You be the judge

[Eddie]

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/feb/18/you-be-the-judge-should-my-husband-keep-his-motorbike-in-the-house

Why is there no voting option for 'the bikes should be inside and the
paperweight collection should be in the bin'?

--
Eddie ed...@deguello.org

[YTC#1]

On 18/02/2022 08:44, Eddie wrote:
> https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/feb/18/you-be-the-judge-should-my-husband-keep-his-motorbike-in-the-house
>
>
> Why is there no voting option for 'the bikes should be inside and the
> paperweight collection should be in the bin'?
>

Bikes are for riding.

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

[Champ]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 10:02:40 +0000, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 18/02/2022 08:44, Eddie wrote:
>> https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/feb/18/you-be-the-judge-should-my-husband-keep-his-motorbike-in-the-house

>> Why is there no voting option for 'the bikes should be inside and the
>> paperweight collection should be in the bin'?

>Bikes are for riding.

Up to a point, Lord Copper

For some machines, the pleasure of ownership is as much a part of it
as the riding. I feel a bit like that about my TZ

For a proper collectible vintage bike, having it as objet d'art in the
house seems entirely reasonable
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

[Eddie]

On 18/02/2022 10:02, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 18/02/2022 08:44, Eddie wrote:
>> https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/feb/18/you-be-the-judge-should-my-husband-keep-his-motorbike-in-the-house
>>
>>
>> Why is there no voting option for 'the bikes should be inside and the
>> paperweight collection should be in the bin'?
>
> Bikes are for riding.

And the paperweight collection?

--
Eddie ed...@deguello.org

[Peter Fisher]

Well despite it being Peter and a Gilera, it's not me. I wouldn't dare describe SWMBO's original sculptures as "paperweights".
Not strictly vintage either. This 74 Gilera 16er special may well be a rare (still running) 50RS. Clearly his first bike and love. If any bike I ever owned was a work of Art, it was the Voxan - or perhaps GFR.

Never had a whole bike in the house, but whole engines more than once.

Needs to build a conservatory as neutral territory for bikes and other objets d'art.

[ChrisND @UKRM]

On 18/02/2022 10:33, Champ wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 10:02:40 +0000, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On 18/02/2022 08:44, Eddie wrote:
>>> https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/feb/18/you-be-the-judge-should-my-husband-keep-his-motorbike-in-the-house
>
>>> Why is there no voting option for 'the bikes should be inside and the
>>> paperweight collection should be in the bin'?
>
>> Bikes are for riding.
>
> Up to a point, Lord Copper
>
> For some machines, the pleasure of ownership is as much a part of it
> as the riding. I feel a bit like that about my TZ
>
> For a proper collectible vintage bike, having it as objet d'art in the
> house seems entirely reasonable

Or like my local pub where a Sinclair C5 and the red Dalek face each
other across an aisle...

Chris
--
The Deuchars BBB#40 COFF#14
Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550t
http://www.Deuchars.org.uk

[YTC#1]

On 18/02/2022 10:33, Champ wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 10:02:40 +0000, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On 18/02/2022 08:44, Eddie wrote:
>>> https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/feb/18/you-be-the-judge-should-my-husband-keep-his-motorbike-in-the-house
>
>>> Why is there no voting option for 'the bikes should be inside and the
>>> paperweight collection should be in the bin'?
>
>> Bikes are for riding.
>
> Up to a point, Lord Copper
>
> For some machines, the pleasure of ownership is as much a part of it
> as the riding. I feel a bit like that about my TZ
>
> For a proper collectible vintage bike, having it as objet d'art in the
> house seems entirely reasonable

In which case it should be on a plinth or whatever as it is then treated
as art.

Jean likes plants, but when they get in the way I request they are
relocated.

She likes bikes, and put up with repairing them in the kitchen/front
room many years ago. Now I doubt I would be granted the space :-)

We have bits of bikes hanging on the walls though, Jean made a "shrine"
to my stolen Pegaso :-)

[YTC#1]

Errrm. For weighing paper? :-)

[Mark Olson]

Eddie <ed...@deguello.org> wrote:
> https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/feb/18/you-be-the-judge-should-my-husband-keep-his-motorbike-in-the-house
>
> Why is there no voting option for 'the bikes should be inside and the
> paperweight collection should be in the bin'?

Didn't get as far as any voting buttons.

But the sentence:
"We???ve also bought a posh dishwasher ??? and Peter loves to stick
bits of his motorbike into it, which I find alarming."

reminded me of the time I advised TOG to put a cylinder head / cam
cover in the dishwasher to degrease it. I had done this myself but
I neglected to share with TOG that it required multiple repetitions
of the cleaning cycle to deal with the resulting gunk left behind.

He was quite surprised at the vehemence of the reaction of his
dear wife when the inevitable residual crud was discovered in their
presumably also-posh dishwasher.

I couldn't find the original but here's a reference.

I miss TOG.

https://groups.google.com/g/uk.rec.motorcycles/c/xgoJkL2fVDg/m/94_6Vim1AwAJ

--
FJR1300A, GL1000, KLR650A6F, EX250J9A, DR200SE, Vespa Ciao

[Turby]

On 2/18/2022 12:44 AM, Eddie wrote:
> https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/feb/18/you-be-the-judge-should-my-husband-keep-his-motorbike-in-the-house
>
>
> Why is there no voting option for 'the bikes should be inside and the
> paperweight collection should be in the bin'?
>

I'm a collector. (Isn't everyone? Who doesn't have a sock drawer?) I
have documented over 100 collections, from beer deckels to seashells.
But I only own 2 motorcycles, and one is in Europe. I've never parked
one in my living space, even when I lived in a garage. Maybe if I owned
a 1920 Triumph, it could stay in the living room.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

[cat]

On 18/02/2022 11:46, YTC#1 wrote:
>
> On 18/02/2022 10:50, Eddie wrote:
>> On 18/02/2022 10:02, YTC#1 wrote:
>>> On 18/02/2022 08:44, Eddie wrote:
>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/feb/18/you-be-the-judge-should-my-husband-keep-his-motorbike-in-the-house
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why is there no voting option for 'the bikes should be inside and
>>>> the paperweight collection should be in the bin'?
>>>
>>> Bikes are for riding.
>>
>> And the paperweight collection?
>>
>
> Errrm. For weighing paper? :-)
>

put a bit of paper under the ornamental bike. DUN.

[petrolcan]

In article <suo8hi$3uv$1...@dont-email.me>, Mark Olson says...

>
> Eddie <ed...@deguello.org> wrote:
> > https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/feb/18/you-be-the-judge-should-my-husband-keep-his-motorbike-in-the-house
> >
> > Why is there no voting option for 'the bikes should be inside and the
> > paperweight collection should be in the bin'?
>

> I couldn't find the original but here's a reference.
>
> I miss TOG.
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/uk.rec.motorcycles/c/xgoJkL2fVDg/m/94_6Vim1AwAJ

https://groups.google.com/g/uk.rec.motorcycles/c/yF6-jV6TrVs/m/sf7JRCp8Y0IJ

[YTC#1]

The winner!

[geoffC]

Very good stuff :-)

--
Geoff

[Bruce Horrocks]

On 18/02/2022 08:44, Eddie wrote:

> https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/feb/18/you-be-the-judge-should-my-husband-keep-his-motorbike-in-the-house
>
>
> Why is there no voting option for 'the bikes should be inside and the
> paperweight collection should be in the bin'?

Good God, what tosh. And they have the cheek to end the page with:

"Unlike many others, the Guardian has no shareholders and no billionaire
owner. Just the determination and passion to deliver high-impact global
reporting, always free from commercial or political influence. Reporting
like this is vital for democracy, for fairness and to demand better from
the powerful."


--
Bruce Horrocks
FJR1300AS

[Bruce Horrocks]

On 18/02/2022 10:50, Eddie wrote:

Weightier matters, of course.


--
Bruce Horrocks
FJR1300AS

[Champ]

That took me right back

[Colin Irvine]

On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 13:30:53 +0000, Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 19:38:42 -0000 (UTC), geoffC <m...@home.nl> wrote:
>
>>On 18/02/2022 18:51, petrolcan wrote:
>
>>>https://groups.google.com/g/uk.rec.motorcycles/c/yF6-jV6TrVs/m/sf7JRCp8Y0IJ
>
>>Very good stuff :-)
>
>That took me right back

And me.

--
Colin Irvine
FJR1300A

[Mike Fleming]

On 18/02/2022 10:50, Eddie wrote:

The Gilera is obviously part of it.

An old friend of mine used to keep his immaculate BSA A10 in the front
room. Looked very nice.

In this couple's case, if he's determined not to keep the ornamental
Gilera in the garage, he needs to negotiate an acceptable location with
his other half. Location for the bike, that is, not for him and/or her.
I can sympathise with both of them, with 30+ basses and guitars, I have
to try and keep them out of the way as much as possible.

[WUN]

On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 5:51:11 PM UTC, petrolcan wrote:

> https://groups.google.com/g/uk.rec.motorcycles/c/yF6-jV6TrVs/m/sf7JRCp8Y0IJ

That was a pleasant few minutes, wallowing in nostalgia.

--
WUN

[Eddie]

On 18/02/2022 17:18, cat wrote:

... is the right answer.

--
Eddie ed...@deguello.org

[Stephen Packer]

I was absent at that time but recognised a lot of the names.

Quite shocking that it was 2004. I mean, where's my fucking life gone?

I'm not sure that there's been anything to replace the social 'contact' that was enabled
by usenet around the turn of the century. Well usenet+IRC.
- Facebook seems too fragmented and attracts the wrong people.
- Instagram's just a bunch of lifestyle boasting.
- Twitter, well I'm not sure about; I think it's full of people paid to spout opinions often by people
with the opposite opinions... I think it's very dangerous. Or maybe it's just my curation of twitter
that's like that.
And all the other 'networks'; Twitch, TikTok, whatever... well I'm not omnipresent. Maybe it exists
there? I somehow doubt it though.

Usenet+IRC did have a significant impact on lives at a certain point in time. I think
the fact it wasn't altogether easy to access it possibly helped, although maybe that was
more like 1995 or so than 2000. Or maybe I'm just getting old and sentimental and harking
back to better days when we had kb instead of gb.

[ChrisND @UKRM]

And as for those that insist on using 'Whatsapp' "because its so much
safer than facebook messenger" - which they won't go near!
FFS

[wessie]

Stephen Packer <stephen...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:72c6e5dd-655b-45aa...@googlegroups.com:

I am a relative upstart, joining UKRM in 1999, so don't have the
nostalgia for anything before the.

Most of the people I go on holiday with are those I made first contact
with via UKRM. It's a sort of extension to the Alpinestars trip we did,
a genteel version. All bar 2 of us are retired.

The closest thing on the internet from a social contact aspect has been
the Yahoo group that morphed into the UKGSer forum. It has pretty
minimal moderation. Through this medium, I have made a few real life
friends, fallen out with many, gone on trips, got laid and had a few
laughs. Bonwick has settled there.

Sadly, the wanker quota on UKGSer is higher than UKRM and I think that
is due to the ease of access.

[ChrisND @UKRM]

On 20/02/2022 16:42, wessie wrote:
>
> The closest thing on the internet from a social contact aspect has been
> the Yahoo group that morphed into the UKGSer forum. It has pretty
> minimal moderation. Through this medium, I have made a few real life
> friends, fallen out with many, gone on trips, got laid and had a few
> laughs. Bonwick has settled there.
>
> Sadly, the wanker quota on UKGSer is higher than UKRM and I think that
> is due to the ease of access.

<fx: raises eyebrow> GS?
Oh, its BMWs, not Suzukis....
Is this review representative?
"Search domain reviewcentre.comhttps://www.reviewcentre.com ›
reviews172239-html
It appears to be more than just about motorbikes, ukgser seems to be a
means for the old, infirm, housebound and socially inept to communicate.
But be prepared to wade through a lot of attempted humor from a regular
crowd of keyboard recluses spouting in-jokes and trying to chat up the
one of the few women that frequents the forum. Take it with a pinch of
salt and you… Read Full Review. If ..."

:-)

[wessie]

"ChrisND @UKRM" <chr...@privacy.net> wrote in news:j7fa0lF4k2cU1
@mid.individual.net:

as I said, it is the closest analogue to UKRM in the era of forums and
platforms

[Mark Olson]

wessie <willn...@tesco.net> wrote:

> Sadly, the wanker quota on UKGSer is higher than UKRM and I think that
> is due to the ease of access.

There's a witty rejoinder to be made here, but I'm not sure if I am
capable of making it.

[YTC#1]

On 20/02/2022 15:52, ChrisND @UKRM wrote:
> On 20/02/2022 15:42, Stephen Packer wrote:
>> On Saturday, 19 February 2022 at 15:08:50 UTC, Colin Irvine wrote:
>>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 13:30:53 +0000, Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 19:38:42 -0000 (UTC), geoffC <m...@home.nl> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 18/02/2022 18:51, petrolcan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/uk.rec.motorcycles/c/yF6-jV6TrVs/m/sf7JRCp8Y0IJ
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Very good stuff :-)
>>>>
>>>> That took me right back
>>> And me.
>>
>> I was absent at that time but recognised a lot of the names.
>>
>> Quite shocking that it was 2004.  I mean, where's my fucking life gone?
>>
>> I'm not sure that there's been anything to replace the social

<snip>

d
>> sentimental and harking
>> back to better days when we had kb instead of gb.
>
> And as for those that insist on using 'Whatsapp' "because its so much
> safer than facebook messenger" - which they won't go near!
> FFS
>

:-)
Not been bothered by removing WA. Got familly and some friends on to
Signal and Telegram.

For everyone else I resort to good old SMS.

[YTC#1]

On 20/02/2022 16:42, wessie wrote:

> Stephen Packer <stephen...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:72c6e5dd-655b-45aa...@googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Saturday, 19 February 2022 at 15:08:50 UTC, Colin Irvine wrote:
>>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 13:30:53 +0000, Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 19:38:42 -0000 (UTC), geoffC <m...@home.nl>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 18/02/2022 18:51, petrolcan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/uk.rec.motorcycles/c/yF6-
> jV6TrVs/m/sf7J
>>>>>> RCp8Y0IJ
>>>>
>>>>> Very good stuff :-)
>>>>
>>>> That took me right back
>>> And me.
>>
>> I was absent at that time but recognised a lot of the names.
>>
>> Quite shocking that it was 2004. I mean, where's my fucking life
>> gone?
>>
>> I'm not sure that there's been anything to replace the social
>> 'contact' that was enabled by usenet around the turn of the century.

>> <snip>

>
> Sadly, the wanker quota on UKGSer is higher than UKRM and I think that

Always has been, IMO.

Found most Adv type groups that way, however the Pegaso forum has been
relativley wanker free.

[wessie]

YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in news:suu1ka$sqd$1...@dont-email.me:

>
>
> On 20/02/2022 16:42, wessie wrote:
>> Sadly, the wanker quota on UKGSer is higher than UKRM and I think
>> that
> Always has been, IMO.
>
> Found most Adv type groups that way,
>

Yeah, Bonwick is currently seeking advice about a new conservatory roof and
previously a canopy for his new redneck pick-up.

[Mark Olson]

Speaking of Blasts from the Past, I just had an exchange with Andy
the Pugh on Hackaday, of all places. And he mentioned his FJ1100 in
a comment about a Daft Injury from a piece of metal shrapnel that
embedded itself in his gut.

https://hackaday.com/2022/02/07/as-light-as-plastic-as-strong-as-steel/

[ouch]

[Champ]

On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 11:54:08 -0800 (PST), WUN <nigel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 5:51:11 PM UTC, petrolcan wrote:
>
>> https://groups.google.com/g/uk.rec.motorcycles/c/yF6-jV6TrVs/m/sf7JRCp8Y0IJ

>That was a pleasant few minutes, wallowing in nostalgia.

+1

[Turby]

On 2/20/2022 8:53 AM, ChrisND @UKRM wrote:
> On 20/02/2022 16:42, wessie wrote:
>>
> crowd of keyboard recluses spouting in-jokes and trying to chat up the
> one of the few women that frequents the forum.

Women? There are women on UKRM?

[wessie]

Turby <xs...@xmail.com> wrote in news:suuc6d$jec$1...@dont-email.me:

> On 2/20/2022 8:53 AM, ChrisND @UKRM wrote:
>> On 20/02/2022 16:42, wessie wrote:
>>>
>> crowd of keyboard recluses spouting in-jokes and trying to chat up the
>> one of the few women that frequents the forum.
>
> Women? There are women on UKRM?
>
>

No.

Woman.

[Turby]

Oh, yes!

[Boots]

On 21/02/2022 02:31 YTC#1 penned these words:

> On 20/02/2022 15:52, ChrisND @UKRM wrote:

>>
>> And as for those that insist on using 'Whatsapp' "because its so much
>> safer than facebook messenger" - which they won't go near!
>> FFS
>>
> :-)
> Not been bothered by removing WA. Got familly and some friends on to
> Signal and Telegram.

Much as I'd like to ditch WA there's way too many contacts on it including my banks

> For everyone else I resort to good old SMS.

Blimey, the only thing SMS gets used for is 2FA these days.



--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

[ChrisND @UKRM]

On 21/02/2022 00:08, Boots wrote:
> On 21/02/2022 02:31 YTC#1 penned these words:
>> On 20/02/2022 15:52, ChrisND @UKRM wrote:
>
>>>
>>> And as for those that insist on using 'Whatsapp' "because its so much
>>> safer than facebook messenger" - which they won't go near!
>>> FFS
>>>
>> :-)
>> Not been bothered by removing WA. Got familly and some friends on to
>> Signal and Telegram.

Telegram is excellent and simple. Signal I know of but do not use but I
gather that is also excellent & simple.

> Much as I'd like to ditch WA there's way too many contacts on it including my banks

Banks? I find that scary. Whatsapp is social media. The clue is in the
name surely? Its not for business (IMHO obvs)

>> For everyone else I resort to good old SMS.
>
> Blimey, the only thing SMS gets used for is 2FA these days.

I always tell people that if they want to contact me urgently (or 'out
of hours') then a phone call or text will get through whereas anything
else may not because I frequently turn off phone data at night to avoid
being disturbed by trivia.

[ChrisND @UKRM]

Yup, I got that :-)

[YTC#1]

On 21/02/2022 00:08, Boots wrote:

> On 21/02/2022 02:31 YTC#1 penned these words:
>> On 20/02/2022 15:52, ChrisND @UKRM wrote:
>
>>>
>>> And as for those that insist on using 'Whatsapp' "because its so much
>>> safer than facebook messenger" - which they won't go near!
>>> FFS
>>>
>> :-)
>> Not been bothered by removing WA. Got familly and some friends on to
>> Signal and Telegram.
>
> Much as I'd like to ditch WA there's way too many contacts on it including my banks

You know there are other ways of contacting banks, don't you?

>
>> For everyone else I resort to good old SMS.
>
> Blimey, the only thing SMS gets used for is 2FA these days.
>
>

It is their choice for not adding "just another" app.

[YTC#1]

On 21/02/2022 10:05, ChrisND @UKRM wrote:
> On 21/02/2022 00:08, Boots wrote:
>> On 21/02/2022 02:31 YTC#1 penned these words:
>>> On 20/02/2022 15:52, ChrisND @UKRM wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> And as for those that insist on using 'Whatsapp' "because its so much
>>>> safer than facebook messenger" - which they won't go near!
>>>> FFS
>>>>
>>> :-)
>>> Not been bothered by removing WA. Got familly and some friends on to
>>> Signal and Telegram.
>
> Telegram is excellent and simple.  Signal I know of but do not use but I
> gather that is also excellent & simple.

Signal is, I am assured, more secure/private.
Telegram IIRC does not implement end-to-end encrytion correctly.

But if it is good enough for ISIS is it good enough for me.

>
>> Much as I'd like to ditch WA there's way too many contacts on it
>> including my banks
>
> Banks?  I find that scary. Whatsapp is social media. The clue is in the
> name surely?  Its not for business (IMHO obvs)

Yeah, worried me as well. But he is in furrin places and they probably
care less.

>
>>> For everyone else I resort to good old SMS.
>>
>> Blimey, the only thing SMS gets used for is 2FA these days.
>
> I always tell people that if they want to contact me urgently (or 'out
> of hours') then a phone call or text will get through whereas anything
> else may not because I frequently turn off phone data at night to avoid
> being disturbed by trivia.

Due to shite mobile signal in house, messanging services are usually
better. However new phone has wireless calling enabled, so I presume
that works for SMS.

As to nghttime use, I just put on "do not disturb" with selected
(family) overrides.

[YTC#1]

I'm trying to get to grip with Bonwick asking for advice, and not giving it.

[wessie]

"ChrisND @UKRM" <chr...@privacy.net> wrote in

news:j7h6fd...@mid.individual.net:

> On 21/02/2022 00:08, Boots wrote:
>>
>> Much as I'd like to ditch WA there's way too many contacts on it
>> including my banks
>
> Banks? I find that scary. Whatsapp is social media. The clue is in
> the name surely? Its not for business (IMHO obvs)
>

we use Whatsapp at work

my work Android phone only has apps installed that are approved for use in
local government. I work in Children's Services and I can use Whatsapp to
communicate with colleagues, parents and children. During the various
lockdowns it was a critical tool for keeping in touch with vulnerable
people where face to face was not possible.

[wessie]

YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in news:suvps2$nuc$2...@dont-email.me:

>
>
> On 20/02/2022 19:01, wessie wrote:
>> YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in
>> news:suu1ka$sqd$1...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20/02/2022 16:42, wessie wrote:
>>>> Sadly, the wanker quota on UKGSer is higher than UKRM and I think
>>>> that
>>> Always has been, IMO.
>>>
>>> Found most Adv type groups that way,
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, Bonwick is currently seeking advice about a new conservatory
>> roof and previously a canopy for his new redneck pick-up.
>
> I'm trying to get to grip with Bonwick asking for advice, and not
> giving it.
>

he's morphed into a pipe & slippers, grandfather type with a BMW R-GS
motorcycle, a motorhome, a pick-up, a puppy and a suburban house in a
Lancashire commuter town. He's not unique amongst the more vocal UKRMers of
the past.

[Stephen Packer]

On Monday, 21 February 2022 at 10:33:14 UTC, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 21/02/2022 10:05, ChrisND @UKRM wrote:
> > On 21/02/2022 00:08, Boots wrote:
> >> Much as I'd like to ditch WA there's way too many contacts on it
> >> including my banks
> >
> > Banks? I find that scary. Whatsapp is social media. The clue is in the
> > name surely? Its not for business (IMHO obvs)
> Yeah, worried me as well. But he is in furrin places and they probably
> care less.

Frankly if my bank was using Whatsapp rather than SMS to send me
'codes' to enable transactions I've setup on another channel,or to
send me 'we've just seen a transaction for £37.50 to account ending
0014' or 'we've just received a payment of £32.75' I would not
have any concerns.

My bank's messages (albeit sent via SMS) don't disclose my full
account number, name or anything apart from occasional and partial payment
/deposit details. It would (in principle) allow a hacker to know who I bank
with but I think that's all. Much less information than I give away if i
write a cheque or sign up a DD with someone.

I think that's safe enough.

> >
> >>> For everyone else I resort to good old SMS.
> >>
> >> Blimey, the only thing SMS gets used for is 2FA these days.
> >
> > I always tell people that if they want to contact me urgently (or 'out
> > of hours') then a phone call or text will get through whereas anything
> > else may not because I frequently turn off phone data at night to avoid
> > being disturbed by trivia.
> Due to shite mobile signal in house, messanging services are usually
> better. However new phone has wireless calling enabled, so I presume
> that works for SMS.

Not always, depends on the network and whether the integration to the
SMSC was made. I know they are coming on line but at first the
priority was for calls.

[Stephen Packer]

On Monday, 21 February 2022 at 11:00:43 UTC, wessie wrote:

> he's morphed into a pipe & slippers, grandfather type with a BMW R-GS
> motorcycle, a motorhome, a pick-up, a puppy and a suburban house in a
> Lancashire commuter town. He's not unique amongst the more vocal UKRMers of
> the past.

'Get Old or Die Trying'

[ChrisND @UKRM]

Yes, I can see the value in that instance.

[Champ]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 10:05:33 +0000, "ChrisND @UKRM"
<chr...@privacy.net> wrote:

>> Much as I'd like to ditch WA there's way too many contacts on it including my banks

>Banks? I find that scary. Whatsapp is social media. The clue is in the
>name surely?

I'm similarly cynical about WhatsApp (owned, as it is, by
Faceb^h^h^h^h^h Meta), but I can't work out how the name "WhatsApp"
says "social media" to you?

[Andy Burns]

ChrisND @UKRM wrote:

> I can use Whatsapp to communicate with colleagues, parents and children.
> During the various lockdowns it was a critical tool for keeping in touch with
> vulnerable people where face to face was not possible.

But if it never existed, you'd presumably have found something else, AFAIK
WhatsApp requires the user to have a mobile?

[YTC#1]

On 21/02/2022 12:17, Stephen Packer wrote:
> On Monday, 21 February 2022 at 10:33:14 UTC, YTC#1 wrote:
>> On 21/02/2022 10:05, ChrisND @UKRM wrote:
>>> On 21/02/2022 00:08, Boots wrote:
>>>> Much as I'd like to ditch WA there's way too many contacts on it
>>>> including my banks
>>>
>>> Banks? I find that scary. Whatsapp is social media. The clue is in the
>>> name surely? Its not for business (IMHO obvs)
>> Yeah, worried me as well. But he is in furrin places and they probably
>> care less.
>
> Frankly if my bank was using Whatsapp rather than SMS to send me
> 'codes' to enable transactions I've setup on another channel,or to
> send me 'we've just seen a transaction for £37.50 to account ending
> 0014' or 'we've just received a payment of £32.75' I would not
> have any concerns.
>
> My bank's messages (albeit sent via SMS) don't disclose my full
> account number, name or anything apart from occasional and partial payment
> /deposit details. It would (in principle) allow a hacker to know who I bank
> with but I think that's all. Much less information than I give away if i
> write a cheque or sign up a DD with someone.

Always amused me that, people just never seemed to realise that their
account details were on every check:-)

<snip>

>> Due to shite mobile signal in house, messanging services are usually
>> better. However new phone has wireless calling enabled, so I presume
>> that works for SMS.
>
> Not always, depends on the network and whether the integration to the
> SMSC was made. I know they are coming on line but at first the
> priority was for calls.

Vodafone. So, all bets off :-)

[YTC#1]

On 21/02/2022 10:53, wessie wrote:

Widely used in the NHS as well. But they seem to love being tied into
major corps.

[Ben Blaney]

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 6:00:43 AM UTC-5, wessie wrote:
<Bonwick>

> he's morphed into a pipe & slippers, grandfather type with a BMW R-GS
> motorcycle, a motorhome, a pick-up, a puppy and a suburban house in a
> Lancashire commuter town.

I kinda feel like we should stage an intervention and save the poor bastard.

[ChrisND @UKRM]

No, wasn't me.
That bit was wessie

[ChrisND @UKRM]

On 21/02/2022 14:21, YTC#1 wrote:
>
>
> On 21/02/2022 10:53, wessie wrote:
>> "ChrisND @UKRM" <chr...@privacy.net> wrote in
>> news:j7h6fd...@mid.individual.net:
>>
>>> On 21/02/2022 00:08, Boots wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Much as I'd like to ditch WA there's way too many contacts on it
>>>> including my banks
>>>
>>> Banks?  I find that scary. Whatsapp is social media. The clue is in
>>> the name surely?  Its not for business (IMHO obvs)
>>>
>>
>> we use Whatsapp at work
>>
>> my work Android phone only has apps installed that are approved for
>> use in
>> local government. I work in Children's Services and I can use Whatsapp to
>> communicate with colleagues, parents and children. During the various
>> lockdowns it was a critical tool for keeping in touch with vulnerable
>> people where face to face was not possible.
>>
>
> Widely used in the NHS as well. But they seem to love being tied into
> major corps.
>

But not corpse?

[Andy Burns]

ChrisND @UKRM wrote:

> No, wasn't me.
> That bit was wessie

I did look at it and think it was he was did child services stuff ... ho hum.

[wessie]

Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk> wrote in
news:j7hkat...@mid.individual.net:

yes it requires a mobile but does not require a SIM with any credit.

I can buy a vulnerable person a cheap phone to use to keep in touch with me
without needing to fund a SIM. They can use free wifi to access Whatsapp
using text or video as required.

Many of the young people I work with have a learning disability and are
unable to communicate using a phone or the apps on it. Of course we use
other ways to stay in touch, including face to face during the Covid
lockdowns. Same applies to children living in risky homes, colleagues would
make face to face visits to check safety. Nobody was banging saucepans to
praise social workers for carrying on with little regard for their own
safety, with zero or minimal PPE.

[CT]

Champ wrote:

> I'm similarly cynical about WhatsApp (owned, as it is, by
> Faceb^h^h^h^h^h Meta), but I can't work out how the name "WhatsApp"
> says "social media" to you?

I've always assumed that WhatsApp is word-play on "What's up?" or
"Wassup?"[1] but as it's an app...

[1] In the Queen's English: "Hello, my good fellow, how are you?"

--
Chris

[Stephen Packer]

I think he's as happy as most tbh.

[YTC#1]

Still waiting for the housewarming party :-)

[wessie]

YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in news:sv0nb0$pvu$1...@dont-email.me:

>
>
>
> On 21/02/2022 11:00, wessie wrote:
>> YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in
>> news:suvps2$nuc$2...@dont-email.me:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20/02/2022 19:01, wessie wrote:
>>>> YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in
>>>> news:suu1ka$sqd$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 20/02/2022 16:42, wessie wrote:
>>>>>> Sadly, the wanker quota on UKGSer is higher than UKRM and I think
>>>>>> that
>>>>> Always has been, IMO.
>>>>>
>>>>> Found most Adv type groups that way,
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, Bonwick is currently seeking advice about a new conservatory
>>>> roof and previously a canopy for his new redneck pick-up.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to get to grip with Bonwick asking for advice, and not
>>> giving it.
>>>
>>
>> he's morphed into a pipe & slippers, grandfather type with a BMW R-GS
>> motorcycle, a motorhome, a pick-up, a puppy and a suburban house in a
>> Lancashire commuter town. He's not unique amongst the more vocal
>> UKRMers of the past.
>
> Still waiting for the housewarming party :-)
>

there have been some extenuating circumstances so be patient ...

[Boots]

On 21/02/2022 18:05 ChrisND @UKRM penned these words:

> On 21/02/2022 00:08, Boots wrote:
>
>> Much as I'd like to ditch WA there's way too many contacts on it including my banks
>
> Banks? I find that scary. Whatsapp is social media. The clue is in the
> name surely? Its not for business (IMHO obvs)

They do have business accounts. Just recalled it is not just the banks here both
CIMB and HSBC, it is also my accountant in the UK same reasons E2E encryption

>
>>> For everyone else I resort to good old SMS.
>>
>> Blimey, the only thing SMS gets used for is 2FA these days.
>

[Ace]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 18:00:31 -0000 (UTC), "CT" <m...@christrollen.co.uk>
wrote:

>Champ wrote:

>On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 10:05:33 +0000, "ChrisND @UKRM"
<chr...@privacy.net> wrote:

>> Whatsapp is social media. The clue is in the name surely?

>> I'm similarly cynical about WhatsApp (owned, as it is, by
>> Faceb^h^h^h^h^h Meta), but I can't work out how the name "WhatsApp"
>> says "social media" to you?
>
>I've always assumed that WhatsApp is word-play on "What's up?" or
>"Wassup?"[1] but as it's an app...

I think the derivations is clear, but neither the name nor the
functionality are really what I'd think of as Social Media. Sure, you
can put together large groups for group chats, but it's fundamentally
a messaging app, nothing more.

--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

[ChrisND @UKRM]

On 21/02/2022 12:55, Champ wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 10:05:33 +0000, "ChrisND @UKRM"
> <chr...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>> Much as I'd like to ditch WA there's way too many contacts on it including my banks
>
>> Banks? I find that scary. Whatsapp is social media. The clue is in the
>> name surely?
>
> I'm similarly cynical about WhatsApp (owned, as it is, by
> Faceb^h^h^h^h^h Meta), but I can't work out how the name "WhatsApp"
> says "social media" to you?

A slight crossing of wires I think?
Its wasn't the 'Whatsapp' name so much as the fact that when talking
about 'Social Media' people seem to include the 'whatsapp' app as part
of the discussion.
I admit to a little ambiguity/laziness in my statement <G>

[ChrisND @UKRM]

On 22/02/2022 00:13, Boots wrote:
> On 21/02/2022 18:05 ChrisND @UKRM penned these words:
>> On 21/02/2022 00:08, Boots wrote:
>>
>>> Much as I'd like to ditch WA there's way too many contacts on it including my banks
>>
>> Banks? I find that scary. Whatsapp is social media. The clue is in the
>> name surely? Its not for business (IMHO obvs)
>
> They do have business accounts. Just recalled it is not just the banks here both
> CIMB and HSBC, it is also my accountant in the UK same reasons E2E encryption

Wow! I admit to being 'not-up-to-date' on the latest incarnations of a
lot of this stuff which I would have been totally on top of in my former
professional life. So, my impressions of some stuff may well be
questionable - or even wrong. However, superficial examination suggests
that business use is 'safer' than I thought, and individual p2p use is
ok too but it is groups where it all gets a bit leaky :-)

Having removed the thing on first appearance a few years (and phones)
ago because I found it scary just how much the thing was delving into my
photos, contacts and our private lives, I have not felt the need to
revisit it. That was until a (real, non-virtual, social) group I am a
member of started to use it as an 'alternative' to the email, facebook
messenger and text groups we already have.

It was (and remains) beyond me why anyone would add yet another means of
communication to the mix when they already lack the brain cells to be
able to differentiate between a 'reply' and a 'reply all' using the
media they have, FFS!

Oops, turned into a bit of a rant...
Its nice and sunny outside...

[wessie]

Ace <A...@ch.com> wrote in news:33691hleknv1tvkltc98mln6nk5s6v3r7s@
4ax.com:

they jury is out on whether Whatsapp falls into the category of social
media

it can certainly be used to share content and was very much used that
way by kids before Snapchat and Tiktok came about.

As I have mentioned above, Whatsapp can be used to share video, pictures
and messages without any credit on a PAYG phone by poncing free wifi
from Costa etc. For a short while, it was the social medium of youth
culture until those apps with more functionality took over. Hence why MZ
coughed up so much cash for it.

[CT]

YTC#1 wrote:

> Still waiting for the housewarming party :-)

If the dog continues the way it has been, there won't be much of a
house left to warm soon!

--
Chris

[Champ]

On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 10:13:59 +0000, "ChrisND @UKRM"

<chr...@privacy.net> wrote:

>On 21/02/2022 12:55, Champ wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 10:05:33 +0000, "ChrisND @UKRM"
>> <chr...@privacy.net> wrote:

>>>> Much as I'd like to ditch WA there's way too many contacts on it including my banks

>>> Banks? I find that scary. Whatsapp is social media. The clue is in the
>>> name surely?

>> I'm similarly cynical about WhatsApp (owned, as it is, by
>> Faceb^h^h^h^h^h Meta), but I can't work out how the name "WhatsApp"
>> says "social media" to you?

>A slight crossing of wires I think?

Mebbe

>Its wasn't the 'Whatsapp' name so much

Wasn't it? You actually typed "The clue is in the name"!

>as the fact that when talking
>about 'Social Media' people seem to include the 'whatsapp' app as part
>of the discussion.

If you'd just suggest that WhatsApp falls within the class "social
media", I doubt I'd have disagreed. But because you specifically said
that the name WhatsApp strongly implied social media, which I didn't
(and still don't) see, I asked how so

Turns out you don't have an answer. Which is fine. Apologise and
move on.

>I admit to a little ambiguity/laziness in my statement <G>

I'll say!

[Champ]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 18:57:35 +0000, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
wrote:

>Still waiting for the housewarming party :-)

It was great!

Oh.

Sorry

Weren't you invited?

[YTC#1]

They've alwasy got the van

[YTC#1]

On 22/02/2022 14:47, Champ wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 18:57:35 +0000, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Still waiting for the housewarming party :-)
>
> It was great!
>
> Oh.
>
> Sorry
>
> Weren't you invited?

:-P

[ChrisND @UKRM]

On 22/02/2022 14:46, Champ wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 10:13:59 +0000, "ChrisND @UKRM"
> <chr...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> On 21/02/2022 12:55, Champ wrote:
>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 10:05:33 +0000, "ChrisND @UKRM"
>>> <chr...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>>>> Much as I'd like to ditch WA there's way too many contacts on it including my banks
>
>>>> Banks? I find that scary. Whatsapp is social media. The clue is in the
>>>> name surely?
>

> If you'd just suggest that WhatsApp falls within the class "social
> media", I doubt I'd have disagreed.

That was indeed my intention...

> Turns out you don't have an answer. Which is fine. Apologise and
> move on.

I don't have a problem with that,
I apologise that I didn't make this clear enough in my original post.

[Eddie]

On 22/02/2022 15:26, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 22/02/2022 14:47, Champ wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 18:57:35 +0000, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Still waiting for the housewarming party :-)
>>
>> It was great!
>>
>> Oh.
>>
>> Sorry
>>
>> Weren't you invited?
>
> :-P

We invited ourselves for my birthday party :-D

--
Eddie ed...@deguello.org

[Eddie]

On 22/02/2022 14:02, CT wrote:

That's if Andy doesn't find a big sack and some bricks first.

--
Eddie ed...@deguello.org

[wessie]

Eddie <ed...@deguello.org> wrote in news:j7khp4...@mid.individual.net:

> On 22/02/2022 14:02, CT wrote:
>> YTC#1 wrote:
>>
>>> Still waiting for the housewarming party :-)
>>
>> If the dog continues the way it has been, there won't be much of a
>> house left to warm soon!
>
> That's if Andy doesn't find a big sack and some bricks first.
>

he calls it Pissy Feet in the other place. I'm not sure Adie reads his
posts...

[ogden]

Eddie wrote:
> YTC#1 wrote:

> > Champ wrote:
> >> YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Still waiting for the housewarming party :-)
> >>

> >> Weren't you invited?

>
> We invited ourselves for my birthday party :-D

Who waits to be asked?

[Boots]

On 22/02/2022 18:26 ChrisND @UKRM penned these words:

> On 22/02/2022 00:13, Boots wrote:
>> On 21/02/2022 18:05 ChrisND @UKRM penned these words:
>>

>> CIMB and HSBC, it is also my accountant in the UK same reasons E2E encryption
>

> it is groups where it all gets a bit leaky :-)

Albeit that is a failure of the participants rather than the medium

> It was (and remains) beyond me why anyone would add yet another means of
> communication to the mix when they already lack the brain cells to be
> able to differentiate between

People :(

I tend to use the groups primarily for family and subsets of, i.e my kids, her
kids, local family and then hiking and hiking groups I am in. We plan and
organise our weekly hikes, add it to the group and those who want to add their
names to the attendee list by copy n paste modified, for our small numbers it
works well. Similar for the bike trips, albeit the plague put an end to those
one is on the horizon for October, depends on borders and getting the self
loading luggage fitter <fingers crossed>.

[Eddie]

He calls it much worse than that in person.

--
Eddie ed...@deguello.org

[Mike Fleming]

On 22/02/2022 10:26, ChrisND @UKRM wrote:
>
> It was (and remains) beyond me why anyone would add yet another means of
> communication to the mix when they already lack the brain cells to be
> able to differentiate between a 'reply' and a 'reply all' using the
> media they have, FFS!

Two of the three bands I'm in have gravitated to WhatsApp - one band was
already using it when I joined, the other used WhatsApp and FB Messenger
and a bit of email and finally we finished up with WhatsApp, partly
because we were sending photos and so on to the rest of the band. The
third band, I just talk to the occupant of the other end of the settee.

A band I have recently parted company with used email - it was a
three-piece, the band leader would email the drummer and me separately
so it all finished up as email ping-pang-pong. Seemed daft to me.

[Champ]

On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 00:16:24 +0000, Mike Fleming <mi...@tauzero.co.uk>
wrote:

>Two of the three bands I'm in have gravitated to WhatsApp - one band was
>already using it when I joined, the other used WhatsApp and FB Messenger
>and a bit of email and finally we finished up with WhatsApp, partly
>because we were sending photos and so on to the rest of the band. The
>third band, I just talk to the occupant of the other end of the settee.
>
>A band I have recently parted company with used email - it was a
>three-piece, the band leader would email the drummer and me separately
>so it all finished up as email ping-pang-pong. Seemed daft to me.

<face palm>

Was he not aware of email distribution lists?

[Mark Olson]

Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 00:16:24 +0000, Mike Fleming <mi...@tauzero.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>Two of the three bands I'm in have gravitated to WhatsApp - one band was
>>already using it when I joined, the other used WhatsApp and FB Messenger
>>and a bit of email and finally we finished up with WhatsApp, partly
>>because we were sending photos and so on to the rest of the band. The
>>third band, I just talk to the occupant of the other end of the settee.
>>
>>A band I have recently parted company with used email - it was a
>>three-piece, the band leader would email the drummer and me separately
>>so it all finished up as email ping-pang-pong. Seemed daft to me.
>
> <face palm>
>
> Was he not aware of email distribution lists?

Or more to the point, was he not aware he can address an email to
more than one recipient, and that 'reply all' exists?

--
FJR1300A, GL1000, KLR650A6F, EX250J9A, DR200SE, Vespa Ciao

[Peter Fisher]

Even the local VMCC section have mastered that - plus a Whatsapp group.

[ChrisND @UKRM]

Exactly! People should not be allowed anything like whatsapp, or
whatever, until a basic understanding of how to communicate has been
learned.

In another place, I look after a mailing list with about 40 subscribers.
Despite warnings about not doing a 'me too' to the whole group when
discussing (eg) a booking, the difference between reply and reply all
has totally whooshed them. This really pi$$es some other people off -
who inevitably complain to me, not the perpetrator. Under some
circumstances this can cause a weird loop until the maximum message size
is reached and I get bounce notifications out my ears. Even changing
the default reply mode to only go to the originator has not solved this
for some people's default mailers.

So, I have now put the complainers onto a digest mode to only get a max
of one email per day.<G> To complement this I have put the most frequent
perpetrators into moderation. Let's see how they get round that!

"Not to be operated by fuckwits"* should be on the first page of the
internet :-)

Chris
* I'm not perfect or 'all knowing' - but I have been around since NASA
had 1234 as their password[1]
[1] That's not a joke [2]
[2] I hope it is not still the case - particularly today....

[YTC#1]

Who then reply (all) with
"please remove me from this alias"

Brings back happy memories of email storms at Sun :-)

[Mike Fleming]

On 24/02/2022 12:40, Champ wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 00:16:24 +0000, Mike Fleming <mi...@tauzero.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Two of the three bands I'm in have gravitated to WhatsApp - one band was
>> already using it when I joined, the other used WhatsApp and FB Messenger
>> and a bit of email and finally we finished up with WhatsApp, partly
>> because we were sending photos and so on to the rest of the band. The
>> third band, I just talk to the occupant of the other end of the settee.
>>
>> A band I have recently parted company with used email - it was a
>> three-piece, the band leader would email the drummer and me separately
>> so it all finished up as email ping-pang-pong. Seemed daft to me.
>
> <face palm>
>
> Was he not aware of email distribution lists?

With just three of us, Cc: wouldn't exactly have been onerous, and he
also used FB Messenger so that was another possible route. Dunno.

[Stephen Packer]

On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 17:08:31 UTC, YTC#1 wrote:

> Brings back happy memories of email storms at Sun :-)

Years ago at Vodafone the marketing department started sending emails
to 'all' about upcoming television adverts. One of them talked about a 30
second segment. For some reason rather than 30s they used 30" (which I
guess is sort of correct for a different type of second).

One of the Engineers I worked with thought it would be funny to reply to
the marketeers that on a good day he struggled to get 6" so he thought it
was probably bragging and did not believe they could present 10" let alone
30".

Sadly he replied to all... including the CEO, or in those days Managing Director.

He got told off severely by his departmental head; I sat close to the Technical
Director's office and heard the department head being bawled out about it.

Still, it didn't stop him being employed because there was a shortage of
experienced engineers so they just had to grin and bear it.

[YTC#1]

On 24/02/2022 20:08, Stephen Packer wrote:
> On Thursday, 24 February 2022 at 17:08:31 UTC, YTC#1 wrote:
>
>> Brings back happy memories of email storms at Sun :-)
>
>
> Years ago at Vodafone the marketing department started sending emails

<snip>

>
> Sadly he replied to all... including the CEO, or in those days Managing Director.
>
> He got told off severely by his departmental head; I sat close to the Technical
> Director's office and heard the department head being bawled out about it.
>
> Still, it didn't stop him being employed because there was a shortage of
> experienced engineers so they just had to grin and bear it.

A career limiting moment :-)
I may have been close to that a cuple of times. Fortunately I kept it to
the UK and not any global aliases.

[YTC#1]

Was he the bass player?

[Mark Olson]

It's really something when there's a mass email to an entire division
and the hard-of-thinking get busy contributing to the inevitable
reply-all email storm.

Honestly, I think people doing a reply-all of "PLEASE STOP REPLYING
TO ALL!!"[1] or "How do I get off this list?" and variations on that
theme, in a business environment, should be immediately fired for
gross incompetence.

[1] Or for using all caps and multiple exclamation points, as good
a reason as any[2].
[2] Any use of Comic Sans in the business environment should also be
grounds for immediate termination.

[Eddie]

On 24/02/2022 21:23, YTC#1 wrote:
>
>
> On 24/02/2022 17:29, Mike Fleming wrote:
>> On 24/02/2022 12:40, Champ wrote:
>>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 00:16:24 +0000, Mike Fleming <mi...@tauzero.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A band I have recently parted company with used email - it was a
>>>> three-piece, the band leader would email the drummer and me separately
>>>> so it all finished up as email ping-pang-pong. Seemed daft to me.
>>>
>>> <face palm>
>>>
>>> Was he not aware of email distribution lists?
>>
>> With just three of us, Cc: wouldn't exactly have been onerous, and he
>> also used FB Messenger so that was another possible route. Dunno.
>
> Was he the bass player?

No, I suspect that would be Mike.

Also, the bass player is usually the clever one.

--
Eddie ed...@deguello.org

[Bruce Horrocks]

On 24/02/2022 14:57, Mark Olson wrote:

> Or more to the point, was he not aware he can address an email to
> more than one recipient, and that 'reply all' exists?

It's the people who don't realise there is any option /other/ than
reply-all that are the problem.

--
Bruce Horrocks
FJR1300AS

[Champ]

On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 21:23:00 +0000, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 24/02/2022 17:29, Mike Fleming wrote:
>> On 24/02/2022 12:40, Champ wrote:
>>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 00:16:24 +0000, Mike Fleming <mi...@tauzero.co.uk>
>>> wrote:

>>>> A band I have recently parted company with used email - it was a
>>>> three-piece, the band leader would email the drummer and me separately
>>>> so it all finished up as email ping-pang-pong. Seemed daft to me.

>>> <face palm>

>>> Was he not aware of email distribution lists?

>> With just three of us, Cc: wouldn't exactly have been onerous, and he
>> also used FB Messenger so that was another possible route. Dunno.

>Was he the bass player?

NAHAY? Mike is obviously the bass player

And the proper joke would have been "Was he the drummer?"

[YTC#1]

On 24/02/2022 22:16, Mark Olson wrote:
> YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 24/02/2022 15:34, ChrisND @UKRM wrote:
>
>>> In another place, I look after a mailing list with about 40 subscribers.
>>>  Despite warnings about not doing a 'me too' to the whole group when
>>> discussing (eg) a booking, the difference between reply and reply all
>>> has totally whooshed them. This really pi$$es some other people off -
>>
>> Who then reply (all) with
>> "please remove me from this alias"
>>
>> Brings back happy memories of email storms at Sun :-)
>
> It's really something when there's a mass email to an entire division
> and the hard-of-thinking get busy contributing to the inevitable
> reply-all email storm.
>
> Honestly, I think people doing a reply-all of "PLEASE STOP REPLYING
> TO ALL!!"[1] or "How do I get off this list?" and variations on that

Yep, there was always one :-)

Followed by the hint that it was something the individual had control
off, we could always remove ourselves via a easy to use web page.

[YTC#1]

On 25/02/2022 09:05, Champ wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 21:23:00 +0000, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On 24/02/2022 17:29, Mike Fleming wrote:
>>> On 24/02/2022 12:40, Champ wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 00:16:24 +0000, Mike Fleming <mi...@tauzero.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>
>>>>> A band I have recently parted company with used email - it was a
>>>>> three-piece, the band leader would email the drummer and me separately
>>>>> so it all finished up as email ping-pang-pong. Seemed daft to me.
>
>>>> <face palm>
>
>>>> Was he not aware of email distribution lists?
>
>>> With just three of us, Cc: wouldn't exactly have been onerous, and he
>>> also used FB Messenger so that was another possible route. Dunno.
>
>> Was he the bass player?
>
> NAHAY? Mike is obviously the bass player
>
> And the proper joke would have been "Was he the drummer?"

Hmm, maybe I was being too clever?

[ChrisND]

Yes, and i have certificates to prove it!
Chris

--
XV750SE & GS550T

[ChrisND]

On 25/02/2022 09:05, Champ wrote:
>On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 21:23:00 +0000, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>On 24/02/2022 17:29, Mike Fleming wrote:
>>> On 24/02/2022 12:40, Champ wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 00:16:24 +0000, Mike Fleming <mi...@tauzero.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>
>>>>> A band I have recently parted company with used email - it was a
>>>>> three-piece, the band leader would email the drummer and me separately
>>>>> so it all finished up as email ping-pang-pong. Seemed daft to me.
>
>>>> <face palm>
>
>>>> Was he not aware of email distribution lists?
>
>>> With just three of us, Cc: wouldn't exactly have been onerous, and he
>>> also used FB Messenger so that was another possible route. Dunno.
>
>>Was he the bass player?
>
>NAHAY? Mike is obviously the bass player
>
>And the proper joke would have been "Was he the drummer?"

:-)

--
XV750SE & GS550T

[wessie]

Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote in
news:qs6h1hlnf5vv1qmke...@4ax.com:

> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 21:23:00 +0000, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>On 24/02/2022 17:29, Mike Fleming wrote:
>>> On 24/02/2022 12:40, Champ wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 00:16:24 +0000, Mike Fleming
>>>> <mi...@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>>> A band I have recently parted company with used email - it was a
>>>>> three-piece, the band leader would email the drummer and me
>>>>> separately so it all finished up as email ping-pang-pong. Seemed
>>>>> daft to me.
>
>>>> <face palm>
>
>>>> Was he not aware of email distribution lists?
>
>>> With just three of us, Cc: wouldn't exactly have been onerous, and
>>> he also used FB Messenger so that was another possible route. Dunno.
>
>>Was he the bass player?
>
> NAHAY? Mike is obviously the bass player
>
> And the proper joke would have been "Was he the drummer?"

apart from it would not make sense in the context of

[Sqirrel99]

Champ wrote:
>> Was he the bass player?
>
> NAHAY? Mike is obviously the bass player
>
> And the proper joke would have been "Was he the drummer?"

"How do you know when a drummer is at your door?
He knocks three times then comes in late."
- Stolen from Mark Kermode.

[ogden]

On Friday, 18 February 2022 at 08:44:08 UTC, Eddie wrote:
> https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/feb/18/you-be-the-judge-should-my-husband-keep-his-motorbike-in-the-house
>
> Why is there no voting option for 'the bikes should be inside and the
> paperweight collection should be in the bin'?

I was of the view that the bloke was being the bellend last week, but didn't really have strong feelings about it.

This week's though, about the butter? Finally, a hill I'm prepared to die on.

[Ace]

On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:49:16 +0000, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>

wrote:

>
>
>On 25/02/2022 09:05, Champ wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 21:23:00 +0000, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>> Was he the bass player?
>>
>> NAHAY? Mike is obviously the bass player
>>
>> And the proper joke would have been "Was he the drummer?"
>
>Hmm, maybe I was being too clever?

Bwaahaahaahaa!

Funniest thing I've read all week.

--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

[Sqirrel99]

Scones and crumpets are 'posh' ?

[Mark Olson]

Drummer, noun.

1. Someone who likes to hang around with musicians.