Hello Sara
Brimstone
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$kr1p7...@tranquil.hegemony.ca
> How are the kids Ari and Rene doing these days.
Is this an attempt at intimidating Sara through mention of her children??
If so, you are DISGUSTING. Go find another newsgroup to poison. Your
contributions are not wanted, needed, or even helpful here.
--
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"The real meaning of the official U.S./Israel 'peace process' is a process
of entrapment in an apartheid system that encloses Palestinians in their
ghettos, denying them the possibility of real autonomous development."
-Rosemary Ruether, Catholic feminist theologian
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www.geocities.com/pentagon/bunker/1022 swan_...@my-dejanews.com
Sara Salzman
$kr1p7...@tranquil.hegemony.ca wrote:
>Brimstone <mr_brimsto...@excite.com.invalid> wrote:
>> How are the kids Ari and Rene doing these days.
>
>
>Is this an attempt at intimidating Sara through mention of her children??
Why yes, it is! So was the naming of all my neighbors.
Unfortunately for "Brimstone," it's not going to work. His posting of my
personal information is not going to silence ot intimidate me.
>
>If so, you are DISGUSTING. Go find another newsgroup to poison. Your
>contributions are not wanted, needed, or even helpful here.
>
However, it DOES demonstrate quite clearly the agenda of the neo-Nazis
like Don Ellis, Pat Blakely, and David Michael, doesn't it?
Sara
David E Michael
Sara Salzman wrote:
More defamation from Ms Salzman. I have publicly criticized 'Nazism'.
David
On 5 February 2000 William Daffer wrote: 'total honesty isn't required'.
On 21 November 1998 Scot Murphy wrote: 'Yes, these are newsgroups I lurked
through--though never contributed to'.
On 30 January 2000 Michael Ragland wrote: 'I must admit I have at times done
revisionist postings to confuse others and help the anti-revisionist side.
How so, well I've stated the Nazis killed millions of Jews but Hitler didn't
know about it! I realize that by acknowledging the Nazis killed millions of
Jew, even if I have demonstrated there is no proof Hitler knew about the
extermination, I have caused some damage to revisionists.'
On 8 February 2000 Michael Ragland wrote: 'Sometimes telling half-truths,
white lies, etc. is important for self-preservation and to achieve certain
ends.'
Sara Salzman
<david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>Sara Salzman wrote:
>
>> In article <xtbx4.2390$NU5.1...@news0.telusplanet.net>,
>> $kr1p7...@tranquil.hegemony.ca wrote:
>>
>> >Brimstone <mr_brimsto...@excite.com.invalid> wrote:
>> >> How are the kids Ari and Rene doing these days.
>> >
>> >
>> >Is this an attempt at intimidating Sara through mention of her children??
>>
>> Why yes, it is! So was the naming of all my neighbors.
>>
>> Unfortunately for "Brimstone," it's not going to work. His posting of my
>> personal information is not going to silence ot intimidate me.
>>
>> >
>> >If so, you are DISGUSTING. Go find another newsgroup to poison. Your
>> >contributions are not wanted, needed, or even helpful here.
>> >
>> However, it DOES demonstrate quite clearly the agenda of the neo-Nazis
>> like Don Ellis, Pat Blakely, and David Michael, doesn't it?
>>
>> Sara
>
>More defamation from Ms Salzman. I have publicly criticized 'Nazism'.
>
Do you approve of this posting of my children's names or not?
If you think I am defaming you, sue me, Dr. Michael. Otherwise, shut up.
Sara
John Baglow
> How are the kids Ari and Rene doing these days.
Another nazi coward heard from.
> Brimstone
<snicker> Ooooooooooo, what a scary nick! Why can't I control my laughter?
--
Cheers, Help, master, help! here's a fish hangs in the net,
John like a poor man's right in the law; 'twill hardly
come out. --Pericles, Act 2 Scene 1
$kr1p7...@tranquil.hegemony.ca
> However, it DOES demonstrate quite clearly the agenda of the neo-Nazis
> like Don Ellis, Pat Blakely, and David Michael, doesn't it?
No, it demonstrates the methods (not agenda) of a particular individual.
The validitiy of blaming a group for the actions of it's adherents is
a precedent I don't think you want to set.
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Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one.
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Sara Salzman
$kr1p7...@tranquil.hegemony.ca wrote:
>Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
>> However, it DOES demonstrate quite clearly the agenda of the neo-Nazis
>> like Don Ellis, Pat Blakely, and David Michael, doesn't it?
>
>No, it demonstrates the methods (not agenda) of a particular individual.
>
>The validitiy of blaming a group for the actions of it's adherents is
>a precedent I don't think you want to set.
>
>
>
I'm not mentioning a group. I'm mentioning three specific people who have
either posted personal information about me, or encouraged others.
<cue David Michael whining "Prove it.">
The method may be to post personal information. The agenda is to drive off
opposing views, and expose innocent people to ptential risk.
Sara
sjw
>
> Brimstone <mr_brimsto...@excite.com.invalid> wrote:
> : How are the kids Ari and Rene doing these days.
>
> : Brimstone
>
> Typical gutless Nazi. And picking on women and children as well.
>
> No wonder you people need to wear uniforms in order to feel "accepted".
>
> No wonder that the Nazis were obliterated - and will be again - should
> they ever arise.
>
> David Maddison
This episode has convinced me that the white separatists are right. I
believe people like Don Ellis, who thinks he is fooling everyone with
his little Brimstone nym, do not deserve to live amongst polite
society. I'm all for reserving some government land out west somewhere
for all the WPR's who want to separate themselves. Who the hell wants
scum like Ellis living with us? And they can take the David Michael's
and the Richard Phillips' of the world with them.
Steve
Mike Kalvatis
your own benefit Sara. I agree that is disgusting(posting your kids
names), but you are even more disgusting by trying to score points on
usenet by exploiting them for doing it.
Mike
On 07 Mar 2000 15:08:09 EST, cata...@concentric.net (Sara Salzman)
wrote:
>In article <38C55E45...@btinternet.com>, David E Michael
><david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>Sara Salzman wrote:
>>
>>> In article <xtbx4.2390$NU5.1...@news0.telusplanet.net>,
>>> $kr1p7...@tranquil.hegemony.ca wrote:
>>>
>>> >Brimstone <mr_brimsto...@excite.com.invalid> wrote:
>>> >> How are the kids Ari and Rene doing these days.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Is this an attempt at intimidating Sara through mention of her children??
>>>
>>> Why yes, it is! So was the naming of all my neighbors.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately for "Brimstone," it's not going to work. His posting of my
>>> personal information is not going to silence ot intimidate me.
>>>
>>> >
>>> >If so, you are DISGUSTING. Go find another newsgroup to poison. Your
>>> >contributions are not wanted, needed, or even helpful here.
>>> >
>>> However, it DOES demonstrate quite clearly the agenda of the neo-Nazis
>>> like Don Ellis, Pat Blakely, and David Michael, doesn't it?
>>>
Mike Kalvatis
Although I think posting your kids names is below the belt, you are
prompting them Sara, you really are.
Mike
On 07 Mar 2000 20:33:29 EST, cata...@concentric.net (Sara Salzman)
wrote:
>In article <L3fx4.2505$NU5.1...@news0.telusplanet.net>,
>$kr1p7...@tranquil.hegemony.ca wrote:
>
>>Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>>
>>> However, it DOES demonstrate quite clearly the agenda of the neo-Nazis
>>> like Don Ellis, Pat Blakely, and David Michael, doesn't it?
>>
dudalb
there you will understand why. .....If not read JRR Tolkiens descriptions of
Mordor in Lord of the RIngs and you have a pretty good description of the
land around Ely. The WPR;s can play Afrika Korps to their hearts content
there.....
BTW The posting of Sara Kid;s names is the lowest I have seen a Neo Nazi
stoop too yet. I am begging to think they are like Huckleberry Finn's Pappy,
the only way to refrom them is with a Shotgun.....
Brimstone
$kr1p7...@tranquil.hegemony.ca wrote:
>Brimstone <mr_brimsto...@excite.com.invalid> wrote:
>> How are the kids Ari and Rene doing these days.
>
>
>Is this an attempt at intimidating Sara through mention of her
children??
I was only being friendly. Sara just took it wrong.
Brimstone
>If so, you are DISGUSTING. Go find another newsgroup to
poison. Your
>contributions are not wanted, needed, or even helpful here.
>
>
>
>
>--
>................................................................
............
>
>"The real meaning of the official U.S./Israel 'peace process'
is a process
>of entrapment in an apartheid system that encloses Palestinians
in their
>ghettos, denying them the possibility of real autonomous
development."
>
> -Rosemary Ruether, Catholic feminist
theologian
>................................................................
............
>www.geocities.com/pentagon/bunker/1022 swan_daniel@my-
dejanews.com
Brimstone
Brimstone
David S. Maddison
: How are the kids Ari and Rene doing these days.
: Brimstone
David E Michael
Sara Salzman wrote:
> In article <38C55E45...@btinternet.com>, David E Michael
> <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> >Sara Salzman wrote:
> >
> >> In article <xtbx4.2390$NU5.1...@news0.telusplanet.net>,
> >> $kr1p7...@tranquil.hegemony.ca wrote:
> >>
> >> >Brimstone <mr_brimsto...@excite.com.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> How are the kids Ari and Rene doing these days.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Is this an attempt at intimidating Sara through mention of her children??
> >>
> >> Why yes, it is! So was the naming of all my neighbors.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately for "Brimstone," it's not going to work. His posting of my
> >> personal information is not going to silence ot intimidate me.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >If so, you are DISGUSTING. Go find another newsgroup to poison. Your
> >> >contributions are not wanted, needed, or even helpful here.
> >> >
> >> However, it DOES demonstrate quite clearly the agenda of the neo-Nazis
> >> like Don Ellis, Pat Blakely, and David Michael, doesn't it?
> >>
> >> Sara
> >
> >More defamation from Ms Salzman. I have publicly criticized 'Nazism'.
> >
> Do you approve of this posting of my children's names or not?
It seems fairly harmless to me. It was you who put them on the web.
>
> If you think I am defaming you, sue me, Dr. Michael.
Too expensive considering that you've not inflicted much damage.
> Otherwise, shut up.
>
No.
>
> Sara
David E Michael
David S. Maddison wrote:
> Brimstone <mr_brimsto...@excite.com.invalid> wrote:
> : How are the kids Ari and Rene doing these days.
>
> : Brimstone
>
> Typical gutless Nazi. And picking on women and children as well.
>
> No wonder you people need to wear uniforms in order to feel "accepted".
>
> No wonder that the Nazis were obliterated - and will be again - should
> they ever arise.
>
> David Maddison
Yet was it not your 'allies', the Russians, who raped literally millions of
German women as they swept down into Germany in 1945, O hypocrite?
David E Michael
John Baglow wrote:
>
<snip>
>
> <snicker> Ooooooooooo, what a scary nick! Why can't I control my laughter?
>
> --
> Cheers, Help, master, help! here's a fish hangs in the net,
> John like a poor man's right in the law; 'twill hardly
> come out. --Pericles, Act 2 Scene 1
Too much methylated spirits?
Orac
<m...@administrator.usna.net> wrote:
>Seems you are doing the same thing Sara, only you are fueling them on.
>Although I think posting your kids names is below the belt, you are
>prompting them Sara, you really are.
You *might* have a point that egging these morons on now is probably
counterproductive, but Don's response is still going way over the line
and completely unjustifiable. In any case, you would then still need to
explain: What, specifically, did Sara do to "prompt" Don to post her
address and phone number in the first place?
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."--Orac
a.k.a. |
David Gorski|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"--Orac again
Orac
>Sara Salzman wrote:
>> However, it DOES demonstrate quite clearly the agenda of the neo-Nazis
>> like Don Ellis, Pat Blakely, and David Michael, doesn't it?
>>
>> Sara
>
>More defamation from Ms Salzman. I have publicly criticized 'Nazism'.
As I recall, your criticism was not for the aims of Nazi-ism, but rather
only because Hitler's Nazis went too far and were too brutal and
therefore brought those aims into disrepute.
Orac
wrote:
>This episode has convinced me that the white separatists are right. I
>believe people like Don Ellis, who thinks he is fooling everyone with
>his little Brimstone nym, do not deserve to live amongst polite
>society. I'm all for reserving some government land out west somewhere
>for all the WPR's who want to separate themselves. Who the hell wants
>scum like Ellis living with us? And they can take the David Michael's
>and the Richard Phillips' of the world with them.
Why waste perfectly good land on the continental USA and spoil it by
putting white power rangers on it? Surely there must be some deserted
islands somewhere where these Brave Aryan Warriors can forge their
inbred little world and not bother the civilized world.
David E Michael
Orac wrote:
> In article <38C55E45...@btinternet.com>, David E Michael
> <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> >Sara Salzman wrote:
>
> >> However, it DOES demonstrate quite clearly the agenda of the neo-Nazis
> >> like Don Ellis, Pat Blakely, and David Michael, doesn't it?
> >>
> >> Sara
> >
> >More defamation from Ms Salzman. I have publicly criticized 'Nazism'.
>
> As I recall, your criticism was not for the aims of Nazi-ism, but rather
> only because Hitler's Nazis went too far and were too brutal and
> therefore brought those aims into disrepute.
>
> --
> Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."--Orac
> a.k.a. |
> David Gorski|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
> | inconvenience me with questions?"--Orac again
I'm not sure what 'the aims of Nazism' were. It occurs to me, as it did to
the Nuremberg Tribunal, that they changed through time. Some were good.
Others, like attacking Russia, were simply daft.
David E Michael
Orac wrote:
> In article <38C5B6CA...@erols.com>, sjw <sjw...@erols.com>
> wrote:
>
> >This episode has convinced me that the white separatists are right. I
> >believe people like Don Ellis, who thinks he is fooling everyone with
> >his little Brimstone nym, do not deserve to live amongst polite
> >society. I'm all for reserving some government land out west somewhere
> >for all the WPR's who want to separate themselves. Who the hell wants
> >scum like Ellis living with us? And they can take the David Michael's
> >and the Richard Phillips' of the world with them.
>
> Why waste perfectly good land on the continental USA and spoil it by
> putting white power rangers on it? Surely there must be some deserted
> islands somewhere where these Brave Aryan Warriors can forge their
> inbred little world and not bother the civilized world.
>
> --
> Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."--Orac
> a.k.a. |
> David Gorski|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
> | inconvenience me with questions?"--Orac again
Sounds like Dr Gorski is on the verge of becoming a supporter of the concept
of a white volkstaat!
Orac
<david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>Orac wrote:
>
>> In article <38C55E45...@btinternet.com>, David E Michael
>> <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> >More defamation from Ms Salzman. I have publicly criticized 'Nazism'.
>>
>> As I recall, your criticism was not for the aims of Nazi-ism, but rather
>> only because Hitler's Nazis went too far and were too brutal and
>> therefore brought those aims into disrepute.
>>
>I'm not sure what 'the aims of Nazism' were. It occurs to me, as it did to
>the Nuremberg Tribunal, that they changed through time. Some were good.
>Others, like attacking Russia, were simply daft.
Which specific aims of Nazi-ism were good, David? As far as I can
recall, you've never really given a straight answer to that question.
John Morris
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In <Orac-D65963.2...@news.earthlink.net> in
alt.revisionism, on Wed, 08 Mar 2000 04:03:29 GMT, Orac
<Or...@mac.com> wrote:
>In article <38C5D157...@btinternet.com>, David E Michael
><david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>Orac wrote:
>>> In article <38C55E45...@btinternet.com>, David E Michael
>>> <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> >More defamation from Ms Salzman. I have publicly criticized
>>> >'Nazism'.
>>> As I recall, your criticism was not for the aims of Nazi-ism, but
>>> rather only because Hitler's Nazis went too far and were too
>>> brutal and therefore brought those aims into disrepute.
>>I'm not sure what 'the aims of Nazism' were. It occurs to me, as it
>>did to the Nuremberg Tribunal, that they changed through time. Some
>>were good. Others, like attacking Russia, were simply daft.
>Which specific aims of Nazi-ism were good, David? As far as I can
>recall, you've never really given a straight answer to that
>question.
That one he actually answered:
<quote>
<cue male chorus humming "The Battle Hymn of the Repugnant">
National Socialism was a revolutionary movement that was based upon a
wonderful dream. Forget the stories of corpses for a moment, Mr G,
and imagine a world very different from the world we inhabit today.
Imagine a world free from the wars that have scarred the face of this
tired old planet since the beginning of time; a world with no extreme
poverty, with no disease, with no exploitation of worker by employer,
no jolting financial crises (with the misery that such crises entail)
- - -- a world united in a common purpose and a common vision. Imagine
a
world free from the old conflicts, where worker and employer strive
side-by-side for the common good, where 'Left' and 'Right' are mere
historical anachronisms, where nation works peacefully alongside
nation for the greater glory of all the earth. Imagine, if you will,
a world where, through a process of artificial genetic selection,
mankind has been enhanced to heights undreamed of: when, year by
year, mere human beings grow ever closer to becoming gods. Think of
the beauty of those people, of their art, their music, their
literature. Think of their levels of culture, their humanity, their
nobility. Now contrast this with the world that has been bequeathed
to our children as a result of that needless and miserable world war.
Just pick up a newspaper and look around you -- look at what your
'liberals' and your 'democrats' have left to them. Look at the
dull-eyed teenagers, drugged to their eyeballs, staggering around
bleak housing estates, their stereos blaring drum-beats! What do they
know of the glories of a Bruckner symphony, or the heart-rending
beauty of Nietzsche? What good have 'democracy' and 'liberalism' ever
done for them, Mr G? Answer me that! Look at Africa and Asia --
thousands upon thousands of square miles, characterized by war,
starvation, famine, massacre, corruption, decay, filth. What good
have 'freedom' and 'rights' ever done for the inhabitants of those
miserable regions? Answer me that! What good is 'freedom' to a man
who cannot afford to buy his daily bread? Tell me that, Mr G! Look at
the legacy of communism -- the blood red claw that, even today,
enslaves a quarter of the world's population. Think of the 200
million corpses -- people who died as victims of this evil claw, for
no good purpose whatsoever. Now can you honestly put your hand on
your heart and tell me, in all sincerity, sir, that you truly and
without reservation believe that the world you and your kind have
bequeathed to future generations -- the world that has given us
Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and the pathetic figure of William Jefferson
Clinton, who symbolizes all that is wrong with this earth -- that you
honestly believe that this world you have left for us is better than
our alternative? Can you honestly tell me that the dream of a
beautiful new world that I have outlined above -- the dream that
inspired countless thousands of young Europeans to flock to the
National Socialist banner -- is not worth fighting for? Can
you honestly tell me that it is not worth dying for?
</quote>
http://www.deja.com/=gh/getdoc.xp?AN=390244357
But David Michael says he is not a Nazi.
- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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David S. Maddison
[..]
: Why waste perfectly good land on the continental USA and spoil it by
: putting white power rangers on it? Surely there must be some deserted
: islands somewhere where these Brave Aryan Warriors can forge their
: inbred little world and not bother the civilized world.
And an added bonus would be that their extensive inbreeding would
eventually cause their demise. On the other hand, the examples of the
knuckle-dragging community that I have seen are unlikely to ever find a
breeding partner....which is why they support a culture of rape and
violence.
David Maddison
sjw
>
> In article <38C5B6CA...@erols.com>, sjw <sjw...@erols.com>
> wrote:
>
> >This episode has convinced me that the white separatists are right. I
> >believe people like Don Ellis, who thinks he is fooling everyone with
> >his little Brimstone nym, do not deserve to live amongst polite
> >society. I'm all for reserving some government land out west somewhere
> >for all the WPR's who want to separate themselves. Who the hell wants
> >scum like Ellis living with us? And they can take the David Michael's
> >and the Richard Phillips' of the world with them.
>
> putting white power rangers on it?
Who said anything about 'good' land? A brackish stream to pollute and a
small cave for shelter is more like what I had in mind. As long as they
don't have to look at anyone who might be different from them in some
respect, they'll be happy. As long as they're not living among us,
we'll be happy.
Steve
Surely there must be some deserted
> islands somewhere where these Brave Aryan Warriors can forge their
> inbred little world and not bother the civilized world.
>
Mike Kalvatis
the balls to use his real name while nazihunter hides behind an
anonymous newsserver. If you also remember, Sara refused to help put
an end to the nazihunter postings about Don, she refused to cooperate
in stopping the post(by her own admission) and in fact, kind of
gloated about it.
Sara has also done the same thing by putting up a name for that Rev
White poster (who I have never seen post one time in here except for
that instance). I bet it is like the Ronald Schoedel thing. I think
Sara has a lot of this to blame for herself, something she refuses to
admit.
Mike
ex-Jew
David E Michael
Orac wrote:
> In article <38C5D157...@btinternet.com>, David E Michael
> <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> >Orac wrote:
> >
> >> In article <38C55E45...@btinternet.com>, David E Michael
> >> <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> >> >More defamation from Ms Salzman. I have publicly criticized 'Nazism'.
> >>
> >> As I recall, your criticism was not for the aims of Nazi-ism, but rather
> >> only because Hitler's Nazis went too far and were too brutal and
> >> therefore brought those aims into disrepute.
> >>
> >I'm not sure what 'the aims of Nazism' were. It occurs to me, as it did to
> >the Nuremberg Tribunal, that they changed through time. Some were good.
> >Others, like attacking Russia, were simply daft.
>
> Which specific aims of Nazi-ism were good, David? As far as I can
> recall, you've never really given a straight answer to that question.
>
> --
> Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."--Orac
> a.k.a. |
> David Gorski|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
> | inconvenience me with questions?"--Orac again
See the famous 'forget the corpses' post: idealism, anti-communism, patriotism.
David E Michael
John Morris wrote:
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> In <Orac-D65963.2...@news.earthlink.net> in
> alt.revisionism, on Wed, 08 Mar 2000 04:03:29 GMT, Orac
> <Or...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <38C5D157...@btinternet.com>, David E Michael
> ><david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> >>Orac wrote:
>
> >>> In article <38C55E45...@btinternet.com>, David E Michael
> >>> <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> >>> >More defamation from Ms Salzman. I have publicly criticized
> >>> >'Nazism'.
>
> >>> As I recall, your criticism was not for the aims of Nazi-ism, but
> >>> rather only because Hitler's Nazis went too far and were too
> >>> brutal and therefore brought those aims into disrepute.
>
> >>I'm not sure what 'the aims of Nazism' were. It occurs to me, as it
> >>did to the Nuremberg Tribunal, that they changed through time. Some
> >>were good. Others, like attacking Russia, were simply daft.
>
> >Which specific aims of Nazi-ism were good, David? As far as I can
> >recall, you've never really given a straight answer to that
> >question.
>
More dishonesty from Mr Morris who dare not quote the whole thing. I gave
a list of what I saw as the good points and bad points of Nazism. Mr
Morris has acquired the habit of snipping the 'bad' points and posting
only the good points in order to smear me as a Nazi. In a nutshell, the
good points were patriotism, anti-communism, and idealism. The bad points
were brutality (although this needs to be seen in the context of the war),
some strange beliefs about race, the fuehrer principle.
Now perhaps we can enquire why Mr Morris feels it necessary to post only
part of what I wrote.
Perhaps he is applying the Daffer principle of 'total honesty isn't
sjw
I liked the part about 'artificial genetic selection'. They would breed
David Michael right out of existence. Unless they're aiming to clone
fat, loony cowards. Of course, the Nazi doesn't bother to tell us HOW
national socialism is going to bring about his utopia. Maybe he just
hasn't figured it out yet. Interesting, too, that he talks not about
just Britain, but about the world. I wonder what he plans to do about
all those black, brown, yellow and red people (not to mention the
majority of whites and all the Jews except the New Hampshire nutcase)
who are not likely to go along with his plans for the world. He had a
convenient plan for dealing with them in Britain, but I don't see any
evidence that he's considered other countries. Or maybe he's willing to
pay their relocation expenses to blast off into space. Or could he just
be thinking about blasting them period?
Steve
Buck Turgidson
> you seem to be taking advantage of them posting yours kids names for
> your own benefit Sara. I agree that is disgusting(posting your kids
> names), but you are even more disgusting by trying to score points on
> usenet by exploiting them for doing it.
What a wonderful no-win scenario you've tried to craft for Sara. You attack her
through her children and try to intimidate her. If she doesn't respond, you win.
If she defends herself, you attack her for defending herself. I always thought
schoolyard bullies eventually grew out of their childishness, but it appears I am
wrong.
Nazoid vermin.
-- --Dep
"Always tell the truth. It's the § "Truth is just...truth. You can't
easiest thing to remember." § have opinions about truth."
--David Mamet --Peter Schickele
Like short-haired women? Snotty comments? Penguins?
http://members.aol.com/deppitybob/shlu/PAGEONE.html
Buck Turgidson
> Seems you are doing the same thing Sara, only you are fueling them on.
> Although I think posting your kids names is below the belt, you are
> prompting them Sara, you really are.
Typical Nazoid logic. "It may have been wrong to gas the Jews, but boy those
Jews sure asked for it." Good one, vermin.
grandwazoo
> David S. Maddison wrote:
> >
> > Brimstone <mr_brimsto...@excite.com.invalid> wrote:
> > : How are the kids Ari and Rene doing these days.
> >
> > : Brimstone
> >
> > Typical gutless Nazi. And picking on women and children as well.
> >
> > No wonder you people need to wear uniforms in order to feel "accepted".
> >
> > No wonder that the Nazis were obliterated - and will be again - should
> > they ever arise.
> >
> > David Maddison
>
> This episode has convinced me that the white separatists are right. I
> believe people like Don Ellis, who thinks he is fooling everyone with
> his little Brimstone nym, do not deserve to live amongst polite
> society. I'm all for reserving some government land out west somewhere
> for all the WPR's who want to separate themselves. Who the hell wants
> scum like Ellis living with us? And they can take the David Michael's
> and the Richard Phillips' of the world with them.
>
> Steve
Out west! No way! We are civilized, even the Native Americans have junior
colleges and cultural centres. Please, their stench would foul the fresh air
and their presence would embarrass even the most radical militia members (a
very small minority). Just because we have airid lands and high summer time
temperatures, please don't confuse the place with Hell. I suggest instead we
give them the real deal, notwithstanding objections from the residents.
--
John Morris
Hash: SHA1
In <38C5E6DF...@btinternet.com> in alt.revisionism, on Wed, 08
Mar 2000 05:36:31 +0000, David E Michael
<david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>John Morris wrote:
>> In <Orac-D65963.2...@news.earthlink.net> in
>> alt.revisionism, on Wed, 08 Mar 2000 04:03:29 GMT, Orac
>> <Or...@mac.com> wrote:
>> >In article <38C5D157...@btinternet.com>, David E Michael
>> ><david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> >>Orac wrote:
>> >>> In article <38C55E45...@btinternet.com>, David E Michael
>> >>> <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> >>> >More defamation from Ms Salzman. I have publicly criticized
>> >>> >'Nazism'.
>> >>> As I recall, your criticism was not for the aims of Nazi-ism,
>> >>> but rather only because Hitler's Nazis went too far and were
>> >>> too brutal and therefore brought those aims into disrepute.
>> >>I'm not sure what 'the aims of Nazism' were. It occurs to me, as
>> >>it did to the Nuremberg Tribunal, that they changed through
>> >>time. Some were good. Others, like attacking Russia, were simply
>> >>daft.
>> >Which specific aims of Nazi-ism were good, David? As far as I can
>> >recall, you've never really given a straight answer to that
>> >question.
>> That one he actually answered:
>> <quote>
[snip]
>> </quote>
>> http://www.deja.com/=gh/getdoc.xp?AN=390244357
>> But David Michael says he is not a Nazi.
>More dishonesty from Mr Morris who dare not quote the whole thing.
>I gave a list of what I saw as the good points and bad points of
>Nazism.
David Gorski asked, "Which specific aims of Nazi-ism were good,
David?"
David Michael calls people liars by sheer force of habit. He has
nothing useful to contribute.
> Mr
>Morris has acquired the habit of snipping the 'bad' points and
>posting only the good points in order to smear me as a Nazi.
For the complete text of David Michael's paean to Nazism, see
http://www.deja.com/=gh/getdoc.xp?AN=390244357
> In a nutshell,
[no one cares]
- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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In <38C5E6DF...@btinternet.com> in alt.revisionism, on Wed, 08
Mar 2000 05:36:31 +0000, David E Michael
<david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
[nothing worth preserving]
>John Morris wrote:
>> In <Orac-D65963.2...@news.earthlink.net> in
>> alt.revisionism, on Wed, 08 Mar 2000 04:03:29 GMT, Orac
>> <Or...@mac.com> wrote:
>> >In article <38C5D157...@btinternet.com>, David E Michael
>> ><david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> >>Orac wrote:
>> >>> In article <38C55E45...@btinternet.com>, David E Michael
>> >>> <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> >>> >More defamation from Ms Salzman. I have publicly criticized
>> >>> >'Nazism'.
>> >>> As I recall, your criticism was not for the aims of Nazi-ism,
>> >>> but rather only because Hitler's Nazis went too far and were
>> >>> too brutal and therefore brought those aims into disrepute.
>> >>I'm not sure what 'the aims of Nazism' were. It occurs to me, as
>> >>it did to the Nuremberg Tribunal, that they changed through
>> >>time. Some were good. Others, like attacking Russia, were simply
>> >>daft.
>> >Which specific aims of Nazi-ism were good, David? As far as I can
>> >recall, you've never really given a straight answer to that
>> >question.
That one he actually answered:
<quote>
<cue male chorus humming "The Battle Hymn of the Repugnant">
The National Socialists were nationalists. At the end of the day,
nationalism, in the sense that I'd use it, is not an abstract theory
or set of propositions or ideology. It is love of one's people and
homeland, and a desire to serve, preserve and enhance them. Nothing
more and nothing less. It is a sentiment, like love of one's wife. It
cannot be justified or refuted, although, irritatingly, people keep
trying to justify it -- and I dare say you've shot a few of them down
in flames in this very newsgroup! It does not entail hatred of other
nations, any more than your love of your wife or children or pet
hamster entails hatred of other wives of children or hamsters. It is
more a case of: 'this is MINE -- this is what I love and shall
defend'. Maybe I'm just an old-fashioned Romantic, Mr G, but I
sincerely love my homeland and people, for all their faults, and
would like to serve them as best I can, not out of a wish for
personal gain or to further any ideology, but in the true spirit of
public service. I recognize in the National Socialists a similar
spirit. How can I condemn in them a feeling that is so strong in
myself?
</quote>
For the complete text of David Michael's paean to Nazism, see
http://www.deja.com/=gh/getdoc.xp?AN=390244357
But David Michael says he is not a Nazi.
- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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In <38C5E6DF...@btinternet.com> in alt.revisionism, on Wed, 08
Mar 2000 05:36:31 +0000, David E Michael
<david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
[snip]
>More dishonesty from Mr Morris who dare not quote the whole thing. I
>gave a list of what I saw as the good points and bad points of
>Nazism. Mr Morris has acquired the habit of snipping the 'bad'
>points and posting only the good points in order to smear me as a
>Nazi.
Even though David Gorski asked for the David Michael's list of the
good points of Nazism, and even though David Micahel cited the
self-same I quoted, let's see some of these "bad points" that I dare
not quote.
<quote>
There is a complete lack of any credible leadership. You have only to
witness the undignified way in which the so-called leaders of the
movement today conduct themselves in this newsgroup to see this. That
they should indulge in public squabbling in the face of the enemy is
unforgivable and shows that they are no hopers. Sixty years ago, such
quarrels between brothers would have been settled in private, if
necessary with the assistance of a well-placed bullet.
</quote>
So, one of the bad things about *present-day* Nazis is that they
don't use "a well-placed bullet" to deal with dissidence within the
movement.
One assumes, then, that dealing with dissidence by means of "a
well-placed bullet" would be in the plus column for the Nazis of
yore.
For the remainder of David Michael's "criticisms" of Nazism, see:
http://www.deja.com/=gh/getdoc.xp?AN=390244357
- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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In <38C5E6DF...@btinternet.com> in alt.revisionism, on Wed, 08
Mar 2000 05:36:31 +0000, David E Michael
<david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
[snip]
>More dishonesty from Mr Morris who dare not quote the whole thing. I
>gave a list of what I saw as the good points and bad points of
>Nazism. Mr Morris has acquired the habit of snipping the 'bad'
>points and posting only the good points in order to smear me as a
>Nazi.
Even though David Gorski asked for the David Michael's list of the
good points of Nazism, and even though David Micahel cited the
self-same post I quoted, let's see some of these "bad points" that I
dare not quote.
<quote>
I think that the National Socialists may, in the past, have taken
their use of the race concept to extremes. I don't regard the Jews as
a 'race' but as a cultural group, although one that clearly tends to
attract adherents disproportionately from one particular 'race'. I
can see how the concerns about Jewish influence may have arisen, and
from my own fairly recent encounter with the Jewish community, I must
say that I am struck by how true-to-life the Nazi stereotype of the
Jews seems to be. I think the problem, however, is cultural rather
than genetic. I tend to strongly dislike most Jews whom I meet --
they are arrogant, aggressive, dishonest people. But I can think of
several with whom I formed good relationships, in three cases even
friendships. This is not to say that 'race' cannot be used as a
relevant factor in political decisions. Indeed, in Britain today,
where 1 in 5 pre-school children are of 'mixed' race, it is
imperative that race SHOULD be used in political decisions if our
culture and way of life is to survive even one century into the new
millennium. But the concept must be used SENSIBLY.
</quote>
So David Michael thinks it is critical of the Nazis to note "how
true-to-life the Nazi stereotype of the Jews seems to be" because
Jews are "arrogant, aggressive, dishonest people."
That is an odd sort of criticism. One might be tempted not to call
it a criticism at all.
For the remainder of David Michael's "criticisms" of Nazism, see:
http://www.deja.com/=gh/getdoc.xp?AN=390244357
- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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In <38C5E6DF...@btinternet.com> in alt.revisionism, on Wed, 08
Mar 2000 05:36:31 +0000, David E Michael
<david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
[snip]
>More dishonesty from Mr Morris who dare not quote the whole thing. I
>gave a list of what I saw as the good points and bad points of
>Nazism. Mr Morris has acquired the habit of snipping the 'bad'
>points and posting only the good points in order to smear me as a
>Nazi.
Even though David Gorski asked for the David Michael's list of the
good points of Nazism, and even though David Michael cited the
self-same post I quoted, let's see some of these "bad points" that I
dare not quote.
<quote>
A central feature of National Socialism was the fuhrer principle and
the need for loyalty to one man, Mr Adolf Hitler. I regret that I
would swear loyalty to no one other than myself. Mr Hitler was not
infallible. The fact that he managed to lose the most important war
of all time is clear evidence of this.
</quote>
By the same token, if Hitler had won the most important war of all
time, Mr. Michael's criticism would be more subdued.
What a "wonderful dream" that would have been.
For the remainder of David Michael's "criticisms" of Nazism, see:
http://www.deja.com/=gh/getdoc.xp?AN=390244357
- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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In <38C5E6DF...@btinternet.com> in alt.revisionism, on Wed, 08
Mar 2000 05:36:31 +0000, David E Michael
<david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
[snip]
>More dishonesty from Mr Morris who dare not quote the whole thing. I
>gave a list of what I saw as the good points and bad points of
>Nazism. Mr Morris has acquired the habit of snipping the 'bad'
>points and posting only the good points in order to smear me as a
>Nazi.
Even though David Gorski asked for the David Michael's list of the
good points of Nazism, and even though David Michael cited the
self-same post I quoted, let's see some of these "bad points" that I
dare not quote.
<quote>
I am persuaded that the National Socialist movement may, at times,
have participated in unjustified acts of brutality. This in no way
detracts from the fact that their enemies clearly did likewise, and I
do not lose sight of the fact that there was a war on, that 'war is
war' and 'these things happen', or that there was a strong degree of
disorganization, panic and resentment at times. Nevertheless, such
behaviour is quite inexcusable and, where it can be proven to have
occurred, it must be condemned unreservedly.
</quote>
*Maybe* the Nazis participated in "unjustifiable acts of brutality."
Where they can be proved to have occured--but David Michael says the
Holocaust is not proven. For David Michael, the Holocaust cannot be
counted among the Nazis' "unjustifiable acts of brutality."
Even so, the "unjustifiable acts of brutality" since many must have
occurred as the result of panic, confusion, and poor planning.
For the remainder of David Michael's "criticisms" of Nazism, see:
http://www.deja.com/=gh/getdoc.xp?AN=390244357
- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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In <38C5E6DF...@btinternet.com> in alt.revisionism, on Wed, 08
Mar 2000 05:36:31 +0000, David E Michael
<david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
[snip]
>More dishonesty from Mr Morris who dare not quote the whole thing. I
>gave a list of what I saw as the good points and bad points of
>Nazism. Mr Morris has acquired the habit of snipping the 'bad'
>points and posting only the good points in order to smear me as a
>Nazi.
Even though David Gorski asked for the David Michael's list of the
good points of Nazism, and even though David Michael cited the
self-same post I quoted, let's see some of these "bad points" that I
dare not quote.
<quote>
There is a lack of clarity as to intent and purpose. Most National
Socialist publications that I have seen nowadays lack any clear
direction. They seem to consist merely of the confused mutterings of
their publishers, which range from the odd, to the mystical, to the
completely daft.
</quote>
So, *present-day* Nazis lack "clarity as to intent and purpose."
Should one presume that the Nazis of the past had such a clarity?
For the remainder of David Michael's "criticisms" of Nazism, see:
http://www.deja.com/=gh/getdoc.xp?AN=390244357
- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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Anonymous
John Morris wrote:
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> Hash: SHA1
>
> In <38C5E6DF...@btinternet.com> in alt.revisionism, on Wed, 08
> Mar 2000 05:36:31 +0000, David E Michael
> <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> [nothing worth preserving]
>
> >John Morris wrote:
>
> >> In <Orac-D65963.2...@news.earthlink.net> in
> >> alt.revisionism, on Wed, 08 Mar 2000 04:03:29 GMT, Orac
> >> <Or...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> >> >In article <38C5D157...@btinternet.com>, David E Michael
> >> ><david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> >> >>Orac wrote:
>
> >> >>> In article <38C55E45...@btinternet.com>, David E Michael
> >> >>> <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> >> >>> >More defamation from Ms Salzman. I have publicly criticized
> >> >>> >'Nazism'.
>
> >> >>> As I recall, your criticism was not for the aims of Nazi-ism,
> >> >>> but rather only because Hitler's Nazis went too far and were
> >> >>> too brutal and therefore brought those aims into disrepute.
>
> >> >>I'm not sure what 'the aims of Nazism' were. It occurs to me, as
> >> >>it did to the Nuremberg Tribunal, that they changed through
> >> >>time. Some were good. Others, like attacking Russia, were simply
> >> >>daft.
>
> >> >Which specific aims of Nazi-ism were good, David? As far as I can
> >> >recall, you've never really given a straight answer to that
> >> >question.
>
> That one he actually answered:
>
> <quote>
> <cue male chorus humming "The Battle Hymn of the Repugnant">
>
> The National Socialists were nationalists. At the end of the day,
> nationalism, in the sense that I'd use it, is not an abstract theory
> or set of propositions or ideology. It is love of one's people and
> homeland, and a desire to serve, preserve and enhance them. Nothing
> more and nothing less. It is a sentiment, like love of one's wife. It
> cannot be justified or refuted, although, irritatingly, people keep
> trying to justify it -- and I dare say you've shot a few of them down
> in flames in this very newsgroup! It does not entail hatred of other
> nations, any more than your love of your wife or children or pet
> hamster entails hatred of other wives of children or hamsters. It is
> more a case of: 'this is MINE -- this is what I love and shall
> defend'. Maybe I'm just an old-fashioned Romantic, Mr G, but I
> sincerely love my homeland and people, for all their faults, and
> would like to serve them as best I can, not out of a wish for
> personal gain or to further any ideology, but in the true spirit of
> public service. I recognize in the National Socialists a similar
> spirit. How can I condemn in them a feeling that is so strong in
> myself?
> </quote>
>
> For the complete text of David Michael's paean to Nazism, see
> http://www.deja.com/=gh/getdoc.xp?AN=390244357
>
> But David Michael says he is not a Nazi.
>
> - --
> John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
> at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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Once again, Mr Morris leaves out my criticisms of Nazism.
Once again, I invite the reader to consider why.
David
On 5 February 2000 William Daffer wrote: 'total honesty isn't required'.
On 21 November 1998 Scot Murphy wrote: 'Yes, these are newsgroups I lurked
through--though never contributed to'.
On 30 January 2000 Michael Ragland wrote: 'I must admit I have at times
done revisionist postings to confuse others and help the anti-revisionist
side. How so, well I've stated the Nazis killed millions of Jews but
Hitler didn't know about it! I realize that by acknowledging the Nazis
killed millions of Jew, even if I have demonstrated there is no proof
Hitler knew about the extermination, I have caused some damage to
revisionists.'
On 8 February 2000 Michael Ragland wrote: 'Sometimes telling half-truths,
white lies, etc. is important for self-preservation and to achieve certain
ends.'
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In <38C60F93...@bigwig.com> in alt.revisionism, on Wed, 08 Mar
2000 08:30:11 +0000, in the Boy-do-I-Feel-Stupid Department, David
Michael failed at being Anonymous <nob...@newsfeeds.com> and wrote:
>> >> >Which specific aims of Nazi-ism were good, David? As far as I
>> >> >can recall, you've never really given a straight answer to
>> >> >that question.
>> That one he actually answered:
>> <quote>
>> <cue male chorus humming "The Battle Hymn of the Repugnant">
[snip]
>> </quote>
>> For the complete text of David Michael's paean to Nazism, see
>> http://www.deja.com/=gh/getdoc.xp?AN=390244357
>> But David Michael says he is not a Nazi.
>Once again, Mr Morris leaves out my criticisms of Nazism.
For the complete text of David Michael's paean to Nazism, see
http://www.deja.com/=gh/getdoc.xp?AN=390244357
>Once again, I invite the reader to consider why.
>David
The reader may be more interested to know why Mr. Michael is spending
good money on an anonymous Usenet provider when he said he wouldn't.
Not that anyone really gives a BigHairySpider's Ass.
- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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>
>> In article <xtbx4.2390$NU5.1...@news0.telusplanet.net>,
>> $kr1p7...@tranquil.hegemony.ca wrote:
>>
>> >Brimstone <mr_brimsto...@excite.com.invalid> wrote:
>> >> How are the kids Ari and Rene doing these days.
>> >
>> >
her children??
>>
>> Why yes, it is! So was the naming of all my neighbors.
Orac was the one who posted your neighbors address.
>> Unfortunately for "Brimstone," it's not going to work. His
posting of my
>> personal information is not going to silence ot intimidate me.
It was a question...not a threat.
>> >
>> >If so, you are DISGUSTING. Go find another newsgroup to
poison. Your
>> >contributions are not wanted, needed, or even helpful here.
>> >
>> However, it DOES demonstrate quite clearly the agenda of the
neo-Nazis
>> like Don Ellis, Pat Blakely, and David Michael, doesn't it?
Is that anything like a neo-jew? Tell you what Sara, set your
oven to 400 and get in it. You are not a nice person Sara.
>> Sara
>
>More defamation from Ms Salzman. I have publicly
criticized 'Nazism'.
They don't care about the truth, they call everyone nazis.
>David
>
>On 5 February 2000 William Daffer wrote: 'total honesty isn't
required'.
>
>On 21 November 1998 Scot Murphy wrote: 'Yes, these are
newsgroups I lurked
>through--though never contributed to'.
>
>On 30 January 2000 Michael Ragland wrote: 'I must admit I have
at times done
> revisionist postings to confuse others and help the anti-
revisionist side.
>How so, well I've stated the Nazis killed millions of Jews but
Hitler didn't
>know about it! I realize that by acknowledging the Nazis killed
millions of
>Jew, even if I have demonstrated there is no proof Hitler knew
about the
>extermination, I have caused some damage to revisionists.'
>
>On 8 February 2000 Michael Ragland wrote: 'Sometimes telling
half-truths,
>white lies, etc. is important for self-preservation and to
achieve certain
>ends.'
>
>
>
Brimstone
in a headlock.
Brimstone
Brimstone
Jeffrey G. Brown
<m...@administrator.usna.net> wrote:
>Although I think posting your kids names is below the belt, you are
>prompting them Sara, you really are.
No, Mikey. Those who are posting Sara's address are doing it entirely on
their own.
Like most cowards, you don't understand the concept of personal
responsibility -- nor do you want to.
JGB
=======================================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown jg_b...@deja.com
For centuries, philosophers and theologians have debated what it means
to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
To be human is to choose. - "The Outer Limits: Feasibility Study", 1997
Jeffrey G. Brown
<m...@administrator.usna.net> wrote:
>you seem to be taking advantage of them posting yours kids names for
>your own benefit Sara.
You mean she had the gall to actually object to that tactic? What a
shameless hussy!
>I agree that is disgusting(posting your kids
>names), but you are even more disgusting by trying to score points on
>usenet by exploiting them for doing it.
In other words, when someone on your side of the debate uses a gutless
tactic, no one should point it out for what it is, eh, Mikey?
How many times did you have to have that truck run over your head to get
this clueless, Mikey?
Orac
>I suggest Ely, Nevada for the WPR Homeland. If you have ever been through
>there you will understand why. .....If not read JRR Tolkiens descriptions of
>Mordor in Lord of the RIngs and you have a pretty good description of the
>land around Ely. The WPR;s can play Afrika Korps to their hearts content
>there.....
No, I still don't think that they deserve even a single square foot of soil on
the continental United States. An uninhabited island somewhere would be best.
Supplies could be airlifted in every so often by their ideological sympathizers.
I might consider Alaska, but why ruin its pristine beauty with white power
rangers?
Orac
<david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>Orac wrote:
>
>> In article <38C5B6CA...@erols.com>, sjw <sjw...@erols.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >This episode has convinced me that the white separatists are right. I
>> >believe people like Don Ellis, who thinks he is fooling everyone with
>> >his little Brimstone nym, do not deserve to live amongst polite
>> >society. I'm all for reserving some government land out west somewhere
>> >for all the WPR's who want to separate themselves. Who the hell wants
>> >scum like Ellis living with us? And they can take the David Michael's
>> >and the Richard Phillips' of the world with them.
>>
>> Why waste perfectly good land on the continental USA and spoil it by
>> putting white power rangers on it? Surely there must be some deserted
>> islands somewhere where these Brave Aryan Warriors can forge their
>> inbred little world and not bother the civilized world.
>>
>Sounds like Dr Gorski is on the verge of becoming a supporter of the concept
>of a white volkstaat!
Not really, but for you and Ellis, I'll consider making an exception.
Orac
<m...@administrator.usna.net> wrote:
>When one of McVay's supporters posted Don's info. Only Don Ellis had
>the balls to use his real name while nazihunter hides behind an
>anonymous newsserver. If you also remember, Sara refused to help put
>an end to the nazihunter postings about Don, she refused to cooperate
>in stopping the post(by her own admission) and in fact, kind of
>gloated about it.
>
>Sara has also done the same thing by putting up a name for that Rev
>White poster (who I have never seen post one time in here except for
>that instance). I bet it is like the Ronald Schoedel thing. I think
>Sara has a lot of this to blame for herself, something she refuses to
>admit.
>
>Mike
>ex-Jew
Pretty lame excuse. You're basically saying "She made Don do it." You appear not
to have the concept of personal responsibility for one's actions quite straight
yet.
Orac
wrote:
>Mike Kalvatis wrote:
>
>> you seem to be taking advantage of them posting yours kids names for
>> your own benefit Sara. I agree that is disgusting(posting your kids
>> names), but you are even more disgusting by trying to score points on
>> usenet by exploiting them for doing it.
>
>What a wonderful no-win scenario you've tried to craft for Sara. You attack
>her through her children and try to intimidate her. If she doesn't respond,
>you win. If she defends herself, you attack her for defending herself. I
>always thought schoolyard bullies eventually grew out of their childishness,
>but it appears I am wrong.
Of course you are. Such schoolyard bullies all too often grow up to be adult
bullies.
Orac
wrote:
>John Morris wrote:
>> But David Michael says he is not a Nazi.
>
>Once again, Mr Morris leaves out my criticisms of Nazism.
>
>Once again, I invite the reader to consider why.
I wonder why you would waste the effort (and possibly expense) of using an
anonymous remailer if you're just going to post your name.
Philip Mathews
>Anonymous nob...@newsfeeds.com wrote:
>John Morris wrote:
>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>>
>> In <38C5E6DF...@btinternet.com> in alt.revisionism, on Wed, 08
>> Mar 2000 05:36:31 +0000, David E Michael
>> <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>> [nothing worth preserving]
>>
>> >John Morris wrote:
>>
>> >> In <Orac-D65963.2...@news.earthlink.net> in
>> >> alt.revisionism, on Wed, 08 Mar 2000 04:03:29 GMT, Orac
>> >> <Or...@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >In article <38C5D157...@btinternet.com>, David E Michael
>> >> ><david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >>Orac wrote:
>>
>> >> >>> In article <38C55E45...@btinternet.com>, David E Michael
>> >> >>> <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >>> >More defamation from Ms Salzman. I have publicly criticized
>> >> >>> >'Nazism'.
>>
>> >> >>> As I recall, your criticism was not for the aims of Nazi-ism,
>> >> >>> but rather only because Hitler's Nazis went too far and were
>> >> >>> too brutal and therefore brought those aims into disrepute.
>>
>> >> >>I'm not sure what 'the aims of Nazism' were. It occurs to me, as
>> >> >>it did to the Nuremberg Tribunal, that they changed through
>> >> >>time. Some were good. Others, like attacking Russia, were simply
>> >> >>daft.
>>
>> >> >Which specific aims of Nazi-ism were good, David? As far as I can
>> >> >recall, you've never really given a straight answer to that
>> >> >question.
>>
>> That one he actually answered:
>>
>> <quote>
>> <cue male chorus humming "The Battle Hymn of the Repugnant">
>>
>> The National Socialists were nationalists. At the end of the day,
>> nationalism, in the sense that I'd use it, is not an abstract theory
>> or set of propositions or ideology. It is love of one's people and
>> homeland, and a desire to serve, preserve and enhance them. Nothing
>> more and nothing less. It is a sentiment, like love of one's wife. It
>> cannot be justified or refuted, although, irritatingly, people keep
>> trying to justify it -- and I dare say you've shot a few of them down
>> in flames in this very newsgroup! It does not entail hatred of other
>> nations, any more than your love of your wife or children or pet
>> hamster entails hatred of other wives of children or hamsters. It is
>> more a case of: 'this is MINE -- this is what I love and shall
>> defend'. Maybe I'm just an old-fashioned Romantic, Mr G, but I
>> sincerely love my homeland and people, for all their faults, and
>> would like to serve them as best I can, not out of a wish for
>> personal gain or to further any ideology, but in the true spirit of
>> public service. I recognize in the National Socialists a similar
>> spirit. How can I condemn in them a feeling that is so strong in
>> myself?
>> </quote>
>>
>> For the complete text of David Michael's paean to Nazism, see
>> http://www.deja.com/=gh/getdoc.xp?AN=390244357
>>
>> But David Michael says he is not a Nazi.
>>
>> - --
>> John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
>> at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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>
>Once again, Mr Morris leaves out my criticisms of Nazism.
>
>Once again, I invite the reader to consider why.
>
>David
>
>On 5 February 2000 William Daffer wrote: 'total honesty isn't required'.
>
>On 21 November 1998 Scot Murphy wrote: 'Yes, these are newsgroups I lurked
>through--though never contributed to'.
>
>On 30 January 2000 Michael Ragland wrote: 'I must admit I have at times
>done revisionist postings to confuse others and help the anti-revisionist
>side. How so, well I've stated the Nazis killed millions of Jews but
>Hitler didn't know about it! I realize that by acknowledging the Nazis
>killed millions of Jew, even if I have demonstrated there is no proof
>Hitler knew about the extermination, I have caused some damage to
>revisionists.'
>
>On 8 February 2000 Michael Ragland wrote: 'Sometimes telling half-truths,
>white lies, etc. is important for self-preservation and to achieve certain
>ends.'
>
>
>
> --------== Posted Anonymously via Newsfeeds.Com ==-------
> Featuring the worlds only Anonymous Usenet Server
> -----------== http://www.newsfeeds.com
Oops! Big mistake there Big Hairy Spider.
--
Philip Mathews
On February 1, 1999 David E. Michael said:
If they are so innocent and inoffensive, why have they been reviled and
loathed throughout history in a wide variety of circumstances? There are at
least some aspects of Jewish culture that do, I'm afraid, tend to invite
bitterness. Having been resoundingly stabbed in the back by one whom I liked
and trusted, at a time when I was a lot more favourably disposed to these
people, I assure you that I speak from personal experience.
"Mankind have a great aversion to intellectual labor; but even supposing
knowledge to be easily attainable, more people would be content to be ignorant
than would take even a little trouble to acquire it." Samuel Johnson
David E Michael
sjw wrote:
> John Morris wrote:
> >
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> >
> > In <Orac-D65963.2...@news.earthlink.net> in
> > alt.revisionism, on Wed, 08 Mar 2000 04:03:29 GMT, Orac
> > <Or...@mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > >In article <38C5D157...@btinternet.com>, David E Michael
> > ><david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >
> > >>Orac wrote:
> >
> > >>> In article <38C55E45...@btinternet.com>, David E Michael
> > >>> <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >
> > >>> >More defamation from Ms Salzman. I have publicly criticized
> > >>> >'Nazism'.
> >
> > >>> As I recall, your criticism was not for the aims of Nazi-ism, but
> > >>> rather only because Hitler's Nazis went too far and were too
> > >>> brutal and therefore brought those aims into disrepute.
> >
> > >>I'm not sure what 'the aims of Nazism' were. It occurs to me, as it
> > >>did to the Nuremberg Tribunal, that they changed through time. Some
> > >>were good. Others, like attacking Russia, were simply daft.
> >
> > >Which specific aims of Nazi-ism were good, David? As far as I can
> > >recall, you've never really given a straight answer to that
> > >question.
> >
> > That one he actually answered:
> >
> > <quote>
> > <cue male chorus humming "The Battle Hymn of the Repugnant">
> >
> > National Socialism was a revolutionary movement that was based upon a
> > wonderful dream. Forget the stories of corpses for a moment, Mr G,
> > and imagine a world very different from the world we inhabit today.
> > Imagine a world free from the wars that have scarred the face of this
> > tired old planet since the beginning of time; a world with no extreme
> > poverty, with no disease, with no exploitation of worker by employer,
> > no jolting financial crises (with the misery that such crises entail)
> > - - -- a world united in a common purpose and a common vision. Imagine
> > a
> > world free from the old conflicts, where worker and employer strive
> > side-by-side for the common good, where 'Left' and 'Right' are mere
> > historical anachronisms, where nation works peacefully alongside
> > nation for the greater glory of all the earth. Imagine, if you will,
> > a world where, through a process of artificial genetic selection,
> > mankind has been enhanced to heights undreamed of: when, year by
> > year, mere human beings grow ever closer to becoming gods. Think of
> > the beauty of those people, of their art, their music, their
> > literature. Think of their levels of culture, their humanity, their
> > nobility. Now contrast this with the world that has been bequeathed
> > to our children as a result of that needless and miserable world war.
> > Just pick up a newspaper and look around you -- look at what your
> > 'liberals' and your 'democrats' have left to them. Look at the
> > dull-eyed teenagers, drugged to their eyeballs, staggering around
> > bleak housing estates, their stereos blaring drum-beats! What do they
> > know of the glories of a Bruckner symphony, or the heart-rending
> > beauty of Nietzsche? What good have 'democracy' and 'liberalism' ever
> > done for them, Mr G? Answer me that! Look at Africa and Asia --
> > thousands upon thousands of square miles, characterized by war,
> > starvation, famine, massacre, corruption, decay, filth. What good
> > have 'freedom' and 'rights' ever done for the inhabitants of those
> > miserable regions? Answer me that! What good is 'freedom' to a man
> > who cannot afford to buy his daily bread? Tell me that, Mr G! Look at
> > the legacy of communism -- the blood red claw that, even today,
> > enslaves a quarter of the world's population. Think of the 200
> > million corpses -- people who died as victims of this evil claw, for
> > no good purpose whatsoever. Now can you honestly put your hand on
> > your heart and tell me, in all sincerity, sir, that you truly and
> > without reservation believe that the world you and your kind have
> > bequeathed to future generations -- the world that has given us
> > Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and the pathetic figure of William Jefferson
> > Clinton, who symbolizes all that is wrong with this earth -- that you
> > honestly believe that this world you have left for us is better than
> > our alternative? Can you honestly tell me that the dream of a
> > beautiful new world that I have outlined above -- the dream that
> > inspired countless thousands of young Europeans to flock to the
> > National Socialist banner -- is not worth fighting for? Can
> > you honestly tell me that it is not worth dying for?
> > </quote>
> >
> > http://www.deja.com/=gh/getdoc.xp?AN=390244357
> >
> > But David Michael says he is not a Nazi.
> >
> > - --
> > John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
> > at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
>
> I liked the part about 'artificial genetic selection'. They would breed
> David Michael right out of existence. Unless they're aiming to clone
> fat, loony cowards. Of course, the Nazi doesn't bother to tell us HOW
> national socialism is going to bring about his utopia. Maybe he just
> hasn't figured it out yet. Interesting, too, that he talks not about
> just Britain, but about the world. I wonder what he plans to do about
> all those black, brown, yellow and red people (not to mention the
> majority of whites and all the Jews except the New Hampshire nutcase)
> who are not likely to go along with his plans for the world. He had a
> convenient plan for dealing with them in Britain, but I don't see any
> evidence that he's considered other countries. Or maybe he's willing to
> pay their relocation expenses to blast off into space. Or could he just
> be thinking about blasting them period?
>
> Steve
>
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He's completely flipped.
David E Michael
John Morris wrote:
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> In <38C5E6DF...@btinternet.com> in alt.revisionism, on Wed, 08
> Mar 2000 05:36:31 +0000, David E Michael
> <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> >John Morris wrote:
>
> >> In <Orac-D65963.2...@news.earthlink.net> in
> >> alt.revisionism, on Wed, 08 Mar 2000 04:03:29 GMT, Orac
> >> <Or...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> >> >In article <38C5D157...@btinternet.com>, David E Michael
> >> ><david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> >> >>Orac wrote:
>
> >> >>> In article <38C55E45...@btinternet.com>, David E Michael
> >> >>> <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> >> >>> >More defamation from Ms Salzman. I have publicly criticized
> >> >>> >'Nazism'.
>
> >> >>> As I recall, your criticism was not for the aims of Nazi-ism,
> >> >>> but rather only because Hitler's Nazis went too far and were
> >> >>> too brutal and therefore brought those aims into disrepute.
>
> >> >>I'm not sure what 'the aims of Nazism' were. It occurs to me, as
> >> >>it did to the Nuremberg Tribunal, that they changed through
> >> >>time. Some were good. Others, like attacking Russia, were simply
> >> >>daft.
>
> >> >Which specific aims of Nazi-ism were good, David? As far as I can
> >> >recall, you've never really given a straight answer to that
> >> >question.
>
> >> That one he actually answered:
>
> >> <quote>
>
> [snip]
>
> >> </quote>
>
> >> http://www.deja.com/=gh/getdoc.xp?AN=390244357
>
> >> But David Michael says he is not a Nazi.
>
> >More dishonesty from Mr Morris who dare not quote the whole thing.
> >I gave a list of what I saw as the good points and bad points of
> >Nazism.
>
> David Gorski asked, "Which specific aims of Nazi-ism were good,
> David?"
>
> David Michael calls people liars by sheer force of habit. He has
> nothing useful to contribute.
>
> > Mr
> >Morris has acquired the habit of snipping the 'bad' points and
> >posting only the good points in order to smear me as a Nazi.
>
> For the complete text of David Michael's paean to Nazism, see
>
> http://www.deja.com/=gh/getdoc.xp?AN=390244357
>
> > In a nutshell,
>
> [no one cares]
>
> - --
> John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
> at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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You chaps seem to be stuck for a strategy. Make up your mind: is it to be
ignoring me, or is it to be LSD (lies, smears and defamation)?
David E Michael
John Morris wrote:
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> In <38C5E6DF...@btinternet.com> in alt.revisionism, on Wed, 08
> Mar 2000 05:36:31 +0000, David E Michael
> <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >More dishonesty from Mr Morris who dare not quote the whole thing. I
> >gave a list of what I saw as the good points and bad points of
> >Nazism. Mr Morris has acquired the habit of snipping the 'bad'
> >points and posting only the good points in order to smear me as a
> >Nazi.
>
> Even though David Gorski asked for the David Michael's list of the
> good points of Nazism, and even though David Micahel cited the
> self-same I quoted, let's see some of these "bad points" that I dare
> not quote.
>
> <quote>
> There is a complete lack of any credible leadership. You have only to
> witness the undignified way in which the so-called leaders of the
> movement today conduct themselves in this newsgroup to see this. That
> they should indulge in public squabbling in the face of the enemy is
> unforgivable and shows that they are no hopers. Sixty years ago, such
> quarrels between brothers would have been settled in private, if
> necessary with the assistance of a well-placed bullet.
> </quote>
>
> So, one of the bad things about *present-day* Nazis is that they
> don't use "a well-placed bullet" to deal with dissidence within the
> movement.
>
> One assumes, then, that dealing with dissidence by means of "a
> well-placed bullet" would be in the plus column for the Nazis of
> yore.
>
> For the remainder of David Michael's "criticisms" of Nazism, see:
> http://www.deja.com/=gh/getdoc.xp?AN=390244357
>
> - --
> John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
> at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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I see you still don't dare quote the whole thing.
David E Michael
John Morris wrote:
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> In <38C60F93...@bigwig.com> in alt.revisionism, on Wed, 08 Mar
> 2000 08:30:11 +0000, in the Boy-do-I-Feel-Stupid Department, David
> Michael failed at being Anonymous <nob...@newsfeeds.com> and wrote:
>
> >> >> >Which specific aims of Nazi-ism were good, David? As far as I
> >> >> >can recall, you've never really given a straight answer to
> >> >> >that question.
>
> >> That one he actually answered:
>
> >> <quote>
> >> <cue male chorus humming "The Battle Hymn of the Repugnant">
>
> [snip]
>
> >> </quote>
>
> >> For the complete text of David Michael's paean to Nazism, see
> >> http://www.deja.com/=gh/getdoc.xp?AN=390244357
>
> >> But David Michael says he is not a Nazi.
>
> >Once again, Mr Morris leaves out my criticisms of Nazism.
>
> For the complete text of David Michael's paean to Nazism, see
> http://www.deja.com/=gh/getdoc.xp?AN=390244357
>
> >Once again, I invite the reader to consider why.
>
> >David
>
> The reader may be more interested to know why Mr. Michael is spending
> good money on an anonymous Usenet provider when he said he wouldn't.
>
> Not that anyone really gives a BigHairySpider's Ass.
>
> - --
> John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
> at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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I have several ISPs. If I get booted off of one I can use another. BT was
being very slow this morning.
Sara Salzman
>Once again, Mr Morris leaves out my criticisms of Nazism.
>
>Once again, I invite the reader to consider why.
>
>David
>
Please note David Michael's new "anonymous" address:
Sara Salzman
>When one of McVay's supporters posted Don's info. Only Don Ellis had
>the balls to use his real name while nazihunter hides behind an
>anonymous newsserver. If you also remember, Sara refused to help put
>an end to the nazihunter postings about Don, she refused to cooperate
>in stopping the post(by her own admission) and in fact, kind of
>gloated about it.
>
>Sara has also done the same thing by putting up a name for that Rev
>White poster (who I have never seen post one time in here except for
>that instance). I bet it is like the Ronald Schoedel thing. I think
>Sara has a lot of this to blame for herself, something she refuses to
>admit.
>
>Mike
>ex-Jew
Oooh, Mr. Kalvatis, you've been proven a liar.
I NEVER posted "Revwhite"s real name. I pointed out the way to the web
site (hatecheck.org) that identified. I did it that way EXPRESSLY so that
I could not be accused of posting anyone's "real name."
And of course, the reason I did this was because Revwhite posted personal
information about me -- specific information including a MAP of my street
and the names, addresses and phone numbers of my neighbors.
Before that moment, I have never even SEEN a posting from Revwhite. I
never interacted with him in any way, shape, or form.
This person came out of the woodwork and posted information, encouraging
others to contact my neighbors.
I pointed to a place that identifies who "revwhite" is, since he seemed so
interested in making personal information public.
Now, tell me again: what did I do TO REVWHITE?
Sara
And by the way... Don Ellis may have balls, but he is certainly NOT the
only person using his real name. I have always done so. Revwhite doesn't.
"Brimstone" doesn't. Ken McVay DOES. etc.
David E Michael
Sara Salzman wrote:
I've seen several anonymous posters use that address. Your point?
David Gehrig
>
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> alt.revisionism, on Wed, 08 Mar 2000 04:03:29 GMT, Orac
> <Or...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> ><david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> >>Orac wrote:
>
> >>> In article <38C55E45...@btinternet.com>, David E Michael
> >>> <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> >>> >More defamation from Ms Salzman. I have publicly criticized
> >>> >'Nazism'.
>
> >>> As I recall, your criticism was not for the aims of Nazi-ism, but
> >>> rather only because Hitler's Nazis went too far and were too
> >>> brutal and therefore brought those aims into disrepute.
>
> >>I'm not sure what 'the aims of Nazism' were. It occurs to me, as it
> >>did to the Nuremberg Tribunal, that they changed through time. Some
> >>were good. Others, like attacking Russia, were simply daft.
>
> >recall, you've never really given a straight answer to that
> >question.
>
> That one he actually answered:
>
> <quote>
> <cue male chorus humming "The Battle Hymn of the Repugnant">
ROTFL!
> http://www.deja.com/=gh/getdoc.xp?AN=390244357
>
> But David Michael says he is not a Nazi.
Varrrrf. Not exactly a master of rhetoric either. But, in a sense,
this is another confirmation of Orwell's brilliant "Politics and
the English Language"; one who can only express himself in bromides
and bumperstickers isn't really thinking at all; he's only
rearranging the bromides and bumperstickers he was given by others.
@%<
David Gehrig
> The reader may be more interested to know why Mr. Michael is spending
> good money on an anonymous Usenet provider when he said he wouldn't.
Yes, I wondered that myself. Except that it wasn't really wondering.
> Not that anyone really gives a BigHairySpider's Ass.
Right.
@%<
David Gehrig
<< snip >>
> Mike
> ex-Jew
Hi, "Mike", you "ex-Jew"!
Fill in the blank: "Shalom aleichem, malachai..."
@%<
David Gehrig
>
> Orac <Or...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> [..]
>
> : Why waste perfectly good land on the continental USA and spoil it by
> : putting white power rangers on it? Surely there must be some deserted
> : islands somewhere where these Brave Aryan Warriors can forge their
> : inbred little world and not bother the civilized world.
>
> eventually cause their demise. On the other hand, the examples of the
> knuckle-dragging community that I have seen are unlikely to ever find a
> breeding partner....which is why they support a culture of rape and
> violence.
Well, it's interesting to speculate how evolution would deal with it.
For example, I imagine that they might eventually develop little wheels
on their knuckles to keep them from dragging.
@%<
> David Maddison
Aranthas
Albrecht Kolthoff <kolt...@gmx.net>
> >No wonder you people need to wear uniforms in order to feel "accepted".
>
> This uniform is brown from bottom to top.
>
> This Ellis guy is disgusting, to say the least.
> --
> Albrecht Kolthoff
I understand You mean it´s brown so that the shit won´t show.
Aranthas
--
Isn´t democracy great!
Yes. But it´s nothing without a good constitution.
Jeffrey G. Brown
<m...@administrator.usna.net> wrote:
>When one of McVay's supporters posted Don's info.
And why would you refer to that individual as "one of McVay's supporters"?
Can you provide evidence of a connection between that person and Mr.
McVay?
Didn't think so, Mikey.
Don Ellis
"Sara Salzman" <cata...@concentric.net> wrote in message
news:catamont-080...@ts002d08.den-co.concentric.net...
> In article <ugobcs82ek7qfv5cq...@4ax.com>, Mike Kalvatis
Don
Warren's All-Stars
Don Ellis wrote:
Only to people who have no sense of smell.
Steve
Mike Kalvatis
Mike
On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 00:59:58 -0600, Buck Turgidson
<deppi...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Mike Kalvatis wrote:
>
>> you seem to be taking advantage of them posting yours kids names for
>> your own benefit Sara. I agree that is disgusting(posting your kids
>> names), but you are even more disgusting by trying to score points on
>> usenet by exploiting them for doing it.
>
>What a wonderful no-win scenario you've tried to craft for Sara. You attack her
>through her children and try to intimidate her. If she doesn't respond, you win.
>If she defends herself, you attack her for defending herself. I always thought
>schoolyard bullies eventually grew out of their childishness, but it appears I am
>wrong.
>
>Nazoid vermin.
>
>
>
>-- --Dep
>
>"Always tell the truth. It's the § "Truth is just...truth. You can't
> easiest thing to remember." § have opinions about truth."
> --David Mamet --Peter Schickele
>
>Like short-haired women? Snotty comments? Penguins?
>http://members.aol.com/deppitybob/shlu/PAGEONE.html
William Daffer
Anonymous <nob...@newsfeeds.com> writes:
<snip>
> Once again, Mr Morris leaves out my criticisms of Nazism.
>
> Once again, I invite the reader to consider why.
>
> David
Tell me, David. Are you now going to blame John (or me or Scot
Murphy) for this, your *second* 'auto' unmasking?
William
- --
*Don't feed the trolls!*
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David Gehrig <zem...@arthlink.nt.e.e> writes:
Madagascar!
William
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Gord McFee
08:45:39 GMT, John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote:
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> In <38C60F93...@bigwig.com> in alt.revisionism, on Wed, 08 Mar
> 2000 08:30:11 +0000, in the Boy-do-I-Feel-Stupid Department, David
> Michael failed at being Anonymous <nob...@newsfeeds.com> and wrote:
>
> >> >> >Which specific aims of Nazi-ism were good, David? As far as I
> >> >> >can recall, you've never really given a straight answer to
> >> >> >that question.
>
> >> That one he actually answered:
>
> >> <quote>
> >> <cue male chorus humming "The Battle Hymn of the Repugnant">
>
> [snip]
>
> >> </quote>
>
> >> For the complete text of David Michael's paean to Nazism, see
> >> http://www.deja.com/=gh/getdoc.xp?AN=390244357
>
> >> But David Michael says he is not a Nazi.
>
> >Once again, Mr Morris leaves out my criticisms of Nazism.
>
> For the complete text of David Michael's paean to Nazism, see
> http://www.deja.com/=gh/getdoc.xp?AN=390244357
>
> >Once again, I invite the reader to consider why.
>
> >David
>
> The reader may be more interested to know why Mr. Michael is spending
> good money on an anonymous Usenet provider when he said he wouldn't.
Most readers don't really care what Mr Michael does, since he has
already proven himself to be a trolling fat Hitler wanabee.
> Not that anyone really gives a BigHairySpider's Ass.
You betcha!
--
Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time
Visit the Holocaust History Project
http://www.holocaust-history.org
Visit the Nizkor site
http://www.nizkor.org
Sara Salzman
<re...@perdrix.demon.co.uk > wrote:
>cata...@concentric.net (Sara Salzman) wrote:
>
>>In article <xtbx4.2390$NU5.1...@news0.telusplanet.net>,
>>$kr1p7...@tranquil.hegemony.ca wrote:
>>
>>>Brimstone <mr_brimsto...@excite.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>> How are the kids [my children's names removed] doing these days.
>>>
>>>
>>>Is this an attempt at intimidating Sara through mention of her children??
>>
>>Why yes, it is! So was the naming of all my neighbors.
>>
>>Unfortunately for "Brimstone," it's not going to work. His posting of my
>>personal information is not going to silence ot intimidate me.
>>
>
>Good for you. If anyone wants to actually debate you into stopping
>your postings I will not criticise them. But this *is* disgusting. I
>support you in this, though my support means little.
>>>
>>>If so, you are DISGUSTING. Go find another newsgroup to poison. Your
>>>contributions are not wanted, needed, or even helpful here.
>>>
>>However, it DOES demonstrate quite clearly the agenda of the neo-Nazis
>>like Don Ellis, Pat Blakely, and David Michael, doesn't it?
>
>Don Ellis and Brimstone definitely, I don't know about the others, are
>they doing the same?
>>
>>Sara
>>
"revwhite" is the person who posted the names, addresses, and phone
numbers of my neighbors, along with a map of my street. "revwhite"s
information can be found at hatecheck.org, right below Don Ellis.
David Michael, of course, thinks it's appropriate to post the home phone
number of John Morris' supervisor.
Sara
Brimstone
Brimstone
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In <m3bt4os...@localhost.localdomain> in alt.revisionism, on 08
Mar 2000 17:45:28 -0800, William Daffer <whda...@earthlink.net>
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>> Once again, Mr Morris leaves out my criticisms of Nazism.
>> Once again, I invite the reader to consider why.
>> David
> Tell me, David. Are you now going to blame John (or me or Scot
> Murphy) for this, your *second* 'auto' unmasking?
Be prepared to have your boss's home telephone number posted, you
guys.
- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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>David Gehrig <zem...@arthlink.nt.e.e> writes:
>
>> "David S. Maddison" wrote:
>> >
>> > Orac <Or...@mac.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > [..]
>> >
>> > : Why waste perfectly good land on the continental USA and spoil it by
>> > : putting white power rangers on it? Surely there must be some deserted
>> > : islands somewhere where these Brave Aryan Warriors can forge their
>> > : inbred little world and not bother the civilized world.
>> >
>> > And an added bonus would be that their extensive inbreeding would
>> > eventually cause their demise. On the other hand, the examples of the
>> > knuckle-dragging community that I have seen are unlikely to ever find a
>> > breeding partner....which is why they support a culture of rape and
>> > violence.
>>
>> Well, it's interesting to speculate how evolution would deal with it.
>> For example, I imagine that they might eventually develop little wheels
>> on their knuckles to keep them from dragging.
>>
>> @%<
>>
>> > David Maddison
>
>
> Madagascar!
>
>William
>
What, exactly, have the Malagasy done that they should be punished in that way?
Fragano Ledgister
(Fled...@aol.com)
Dawn over the dark sea brings on the sun;
She leans across the hilltop: see, the light!
David E Michael
William Daffer wrote:
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> <snip>
>
> > Once again, Mr Morris leaves out my criticisms of Nazism.
> >
> > Once again, I invite the reader to consider why.
> >
> > David
>
> Tell me, David. Are you now going to blame John (or me or Scot
> Murphy) for this, your *second* 'auto' unmasking?
>
> William
> - --
> *Don't feed the trolls!*
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Don't feed the trolls.
Remember?
David E Michael
Fergus McClelland wrote:
> David E Michael <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Sara Salzman wrote:
> >
> >> In article <38C55E45...@btinternet.com>, David E Michael
> >> <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Sara Salzman wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> In article <xtbx4.2390$NU5.1...@news0.telusplanet.net>,
> >> >> $kr1p7...@tranquil.hegemony.ca wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Brimstone <mr_brimsto...@excite.com.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> >> How are the kids Ari and Rene doing these days.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Is this an attempt at intimidating Sara through mention of her children??
> >> >>
> >> >> Why yes, it is! So was the naming of all my neighbors.
> >> >>
> >> >> Unfortunately for "Brimstone," it's not going to work. His posting of my
> >> >> personal information is not going to silence ot intimidate me.
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >If so, you are DISGUSTING. Go find another newsgroup to poison. Your
> >> >> >contributions are not wanted, needed, or even helpful here.
> >> >> >
> >> >> However, it DOES demonstrate quite clearly the agenda of the neo-Nazis
> >> >> like Don Ellis, Pat Blakely, and David Michael, doesn't it?
> >> >>
> >> >> Sara
> >> >
> >> >More defamation from Ms Salzman. I have publicly criticized 'Nazism'.
> >> >
> >> Do you approve of this posting of my children's names or not?
> >
> >It seems fairly harmless to me. It was you who put them on the web.
>
> But it was you who first posted your name that John Morris used
> against you.
My point exactly. He says it's OK.
There is also a legal point here (say I with a nod in the direction of growls
emanating from Messrs Morris, McVay and others) -- if you place information in the
public domain then, under American law, the use of that information is not an
invasion of privacy.
> And we are not talking about her name, we are talking
> about her children. Blimey David, come on man. This is not "harmless"
> it is intimidation.
Rubbish. Would telling the world that my grandfather was called Edward or that I have
an aunt called Edith intimidate anyone? Nah. All that posting her kids' names does is
show that someone can read Deja.com archives.
>
> >
> >>
> >> If you think I am defaming you, sue me, Dr. Michael.
> >
> >Too expensive considering that you've not inflicted much damage.
> >
> >> Otherwise, shut up.
> >>
> >
> >No.
> >
> >>
> >> Sara
> >
> >David
> >
> >On 5 February 2000 William Daffer wrote: 'total honesty isn't required'.
> >
> >On 21 November 1998 Scot Murphy wrote: 'Yes, these are newsgroups I lurked
> >through--though never contributed to'.
> >
> >On 30 January 2000 Michael Ragland wrote: 'I must admit I have at times done
> >revisionist postings to confuse others and help the anti-revisionist side. How
> >so, well I've stated the Nazis killed millions of Jews but Hitler didn't know
> >about it! I realize that by acknowledging the Nazis killed millions of Jew, even
> >if I have demonstrated there is no proof Hitler knew about the extermination, I
> >have caused some damage to revisionists.'
> >
> >On 8 February 2000 Michael Ragland wrote: 'Sometimes telling half-truths, white
> >lies, etc. is important for self-preservation and to achieve certain ends.'
> >
> >
> >
David
David E Michael
Sara Salzman wrote:
> In article <lvfGOBW9Vxscs4...@4ax.com>, Fergus McClelland
> <re...@perdrix.demon.co.uk > wrote:
>
> >cata...@concentric.net (Sara Salzman) wrote:
> >
> >>In article <xtbx4.2390$NU5.1...@news0.telusplanet.net>,
> >>$kr1p7...@tranquil.hegemony.ca wrote:
> >>
> >>>Brimstone <mr_brimsto...@excite.com.invalid> wrote:
> >>>> How are the kids [my children's names removed] doing these days.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Is this an attempt at intimidating Sara through mention of her children??
> >>
> >>Why yes, it is! So was the naming of all my neighbors.
> >>
> >>Unfortunately for "Brimstone," it's not going to work. His posting of my
> >>personal information is not going to silence ot intimidate me.
> >>
> >
> >Good for you. If anyone wants to actually debate you into stopping
> >your postings I will not criticise them. But this *is* disgusting. I
> >support you in this, though my support means little.
> >>>
> >>>If so, you are DISGUSTING. Go find another newsgroup to poison. Your
> >>>contributions are not wanted, needed, or even helpful here.
> >>>
> >>However, it DOES demonstrate quite clearly the agenda of the neo-Nazis
> >>like Don Ellis, Pat Blakely, and David Michael, doesn't it?
> >
> >Don Ellis and Brimstone definitely, I don't know about the others, are
> >they doing the same?
> >>
> >>Sara
> >>
>
> "revwhite" is the person who posted the names, addresses, and phone
> numbers of my neighbors, along with a map of my street. "revwhite"s
> information can be found at hatecheck.org, right below Don Ellis.
>
> David Michael, of course, thinks it's appropriate to post the home phone
> number of John Morris' supervisor.
>
> Sara
Indeed. So that people can complain about his abuse of public funds and
University of Alberta facilities..
David S. Maddison
[..]
: I might consider Alaska, but why ruin its pristine beauty with white power
: rangers?
Actually, it would be an interesting experiment. White Power Rangers (tm)
usually claim that "Aryans" are smart and Africans are dumb because
"Aryans" had to survive in the harsh climate of northern Europe in the Ice
Age and Africans didn't. It would be interesting to see just how many
hours a W.P.R. could survive in Alaska before freezing solid.
David Maddison
Orac
<david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>William Daffer wrote:
>
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>> Anonymous <nob...@newsfeeds.com> writes:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> > Once again, Mr Morris leaves out my criticisms of Nazism.
>> >
>> > Once again, I invite the reader to consider why.
>> >
>> > David
>>
>> Tell me, David. Are you now going to blame John (or me or Scot
>> Murphy) for this, your *second* 'auto' unmasking?
>>
>> William
>> - --
>> *Don't feed the trolls!*
Of course, you didn't answer William's question.
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."--Orac
a.k.a. |
David Gorski|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"--Orac again
Orac
<david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>Fergus McClelland wrote:
>> And we are not talking about her name, we are talking
>> about her children. Blimey David, come on man. This is not "harmless"
>> it is intimidation.
>
>Rubbish. Would telling the world that my grandfather was called Edward or that
>I have an aunt called Edith intimidate anyone? Nah. All that posting her kids'
>names does is show that someone can read Deja.com archives.
Don't be ridiculous. Mobsters used to (and probably still do) intimidate people
they wanted to keep in line the same way. A shady character might strike up a
conversation with you and then casually ask "How's your child?" or "How's your
wife" using the child or wife's name. The message of intimidation is clear: We
know who your wife and children are and where you live.
Philip Mathews
>David E Michael david.e...@btinternet.com wrote:
Yeah! And I suppose they needed the address just in case they chose to
complain in person.
You're fooling no one.
--
Philip Mathews
On February 1, 1999 David E. Michael said:
If they are so innocent and inoffensive, why have they been reviled and
loathed throughout history in a wide variety of circumstances? There are at
least some aspects of Jewish culture that do, I'm afraid, tend to invite
bitterness. Having been resoundingly stabbed in the back by one whom I liked
and trusted, at a time when I was a lot more favourably disposed to these
people, I assure you that I speak from personal experience.
"Mankind have a great aversion to intellectual labor; but even supposing
knowledge to be easily attainable, more people would be content to be ignorant
than would take even a little trouble to acquire it." Samuel Johnson
David E Michael
Orac wrote:
> In article <38C724B4...@btinternet.com>, David E Michael
In this day and age, Dr G, anyone can find out who anyone is. If people place
information in the public domain they should not be surprised if others read it.
Moreover, if anyone seriously intended to do something horrible to Ms Salzman's
kids I hardly think that they would announce it in advance.
David E Michael
Philip Mathews wrote:
> In >Message-id: <38C724FA...@btinternet.com>
>
> >David E Michael david.e...@btinternet.com wrote:
>
Not ignoring me any more, Mr Mathews?
Jeffrey G. Brown
<m...@administrator.usna.net> wrote:
>The sitution is a no-win situation for everyone involved.
Wrong, Mikey. You've already demonstrated your dishonesty and utter lack
of morals. You lose. Period.
Gord McFee
03:09:43 GMT, John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote:
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> In <m3bt4os...@localhost.localdomain> in alt.revisionism, on 08
> Mar 2000 17:45:28 -0800, William Daffer <whda...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> >Anonymous <nob...@newsfeeds.com> writes:
>
> ><snip>
>
> >> Once again, Mr Morris leaves out my criticisms of Nazism.
>
> >> Once again, I invite the reader to consider why.
>
> >> David
>
> > Tell me, David. Are you now going to blame John (or me or Scot
> > Murphy) for this, your *second* 'auto' unmasking?
>
> Be prepared to have your boss's home telephone number posted, you
> guys.
That would be the pimp's expected next move.
Gord McFee
+0000, Fergus McClelland <re...@perdrix.demon.co.uk > wrote:
> David E Michael <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Sara Salzman wrote:
> >
> >> In article <38C55E45...@btinternet.com>, David E Michael
> >> <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Sara Salzman wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> In article <xtbx4.2390$NU5.1...@news0.telusplanet.net>,
> >> >> $kr1p7...@tranquil.hegemony.ca wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Brimstone <mr_brimsto...@excite.com.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> >> How are the kids Ari and Rene doing these days.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Is this an attempt at intimidating Sara through mention of her children??
> >> >>
> >> >> Why yes, it is! So was the naming of all my neighbors.
> >> >>
> >> >> Unfortunately for "Brimstone," it's not going to work. His posting of my
> >> >> personal information is not going to silence ot intimidate me.
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >If so, you are DISGUSTING. Go find another newsgroup to poison. Your
> >> >> >contributions are not wanted, needed, or even helpful here.
> >> >> >
> >> >> However, it DOES demonstrate quite clearly the agenda of the neo-Nazis
> >> >> like Don Ellis, Pat Blakely, and David Michael, doesn't it?
> >> >>
> >> >> Sara
> >> >
> >> >More defamation from Ms Salzman. I have publicly criticized 'Nazism'.
> >> >
> >> Do you approve of this posting of my children's names or not?
> >
> >It seems fairly harmless to me. It was you who put them on the web.
>
> But it was you who first posted your name that John Morris used
> against you. And we are not talking about her name, we are talking
> about her children. Blimey David, come on man. This is not "harmless"
> it is intimidation.
Welcome to the Nizkook conspiracy, laddie. :-)
Glad to have ye aboard.
William Daffer
Orac <Or...@mac.com> writes:
> In article <38C721EB...@btinternet.com>, David E Michael
> <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> >William Daffer wrote:
> >
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> >>
> >> Anonymous <nob...@newsfeeds.com> writes:
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> > Once again, Mr Morris leaves out my criticisms of Nazism.
> >> >
> >> > Once again, I invite the reader to consider why.
> >> >
> >> > David
> >>
> >> Tell me, David. Are you now going to blame John (or me or Scot
> >> Murphy) for this, your *second* 'auto' unmasking?
> >>
> >> William
> >> - --
> >> *Don't feed the trolls!*
>
> Of course, you didn't answer William's question.
>
No. I didn't expect that he would. He's become such a child, chasing
around and knocking stuff over. It's just too much to expect him to
act like an adult anymore.
I've come to believe that David has decided that the best way to
'expose hypocricy' is to become the perfect hypocrite.
William
- --
*Don't feed the trolls!*
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William Daffer
phil...@aol.com (Philip Mathews) writes:
> In >Message-id: <38C724FA...@btinternet.com>
>
> >David E Michael david.e...@btinternet.com wrote:
>
>
>
> >Sara Salzman wrote:
> >
> >> In article <lvfGOBW9Vxscs4...@4ax.com>, Fergus McClelland
> >> <re...@perdrix.demon.co.uk > wrote:
> >>
> >> >cata...@concentric.net (Sara Salzman) wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>In article <xtbx4.2390$NU5.1...@news0.telusplanet.net>,
> >> >>$kr1p7...@tranquil.hegemony.ca wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>Brimstone <mr_brimsto...@excite.com.invalid> wrote:
> >> >>>> How are the kids [my children's names removed] doing these days.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Is this an attempt at intimidating Sara through mention of her
> >children??
> >> >>
> >> >>Why yes, it is! So was the naming of all my neighbors.
> >> >>
> >> >>Unfortunately for "Brimstone," it's not going to work. His posting of my
> >> >>personal information is not going to silence ot intimidate me.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Good for you. If anyone wants to actually debate you into stopping
> >> >your postings I will not criticise them. But this *is* disgusting. I
> >> >support you in this, though my support means little.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>If so, you are DISGUSTING. Go find another newsgroup to poison. Your
> >> >>>contributions are not wanted, needed, or even helpful here.
> >> >>>
> >> >>However, it DOES demonstrate quite clearly the agenda of the neo-Nazis
> >> >>like Don Ellis, Pat Blakely, and David Michael, doesn't it?
> >> >
> >> >Don Ellis and Brimstone definitely, I don't know about the others, are
> >> >they doing the same?
> >> >>
> >> >>Sara
> >> >>
> >>
> >> "revwhite" is the person who posted the names, addresses, and phone
> >> numbers of my neighbors, along with a map of my street. "revwhite"s
> >> information can be found at hatecheck.org, right below Don Ellis.
> >>
> >> David Michael, of course, thinks it's appropriate to post the home phone
> >> number of John Morris' supervisor.
> >>
> >> Sara
> >
> >Indeed. So that people can complain about his abuse of public funds and
> >University of Alberta facilities..
>
> Yeah! And I suppose they needed the address just in case they chose to
> complain in person.
>
> You're fooling no one.
>
On top of which, he has already agreed that John is *not* abusing
UofA facilities.
William
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Philip Mathews
>David E Michael david.e...@btinternet.com wrote:
>Not ignoring me any more, Mr Mathews?
Who said I was Davey? You don't really think you've said anything worth
responding to recently, do you?
So now tell us how posting John's advisor's _home_ address and telephone number
was necessary other than as a form of intimidation, spider!
David E Michael
Fergus McClelland wrote:
> David E Michael <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Fergus McClelland wrote:
> >
> >> David E Michael <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Sara Salzman wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> In article <38C55E45...@btinternet.com>, David E Michael
> >> >> <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Sara Salzman wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> In article <xtbx4.2390$NU5.1...@news0.telusplanet.net>,
> >> >> >> $kr1p7...@tranquil.hegemony.ca wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >Brimstone <mr_brimsto...@excite.com.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> How are the kids Ari and Rene doing these days.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Is this an attempt at intimidating Sara through mention of her children??
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Why yes, it is! So was the naming of all my neighbors.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Unfortunately for "Brimstone," it's not going to work. His posting of my
> >> >> >> personal information is not going to silence ot intimidate me.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >If so, you are DISGUSTING. Go find another newsgroup to poison. Your
> >> >> >> >contributions are not wanted, needed, or even helpful here.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> However, it DOES demonstrate quite clearly the agenda of the neo-Nazis
> >> >> >> like Don Ellis, Pat Blakely, and David Michael, doesn't it?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Sara
> >> >> >
> >> >> >More defamation from Ms Salzman. I have publicly criticized 'Nazism'.
> >> >> >
> >> >> Do you approve of this posting of my children's names or not?
> >> >
> >> >It seems fairly harmless to me. It was you who put them on the web.
> >>
> >> But it was you who first posted your name that John Morris used
> >> against you.
> >
> >My point exactly. He says it's OK.
>
> Yes, he seems to. Two wrongs etc.
Well applying the concept of 'an eye for an eye', we could say that the second 'wrong' is
legitimized by the first. But in any event, I don't accept that event number two was a
'wrong', as explained at length elsewhere.
>
> >
> >There is also a legal point here (say I with a nod in the direction of growls
> >emanating from Messrs Morris, McVay and others) -- if you place information in the
> >public domain then, under American law, the use of that information is not an
> >invasion of privacy.
>
> There is also the point of morality when you ask a woman in a group
> how her children are and name them. There is a bond between mother and
> child, and to do that is to threaten the mother through her children.
>
I don't much approve of those causes that use women as soldiers so that they can bleat
when the playing gets rough. As far as I'm concerned, if she's 'man' enough to hurl abuse
at people, to campaign for odious causes, to try to use the law to silence people, etc.
etc., she should not subsequently turn around and start whining when people fight back.
She needs to decide whether she wishes to be a responsible mother (which entails not
posting the names of her own kids onto the Internet and then campaigning in a rather
ferocious way against revisionism) or whether she wishes to be a valiant fighter for the
HoloTruth (which entails campaigning away and accepting the consequences like everyone
else).
> >
> >> And we are not talking about her name, we are talking
> >> about her children. Blimey David, come on man. This is not "harmless"
> >> it is intimidation.
> >
> >Rubbish. Would telling the world that my grandfather was called Edward or that I have
> >an aunt called Edith intimidate anyone? Nah. All that posting her kids' names does is
> >show that someone can read Deja.com archives.
>
> No, it shows that someone has been snooping into her life somehow
> somewhere and knows the names of her children, who might be very small
> children. Your grandfather would not be the same thing at all.
On the contrary -- if someone knew the name of my grandfather it would show that they'd
been snooping into my life very thoroughly indeed.
>
> >
> >>
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> If you think I am defaming you, sue me, Dr. Michael.
> >> >
> >> >Too expensive considering that you've not inflicted much damage.
> >> >
> >> >> Otherwise, shut up.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >No.
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Sara
> >> >
> >> >David
> >> >
> >> >On 5 February 2000 William Daffer wrote: 'total honesty isn't required'.
> >> >
> >> >On 21 November 1998 Scot Murphy wrote: 'Yes, these are newsgroups I lurked
> >> >through--though never contributed to'.
> >> >
> >> >On 30 January 2000 Michael Ragland wrote: 'I must admit I have at times done
> >> >revisionist postings to confuse others and help the anti-revisionist side. How
> >> >so, well I've stated the Nazis killed millions of Jews but Hitler didn't know
> >> >about it! I realize that by acknowledging the Nazis killed millions of Jew, even
> >> >if I have demonstrated there is no proof Hitler knew about the extermination, I
> >> >have caused some damage to revisionists.'
> >> >
> >> >On 8 February 2000 Michael Ragland wrote: 'Sometimes telling half-truths, white
> >> >lies, etc. is important for self-preservation and to achieve certain ends.'
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >David
David
Buck Turgidson
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>
> In <38C60F93...@bigwig.com> in alt.revisionism, on Wed, 08 Mar
> 2000 08:30:11 +0000, in the Boy-do-I-Feel-Stupid Department, David
> Michael failed at being Anonymous <nob...@newsfeeds.com> and wrote:
>
> >> >> >Which specific aims of Nazi-ism were good, David? As far as I
> >> >> >can recall, you've never really given a straight answer to
> >> >> >that question.
>
> >> That one he actually answered:
>
> >> <quote>
> >> <cue male chorus humming "The Battle Hymn of the Repugnant">
>
> [snip]
>
> >> </quote>
>
> >> For the complete text of David Michael's paean to Nazism, see
> >> http://www.deja.com/=gh/getdoc.xp?AN=390244357
>
> >> But David Michael says he is not a Nazi.
>
> >Once again, Mr Morris leaves out my criticisms of Nazism.
>
> For the complete text of David Michael's paean to Nazism, see
> http://www.deja.com/=gh/getdoc.xp?AN=390244357
>
> >Once again, I invite the reader to consider why.
>
> >David
>
> The reader may be more interested to know why Mr. Michael is spending
> good money on an anonymous Usenet provider when he said he wouldn't.
>
> Not that anyone really gives a BigHairySpider's Ass.
I love it. You just can't make stuff like this up!
David E Michael
Buck Turgidson wrote:
Unlike stuff such as 'I didn't post to those newsgroups' and 'this is the
entire post'.
Orac
<re...@perdrix.demon.co.uk > wrote:
>Mike Kalvatis <m...@administrator.usna.net> wrote:
>
>>The sitution is a no-win situation for everyone involved.
>>
>>Mike
>
>Best you leave her personal life alone then eh?
And he should stop defending someone else's posting personal details, too.
Orac
<david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>Fergus McClelland wrote:
>> There is also the point of morality when you ask a woman in a group
>> how her children are and name them. There is a bond between mother and
>> child, and to do that is to threaten the mother through her children.
>>
>
>I don't much approve of those causes that use women as soldiers so that they
>can bleat when the playing gets rough. As far as I'm concerned, if she's 'man'
>enough to hurl abuse at people, to campaign for odious causes, to try to use
>the law to silence people, etc. etc., she should not subsequently turn around
>and start whining when people fight back. She needs to decide whether she
>wishes to be a responsible mother (which entails not posting the names of her
>own kids onto the Internet and then campaigning in a rather ferocious way
>against revisionism) or whether she wishes to be a valiant fighter for the
>HoloTruth (which entails campaigning away and accepting the consequences like
>everyone else).
LOL! Here, basically, you seem to be saying that a mother who dares to fight
against Holocaust denial should expect to have her childrend threatened and that
therefore a "responsible" mother should not enter the fight. You've basically
admitted that Holocaust deniers are in general nasty and potentially dangerous
people!
[Snip]
Orac
<gmc...@attglobal.net> wrote:
>In <FPjGOLTYIdUurS...@4ax.com>, on Thu, 09 Mar 2000 03:28:26
>+0000, Fergus McClelland <re...@perdrix.demon.co.uk > wrote:
>
>> David E Michael <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> >It seems fairly harmless to me. It was you who put them on the web.
>>
>> But it was you who first posted your name that John Morris used
>> against you. And we are not talking about her name, we are talking
>> about her children. Blimey David, come on man. This is not "harmless"
>> it is intimidation.
>
>Welcome to the Nizkook conspiracy, laddie. :-)
>
>Glad to have ye aboard.
So, let's see. How many "Nizkor plants" do we have now, according to David
Michael?