[First Project] Anne of the Island by L. M. Montgomery

[Brian Arthmire]

This was already proposed under a different thread, but creating a new thread here with accurate subject.

Project Gutenberg text: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/51
Internet Archive page scans: https://archive.org/details/anneofisland1920mont

Potential cover art: https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/435991

Cover art PD source: https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000413271

GitHub Repository: https://github.com/arthmire/l-m-montgomery_anne-of-the-island

[Weijia Cheng]

Since the Met is a museum with a CC0 collection and this painting has the "OA Public Domain" icon, you don't need to find separate PD proof for this (though that is a good skill to practice). You just have to keep in mind that these are the only museums we are allowed to use images from without PD proof (unless you can clearly prove that the museum has explicitly licensed the images under CC0, in which case it can get added to the manual).

Not sure who's managing this so someone else can give the final stamp of approval for the cover.

[B Keith]

Cover looks good. You might want to try and lighten it up a bit. As Weijia said you don’t need both a CCO museum and  PD proof, but if you do please link to the specific page so we don’t have to thumb through the text… Thanks

Bruce

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[Brian Arthmire]

Update:

I have been following the step-by-step guide and am now at the point of proofreading and making small editorial changes on a chapter-by-chapter basis. The cover image selection was based on a recommendation from a previous producer, but after going through the book I will most likely want to choose a different one. Only thing that I'm unsure of is when running SE lint on the book, there is still one error that I cannot figure out how to resolve:

Empty element in metadata.

<meta content="cover.jpg" name="cover"/>

As far as XHTML goes, this looks syntactically correct. When I run SE build-images it keeps the cover as an SVG, not JPG, so if I were to finish my editorial changes today (ha), I don't see SE tools magically converting the SVG to JPG now. If I update the meta content to cover.svg, I still get the empty element error when running lint.

I'm going to keep proofreading for now (will take a while), but was just wondering if others have come across this peculiarity and it will eventually resolve itself, or if I didn't follow the instructions correctly and ended up messing something up.

[B Keith]

Well I’m a at loss as to where that bit of code came from. Looking through other Standard  projects the only mention of cover is <item href="images/cover.svg" id="cover.svg" media-type="image/svg+xml" properties="cover-image”/> in the content.opf. Did you chage the content.opf file or the default  cover?

The svgs are dealt with in the build process.

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[Alex Cabal]

That line is inserted during build and should not be present in the
ebook source. Did you accidentally copy in content.opf from a compiled
epub, instead of using `se create-draft`?

>> <https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.7.0/10-art-and-images#10.3.3.7.4>

>> and this painting has the "OA Public Domain" icon, you don't need
>> to find separate PD proof for this (though that is a good skill to

>> practice). You just have to keep in mind that these are the /only/

>> museums we are allowed to use images from without PD proof (unless
>> you can clearly prove that the museum has explicitly licensed the
>> images under CC0, in which case it can get added to the manual).
>>
>> Not sure who's managing this so someone else can give the final
>> stamp of approval for the cover.
>>
>> On Saturday, September 10, 2022 at 4:35:41 PM UTC-7 Brian Arthmire
>> wrote:
>>
>> This was already proposed under a different thread

>> <https://groups.google.com/g/standardebooks/c/iNxuXx2LYjc/m/nphG50vUDAAJ>,

>> but creating a new thread here with accurate subject.
>>
>> Project Gutenberg text: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/51
>> <https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/51>
>> Internet Archive page scans:
>> https://archive.org/details/anneofisland1920mont
>> <https://archive.org/details/anneofisland1920mont>
>> Potential cover art:
>> https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/435991
>> <https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/435991>
>> Cover art PD source:
>> https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000413271
>> <https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000413271>
>>
>> GitHub Repository:
>> https://github.com/arthmire/l-m-montgomery_anne-of-the-island
>> <https://github.com/arthmire/l-m-montgomery_anne-of-the-island>
>>
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[Brian Arthmire]

Thank you both; that did the trick. What I did was I followed the step-by-step instructions (se create-draft) but then when filling out the variables in content.opf I compared my version with the published version from Anne of Green Gables to make sure that I didn't miss anything. I must have copied it over because when I removed the <meta name="cover" tag, se lint is now happy. As long as it gets inserted back in toward the end of the build process (se prepare-release?), I should be fine because the only items left in lint are editorial issues (e.g., unbalanced quotes).

Thanks again!

[B Keith]

FWIW what happens is se build takes a correctly formed project and builds multiple versions. The resulting compatible epub loses a lot of the advanced stuff like svgs in order to be, well, compatible. ;-)

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[Brian Arthmire]

Manual of Style question. When I run "se lint" it accurately reports "Period followed by lowercase letter." This occurs repeatedly in Chapter 5 during a letter that a child has written to Anne. The letter has terrible spelling and grammar, but it is supposed to since it is written by a child. These are not typos and correcting them with an [Editorial] commit would ruin the intent of the letter.

So I guess my question is, am I allowed to ignore se lint Manual Review warnings (Code t-029), or is there some way to add XHTML semantics to suppress the warnings/errors? I don't see anything addressing this in the Manual of Style. An example snippet from the letter is:

Milty bolter told me a grate story in school yesterday. it is troo. old Joe Mosey and Leon were playing cards...

Suggestion on how to keep the integrity of the original source yet let others know semantically that the spelling/grammar is intentional would be appreciated. Thanks!

[Alex Cabal]

You can ignore them, see
https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.7.0/single-page#2.3 for how to use
the se-lint-ignore.xml file

On 9/26/22 1:56 PM, Brian Arthmire wrote:
> Manual of Style question. When I run "se lint" it accurately reports
> "Period followed by lowercase letter." This occurs repeatedly in Chapter
> 5 during a letter that a child has written to Anne. The letter has
> terrible spelling and grammar, but it is supposed to since it is written
> by a child. These are not typos and correcting them with an [Editorial]
> commit would ruin the intent of the letter.
>
> So I guess my question is, am I allowed to ignore se lint Manual Review
> warnings (Code t-029), or is there some way to add XHTML semantics to
> suppress the warnings/errors? I don't see anything addressing this in
> the Manual of Style. An example snippet from the letter is:
>
> Milty bolter told me a grate story in school yesterday. it is troo. old
> Joe Mosey and Leon were playing cards...
>
> Suggestion on how to keep the integrity of the original source yet let
> others know semantically that the spelling/grammar is intentional would
> be appreciated. Thanks!
> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 4:37:28 PM UTC-4 BTK wrote:
>

> FWIW what happens is /se build /takes a correctly formed project and

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[B Keith]

Those should be ok to ignore.

File them in the se-lint-ignore.xml file: https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.7.0/2-filesystem#2.3 and they can be checked on review

Bruce

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[Brian Arthmire]

Beautiful. Thank you both so much. That is exactly what I was looking for; I completely missed it earlier. Thanks for being patient with this newbie.

[Brian Arthmire]

After a long hiatus, I am finally coming back to this, my first project. I am over 70% complete with proofreading, with all changes thus far committed to the repository at https://github.com/arthmire/l-m-montgomery_anne-of-the-island.

In the past few months, I found a much better potential cover art at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Summer_1909_Frank_Weston_Benson.jpg. Is Wikimedia to be trusted when they state a work of art is Public Domain or do I need to independently verify?

[Vince]

You have to independently verify. See SEMoS 10.3.3.7.

[Weijia Cheng]

Actually, you are lucky once again, because this image is from RISD and licensed under CC0 ;)

On Wikimedia, it's good to check the references, because the original image might have been licensed under CC0 (like you saw here) or there could be a reference to an art book that provides PD proof if you dig into it.

[Brian Arthmire]

So because the Summer painting is in the Rhode Island School of Design collection under CC0, I do not need to hunt down a publication that includes the printed painting? I.e., I'm allowed to commit into my project? That would be most helpful because I've been trying to find a book that includes this painting and am having a rough time of it. In the meantime, I'll continue proofreading the final ~30% and post back here when ready for review. Thanks!

[Weijia Cheng]

I would carefully read this part of the manual: https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.7.0/10-art-and-images#10.3.3.7.4

The idea is that if you find a painting from one of these museums and the image has been licensed under CC0 by the museum (which you can find by checking the criterion given in the list), you don't need to find separate proof (i.e. a book scan) for the public domain status. You should still check with the mailing list with your manager to see if they approve the painting before you commit it (so they can verify the CC0 license and make sure that the painting is appropriate to the book, and not already used elsewhere). But all you have to do in that case is post the museum entry link and point to the CC0 license on the museum page.

[Alex Cabal]

I lost this project in my records. It looks like Bruce was managing it?
But he's away right now, Weijia do you want to take over?

On 5/31/23 7:30 AM, Brian Arthmire wrote:
> So because the Summer painting is in the Rhode Island School of Design
> collection under CC0, I do not need to hunt down a publication that
> includes the printed painting? I.e., I'm allowed to commit into my
> project? That would be most helpful because I've been trying to find a
> book that includes this painting and am having a rough time of it. In
> the meantime, I'll continue proofreading the final ~30% and post back
> here when ready for review. Thanks!
>
> On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 12:48:56 AM UTC-4 Weijia Cheng wrote:
>
> Actually, you are lucky once again, because this image is from RISD

> <https://risdmuseum.org/art-design/collection/summer-13912> and

> licensed under CC0 ;)
>
> On Wikimedia, it's good to check the references, because the
> original image might have been licensed under CC0 (like you saw
> here) or there could be a reference to an art book that provides PD
> proof if you dig into it.
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 9:03:35 PM UTC-7 Vince wrote:
>
> You have to independently verify. See SEMoS 10.3.3.7

> <https://standardebooks.org/manual/1.7.0/single-page#10.3.3.7>.

>
>> On May 30, 2023, at 9:56 PM, Brian Arthmire
>> <br...@arthmire.com> wrote:
>>
>> After a long hiatus, I am finally coming back to this, my
>> first project. I am over 70% complete with proofreading, with
>> all changes thus far committed to the repository at
>> https://github.com/arthmire/l-m-montgomery_anne-of-the-island

>> <https://github.com/arthmire/l-m-montgomery_anne-of-the-island>.

>>
>> In the past few months, I found a much better potential cover
>> art at

>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Summer_1909_Frank_Weston_Benson.jpg <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Summer_1909_Frank_Weston_Benson.jpg>. Is Wikimedia to be trusted when they state a work of art is Public Domain or do I need to independently verify?

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[Weijia Cheng]

Sure, I can manage this project going forwards.

[Weijia Cheng]

Brian, I checked whether the painting has been used before in the corpus and it has not, so you are free to use Summer from RISD if you wish.

[Brian Arthmire]

Weijia: Fantastic. Thanks for the verification. I will commit to the repository and wrap up the final proofreading.