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N∅ ∅baMa∅

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Sep 10, 2009, 8:33:05 AM9/10/09
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The most important thing about what anyone says are not the words
themselves but the credibility of the person who says them.

The words of convicted swindler Bernie Madoff were apparently quite
convincing to many people who were regarded as knowledgeable and
sophisticated. If you go by words, you can be led into anything.

No doubt millions of people will be listening to the words of
President Barack Obama Wednesday night when he makes a televised
address to a joint session of Congress on his medical care plans. But,
if they think that the words he says are what matters, they can be led
into something much worse than being swindled out of their money.

One plain fact should outweigh all the words of Barack Obama and all
the impressive trappings of the setting in which he says them: He
tried to rush Congress into passing a massive government takeover of
the nation's medical care before the August recess-- for a program
that would not take effect until 2013!

Whatever President Obama is, he is not stupid. If the urgency to pass
the medical care legislation was to deal with a problem immediately,
then why postpone the date when the legislation goes into effect for
years-- more specifically, until the year after the next Presidential
election?

If this is such an urgently needed program, why wait for years to put
it into effect? And if the public is going to benefit from this, why
not let them experience those benefits before the next Presidential
election?

If it is not urgent that the legislation goes into effect immediately,
then why don't we have time to go through the normal process of
holding Congressional hearings on the pros and cons, accompanied by
public discussions of its innumerable provisions? What sense does it
make to "hurry up and wait" on something that is literally a matter of
life and death?

If we do not believe that the President is stupid, then what do we
believe? The only reasonable alternative seems to be that he wanted to
get this massive government takeover of medical care passed into law
before the public understood what was in it.

Moreover, he wanted to get re-elected in 2012 before the public
experienced what its actual consequences would be.

Unfortunately, this way of doing things is all too typical of the way
this administration has acted on a wide range of issues.

Consider the "stimulus" legislation. Here the administration was
successful in rushing a massive spending bill through Congress in just
two days-- after which it sat on the President's desk for three days,
while he was away on vacation. But, like the medical care legislation,
the "stimulus" legislation takes effect slowly.

The Congressional Budget Office estimates that it will be September
2010 before even three-quarters of the money will be spent. Some
economists expect that it will not all be spent by the end of 2010.

What was the rush to pass it, then? It was not to get that money out
into the economy as fast as possible. It was to get that money-- and
the power that goes with it-- into the hands of the government. Power
is what politics is all about.

The worst thing that could happen, from the standpoint of those
seeking more government power over the economy, would be for the
economy to begin recovering on its own while months were being spent
debating the need for a "stimulus" bill. As the President's chief of
staff, Rahm Emanuel, said, you can't let a crisis "go to waste" when
"it's an opportunity to do things you could not do before."

There are lots of people in the Obama administration who want to do
things that have not been done before-- and to do them before the
public realizes what is happening.

The proliferation of White House "czars" in charge of everything from
financial issues to media issues is more of the same circumvention of
the public and of the Constitution. Czars don't have to be confirmed
by the Senate, the way Cabinet members must be, even though czars may
wield more power, so you may never know what these people are like,
until it is too late.

What Barack Obama says Wednesday night is not nearly as important as
what he has been doing-- and how he has been doing it.

http://www.tsowell.com/
http://townhall.com/Columnists/ThomasSowell/

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Sep 10, 2009, 10:54:51 AM9/10/09
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On Sep 10, 7:33 am, N∅ ∅baMa∅ <obamao.sux.donki.dix...@gmail.com>
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REPUBLICANS VALUE PROFITS OVER DECENCY:)

cuh...@webtv.net

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Sep 10, 2009, 1:23:02 PM9/10/09
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Anytime a politician's yap is moving, that MOFO is Lieing!
cuhulin

~ RHF

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Sep 10, 2009, 5:44:13 PM9/10/09
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I Listened on the Radio to 'My President' Obama
Speak on Real Health Care Reform for 48 Minutes.

-if- What was in the Pelosi-Ried {Partisan}
Congressional Obama-Care© was scrapped
and we went with just the Changes in Prez
Obama's Speech; a Bill of some 48 Pages
in plain English then we would have real
beginning at Heath Reform -not- Massive
Socialized Medicine.

The Pelosi-Reid {Partisan} Congressional
Obama-Care© Health Care is Too Much,
Too Fast and Too Too Costly and Imposes
Massive Socialized Medicine; and at 1300
Pages has way too many rat-hole details
for a beginning {foundation} Bill.

I then Watched 'My President' on the TV Speak
on Real Health Care Reform for 48 Minutes.
-so- Why Not "Cut" the current Congressional
Obama-Care© Bill from 1300 Pages down to
some 480 Pages in government English then
we would have real beginning at Heath Reform
-not- Massive Socialized Medicine run by the
Government.
* Un-Lock Medical Insurance from State Boundaries
* Open Up a National Nation-Wide Medical
Insurance Market Place.
* No Pre-Existing Conditions
* No Cancellations
* No Life-time Limits
* Health Care Cooperatives / Health Plan Alliances
* Real Tort Reform

Presently What Prez Obama Said and the
Obama-Care© {Partisan} Bill by Pelosi-Reid
Are Not The Same : American's Want Real
Heath Care Reform for American Without
Massive Government Socialized Medicine.
.
American Citizens Ask : Is There a Real Valid
Alternative to Obama-Care© -answer- YES !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/2448cfcf28d52989
Say "NO" to Massive Government Socialized
Medicine System/Program
.
Just Say 'NO' to Big Government Obama-Care©
-and- YES to Real Universal Health Care Reform
“The Patients’ Choice Act of 2009”
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/626026f0b6b74b73
Say "NO" to a Costly Massive Government
Socialized Medicine System/Program :
Taxes, Taxes and More Taxes
.
O.B.A.M.A. = One Big Absolute Mistake America !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/244b71e8dcd31438
The ObamaNation© Creating a Culture of Joblessness,
Dependency and Controlling Your Every Day Life plus
Taxing Every Day You Live : That's Obama-Tax-Slavery© !
.
Think Green : Recycle Prez Obama in 2012 !
* One Term Then Out !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/56fc0215d189c238
.
"Since When Has It Been Part of American Patriotism
to Keep Our Mouths Shut?" -a-la- Hillary Clinton 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/0e99a85fda97af18
.
just say 'no' to obama-munism© {liberal-fascism}
-and- pledge a 'yes' to america's freedoms for all ~ RHF
.
.
On Sep 10, 5:33 am, N∅ ∅baMa∅ <obamao.sux.donki.dix...@gmail.com>
wrote:

~ RHF

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Sep 11, 2009, 5:29:13 AM9/11/09
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On Sep 10, 2:44 pm, "~ RHF" <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
- I Listened on the Radio to 'My President' Obama
- Speak on Real Health Care Reform for 48 Minutes.

Text of President Barack Obama's Speech
to the US Congress on Health Care Reform
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obama_health_care_text
Telling the Democrats Pelosi & Reid to go
back and get it right.

Presently What Prez Obama Said and the
Obama-Care© {Partisan} Bill by Pelosi-Reid

Are Not The Same . . .
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/e083ba6a546c14eb

Will the Democrat Leadership Pelosi-Reid
Answer Prez Obama's Call for Bipartisan
Action on Health Care Reform ?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090911/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_overhaul

FACT CHECK : Obama-Care© as drafted by
Democrats Pelosi & Reid 'allows' for Health
Care Coverage for all Illegal Immigrants
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_illegal_immigrants_fact_check
Cause it does not Require US Citizenship for
Coverage by Obama-Care© and the Democrats
Pelosi & Reid did not permit two Amendments
to correct this Flaw in Obama-Care©

Obama-Care© is Bad Medicine for America
because of Partisan Leadership in the US
House by Nancy Pelosi [D-CA]
Blame Nancy Pelosi - blame, Blame. BLAME !
* Have a 'nice thought' for Prez Obama :o)

Prez Obama talked about 30 Million US Citizens
without Health Care and Pelosi & Reid talk about
46 Million Americanos needing Health Care.
The 16 Million 'difference' is the Growing Number
of Illegal Immigrants that Pelosi & Reid want you
to Cover and Pay for under Obama-Care©

Obama-Care© is Bad Medicine for America
because of Partisan Leadership in the US
Senate by Harry Reid [D-NV]
Blame Harry Reid - blame, Blame. BLAME !
* Have a 'nice thought' for Prez Obama :o)

American Citizens Ask : Is There a Real Valid

Alternative to Pelosi & Reid Obama-Care©


-answer- YES !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/2448cfcf28d52989
Say "NO" to Massive Government Socialized

Medicine System/Program and Increased Taxes

Just Say 'NO' to Pelosi & Reid Big Government
Obama-Care© -and- YES to Real Bipartisan Health


Care Reform “The Patients’ Choice Act of 2009”
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/626026f0b6b74b73
Say "NO" to a Costly Massive Government

Socialized Medicine System/Program with
taxes, Taxes and More TAXES !
.

> Alternative to Obama-Care© -answer- YES !http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/2448cfcf28d52989


> Say "NO" to Massive Government Socialized
> Medicine System/Program
>  .
> Just Say 'NO' to Big Government Obama-Care©
> -and- YES to Real Universal Health Care Reform
> “The Patients’ Choice Act of 2009”http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/626026f0b6b74b73
> Say "NO" to a Costly Massive Government
> Socialized Medicine System/Program :
> Taxes, Taxes and More Taxes
>  .

> O.B.A.M.A. = One Big Absolute Mistake America !http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/244b71e8dcd31438


> The ObamaNation© Creating a Culture of Joblessness,
> Dependency and Controlling Your Every Day Life plus
> Taxing Every Day You Live : That's Obama-Tax-Slavery© !
>  .
> Think Green : Recycle Prez Obama in 2012 !

> * One Term Then Out !http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/56fc0215d189c238


>  .
> "Since When Has It Been Part of American Patriotism

> to Keep Our Mouths Shut?" -a-la- Hillary Clinton 2006http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/0e99a85fda97af18

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BREAKING NEWS!!! Judge Carter is Granting us Expedited Discovery
Immediately.
www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=273059
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U.S.Preparing for North Korea Collapse Scenario: CSIS Report.
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No Count Mule,,, DUMMMMB ASS Obammma,,,,,,,,,
cuhulin

BDK

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In article <9934-4AA...@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>,
cuh...@webtv.net says...

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA! Oily is just pissing money away. When will you
"discover" that she's a raving loon?
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Former number one Kook Magnet, title passed to Iarnrod.

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palms? I reckon as how it is those two (TWO) Phyto-Estrogen capsules (I
buy them at the GNC store) that I take twice each day.LQQka here, that
is makin that hair on top of my hands grow longer, I jist now measured
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longer.Sh.t, I LIKES it!, I LIKES it!
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quick.
cuhulin

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The Middle East After World War Two.
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Where was DUMBASS on 9/11/01?
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No Count Mullllle,,,, DUMMMMB ASS B HO,,,,,
cuhulin

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Termorra is ahh nudder dey,,, goin teh bed.I can't stand watchin those
Dummies on Ask This Old House on the DIY channel.Termorry mawn, I needs
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store, www.shopgoodwill.com
Doggy, you wants a cookie?
WOO WOO WOOF!
cuhulin

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