作者：燕南人 标题：美国驻沈阳总领事馆证实；《苏家屯集中营》纯属谎言！
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标题：美国驻沈阳总领事馆证实；《苏家屯集中营》纯属谎言！
有一年春天，风和日丽，老高老高的太阳把人们晒的懒洋洋的，王胡和阿Ｑ俩人没事，靠着墙跟抓虱子。王胡是抓了一个又一个，抓一个又一个，而且一个比一个大，都跟小王八似的，扔到嘴里一咬，喀崩！喀甭！的山响！阿Ｑ翻了半天也没逮着几个，好不容易见到一个格大的，扔到嘴里，楞没见响！气得阿Ｑ将衣服摔在地上，吐了一口吐沫，说；“你这毛虫”！“癞皮狗，你骂谁”？！“谁认便骂谁”！“你骨头痒了吧”！说着哥俩就动起手来！
(海纳百川 www.hjclub.com)
这事叫我看，一点不怨阿Ｑ。大伙在一块干活，多少也要有个相互帮衬，多少也要有个前后关照。木秀于林，风必吹之。出头的橼子先烂。肥猪早挨刀。随大流、铁饭碗、红眼症、仇富病。东西差距、城乡差别、男女不分、贫富不均。这些词搅合来搅合去都是一个意思；什么年头有本事的都是个别人，弱势群体是大多数。怎么办呢？悠着点，让穷哥们也能混碗粥喝，不然就会兄弟倪墙，朋友绝交，父子反目，夫妻成仇！
(海纳百川 www.hjclub.com)
咱就说海外吧，站在反共这块地头上的人不少，大家的目的一个样，都想打点粮食。在这节骨眼上，养群里蹦出个骆驼，李洪志在中间一站说；“你们都歇着吧，这块地我包圆了”！我操，这就不是王胡和阿Ｑ的矛盾了，而是恶霸和饿汉的矛盾，性质就变了！
(海纳百川 www.hjclub.com)
有几个一看李大师这个阵势，知道惹不起，躲得起！或隐与山林，或醉于风月。也有几个一看李大师这个阵势，云从龙，虎从风，干脆，共襄盛举，咸与维新吧！剩下几个穷小子，傻眼了，叫天天不应，叫地地不灵！
(海纳百川 www.hjclub.com)
您就拿我来说，这二年，不知写了多少反共文章，看来看去，还是扯了吧，丢人现眼！咱这玩艺和大记元、明慧网、新唐人的大作一比，老掉牙了！说什么也没有人家的花花，编什么也没有人家的新鲜，写什么也没有人家的丰富，骂什么也没有人家的灿烂！卖给谁去？当手纸还得自己用。说心里话，多亏我们还都是些识文断字的人，忍了这么多年，换成阿Ｑ早他妈妈的动手了“你这个小毛虫”！不过，今天也不算晚！
(海纳百川 www.hjclub.com)
俗话说；外行看热闹，内行看门道。您别瞧法轮功吹吹打打，花里胡烧的，在我们民运人眼里，狗屁不是！什么发正念、讲真相，三退、九评共产党。什么孟伟哉，高志晟，在家绝食，秘密退党。马三家子的疯人院，苏家屯里的集中营。法轮功的器管最好用，大记元的报纸靠奉送，其实一点不顶用！这种戏法要是灵的话，还有什么唐宋元明清，还谈什么蒋委员长毛泽东，天下都是跳大神的了！
(海纳百川 www.hjclub.com)
要说法轮功这一套是神话，那是高抬他们了，童话！卡通！冲啊！杀呀！我们胜利啦！我们都死啦！西方各国的法律都有明文规定；在幼儿院以外不允许举办这类活动，什么“法轮大法”，什么“精神胜利法”，神经病！
(海纳百川 www.hjclub.com)
您瞧瞧，从３月９号《苏家屯集中营》的谎言抛出以后，半个多月了，没有一个西方政府理睬！没有一家西方报纸转载！气得大记元直骂街；“你们为什么对苏家屯这么冷漠”！有热情的，哪？台湾！民进党３、１８反侵略，反吞并的大游行，最大的广告就是苏家屯的集中营！没这个节目人们就不来了！台联党团总召集人——黄适卓多次提醒台湾民众；千万不要到大陆去旅行，一旦按法轮功抓起来，您的肾就没了！
(海纳百川 www.hjclub.com)
诸位一定知道“皮影戏”，在我们唐山，燕南一带特别流行，剧种虽小还分南、北两路。南路皮影声韵圆润，北路皮影唱腔高仰，一张嘴能吓你两跟头，讲究以气势压人！其不足之处就是道具太少，幕布太小，那点猫腻三岁小孩都知道。《苏家屯集中营》就是一场以谎言换金钱，以金钱换谎言的皮影戏！，李洪志就是台前驴皮影！陈水扁就是幕后拉线人！
(海纳百川 www.hjclub.com)
这两天大记元也知道漏馅了，接二连三的发表文章，声嘶力竭的叫喊；要求美国政府，要求美国总统出面调查苏家屯的集中营！想拉大旗以驴皮变虎皮。这正好给我们提了个醒！美国在沈阳市设有领事馆！我拿起电话来一拨就通；这是美国驻沈阳领事馆吗，好。麻烦您，询问一件事，听说中共在苏家屯血栓医院建立了一所集中营，关押着六千名法轮功，全部杀害，还盗取他们的身体器管，出口到了泰国，不知是否真有其事？您猜猜美国领事馆怎么说的？就一字；“ＮＯ”！
(海纳百川 www.hjclub.com)
任何一个国家的驻外领馆，都有责任，有义务向本国居民，公民提供驻地的政治、经济、文化和风土人情。所以我特别建议那些在美国居住对法轮功谣言还持有怀疑的人，应当立即拨打美国驻沈阳领事馆的电话，号码是；８６２４２３２２１１９８，他们将会给您一个准确而满意的答复。
(海纳百川 www.hjclub.com)
李洪志在海外已经表演七、八年了，除了谎言还是谎言，时至今日，还要把中国的人权进步，中国的政治变革寄托在这辆谎言的破车之上，其结局将和这位神棍一样；马上就要被历史所淘汰！
(海纳百川 www.hjclub.com)
godzilla
check your email. I sent you something if you need to post in Chinese.
Godzilla
<ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143552280.9...@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
作者：燕南人
标题：美国驻沈阳总'
046;事馆证实；《苏家屯
集中营》纯属谎言！
有一年春天，风和日
029;，老高老高的太阳把
人们晒的懒洋洋的，
579;胡和阿Ｑ俩人没事，
靠着墙跟抓虱子。王 
993;是抓了一个又一个，
抓一个又一个，而且
968;个比一个大，都跟小
王八似的，扔到嘴里
968;咬，喀崩！喀甭！的
山响！阿Ｑ翻了半天
063;没逮着几个，好不容
易见到一个格大的，
172;到嘴里，楞没见响！
气得阿Ｑ将衣服摔在
320;上，吐了一口吐沫，
说；你这毛虫！癞皮
399;，你骂谁？！谁认便
骂谁！你骨头痒了吧A
诸位一定知道皮影戏A
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charl...@my-deja.com
(FLG commentary not translate for brevety)
"The last couple days even Epoch Time knew it's [lies] been blown,
after articles upon articles of tireless shriking, demanding US
governmet and the President to come forward to investigate Sujiatun
concentration camp! Trying to pull out the big flag and wearing donkey
skin prtending it's a tiger. This gave us a thought, isn't there a US
consulate in Shenyang! I called and asked: Is this the US consulate in
Shenyang? Great, sorry to trouble you, I'd like to ask about the report
that Chinese communists setting up a concentration camp in Shenyang's
storke clinic, detaining 6000 Falun Gong practioners, they are being
murdered, and their organs are harvested and exported to Thailand - is
this for real? Guess what the US consulate said? Just one word: NO!
Foreign consulates of every nation have the responsiblity to provide
services to its citizens, including economic, cultural, and local news
and events. I recommend those who livin in America that have questions
about Falun Gong's claim call their local embassy in Shenyang. Their
phone number is (86-24) 2322-1198. They will give you a satisfactory
answer."
(Here's US Shenyang embassy's website:
http://shenyang.usconsulate.gov/service2.html)
rst0...@yahoo.com
>phone number is (86-24) 2322-1198. They will give you a satisfactory
>answer."
Thanks, Charles. That is a great idea. I'll keep that # for future
reference.
charl...@my-deja.com
I don't know where these Chinese blog references are comming from, but
keep them comming! It's a real hoot to see Chinese netters here to give
those China bashers a dose of reality.
This really reminds me of the propaganda that Senior Bush reigme put on
during the first gulf war - some kuwaiti princess pretended to be a
lowly nurse at some hospital, and told the US Congress this horrible
tale of Iraqi soilders tossing premature babies out of incubators:
http://www.google.com/search?q=Kuwait+Iraq+baby+incubator+propaganda
lechergod
evidence can be easily destroyed.
such calling for evidence is just meaningless.
believe it or not !
depends on the creditability.
PRC's announcement had long been bankrupted
by her oontrol over media so tight !!!
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equi...@gmail.com
have to say that? First, this camp is so secret that nobody has known
about its existence since its establishment in 2001, so if you asked
anyone they would not be able to tell you. Second, what evidence do
they have to say that this camp doesn't exist? So much information has
been exposed about this concentration camp; you cannot rely on a
secondary source to give you accurate information. Even school students
would know this.
The Epoch Times is the only newspaper that completely exposes the
Chinese Communist Party's crimes and violation of human rights. No
other media has been able to extensively do this. In my view, they are
very brave to stand for humanity and reject such an evil regime.
ltlee1
lechergod wrote:
> both in Iraq and/or mainland,
> evidence can be easily destroyed.
> such calling for evidence is just meaningless.
> believe it or not !
> depends on the creditability.
> PRC's announcement had long been bankrupted
> by her oontrol over media so tight !!!
Why do you say "...calling for evidence is just meaningless?"
Do you mean the accusers must be right if the accused is China?
lechergod
yes! because PRC contols the media so tight,
this signifies PRC is completel increditable !!!!
J.Venning
> yes! because PRC contols the media so tight,
> this signifies PRC is completel increditable !!!!
>
J.
lechergod
moron, idiot !!!!
only communist dog as you has master !!!!
it is no use to set on such diry libel !!!
J.Venning wrote:
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J.Venning
> go to count how many PRC leaders are not CCP ,
> moron, idiot !!!!
> only communist dog as you has master !!!!
> it is no use to set on such diry libel !!!
>
J.
J.Venning
> So if they say no, then it just doesn't exist? On what grounds do they
> have to say that? First, this camp is so secret that nobody has known
> about its existence since its establishment in 2001, so if you asked
> anyone they would not be able to tell you.
>
> Second, what evidence do
> they have to say that this camp doesn't exist? So much information has
> been exposed about this concentration camp; you cannot rely on a
> secondary source to give you accurate information. Even school students
> would know this.
>
Now you say "So much information has been exposed about this concentration camp; you cannot rely on a secondary source to give you accurate information. Even school students would know this", right after you have written "this camp is so secret that nobody has known about its existence since its establishment in 2001, so if you asked anyone they would not be able to tell you". You are nothing but a load of bullshit.
> The Epoch Times is the only newspaper that completely exposes the
> Chinese Communist Party's crimes and violation of human rights. No
> other media has been able to extensively do this. In my view, they are
> very brave to stand for humanity and reject such an evil regime.
>
The Epoch Times is a propaganda publication sponsored by the anti China movement based in Taiwan. It contains nothing - repeat, nothing - worth the attention of anyone other than members of the Falung Gong who wish to smear the Chinese people and the Chinese government.
J.
demor...@aol.com
demor...@aol.com
It is amazing what some people take as definitive evidence. How can a
telephone operator at a US consulate possibly know if the Sujiatun
concentration camp exists? Did the consulate send a forensic team to
the site and conduct interviews with the hospital personnel? Only on
March 28, 2006 did CCP finally deny the existence of the camp. This is
over two weeks after the claims originated.
rst0...@yahoo.com
I bet you're talking about Guantanamo Bay because the Epoch Times
mirrored the falun gong's view of China. You can write to inflame
China long enough and people start to believe it. And in G. Bush case,
if he said it enough times, people believe Guantanamo Bay is a resort
where non-combatants go for recreation and enjoyment.
ltlee1
demor...@aol.com wrote:
> charl...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > http://www.hjclub.com/Showtopic.asp?ID=2579233
> >
> > (FLG commentary not translate for brevety)
> >
> > "The last couple days even Epoch Time knew it's [lies] been blown,
> > after articles upon articles of tireless shriking, demanding US
> > governmet and the President to come forward to investigate Sujiatun
> > concentration camp! Trying to pull out the big flag and wearing donkey
> > skin prtending it's a tiger. This gave us a thought, isn't there a US
> > consulate in Shenyang! I called and asked: Is this the US consulate in
> > Shenyang? Great, sorry to trouble you, I'd like to ask about the report
> > that Chinese communists setting up a concentration camp in Shenyang's
> > storke clinic, detaining 6000 Falun Gong practioners, they are being
> > murdered, and their organs are harvested and exported to Thailand - is
> > this for real? Guess what the US consulate said? Just one word: NO!
> >
> > Foreign consulates of every nation have the responsiblity to provide
> > services to its citizens, including economic, cultural, and local news
> > and events. I recommend those who livin in America that have questions
> > about Falun Gong's claim call their local embassy in Shenyang. Their
> > phone number is (86-24) 2322-1198. They will give you a satisfactory
> > answer."
> >
> > (Here's US Shenyang embassy's website:
> > http://shenyang.usconsulate.gov/service2.html)
>
> It is amazing what some people take as definitive evidence.
I don't know anyone is taking the above as definitive evidence.
However, the original writer presented a case which can be proven
wrong.
In contrast, Epoch time and associates did not present any evidence.
Zero.
Just words.
J.Venning
> In contrast, Epoch time and associates did not present any evidence.
> Zero.
> Just words.
>
J.
lechergod
all evidence can be destroyed easily,
what evidence this moron want for reporting !!!!
ltlee1 wrote:
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lechergod
it is PRC's controlling media so tight to give others the chance.
as PRC does not give media the chance to clarify it.
rst0...@yahoo.com wrote:
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lechergod
idiot !!!!
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lechergod
no matter how secret, there must be someone knows,
but you communist dog are taken as moron not ot know that !!!
J.Venning wrote:
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lechergod
how this moron makes such assertion.
J.Venning wrote:
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J.Venning
> PRC leaders !!!
> idiot !!!!
>
Go to school and improve your English.
J.
J.Venning
> never seen any connection between epoch times with Taiwan !!
> how this moron makes such assertion.
>
J.
bmo...@nyx.net
Charles sure seems to be. But LT always plays fast and loose with the
facts.
charl...@my-deja.com
You obviousely didn't read the consulate page I provided. Otherwise you
would've known to ask for US Citizen's Services Dept. Did you call? I
called last night and talked to an American officer there, her name is
June and she's never heard of this.
Today I also contacted my Congressman's office, and got hold of an
email address for Congressional Committee on International Affairs.
When I hear back I'll post the response.
> at a US consulate possibly know if the Sujiatun
> concentration camp exists? Did the consulate send a forensic team to
> the site and conduct interviews with the hospital personnel? Only on
> March 28, 2006 did CCP finally deny the existence of the camp. This is
> over two weeks after the claims originated.
I also called the Sujiatun District People's Congress office (district
PC deputies are elected official), as well as the hospital involved.
Their position is these lies are coming from overseas and they don't
have the resource do anything about it. Basically they've resigned not
to dignifying the accusation.
Do you know what the stroke clinc does? They have a formula based on
some snake venen that disolves blood clogs and they also use non
invasive methods like electromagnetic and kenetic pulses in their
tretment. Western treatment for pulmanary clog is very invasive,
involving placing metal screens in major arteries near the brain and
lung.
You might want to call them, perhaps you'll learn something about
China, Mr. knowledgable.
lechergod
J.Venning wrote:
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J.Venning
>>>never seen any connection between epoch times with Taiwan !!
>>>how this moron makes such assertion.
>> Ah so! You are a blind Lecherdog, huh?
>
J.
lechergod
J.Venning wrote:
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J.Venning
> the newspaper never report anything concerning taiwan with epotch Times.
>
J.
demor...@aol.com
So the definitive "NO!" has become "I never heard of this." I thought
so.
> Today I also contacted my Congressman's office, and got hold of an
> email address for Congressional Committee on International Affairs.
> When I hear back I'll post the response.
>
> > at a US consulate possibly know if the Sujiatun
> > concentration camp exists? Did the consulate send a forensic team to
> > the site and conduct interviews with the hospital personnel? Only on
> > March 28, 2006 did CCP finally deny the existence of the camp. This is
> > over two weeks after the claims originated.
>
> I also called the Sujiatun District People's Congress office (district
> PC deputies are elected official), as well as the hospital involved.
> Their position is these lies are coming from overseas and they don't
> have the resource do anything about it. Basically they've resigned not
> to dignifying the accusation.
>
> Do you know what the stroke clinc does? They have a formula based on
> some snake venen that disolves blood clogs and they also use non
> invasive methods like electromagnetic and kenetic pulses in their
> tretment. Western treatment for pulmanary clog is very invasive,
> involving placing metal screens in major arteries near the brain and
> lung.
UN should send over a No-Lie MRI machine to interview the hospital
director and staff. Then we might have some progress.
lechergod
it is your illusion to think out such magic capacity !!!
J.Venning wrote:
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J.Venning
>i can pick the fault from words before me,
> it is your illusion to think out such magic capacity !!!
>
Sexual abuse you use with ferocity.
So go to school and seek a better person to be.
J.
charl...@my-deja.com
"never heard of this" is certainly proof it exists. But then why is
that a 100 year old international Hong Kong news agency go to Sujiatun
and Lanzhou University to investigate Epoch Times' allegations, and
they find a pile of hooey?
* Lanzhou University student registry doesn't have students named in
Epoch Time's article, no one has been arrested as alleged:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/91ee0e42566d1f0c
* Reporters investigate concentration camp at Sujiatun stroke clinic
find no evidence:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/e2349b8ca53de2ec
Here's bio of TaKungPao.com: web division of 100 year old Hong Kong
newspaper TaKungPao that sells 45% of it's papers in US and Canada:
http://www.takungpao.com/inc/ziliao/introduce.asp
>
> > Today I also contacted my Congressman's office, and got hold of an
> > email address for Congressional Committee on International Affairs.
> > When I hear back I'll post the response.
> >
> > > at a US consulate possibly know if the Sujiatun
> > > concentration camp exists? Did the consulate send a forensic team to
> > > the site and conduct interviews with the hospital personnel? Only on
> > > March 28, 2006 did CCP finally deny the existence of the camp. This is
> > > over two weeks after the claims originated.
> >
> > I also called the Sujiatun District People's Congress office (district
> > PC deputies are elected official), as well as the hospital involved.
> > Their position is these lies are coming from overseas and they don't
> > have the resource do anything about it. Basically they've resigned not
> > to dignifying the accusation.
> >
> > Do you know what the stroke clinc does? They have a formula based on
> > some snake venen that disolves blood clogs and they also use non
> > invasive methods like electromagnetic and kenetic pulses in their
> > tretment. Western treatment for pulmanary clog is very invasive,
> > involving placing metal screens in major arteries near the brain and
> > lung.
>
> UN should send over a No-Lie MRI machine to interview the hospital
> director and staff. Then we might have some progress.
And the first stop of this machine should make is the Whitehouse.
demor...@aol.com
charl...@my-deja.com wrote:
> demor...@aol.com wrote:
> > UN should send over a No-Lie MRI machine to interview the hospital
> > director and staff. Then we might have some progress.
>
> And the first stop of this machine should make is the Whitehouse.
UN torture investigator probing Falun Gong abuse claims
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2006/03/un-torture-investigator-probing-falun.php
Manfred Nowak, the UN Special Rapporteur on Torture, told reporters
Thursday that he is currently investigating allegations raised by the
Falun Gong spiritual group, banned by the Chinese government, that
thousands of its followers were being held in a Chinese "concentration
camp" to be killed for organ-harvesting purposes. The Falun Gong
allegations are based on information provided by a former Chinese
journalist, who says that these government camps, located in the
Sujiatun district of the northern city of Shenyang, employed many
doctors and housed a crematorium. AP has more.
China has denied earlier abuse and torture charges made by Nowak and
asked the U.N. envoy to think again.
charl...@my-deja.com
demor...@aol.com wrote:
> charl...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > demor...@aol.com wrote:
> > > UN should send over a No-Lie MRI machine to interview the hospital
> > > director and staff. Then we might have some progress.
> >
> > And the first stop of this machine should make is the Whitehouse.
>
> UN torture investigator probing Falun Gong abuse claims
Nice try, it's obvious you are changing the subject to avoid talking
about Epoch Times' Sujiatun concentration camp accusation.
Here again are the findings by Hong Kong's TaKungPao. Why is that a 100
year old international Hong Kong news agency go to Sujiatun and Lanzhou
University to investigate Epoch Times' allegations, end up finding a
pile of hooey?
Do you have an answer?
* Lanzhou University student registry doesn't have students named in
Epoch Time's article, no one has been arrested as alleged:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/91ee0e42566d1f0c
* Reporters investigate concentration camp at Sujiatun stroke clinic
find no evidence:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/e2349b8ca53de2ec
Here's bio of TaKungPao.com: web division of 100 year old Hong Kong
newspaper TaKungPao that sells 45% of it's papers in US and Canada:
http://www.takungpao.com/inc/ziliao/introduce.asp
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lechergod
no school can be better than sexually insult communist dog's mother and
wife !!!!
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J.Venning
"lechergod" <lech...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:e0ip2g$vv6$2...@adenine.netfront.net...
>>>i can pick the fault from words before me,
>>>it is your illusion to think out such magic capacity !!!
>>>
>> Sexual abuse you use with ferocity.
>> So go to school and seek a better person to be.
>>
> no school can be better than sexually insult communist dog's mother and
> wife !!!!
>
You have broken the rhyme, hence go to school.
J.
demor...@aol.com
charl...@my-deja.com wrote:
> demor...@aol.com wrote:
> > charl...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > demor...@aol.com wrote:
> > > > UN should send over a No-Lie MRI machine to interview the hospital
> > > > director and staff. Then we might have some progress.
> > >
> > > And the first stop of this machine should make is the Whitehouse.
> >
> > UN torture investigator probing Falun Gong abuse claims
>
> Nice try, it's obvious you are changing the subject to avoid talking
> about Epoch Times' Sujiatun concentration camp accusation.
>
> Here again are the findings by Hong Kong's TaKungPao. Why is that a 100
> year old international Hong Kong news agency go to Sujiatun and Lanzhou
> University to investigate Epoch Times' allegations, end up finding a
> pile of hooey?
>
> Do you have an answer?
Let history hereby record that Charles Liu tried to cover up the
existence of concentration camps for organ transplantation in China in
the year 2006.
jkylk
up its crimes and is good at deceiving people and its OWn country,
therefore the sujiatun was not know by so many people.
3/4 of the 6000 people have already been murdered and have been put in
the incinerators, to leave no evidence.
is charles liu the guy posting here?
charl...@my-deja.com
demor...@aol.com wrote:
> charl...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > demor...@aol.com wrote:
> > > charl...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > > demor...@aol.com wrote:
> > > > > UN should send over a No-Lie MRI machine to interview the hospital
> > > > > director and staff. Then we might have some progress.
> > > >
> > > > And the first stop of this machine should make is the Whitehouse.
> > >
> > > UN torture investigator probing Falun Gong abuse claims
> >
> > Nice try, it's obvious you are changing the subject to avoid talking
> > about Epoch Times' Sujiatun concentration camp accusation.
> >
> > Here again are the findings by Hong Kong's TaKungPao. Why is that a 100
> > year old international Hong Kong news agency go to Sujiatun and Lanzhou
> > University to investigate Epoch Times' allegations, end up finding a
> > pile of hooey?
> >
> > Do you have an answer?
>
> Let history hereby record that
Let history hereby record that demon pretends to know what the eff he's
talking about.
Good God man, read it first will ya? If you can't read chinese, don't
pretend you know what the eff you are taking about, consult a
translation website, okay?
The Falun Nuts can blame their unreliable supernormal power from faulty
cultivation, but you are an ordinary person, what's your excuse?