Did Sara "The Fist" Salzman's S&M/Drug HomeLife Result in Two "GIFTED" Children? I.E. Genetics/Lifestyles? V2.0
Beaver Cleaver
Not all links in the older archives may work. I can't do anything about those
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On Tue, 20 May 2003 03:43:08 GMT, <1d9jcv8edomin7l6f...@4ax.com>
Philip Phillips <Phill...@prontomail.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 19 May 2003 17:01:57 -0500, <20licv4ua1ceur4iq...@4ax.com>
>James Gregory MacTavish <JG_Mac...@MacTavish-CENTRAL.NET> wrote:
>
>>Xref:
>>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/b70876c4dc042f67?fwc=1
>>Subject: UNEXPURGATED! In Sara Salzman's Own Words! Her S&M Torture & Bondage
>>Fantasies R_16
>>Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 23:37:03 -0600
>>Message-ID: <pnoc4uo6q33vrai5i...@4ax.com>
>>
>>>>sschwartz-050...@p21.infinet.com
>>>
>>For a fact that Message ID yields:
>>http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=%20&as_umsgid=sschwartz-050...@p21.infinet.com&num=20&hl=en
(Link no longer active seeing how Sara Salzman NUKED the post from GOOGLE's and
lied by claiming it never was there but she has been proven wrong since! I
provide further proofs at the bottom of this very post.)
>>From: ssch...@infinet.com
>>Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
>>Subject: My Master Holds The Ropes Just So (poem)
>>Date: Sun, 05 Feb 1995 14:49:12 -0500
>>Organization: InfiNet
>>Lines: 114
>>Message-ID: <sschwartz-050...@p21.infinet.com>
>>NNTP-Posting-Host: p21.infinet.com
>>
>>My Master holds the rope just so.
>>
>>He knows me. Knows my moods. Knows the fear behind my eyes, both real and
>>imagined.
>>
>>Those eyes widen as he gently lays the rope down, as he carefully,
>>methodically, systematically, lays the toys down on the bed.
>>
>>Soft moans escape from behind gagged lips. I have been told to watch.
>>To see each and know that soon each will touch me.
>>
>>He looks up briefly as he lays each down on the bed. Checking reactions.
>>Watching.
>>
>>The short whip. A sigh.
>>The deerskin. The suede.
>>
>>The small braided thong, the one that stings. A short moan.
>>
>>The horsehair that stings but never marks.
>>
>>The canes. The paddles. A pause.
>>
>>I wait, knowing.
>>
>>The small velvet bag that holds clamps. Clamps too severe for my breasts,
>>yet applied anyway.
>>
>>A gasp. And then his smile.
>>
>>He knows me. He knows I will take the pain to please him. He knows the
>>sacrifice I make to his Gods of Pain. He sees the torment in my eyes. The
>>desire to please. The love. The fear of the pain.
>>
>>My Master holds the rope just so.
>>
>>Through his fingers, around my wrists, making delicate rings softer than
>>steel. Stronger than steel. One on each wrist, a gentle bracelet that is
>>soon pulled tight, stretched to the bedposts and wrapped tightly. One on
>>each ankle. No matter how I tighten my muscles as he wraps the rope, still
>>it is perfectly tight. The circulation moves.
>>The ankle does not.
>>
>>I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
>>going to whip my breasts.
>>
>>But first, two small wooden clothespins bob before my eyes. I turn my
>>head, remember I am instructed to watch, turn back. The clothespins bite
>>the delicate flesh of each nipple. Grasp. Sting. Burn. He waits.
>>
>>My Master knows me. Knows he can whip me, clothespins and all. Knows the
>>pain, where it will hurt the most, what I can and cannot take.
>>He waits.
>>
>>The burning increases as the pins are removed. Ah, he will not whip me
>>with clothespins in place. But the moment when I was unsure, when the
>>blood pounded in my temples and the fear covered me like a shroud, then he
>>watched my eyes.
>>
>>The whip falls. Which one is it now? I cannot turn my head to see which he
>>reaches for. But I know them all. I arch my back, try to stay still.
>>
>>My Master knows me. Knows I will hold position as long as possible, before
>>the pain forces me to writhe, to turn, to try in vain to shield my
>>breasts. Knows the moment when I can no longer stay still. And precisely
>>then, says gently, "Don't move."
>>
>>My Master holds the rope just so. Gently tugging at the knots, to release
>>arms and legs from bondage. Gently unwraps each wrist, each ankle. Rubs
>>each, and kisses the places where the rope has left its mark. The gag is
>>removed. I swallow.
>>
>>"Kneel."
>>
>>I crouch on the bed, head down, ass up, as he mounts the bed behind me.
>>His hands caress my ass softly, then spank sharply. Slowly, quickly, his
>>hand falls upon my ass. I wait for the moment, the pain/pleasure as he
>>will enter me. But not yet. First a gentle tapping, soft touch, as he
>>marks the place the cane will fall. I brace myself, plead with myself to
>>hold position, knowing each stroke brings a fire hotter than any flame.
>>
>>Five strokes. Six. I have not moved. As the pain from each begins to
>>subside, a soft, half-sob. "Thank you, Master."
>>
>>Eight. Nine. My knees give out, and I fall to the bed, sobbing. But
>>immediately back on my knees again. "Thank you, Master."
>>
>>Ten. I am aware of nothing, save the pain. And his voice, as I am
>>commanded to orgasm, not from stimulation, not from his fingers or his
>>cock, but from pain alone. My body responds without hesitation. My
>>pleasure is screamed out for his pleasure.
>>
>>Later, I will feel his cock inside me. I will feel the force as he thrusts
>>deep into me, bruising the tender flesh with his strength. Later I will
>>come, and come, and come, but only by his command. Later, we will lie
>>back, exhausted, as he cradles me in his arms, strokes me gently, whispers
>>in my ear.
>>
>>But not yet.
>>
>>Now he rises from the bed, returns to the toys so carefully laid out before me.
>>
>>My Master holds the rope just so.
>>
>>Sara Schwartz aka Perrrfect
>>
>> ~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~
>>
>>Everyone be sure to read Sara's recipe for "Fist F*cking" further down in this
>>group of archives!! BTW can anyone imagine a beast like this:
>>http://www.westword.com/issues/2000-08-10/news/feature3_2.gif
>>http://www.westword.com/issues/2000-08-10/news/feature3_4.gif
>> "Fist F*cking" herself. I could drive my Jeep up in her and park it! :-)
>>
>
>My goodness; what a homely slovenly woman. I would venture to guess Sara is an
>aged prostitute with no clientele. Many prostitutes start out young to support a
>drug addiction and they all go down hill. They start getting uglier and fatter
>and then they are driven into porn. Any of these sluttish women bearing
>offspring often have children with physical or mental disabilities. This Salzman
>woman is on her last lap judging by her pictures if those are really her.
>Whoever the woman is she looks repulsive and all used up. Surely those pictures
>are someone's idea of a gag because they made me gag. A woman who looks as
>hardcore as the woman in the pictures and a woman who would visualize having her
>mammary glands lashed has to be a slut whose genitals crawl with crotch crickets
>and worms. Truly disgusting.
That ugly hag is a real person and her name is Sara Salzman. She is into S&M
torture bondage and she does have two kids who she has claimed are "gifted"
which is a code phrase normally used for retarded children.
I.E.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/208018d1427bea85?fwc=1
(Archived locally as: SDSchildrenRetarted)
From: Sara <cata...@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Psycho Sara and Susie, the 40 yr old Welch MALE plumber
Date: 08 Feb 2001 21:39:42 GMT
Message-ID: <catamont-D20A99...@news.concentric.net>
"Both of my children test in the 95% percentile for their ages. Neither
is retarted, severely or not. Both are in the "gifted" programs at their
respective schools..."
<<Tavish comment January 28, 2006: You are trying to compare apples to oranges.
Your children may be in the 95% percentile (which I doubt seeing how you are a
proven liar) at their respective schools BUT that doesn't mean they are as
"bright" as kids not in special education. Face reality Sara- you popped out two
"gifted" children so what does that say about you and your lifestyle?>>
<END>
New addition for January 28, 2006: I notice that you referred to both of your
children as "gifted" and I have maintained the fact that "gifted" means special
education etc. which you and your fellow mental cases have jeered but here is my
essential proof that "gifted" is a euphemism for retardation, special education
etc.
http://www.google.com/search?as_q=gifted+&num=20&hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=developmental+disability&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=lang_en&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&as_rights=&safe=images
(Archived locally as: GiftedEqualDevelopmentalDisability. Use this link if the
above long link gets destroyed: http://tinyurl.com/83ve3 )
Web Results 1 - 20 of about 24,300 English pages for gifted "developmental
disability".
Sample returns:
NPS Special and Gifted Education
Gifted | Disabilities. Categories of Disabilities ... Autism - A developmental
disability significantly affecting verbal and non-verbal communication and ...
http://www.nps.k12.va.us/sged/studch_disab.htm - 18k
Special Education Journals
ERIC Clearinghouse on Disabilities and Gifted Education ... *Journal of
Intellectual and Developmental Disability Carfax Publishing Taylor & Francis,
Inc. ... http://ericec.org/fact/journals.html - 33k
LMSD: Pupil Services
(Definitions from Guidelines: Education of Mentally Gifted Students (1995). ...
Autism/pervasive developmental disorder is a developmental disability ...
http://www.lmsd.org/district_info/pupil/definitions.php - 21k
SNOW Kids Empowerment Zone
Kids' Camps - Provides a list of Developmental Disability Camps grouped ...
for children who have developmental disabilities who are gifted/talented, ...
http://snow.utoronto.ca/snowkids/active/camps_developmental.html - 10k
<<Tavish comment January 28, 2006: The above type of camp is where your daughter
was in July of 2003 most likely.>>
Resources for Parents of Special Needs Children
Gifted Children. Mental/Developmental Disability. Physical Disability.
Reading/Communication Disability. Sexuality. Speech/Language Impairment ...
http://www.boscbooks.com/resources.html
<End of GOOGLE Example Returns>
As the above proves: Gifted = Special Education in most cases and for a fact in
the case of Sara's two offspring. Care to remain in denial Sara? You are the
"gifted" mother of not one but two "gifted" children and here you are admitting
that you, yourself are "gifted":
On 07 Jul 2003 01:31:53 GMT, Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
"How many times do I have to tell you-- I AM RETARDED!!!"
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Message ID: <catamont-548CA8...@spectator.sj.sys.us.xo.net>
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/9d9e9b42701ff692?fwc=1
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/9d9e9b42701ff692?dmode=source
Date: 07 Jul 2003 01:31:53 GMT (Archived locally as: RetardSara and RetardSara2)
Moving on:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/3df6a3a9bdacd77f?fwc=1
(Archived locally as: SDSchildAustistic)
From: Sara <cata...@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Hello Sara
Date: 2000/03/10
Message-ID: <catamont-100...@ts011d23.den-co.concentric.net>
"My SON has a developmental disability, and I may have posted his name back
in the days when Matt Giwer insisted that NO ONE with autism could talk.
He knew that because he had "hugged" an autistic child once." <END>
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/85e6ad77089b2d31?fwc=1
(Archived locally as: SDSsonRetarded)
From: Sara <cata...@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: SO PSYCHOSARA LIKES TO BRAG ABOUT HOW EXPENSIVE HER HOUSE IS
Date: 12 Mar 2002 02:32:51 GMT
Message-ID: <catamont-4E4405...@news.concentric.net>
In article <d96c00cd.02031...@posting.google.com>,
psych...@mindless.com (Sara is a Psycho) wrote:
> QUESTION ABOUT YOUR MORALS:
>
> YOU CLAIM I AM TRAILER TRASH... BUT UNLIKE YOU, I DON'T HAVE A
> MENTALLY RETARDED AUTISTIC KID.
I don't have a mentally-retarded kid either.
<<Tavish comment May 20, 2003: According to the material below you do! So stop
remaining in denial!>>
> WOULD YOU TRADE THAT "NICE HOUSE" OF YOURS FOR A SINGLE-WIDE TRAILER
> IF IT MEANT ARI GETTING "CURED" OF HIS AUTISM (CAUSED BY YOUR BEHAVIOR
> AND GENETICS). JUST PRETEND GOD IS GIVING YOU THE CHOICE.
Autism is a neurological disorder. There is no "cure" for it. My son has
been treated since he was first diagnosed. And I'm certain that his
treatment has cost a great deal more than your trailer.
<<Tavish comment May 20, 2003: Your bigotry toward people who live in mobile
homes is noted BUT that won't make the truth your son is retarded go away!>>
~~End of GOOGLE Archive~~
I pity your children because they had no choice of the beasts who lacked self
control and who brought them into the world BUT I think if you would have had a
more moral and clean past then your two offspring would not be "gifted" as you
put it!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/1d2822c37f3e0034?fwc=1
(Archived locally as: NizkorsNemesis)
Subject: All My Opposition Can Do Is Make Personal Attacks aka Re: Autism is
Mental Illness and Sara Salzman Backs Herself Into a Corner (As Usual)! aka Re:
Why is Scott Bradbury so Ignorant?
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 00:20:46 -0600
Message-ID: <hu882ug94vcqltti0...@4ax.com>
On Sat, 22 Dec 2001 01:32:46 GMT, <3c25e17b....@news.abccom.bc.ca>
kle...@netbbistro.com (Ken Lewis) wrote:
>On Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:02:43 -0600, _Nizkor's Nemesis_
><t-a-v-i-...@i--x.n-e--t-c--o-m.c--o-mRemoveHyphensToMail>
>wrote:
>
>>On 21 Dec 2001 16:30:02 GMT,
>><catamont-C91B5D...@news.concentric.net> Sara
>><cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>>>Got that? "Autism is not a mental illness."
>>
>>Other sources disagree with you Sara!
>>Here is what the National Institute of Mental Health says
>
>[snip]
You just can't let the facts get in the way can you Lewis?
I faithfully restore for the sake of the archives precisely what you deleted and
wish to ignore:
<START>
<<<In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is
distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed
a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit
research and educational purposes only. - FAIR USE INTENDED>>>
Here is what the National Institute of Mental Health says:
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/numbers.cfm
Mental Disorders in America
Mental disorders are common in the United States and internationally. An
estimated 22.1 percent of Americans ages 18 and older—about 1 in 5 adults—suffer
from a diagnosable mental disorder in a given year.
Many people suffer from more than one mental disorder at a given time.
In the U.S., mental disorders are diagnosed based on the Diagnostic and
Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, fourth edition (DSM-IV).
[...]<Many mental disorders deleted>
Autism affects an estimated 1 to 2 per 1,000 people. Autism and related
disorders (also called autism spectrum disorders or pervasive developmental
disorders) develop in childhood and generally are apparent by age 3.
Autism is about 4 times more common in boys than girls. Girls with the disorder,
however, tend to have more severe symptoms and greater cognitive impairment.
<END>
If autism is not a mental disorder or a mental illness as some people call it
then why would the "National Institute of Mental Health" be listing it?
http://www.nami.org/illness/
National Alliance for the Mentally Ill
At the heart of NAMI's mission is the sharing of information with consumers
(i.e., persons with mental illnesses), their families, friends, mental health
professionals, and the general public. NAMI educates all people about severe and
persistent mental illnesses to eliminate stigma and promote access to integrated
systems of care, education, and rehabilitation.
Illnesses:
Anorexia nervosa
Anxiety disorder
ADHD
Autism/Asperger's
Autism and Asperger's syndrome: Autism is classified as one of the most
pervasive developmental disorders of the brain. ...
<end>
http://www.nami.org/campaign/statepar.htm
National Alliance for the Mentally Ill
State Mental Illness Parity Laws
Overview of State Parity Laws
Officially designated "The Decade of the Brain," the 1990s brought unprecedented
federal and state legislation to end health insurance discrimination against
individuals with mental illnesses. After the Mental Health Parity Act of 1996
was signed into law, the momentum shifted to the states.
[...]
California
1999
Provides for persons of any age equal coverage for severe mental illnesses,
including schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, major depressive disorders,
schizoaffective disorder, panic disorder, obsessive-compulsive disorder,
autism...
<end>
http://www.nmha.org/infoctr/factsheets/73.cfm
National Mental Health Association
What is Autism?
Autism is one of the mental, emotional, and behavioral disorders that appears in
early childhood. Autistic children may have a serious lifelong disability.
However, with appropriate treatment and training, some autistic children can
develop certain aspects of independence in their lives. Parents should support
their autistic children in developing those skills that use their strengths so
they will feel good about themselves.
What Are the Signs Of Autism?
When an infant or toddler:
-does not cuddle or respond to affection and touching.
-does not make eye contact.
-appears to be unable to communicate.
-displays persistent failure to develop two-way social relationships in any
situation.
-does not show a preference for parents over other adults.
-does not develop friendships with other children.
-has poor language skills; or nonexistent ones.
-shows unusual, extreme responses to objects either avoidance or preoccupation.
-finds moving objects, such as a fan, hold great fascination.
-may form an unusual attachment to odd objects such as a paper or rubberband.
-displays repetitive activities of a restrictive range.
-spins and repeats body movements, such as arm flapping.
-may repeat television commercials.
-may indulge in complex bedtime rituals.
The symptoms of autism range from mild to severe. Although symptoms of the
disorder sometimes can be seen in early infancy, the condition may appear after
months of normal development. About 7 in every 10 children and adolescents with
autism also have mental retardation..
<<How about that fact Sara? Doc Tavish comment>>
What Causes Autism?
Researchers are unsure about what causes autism. Several studies suggest that
autistic disorder might be caused by a combination of biological factors,
including exposure to a virus before birth, a problem with the immune system, or
genetics.
<<Tavish comment May 20, 2003: See that genetics Sara? Did the atmosphere of
drugs/drinking/S&M Torture etc. give you "gifted" children? You can't deny you
have been visited by Children's Protective Services either! I.E.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/6d4a3376dbc660ec?fwc=1
(Archived locally as: SDSliesAgainCPS)
From: Sara <cata...@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Sara Salzman pro-abortion,sexual sadist, and pervert...
Date: 17 Apr 2002 21:14:38 GMT
Message-ID: <catamont-63AD8B...@news.concentric.net>
"Mr. Blakely likes to trumpet that I was "investigated" by Children's Protective
Services, which is true.">>
New Additions January 28, 2006 which shows what a liar Sara Salzman truly is:
Compare what was stated above: "Mr. Blakely likes to trumpet that I was
"investigated" by Children's Protective Services, which is true." to what
follows to see what a pathological liar Sara Salzman is:
"There's no such thing as "CPS" ... No agency in the Denver area has received a
single complaint." <catamont-BA1794...@news.concentric.net>
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/157dca3f76af2895?fwc=1
(Archived locally as SaraAffidavitPerjury_2)
"I don't live in the "Denver" area, Moron. And since there is no such
thing as "CPS" in my area, no charges could have been filed with
CPS." Message-ID: <catamont-43EDE7...@news.concentric.net>
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/msg/bf00819e583d4a38?fwc=1
(Archived locally as SaraAffidavitPerjury_3)
<<Tavish comment January 28, 2006 regarding your lie: "I don't live in the
"Denver" area, Moron" your "township is almost completely engulfed by Denver!
Care to deny it now you perjurious swine?>>
Xref: ~~Sara Salzman's "CPS" Affidavit Perjury Documented~~
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/ddf877bf49b153c2?fwc=1
Subject: Sara Salzman's Affidavit Perjury. One Example of Criminality Revealed.
Message-ID: <o3vfe1tnijjcpqq44...@4ax.com>
Date: 27 Jul 2005 22:18:07 GMT
Sara Salzman's poor damage control and diversion countered with:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/6ffc6ccf93e09d37?fwc=1
Subject: Re: Sara Salzman's Affidavit Perjury. One Example of Criminality
Revealed.
Message-ID: <9qphe1ttfrdjeu9hs...@4ax.com>
References: <o3vfe1tnijjcpqq44...@4ax.com>
<catamont-18678C...@news.giganews.com>
Date: 28 Jul 2005 14:18:58 GMT
More examples of Sara lying about CPS is given in the proofs that she lied about
making those Fisting and S&M posts at the very bottom of this post.
End of January 28, 2006 New Additions
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<END>
Would drug abuse be a factor I wonder? It should figure in as a biological or
genetic factor. Many studies have been made about genetic damage from drug
abuse! Care to deny it anyone? We all know for a fact Sara Salzman admitted drug
abuse in her family arrangement too!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/208018d1427bea85?fwc=1
(Archived locally as: SDSdruggieHome)
From: Sara <cata...@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: Psycho Sara and Susie, the 40 yr old Welch MALE plumber
Date: 08 Feb 2001 21:39:42 GMT
Message-ID: <catamont-D20A99...@news.concentric.net>
[...]
Both of my children test in the 95% percentile for their ages. Neither
is retarted, severely or not. Both are in the "gifted" programs at their
respective schools..
<<It is now established that your son has autism so your argument:
"Both of my children test in the 95% percentile for their ages. Neither
is retarted.." is specious especially when the National Mental Health
Association has made known: "About 7 in every 10 children and adolescents
with autism also have mental retardation" (cited above) I charged before
that your saying ""gifted" programs at their respective schools" was a
euphemism and all of your pals attacked me for stating the truth! Well I
just gave you a heavy dose of reality! Now stop being in denial! Doc Tavish
comment>>
The funniest part of this is that, although I do smoke cigarettes (as
did my ex-husband), HE was the one who abused drugs. I removed the kids
from a houseful of it.
<<Too late! Like ducking after the cannon goes off! The genetics of the drug
abuser were a factor in the birth of your children!! Doc Tavish comment>>
<<Tavish comment January 28, 2006: You claim only your husband abused drugs but
how do you explain this post you made?
"Please let me know what drugs you're taking. They sound wonderful!" - Sara
Salzman Message-ID: <schwartz-180...@cmh-p028.infinet.com>
(Archived locally as: SaraSplainsAll_3 and SaraSplainsAll_4) Looks like you were
doing whatever right along side the father of your two "gifted" children.>>
~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~
Another new addition for January 28, 2006:
Sara Salzman stated that her "gifted" daughter was at camp in the summer of 2003
in the San Antonio area and here is what was most likely the camp she was at
during the time frame:
http://www.tsbvi.edu/Education/camps.htm
(Archived locally as: SDScamp)
Camp C.A.M.P.
P. O. Box 27086
San Antonio, TX 78227
Session Dates:
Sunday - Friday
June 12-17, 2005: Physical and/or Medical Disability
June 19-24, 2005: MR/Seizures/PDD
June 26-July 1: Autism
^^^^^^
Web address: www.campcamp.org
Ages served: 5 - 21
Children’s Association for Maximum Potential (CAMP) provides a wide range of
recreational, rehabilitative, educational, and respite services for children
with developmental disabilities and their families.
<END>
The above was the schedule for 2005 but I bet it was different for 2003!
Remember this Sara?
<start/quote>
>> >> >> >Mileage from Denver to MY DAUGHTER'S SUMMER CAMP IN THE HILL COUNTRY
>> >> >> >is about 800 miles. That's not 3000 miles, Moron.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Your round trip was about 3,000 miles and your trip was to "visit" me
>> >> >> or have you forgotten!? The archive above proves once again that you are a
>> >> >> liar!
>> >> >
>> >> >No it isn't. No it doesn't.
>> >> >
>> >> >Try this, Asshole:
>> >> >
>> >> >http://tinyurl.com/78qp8
>> >> >
>> >> >Denver to Austin. 960 miles. HINT: I live SOUTH of Denver and her camp
>> >> >is NORTH of Austin.
>>
>> I thought you came from San Antonio!
>
>I did.
San Antonio is NOT NORTH of Austin you dumb pig so is that now four lies you
have been caught in!?
>The fact that I gave Austin mileage is simply used as an example.
<end/quote>
Xref: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/e5a29037c5e168c8?fwc=1
Subject: Sara Salzman Caught in Third New Lie (Possibly Four Lies) in the past
24 Hours!!! aka Re: Scott Bradbury Continues to Demonstrate his Psychosis
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:01:12 -0500
Message-ID: <d0krg15oqh52942qr...@4ax.com>
Tavish
Proofs Sara Salzman as Sara Schwartz did in fact post Fisting and S&M Torture
Porn:
~~Sara Salzman Caught Lying About her Fisting and S&M Postings~~
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/8d45deebd3f9ecf2?fwc=1
Subject: V2.0b Sara "The Fist" Salzman's Attempt at Revisionism FAILS- She Wrote
The FIST Postings! Date: 17 Dec 2003 19:40:10 GMT
Message-ID: <hpa1uv0m63koaqbo4...@4ax.com>
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/e899d098f6e21d41?fwc=1
Subject: Re: V2.0b Sara "The Fist" Salzman's Attempt at Revisionism FAILS- She
Wrote The FIST Postings! Date: 18 Dec 2003 06:13:32 GMT
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Despite overwhelming evidence Sara "The Fist" will keep repeating
her lies and remain in denial.
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/5bc0e5365a935cd0?fwc=1
Subject: Sara "The Fist" Salzman Now Claims Those Fisting Posts are Her Sex
Life!!! (Classic Repost Originally Posted December 22, 2003)
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Date: 27 Jul 2005 21:16:04 GMT
Compare a snippet from the above to the second snippet to see how Sara has
been caught lying about her fisting and s&m postings!
First Snippet:
> Beaver Cleaver <beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:04:45 -0700,
>> <catamont-9743CA...@news-60.giganews.com> Sara Salzman
>> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>> >[ALTERED AND FORGED HEADERS DELETED]
>>
>> ---Sara Salzman's irony of pointing out features on posts she claims don't
>> exist. If they don't exist and never existed then why does she know so much
>> about them!?
Second Snippet:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/1eff49e9514d013a?fwc=1
(Archived locally as: SaraNdenial)
Message-ID: <catamont-A5678F...@news-60.giganews.com>
> >[FORGED, ALTERED POSTS DELETED]
>
> FORGED, ALTERED!? I did no such thing you lying pig! Those are YOUR posts so
> I did not forge them! THAT IS FACT!
No it isn't. One of your cronies sent them to you and said there were in
the google archives. But they aren't, are they?
~~End of GOOGLE Archival Snippet~~
In December 2003 you were claiming concerning your S&M posts: "One of your
cronies sent them to you and said there were in the google archives" (which they
were because I verified them, gave the links, and had the wisdom to archive
them) "But they aren't, are they?" because you NUKED them.
Here you are singing different tunes earlier in time concerning "My Master Holds
The Ropes Just So (poem)":
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/20ff221c81044eec?fwc=1
(Archived locally as: SaraProvesSandMexists_1)
From: Sara <cata...@concentric.net>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Don Lies Yet Again
Date: 14 Dec 2001 00:42:32 GMT
Message-ID: <catamont-EF986E...@news.concentric.net>
> > In <8S1S7.6801$Xs4.738...@feed.centurytel.net> in alt.revisionism, on
> > Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:34:50 -0600, "GassenBurnham"
> > <cte60...@centurytel.net> wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > I believe McVay is connected to her ring of Masters. This whole
> > > matter goes much deeper than Sara and Cougar, because several
> > > people here are too quick in defending Sara. Plus the victim status
> > > Sara desires so much is all part of the S&M theme. I fell her
> > > children are in serious emotional and physical danger from possible
> > > viewing and partaking in these sexual perversions.
[...]
You're a liar, Don, and you always have been.
Nothing you say changes that. You have a vile history of lying and
harassing, and the worst you think you can do to me is resurrect
6-year-old fantasy posts and pretend outrage.
You've claimed at least 5 times that you "called DHS" or whatever other
acronym you want to use. You haven't done it, and you're not going to.
<<Tavish comment: I will expand more on Sara's statement above (concerning
"DHS") which is further proof Sara Salzman perjured herself against me in a
failed civil lawsuit against me.>>
~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~
You claimed in 2003 regarding the posts: "One of your cronies sent them to you
and said there were in the google archives." YET earlier in time you claimed:
"the worst you think you can do to me is resurrect 6-year-old fantasy posts" to
which I say if those posts didn't exist then how could they have been
resurrected? You also didn't deny making "My Master Holds The Ropes Just So
(poem)" poem in this archive and you also claimed as your dodge that it was
fantasy:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/c8dcee3152cf9fec?fwc=1
(Archived locally as: BizarreSara)
From: Sara <cata...@concentric.net>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,
Subject: Re: The Bizarre behavior of Sara Salzman
Date: 30 Apr 2002 15:19:14 GMT
Message-ID: <catamont-52E981...@news.concentric.net>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.155.170.163
User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC)
In article <7b1tcu41mqb6vsncg...@4ax.com>, Voice of
Reason <voiceo...@blakely.DELETEharrogate.net> wrote:
> On 30 Apr 2002 03:01:36 GMT, Sara "The Fist" Salzman
> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
> <deletia from manic rantings>
>
> One defender of child abuse lying another child abuser.
>
> Fact:
Lie
> Sara Salzman post sexual torture and bondage stories for little kids
> to read. An example of her writings: This is when she was Sara
> Schwartz before dumping that husband for the superman Aryan she brags
> out. What a piece of garbage.
>
> From: ssch...@infinet.com
> Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage,
> Subject: My Master Holds The Ropes Just So (poem)
> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 1995 14:49:12 -0500
Fantasy fiction.
~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~
You certainly didn't deny making the post back then did you Sara!?
Here is proof where YOUR posts were "resurrected" as you put it and my getting
the links to them and posting the links:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/4bbd6e665c934d2d
(Archived locally as: GOOGLEexpands)
From: Mike Kalvatis <mkal...@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Google expands it's base and reveals Sara even more!!
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:08:36 -0500
Organization: Mike Kalvatis
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NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:08:52 +0000 (UTC)
<body of post starts with>
From: ssch...@infinet.com
Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
Subject: My Master Holds The Ropes Just So (poem)
Date: Sun, 05 Feb 1995 14:49:12 -0500
Organization: InfiNet
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NNTP-Posting-Host: p21.infinet.com
My Master holds the rope just so.
[...]
~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~
Proof I got all the GOOGLE links to those posts at the time:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/7f1bb2cae82f33ad
(Archived locally as: GOOGLElinksSupplied)
From: T-A-V <RemoveAllHYPH...@ix.ne-tc-om.com>
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Google expands it's base and reveals Sara even more!!
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:53:44 -0600
Message-ID: <ji1d1uchvhovhq0vc...@4ax.com>
References: <qctc1uo4s3qdov4m7...@4ax.com>
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X-Server-Date: 11 Dec 2001 22:53:16 GMT
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On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:05:00 -0600, <aa0d1ucdf9q9mlc9s...@4ax.com>
T-A-V <RemoveAllHYPH...@ix.ne-tc-om.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:08:36 -0500, <qctc1uo4s3qdov4m7...@4ax.com>
>Mike Kalvatis <mkal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>sschwartz-050...@p21.infinet.com
>
>For a fact that Message ID yields:
>http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=%20&as_umsgid=sschwartz-050...@p21.infinet.com&num=20&hl=en
>From: ssch...@infinet.com
>Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
>Subject: My Master Holds The Ropes Just So (poem)
>Date: Sun, 05 Feb 1995 14:49:12 -0500
~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~
Even Ken McVay verified "My Master Holds The Ropes Just So (poem)" is YOURS!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/eed8a94c0cac521e?fwc=1
Subject: Ken McVay Agrees With Us That "My Master Holds The Ropes Just So" is
"Sara's story"... Message-ID: <qjtn01dbb9pgck7g7...@4ax.com>
Date: 11 Feb 2005 00:18:26 GMT
Now to the remark I made about your perjury against me (as shown above): "You've
claimed at least 5 times that you "called DHS" or whatever other acronym you
want to use. You haven't done it, and you're not going to." AND you also have
stated: <catamont-BA1794...@news.concentric.net>
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/157dca3f76af2895?fwc=1
(Archived locally as SaraAffidavitPerjury_2)
<start/quote>
> Sara Salzman now hangs herself:
>
> >1. There's no such thing as "CPS"
>
> Not according to YOUR previous sworn testimony and not according
> to Yale's submission! Are you admitting to making false statements?
>
> >2. No agency in the Denver area has received a single complaint.
>
> Not according to YOUR previous sworn testimony and not according
> to Yale's submission! Are you admitting to making false statements?
[...]
Xref:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/2a9ac9f23657958b?fwc=1
Subject: Sara Salzman Caught in More Lies. She Lied About Never Posting Using an
Anonymous Remailer Among Other Lies I Now Document aka Re: My Master Holds The
Ropes Just So (poem) U_0122
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Date: 22 Jan 2006 22:58:53 GMT
THUS SPOKE SARA SALZMAN - Sara's Fisting and S&M Posts Unedited
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/d8e53f32472be522?fwc=1
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:30:24 GMT
Message-ID: <42bd5c55...@news20.forteinc.com>
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/aa0bb25abdd0f236?fwc=1
Date: 5 Feb 2004 13:55:58 GMT
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Joe Bruno
Beaver Cleaver wrote:
> Classic Repost as relevant today as it was in 2003. Links updated January 2006.
> Not all links in the older archives may work. I can't do anything about those
> links today which are embedded in older archives.
>
>
Aren't you the one who complains about "personal attack", moron?
Beaver Cleaver
<1138452709.1...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "Joe Bruno"
<br...@indystart.com> wrote:
Posting documented facts and what Sara Salzman herself has stated is not
personal attacks.
Live with it!
Tavish
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/345c6d04bdaa93e4?fwc=1
Subject: Did Sara "The Fist" Salzman's S&M/Drug HomeLife Result in Two "GIFTED"
Children? I.E. Genetics/Lifestyles? V2.0
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Date: 28 Jan 2006 08:50:39 GMT