Help please, if you can.

[Mick]

Hi again. It's been a few weeks and I've finally got an MOT on the CB500.
I had an test booked and a couple of evenings prior, I gave it a short
run on our bit of private road to see if I'd missed anything. Next
morning there were pools of oil under each fork leg. Oh dear. Cancel MOT.

Getting old fork seals out is a fifty/fifty thing, if you try it by the
(Haynes) book. One pretty much popped out, the other wouldn't move, but I
found a fun method on Youtube that worked, and soon enough it was all
back together and another test was booked. It passed with bits of advice
(not advisories) about things the guy thought I'd maybe missed. One I had
missed and one I noticed on the way to the test. Still, it passed.

I got straight on line and taxed the thing and went for a ride. At almost
exactly one mile, it spluttered to a halt. Odd, I thought, it was fine
earlier going to the test station. Spent a few seconds wondering what to
do, then tried the starter. It fired up on both pots so I hastily headed
back home. Near as damn it, fifty yards short of the front gate, it died
again. My first stop on my first ride was supposed to be the garage at
the top of the hill, but I never got there, so just in case it was a
simple case of the fuel in the tank being low, I grabbed my green can,
jumped in the van and bought a gallon. Well, five litres.

Topped up the tank and set off again, over the same road, with pretty
exactly the same result. Just on a mile I'm sat there wondering if it
will start.

After a while it did, and died a couple of hundred yards short of home.

So I'm certain it's fuel and my thoughts go to the crap that I couldn't
get out of the tank. Could it be that. Seems unlikely but I take the tank
off, put it on my workmate with a jar under the tap, turn it on, suck on
the vacuum tube, and petrol flows feely.

Right now, I'm slightly stumped. If it was carb problem, surely it
splutter along on one pot for a while at least. So before I go mad
pulling it all to pieces, is there anything I might have missed.

Incidentally, lifting the fuel cap to get round any breather/vacuum
problems didn't result a sharp intake of air.

--
Mick.

[Simon Wilson]

Yeah, it's never the fuel cap...

Sounds very much like fuel not flowing fast enough to me. Float bowl
fills up when engine is idling > give it some beans > fuel is used
faster than it's flowing in > bike conks out > wait a while > float
bowl fills up again.

Does the fuel tap have a prime position? Try that (should flow without
vacuum). Remove the tap and check the gauze filter for rust/debris fornm
inside the tank. Check all fuel and vacuum lines for kinks.

Take the float bowls off and check for build up of crud in there. I had
one bike that had sat for a long time and some jelly like stuff had
formed in the float bowls preventing them from filling properly.

--
/Simon

[Mick]

On Tue, 07 May 2019 21:20:32 +0100, Simon Wilson wrote:

> Sounds very much like fuel not flowing fast enough to me. Float bowl
> fills up when engine is idling > give it some beans > fuel is used
> faster than it's flowing in > bike conks out > wait a while > float
> bowl fills up again.

My thoughts exactly but no 'full beans'. It's a 30 limit and I don't know
the bike, pottering the whole mile.

> Does the fuel tap have a prime position? Try that (should flow without
> vacuum). Remove the tap and check the gauze filter for rust/debris fornm
> inside the tank. Check all fuel and vacuum lines for kinks.

No prime position. Flows freely when I suck the vacuum tube. Tap's brand
new. Some rust flakes left after I cleaned the tank but not enough to
coat that sort of (long thin) filter.

> Take the float bowls off and check for build up of crud in there. I had
> one bike that had sat for a long time and some jelly like stuff had
> formed in the float bowls preventing them from filling properly.

Should be no crud. Although the bike was sat for four years, I stripped
and cleaned the carbs and she has run perfectly since.

Everything you say is good advice but - apart from stripping the carbs
again - I've covered all of it. The way it stops tells me it has to be
fuel supply. I can't imagine both carbs giving up at identical moments so
it has to be a blockage between the bottom of the tap and the top of the
carbs.

It's very strange and I'm sure will turn out to be quite simple. Thanks
for your help.



--
Mick.

[Mark Olson]

Mick <mick....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Everything you say is good advice but - apart from stripping the carbs
> again - I've covered all of it. The way it stops tells me it has to be
> fuel supply. I can't imagine both carbs giving up at identical moments so
> it has to be a blockage between the bottom of the tap and the top of the
> carbs.
>
> It's very strange and I'm sure will turn out to be quite simple. Thanks
> for your help.

To me, both pots going off at the same time argues against it
being fuel related. When a bike runs dry on me, it usually goes off
gradually, not suddenly, and it's not uncommon for one pot to be
running strong than the other at the end.

I'd be looking very carefully at the vacuum line, and the fact that
the petcock's new (pattern part?) makes it suspect as well.

--
FJR1300A, GL1000, KLR650A6F, EX250J9A, Vespa Ciao

[Pipl]

On Tue, 07 May 2019 19:42:44 GMT, Mick <mick....@gmail.com> wrote:

>I got straight on line and taxed the thing and went for a ride. At almost
>exactly one mile, it spluttered to a halt. Odd, I thought, it was fine
>earlier going to the test station. Spent a few seconds wondering what to
>do, then tried the starter. It fired up on both pots so I hastily headed
>back home. Near as damn it, fifty yards short of the front gate, it died
>again. My first stop on my first ride was supposed to be the garage at
>the top of the hill, but I never got there, so just in case it was a
>simple case of the fuel in the tank being low, I grabbed my green can,
>jumped in the van and bought a gallon. Well, five litres.
>
>Topped up the tank and set off again, over the same road, with pretty
>exactly the same result. Just on a mile I'm sat there wondering if it
>will start.
>
>After a while it did, and died a couple of hundred yards short of home.
>
>So I'm certain it's fuel and my thoughts go to the crap that I couldn't
>get out of the tank. Could it be that. Seems unlikely but I take the tank
>off, put it on my workmate with a jar under the tap, turn it on, suck on
>the vacuum tube, and petrol flows feely.
>
>Right now, I'm slightly stumped. If it was carb problem, surely it
>splutter along on one pot for a while at least. So before I go mad
>pulling it all to pieces, is there anything I might have missed.

When you say "sputtered to a halt", do you mean faded, started
misfiring and / or running rough, or plain cut out?

What sort of ignition system? Does it have a common coil? How old is
the ignition lock? Side stand cutout?

--

-Pip

[Mick]

On Wed, 08 May 2019 20:17:18 +0100, Pipl wrote:

> When you say "sputtered to a halt", do you mean faded, started misfiring
> and / or running rough, or plain cut out?

At the time of writing that, it was just a figure of speech. Just hours
before I'd ridden to the test station and back with no issues, so the
first time it happened I was totally unprepared for it. I was like WTF
and more concerned about stopping safely and getting off the road. The
second time, I was half expecting it but the place of stoppage was even
more inconvenient (about fifty yards further along) so again no massive
input of info.

Having got it back home, I took the tank off and tested the flow of
petrol. The petcock is a brand new genuine Honda part which, given the
price, had better work perfectly. It did. I tested the vacuum side on
both res and normal on and gas flowed freely.

Removing the fuel line from the carbs is only possible with the carbs
off, so I checked as best as I could that it wasn't kinked and with the
tank back on, I went for a ride over the same distance. Not quite the
same result in that it didn't die completely but it coughed and
spluttered exactly as though it's about to run out of fuel.

My feeling is that the carb system is faulty and I have a feeling the
choke isn't working as it should, simply by the feel of the cable and the
reaction of the motor when the lever is moved.

So it's off with the carbs and have a look inside.

> What sort of ignition system? Does it have a common coil? How old is the
> ignition lock? Side stand cutout?

The bike is 22 years old so I guess that's the age of the ignition lock.
The side stand cut out and neutral switch are part of a lock out system.
Common wiring mostly. Neutral switch is new, the side stand switch has
been tested but if it fails the dash light doesn't work, and it does.

The bike has two coils, one for each pot.

I'm pretty sure that if it were electrical, it would be more random. This
'thing' happening at almost exactly one mile every time, does point at
fuel, so that's my first port of call.

--
Mick.

[Mick]

On Wed, 08 May 2019 01:28:11 +0000, Mark Olson wrote:

> I'd be looking very carefully at the vacuum line, and the fact that the
> petcock's new (pattern part?) makes it suspect as well.

No, it's a genuine Honda bit. Absolutely no issues with fuel flow, once
the vacuum has been activated (by mouth). The vacuum pipe, by the way, is
perfect. Used as part of the aforementioned mouth test.

99% sure it's a fuel issue so it's off with the carbs for a good look
inside.



--
Mick.

[Sqirrel99]

Mick wrote:
> I'm pretty sure that if it were electrical, it would be more random. This
> 'thing' happening at almost exactly one mile every time, does point at
> fuel, so that's my first port of call.

I once heard that "90% of electrical problems are fuel and 90% of fuel
problems are electrical".

[Mick]

On Thu, 09 May 2019 11:59:26 +0100, Sqirrel99 wrote:

> I once heard that "90% of electrical problems are fuel and 90% of
> fuel problems are electrical".

Probably right. Takes a lot of skill to analyse stuff right off the bat
but in this case, since I have to start somewhere, the fact that it
feels, to me, like fuel, means it's a good place to start looking.

When I first got the bike, it had a petrol tank full of rust and
carburettors slightly gummed up with 'stuff' I cleaned both to best of my
ability with the thought that if I liked the bike to ride, enough to
throw money at it, I'd get the carbs cleaned ultrasonicly (is that a word?
) and look for a clean tank. Running petrol from the tap into a container
shows no evidence of rust getting past the tank filter, so I'm looking at
a second carb strip and clean. The odds favour that direction, anyway.

--
Mick.

[Mark Olson]

We're all waiting on the proverbial tenterhooks here so get on with it.

[Mike Fleming]

In article <4eXAE.603086$yl5.2...@fx19.am4>, Mick

<mick....@gmail.com> writes:

> On Thu, 09 May 2019 11:59:26 +0100, Sqirrel99 wrote:
>
> > I once heard that "90% of electrical problems are fuel and 90% of
> > fuel problems are electrical".
>
> Probably right. Takes a lot of skill to analyse stuff right off the bat
> but in this case, since I have to start somewhere, the fact that it
> feels, to me, like fuel, means it's a good place to start looking.

I had a similar problem with the Tiger 900. It was actually the
reverse of fuel starvation - a sliver of gunk had found its way into
the float valve seat and jammed the valve open, which flooded that
carb. IIRC (it was 20 years ago), I worked out what it was when I got
fuel coming out of the air filter, so presumably it backed up enough
for fuel to start coming down the air inlets on the other carbs. I was
a few miles from home, and found that if I rode it until it started
spluttering and then turned the tap off (manual petcock only on the
steamer), it would keep running, then I just had to turn the tap back
on when it started spluttering again.

--
Mike Fleming
Coitum volantum non dono

[Pipl]

Ok, two coils makes a coil failure with heating less likely, and I
guess not points. I once had a condensor that worked perfectly until
the bike warmed up, then failed quite quickly. Cool the bike down, and
all was well... But this seems highly unlikely in your case.

How are the carb breather pipes? (Very) long shot but if the float
bowl air spaces are sealed then the fuel level is determined in part
by the trapped air, with hilarious results. Then again, it's a twin.
Um. Discount that one come to think of it. Just too unlikely that both
would be blocked.

Is there a carb drain screw - ideally connected to a hose that you can
point into a waste pan? if fuel flows fast right through either carb
and through the drain pipe then unless something really odd is
happening (like something intermittently blocking the fuel flow) then
it should flow fine.

Take a plug spanner with you - Honda twins used to have easily
accessible plugs. If it fails again, pulll in the clutch to stop the
engine pumping while dead and hot (which would contaminate the
reading), stop as soon as is safe and have a good look at the plugs.
Might give a clue. hard to read though unless something is wayyy
wrong.


--

-Pip

[Tosspot]

And a picture of the offending squirrel that's stuck in the float bowl.

[neil.r...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, 7 May 2019 20:42:46 UTC+1, Mick wrote:
<snipola>

> I got straight on line and taxed the thing and went for a ride. At almost
> exactly one mile, it spluttered to a halt. Odd, I thought, it was fine
> earlier going to the test station. Spent a few seconds wondering what to
> do, then tried the starter. It fired up on both pots so I hastily headed
> back home. Near as damn it, fifty yards short of the front gate, it died
> again. My first stop on my first ride was supposed to be the garage at

<snipola>

Just to throw something else into the pot - valve clearances. If they tighten up as the engine gets warm, it can cause it to run for a few minutes then splutter to a halt. Give it a couple of minutes for things to cool down again, and it'll start no problem.

--
nr.

[jeremy]

In article <1418cc9b-bcfe-4a01-a0e8-
172f44...@googlegroups.com>,
neil.r...@gmail.com says...

I'm sure someone here on ukrm did
have exactly this as the cause of
cutting out on their bike (maybe in
the last 12 months or so).


--
jeremy

[Krusty]

Mick wrote:

> On Thu, 09 May 2019 11:59:26 +0100, Sqirrel99 wrote:
>
> > I once heard that "90% of electrical problems are fuel and 90% of
> > fuel problems are electrical".
>
> Probably right. Takes a lot of skill to analyse stuff right off the
> bat but in this case, since I have to start somewhere, the fact that
> it feels, to me, like fuel, means it's a good place to start looking.

I'd start by just leaving it idling to see if it cuts out. If it does,
it points to something electrical getting hot & failing, like the
ignition pick-up.

--
Krusty

Raptor 1000 MV 750 Senna Fantic Hiro 250

[Boxerboy]

CBA to scroll back but has anybody suggested that the tank breather may be blocked so as petrol is used air cannot get in to replace it.

Boxerboy

[Krusty]

Boxerboy wrote:

> CBA to scroll back but has anybody suggested that the tank breather
> may be blocked so as petrol is used air cannot get in to replace it.

Yes, somebody did. Already ruled out.

[YTC#1]

On 10/05/2019 14:42, Boxerboy wrote:
> CBA to scroll back but has anybody suggested that the tank breather may be blocked so as petrol is used air cannot get in to replace it.
>

Worse still, I don't think any one has mentioned shit in the carbs yet!!
What is UKRM coming to ....



--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

[Mick]

On Fri, 10 May 2019 15:16:17 +0000, Krusty wrote:

> Boxerboy wrote:
>
>> CBA to scroll back but has anybody suggested that the tank breather may
>> be blocked so as petrol is used air cannot get in to replace it.
>
> Yes, somebody did. Already ruled out.

I did rule it out in a vague sort of way. I said there was no sharp
intake of air when the cap was listed, but a blocked breather is exactly
the problem. No sharp intake of air though.

I put the tank on a stand, container under the tap, turned on the tap and
sucked the life out of the vacuum pipe. Petrol flowed freely till about
half a litre was in the jug, then it petered out. Lift the cap, no sound
of rushing air, just a resumption of fuel flow.

No sure what to do next. Finding something thin enough and flexible
enough to shove up the pipe will be challenging. Next thing is to drain
the tank and study the offending pipe with my little flexi camera. Maybe
it's just covered in crap at the top.

Incidentally, two on Ebay, treated against rust and blah blah, both have
blocked breathers. Says 'easy fix' so why hasn't it been easily fixed.

576 Euros for brand new one. But that's just silly. ;-)

--
Mick.

[Mick]

On Fri, 10 May 2019 07:05:56 +0200, Tosspot wrote:

> And a picture of the offending squirrel that's stuck in the float bowl.

Are you always this optimistic? ;-)

--
Mick.

[Mick]

On Thu, 09 May 2019 16:32:39 +0000, Mark Olson wrote:

> We're all waiting on the proverbial tenterhooks here so get on with it.

On with it, well and truly got, Mr Mainwaring sir. Sorry Sir. ;-)

--
Mick.

[c...@mailserv.netunix.com]

Mick <mick....@gmail.com> wrote:
> I put the tank on a stand, container under the tap, turned on the tap and
> sucked the life out of the vacuum pipe. Petrol flowed freely till about
> half a litre was in the jug, then it petered out. Lift the cap, no sound
> of rushing air, just a resumption of fuel flow.
>
> No sure what to do next. Finding something thin enough and flexible
> enough to shove up the pipe will be challenging. Next thing is to drain
> the tank and study the offending pipe with my little flexi camera. Maybe
> it's just covered in crap at the top.

If all else fails the bodge is to drill a hole in the cap.

[Champ]

On Fri, 10 May 2019 00:38:58 -0700 (PDT), neil.r...@gmail.com
wrote:

>Just to throw something else into the pot - valve clearances. If they
>tighten up as the engine gets warm, it can cause it to run for a few
>minutes then splutter to a halt. Give it a couple of minutes for things
>to cool down again, and it'll start no problem.

I had exactly this issue with the sprog at work's chinese 125. Ran
fine when cold, wouldn't tick over or run properly when hot. Turned
out to be a closed up exhaust tappet.
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

[TMack]

On Fri, 10 May 2019 17:43:55 +0000, Mick wrote:

> On Fri, 10 May 2019 15:16:17 +0000, Krusty wrote:
>
>> Boxerboy wrote:
>>
>>> CBA to scroll back but has anybody suggested that the tank breather
>>> may be blocked so as petrol is used air cannot get in to replace it.
>>
>> Yes, somebody did. Already ruled out.
>
> I did rule it out in a vague sort of way. I said there was no sharp
> intake of air when the cap was listed, but a blocked breather is exactly
> the problem. No sharp intake of air though.

It wouldn't take much of a reduction of pressure inside the tank to limit
fuel flow to the point where it couldn't keep up with consumption. There
may well be no discernible intake of air when the cap is lifted. Also,
partial blockage of the cap breather could produce similar symptoms whilst
allowing enough air to enter between stoppage and cap inspection to
replenish some of the internal pressure drop.

--
Tony
FJR1300, Aprilia Pegaso 650 ie, BSA Bantams x2, BSA C10L

[The Older Gentleman]

Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:

> I had exactly this issue with the sprog at work's chinese 125. Ran
> fine when cold, wouldn't tick over or run properly when hot. Turned
> out to be a closed up exhaust tappet.

I had a slight issue with the Suzuki scooter - erratic tickover.
It's FI and pooterised so it wasn't likely to be much there. I'd been
meaning to check the valve clearances since I bought it with 10,000 on
the clock, and so I did and yes, both were a tad tight. Probably not
been checked since the first free service.
Set them on the looser end of the recommended clearance, on the basis
that a tappy engine is a happy engine, and the problem went away.


--
BMW K1600GTL; Kawasaki Ninja H2, Yamaha 660 Ténéré;
Guzzi Le Mans Mk.2; CD200x2, CB400F, Suzuki Address
More secure garages needed....
neil underscore murray at fastmail dot fm

[The Older Gentleman]

YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:


> Worse still, I don't think any one has mentioned shit in the carbs yet!!
> What is UKRM coming to ....

Or crap in the tank.

[Pip Luscher]

TMack <qw...@yuiop.com> Wrote in message:

> There may well be no discernible intake of air when the cap is lifted. Also, partial blockage of the cap breather could produce similar symptoms whilst allowing enough air to enter between stoppage and cap inspection to replenish some of the internal pressure drop.

Might also depend on the temperature - I was going to argue that
fuel vapour pressure would always keep the tank pressurised, but
then recalled seeing my plastic fuel cans half crushed when it
turned cooler, so heat rising from an engine while stopped might
affect it.

That said, I personally have never seen or even heard secondhand
of an engine problem that was definitely down to tank breather
problems. I'd look elsewhere. The valve theory looks good, though
I am surprised that it could completely kill a running engine at
speed, unless the engine died in traffic - this is why we need to
know *how* it died.


--

PipL mobile

[Mick]

On Sun, 12 May 2019 10:05:05 +0100, Pip Luscher wrote:

> That said, I personally have never seen or even heard secondhand
> of an engine problem that was definitely down to tank breather problems

You have now. The breather is very definitely blocked. For reasons known
only to Honda, the tank breather involves a very small bore steel pipe
that has an open end inside the tank behind a baffle on the inside of the
filler cap boss. The pipe runs through the tank and exits through the
bottom where a piece of hose runs down through the frame and hangs down
near the swing arm spindle.

Tests with various forms of pressurised air, my own breath, an air can
from Toolstation and a proper air line, have all failed to unblock the
thing. It's rather small bore size and convoluted route inside the tank
make it highly unlikely that a 'thing' can be poked up it. It's not
possible to see (with small mirror on a stick and a torch, the open end
inside the tank because of the baffle.

I have formulated a cunning plan to overcome this issue but I need a
special tool, which I shall buy on the morrow. Hopefully by nightfall
tomorrow, I will have acquired my special tool, put mu plan into
operation, refitted the tank and taken the machine for a successful test
ride.

--
Mick.

[Tosspot]

They'll be a squirrel at the end of it, mark my words.

[Boxerboy]

Somewhere in one of my tool boxes i have an E string off a double bass for such tasks. Its not been defeated yet. Really good at getting around bends but does not compress or deform when it meets said blockage.

Boxerboy

[Krusty]

That's clever. Coiled steel?

[Boxerboy]

No

Its solid from a double bass. Thinking it through the wound ones from an electric bass guitar would be even better.

Mike Flemming will be along to sell you one of his carefully run in one owner strings for £10.99 each ( Mike i want 10% commission).

Boxerboy

[Bruce Horrocks]

Any use?

<https://www.amazon.co.uk/Cleaners-16-inches-Pipeline-Cleaning-Flexible/dp/B00AIPOJO0>


--
Bruce Horrocks
FJR1300AS

[Mick]

That's cool.I'm looking at a brand new set guitar string in front of me
on the desk. Might restring one of mine and use the old strings, but I do
like the idea. Cheers.



--
Mick.

[Mick]

On Fri, 10 May 2019 19:26:59 +0000, crn wrote:

> If all else fails the bodge is to drill a hole in the cap.

Not this cap, but the idea of drilling is OK. There's a place under the
locking lid that it is possible to drill a 2 or 3 mm hole into the tank
itself and the thing will then breath through the 'over fill' drain pipe.
I've just got back from buying a hand drill cos I'm not using any kind of
electric one near petrol fumes, but first, I have to try the guitar
string.

--
Mick.

[Mick]

On Mon, 13 May 2019 11:37:09 +0100, Bruce Horrocks wrote:

> Any use?
>
> <https://www.amazon.co.uk/Cleaners-16-inches-Pipeline-Cleaning-Flexible/
dp/B00AIPOJO0>

Looks good to me. If the guitar string doesn't do it, I'll order some of
these and give them a go.


--
Mick.

[Boxerboy]

But but if you buy from me they will be made from unobtainium mined from the last working unobtainium mine on Tuvalu. Much cheapness. To you £9.99 best price. I also have post cards of my sister!

None of your dunlop phosphor Bronze ....

Oh ok yes that should do it start with something about 45 thou.

Boxerboy

[Krusty]

Vinegar might be worth a try before you start ordering stuff.

[Mick]

On Mon, 13 May 2019 12:35:35 +0000, Krusty wrote:

> Vinegar might be worth a try before you start ordering stuff.

I cleaned the tank with cider vinegar and it did a fine job, but being
around 15 quid a gallon and my tank needed about four for a proper fill,
it didn't do such a good job on the top of the tank (inside).
Consequently, the top end of the breather pipe didn't get more than a
splash, rather than the three day soak recommended by the Youtube
experts. It might well be worth turning the tank upside down and filling
the breather pipe with CV for a day or two.

Guitar string tonight. If that doesn't work, vinegar for a couple of
days, and then, as a last resort, I'll drill a new breather hole.

--
Mick.

[Mark Olson]

Mick <mick....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 13 May 2019 12:35:35 +0000, Krusty wrote:
>
>> Vinegar might be worth a try before you start ordering stuff.
>
> I cleaned the tank with cider vinegar and it did a fine job, but being
> around 15 quid a gallon and my tank needed about four for a proper fill,
> it didn't do such a good job on the top of the tank (inside).

Maybe for next time... I've seen people say that they partially filled
their tank then wrapped it in some blankets and stuffed it tightly
into a tumble dryer. The blankets keep it located in one spot rather
than tumbling around loose. A few hours in the dryer (heat setting
on air dry) circulates the liquid everywhere inside the tank rather
than just the bottom.

Of course you need to seal up the tank pretty well for this to be a
viable method unless you don't mind whatever chemical you're using
leaking on the blankets and the outside of the tank, and possibly
getting inside your dryer.

> Consequently, the top end of the breather pipe didn't get more than a
> splash, rather than the three day soak recommended by the Youtube
> experts. It might well be worth turning the tank upside down and filling
> the breather pipe with CV for a day or two.

> Guitar string tonight. If that doesn't work, vinegar for a couple of
> days, and then, as a last resort, I'll drill a new breather hole.

I've got high hopes for the guitar string method at this point.

--
FJR1300A, GL1000, KLR650A6F, EX250J9A, Vespa Ciao

[Jim]

I hoping he'll get air on a g string.

[Mike Fleming]

In article <7e614c56-8a22-47f8...@googlegroups.com>,

If I have any cast-offs (I think I've cleared them all out), they'll
be 40, 60, 80, 100, and 125 or 130 thou. The "as seen on live telly"
set went nearly 30 years ago though.

--
Mike Fleming

[Turby]

On 5/13/2019 10:16 AM, Mark Olson wrote:
> >
> Maybe for next time... I've seen people say that they partially filled
> their tank then wrapped it in some blankets and stuffed it tightly

> into a tumble dryer. ...

>
> Of course you need to seal up the tank pretty well for this to be a
> viable method unless you don't mind whatever chemical you're using
> leaking on the blankets and the outside of the tank, and possibly
> getting inside your dryer.
>

"Your dryer"? You don't actually do that at home, do you? That stuff is
only for laundromats, I'd think.

>
> I've got high hopes for the guitar string method at this point.
>

I've been using a low E string around the house for ages. Fray it just a
tad and it works on all kinds of stuff.


--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in pieces)

[Pipl]

On Mon, 13 May 2019 11:58:17 -0700, Turby <xs...@xmail.com> wrote:

>On 5/13/2019 10:16 AM, Mark Olson wrote:
>> >
>> Maybe for next time... I've seen people say that they partially filled
>> their tank then wrapped it in some blankets and stuffed it tightly
>> into a tumble dryer. ...
>>
>> Of course you need to seal up the tank pretty well for this to be a
>> viable method unless you don't mind whatever chemical you're using
>> leaking on the blankets and the outside of the tank, and possibly
>> getting inside your dryer.
>>
>
>"Your dryer"? You don't actually do that at home, do you? That stuff is
>only for laundromats, I'd think.

Flammable vapours and (possibly) DC sparky mains motors - what can
possibly go wrong?

--

-Pip

[Mark Olson]

Turby <xs...@xmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/13/2019 10:16 AM, Mark Olson wrote:
>> >
>> Maybe for next time... I've seen people say that they partially filled
>> their tank then wrapped it in some blankets and stuffed it tightly
>> into a tumble dryer. ...
>>
>> Of course you need to seal up the tank pretty well for this to be a
>> viable method unless you don't mind whatever chemical you're using
>> leaking on the blankets and the outside of the tank, and possibly
>> getting inside your dryer.
>>
>
> "Your dryer"? You don't actually do that at home, do you? That stuff is
> only for laundromats, I'd think.

Ask Mr. Murray about my advice regarding the family dishwasher...

Or not.

[Mark Olson]

Purge all vapor by stuffing the exhaust pipe of a car into the filler
neck with a suitable hose, and letting it sit there while it idles
for an hour or so. Every trace of fuel vapor should be exhausted
(hah) at that point.

Or just let the tank sit out in the hot sun for a day with all orifices
open and it will bake the fumes right out of it.

[The Older Gentleman]

Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.invalid> wrote:

> Ask Mr. Murray about my advice regarding the family dishwasher...

Oh God.That thread will be on Gurgle Groups from about 15 years ago, I'm
sure.

[The Older Gentleman]

Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.invalid> wrote:

> Purge all vapor by stuffing the exhaust pipe of a car into the filler
> neck with a suitable hose, and letting it sit there while it idles
> for an hour or so. Every trace of fuel vapor should be exhausted
> (hah) at that point.

I've done this. It works.

If you feel adventurous, you can test it by waving a flame near the
filler neck. You might just get a faint 'pop'.

If you get more, well, you didn't leave it idling long enough.

I also invert dried tanks with the filler cap open, for a couple of
days, on the basis that fuel vapour is heavier than air and will sort of
fall out.

[The Older Gentleman]

Boxerboy <ianp...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> an E string off a double bass for such tasks.

Now there's a damn good idea. You coiuld even re-package old strings, in
nifty little hanging blister packs, and re-sell them for a fat profit.

[The Older Gentleman]

Jim <j...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> I hoping he'll get air on a g string.

You. Coat. NOW!

[Boxerboy]

See above..pitch already developed.

Boxerboy

[YTC#1]

On 14/05/2019 12:01, Boxerboy wrote:
> See above..pitch already developed.
>
See what ?



--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
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[Pipl]

On Tue, 14 May 2019 04:01:46 -0700 (PDT), Boxerboy
<ianp...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>See above..pitch already developed.

C# ?


--

-Pip

[Pipl]

On Tue, 14 May 2019 09:16:50 +0100, totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk
(The Older Gentleman) wrote:

>Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Purge all vapor by stuffing the exhaust pipe of a car into the filler
>> neck with a suitable hose, and letting it sit there while it idles
>> for an hour or so. Every trace of fuel vapor should be exhausted
>> (hah) at that point.
>
>I've done this. It works.
>
>If you feel adventurous, you can test it by waving a flame near the
>filler neck. You might just get a faint 'pop'.
>
>If you get more, well, you didn't leave it idling long enough.
>
>I also invert dried tanks with the filler cap open, for a couple of
>days, on the basis that fuel vapour is heavier than air and will sort of
>fall out.

I once washed a tank out thoroughly with soapy water, left it with
its cap open and the bottom partly cut out to dry, then tried welding
patches onto it. As a precaution I left the filler open, which turned
out to be wise.

"Pop" was an understatement and I vividly remember the purple flash
out of the filler hole.

--

-Pip

[Mike Fleming]

In article <1o7k6w1.18cp4iz1qrhs73N%totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk>,

totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk (The Older Gentleman) writes:

> Boxerboy <ianp...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > an E string off a double bass for such tasks.
>
> Now there's a damn good idea. You coiuld even re-package old strings, in
> nifty little hanging blister packs, and re-sell them for a fat profit.

People pay good money for second-hand double bass strings. Not
surprising when new ones are £150 a set.

--
Mike Fleming

[The Older Gentleman]

Pipl <plus...@live.co.uk> wrote:

> "Pop" was an understatement and I vividly remember the purple flash
> out of the filler hole.

Mini Chernobyl :-)

[jeremy]

In article
<odejde103sk54vq49lebr17q9c51oo3q6r@
4ax.com>, {mike}@tauzero.co.uk
says...

> The "as seen on live telly"
> set went nearly 30 years ago though.
>
>

Go on?

--
jeremy

[Mike Fleming]

In article <MPG.374801199...@news.individual.net>, jeremy

Telethon '90, with the then band. One song. The bass in question is
still in my possession, and has just gained a new lease of life since
I joined a Marillion tribute band.

Studio recording of the song:
http://tauzero.co.uk/music/mp3s/NakedTouch/TeardropsStare.mp3

--
Mike Fleming

[Turby]

On 5/17/2019 1:21 PM, Mike Fleming wrote:
>
>
> Telethon '90, with the then band. One song. The bass in question is
> still in my possession, and has just gained a new lease of life since
> I joined a Marillion tribute band.
>
> Studio recording of the song:
> http://tauzero.co.uk/music/mp3s/NakedTouch/TeardropsStare.mp3
>

Just for laughs, what did your hair look like then? (I'm almost afraid
to ask.)

[Mike Fleming]

In article <qbn84i$rq4$1...@dont-email.me>, Turby <xs...@xmail.com>
writes:

> On 5/17/2019 1:21 PM, Mike Fleming wrote:
> >
> >
> > Telethon '90, with the then band. One song. The bass in question is
> > still in my possession, and has just gained a new lease of life since
> > I joined a Marillion tribute band.
> >
> > Studio recording of the song:
> > http://tauzero.co.uk/music/mp3s/NakedTouch/TeardropsStare.mp3
> >
> Just for laughs, what did your hair look like then? (I'm almost afraid
> to ask.)

Ironically, as I'm the bassist, rather like Fish's hair from a few
years back. Collar length and thinning on top.

--
Mike Fleming

[jeremy]

In article
<tn5udet18t0nm5jmeckd3gbo1g7ivgef9u@

4ax.com>, {mike}@tauzero.co.uk
says...
> > > The "as seen on live telly"
> > > set went nearly 30 years ago though.
> >
> > Go on?
>
> Telethon '90, with the then band. One song. The bass in question is
> still in my possession, and has just gained a new lease of life since
> I joined a Marillion tribute band.
>
> Studio recording of the song:
> http://tauzero.co.uk/music/mp3s/NakedTouch/TeardropsStare.mp3
>

Ta


--
jeremy

[Simon Wilson]

Doesn't everyone have a cement mixer?

--
/Simon