parachute for the pilot
Bob
going on recently and we're seeing a lot of pressure directed at the
Vinton County Airshow by the FAA. I won't take money for a jump and a
lot of people don't like that.
Anyhow, Harry the lj,i keeps his 172 in great condition, he has an STC
for taking the door off and flies commercial, things like leaf peeps,
dinner fights that sort thing.
Now they're telling him that he has to wear a parachute any time he
flies jumpers.
Is that true? This isn't some crapped out DZ plane but a plane with
all the paperwork, etc.
Does he really need a parachute to fly us?
Thanks,
Bob Church
the unknown flailer
yep I'm afraid so, thank the USPA for that one and btw DZ planes were
in pretty good shape in Texas when I retired, many of them leased and
well cared for....Jump pilots wore parachutes or at least had one in
the cockpit. Check the
BSR's and see if its there,,,,The FAA & USPA are hand in pocket---
Since its not USPA or a drop zone, maybe theres a loop hole in there
somewhere for you. Or maybe the guy is just tired of giving you free
rides and this is his out- - -Pilots talk among their selves, maybe
some shade tree lawyer told him that is how it is around drop zones
and he's just assuming he is a drop zone for putting you out, ask him
to show you in the FAA rule book...I dunno maybe, maybe,
maybe....Makes sense though, course I was a USPA Skydiver and the
BSR's make sense to me even though I bent a lot of them and have had
the FAA check my reserve repack card. log book and license right on
the runway apron when the FBO , Either he knew the USPA rules or they
were also FAA rules---------Good luck
ynotssor
news:5cb30b7c-5fc4-4394...@f10g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
...
> Now they're telling him that he has to wear a parachute any time he
> flies jumpers.
...
> Does he really need a parachute to fly us?
We've always been informed that everybody aboard a jump AC is "required to
wear an emergency parachute", yet I've never been able to find that
statement in 14 CFR Part 91 or Part 105. Of course it may exist elsewhere
...
The only thing remotely applicable seems due to the fact that jump AC
usually descend rapidly after jumpers are away, in which case � 91.307
(c)(2) might be the issue, yet the language "other than a crewmember" seems
confusing:
" ...
(c) Unless each occupant of the aircraft is wearing an approved parachute,
no pilot of a civil aircraft carrying any person (other than a crewmember)
may execute any intentional maneuver that exceeds-
...
(2) A nose-up or nose-down attitude of 30 degrees relative to the horizon.
... "
PeterL
@f10g2000vbf.googlegroups.com:
In a word, yes.
As far as I can recall, if you take the door off (or open the door for any
length of time), the pilot puts a chute on.
--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia
If we are not meant to eat animals,
why are they made of meat?
PeterL
@f10g2000vbf.googlegroups.com:
> We just got slammed with a surprise. We've got some strange stuff
Just found this..........
http://www.faasafety.gov/gslac/ALC/libview_normal.aspx?id=7721
"Aircraft Modifications
Common examples of aircraft modifications include:
* Removal of a cabin door and a jump door installed or air deflector
installed.
* Seat belts added (every skydiver is required to use a seat belt).
* Steps installed or handholds for jumper climbout.
* Door removal or modification approvals often have provisions that
require all occupants, including the pilots, to wear a parachute if the
door is opened.
* Airspeed limitations related to door use, which must be placarded.
Speed limitations for Cessnas are usually between 80-110 mph for door
opening or flight with the door open."
Bob
No, he definitely wants to fly us, we open and close the airshow, plus
we're pretty good friends even away from the airport.
Thanks though.
Bob
> > all the paperwork, etc.
>
> > Does he really need a parachute to fly us?
>
> Just found this..........
>
> http://www.faasafety.gov/gslac/ALC/libview_normal.aspx?id=7721
>
> "Aircraft Modifications
>
> Common examples of aircraft modifications include:
>
> * Removal of a cabin door and a jump door installed or air deflector
> installed.
> * Seat belts added (every skydiver is required to use a seat belt).
> * Steps installed or handholds for jumper climbout.
> * Door removal or modification approvals often have provisions that
> require all occupants, including the pilots, to wear a parachute if the
> door is opened.
> * Airspeed limitations related to door use, which must be placarded.
> Speed limitations for Cessnas are usually between 80-110 mph for door
> opening or flight with the door open."
>
> --
> Peter Lucas
I don't see anything in that article that says a pilot must wear a
parachute. Or am I missing your point. Sorry,
Bob
saying that the waiver for removing the door *may* say it, so we'll
check that.
Thanks,
Bob Church
the unknown flailer
>
> - Show quoted text -
The pilots container as far as I could see was a simple back pack type
with no reserve, once in a while a pilot wore the old style that hung
over the butt like you saw in WWII---looked like a thin boat cushion,
again no reserrve----this type must have been popular in the clapped
out jump planes of yester year when A PILOT might be sitting on a
orange crate or milk stool heh heh...A scary prospect for someone who
jumps with reserve all the time and was forced to use it a couple of
times. This iffy parachute satisfys USPA & FAA rules it appears....a
used one should be fairly cheap. The main problem seems to be you have
enemys around the airport looking to keep you from jumping.
Skydivers around unfrindly airports are used to this treatment. One of
the best DZ's I was ever on closed 15 years
ago because the airport was worth more to developers than as a city
airport...The FBO
Bob
higher up the food chain at the FAA. One of them got back to him just
now and reassured him that he does not need a parachute to fly us.
Better yet, it sounds like they're going to look into why he was told
differently.
It's a long story and since I don't want to hire a lawyer to defend
myself I'm not saying anything else, but I suspect we may be reading
about it in Parachutist soon. Or maybe not, I miss Skydiving Magazine.
PeterL
708187...@d21g2000vbm.googlegroups.com:
Common sense must prevail!!
I sure as hell wouldn't want to be in an aircraft (again) which is
specifically being used to drop skydivers........ and *not* have a rig on.
I did it once in Russia, and will never do it again.
It's one reason even 'observers' here in Oz are given (bare bones)
training in how to pop a reserve when they go up to watch people jump out.
They *have* to wear a reserve (no main) to go up and watch...... that was
the policy at my drop zone anyways.
Bob
>
> I sure as hell wouldn't want to be in an aircraft (again) which is
> specifically being used to drop skydivers........ and *not* have a rig on.
>
> I did it once in Russia, and will never do it again.
>
> It's one reason even 'observers' here in Oz are given (bare bones)
> training in how to pop a reserve when they go up to watch people jump out.
>
> They *have* to wear a reserve (no main) to go up and watch...... that was
> the policy at my drop zone anyways.
>
> --
> Peter Lucas
Personally I can't stand being in any plane for any reason without a
parachute, but for someone to tell him (in a supposedly official
capacity, hypothetically) that it's a legal requirement when it isn't
isn't justified.
Harry feels that sitting in a plane with the door off and a parachute
on is too dangerous. I don't agree, but I respect his opinion.
What I've been thinking about getting is a butt pack for when we go up
with the door off for aerial photography. Less chance of inadvertent
opening but something to do with my last few seconds if I fall out at
500 feet. Then he could use it when he's flying us as jumpers.
Bob Church
PeterL
@k26g2000vbp.googlegroups.com:
>> Common sense must prevail!!
>>
>> I sure as hell wouldn't want to be in an aircraft (again) which is
>> specifically being used to drop skydivers........ and *not* have a rig
on
> .
>>
>> I did it once in Russia, and will never do it again.
>>
>> It's one reason even 'observers' here in Oz are given (bare bones)
>> training in how to pop a reserve when they go up to watch people jump
out
> .
>>
>> They *have* to wear a reserve (no main) to go up and watch...... that
was
>> the policy at my drop zone anyways.
>>
>> --
>> Peter Lucas � � � � � � � � � � � � � �
>
> Personally I can't stand being in any plane for any reason without a
> parachute,
LOL!! Samea-samea :-)
Flying death traps that they are!!
> but for someone to tell him (in a supposedly official
> capacity, hypothetically) that it's a legal requirement when it isn't
> isn't justified.
Well, in most areas, and probably quite a few of your States, it probably
*is* a legal requirement. Much the same as seatbelts.
> Harry feels that sitting in a plane with the door off and a parachute
> on is too dangerous.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> I don't agree,
Ummmmmm, neither do I!!!
I liken that to a BASE jumper walking on the ledge of a building without
his rig on...... or one that isn't prepped for jumping.
Jason Rooney springs to mind.
> but I respect his opinion.
> What I've been thinking about getting is a butt pack for when we go up
> with the door off for aerial photography. Less chance of inadvertent
> opening but something to do with my last few seconds if I fall out at
> 500 feet. Then he could use it when he's flying us as jumpers.
What's wrong with a SlimPac/ThinPac??
Our taxi drivers used to wear them all the time. IIRC it was a 28' round,
packed into a container that went from neck to butt crack...... bugger all
hinderence to the pilot sitting in the seat.
ynotssor
Bob <chu...@ohio.edu> typed:
> What I've been thinking about getting is a butt pack for when we go up
> with the door off for aerial photography. Less chance of inadvertent
> opening but something to do with my last few seconds if I fall out at
> 500 feet. Then he could use it when he's flying us as jumpers.
Most, but not all of the DZs I've jumped at provide a pilot's emergency
parachute, as well as one for any observers on the load.
My friend Jimmy Lowe, an incredibly experienced skydiver and pilot, used the
pilot emergency rigs as a backrest only, with the idea (he once told me)
that he'd quickly don the rig if an emergency exit was required. Skydiving
witnesses on the ground stated that the "500 feet" you mentioned above was
about the altitude where the electric elevator-trim emergency occurred,
despite what's implied in
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001213X25979
500 feet *might* have been survivable if he already had the rig on, but
quickly blowing the door bolts and exiting while donning the rig was a
losing proposition from that altitude.
The lack of an emergency pilot's rig when needed is a losing proposition
from _any_ altitude in an uncontrollable aircraft, something not-unheard-of
in skydiving operations.
the unknown flailer
> Bob <chur...@ohio.edu> wrote in news:d304261a-1acc-402d-b1a4-
> 70818792c...@d21g2000vbm.googlegroups.com:
>
> Common sense must prevail!!
>
> I sure as hell wouldn't want to be in an aircraft (again) which is
> specifically being used to drop skydivers........ and *not* have a rig on.
>
> I did it once in Russia, and will never do it again.
>
> Brisbane
> Australia
>
> If we are not meant to eat animals,
> why are they made of meat?
LOL maybe thats where all of the flying death traps Bob envisioned
were retired to, I know most urban
skydivers won't get on a junkie looking plane-they wouldn't have
jumped in the early days I'm guessing. Knowing this a few of us used
to carry hundred mile per hour tape and grungy patch's to stick on the
Otter, finally the DZO got tired of scraping them off, painted the
aircraft, bought a finger print kit and dared the dark humored jumpers
to put another one on. So we poured oil under the engine nacelle----
those fancy pants fakers walk out, take one look at that and they shit
themselves. I come from a unforgiving generation. 0~;->
Bob
I'd been married for several years when Gene Taylor opened his
dropzone in Lancaster Ohio. The first time my wife went with me her
attitude about me going skydiving changed completely. She couldn't
believe airplanes that didn't look like Tijuana taxis and pilots who
didn't even have blood-shot eyes let alone alcohol on their breath.
She liked the idea of them having so many safety meeting until she
found out, well, you know. She really relaxed a lot about me going off
to skydive on the weekends then.
Before that she'd been worried about the planes and pilots and not
without good reason. The only reason she didn't put her foot down and
tell me to quit skydiving, she said, was that then she'd have to put
up with me being around the house all day.
Bob Church
Bob
has never been to Skydive Green County in Xenia, too far too drive.
Except for Taylor Airsports the only DZ she's ever visited was shut
down, with extreme prejudice, by the county several years ago.
I think Gwyn would like Xenia, but it's hard enough for me to put up
with that long drive, she's not going to when she doesn't even jump.
Bob Church
the unknown flailer
> Innews:d06ba31f-83c5-4ca0...@k26g2000vbp.googlegroups.com,
> Bob <chur...@ohio.edu> typed:
>
> The lack of an emergency pilot's rig when needed is a losing proposition
> from _any_ altitude in an uncontrollable aircraft, something not-unheard-of
> in skydiving operations.
Some of the ones I saw was about the same as not having one, for show
only I suspect.....a horror show.
The JM/I at SPX said 500 ft was survivable if you went out with your
thumb hooked in the the reserve handle, apparently reserves are cut &
packed to open quicker than mains. As to what was in the pilots thin
grungy looking
backpack ? ? Like the movie last fandango, it could have been
laundry.....Not many pilots want to get
out of a Airplane till its on the ground- - -They are a strange breed,
I couldn't wait to get out of the noisy
fart filled rattle traps!. ;)
Mike Spurgeon
Get her to fly into Sacramento. Then it's a leisurely 35-minute drive
to Lodi...
the unknown flailer
Lodi Mike pulled a Okie, he started jumping in Ohio I believe, joined
the Marines....sent to California.
Was exposed to USN & its humor, loved the sunshine and fair weather
and decided to stay. What would you call
that? Not a Okie.....perhaps a "Ohikee"....Go out toward the
Sacramento area, he is a TM/JM out in the sticks around Alpelco or
Lodi and would be glad to take your wife out the door on a tandem
ride to keep her amused while you flailed around. Don't worry about
the Lodi Aircraft.....his boss is a rich boy and aircraft
collector.....A asshole I have heard but his wife is nice so your
better half would probably be happy hanging around Lodi while
you did your thing. Plenty of first rate colleges to work at on the
left coast. Blue Sky's/be safe
Mike Spurgeon
> On Sep 16, 4:57 pm, Bob <chur...@ohio.edu> wrote:
>> I should point out, before anyone gets the wrong idea, that my wife
>> has never been to Skydive Green County in Xenia, too far too drive.
>> Except for Taylor Airsports the only DZ she's ever visited was shut
>> down, with extreme prejudice, by the county several years ago.
>> I think Gwyn would like Xenia, but it's hard enough for me to put up
>> with that long drive, she's not going to when she doesn't even jump.
>>
>> Bob Church
>
> Lodi Mike pulled a Okie, he started jumping in Ohio I believe,
Same place Bob did. I was there when he and his first wife did the
first jump course.
I've been trying to get he and his wife to visit here for upwards of 10
years...
Bob
> first jump course.
We're not the last of the Bidwell jumpers, but damned close.
Bob Church
the unknown flailer
So she didn't take to it? Not for everyone I guess, just those who get
hooked on it. He has sacrificed by
jumping out of a backwoods 172 or something for years. She should be
willing to go along on vacation &
let him do some twinT jumping in the California sun....BTW didn't
mean to insult your DZO. Their are
young bootee boy snots and other types with their shorts on too tight
who see me as a asshole. I am
perhaps a little hard nosed and set in my ways. Stuck back in the
1950's somewhere attitude wise.
Anyway I forgot to add a disclaimer after I said I heard Lodi Mikes
boss is a asshole....now the disclaimer
for the modern non thinkers----------> "You shouldn't believe every
thing you hear."heh, unless I'm telling a sea
story bwooooooohahaha 0~:->
Bob
>hooked on it. He has sacrificed by
This is something that I still feel bad about 30 years later. My first
wife didn't really want to make a jump but I pressured her into it.
That's bad enough but it gets worse. Combine this with a guy who is
just learning to be a jumpmaster, I think this was his first group to
train on his own, and he didn't know the difference between an
endurance test and learning to skydive safely.
At one point he had them line up and jump from the PLF stand then
immediately run to the end of the line and just keep doing this. He
looked and sounded like a drill instructor and you'd think they were
in try-outs for the Olympic Run-Around and Jump Off A HIgh Stand
Event. There was a group, employees of a white water rafting business,
who had just trained and made their first jump. One of the women from
it nudged me, looked towards my wife and said "she's way too tired to
keep doing this, she's just going to get hurt." I should have just
told my wife it was ok to just stop, since the JM didn't even seem to
notice, then even gone home with her if the guy gave us any crap but I
didn't. I was a student and he was a jumpmaster but that's still no
excuse. She ended up breaking her foot not five minutes later and
never even tried again.
the unknown flailer
Yeah, well having a JM endorcment don't necessarly make one a good
teacher. Theirs a need for maturity and some ability to read people so
you can adjust your instruction to gain maximum results. I went thru S/
L in
89 or 90 well into my 50's, the only real physical parts were PLF off
a folding chair onto the hanger floor, and arching on a coffee table.
All the sissys went AFF and I've been riding them since simply because
they didn't hang strut. ;)
Had to have someone holding their hand to exit heh. As you can tell I
think like a back woods guy who's had little
to no female imput. Having gone through the more brutal 1950's
military training and a Asian war, I'm not that simpithedic about
other peoples discomfort or feelings-----Male or Female. Might be why
I'm a old bachelor living
out in the woods. I can see you are the thoughtful type or at least
learn from your mistakes. This could be why
you have a perminite woman and I don't......
the unknown flailer
> On Sep 18, 1:11 pm, Bob <chur...@ohio.edu> wrote:
> other peoples discomfort or feelings-----Male or Female. Might be why
> I'm a old bachelor living
> out in the woods. I can see you are the thoughtful type or at least
> learn from your mistakes. This could be why
> besides being big and ugly I mean heh heh
> - Show quoted text -
Damn it posted before I finished. Looks to me like if she won't fall
for bubba psychology and go on vacation to Lodi
so you can jump your brains out the only answer and perhaps the
cheapest way is to dig up a used seat pack parachute for your buddy to
satisfy the FAA if they inspect yawl, also to show around to curious
trouble makers. It could be its not enemy's, people tend to gossip
around airports and anything beyond norm in their Conservative little
worlds. Anything they can't or won't do themselves is frowned on. Good
luck
Jerry K.
That's a load of crap
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.skydiving/msg/734305368e9cdffa
< Oct 26 1995, 1:00 am>
"Just started two years ago "
Snuffy D-17105
>well into my 50's, the only real physical parts were PLF off
>a folding chair onto the hanger floor, and arching on a coffee table.
>All the sissys went AFF and I've been riding them since simply because
>they didn't hang strut. ;)
>Had to have someone holding their hand to exit heh.
Reciprocated of course as S/L yo-yo's needed mechanical asistance to
deploy on their first jump - otherwise they wouldn't jump. Apples and
oranges, of course - both FJ programs have their pros and cons and
Jinnie is just a diva prima donna. ROL?
>As you can tell I
>think like a back woods guy who's had little
>to no female imput. Having gone through the more brutal 1950's
>military training and a Asian war, I'm not that simpithedic about
>other peoples discomfort or feelings-----Male or Female. Might be why
>I'm a old bachelor living
>out in the woods.
Assisted living, more like.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.skydiving/msg/f1d607ec654050ab
"Own a 4 bedroom on a third of an acre out by
the lake now...I'm living the American dream..."
>I can see you are the thoughtful type or at least
>learn from your mistakes. This could be why
>you have a perminite woman and I don't......
What's amusing here is Jinnie takes a couple reasonably simple
statements, - not that Jinnie was ever any authority on the subject
by a longshot,
"having a JM endorcment don't necessarly make one a good
teacher. Theirs a need for maturity and some ability to read people so
you can adjust your instruction to gain maximum results"
and then devotes the rest of it to about himself - some of it patently
and provenly false - and all of it the very familiar blocks of dried
dung Jinnie likes to stack up towards building and presenting a figure
he wishes to portray as himself to other people. Lame.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
> On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:25:53 -0700 (PDT), the unknown flailer
>
>
> teacher. Theirs a need for maturity and some ability to read people so
> you can adjust your instruction to gain maximum results"
>
> and then devotes the rest of it to about himself - some of it patently
> and provenly false - and all of it the very familiar blocks of dried
> dung Jinnie likes to stack up towards building and presenting a figure
> he wishes to portray as himself to other people. Lame.
>
> ...bsrp
>
> - Show quoted text -
Glad you popped up bootee boy, your provide a perfect example of what
I'm talking about....young, not too smart,
can do but can't teach double proved by all these years in the sport
and no JM or Coaching endorsement. Overblown ego covering up a fragile
self esteem, wears pastel colors and bootee's to fake a knowledge of
whats going on and impress the uninitiated novices....A buy me a jump
ticket, pay me to take your picture and I'll be your friend type
whore.....Moving from DZ to DZ like a cheap street walker tsk tsk tsk,
poor thing can't help itself.
This doesn't help the Yankee guy....As I see it he's going to have to
cop a pilot pack to quell the nay sayers.
I doubt his buddy being a civil pilot wants to wear it but if they
have it with them and decide to use it for a seat cushion it still
blocks the attempt to shut the nice thing he has going on down. Even
if he went to Calif to jump at Lodi the same problem would be facing
him when he got back to that hick airport, Yep a 2nd hand well used
pilots chute is the only answer to solve his people trying to stop or
discourage his Pilot buddy from putting him out of his Cessna problem.
NOW! Are you going to put aside your petty jealousy long enough to
help him find a solution
or are you going to remain your pitiful girly boy self? ;-*
the unknown flailer
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.skydiving/msg/f1d607ec654050ab
>
> "Own a 4 bedroom on a third of an acre out by
> the lake now...I'm living the American dream..."
>
Yep 7 miles out of town, in the woods surrounded by an exclusive
hunting club with the lake nearby...Too crippled to even fish but what
the hay. The VA may end up giving me even a bigger tax free monthly
check and I'll buy a party barge and cruise the lake with a cold beer
in my hand and a hard on, thinking about you at the DZ scratching for
nickles and dimes---The thought of that should really chap your girly
boy ass heh heh Specially since the Military offered you a chance to
serve and you chickened out, poor thing can't help being a slacker tsk
tsk tsk 0~;-*
the unknown flailer
> >teacher. Theirs a need for maturity and some ability to read people so
> >S/L in 89 or 90
>
> That's a load of crap
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hey girly boy, you going to try to help Bob with a possible solution
or just waste bandwidth talking to and about your
skydiving Hero from days gone by? 0~;)P
Jerry K.
Oh, yaaaas! <sarcasm, dummy> Imagine the chagrine, jumping out of
airplanes, early loads, sunselt loads, and all loads in between,
skydiving with my friends, and just full on envy for some doofus
toodling around in his imaginary "party barge." Shit, Jinnie - a
while back you were imagining your own grass strip, Cessna dropzone
which only "cool people" would be allowed to jump at. Now, despite
the overwhelmingly skygod nature of such a qualifier for membership,
what happened to that place, Jinnie? Traded it in for a "party barge?
They have a gantry with a winch and heavy gauge cable sturdy enough to
hoist your fat ass in and out of your "party barge over by the lake?"
Stand by for Stupor-Cargo!
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
<thu...@iwon.com> wrote:
>On Sep 18, 6:42�pm, Jerry K. <sky...@pdq.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:25:53 -0700 (PDT), the unknown flailer
>>
>>
>> "having a JM endorsement don't necessarily make one a good
>> teacher. Theirs a need for maturity and some ability to read people so
>> you can adjust your instruction to gain maximum results"
>>
>> and then devotes the rest of it to about himself - some of it patently
>> and provenly false - and all of it the very familiar blocks of dried
>> dung Jinnie likes to stack up towards building and presenting a figure
>> he wishes to portray as himself to other people. �Lame.
>>
>> ...bsrp
>> ...jlk- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Glad you popped up bootee boy, your provide a perfect example of what
>I'm talking about....young, not too smart,
>can do but can't teach double proved by all these years in the sport
>and no JM or Coaching endorsement.
I thought you were talking about - at least to a very minimal extent -
solutions for Bob's pilot/bailout rig issue - and to a much, much
greater and disingenuous extent - yourself. But you don't really know
regarding another's coaching and JM creds, do you? And, umm - how
smart is it for you to be dropping more loads of crap, a'la you
supposedly started skydiving in "89 or 90" in a public forum where the
record - your own words - show decidedly different?
>Overblown ego covering up a fragile
>self esteem, wears pastel colors and bootee's to fake a knowledge of
>whats going on and impress the uninitiated novices.
You're projecting again, Jinnie. Overblown ego? That's your M.O.
Fragile self-esteem? Not me making up self-serving lies about time in
sport - among many other things - and especially not me pumping those
loads of crap out as if to establish some sort of bogus bonafides
towards what one is saying. Fake knowledge of what's going on? You've
made how many skydives in the last decade? Is that answer less than
two? Pastel colors? How convienent of you to forget your own blue
and yellow custom pastelled BodySport, Jinnie? You know, the one with
the daring slash of color coming off of one shoulder down to the
opposite wrist (true) ? Hand painted your protec yellow? No, Jinnie
- just keeping it real and lighting up your hypocrisy. If you weren't
so pathetic to tell stupid lies and demonstrate your hypocrisy on a
public forum, they wouldn't get pointed out and your nose wouldn't be
shoved into it...again.
>...A buy me a jump
>ticket, pay me to take your picture and I'll be your friend type
>whore.....Moving from DZ to DZ like a cheap street walker tsk tsk tsk,
>poor thing can't help itself.
Even if all that rhetorical BS was true, which it isn't, it still does
not change the fact that you are lying when you say you started
skydiving in "89 or 90." Typical boot ass Jinnie - slurs the
messenger because he has no answer for the message.
>This doesn't help the Yankee guy....As I see it he's going to have to
>cop a pilot pack to quell the nay sayers.
You weren't paying attention. Go back and read what Bob posted
regarding whether his pilot must have a bailout rig or not.
>I doubt his buddy being a civil pilot wants to wear it but if they
>have it with them and decide to use it for a seat cushion it still
>blocks the attempt to shut the nice thing he has going on down. Even
>if he went to Calif to jump at Lodi the same problem would be facing
>him when he got back to that hick airport, Yep a 2nd hand well used
>pilots chute is the only answer to solve his people trying to stop or
>discourage his Pilot buddy from putting him out of his Cessna problem.
According to Bob it's not an issue anymore but you apparently missed
that item.
>NOW! Are you going to put aside your petty jealousy long enough to
>help him find a solution
>or are you going to remain your pitiful girly boy self? ;-*
Shit, Jinnie - you gonna pull your head out of your ass or keep it
deep up in there? As for Bob, issue resolved and glad to hear it, and
as for your boot ass, 75 pushups for being caught out lying again.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
Poor Jinnie - undeniable fact cramping your (facade of a) style?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.skydiving/msg/734305368e9cdffa
< Oct 26 1995, 1:00 am>
"Just started two years ago "
Snuffy D-17105
* * *
Yo, dumbass - you went thru S/L when?
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>Hey girly boy, you going to try to help Bob with a possible solution
>or just waste bandwidth talking to and about your
>skydiving Hero from days gone by? 0~;)P
Bob's pilot/bailout rig issue isn't an issue anymore. You must have
missed that - pay attention. As for "hero's" or some such, you're
just a big, fat target and a lame ass troll - nothing special and
hardly unique ------- > Log it.
...bsrp
...jlk