Do you sin?
ver...@gefinden.com
"No."
> Please provide examples of how often
"Zero."
> and of what kind?
"None."
The word of the Lord in measure of the above:
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in
us.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our
sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in
us.
My little children, I am writing this to you so that you may not sin;
but if any one does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus
Christ the righteous; and he is the expiation for our sins, and not for
ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
guardian Snow
Live to win. Apostle Paul said:
1Co 9:24 Do you not know that those who run in a race indeed all run,
but one receives the prize? Run in such a way as to obtain it.
Ask yourself, does the person who is winning the race suddenly stop
before the finish to kick the person in last place? One of my
favorite songs says,
Runner by Manfred Mann
“Through the night, through the dawn
Behind you another runner is born
Don't look back, you've been there
Feel the mist as your breath hits the air
And it's underneath the moonlight
Passing some
Still your heart beats in the moonlight
Like a drum
And you will run your time
A shooting star across the sky
And you will surely cross the line
To pass on the flame” -
Not everybody is going to win this race but most certainly, you can be
on that winning team that comes to the truth and recognize your own
divine nature. Why do so many claim to “live in sin” which is a
present tense, self defeating negative statement of their own state?
If you are forgiven and made whole then if you are truly “one with the
spirit” you will no longer retain those old ways of thought and
perfection is within your reach but first, YOU MUST BELIEVE.
Mat 12:37 “For by your words you shall be declared righteous, and by
your words you shall be declared unrighteous.”
Words are awesome power and contain within them the very “mystery” of
life. I speak of a mystery not because it is any secret revelation
given to me but because so few understand that in reality science
shows your faith, your belief and your works can and do make you whole
and strong. As you believe, it will be done said the Messiah.
Mat 8:13 And Yehoshua said to the captain, “Go, and as you have
believed, so let it be done for you.” And his servant was healed that
hour.
So many people actually demonstrate a lack of faith and these people
do not need to be corrected or put down or even argued against because
this is not the Messianic doctrine of peace.
Simply put, if I spent all my days like some going around telling you
about all the false witnesses in the world, I would never truly obey
my Masters teachings to spread the Good News that the power of life,
forgiveness and even healing come to those who know, obey and keep to
the teachings of Torah.
I am a spiritual being with a body and connection to my source of
being, connects me to an infinite power that when understood grants me
the ability of source energy that Hebrew Scriptures names, YAHWEH. If
I spoke of the marvelous things that have manifested in my life by his
name, most would ridicule me and trample me down as a dog but this
understanding is clear, when we follow the true teachings of the Torah
and the spiritual giants of our Masters the prophets, conflict
disappears and we become one with the will of Yahweh and that source
and I say now that whether for good or evil, what we focus on will
manifest according to our belief.
So many have become slave to a dogma that says they must continue to
live in transgression of the Torah? Why would you believe you are
anything less that PERFECTION? Why believe you are unable to keep the
Torah when at it’s very core of the doctrine it says, “Do what is
right” and “Love Elohim, your neighbor and the stranger who sojourns
amongst you” for we were once strangers ourselves but now are called
to be Priest of the most high EL YAHWEH.
Mat 17:20 And Yehoshua said to them, “Because of your unbelief, for
truly, I say to you, if you have belief as a mustard seed, you shall
say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it shall move.
And no matter shall be impossible for you.”
If NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE, you are only demonstrating unbelief when you
confirm these teachings that you continue to live in sin for in it,
you deny that you are forgiven and made whole by your belief and now
should do the works accordingly as our Messiah taught, guarding ALL
that he commanded and living a life by the examples that he left for
us to follow after… only then do we understand what he taught us to
“take up your stake” and to “follow me” for in it, we understand that
we are equals with him as one brother is to another.
Mat 12:48 But He answering, said to the one who spoke to Him, “Who is
My mother and who are My brothers?”
Mat 12:49 And having stretched out His hand toward His taught ones, He
said, “See My mother and My brothers!
Mat 12:50 “For whoever does the desire of My Father who is in the
heavens is My brother and sister and mother.”
YAHWEH is not a respecter of your sex and this applies to woman as
well, that no person is left behind in this race to the finish… that
UNITY is by SPIRIT and the power of OUR WORD and so, carry your torch
and be that light, that beacon on the hill and recognize YOUR
righteousness in Yahweh and do what is right to win the race, keep
running underneath the moonlight and blaze your trail that others may
follow YOU in example. If not for yourself, do it for your children…
your friends, your family… you know what is right but first you must
believe that you are capable and put away self defeating thoughts of
imperfections and inability and truly adopt that euphemist that
President Obama made so famous that says, “Yes, WE CAN!” We can, when
we do what is right and connect to that infinite source to envision
what should be for the Torah is a Universal way of life, not a curse
to be shunned or feared.
Rom 3:31 Do we then nullify the Torah through the belief? Let it not
be! On the contrary, we establish the Torah.1 Footnote: 1See 7:12.
Establish the Torah in your life through belief because until you
actually work it by putting your beliefs into action, you have simply
gone into unbelief in your own ability to do what is right.
Mat 7:12 “Therefore, whatever you wish men to do to you, do also to
them, for this is the Torah and the Prophets.”
Shalom,
*´¨)
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(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
Be thou the rainbow in the storms of life. The evening beam that
smiles the clouds away, and tints tomorrow with prophetic ray.
Lord Byron
Please come post your comments at
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/messianic_Yehoshua/
A public forum for those who believe.
“You’re the voice” by John Farnham
We have
The chance to turn the pages over
We can write what we want to write
We gotta make ends meet, before we get much older
We're all someone's daughter
We're all someone's son
How long can we look at each other
Down the barrel of a gun?
Chorus:
You're the voice, try and understand it
Make a noise and make it clear
Oh-o-o-o, whoa-o-o-o!
We're not gonna sit in silence
We're not gonna live with fear
Oh-o-o-o, whoa-o-o-o!
This time
We know we all stand together
With the power to be powerful
Believing, we can make it better
Portions of this post have been reprinted from (Scriptures +1998)
version which you can download for free at
http://www.isr-messianic.org/
Michael Christ
<ver...@gefinden.com> wrote in message
news:4af03042$0$11054$1c46...@news.club.cc.cmu.edu...
Interesting that it doesn't say, 'when one sins', it says, 'if any one does
sin'. Apparently the ones who are in the 'when one sins' department declare
that everyone has to be like them. :-).
Michael Christ
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) wrote:
>
> >> Dr. Chung do you sin?
> >
> > "No."
Not while in the Holy Spirit.
> >> Please provide examples of how often
> >
> > "Zero."
> >
> >> and of what kind?
> >
> > "None."
> >
> > The word of the Lord in measure of the above:
> >
> > If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in
> > us.
The sin remains in the past as those of us who have stopped sinning by
being mindful of WDJW and doing what He wants remain sinners having
sin in our past.
Meanwhile the following is a recent explication of how born again
Christians can keep sinning though forgiven of all their sins:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/013d97011bed20f3?
Lying is sinning though Jimmy Alpha is forgiven.
http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven
> > If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our
> > sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
> >
> > If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in
> > us.
> >
> > My little children, I am writing this to you so that you may not sin;
> > but if any one does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus
> > Christ the righteous; and he is the expiation for our sins, and not for
> > ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
>
> Interesting that it doesn't say, 'when one sins', it says, 'if any one does
> sin'. Apparently the ones who are in the 'when one sins' department declare
> that everyone has to be like them. :-).
Why are you happy about the latter fact?
Bottom line concerning you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b4c60eecdce69bbd?
May GOD renew and strengthen your brain about knowing what is right
(Jeremiah 9:24), Mike, so that you would be able to rein in your
deceitful heart (Jeremiah 17:9) which is causing you to continue
sinning.
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Heart Doctor
and Author of "Trust the Truth:"
http://www.amazon.com/-/e/B002G22ZWG
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?
Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?
Michael Christ
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
news:94137a10-cba9-4cad...@m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
Verity wrote:
>> > My little children, I am writing this to you so that you may not sin;
>> > but if any one does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus
>> > Christ the righteous; and he is the expiation for our sins, and not for
>> > ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
Michael Christ wrote:
>> Interesting that it doesn't say, 'when one sins', it says, 'if any one
>> does
>> sin'. Apparently the ones who are in the 'when one sins' department
>> declare
>> that everyone has to be like them. :-).
Andrew wrote:
> Why are you happy about the latter fact?
Because there is no way they determine what it is like to be in the Lord.
Michael Christ
ver...@gefinden.com
If so, how often?
And of what nature?
Dr. Chung, do you confess your sins?
Jimmy Alpha
> Michael Christ wrote:
>> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) wrote:
>>
>>>> Dr. Chung do you sin?
>>> "No."
>
> Not while in the Holy Spirit.
>
>>>> Please provide examples of how often
>>> "Zero."
>>>
>>>> and of what kind?
>>> "None."
>>>
>>> The word of the Lord in measure of the above:
>>>
>>> If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in
>>> us.
>
> The sin remains in the past as those of us who have stopped sinning by
> being mindful of WDJW and doing what He wants remain sinners having
> sin in our past.
>
> Meanwhile the following is a recent explication of how born again
> Christians can keep sinning though forgiven of all their sins:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/013d97011bed20f3?
>
> Lying is sinning though Jimmy Alpha is forgiven.
How does Jimmy Alpha, or his sins relate in this discourse? I'll light a
candle for you charlie...
Jimmy "playing with matches" Alpha
guardian Snow
> > Why are you happy about the latter fact?
>
> Because there is no way they determine what it is like to be in the Lord.
>
> Michael Christ
A statement of disconnection if I ever heard one...
Thommadura
> Dr. Chung, do you sin?
No one sins - because that would require a god to exist
ANd to date - no god has managed to prove that.
Michael Christ
"guardian Snow" <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote in message
news:2c85471b-63b5-4fa3...@m33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
Truth doesn't always accommodate opinion.
Michael Christ
guardian Snow
> "guardian Snow" <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote in message
I find a lot of truth in that opinion:)
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
Your delighting in evil does not bode well for your brain.
Jimmy Alpha
> Mike McClean wrote:
> Bottom line concerning you:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b4c60eecdce69bbd?
>
> May GOD renew and strengthen your brain about knowing what is right
> (Jeremiah 9:24), Mike, so that you would be able to rein in your
> deceitful heart (Jeremiah 17:9) which is causing you to continue
> sinning.
>
> Amen.
Why are you using the same lines on him as you use on *me!* Charlie, are
you so unfaithful to *me*, Jimmy Alpha that you can't find new passages
for Mic McClean?
Jimmy "feeling soiled" Alpha
ver...@gefinden.com
If so:
Of what kind?
How often?
Do you confess them?
Michael Christ
Michael Christ wrote:
>> Because there is no way they determine what it is like to be in the Lord.
Andrew wrote:
> Your delighting in evil does not bode well for your brain.
You don't determine anyone's life but your own Andrew.
Try to let the Lord Jesus decide what is and what isn't in all the rest.
Michael Christ
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
>
> > Redirecting all praise and glory to GOD and not to this disciple of
> > Jesus.
>
> Obviously we need to recognise that and give you praise Andrew.
Lie.
"What your heart wants is not what your heart needs." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
It remains this disciple's personal choice to continue to serve as one
of the LORD's lamps:
"In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see
your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven." -- LORD Jesus
Christ (Mt 5:16)
Amen.
Laus Deo for His writing WDJW on this disciple's heart:
ThomM
> Andrew Chung doesn't decide much at all really.
Indeed - let JC appear and decide
DOn't lsiten to michael - even he now admits he is not worth listening
to
ver...@gefinden.com
If so,
Michael Christ
> "What your heart wants is not what your heart needs." -- Holy Spirit
Unless you are perfect that is a message the Holy Spirit has given you for
you, Andy.
Michael Christ
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
>
> > Redirecting all praise and glory to GOD and not to this disciple of
> > Jesus.
>
> Obviously we need to recognise that and give you praise Andrew.
Lie.
"What your heart wants is not what your heart needs." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
Michael Christ
How bold you are.
We obviously need to recognise you and give you praise, Andrew.
Michael Christ
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
>
MoSn
(in article <NhOIm.52522$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>):
You cannot have a rational and sane discourse with someone who makes up
quotes from the Holy Spirit, ..... not sure which of you two is the bigger
ffool ..... the one who makes up these quotes or the one arguing with the one
making up the quotes. I would hope that at least one of you realizes the
folly and doing it for amusement .... but maybe not
ver...@gefinden.com
If so,
How often?
Of what kind?
Do you confess them?
Michael Christ
"MoSn" <mos...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C7199606...@news.x-privat.org...
> On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 23:15:25 -0600, Michael Christ wrote
> (in article <NhOIm.52522$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>):
>
>> Andrew Chung says:
>>> "What your heart wants is not what your heart needs." -- Holy Spirit
>>
>> Unless you are perfect that is a message the Holy Spirit has given you
>> for
>> you, Andy.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Christ
>>
MoSn wrote:
> You cannot have a rational and sane discourse with someone who makes up
> quotes from the Holy Spirit, ..... not sure which of you two is the bigger
> ffool ..... the one who makes up these quotes or the one arguing with the
> one
> making up the quotes. I would hope that at least one of you realizes the
> folly and doing it for amusement .... but maybe not
There is nothing wrong with the quote of the Holy Spirit with Andrew, he
just has to learn that the Holy Spirit is speaking to him.
You don't have all the answers, all the vision, all the understanding, or
all the knowledge for us.
If you think you do, then lets have them. Otherwise continue on you way in
your glory.
You peek in the window and you think you know something...that is the folly
of a 'fool'.
Michael Christ
ThomM
> "MoSn" <mosn...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:0001HW.C7199606...@news.x-privat.org...
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 23:15:25 -0600, Michael Christ wrote
>
> >> Andrew Chung says:
> >>> "What your heart wants is not what your heart needs." -- Holy Spirit
>
> >> Unless you are perfect that is a message the Holy Spirit has given you
> >> for
> >> you, Andy.
>
> >> Michael Christ
>
> MoSn wrote:
> > You cannot have a rational and sane discourse with someone who makes up
> > quotes from the Holy Spirit, ..... not sure which of you two is the bigger
> > ffool ..... the one who makes up these quotes or the one arguing with the
> > one
> > making up the quotes. I would hope that at least one of you realizes the
> > folly and doing it for amusement .... but maybe not
>
> There is nothing wrong with the quote of the Holy Spirit with Andrew, he
> just has to learn that the Holy Spirit is speaking to him.
THere is NOTHING you can prove is a statement of the HOLEY GHOST -
since you cannot prove the existence of it either.
One just must learn that this is HUMANS making it up for other humans
- ie - a fraud.
>
> If you think you do, then lets have them. Otherwise continue on you way in
> your glory.
Indeed - if YOU have proof of a Holey Ghost - by all means provide it
- or continue on your own way to oblivion
WE who have already been saved - know better.
Michael Christ
>Indeed - if YOU have proof of a Holey Ghost - by all means provide it
>- or continue on your own way to oblivion
Then we travel the same way, so what's your problem? Can't I live as I
choose in your glorious existence? I don't chase you around. What's the
matter, are you unhappy?
Its better to have some hope, however small, than to have none at all. That
is my thought. It may not be yours, but hey.
But you see its your motives that betray you, for if you were truly sincere
in your actions you would just live and let live, but you can't because in
reality you fight God. And if you want proof of that, I promise you, one
day you will have it and I promise you this also, you won't want it.
ThomM wrote:
>WE who have already been saved - know better.
You're saved are you? From what? From monotonous circular intellectually
challenged reasoning, and subsequent ad nauseum and repetitious argument?
:-).
You have no proof that there isn't a God! If that not be true, then provide
the proof. That should be the end of the story, but not to you 'know better
geniuses'.
Michael Christ
ThomM
>
> news:0001HW.C7199606...@news.x-privat.org...
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 23:15:25 -0600, Michael Christ wrote
>
> >> Andrew Chung says:
> >>> "What your heart wants is not what your heart needs." -- Holy Spirit
>
> >> Unless you are perfect that is a message the Holy Spirit has given you
> >> for
> >> you, Andy.
>
> >> Michael Christ
>
> MoSn wrote:
> > You cannot have a rational and sane discourse with someone who makes up
> > quotes from the Holy Spirit, ..... not sure which of you two is the bigger
> > ffool ..... the one who makes up these quotes or the one arguing with the
> > one
> > making up the quotes. I would hope that at least one of you realizes the
> > folly and doing it for amusement .... but maybe not
>
> There is nothing wrong with the quote of the Holy Spirit with Andrew, he
> just has to learn that the Holy Spirit is speaking to him.
>
> You don't have all the answers, all the vision, all the understanding, or
> all the knowledge for us.
>
> If you think you do, then lets have them. Otherwise continue on you way in
> your glory.
>
> You peek in the window and you think you know something...that is the folly
> of a 'fool'.
Indeed - those who believe something - -but offer no PROOF of what
they say - are just fools
At least YOU admit you are one -
ThomM
> ThomM wrote:
> >Indeed - if YOU have proof of a Holey Ghost - by all means provide it
> >- or continue on your own way to oblivion
>
> Then we travel the same way, so what's your problem? Can't I live as I
> choose in your glorious existence? I don't chase you around. What's the
> matter, are you unhappy?
No problem
Do you have a problem with me exposing YOU for the fraud you are?
> ThomM wrote:
> >WE who have already been saved - know better.
>
> You're saved are you?
Yes - we are
YOU are the one who has to constantly LIE about your beliefs
WE don't
ThomM
>
That does not establish that there is one.
That only puts gods in the same class as the easter bunny - santa
claus - leprechauns, and lots of other MYTHS and LEGENDS
The fraud of religion is that humans like you set the rules for others
- and in doing so break those same rules.
You tell us not to be judgemental - when you tell us we are not going
to be saved
You tell us not to lie - when you LIE all the time about things you
claim a god said that were never said by anyone but a human.
You say we have no proof of no gods - when in fact - you have NO proof
of them either.
And then you say you have PROOF - and never present any of it -
because you are again lying.
You claim the bible to be the word of a god - but pick and choose
among it for what you believe - and what you dismiss. Just look at the
different people here in this group to see just how different their
beliefs are.
And then you EACH claim that your personal way is the only way to be
saved - when in fact there is NOTHING to be saved from that you have
established - and more important - by making up your own religion -you
prove yours is HUMAN created.
You define what you want your god to be - and what you want him not to
be - often contradicting yourself in the effort. If there is ONLY ONE
CREATOR - it created BOTH good and evil - for example.
And since YOU are the one defining your gods - you establish the
definition as a human creation,.
If a god actually existed - it would have its own definition -
established for ALL
You could not get complete agreement from just the thiests in this
group alone - much less among the over 39,000 different sects of
christianity who are linked only by the title of one of their gods.
Those of us who are already saved from this nonsense can easily see
the FOLLY in what you say
Michael Christ
> You have no proof that there isn't a God!
ThomM wrote:
>That does not establish that there is one.
Monotonous circular intellectually challenged reasoning, and subsequent ad
nauseum and repetitious argument, ThomM
Whatsamatter, don't you like equality? You can't prove there isn't a God so
you are a fraud.
Michael Christ
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
>
> > Redirecting all praise and glory to GOD and not to this disciple of
> > Jesus.
>
> Obviously we need to recognise that and give you praise Andrew.
Lie.
"What your heart wants is not what your heart needs." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
Thommadura
> Michael Christ wrote:
>> You have no proof that there isn't a God!
>
> ThomM wrote:
>> That does not establish that there is one.
>
> Monotonous circular intellectually challenged reasoning, and subsequent
> ad nauseum and repetitious argument, ThomM
Since you use the same OLD argument - you simply describe yourself as well.
>
> Whatsamatter, don't you like equality? You can't prove there isn't a
> God so you are a fraud.
I do not need to PROVE there is NO god
As an agnostic - we accept only was is PROVEN about gods - and NOTHING
is - so MY position is based on TRUTH
Something you cannot truthfully say about yours - so when you claim you
know anything about a god - you are the FRAUD
singin4free
What would you accept as proof?
MU
Ill answer that for Thommy.
A personal visit for Thommy Only with the heavens flashing, dozens of
neato tricks like spinning Saturn backwards and God groveling and
asking, "Is that good enough for you, gee, I sure want to get your
acceptance, it is waaaaaaay so important to humanity and, of course, to
my Infinite Being.
LOL
Thommadura
The god
monkfish
Do you even know what God is?
--
monkfish
Thommadura
I do not want a personal visit -= that would NOT prove a god to ALL - in
fact - I do not care if I am there.
I want the god to appear and prove itself to ALL people of the earth in
a manner that would have all the so called "wrong' religions (noting
that YOURS does not have to be correct either) will accept that god -
and its message. FOr instance - I want to see all of ISLAM and Hindusim
see the god - and accept it.
If a god has all the powers that MU and claims - he should have no
problem actually doing that one.
MU creates a bunch of nonsense - to support that lack of credibility on
gods to begin with. And I note - no god has appeared and verified his
nonsense either!!!!!!!
ThomM
Apparently NOTHING - no one can prove anything about them
YOu certainly have not proven anything
ThomM
It takes a real Juvenile to post such nonsense - proving what you
based on what you say (ROFL)
I do not want a personal visit -= that would NOT prove a god to ALL -
in fact - I do not care if I am there.
I want the god to appear and prove itself to ALL people of the earth
in a manner that would have all the so called "wrong' religions
(noting that YOURS does not have to be correct either) will accept
that god - and its message. FOr instance - I want to see all of ISLAM
and Hindusim see the god - and accept it.
If a god has all the powers that MU and claims - he should have no
problem actually doing that one. Of course - that leaves open for the
possibility that 28 million gods might show up for a brawl too!
MU
> I want
Good luck with what *you* want you self-centered brat.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Him:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/518c33efe51560d7?
<><
"The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the
LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)
Amen.
A Spirit-guided exegesis of Proverbs 16:33 ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/085dcffcafb7e4e2?
Nothing happens by chance because everything happens only as GOD
allows it (Ecclesiastes 9:11):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21527d1832960109?
Sign that GOD can easily unleash an H5N1 Pandemic, for which there is
no vaccine, at any time:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a4581567229974c0?
What we are teaching to prepare folks in our local communities for the
probable eventuality of a Pan-Flu virus deadlier than the current H1N1
Pandemic virus (i.e. one for which there is no vaccine):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmkax1wbRU
How to not be fearful:
Trust the truth, Who is Jesus !!!
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2009th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
Hunger is the physical "hearts burning within us" feeling that unlocks
the 4 mysteries of the "Road to Emmaus" adventure described in Luke
24:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/386f56c2f6d0b154?
Moreover, being hungrier is the key to being Jesus' disciples:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bd20d7c4fe878897?
Being physically hungrier is how we will physically recognize Jesus
when He physically returns for us to meet Him physically in the air:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ffa6609710ea9587?
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Jesus is LORD, forever !!!
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier for mind, body, and soul:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Be Hungry"
http://NetCabal.com
"Don't be left behind as were Cleopas and Simon ...
... -----------------> be hungry ! ! !"
Michael Christ
Michael Christ
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lo...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
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Michael Christ
Until you can provide the proof, then all you have to say is moot and
fraudulent.
Michael Christ
"Thommadura" <tomm...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:4af564fc$0$5006$607e...@cv.net...
Michael Christ
Therefore all you have is...
"Monotonous circular intellectually challenged reasoning, and subsequent ad
nauseum and repetitious argument, ThomM."
Yawn.
Michael Christ
"ThomM" <tomm...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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ThomM
IF you actually had any proof - you would be shoving it down our
throats all the time
But OBVIOUSLY you can't because you HAVE none.
So - you attack the question - or the questioner - typical theist
nonsense
ANd all it is - -is an admission that you have no real answers to
supply
It must suck to be YOU!
ThomM
> You have no proof that there isn't a God.
>
> Until you can provide the proof, then all you have to say is moot and
> fraudulent.
And YOU have no proof there is a god - nor has any god provided any
such proof as well
ANd that means that everything YOU claim a god has said is FALSE and
you are a fraud
Congratulations!
ThomM
> You have no proof there is not a God ThomM, like your Daddy.
>
> Therefore all you have is...
>
The same thing YOU have -
No proof that gods exist - and KNOWING absolutely NOTHING about them
at all
So - whatever YOU say is false.
At least agnostics - who only accepts what is PROVEN truth - will
ALWAYS have TRUTH on our side.
YOu will NEVER have any
dolf
relation to the sabbath.
That has been provided to you many times before, so there is no
integrity in your comment below.
My argument will stand for at least the next 293 years as the
solar/lunar cycles are in sync with the Gregorian calendar.
A variation of the 22/7 {= 3.1428571...} equation as rational PI
computation and the 364 day cycle from the DATE(1996,3,20) + (5 * 364) +
182 days = Wednesday DATE(2001,9,12) gives the Equinox of Saturday
DATE(2001,9,23) as commencing the Sabbath year and the reprise
associated to the following schema as a transcendent negation of the
Gregorian cycle of 400 years as the basis for replacement theology,
which is as 146097 days evenly divisible by seven:
#0 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 4000 BCE
#400 MOD 22 = 17 [#PE / #80]
#800 MOD 22 = 12 [#LAMED / #30]
#1200 MOD 22 = 7 [#ZAYIN / #7]
#1600 MOD 22 = 2 [#BETH / #2]
#2000 MOD 22 = 19 [#QOPH / #100]
#2400 MOD 22 = 14 [#NUN / #50]
#2800 MOD 22 = 9 [#TETH / #9]
#3200 MOD 22 = 4 [#DALETH / #4]
#3600 MOD 22 = 21 [#SHIN / #300]
#4000 MOD 22 = 16 [#'AYIN / #70] = #0 CE as HETEROS autonomic
transformative prototype and symbolic associator to series #15, #34,
#65, #111, #175, #260, #369 ... #2000 Y2K
Paul, an Apostle (not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ
and God the Father who raised him from the dead) [Galatians 1:1]--a
former prosecutor, persecutor and murderer of Judaeo-Christians in 60-62
CE says: "...the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among
who also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh,
fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature
children of wrath, just as the others.
But God, who is rich in mercy, because of his great love with which he
loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together
with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised up together, and
made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus, THAT IN THE
AGES TO COME he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in kindness
towards us in Christ Jesus." [Ephesians 2:2-6]
#4400 MOD 22 = 11 [#KAF / #20] = #400 CE
#4800 MOD 22 = 6 [#VAV / #6] = #800 CE
#5200 MOD 22 = 1 [#ALEPH / #1] = #1200 CE
#5600 MOD 22 = 18 [#TSADE / #90] = #1600 CE
#6000 MOD 22 = 13 [#MEM / #40] = #2000 Y2K / Equinox of DATE(1996,3,20)
/ @ (21 March = 1 Nisan) + (5 * 364) + 182 days = Wednesday
DATE(2001,9,12) with Equinox of Saturday DATE(2001,9,23) commencing the
Sabbath year of 'oth cycle has #369 with Septet #41 centric on 13-17
September 2001 / @ 18 September = 1 Tishri 5762.
#1 = [the major premise {YANG/FATHER/HEAVEN/MALE/FORM - Formula of
Universal Law}, which contains the law of that will:
7 x 24 x 13 = 2184 days of the 'oth cycle = 6D or 6 x 364 associated to
the 'constant sequence of sun and moon' as 354 x 3 + 30 day
intercalation = 1092 days x 2 = 2184 days] +
#2 = [the minor premise {YIN/MOTHER/EARTH/FEMALE/MATTER - Formula of
Humanity - HEAD OF STATE}, which contains the command to behave in
accordance with the law, that is, the principle of subsumption under the
law:
x 49 = 6J or 294 x 364 days or 365.2425 x 293 years - Vernal Equinox
Wednesday 20 March 1996 / 21 March = 1 Nisan 5756; and] +
#3 = [the conclusion {ZHUN/SON/SEA/ENUMERATE/OFFSPRING - Formula of
Autonomy}, which contains the verdict (sentence), that is laid down as
right in the case at hand: ... 6,000 topical years as Telos ('achariyth
as 122J3W1D) = Arch (re'shiyth as 3W1D) + c� [9(9�+1)/2]:
has #369 with Septet #41 {ie. #81 - #27 - #9 - #3 - #1} centric on {ie.
20 March 1996 + (5*364) + 182 = 12 Sept 2001 as 1st day of 7th solar
month = #0 - Zero point} 13-17 September 2001 / 18 September = 1 Tishri
5762. ref: "On [Sunday 16 September 2001 as] the 1st day of the [21st
priestly] course of Jachin {he that strengthens and makes steadfast} on
the 29th day of lunar month, on the 5th day of the 7th solar month."
[4Q321]] +
#4 = 'OTH Chronological Elements = #10 as {Totality of Nature = Formula
of Progression of individual phenomena: #1 = {0: 1} + #2 = {0: -1, 1: 1}
+ #3 = {0: 0, 1: 1} + #4 = {0: 1, 1: 1} = #10 = {0: 1, 1: 0, 2: 1}}
vCube Balanced Ternary System distribution: #1 = {0: 1}; #41 = {0: -1,
1: -1, 2: -1, 3: -1, 4: 1}; #81 = (0: 0, 1: 0, 2:0, 3:0, 4:1}
- http://www.grapple.id.au/Chronicles/images/toth9.gif
Telos ('achariyth as 122J3W1D or 6,000 topical years) = Arch (re'shiyth
as 3W1D) + c� [9(9�+1)/2]
"For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes are
clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his
eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because,
although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God, nor were they
thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts
were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the
glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man
(image of male and female)--and birds and four-footed beasts and
creeping things." [Deuteronomy 4:15-19; Romans 1:20]
#6400 MOD 22 = 8 [#CHET / #8]
#6800 MOD 22 = 3 [#GIMEL / #3]
#7200 MOD 22 = 20 [#RESH / #200]
#7600 MOD 22 = 15 [#SAMEK / #60]
#8000 MOD 22 = 10 [#YOD / #10]
#8400 MOD 22 = 5 [#HE / #5]
#8800 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 8800 CE
The "Angel of the presence, who went before the camp of Israel" which is
here described in the Book of Jubilees by association to an
understanding of the 10 Commandments and chronology is further related
to a circular reality as technology and the most sacred Names of God
derived from 3 Biblical texts of [Exodus 14:19-21] which each contain 72
letters: "And the angel of the presence, who went before the camp of
Israel [Exodus 14:19], took the TABLETS OF THE DIVISION OF YEARS FROM
THE TIME OF CREATION OF THE LAW AND TESTIMONY ACCORDING TO THEIR WEEKS
(OF YEARS), ACCORDING TO THE JUBILEES, year by year throughout the full
number of Jubilees, from the DAY OF CREATION UNTIL THE DAY OF THE NEW
CREATION WHEN THE HEAVEN AND EARTH AND ALL OF THEIR CREATURES SHALL BE
RENEWED ACCORDING TO THE POWERS OF HEAVEN AND ACCORDING TO THE WHOLE
NATURE OF EARTH, until the sanctuary of the LORD is created in Jerusalem
upon Mount Zion.
And all of the lights will be renewed for healing and peace and blessing
for all of the elect of Israel and in order that it might be thus from
that day and unto all the days of the earth." [Book of Jubilees 1:29]
These 3 Biblical texts of [Exodus 14:19-21] describe the miraculous
parting of the Red Sea before the people of Israel as they fled the
bondage of Pharaoh's Egypt.
First, the 72 Names are a technology for asserting the power of the
human consciousness over physicality. That is, the power of mind over
matter, which Kabbalah has always understood and which science is just
now beginning to grasp. However, the Names themselves depend on your
individual consciousness, and on your commitment to what the kabbalists
call proactive behaviour.
What is proactive behaviour? First and foremost, it is a stepping back
from reactive impulses, for there is no way we can have consciousness of
God--to say nothing of God's consciousness--unless we step back. Without
this proactive behaviour, even this most powerful of all technologies
cannot possibly work for us. Whenever it seems that misfortune has
suddenly been thrust upon you, step back. This does not mean acceptance
of the circumstances--if someone slaps you in the face, you might indeed
hit them back--but it does mean a level of consciousness above mere
reactivity. The technology of 72 Names can and will work for you, but
not without proactive behaviour.
My second point is related to the problems caused by reactive impulses,
specifically difficulties related to ego. In the biblical text that is
the foundation of the 72 Names, ego is personified by the Pharaoh of
Egypt. As the ego-driven impulses in our own lives draw away from growth
and transformation, Pharaoh gives the Israelites their freedom, but then
changes his mind and sends his army after them and ultimately into the
waters of the Red Sea. Ego will always play this game, particularly if
we make an effort to be proactive. Once again, step back from this
impulse. Be aware that your normal state of being in the physical world
is reactive consciousness. We are always being called upon to play ego's
game. With the ego it is always a lose-lose situation. It we are
concerned with winning, that's ego. If we are concerned with losing,
that's ego too. Using the 72 Names helps us to move beyond the ego's game.
When you commit yourself to proactive behaviour and to the renunciation
of ego games, the technology of the 72 Names is truly within your grasp.
Very simply put, this is the power of mind over matter. This is the
ability to eliminate every kind of chaos, whether in the form of
intangible fears and negative emotions, or the all-too-tangible
challenges of cancer and other serious illnesses. Consciousness is the
power that underlies every action and event in the material world.
Whether it is the simple act of raising your arm or the spontaneous
healing of life-threatening disease the process begins in consciousness.
The 72 Names of God are the bridge between this power of consciousness
and its manifestation in the physical realm." [(c) 2003 Kabbalist Rav
Yehuda Berg, 'The 72 Names of God -- Technology for the Soul (tm)', p xiii]
The point within the circle occurs when radius = 1 and in the Jubilee
year 49J7W, where the circumference = 22/7 commences as #0 (ternary
number) with the new Moon on Wednesday 20 March Equinox and on every 364
x 294 or 365.2425 x 293 days thereafter. The last of 1996 CE as grafting
into the 6D cycle and the determination of an Infinity Loop made in
relation to a rational cosmological understanding intrinsic to God
having given Moses two tablets of stone written with the finger of God.
The point within the circle also plays a role in German Philosopher
Heidegger's (1889�1976) cogito as the starting point of philosophy and
the pervasiveness of the hermeneutic circle and Aboriginal protests
against the mistreatment of Jews in pre-war Nazi Germany made to the
German consol general in Melbourne on 15 December 1938.
That aboriginal art conception of vast distance, their land and
cosmology demonstrates, if one considers the designation of the year
into seven portions:
ONE: 1, 2, 3
TWO: 0, 3, 6
THREE: 0, 9, 18
FOUR: 0, 27, 54 = Chinese Tetragrammation (Yang, Yin, Zhun) of Number
(Imperial Governance of male - dragon, female (consort) - phoenix: 206
BCE to 220 CE published 2 BCE); cf: [Deuteronomy 4:1-20]
FIVE: 0, 81, 369 = 9(9�+1)/2 - Organisation of the Myriad of things
SIX: 0, 243, 729 = Appraisals within vCube (9 x 9 x 9)
SEVEN: 0, 729, 2187 = 17 March (Saint Patrick's Day and ipso facto 25
March) + 2 x 'OTH CYCLE of 1092 (6 x 364 = 6D) days as Genesis and
substantiation of Christian identity.
A preservation of a rational natural and common law mind by nomadic
peoples--And that the usage of the latin term Terra Nullus cannot then
be used and understood as claimed in 1770 by Captain James Cook as
meaning that Terra Australis was "land belonging to no one" or
unoccupied land which was subsequent by Letters Patent of 1900 (since
revoked by new Letters Patent of 21 August 1984) as Terra Formus into
the Commonwealth of Australia."
singin4free
>
> I do not want a personal visit -= that would NOT prove a god to ALL - in
> fact - I do not care if I am there.
>
> I want the god to appear and prove itself to ALL people of the earth in
> a manner that would have all the so called "wrong' religions (noting
> that YOURS does not have to be correct either) will accept that god -
> and its message. FOr instance - I want to see all of ISLAM and Hindusim
> see the god - and accept it.
Very good. I think perhaps you may get your proof. You see, you have
just described the second coming.
bob young
ver...@gefinden.com wrote:
> > Dr. Chung do you sin?
>
> "No."
>
> > Please provide examples of how often
>
> "Zero."
>
> > and of what kind?
>
> "None."
>
> The word of the Lord in measure of the above:
>
> If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in
> us.
>
> If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our
> sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
>
> If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in
> us.
>
> My little children, I am writing this to you so that you may not sin;
> but if any one does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus
> Christ the righteous; and he is the expiation for our sins, and not for
> ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
Sin has always has been a tool of the clergy, used and adopted to bolster
membership. It is seized upon with zeal because there is a universal
distaste for it - even a thief becomes highly agitated if someone breaks
into his home and steals his loot.
Sin was around long before man could speak in simple tongue, let alone
write. Eons later sin was hijacked, applied, used, twisted and manipulated
by the clergy with more force and enthusiasm than any other piece of
religious dogma.
Until preachers and their hangers on defer from manipulating sin as a
propagating tool - they will never be free from committing sin themselves.
bob young
monkfish wrote:
Yup - a myth created by simple early people
>
>
> --
> monkfish
bob young
MU wrote:
Ooooh dear . . . . your knickers are in a twist again I see,
simply because you can't prove your silly juvenile myths !
Bob
Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist Brit.
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
(Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor)
Man creates his gods in his own image,
then spends the rest of his life
manipulating them to his heart's content
R E L I G I O N - it is all in the mind,
an escape from life's realities and hardships,
sixty percent ritual, forty percent fantasy
bob young
Michael Christ wrote:
> You have no proof that there isn't a God.
>
> Until you can provide the proof, then all you have to say is moot and
> fraudulent.
Eeeerrm which 'god' do you want us to prove does no exist? :
[All the others 'B through Z ' are on file. When you need 'em just ask]
Aeron War [goddess] Wales War
Aeval [goddess] Love, Magic. Ireland
Ahura Mazda
Agrona [goddesss] Destroyer of life
Achall [goddess]Earth and Nature; unhappiness. Ireland
Achtan [goddess] Hunting and wild animals. Ireland
Allah
Adsullata [goddess]
Aphrodite, Ares, Athena, Apollo, Artemis, Abalim[Judaic] Abba Amona[Judaic]
Abraxis[Judaic]
Adam Beliyya'al'[Judaic] Adam Kadmon[Judaic]
Adonai[Judaic] Adonaiel[Judaic]
Aibell [goddess] Beauty; Arts; Magic
Aille [goddess]Justice. Ireland
Aige [goddess] Demi-animals
Aimend [goddess] Sun and Day. Ireland
Aine [goddess] Love and Sexuality
Ailinn [goddess] Love. Ireland
Aidin [goddess] [Aideen] Love and sexuality. Ireland
Aibheaog [goddess] Fire.
Airmed [goddess] Health and healing; Immortality Ireland
Aide [goddess] Water. Ireland - Wife of the Irish god Enna
Artio [goddess] Hunting and Wild Animals Switzerland
Akatriel-Yah[Judaic] Alitha[Judaic]
Alukah(Arpad Yiddish: Estrie)[Judaic] Anafiel[Judaic]
Angels[Judaic] Archons[Judaic] Asherah(Asherah)[Judaic]
Asmodeus(Asmodaios)[Judaic [goddess] Goodness. Ireland
Abaangui Guarani
Aba-khatun [goddess] Russia
Abaris Greek
Abas Greek
Abassi Nigeria/Africa
Abderus Greek
Abeguwo [goddess] Oceania
Abeona [goddess] Roman
Abere [goddess] Oceania
Ab Kin Xoc Maya
Abnoba [goddess] Celtic
Abraxas Roman
Abuk [goddess] Dinka/Africa
Abundantia [goddess] Roman
Acamas Greek
Acantha [goddess] Greek
Acat Maya
Acaviser [goddess] Roman
Acca [goddess] Roman
Acca Larentia [goddess] Roman
Achall [goddess] Irish
Achelois [goddess] Greek
Achelous Greek
Achilles Greek
Achtan [goddess] Irish
Achtland [goddess] Celtic
Acis Greek
Aclla [goddess] Inca
Acna [goddess] Maya/Mexico
Actaeon Greek
Adad Babylonian
Adamanthea [goddess] Greek
Adamisil Wedo [goddess] Haiti
Adapa Babylonian
Adaro Oceania
Adeona [goddess] Roman
Aditi [goddess] Asian
Adityas Asian
Admeta [goddess] Roman
Admete [goddess] Greek
Admetus Greek
Adonis Greek
Adrammelech Babylonia
Adrastus Greek
Adsagsona [goddess] Celtic
Adu Ogyinae Ashanti/Africa
Aeacus Greek
Aebh [goddess] Celtic
Aed Celtic
A don [goddess] Greek
Aedos [goddess] Roman
Aega [goddess] Greek
Aegeria [goddess] Roman
Aegeus Greek
Aegina [goddess] Greek
Aegir Norse
Aegis Greek
Aegisthus Greek
Aegyptus Greek
Aello [goddess] Greek Amazon
Aeneas Greek
Aeneas Roman
Aeolus Greek
Aero [goddess] Greek
Aeron Celtic
Aerope [goddess] Greek
Aesculapius Asclepius Greek
Aesir Norse
°s S£dhe Celtic
Aestas [goddess] Roman
Aether Greek
Aethra [goddess] Greek
Aetna [goddess] Roman
Afekan [goddess] Oceania
Agaman Nibo [goddess] Haiti
Agamedes Greek
Agamemnon Greek
Agasaya [goddess] Semite
Agave [goddess] Greek
Agdos [goddess] Asia Minor
Ag Dahomey/Africa
Aglaia [goddess] Greek
Aglauros [goddess] Greek
Agni India
Agwe [goddess] Benin/Africa
Agwe [goddess] Haiti
Agweta [goddess] Haiti
Ahat [goddess] Egypt
Ahau Chamahez Maya
Ahau Kin [goddess] Maya
Ah Chuy Kak Maya
Ah Cun Can Maya
Ahemait [goddess] Egypt
Ah Kinchil Maya
Ahmakiq Maya
Ahnt Alis Pok' [goddess] Mexico
Ahnt Kai [goddess] Mexico
Ah Puch Maya
Ahriman Persia
Ahsonnutli Navajo
Ahti [goddess] Egypt
Ah Uaynih [goddess] Haiti
Ah Uaynih [goddess] Guatemala
Ahuic [goddess] Aztec/Mexico
Ahulane Maya
Ahura Mazda Persia
Ahurani [goddess] Persia
Ah Wink-ir Masa [goddess] Guatemala
Ai-ada Turkey . . . . . . . . .
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one
fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other
possible gods, you
will understand why I dismiss yours."
[Stephen Roberts]
Loking silly yet again Michael - you must be getting used to it by now !
>
bob young
singin4free wrote:
Oh dear,
if it wasn't so pathetically sad
it might be funny !
monkfish
Such a simple mind!
Is spirituality too sophisticated for you?
How about justice?
Can justice be perfect?
--
monkfish
Michael Christ
Otherwise, prove there is no God and you will have won me to live with you
in your purposelessness.
That's fair.
Michael Christ
"ThomM" <tomm...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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Michael Christ
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
All you have is a negative, a nothing, and you call that truth.
:-))))))))).
Until you prove there is no God you are merely a 'vanity puffing hot air
atheist' who claims he is an agnostic.
Michael Christ
Fred Thomas
"dolf" <dolf...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> the only theist proof the bible provides is a cosmological one made in
> relation to the sabbath.
>
> That has been provided to you many times before, so there is no integrity in
> your comment below.
>
> My argument will stand for at least the next 293 years as the solar/lunar
> cycles are in sync with the Gregorian calendar.
The twilight zone exists!
Thommadura
> You have no proof there is not a God ThomM, like your Daddy.
>
> Therefore all you have is...
>
Sorry - Michael - that is YOUR problem - I do not claim gods exist or do
things
YOu cannot prove that gods actually exist
That means you cannot prove anything you say about them
Thommadura
Sorry - but unless you can prove it exsits and is real - it is simply
too FAKE for us.
> How about justice?
> Can justice be perfect?
Change of subject noted
Justice has nothing to do with belief in your gods - and never has.
MU
> YOu
There's proof God exists right there, Thommy, He won't allow you the
money for a new keyboard.
Fred Thomas
"MU" <efacs...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Kind of subjective, how do you know that it is god that will not allow a new
keyboard? Any evidence of your claim?
Fred Thomas
> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:30:44 -0800 (PST), singin4free wrote:
>
>> On Nov 7, 7:15 am, Thommadura <tommad...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>> You have no proof that there isn't a God!
>>>
>>>> ThomM wrote:
>>>>> That does not establish that there is one.
>>>
>>>> Monotonous circular intellectually challenged reasoning, and subsequent
>>>> ad nauseum and repetitious argument, ThomM
>>>
>>> Since you use the same OLD argument - you simply describe yourself as well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Whatsamatter, don't you like equality? You can't prove there isn't a
>>>> God so you are a fraud.
>>>
>>> I do not need to PROVE there is NO god
>>>
>>> As an agnostic - we accept only was is PROVEN about gods - and NOTHING
>>> is - so MY position is based on TRUTH
>>>
>>> Something you cannot truthfully say about yours - so when you claim you
>>> know anything about a god - you are the FRAUD
>>
>> What would you accept as proof?
>
>
> A personal visit for Thommy Only with the heavens flashing, dozens of
> neato tricks like spinning Saturn backwards and God groveling and
> asking, "Is that good enough for you, gee, I sure want to get your
> acceptance, it is waaaaaaay so important to humanity and, of course, to
> my Infinite Being.
>
> LOL
Christians call the bible has this god they worship doing all kinds of
"wonderful" things to show how powerful this god is. What is god now tired and
can not make a appearance now? Maybe god is in drug rehab and can not make a
appearance.
ThomM
It is only proof that you snipped a sentence I posted - and then LIED
about it.
You have done that one before - however my complete sentence remains
available in the archive of the group as proof - so keep proving
yourself to be worthless - I won't stop you!
Thommadura
That god that did all those wonderful things was supposed to be TOTALLY
HUMAN when he made the sacrifice to come to earth - otherwise - there is
no sacrifice in a god faking a death - when an immortal god cannot die
(Another thing an almighty god cannot do).
So - we have a dilemma
WHat person who is totally human can raise a partially rotten corpse
from the grave?
IF it happened - the sacrifice didn't - it was a fake.
Thankfully the bible is FULL of this type of nonsense to proven its lack
of credibility.
Thommadura
SInce all he did was snip my sentence - it is just another NOBLE act of
a theist - Lying for his beliefs.
monkfish
You misunderstood.
Love and justice cannot be understood properly
without referring to God.
Can love be perfect?
--
monkfish
Thommadura
Again - I have not misunderstood anything that you have proven
> Love and justice cannot be understood properly
> without referring to God.
Based on the bible - your god ordered the deaths of millions of people
=including innocent women and children (Genocide) - while your ultimate
evil killed only a handful of people - at the request of your god too.
you are suggesting that by knowing your claims - we KNOW what love and
justice is - the opposite of what you see in the bible - I can agree
with that one.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/518c33efe51560d7?
<><
"The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the
LORD." (Proverbs 16:33)
Amen.
A Spirit-guided exegesis of Proverbs 16:33 ...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/085dcffcafb7e4e2?
Nothing happens by chance because everything happens only as GOD
allows it (Ecclesiastes 9:11):
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/21527d1832960109?
Sign that GOD can easily unleash an H5N1 Pandemic, for which there is
no vaccine, at any time:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a4581567229974c0?
What we are teaching to prepare folks in our local communities for the
probable eventuality of a Pan-Flu virus deadlier than the current H1N1
Pandemic virus (i.e. one for which there is no vaccine):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfmkax1wbRU
How to not be fearful:
Trust the truth, Who is Jesus !!!
May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2009th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as our Messiah,
the Son of Man ...
... by being hungrier:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/f891e617d10bd689?
Hunger is wonderful ! ! !
It's how we know the answer to the question "What does Jesus
want?" (WDJW):
Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/52a3db8576495806?
Hunger is the physical "hearts burning within us" feeling that unlocks
the 4 mysteries of the "Road to Emmaus" adventure described in Luke
24:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/386f56c2f6d0b154?
Moreover, being hungrier is the key to being Jesus' disciples:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/bd20d7c4fe878897?
Being physically hungrier is how we will physically recognize Jesus
when He physically returns for us to meet Him physically in the air:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/ffa6609710ea9587?
"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...
... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)
Amen.
Here is a Spirit-guided exegesis of Luke 6:21 given in hopes of
promoting much greater understanding:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/cc2aa8f8a4d41360?
Jesus is LORD, forever !!!
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier for mind, body, and soul:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Be Hungry"
http://NetCabal.com
"Don't be left behind as were Cleopas and Simon ...
... -----------------> be hungry ! ! !"
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?
Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?
monkfish
You misunderstood.
God does not think in the way you think.
Would you like to learn how to listen to God?
--
monkfish
Thommadura
Not at all. IT is clear the god of the bible is a depraved despot - that
YOU would worship such a thing is incredibly wrong.
> God does not think in the way you think.
Since you have not established a god exists
YOu have no way of truthfully knowing that one
> Would you like to learn how to listen to God?
Since the christian god CANNOT actually exist - based on its definition
- there is NO way to do that one.
monkfish
You misunderstood.
God is prior to existence.
Until you understand what that means,
you are talking gibberish.
--
monkfish
Fred Thomas
"monkfish" <monk...@everywhere.org> wrote in message
news:hda3rn$idh$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
refuted? If your God exists, are we being unreasonable to suppose that there
would be at least one irrefutable proof of His existence?
Can it be possible that believers, who have the advantage of an indwelling Holy
Spirit with an "infinite mind," can be stumped by "finite minds" of unbelievers
working within the confining limitations of reason?
> --
> monkfish
monkfish
You misunderstood.
You really should learn more
about the ontological priority of God.
Cf. page 178 of
http://books.google.com/books?id=qy1HAAAAIAAJ&pg=PR3#v=onepage&q=&f=false
--
monkfish
Fred Thomas
A benevolent god all-knowing being only has one option in any situation, and
that is the option that causes most good. Therefore a perfectly good all-knowing
God has no free will.
An all-knowing god instantly knows all of its future actions and therefore has
no free will to change them. A god with no free will is not moral.
If an all-powerful and all-knowing God exists then this (by a long chain of
cause and effect) denies any free will of any living being.
If God has free will, but never chooses evil, it is immoral because it could
have created life in the same way: With free will, but also never choosing evil.
Therefore God must be immoral, not all-powerful or not all-knowing.
Because evil exists, the existence of heaven negates the existence of god
"Is there a God? Is there a point to life before heaven? If God wants what is
best for everyone it could immediately place everyone in heaven. If we want what
is best for our children, we could kill them, and then God would send them to
heaven because they were innocent. That we do not do this means that there is no
God, no heaven, or that there is some purpose to life and evil. However, there
is no such purpose. Babies who die (for example, in natural disasters) go to
heaven, therefore there is no essential point of life, nor any essential reason
that we have to endure suffering and go through the tests of life before we can
go to heaven. This shows no moral God exists."
"If God is all-powerful and all-good, it would have created a universe with no
suffering and no evil. But, evil and suffering exist. Therefore God does not
exist, is not all-powerful or is not benevolent. Attempts to justify the
existence of evil are called theodicies. There are no fully working theodicies,
even popular ones such as the free will theodicy were rejected thousands of
years ago for reasons that still stand today. It seems that if there is a god,
it is not the all-good moral being that classical religions would have us
believe"
> monkfish
Thommadura
Sorry - I understood quite well.
> God is prior to existence.
Sorry - but that is false - there were no gods until humans invented them.
> Until you understand what that means,
> you are talking gibberish.
Agreed - gods are complete gibberish - completely agree on that one
monkfish
You misunderstood.
God is prior to good and evil.
Would you like to learn more
about the real God?
--
monkfish
monkfish
Whatever you say about God is gibberish
until you learn to listen to God.
--
monkfish
Fred Thomas
Your delusion interferers with reality.
> --
> monkfish
Thommadura
Whatever YOU say about a god is gibberish until you prove on exists
And since the god as defined by christianity CANNOT exist - you are
simply making it all up.
monkfish
Still not familiar
with the ontological priority of God?
Does existence exist?
--
monkfish
GreatSageItchy
Andrew B. Chung is INSANE. He is a Supreme Egoist. He has NO
spirituality , nothing but EGO.
All EGO all the time. ZERO spirituality. And he never will.
Opposites Attract...
It is quite common for such people to be attracted to that which is
most opposite from them. Jesus and spirituality.
But camels will fly through the eye of a needle and cows will jump over
the moon before even a glint of the Holy Spirit enters the body of a
total EGOIST like Chung. You may notice I'm paraphrasing Jesus when he
said camels would pass through the eye of a needle before a businessman
would enter the kingdom of Heaven. What does this mean? A businessman
is all about GAINING. More money, more power, more awards, more
validation for his ideas or opinions, etc. The Kingdom of heaven can
only be reached by taking the opposite direction. By giving up your
self, your ego. Chung is a religious businessman. here placing his
daily free ads, hoping to lure a few suckers into his net, and to be
the righeous asshole that he is. Such people are DANGEROUS.
Stay far away. ��WARNING����WARNING��WARNING��WARNING��
DO NOT FEED SICK ASSHOLE TROLLS.
There is NOTHING anyone can do for Chung. His condition is far beyond
any help. A diamond hard egoist, like Chung, is "always right", and
everyone else is "always wrong" in the delusional world they live in.
Soon enough, such defective people are cleaned from this world, usually
by violence or horible disease. Such people are DANGEROUS.. Stay far
away. ��WARNING����WARNING��WARNING��WARNING��
Everyone familiar with Andrew B. Chung knows he is a sick asshole. Even
his parents. He knows he is a sick asshole (street term for EGOIST).
There is NOTHING "spiritual" or "religious" about him. He has
absolutely NO HOPE of real spirituality.
In fact, he is the opposite of spirituality, ALL EGO, and NOTHING BUT
EGO. Chung has no real friends, and never will. No one wants to be
around a TOTAL ASSHOLE. His only hope is to try to learn how real
humans behave by observation, then pretend to be like them.
He will always be a total asshole, but he will learn to hide it and
fake being like a real human. He will not fool a real human for long,
but will have something that resembles a human life. There is no
other way for him. His condition (total arrogance) is permanent.
Camels will fly through the eye of a needle before he even reaches
spiritual kindergarden. his life will go badly, and end ugly.
A total egoist will NEVER admit to any imperfection, but Chung knows
that every word of the above is true.
-GSI
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a2f7ee7e467a65fc?
There is pure joy in being used by GOD to change hearts:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/8824c8a5b7c7518c?
May GOD give you, GSI, a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel 11:19-20
and 36:26) so that you would be born again of water and Spirit (John
3:3 and 3:5) so that you would come to trust the truth, Who is Jesus:
Amen.
Love in the truth,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Heart Doctor
and Author of "Trust the Truth:"
http://www.amazon.com/-/e/B002G22ZWG
Michael Christ
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
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> Bottom line concerning you:
Thank you Andrew for deciding what the bottom line is on a person's life.
We need more of your hunger to judge others.
Thanks again.
Michael Christ
Randy ®
Michael Christ <Jesus...@Father.com> wrote:
What are you talking about? He's about the closest thing to you
I've seen in here.
--
Have you heard Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him
from the dead? Did you know God saves you from hell and
gives you eternal life through faith in this finished work alone,
not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess.
1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God alone gets the
glory (Eph. 2:8-9).
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Michael Christ
"Randy �" <pulpi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:gpednUw7A-ujBpTW...@giganews.com...
> On Sun, 11/22/09, at 2:04:44PM,
> Michael Christ <Jesus...@Father.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote in message
>> news:fc40a3d3-f231-43b2...@j14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>>> Bottom line concerning you:
>>
>> Thank you Andrew for deciding what the bottom line is on a person's life.
>>
>> We need more of your hunger to judge others.
>>
>> Thanks again.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Christ
>
>
> What are you talking about? He's about the closest thing to you I've seen
> in here.
But then you are obviously blind.
:-).
The Lord is actually helping him in the Spirit, like with you.
Read it again and think about it without the emphasis on condemnation.
Michael Christ
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Randy pulpitfire wrote:
> > Mike McClean wrote:
> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
> >>> Bottom line concerning you:
> >>>
> >>> <prayer for a perishing soul snipped>
> >>
> >> Thank you Andrew for deciding what the bottom line is on a person's life.
Laus Deo for your thanks and His providing the bottom line:
> >> We need more of your hunger to judge others.
Hunger is from GOD (Dt8:3) and the lie that "to pray is to judge" is
from satan.
> >> Thanks again.
Laus Deo again for your thanks.
> > What are you talking about? He's about the closest thing to you I've seen
> > in here.
We are both born-again while sadly Randy is not as evident by the Holy
Spirit not helping Randy publicly say "Jesus is LORD" using his mouth.
> But then you are obviously blind.
>
> :-).
Delighting in the shortcomings of others is not a fruit of the Holy
Spirit.
> The Lord is actually helping him in the Spirit, like with you.
The LORD is actually not helping Randy in the Holy Spirit as evident
by Randy not being able to say "Jesus is LORD" publicly using his
mouth.
> Read it again and think about it without the emphasis on condemnation.
It would be wiser for you to be mindful of WDJW and do what He wants.
Mike McClean wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote in part:
>
> > Redirecting all praise and glory to GOD and not to this disciple of
> > Jesus.
>
> Obviously we need to recognise that and give you praise Andrew.
Lie.
"What your heart wants is not what your heart needs." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
It remains this disciple's personal choice to continue to serve as one
of the LORD's lamps:
"In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see
your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven." -- LORD Jesus
Christ (Mt 5:16)
Amen.
Laus Deo for His writing WDJW on this disciple's heart:
Bottom line concerning you:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/b4c60eecdce69bbd?
May GOD renew and strengthen your brain about knowing what is right
(Jeremiah 9:24), Mike, so that you would be able to rein in your
deceitful heart (Jeremiah 17:9) which is causing you to continue
sinning.