Health Care is not constitutionally based
Editor RadioTalkingPoints
The federal government thinks it can require health care mandates on
the states, yet the states are bound by laws to balance their
budgets? Well, that explains why Medicaid programs are in trouble?
Missing from the debate is the fact that medical treatments are
sometimes based on guess work, and either highly accurate or
inaccurate testing, resulting in faulty treatment programs that either
produce more medical symptoms worse than the condition (serious
vaccination side effects for flu shots, for one common example) or
outcomes that do not treat the illness.
More or less, a serious illness can drive treatment costs up to the
value of a new car, and not even treat the condition, which is the
point I am driving at. Common sense tells you that you can't saddle
your government with those kind of expenditures and expect to not have
problems.
Health care was not meant to be mandated by the government, health
care was simply that act of God that is not meant to be regulated by
government. What's next, we all need cars, we all need homes, we all
need college educations, we all need foreign travel to different
countries to learn how to integrate into the "world community"?
To sum up, health care is an educated gamble, and the current system
is based on a cost structure that includes buffers to pay for those
that can not pay. To cover the current system as is, is to include
the costs of those buffers, which have taken years to develop, and
hide, from the public.
It is also comical to listen to or watch debate from members of
Congress who try to relate to the public their personal "experience"
with the health care system when they make $500 a day. Determining
the real health care costs and eliminate fraud and waste in the system
is like trying to verify the nuclear power ambitions of Iran?
It sure appears that way when many view the government as an alternate
economy. There is no economical solution for something that has not,
or is not, meant to be covered by the United States constitution.
You can't pass it off to the states under expanding medicaid programs,
states will be forced to raise property tax rates and kick people out
of their homes.
If you jack up the sales tax, then people begin to loose jobs because
of the inflation caused by the purchasing power of the dollar? If you
can't do it with a nickel sales tax increase, it can not be done?
Being that this is the most exciting, most entertaining, fact finding,
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invincible smacketh downeth erectus among us, you can't see the truth
coming, but you know it is anyway, sonic boom of Conservatism, and,
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do you feel lucky?
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dave
>
> More or less, a serious illness can drive treatment costs up to the
> value of a new car, and not even treat the condition, which is the
> point I am driving at. Common sense tells you that you can't saddle
> your government with those kind of expenditures and expect to not have
> problems.
>
>
> Health care was not meant to be mandated by the government, health
> care was simply that act of God that is not meant to be regulated by
> government. What's next, we all need cars, we all need homes, we all
> need college educations, we all need foreign travel to different
> countries to learn how to integrate into the "world community"?
>
You could say the same about the military.
You have a real insincere quality. I think of you as a lagging weather
vane.
Brenda Ann
"dave" <da...@dave.dave> wrote in message
news:4ae6e4fc$0$10913$bd46...@news.dslextreme.com...
My personal belief is that health care goes along with that whole life,
liberty and pursuit of happiness thing. Cars, education, and foreign travel
are perks, not rights. Homes... well, shelter is one of the three basic
needs to preserve life, but people have lived over the centuries in open
caves, straw huts, wooden shacks, frame houses, igloos. People still live in
the three latter, plus the occasional cardboard box or bridge.. Were it up
to me, all vacant buildings in inner cities would be converted to indigent
housing, with a requirement for some form of recompense (community service,
etc.) from those who live there, and a legitimate effort thereby to better
their own lot. But then, I'm not likely to ever have my way.
dave
> My personal belief is that health care goes along with that whole life,
> liberty and pursuit of happiness thing.
The Declaration of Independence was a rabble-rousing pamphlet, not law.
"Provide for the Common Defense" (from the Constitution) covers it for
me. Disease is a bigger enemy than any sandbox with oil.
dave
>> vane.
>
> My personal belief is that health care goes along with that whole life,
> liberty and pursuit of happiness thing.
Interesting to note that, when paraphrasing Locke and others, Jefferson
changes "property" to "pursuit of happiness".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life,_liberty_and_the_pursuit_of_happiness
RHF
Forcing People to "BUY" Health Care Coverage
may be un-constitutional -but- if Social Security
is Legal and Medicare is Legal; than most likely
the US Supreme Court would Rule that Obama
Care© is Legal too.
american us citizens lost the un-constitutional
thingee with the us supreme courts ruling that
the income tax was legal ~ RHF
.
RHF
wrote:
> "dave" <d...@dave.dave> wrote in message
-if- Health Care is a 'basic' Human Right : Then
All Doctors Nurses and Medical Professionals
should be part of a National Health Care {Civil}
Service; and All Clinics and Hospitals Owned
and Operated by the US Federal Government.
* Peg Basic RN Nurses' Pay to the Military O-1
* Peg Basic Doctors' Pay to the Military O-3
-ps- All Medical Schools and Training is Owned
and Controlled by the US Federal Government
and all Trainees and Graduates are required to
Work for the US Federal Government Medical
Corps.
.
dave
>
> -if- Health Care is a 'basic' Human Right : Then
> All Doctors Nurses and Medical Professionals
> should be part of a National Health Care {Civil}
> Service; and All Clinics and Hospitals Owned
> and Operated by the US Federal Government.
That's how Cuba works, isn't it?
That's not how Medicare works, however. The most radical progressive
idea on this matter is Medicare for All. Not state hospitals and a
medical corps.
RHF
Medicare is a Single Payer System that is 'run' by
{but not owned by} the US Federal Government.
+ Side Medicare Pays for the Treatment
- Side Medicare Does Not Own The Means
of Care and Treatment
http://lpa.igc.org/lpv42/lpp42_medicare.html
One 'new' Medical School in each US State
to train "GP" Doctors for Public Health Care
Clinics.
Two 'new' Nursing Schools in each US State
to train "Clinical" Nurses for Public Health Care
Clinics.
One 'new' Public Health Care Clinics in each
US County to serve and practice Preventative
Medicine and keep people 'well' and out of
Hospitals. {Rural Counties First}
.
dave
>
> Medicare is a Single Payer System that is 'run' by
> {but not owned by} the US Federal Government.
> + Side Medicare Pays for the Treatment
> - Side Medicare Does Not Own The Means
> of Care and Treatment
> http://lpa.igc.org/lpv42/lpp42_medicare.html
>
> One 'new' Medical School in each US State
> to train "GP" Doctors for Public Health Care
> Clinics.
>
> Two 'new' Nursing Schools in each US State
> to train "Clinical" Nurses for Public Health Care
> Clinics.
>
> One 'new' Public Health Care Clinics in each
> US County to serve and practice Preventative
> Medicine and keep people 'well' and out of
> Hospitals. {Rural Counties First}
> .
You DO want the Cuban system!
edi...@netpath.net
wrote:
> My personal belief is that health care goes along with that whole life,
> liberty and pursuit of happiness thing.
Just try squaring that "opt-out" provision for states with the
Constitution's "equal protection" clauses. How do you make different
Obamacare - or the same Obamacare at different prices depending on
what state you're in - square with those "equal protection" clauses of
the Constitution?
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/08/04/where-is-your-townhall/ is
the all-states, continually-updated calendar of "town halls."
http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com - your source for hard-to-find stuff!
RHF
> On Oct 27, 7:29 am, "Brenda Ann" <newsgro...@fullspectrumradio.org>
> wrote:
>
> > My personal belief is that health care goes along with that whole life,
> > liberty and pursuit of happiness thing.
- Just try squaring that "opt-out" provision for states with the
- Constitution's "equal protection" clauses. How do you make
different
- Obamacare - or the same Obamacare at different prices depending on
- what state you're in - square with those "equal protection" clauses
of
- the Constitution?
> http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/08/04/where-is-your-townhall/is
> the all-states, continually-updated calendar of "town halls."
>
> http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com- your source for hard-to-find stuff!
IMHO - The so-called Opt-Out provision
is just smoke and mirrors.
Reality Check HR XXXX Page 92 within 3 Years
all 'Private' Health Plans must meet the same
"Standards" {be a Qualified Plan} as the PUBIC
{Big Government} Health Plan -result- your former
'Private' Health Plans can be no worse {and no
better} that PUBIC {Big Government} Health Plan
Do-The-Math {Individuals} :
Continue to Pay More for your 'Private' Health Plan
with coverage that is no better than the PUBIC {Big
Government} Health Plan -or- Drop your 'Private'
Health Plan and pay the $800 per Year for the
PUBIC {Big Government} Health Plan.
Do-The-Math {Small Businesses} :
Continue to Pay More for your 'Private' Health Plan
for your Employees with coverage that is no better
than the PUBIC {Big Government} Health Plan -or-
Drop your Employees 'Private' Health Plan and pay
the $800 per Year Fine for the PUBIC {Big Government}
Health Plan.
Within a Decade many/most Americans will be
Forced into the PUBIC {Big Government} Health
Plan -aka- Obama-Care©
Conclusion : Obama-Care© is Liberal-Fascism ~ RHF
.
* Obama-Care© Still Has The End-of-Life "Death Panels"
.
* Obama-Care© Still Has Free Medical Coverage
for Illegal Aliens that American US Citizens will
be Paying for
.
* Obama-Care© Still Has Funding for Abortions
including Partial Birth Abortions -aka- Obama-Cide©
.
* Obama-Care© HR XXXX when from 1300 Pages
that No-One-Read before Prez Obama's Speech
to the US Congress to 2000 Pages Pages that
No-One-Read now in it's present form.
.
RHF
- You DO want the Cuban system!
-if- Health Care is a 'basic' Human Right
* * * therefore-it-follows * * * ~ RHF
.
Job Based and Wage Based Funding for a
Universal Health Care System is a Doomed
and Failed System : IT TAXES DOMESTIC
PRODUCTS {GOODS} AND SERVICES -and-
Lets Imported Products {Goods} and Services
Go Un-Taxed.
A Universal Value-Added-Tax [VAT] that TAXES
both Domestic and Imported Products and Services
Equally is the preferred and better way to Universally
Fund and Pay for a Universal Health Care System
-and- the US Federal Government in general.
REALITY CHECK - Wage and Income Taxes are
dumb, Dumb. DUMB ! for any Country that is a
Net Importer of Products {Goods} and Services
like the USA has become in the 21st Century.
1 - Abolish the US Federal Income Tax for 90%
of Working Americans with :
2 - Flat Value-Added-Tax [VAT] on all Products
{Goods} and Services for everyone making less
than $250K per Year {10%~15%}
2 - Flat Income Tax that is equal to the Value-
Added-Tax [VAT] on everyone making above
$250K per Year {10%~15%}
3 - Double Flat Income Tax that is Double the
Value-Added-Tax [VAT] on everyone making
above $2.5 Million per Year {20%~30%}
4 - Triple Flat Income Tax that is Triple the
Value-Added-Tax [VAT] on everyone making
above $25 Million per Year {30%~45%}
5 - Four-Times Flat Income Tax that is 4X the
Value-Added-Tax [VAT] on everyone making
above $250 Million per Year {40%~60%}
NOTE - All those who try to tell you that a simple
Flat Value-Added-Tax [VAT] System will do are
Lying to you and are trying to SCAM you.
Again -if- Health Care is a 'basic' Human Right :
Then it must be Universally Funded where all
'basically' Pay Equally for It; plus 'some' Pay
More Accordingly To Their Means. ~ RHF
=PS= Obama-Care© is Fundamentally Flawed
because it is Fund By Taxing Incomes and Wages.
.
cuh...@webtv.net
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Generals.
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The Generals Revolt.
That's right Generals, REVOLT!
We dun got ober tree times teh normal rain here forr thi month, hitz
still pouring down real hard rite now, like a Cow pizzin onna ah brown
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dave
>
> Conclusion : Obama-Care� is Liberal-Fascism ~ RHF
> .
I believe that's why he got elected. The People wanted control back
from the corporatistas.
Somebody Somewhere
And instead they got a communist jack boot on their neck.
Twibil
>
>
> > > Conclusion : Obama-Care© is Liberal-Fascism ~ RHF
> > > .
>
> > I believe that's why he got elected. The People wanted control back
> > from the corporatistas.
>
> And instead they got a communist jack boot on their neck.
Well, sure, for a given value of "communist jack boot on their neck":
in this case meaning "a centrist liberal ballet slipper abandoned
somewhere near them".
And BTW: it's "jack-boot". (If you're going to be a proper jack-booted-
thug, you've got to start getting those little things right.)
dave
Somebody's a drama queen.
The corporations had a nice run, now it's freedom's turn.
N9NEO
Yes, exactly Brenda Ann. Lump in health care with that pursuit of
happiness clause. If it makes you happy to have health care then go
out and pursue a job that compensates well enough and pay for it
yourself. Don't take my hard earned money away from me in order to
pay for your gosh darn health care. You go to school and study hard
and you will do well. If a person is developmentally challenged then
no problem, we all chip in and take care of him/her. If the person
fucked off in school and never studied then he gets what he deserves -
no health care.
regards,
NEO
dave
That's just plain mean. No wonder this country is over.
Ima
> On Oct 27, 7:29 am, "Brenda Ann" <newsgro...@fullspectrumradio.org>
> wrote:
>> "dave" <d...@dave.dave> wrote in message
>>
>> news:4ae6e4fc$0$10913$bd46...@news.dslextreme.com...
>>
>> My personal belief is that health care goes along with that whole life,
>> liberty and pursuit of happiness thing. Cars, education, and foreign
>> travel are perks, not rights. Homes... well, shelter is one of the
>> three basic needs to preserve life, but people have lived over the
>> centuries in open caves, straw huts, wooden shacks, frame houses,
>> igloos. People still live in the three latter, plus the occasional
>> cardboard box or bridge.. Were it up to me, all vacant buildings in
>> inner cities would be converted to indigent housing, with a requirement
>> for some form of recompense (community service, etc.) from those who
>> live there, and a legitimate effort thereby to better their own lot.
>> But then, I'm not likely to ever have my way.
>
> Yes, exactly Brenda Ann. Lump in health care with that pursuit of
> happiness clause. If it makes you happy to have health care then go out
> and pursue a job that compensates well enough and pay for it yourself.
> Don't take my hard earned money away from me in order to pay for your
> gosh darn health care. You go to school and study hard and you will do
> well. If a person is developmentally challenged then no problem, we all
> chip in and take care of him/her. If the person fucked off in school
> and never studied then he gets what he deserves - no health care.
>
> regards,
> NEO
All is good for you until you get cancer and loose your job, house and
insurance. Then you will demand the government owes you something.
Or will you simply pack you grocery cart and leave willingly? I drought
that.
Ima
> On Oct 27, 7:29 am, "Brenda Ann" <newsgro...@fullspectrumradio.org>
> wrote:
>> "dave" <d...@dave.dave> wrote in message
>>
>> news:4ae6e4fc$0$10913$bd46...@news.dslextreme.com...
>>
>> My personal belief is that health care goes along with that whole life,
>> liberty and pursuit of happiness thing. Cars, education, and foreign
>> travel are perks, not rights. Homes... well, shelter is one of the
>> three basic needs to preserve life, but people have lived over the
>> centuries in open caves, straw huts, wooden shacks, frame houses,
>> igloos. People still live in the three latter, plus the occasional
>> cardboard box or bridge.. Were it up to me, all vacant buildings in
>> inner cities would be converted to indigent housing, with a requirement
>> for some form of recompense (community service, etc.) from those who
>> live there, and a legitimate effort thereby to better their own lot.
>> But then, I'm not likely to ever have my way.
>
> Yes, exactly Brenda Ann. Lump in health care with that pursuit of
> happiness clause. If it makes you happy to have health care then go out
> and pursue a job that compensates well enough and pay for it yourself.
> Don't take my hard earned money away from me in order to pay for your
> gosh darn health care. You go to school and study hard and you will do
> well. If a person is developmentally challenged then no problem, we all
> chip in and take care of him/her. If the person fucked off in school
> and never studied then he gets what he deserves - no health care.
>
> regards,
> NEO
All is good for you until you get cancer and loose your job, house and
Ima
> On Oct 27, 7:29 am, "Brenda Ann" <newsgro...@fullspectrumradio.org>
> wrote:
>> "dave" <d...@dave.dave> wrote in message
>>
>> news:4ae6e4fc$0$10913$bd46...@news.dslextreme.com...
>>
>> My personal belief is that health care goes along with that whole life,
>> liberty and pursuit of happiness thing. Cars, education, and foreign
>> travel are perks, not rights. Homes... well, shelter is one of the
>> three basic needs to preserve life, but people have lived over the
>> centuries in open caves, straw huts, wooden shacks, frame houses,
>> igloos. People still live in the three latter, plus the occasional
>> cardboard box or bridge.. Were it up to me, all vacant buildings in
>> inner cities would be converted to indigent housing, with a requirement
>> for some form of recompense (community service, etc.) from those who
>> live there, and a legitimate effort thereby to better their own lot.
>> But then, I'm not likely to ever have my way.
>
> Yes, exactly Brenda Ann. Lump in health care with that pursuit of
> happiness clause. If it makes you happy to have health care then go out
> and pursue a job that compensates well enough and pay for it yourself.
> Don't take my hard earned money away from me in order to pay for your
> gosh darn health care. You go to school and study hard and you will do
> well. If a person is developmentally challenged then no problem, we all
> chip in and take care of him/her. If the person fucked off in school
> and never studied then he gets what he deserves - no health care.
>
> regards,
> NEO
All is good for you until you get cancer and loose your job, house and
insurance. Then like a hypocrite, you will demand the government owes you
Twibil
>
>
> I drought that.
Sort of a Biblical Flood in reverse, eh?
And three times over, to boot!
RHF
Warning Your Private Medical Insurance Premiums
Could Triple Under Obama-Care© -source- WSJ
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703567204574499034177212064.html
* It's Only 'Fair' cause someone has to Pay
for the Health Care of the Working Poor
* It's Only 'Fair' cause someone has to Pay
for the Health Care of the Unemployed
* It's Only 'Fair' cause someone has to Pay
for the Health Care of the Illegal Aliens
* Tripling your Private Medical Insurance Premiums
now that's 'Change' you can feel in your Wallet.
WAY TO GO PREZ OBAMA !
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2372687/posts
WAY TO GO NANCY PELOSI and
the Democrat Controlled US House !
http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/showthread.php?t=82071
WAY TO GO Harry Reid and the
Democrat Controlled US Senate !
http://www.heartland.org/full/26263/The_WellPoint_Revelation.html
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Say "NO" to the 'Troika' of Obama & Pelosi & Reid
and Their Collective Liberal Politics & Radical Policies
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http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/de2c1bc2fbc03a19
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Obama + Pelosi + Reid The Axis of Evil Liberal
Democrat {Socialist} Party of the USA Taxing
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Just Say No to "The Triumvirate" of Obama & Pelosi & Reid
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Go Green Recycle Congress ! - Say 'No' to Pelosi & Reid
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Just Say NO to Obama-Care© !
http://www.infidelsparadise.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/obamacare3.jpg
-and- Save a Life {Maybe Your Own}
.
Obama-Care© -if- Health Care is a 'basic' Human Right
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/95b4b2d695fbc6cc
.
Obama-Care© - The so-called Opt-Out provision
is just Smoke-and-Mirrors.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/b3d1741a0390cebd
.
Obama-Care© - Forcing People to "BUY" Health Care Coverage
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/50f35fd6dd1913c7
.
.
Twibil
(SNIP)
Ah, the annual holiday fruitcake season is upon us once more!
RHF
> On Nov 1, 5:12 pm, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> (SNIP)
- Ah, the annual holiday fruitcake season
- is upon us once more!
=WRT= Prez Obama & Holiday Fruitcake
. . . for that 'connection' you would have
to ask {don't tell} Larry Sinclair
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/923ce81795facf71
.
Yes Larry Sinclair Is Talking About
. . . the ObamaSexual©
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/acdc263408ca92d0
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now back to the realities of Obama-Care©
WARNING Your Private Medical Insurance Premiums
Could Triple Under Obama-Care© -source- WSJ
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/a7e31bccc1d98b86
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Twibil
>
>
> - Ah, the annual holiday fruitcake season
> - is upon us once more!
>
> =WRT= Prez Obama & Holiday Fruitcake
(SNIP)
And oddly enough, this year it's the fruitcakes who are sending things
rather than being sent themseves!
(But thanx for making my point to anyone out there who missed it the
first time past.)
We now return you to your regularly scheduled Palinista, er,
programming. (And don't the words "Palinista" and "programming" go
together well?) };-P
99...@nfl.com
Never mind taht without Obama Care your premiums will increase alot
more than triple.
We've had no Obama care in the last few years and Medical Insurance
Premium have gone up alot more than triple.
RHF
> >Re: (OT) Warning Your Private Medical Insurance Premiums Could Triple 3X] Under >Obama-Care©
>
- Never mind taht without Obama Care your
- premiums will increase alot more than triple.
-
- We've had no Obama care in the last few years
- and Medical Insurance Premium have gone up
- alot more than triple.
Great that's just so much ObamaBot©
Obama-Imgination
Point-of-Fact : By 2018 the US National Health Care
expenditures {Costs} are 'expected' to reach $4.4
Trillion which is more than double 2007
http://www.nchc.org/facts/cost.shtml
-so- So Obama-Care's© Tripling of Health Care
Cost would add a 50% Increase {Tax} do to
the cost of Obama-Care©
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