet is an important cause of insulin resistance.
Stimulation of fat turnover in muscle cells during dietary fat challenge may
contribute to maintenance of insulin sensitivity. Exercise in the fasted
state markedly stimulates energy provision via fat oxidation. Therefore,
researchers investigated whether exercise training in the fasted state is
more potent than exercise in the fed state to rescue whole-body glucose
tolerance and insulin sensitivity during a period of hyper-caloric fat-rich
diet.

This study for the first time shows that fasted training is more potent than
fed training to facilitate adaptations in muscle and to improve whole-body
glucose tolerance and insulin sensitivity during hyper-caloric fat-rich
diet. From the results, it becomes very clear that something as simple as
modifying your schedule to exercise before eating your first meal of the day
can have a very beneficial and protective impact on your health and weight.

Journal of Physiology Nov 1, 2010;588(Pt 21):4289-302; Van Proeyen K,
Szlufcik K., Nielens H.

trigonometry1972@gmail.com |

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Jan 22, 2011, 5:02:55 PM1/22/11
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>
> Journal of Physiology Nov 1, 2010;588(Pt 21):4289-302; Van Proeyen K,
> Szlufcik K., Nielens H.

I've been exercising pre-meal mostly this week. Albeit
with coffee and cream on board. Perhaps my better
morning numbers aren't the effects of green tea but
pre meal exercise?

Such studies merit personal experimentation, IMO.

Always more than one variable........................Trig

ra...@val.com

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Jan 22, 2011, 6:52:35 PM1/22/11
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On Jan 22, 3:46 pm, "GysdeJongh" <JonghSevenHundredElevenAtPlanet.nl>
wrote:
> http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=ar...

Gys,

Thanks for that. I am very, very interested in the possibilities of
eating and exercise schedules.

I think we shared this privately paper not along. This guy has been
treating patients with short term fasting with an exercise break in
the middle of the fast.
No food in the belly during exercise and no food follows for atleast 4
or more hours. I've got some of my lowest bg levels following this
method. If anyone wants the full paper email me.

//
****************************************************************************************************

A "mini-fast with exercise" protocol for fat loss.
Bahadori B, McCarty MF, Barroso-Aranda J, Gustin JC, Contreras F.

Oasis of Hope Hospital, Paseo Playas 19, Playas de Tijuana, Tijuana,
B.C. 22504, Mexico.

Abstract
From the standpoint of promoting leanness, exercise is of most value
if oxidation of stored fat is maximized during and following the
exercise sessions. Bahadori has proposed that this can best be
achieved if prolonged exercise of moderate intensity is performed
during a 12-14 h "mini-fast" that entails skipping a meal; if
subsequent food consumption features low-fat foods, the fat stores
expended during and after the exercise will not be fully repleted by
dietary fat. Thus, prolonged compliance with such a regimen should
lead to steady loss of body fat until a much leaner equilibrium body
composition is attained. The feasibility and efficacy of this strategy
has been examined in an open pilot study. Participants were asked to
perform prolonged, moderate-intensity aerobic exercise at least 3-5
times weekly, nesting each exercise session within a 12-14 h mini-
fast. No restrictions were placed on daily calorie consumption, but
low-fat, low-glycemic-index food choices were recommended. Of the 34
subjects originally enrolled, 27 returned for follow-up evaluations at
6 and 12 weeks. During the 12 week study, the average fat loss in
these 27 subjects - 7.4 kg - corresponded to one-quarter of their
baseline fat mass. Fasting insulin levels likewise fell by 25%. The
rate of fat loss was at least as great in the second 6 weeks as in the
first, suggesting that fat loss might have persisted for some time if
the study had been prolonged. This protocol, combining elements of
exercise training, fasting, and low-fat eating, is both sustainable
and healthful, and in reasonably compliant subjects may have
considerable potential for promoting and maintaining leanness and
insulin sensitivity.

PMID: 19577377 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

ra...@val.com

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Jan 22, 2011, 7:03:23 PM1/22/11
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On Jan 22, 4:02 pm, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |"

If ever there was a case of high bg levels due to very low carb intake
it would be you.

I don't know if you've checked into the links I provided a couple of
months ago or not but with all the effort you put into control, I'd
look into the research. I'd also review the data on SFAs and glucose
levels.

Remember, just because your not eating carbs doesn't mean your liver
will produce glucose and alot of it. If your increasing your IR via
very low carb dieting, this could be a factor in your high fasting bg
levels. Note I said could be.

And remember - the benefits of increasing carbs do not happen
overnight. I only mention this because you put alot of effort in
trying all sorts of things and there is alot of data showing increased
carbs can help especially when your total intake is under <15% of
calories.
And if you do try this you have to go through period.

As I've said numerous times, you can put a non-diabetic on a very low
carb diet (<10) and many will test diabetic on a OGTT in a week and
all will get worse.

Randy

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jan 22, 2011, 10:01:31 PM1/22/11
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GysdeJongh wrote:
> http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10393&catid=53&Itemid=8
> The Best Time to Exercise to Lose the Most Weight and Improve Insulin
> Sensitivity
> A new study suggests that exercising in the morning, before eating, can
> significantly lessen the ill effects of a poor holiday diet.
>
> Researchers recruited healthy, active young men and fed them a bad diet for
> six weeks.

Much smarter to http://WDJW.net/NotDiet

Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
more sophisticated and smarter:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?

Be hungrier, which really is wonderfully healthier especially for
diabetics and other heart disease patients:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?

We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PD-OMER
Approach to get our...

http://WDJW.net/Status

and then...

http://WDJW.net/Update

so that there will be...

http://WDJW.net/NoVAT

Being hungry is truly wonderful as proven by four lines of evidence:

Mathematical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946

Historical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946

Medical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946

Psychological:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946

So that we really should http://WDJW.net/BeHungry and say we are
"wonderfully hungry" whenever we are greeted:

http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946

There is pure joy in being used by GOD to convince others:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?

"A 2005 visit to an Atlanta cardiologist by the name of Andrew Chung
put me on some serious reality

I wasnt just chubby or husky, I am what they often call morbidly
obese. He explained that morbid obesity simply means that if something
happened to me that could be attiributed to weight and I were to end
up in the not breathing state

ok some call it DEAD

that a doctor could simply dismiss it as natural causes related to
weight more or less.

Ive been told I was a chunky fella a couple times, maybe even fat...
but not quite that harshly. Definitely made me think about a few
things, as much as I dislike scare tactics when it comes to health.

Well in the midst of the shock treatment, he also had me come to a
heart wellness seminar that he does on some Saturdays in Mableton.

Nice little get together, he has folks from the community come in and
discuss Tai Chi, exercises, testimonials, all kinds of good stuff.

Then he shows the movie SUPERSIZE ME to set up the pitch for his 2PD
Omer approach that he has his patients use to lose weight.

In a nutshell, in his view, HOW MUCH you eat is more of the issue than
WHAT you eat and portion is more important than any fat content or
calories.

I agree with this. This is why I have always been more successful on
more liquid diets (cabbage soup, slimfast, herbalife (tho dangerous))
than anything else. I wasnt eating the portions I was before that..."

Source:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?

Love in the truth,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of the 2PD-OMER Approach:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9ad0c19df5ffc2f7?

W. Baker

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Jan 22, 2011, 11:41:00 PM1/22/11
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GysdeJongh <JonghSevenHundredElevenAtPlanet.nl> wrote:
: http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10393&catid=53&Itemid=8

What is it throws your bgs high?

Wendy

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jan 24, 2011, 12:46:56 AM1/24/11
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... and encouraging born-again (John 3:3 & 5) friends to also pray for
Ken simply because we really love him as our LORD commands (John
15:12) with all glory to GOD the Father.

Ken wrote:
>
> "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting
> different results"
> Albert Einstein ...

Source:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/77109afdfa9455f5?

... and ...

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bd4a3310cdc6e165?

Actually, insanity is simply a condition of being disconnected from
reality falsely thinking fiction is truth thereby suffering from
delusions.

For example, your quoting Albert Einstein's fictional definition of
insanity multiple times and applying it as if it were true serves well
as evidence that you really are becoming insane.

Ken wrote earlier in part:
>
> Schizophrenia can set in at any time but it's usual shows up in early
> adulthood.
>
> I'm predisposed due to my biological maw spending her adult life in a
> hospital as a paranoid schizophrenic before passing in '66

Source:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/40a1fbe0d8ff812a?

Only the truth, Who is Jesus, can keep you from becoming more
delusional like your mom was.

There are others who are also observing that you are exhibiting
psychopathology:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3f56b038f17f681b?

Bottom line concerning you, Ken:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e444a7f27fc8ae79?

Truth is reality ...

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/459c9c0ed3b24ca2?

... despite your efforts:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3160f9fd903ab7c2?

And, so this bona-fide physician ( http://WDJW.net/HeartDoc ) freely
chooses to continue to pray for you as outlined per the amazing
Facebook spectacle at http://WDJW.net/Salvation earlier:

May GOD save your perishing soul by giving you, Ken, a new heart and a
new spirit (Ezekiel 11:19-20 and 36:26) so that you would be born
again of water and Spirit (John 3:3 and 3:5), http://WDJW.net/Forgiven
by Him so that you would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus:

http://T3WiJ.com

Amen.

Be hungrier, which really is healthier especially for diabetics and
other heart disease patients:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/9642aafa0aad16eb?

We do this by weighing our meals per the http://WDJW.net/2PDOMER
Approach to get our...

http://WDJW.net/Status

and then...

http://WDJW.net/Update

http://WDJW.net/NoVAT

Mathematical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113247&l=9583a55b45&id=1467768946

Historical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113078&l=0071d60632&id=1467768946

Medical:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31107542&l=a51ee83a50&id=1467768946

Psychological:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31229810&l=0b3a2ad60b&id=1467768946

http://WDJW.net/WonderfullyHungry

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31113612&l=cbe72c46ca&id=1467768946

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?

Source:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/e82824a99ba4f187?

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Ellen K.

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Jan 24, 2011, 3:04:14 AM1/24/11
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<trigonom...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6027ab22-ec9b-467e...@o9g2000pre.googlegroups.com...

My personal experimentation (posted here) indicated no adverse bg effect of
exercising before breakfast, so I went back to doing so (that was my routine
prior to diagnosis).

Ellen K.

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Jan 24, 2011, 3:05:29 AM1/24/11
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"I think we shared this privately paper not along."

Could you please translate the above to standard English?

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trigonometry1972@gmail.com |

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On Jan 22, 8:41 pm, "W. Baker" <wba...@panix.com> wrote:
> GysdeJongh <JonghSevenHundredElevenAtPlanet.nl> wrote:
>
> :http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=ar...

At the spring of the 2010 that was a problem I had.
I kept at the exercise and the effect cleared up. YMMV.
The postural hypotension also cleared up with exercise.

Trig

trigonometry1972@gmail.com |

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Jan 24, 2011, 4:16:19 AM1/24/11
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On Jan 22, 4:03 pm, "ra...@val.com" <ra...@val.com> wrote:
> On Jan 22, 4:02 pm, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |"
>
> <trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Journal of Physiology Nov 1, 2010;588(Pt 21):4289-302; Van Proeyen K,
> > > Szlufcik K., Nielens H.
>
> > I've been exercising pre-meal mostly this week. Albeit
> > with coffee and cream on board. Perhaps my better
> > morning numbers aren't the effects of green tea but
> > pre meal exercise?
>
> > Such studies merit personal experimentation, IMO.
>
> > Always more than one variable........................Trig
>
> If ever there was a case of high bg levels due to very low carb intake
> it would be you.

Of course, I was having higher than desirable post-prandial
numbers before I clamped down on carbs a couple of
years ago. The clamped down has been progressive
and quite aggressive.

>
> I don't know if you've checked into the links I provided a couple of
> months ago or not but with all the effort you put into control, I'd
> look into the research. I'd also review the data on SFAs and glucose
> levels.

Reading ("research") on a topic is good.

>
> Remember, just because your not eating carbs doesn't mean your liver
> will produce glucose and alot of it. If your increasing your IR via
> very low carb dieting, this could be a factor in your high fasting bg
> levels. Note I said could be.

"Could be" is always the problem it seems. And I am
aware of the liver making glucose in the morning.
I suspect the spike isn't much longer than an hour
a day. I suppose I should use a bunch of strips
to get a better picture.


> And remember - the benefits of increasing carbs do not happen
> overnight. I only mention this because you put alot of effort in
> trying all sorts of things and there is alot of data showing increased
> carbs can help especially when your total intake is under <15% of
> calories.
> And if you do try this you have to go through period.
>
> As I've said numerous times, you can put a non-diabetic on a very low
> carb diet (<10) and many will test diabetic on a OGTT in a week and
> all will get worse.
>
> Randy

This experiment will have to get in line before I try it.
The exercise on a empty stomach experiment is in the
present. It doesn't seem to harm or be uncomfortable.
And when I exercise the exercise is vigorous and lengthy.
No walking around a track at a gentle pace for 20 minutes.
Rather 50 minutes of running or something similar with
other exercises.

The concurrent green tea experiment tends to wake me
as the tea seems a stronger tendency to fill the bladder
than even coffee perhaps given the timing. I may have
to try a pill for the chemical I suspect maybe of benefit
which I hope has the methyl xanthines separated out.

I may try for sleep and skip the green tea.
I want sleep..........................................Trig

Chris Malcolm

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Jan 24, 2011, 8:04:53 AM1/24/11
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trigonom...@gmail.com | <trigonom...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The concurrent green tea experiment tends to wake me
> as the tea seems a stronger tendency to fill the bladder
> than even coffee perhaps given the timing.

Tea actually causes the bladder to fill faster, whereas coffee makes
you want to empty whatever is in the bladder without filling it. Two
different effects wih different timings.

--
Chris Malcolm

ra...@val.com

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Jan 24, 2011, 10:28:15 AM1/24/11
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Randy Wrote:
> "I think we shared this privately paper not along."
>
Ellen Wrote:
> Could you please translate the above to standard English?

I provided Gys the full paper of the abstarct below.

//
************************************************************************************************************


A "mini-fast with exercise" protocol for fat loss.
Bahadori B, McCarty MF, Barroso-Aranda J, Gustin JC, Contreras F.

Abstract

Janet

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Jan 24, 2011, 11:11:50 PM1/24/11
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ra...@val.com wrote:
<snip>
[from the abstract]

> The feasibility and efficacy of this
> strategy
> has been examined in an open pilot study. Participants were asked to
> perform prolonged, moderate-intensity aerobic exercise at least 3-5
> times weekly, nesting each exercise session within a 12-14 h mini-
> fast. No restrictions were placed on daily calorie consumption, but
> low-fat, low-glycemic-index food choices were recommended. Of the 34
> subjects originally enrolled, 27 returned for follow-up evaluations
> at
> 6 and 12 weeks. During the 12 week study, the average fat loss in
> these 27 subjects - 7.4 kg - corresponded to one-quarter of their
> baseline fat mass. Fasting insulin levels likewise fell by 25%. The
> rate of fat loss was at least as great in the second 6 weeks as in
> the
> first, suggesting that fat loss might have persisted for some time if
> the study had been prolonged. This protocol, combining elements of
> exercise training, fasting, and low-fat eating, is both sustainable
> and healthful, and in reasonably compliant subjects may have
> considerable potential for promoting and maintaining leanness and
> insulin sensitivity.
> PMID: 19577377 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Very interesting, and the amount of weight loss was impressive.

If I have it right, one would have to do something like finish eating
dinner by 8, get up and exercise for a "prolonged" period early in the
morning, and then skip breakfast, or at least not eat anything until about
10 am. It certainly is doable, but not terribly easy for people who have to
get to a conventional job in the morning.

Do you know what their definition of "prolonged, moderate-intensity aerobic
exercise" is? Would swimming laps for half an hour qualify, or is that too
easy?


ra...@val.com

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Jan 25, 2011, 12:04:37 AM1/25/11
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> easy?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Send me an email and I'll send you the full paper. The references
alone are invaluable.
All your questions are answered.

Basically the mini fast is 12 - 16 hours with an execise session no
sooner than 4 hours after or before food.
I've gotten my lower fasting bgs using this approach.

The exercise they used in the study was mainly walking.

Also you would fine their recommended diet unacceptable.

Randy

%

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Jan 25, 2011, 12:14:45 AM1/25/11
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everytime i come here you're starting shit or your in it ,
can you re group and call back when you've been clarified ,
try finding less than a 1.5 to one ratio on your rf gain

ra...@val.com

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Jan 25, 2011, 12:21:44 AM1/25/11
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> everytime i come here you're starting shit or your in it ,
> can you re group and call back when you've been clarified ,
> try finding less than a 1.5 to one ratio on your rf gain- Hide quoted text -

How exactly am I starting "shit". I responed to Janet's question.

I am not going to modify anything I post here on your request. Just
ignore me or kill file me.

Randy


ra...@val.com

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Jan 25, 2011, 12:24:35 AM1/25/11
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On Jan 24, 10:11 pm, "Janet" <boxh...@maine.rr.com> wrote:
> easy?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Janet,


You might want to check these links out and more:

http://www.suite101.com/content/why-no-weight-loss-from-swimming-training-a97897
http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/research/swimming.htm


Randy

Andrew

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Jan 25, 2011, 2:46:06 AM1/25/11
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Pray For Evil False Christian Chung

FALSE CHRISTIAN Mr. Chung, hissed:

> Actually, it is VAT (Visceral Adipose Tissue) as a consequence of
> overeating that is the cause of type-2 diabetes even in folks with
> chronically elevated serum cortisol (i.e. Cushings).

> It is the self-discipline of holding to the right daily amount (32 oz)
> of food rather than exercise that cures the VAT.

Got any independent clinical research to back that up? NO.

> Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
> more sophisticated and smarter:

Got any independent clinical research to back that up? NO.

2PD-OMER, probably the most untested, unproven and unheard of eating
approach ever devised.

Today someone gave me a Hostess Bear Claw. Normally I never eat pastry.
Especially that kind of pastry. But I thought; why not, what's one bear
claw? It hardly weighs anything at all. It's almost as light as
air.................
But the I looked at the Nutrition Label: 530 calories per serving. 530! For
ONE. Into the garbage can it went.

Now let's do a little calculating, shall we? One Hostess Bear Claw weighs
142 grams. 142 g = 5.00890 oz.
6 Hostess Bear Claws weigh 30.0534oz. That's less than 2lbs, obviously.

But how many calories does that add up to? 3180. What?! 3180!
How fast do you think you'll lose weight eating 3180 calories a day with no
exercise?
That's what Mr. Chung is suggesting; 2lbs of food a day and no exercise,
period, will make you lose all VAT (excess belly fat) even if that 2lbs
comes out to 3180 calories. 1260 of those 3180 calories being pure FAT
calories. Yeah, right.
http://www.grocerycouponnetwork.com/foodproducts/products.php?Id=42132

Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a618511390fca2b5?hl=en

> > Stop Hunger campaign is aimed at stopping malnutrition in poverty
> > stricken
> > places in the world ...
>
> Lie.
>
> Folks really dying from malnutrition are not hungry.

You're insane alright.

> > where it's IMPOSSIBLE to overeat.
>
> Lie.
>
> Overeating is definitely happening in the United States.

Not for those who don't have enough to eat. That includes the scores
homeless, indigent and destitute in the United States. And especially in
places like Ethiopia, which you know full well I was referring to.

> That's 3 lies in a row. You've struck out.

Great way for you to convince yourself that you're not insane.

> May GOD annihilate you with fires from Heaven right now, in the name
> of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

You are an evil, insane and extremely false Christian.
Not just merely a false Christian, but most sincerely a false Christian.


Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/83fc7b19ddc4a9b3?hl=en

Mr. Chung, Jesus said of you: "Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are
of" (Luke 9:55)

Andrew

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Jan 25, 2011, 2:56:20 AM1/25/11
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Pray For Evil False Christian Chung

FALSE CHRISTIAN Mr. Chung, hissed:

> Actually, it is VAT (Visceral Adipose Tissue) as a consequence of
> overeating that is the cause of type-2 diabetes even in folks with
> chronically elevated serum cortisol (i.e. Cushings).

> It is the self-discipline of holding to the right daily amount (32 oz)
> of food rather than exercise that cures the VAT.

Got any independent clinical research to back that up? NO.

> Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
> more sophisticated and smarter:

Got any independent clinical research to back that up? NO.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jan 25, 2011, 4:40:14 AM1/25/11
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a sockpuppet wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > A much bigger and more pervasive lie is "hunger is starvation" as
> > evident by all the "stop hunger" propaganda that is keeping folks from
> > doing the healthy things that make them hungrier such as stopping
> > smoking, stopping worrying, stopping fighting, and stopping overeating
> > by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz) of food.
>
> Wow, you just might have gotten even more insane, if that's possible.

Lie.

Wouldn't still have an active medical license if that were true.

> The


> Stop Hunger campaign is aimed at stopping malnutrition in poverty stricken
> places in the world ...

Lie.

Folks really dying from malnutrition are not hungry. Moreover, the
propaganda campaign is the most intense in the United States funded by
government money with a government web site in a country where there
is an obesity epidemic instead of famine:

http://HelpStampOutHunger.com

> ... where it's IMPOSSIBLE to overeat.

Lie.

Overeating is definitely happening in the United States.

That's 3 lies in a row. You've struck out.

Source:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b3ab8dc960131a3c?

May GOD annihilate you with fires from Heaven right now, in the name
of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Heart Doctor
and Author of "Trust the Truth:"
http://www.amazon.com/-/e/B002G22ZWG

"no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit."(1Cor12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?

Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?

Andrew

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Jan 25, 2011, 5:11:35 AM1/25/11
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Source:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a618511390fca2b5?hl=en

> > Stop Hunger campaign is aimed at stopping malnutrition in poverty


> > stricken
> > places in the world ...
>
> Lie.
>
> Folks really dying from malnutrition are not hungry.

You're insane alright.

> > where it's IMPOSSIBLE to overeat.
>
> Lie.
>
> Overeating is definitely happening in the United States.

Not for those who don't have enough to eat. That includes the scores


homeless, indigent and destitute in the United States. And especially in
places like Ethiopia, which you know full well I was referring to.

> That's 3 lies in a row. You've struck out.

Great way for you to convince yourself that you're not insane.

> May GOD annihilate you with fires from Heaven right now, in the name


> of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

You are an evil, insane and extremely false Christian.

Janet

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Jan 25, 2011, 10:29:41 AM1/25/11
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ra...@val.com wrote:
<snip>

Very interesting, thanks. I've never felt that swimming is particularly
great for filling the need for hard exercise...it's too difficult to keep
oneself going at a really strenuous pace for long. The swim coach who
lifeguards the morning lap swim suggests varying the pace: do a lap at
maximum effort, followed by one or two easy ones, repeat. He says that a lot
of people say that they don't feel their fitness is increasing when they
just get in the pool and do the same thing at a comfortable pace week after
week. Of course, it does take some time to get to that plateau! (The pool is
heated to about 86F, I believe.)

For me, the morning lap swim has the benefit of being conveniently located
and early enough to get it out of the way and not take a huge chunk of time
during the day, the way going to the gym does. On the other hand, it does
require getting up at 5:30AM! <G> My idea was/is to combine swimming MWF
with gym workouts on 3 other days...if I get there.

What I really need to do is have a workout and/or strength training I can do
at home to make sure it happens. Has anyone tried those DVD workouts with
dumbells, kettlebells, or whatever? Any recommendations?


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trigonometry1972@gmail.com |

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Jan 25, 2011, 8:08:39 PM1/25/11
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On Jan 24, 12:47 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |"

I had the problem today. I'd taken a break from
exercise for 72 hours. Exercise sent the BG by ~20
mg/dL or so.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jan 26, 2011, 4:38:36 AM1/26/11
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a sockpuppet wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > A much bigger and more pervasive lie is "hunger is starvation" as
> > evident by all the "stop hunger" propaganda that is keeping folks from
> > doing the healthy things that make them hungrier such as stopping
> > smoking, stopping worrying, stopping fighting, and stopping overeating
> > by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz) of food.
>
> Wow, you just might have gotten even more insane, if that's possible.

Lie.

Wouldn't still have an active medical license if that were true.

> The


> Stop Hunger campaign is aimed at stopping malnutrition in poverty stricken
> places in the world ...

Lie.

Folks really dying from malnutrition are not hungry. Moreover, the


propaganda campaign is the most intense in the United States funded by
government money with a government web site in a country where there
is an obesity epidemic instead of famine:

http://HelpStampOutHunger.com

> ... where it's IMPOSSIBLE to overeat.

Lie.

Overeating is definitely happening in the United States.

That's 3 lies in a row. You've struck out.

Source:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b3ab8dc960131a3c?

May GOD annihilate you with fires from Heaven right now, in the name
of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew

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Jan 26, 2011, 9:03:02 AM1/26/11
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Pray For Hateful False Christian Chung.

FALSE CHRISTIAN Mr. Chung, hissed:

> Actually, it is VAT (Visceral Adipose Tissue) as a consequence of
> overeating that is the cause of type-2 diabetes even in folks with
> chronically elevated serum cortisol (i.e. Cushings).

> It is the self-discipline of holding to the right daily amount (32 oz)
> of food rather than exercise that cures the VAT.

Got any independent clinical research to back that up? NO.

> Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
> more sophisticated and smarter:

Got any independent clinical research to back that up? NO.

2PD-OMER; probably the most untested, unproven and unheard of eating
approach ever devised.

Source: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a618511390fca2b5?hl=en

> > Stop Hunger campaign is aimed at stopping malnutrition in poverty


> > stricken
> > places in the world ...
>
> Lie.
>
> Folks really dying from malnutrition are not hungry.

You're insane alright.

> > where it's IMPOSSIBLE to overeat.
>
> Lie.
>
> Overeating is definitely happening in the United States.

Not for those who don't have enough to eat. That includes the scores


homeless, indigent and destitute in the United States. And especially
in
places like Ethiopia, which you know full well I was referring to.

> That's 3 lies in a row. You've struck out.

Great way for you to convince yourself that you're not insane.

> May GOD annihilate you with fires from Heaven right now, in the name


> of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

You are an evil, insane and extremely false Christian.

Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jan 28, 2011, 11:32:49 PM1/28/11
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a sockpuppet wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > Actually, it is VAT (Visceral Adipose Tissue) as a consequence of
> > overeating that is the cause of type-2 diabetes even in folks with
> > chronically elevated serum cortisol (i.e. Cushings).
>
> > It is the self-discipline of holding to the right daily amount (32 oz)
> > of food rather than exercise that cures the VAT.
>
> Got any independent clinical research to back that up?

Yes. Simply look at the research data from all the bariatric surgeons
who have been allowed to report that they can cure type-2 diabetes by
surgically forcing people to eat less.

> > Yes, right amount (omer) control as Chris Malcolm is doing is much
> > more sophisticated and smarter:
> >

> > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diet.low-carb/msg/8d2ef74488074acf?


>
> Got any independent clinical research to back that up?

Yes:

http://WDJW.net/NoVAT

> 2PD-OMER; probably the most untested, unproven and unheard of eating
> approach ever devised.

Lie.

All who have stayed with the more well-known alternative approach,
which is fasting (i.e. 0 oz per day) have died.

Meanwhile, Chris Malcolm is still alive and thriving as evident by his
ongoing Usenet posts in ASD.

Source:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/2dcb13504a1914b9?

a sockpuppet wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> > A much bigger and more pervasive lie is "hunger is starvation" as
> > evident by all the "stop hunger" propaganda that is keeping folks from
> > doing the healthy things that make them hungrier such as stopping
> > smoking, stopping worrying, stopping fighting, and stopping overeating
> > by holding to the right daily amount (32 oz) of food.
>
> Wow, you just might have gotten even more insane, if that's possible.

Lie.

Wouldn't still have an active medical license if that were true.

> The Stop Hunger campaign is aimed at stopping malnutrition in poverty stricken


> places in the world ...

Lie.

Folks really dying from malnutrition are not hungry. Moreover, the


propaganda campaign is the most intense in the United States funded by
government money with a government web site in a country where there
is an obesity epidemic instead of famine:

http://HelpStampOutHunger.com

> ... where it's IMPOSSIBLE to overeat.

Lie.

Overeating is definitely happening in the United States.

That's 3 lies in a row. You've struck out.

Source:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b3ab8dc960131a3c?

May GOD annihilate you with fires from Heaven right now, in the name
of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

Board-certified Cardiologist

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