Chucks a REMF
the unknown flailer
Tet...USMC was so desperate they put cooks, clerks and short fat boys
like Chuckles into line platoons and into
the field thense Hue before the USN.....Air Calvary, Arvn's and their
Advisors stole all the glory and the USMC became just a minor footnote
in the American battle plan Yarrrrrrr Har Har Har Jarheads--------go
figure 0~;-* 'le Chef
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
-The Ballad of Jinnie Smith-
The ballad of Jinnie so sing along,
sing along, sing along.
A comedy-tragedy in one large act,
Just so you know the score.
It turned out to be his final jump,
final jump, final jump.
He thought that he could steer and land,
but he didn't think it through.
He didn't practice on the ground,
on the ground, on the ground.
He knew better than all the rest,
Imagine his surprise.
He drifted a bit under canopy,
canopy, canopy.
Spotted bad and not high enough,
and he tried to make it back.
He tried to steer with one good arm,
one good arm, one good arm.
But he found a toggle out of reach,
no practice on the ground.
Into tarmac hard and fast,
hard and fast, hard and fast.
That's how he likes it - hard and fast,
he truly fucked himself.
He crashed and burned and broke himself,
broke himself, broke himself.
He thought before he'd be all right,
reality kicked him in the ass.
Now he knows so much more,
so much more, so much more.
Than anyone who has ever jumped,
and was able to walk away.
He claims he came from static line,
static line, static line.
Canopy ace and spot master,
or was there AFF?
Jinnie's gone and stepped in it,
stepped in it, stepped in it.
Jinne went and stepped in it,
he stepped in it again.
He recommends the toggle hook,
toggle hook, toggle hook.
It's okay to toggle hook,
he put it in the peas.
Listen well, to what he says,
what he says, what he says.
And if he's wrong, it was something else,
he meant entirely.
He is a lesson in what not to do,
not to do, not to do.
It could be worse, it could happen to you,
Don't let it happen to you.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
not likely to happen, how many semi paralized stroke vic's you think
their are lined up to jump Mr. cain't dock/gotta lurk? <g>
and another item on Chuck the bunker commando....I have it from good
sources if the
USMC had developed a chow line MOS.....ole chuckles wudda got one of
the first ones.
footnote to the item:.....you young flailers ain't got my wicked old
butt fooled.
Chuck sucks at formation work just like you kid so he developed a
excuse to stay out
of the center just like ewe....He took up old ragged out military gear
and water jumping
like you took up video to keep from causing too too many formation
funnels...That old gear/water thing serves two purposes for his fat
middle aged young ass though....He's not embarrased at postn dive and
he gets to live out his John Wayne dreams of glory----whiche he missed
in the 1960's Marines because he knobbed his way into a easy MOS....No
boonie humping for that REMF Chowhound----it eats his ass up that their
are sailors from that era that have more infantry training and field
experiance than a puss ass Marine PFC on crew served weapons though.
Take me I received a Platoon leaders gude upon graduation after about
48 weeks of intensive class room work & field training even though I
were just another sorry assed enlisted sailor and beer runnin River
CoVan at...A better Marine in the field and lither in the sky at a
older age than you or Chuck Gilbert though-----YOU BET YARRRRRRR
HOOYAH but to be honest my last landing did suck a bit
<smerk> 0~(;->>>
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
Of the list who had every opportunity to square away, get their shit
together, and practice on the ground what they intended to do in the
air - but didn't, there's only one I know about. Can't dock and gotta
lurk? Nope, seems that was your specialty. Just as I can cite
examples of you lurking and/or not doking, I can easily point to
formations with me on board, multiple formations, formations twice as
large as you were ever on - which doesn't mean much except to say, the
only image I've seen of you in the air, it was a solo.
>
>and another item on Chuck the bunker commando....I have it from good
>sources if the
>USMC had developed a chow line MOS.....ole chuckles wudda got one of
>the first ones.
Yeah, well - I have it on "good sources" you were a pretentious
blowhard during that short span of time you darkened dropzones.
>footnote to the item:.....you young flailers ain't got my wicked old
>butt fooled.
That's only because no one's ever bothered with it - given just how
you fool yourself all the time, no one can compete with that kind of
magnificent self-delusion.
>
>Chuck sucks at formation work just like you kid so he developed a
>excuse to stay out
>of the center just like ewe....
You're talking out of your ass again, Jinnie - making shit up that's
comforting to the rhetoric and based solely on suppositional
imagination. You've never seen any video of Chuck or me in freefall
but I have seen video of you in freefall. How's it go? Guess you
haven't been on too many bigways, eh kid?
>He took up old ragged out military gear
>and water jumping
>like you took up video to keep from causing too too many formation
>funnels...
So you'd like to imagine but you don't really know. As for me, I took
up video, and it's certainly not all the skydives I make by a
longshot, because another video geek was being spread thin and it was
a discipline I'd never tried. But then, there is that curious move on
your part, buying that fruity spandex sitsuit of yours. Fomration
funnels the root of that? I've seen video.
>That old gear/water thing serves two purposes for his fat
>middle aged young ass though....He's not embarrased at postn dive and
>he gets to live out his John Wayne dreams of glory----whiche he missed
>in the 1960's Marines because he knobbed his way into a easy MOS....No
>boonie humping for that REMF Chowhound----it eats his ass up that their
>are sailors from that era that have more infantry training and field
>experiance than a puss ass Marine PFC on crew served weapons though.
Post dives for you were just one big embarassment after another, eh?
You're projecting again, Jinnie. What's even more ludicrous is your
suggestion that there's some sort of purported experience-envy going
on, revolving around who did what, when, and how. This is your own
neurosis gobbling for attention - not his, near as I can tell.
>Take me I received a Platoon leaders gude upon graduation after about
>48 weeks of intensive class room work & field training even though I
>were just another sorry assed enlisted sailor and beer runnin River
>CoVan at...
Woopty shit and good for you. Save your bragging for the RV
newsgroup. So, you think you're better than someone else. Pretty
small to go around gargling about how you were this or that, as some
sort of small-minded chain-yank. Been my experience that the ones
that are the real deal don't feel the urge or the need to remind
everyone and their brother while the wannabees can do nothing but.
>A better Marine in the field and lither in the sky at a
>older age than you or Chuck Gilbert though-----
And woopty shit again. You have some sort of subjective opinion on
what you supposedly were at some point in time and this is supposed to
piss someone off - so you brag about it. As for age being thrown into
the mix, cut the crap - I know jumpers older than you who don't waste
their time pretending to be someone or something they never were.
>YOU BET YARRRRRRR
>HOOYAH but to be honest my last landing did suck a bit
The landing was what it was as a direct result of the preparation
(actually, lack thereof) prior. The reality is, you didn't square awa
and it bit you in the ass - I'd call that aspect of it more than just
a bit sucky.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
PAY ATTENTION SISSY BOY....this is about Chucks quality as a Marine, I
just thew in the skydiving comparison knowing you wud get yer pantys in
a knot ;->
to continue;
He went thru the short version of USMC boot camp 6 weeks, less than
half of the old 13
week course.....skipped AIT all together to go to Sill and learn crew
served weapons shit like how to break open ammo cases and take the
mortar shells out of their protection tubes then hump them to the
loader waiting in the pit <snarf> all this shit told on him in pre tet
Vietnam when he got pulled out of the weapons platoon and put out on
primeter patrol with a line platoon---the klutz fell into a flooded
bomb crater and lost part of his gear umm huh uh uh tsk tsk tsk.
NO Fleet Marine Force duty or training his whole hitch---STRAIGHT SHORE
DUTY MARINE ALL THE WAY!!! !! !!
Does not pass my benchmark for a good Marine from the 1950's and early
60's when I was still at sea with the Gator Navy, you know before I
specialized in river and land warfare----he's asuckass, scrounge and a
boot. Made PFC in bootcamp---claims it was his rifle range score---I
SUSPECT he was the D.I.'s house mouse and polished plenty of knob "if
you know what I mean!" ;}
getting that PFC stripe then politicking to get out of 311 dutys <eg>
mainly a suckass get in the rear with the gear type....same way as a
skydiver, gotta be important---gotta do something easy FRICKING SKATE
ASSED BOOTS :(P le chef
the unknown flailer
Hell ya wussy punk, it was just a compound break of the
Tibula in two places and split ankle cap on my bad leg....It healed,
good as new now and after 12 stainless screws and two plates I don't
even need a AFO to walk like I did before the jump..Ewe being a USTA
2000 wennie will never understand the way a pre 96 USPA balls to the
wall skydiver's mind works <;>
> >>
> >> Now he knows so much more,
> >> so much more, so much more.
> >> Than anyone who has ever jumped,
> >> and was able to walk away.
> >>
> >>
> >> He claims he came from static line,
> >> static line, static line.
> >> Canopy ace and spot master,
> >> or was there AFF?
> >>
> >>
> >> Jinnie's gone and stepped in it,
> >> stepped in it, stepped in it.
> >> Jinne went and stepped in it,
> >> he stepped in it again.
> >>
> >>
> >> He recommends the toggle hook,
> >> toggle hook, toggle hook.
> >> It's okay to toggle hook,
> >> he put it in the peas.
Yup no dening my old fashioned toggle hook skills....I put
that particular jump in the center of the peas at Waller in
1995----good thing to...if I hadda misjudged and landed outside the
peas or on that hard packed ring around the peas my Fumars wudda ended
up in my throat..To truely live you gotta roll the dice every once in a
while ya young sissy------a footnote on that-------The I&E Turoff was
trying to teach
a FJC how to PLF out by the peas when I swooped in DAMN was he mad...I
was going so fast I threw pea gravel 15/20 ft even though I stood it
up....You artta heard the yowling & grumbling...ah well Turoff like
most USPA Officials always was a Drama Queen heh heh heh
bwaaaaaahahahahaha bada bang bada bing ;>
> >>
> >>
> >> Listen well, to what he says,
> >> what he says, what he says.
> >> And if he's wrong, it was something else,
> >> he meant entirely.
Well now a modern sissyboy USTA type or fuddy duddy style
money jumper
might not appreciate my style but if any Balls to the Wall jumpers from
the 80's and 90's are still out there------>They know ya might get a
hair up yer ass any minute in the air and kinda bend the BSR's
> >> He is a lesson in what not to do,
> >> not to do, not to do.
> >> It could be worse, it could happen to you,
> >> Don't let it happen to you.
This is my advice; Live hard/die young.....old age ain't all its made
out to be.
Its a conspiricy by the Medical establishment to keep more people
living longer
in order to milk the Medicare system ya ya think about it kid
> >>
> >> ...bsrp
> >> ...jlk
> >
> >
> >not likely to happen, how many semi paralized stroke vic's you think
> >their are lined up to jump Mr. cain't dock/gotta lurk? <g>
>
> Of the list who had every opportunity to square away, get their shit
> together, and practice on the ground what they intended to do in the
> air - but didn't, there's only one I know about. Can't dock and gotta
> lurk? Nope, seems that was your specialty. Just as I can cite
> examples of you lurking and/or not doking, I can easily point to
> formations with me on board, multiple formations, formations twice as
> large as you were ever on - which doesn't mean much except to say, the
> only image I've seen of you in the air, it was a solo.
Thats cuz yew ain't seen much, Don't be sad thu----> it happens quite
often to know it all punks with their head up their ass
>
> >
> >and another item on Chuck the bunker commando....I have it from good
> >sources if the
> >USMC had developed a chow line MOS.....ole chuckles wudda got one of
> >the first ones.
>
> Yeah, well - I have it on "good sources" you were a pretentious
> blowhard during that short span of time you darkened dropzones.
Nae I lit the DZ up...set them skygod hemmoroids on fire every weekend,
lit the whole Waller area up <grin>
>
>
> >
> >Chuck sucks at formation work just like you kid so he developed a
> >excuse to stay out
> >of the center just like ewe....
>
> You're talking out of your ass again, Jinnie - making shit up that's
> comforting to the rhetoric and based solely on suppositional
> imagination. You've never seen any video of Chuck or me in freefall
> but I have seen video of you in freefall. How's it go? Guess you
> haven't been on too many bigways, eh kid?
one 48-way weed wacker and the rest were 4/8 and 20 ways....20 ways
were the average biggest at the time... SDC didn't start them Mega ways
till years later.
Go figure----HOOKING was frowned upon if not out right outlawed in my
day
and big ways above 20 were considered unsafe because of breakoff and
tracking lane disipline...I was ahead of my time sweety, you may bend
over and kiss my big wild BSR bending and hairy ass 0~;-*
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
No, the reality is this is about you needing to crow about your own
supposed "quality," overtly and/or implied with baseless assertions
concerning someone else - as per standard. Your transparency is a
lens and focused reality burns you every time.
>I
>just thew in the skydiving comparison knowing you wud get yer pantys in
>a knot ;->
Riiiight - just another "I meant to do that," essentially. Allright -
keeping that sort of bogus pomp in mind, it's not a far stretch to
consider that perhaps the fact that Chuck skydives, and as a matter of
fact, any consideration of anyone skydiving other than yourself, does
indeed twist your blue and yrllow pastel, Bodysport panties into a
knot of hemmoroidal proportions.
>
>to continue;
>
>He went thru the short version of USMC boot camp 6 weeks, less than
>half of the old 13
>week course.....
And this chaps your ass. It matters to you for some, no doubt,
twisted reason. Maybe he went thru what he went thru in X time, less
than half of some time that is more, to annoy you.
>skipped AIT all together to go to Sill and learn crew
>served weapons shit like how to break open ammo cases and take the
>mortar shells out of their protection tubes then hump them to the
>loader waiting in the pit <snarf>
Beyond you, who gives a shit about what he might have skipped,
learned, broke open, took, or moved? I say he saw service in a
conflict - just like you - and no matter how you spin it with your
self-serving bouts of comparison - you're not special, beyond your
clear as day "Special Needs," that is.
>all this shit told on him in pre tet
>Vietnam when he got pulled out of the weapons platoon and put out on
>primeter patrol with a line platoon---the klutz fell into a flooded
>bomb crater and lost part of his gear umm huh uh uh tsk tsk tsk.
Oh, and you never fell, lost your gear, or otherwise found yourself in
some situation which elicited some "tsk tsk" in someone else? So,
you're saying he fell short in some way and because you didn't fall
short in that way you are that much better. You got "Special Needs,"
is all.
>
>NO Fleet Marine Force duty or training his whole hitch---STRAIGHT SHORE
>DUTY MARINE ALL THE WAY!!! !! !!
Settle down, Beavis, lest you be reminded again of your own inability
to square away and think things through. Heheh - maybe you never fell
in a crater but it's damn for sure that if it wasn't for the solidity
of ground and/or tarmac, you sure mighta created a few.
>
>Does not pass my benchmark for a good Marine from the 1950's and early
>60's when I was still at sea with the Gator Navy,
Yeah, well - your assessment of what passes some cooked up "benchmark"
of your own comforting rhetorical fantasies has about as much impact
(into earth or concrete, not withstanding) as your own truncated stint
posing as an active skydiver.
>you know before I
>specialized in river and land warfare----he's asuckass,
No one is a suckass compared to you, given just how prolific you are
in sucking your own ass, Mister river and land warfare "specialist."
> scrounge and a
>boot.
Oh, the shame of it all! Take comfort, Jinnie - because you say
Chuck's a scrounge and a suckass and a boot, you are certainly
implying that you are not any of those things. Whoopty shit and have
a party. Someone else's failings, no matter the realities, mustn't
let those inconvienent things get in the way, doesn't make you
special.
>Made PFC in bootcamp---claims it was his rifle range score---I
>SUSPECT he was the D.I.'s house mouse and polished plenty of knob "if
>you know what I mean!" ;}
What we got going on here is either Navy code or rampant jealousy.
Probably a little of both. Go get some Preparation-H, while you're at
it.
>getting that PFC stripe then politicking to get out of 311 dutys <eg>
>mainly a suckass get in the rear with the gear type....same way as a
>skydiver, gotta be important---gotta do something easy FRICKING SKATE
>ASSED BOOTS
A word of wisdom, Jinnie - leave the past to its own - your little
hissy-fits ain't gonna change it. Leave the military to the military
- your past involvement was what it was and came to an end when you
quit----->pussy. And leave skydiving to the skydiving - your past
involvement was what it was and came to an end (quickly, too) when you
screwed the pooch and rendred yourself incapable of taking it
anymore-------->dumbfuck.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
Just a tumble in the park, eh? Don't forget the face-plant. You
certainly didn't walk away-------->pretty sylish set of injuries for
a landing so bad you weren't capable of walking away.
>It healed,
>good as new
Not that your ability to make another skydive ever healed back.
>now and after 12 stainless screws and two plates I don't
>even need a AFO to walk like I did before the jump..
Should have traded in that AFO for a little ability to think things
through.
>Ewe being a USTA
>2000 wennie will never understand the way a pre 96 USPA balls to the
>wall skydiver's mind works <;>
Oh, I can understand it but as a skydiver, can't relate to the idea of
expressedly not thinking things through before making a jump coming
off of an incapacitating medical issue.
>> >>
>> >> Now he knows so much more,
>> >> so much more, so much more.
>> >> Than anyone who has ever jumped,
>> >> and was able to walk away.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> He claims he came from static line,
>> >> static line, static line.
>> >> Canopy ace and spot master,
>> >> or was there AFF?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Jinnie's gone and stepped in it,
>> >> stepped in it, stepped in it.
>> >> Jinne went and stepped in it,
>> >> he stepped in it again.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> He recommends the toggle hook,
>> >> toggle hook, toggle hook.
>> >> It's okay to toggle hook,
>> >> he put it in the peas.
>
> Yup no dening my old fashioned toggle hook skills....I put
>that particular jump in the center of the peas at Waller in
>1995----good thing to...if I hadda misjudged and landed outside the
>peas or on that hard packed ring around the peas my Fumars wudda ended
>up in my throat..
I wouldn't call executing it once as a "skill," but more like,
dumb-luck - the sun shone on your ass, good for you. The canopy was
flying you, not the other way around - a circumstance you often found
yourself repeating.
>To truely live you gotta roll the dice every once in a
>while ya young sissy------
There's rolling the dice and then there's rolling the dice which you
stupidly load against yourself. But this isn't dice. Then there's
loading the chamber, taking it for a spin, and squeezing. But this
isn't russian roulette, either. It was what it was. Cranking a
toggle, ostensibly to "truely live," is the stuff of morons and yet
another epitome of not thinking things through.
>a footnote on that-------The I&E Turoff was
>trying to teach
>a FJC how to PLF out by the peas when I swooped in DAMN was he mad...I
>was going so fast I threw pea gravel 15/20 ft even though I stood it
>up....
A swoop presupposes some sort of horizontal motion involved where, by
your description, what was going on here was you essentially crashing
in, in the vertical sense and I'm thinking it wasn't so much the
impact which might have brought his comments to bear upon you but the
clearly uncontrolled sequence of events, the lack of thinking things
through, which might have brought about your, at that point in time,
latest go-round of having someone who knew better than you blister
your dumb ass for being a dumbass.
>You artta heard the yowling & grumbling...ah well Turoff like
>most USPA Officials always was a Drama Queen
Hell, maybe it was just a skydiver looking out for another - this was
back in the 90's, you know - back when it was okay to be affiliated
with USPA, eh?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Listen well, to what he says,
>> >> what he says, what he says.
>> >> And if he's wrong, it was something else,
>> >> he meant entirely.
> Well now a modern sissyboy USTA type or fuddy duddy style
>money jumper
>might not appreciate my style
Style. This assessement from the very same dingleberry or "styled"
himself out of the sport and into broken-jumper oblivion.
>but if any Balls to the Wall jumpers from
>the 80's and 90's are still out there------>They know ya might get a
>hair up yer ass any minute in the air and kinda bend the BSR's
Bending the BSR's is all cake, as long as you can pull it off without
fucking yourself or anyone else. You fucked others and you fucked
yourself. Your current non-jumping circumstances, not to mention the
accounts of those who remember, are all testament to the difference
between "Balls to the Wall" and outright, selfish and boneheaded
stupidity.
>
>> >> He is a lesson in what not to do,
>> >> not to do, not to do.
>> >> It could be worse, it could happen to you,
>> >> Don't let it happen to you.
>
>This is my advice; Live hard/die young.....old age ain't all its made
>out to be.
Yeah, yeah - but it beats the alternative, so quit the "I'm old"
martyr crap. How's it go? There's old and there's bold but there
ain't any old & bold. You often crow about or use it as an excuse,
the idea of relative age somehow differentiating between yourself and
whatever self-serving hemmoroid you're working at the moment but the
truth of it is, unless you're a hypocrite, which has often been
demonstrated here before, you're still breathing so you ain't bold,
and as hard as you purport to have lived (nevermind the satellite tv
and internet connection), age and youth are subjective. Besides, with
your record, advice from you is to be taken with the appropriate
boulder of salt.
>Its a conspiricy by the Medical establishment to keep more people
>living longer
>in order to milk the Medicare system ya ya think about it kid
I think you're barking at shadows (again). No one, unless they are
incapable of taking themselve's out, can be kept alive longer than
they want to.
>> >>
>> >> ...bsrp
>> >> ...jlk
>> >
>> >
>> >not likely to happen, how many semi paralized stroke vic's you think
>> >their are lined up to jump Mr. cain't dock/gotta lurk? <g>
>>
>> Of the list who had every opportunity to square away, get their shit
>> together, and practice on the ground what they intended to do in the
>> air - but didn't, there's only one I know about. Can't dock and gotta
>> lurk? Nope, seems that was your specialty. Just as I can cite
>> examples of you lurking and/or not doking, I can easily point to
>> formations with me on board, multiple formations, formations twice as
>> large as you were ever on - which doesn't mean much except to say, the
>> only image I've seen of you in the air, it was a solo.
>
> Thats cuz yew ain't seen much, Don't be sad thu----> it happens quite
>often to know it all punks with their head up their ass
Seen a helluva lot more than you. True, not much, but as compared to
you, worlds more. Doesn't make me better, doesn't make you worse, but
by comparison, you-------->a boot.
>>
>> >
>> >and another item on Chuck the bunker commando....I have it from good
>> >sources if the
>> >USMC had developed a chow line MOS.....ole chuckles wudda got one of
>> >the first ones.
>>
>> Yeah, well - I have it on "good sources" you were a pretentious
>> blowhard during that short span of time you darkened dropzones.
>
>Nae I lit the DZ up...set them skygod hemmoroids on fire every weekend,
>lit the whole Waller area up <grin>
You found a place in people's memories, that's for sure. Memories,
complete with rolling eyes and the occasional laughing bout of
derision, the common threads surfacing, "idiot & dumbfuck."
>>
>>
>> >
>> >Chuck sucks at formation work just like you kid so he developed a
>> >excuse to stay out
>> >of the center just like ewe....
>>
>> You're talking out of your ass again, Jinnie - making shit up that's
>> comforting to the rhetoric and based solely on suppositional
>> imagination. You've never seen any video of Chuck or me in freefall
>> but I have seen video of you in freefall. How's it go? Guess you
>> haven't been on too many bigways, eh kid?
>
>one 48-way weed wacker and the rest were 4/8 and 20 ways....
Not that you were ever in that formation - you did say that you wanted
to get that uspa 36way cookie, which you never did. So, if you were
in that 48-way, how come you didn't send off for the hardware - like
you did for every other little uspa award you had a chance of getting
in the mail? You've often said if it ain't on video, it never
happened - I wanna see the video, poser.
>20 ways
>were the average biggest at the time...
Gee, with all that suggested 20way "experience," it's amazing you
never participated in the TeXXas 20ways? Why is that? Them big, bad,
meanie skygods somehow neglect to invite you along???
>SDC didn't start them Mega ways
>till years later.
Nevermind there was Texas State Record attempts going on and the
bigways at Ballunar - oh, wait - those were invitational.
Whatsamatter, Cinderella? No one ever invited you to the dance???
>Go figure----HOOKING was frowned upon if not out right outlawed in my
>day
Your day. Spare us the presumption. Your "day" was short and the
only mark you made in your "day" was in the memories stored in that
part of people's minds relegated for the boneheads and idiots and,
perhaps, the marks in the sod you left after your landings.
>and big ways above 20 were considered unsafe because of breakoff and
>tracking lane disipline...
Heh - they were considered unsafe with you as part of the equation.
Came to discipline and your demonstrated lack. People remember.
>I was ahead of my time sweety, you may bend
>over and kiss my big wild BSR bending and hairy ass
No, as in all things skydiving and even now, you were well behind the
curve and hurtling, out of control. The undeniable realties caught up
with you and you're out, so you're left with posturing here in this
little backwater of the usenet. Just to bad that this little pasture
of your own reality doesn't juxtapose too well with the realities and
while your feelings will still get brusied, battered, and even broken
as you crash and burn with every uncontrolled assertion, brag, and
chain-yank, it won't send you to the hospital like your last foray
into skydiving on the material plain once did.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 25 Apr 2006 13:50:36 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> On 21 Apr 2006 15:03:17 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> >> On 20 Apr 2006 11:59:25 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> >> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Sat behind the wire on crew served weapons for all his tour except
> >> >> >Tet...USMC was so desperate they put cooks, clerks and short fat boys
> >> >> >like Chuckles into line platoons and into
> >> >> >the field thense Hue before the USN.....Air Calvary, Arvn's and their
> >> >> >Advisors stole all the glory and the USMC became just a minor footnote
> >> >> >in the American battle plan Yarrrrrrr Har Har Har Jarheads--------go
> >> >> >figure 0~;-* 'le Chef
>
> >2000 wennie will never understand the way a pre 96 USPA balls to the
> >wall skydiver's mind works <;>
>
> Oh, I can understand it but as a skydiver, can't relate to the idea of
> expressedly not thinking things through before making a jump coming
> off of an incapacitating medical issue.
I had a window of opportunity...no time to dwattle hanging harness,
shudda cudda wudda------
Shudda jumped my Falcon, cudda reached both toggles.
Cudda set around wondering the rest of my life.
Wudda taken more time if not for the scairdy cat nature of skydivers in
general
Just standing in the wings waiting to stop a pysically challanged
person. Why, when they really prefer somebody bounce so they can say "I
TOLD YOU SO?"
Cuz if a Hemi pulls it off ----it will devalue the danger factor and oh
yeah....they wouldn't be able to say "I told you so and feel superior."
Vanity---the worst of human nature Jerry and you have a foam at the
mouth raving case of it ;->
My feet were horizontal to the old apartment hanger over by the peas on
the bottom of the hooks J. I stood up dead center in the peas, no slide
at all....Coming off the swing of the J..... I immediatly hit the
peas...A riser style hooker couldn't have done it...they get good turf
surf but my trick required not only a swing out but immediatly down or
end up in the pond at the end of that J. Ever seen anybody hook that
low and live to walk away kid? Sayyyy are you jealous ain't ya kiddo?
hummmmm hummmmmm? eat up with it sweety? ;>
>
> >You artta heard the yowling & grumbling...ah well Turoff like
> >most USPA Officials always was a Drama Queen
>
> Hell, maybe it was just a skydiver looking out for another
Nope, like most skygods he prefered a bounce I think so he could say "I
told you so!"
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Listen well, to what he says,
> >> >> what he says, what he says.
> >> >> And if he's wrong, it was something else,
> >> >> he meant entirely.
>
> > Well now a modern sissyboy USTA type or fuddy duddy style
> >money jumper
> >might not appreciate my style
>
> Style. This assessement from the very same dingleberry or "styled"
> himself out of the sport and into broken-jumper oblivion.
Hard living, and a massive stroke at 1 am in the morning at my
apartment on the Monday following Easter weekend in 1996 ended my
career kid---don't kid yourself. Better than a bounce but not by much
<evil grin>
I was dead when EMS came and clinically dead when they revived me at
the hospital...so your'e wrong again kid...The up side to all of this
is they gave me life like Frankinstine so I can hassle little USTA
sissy boys
-------------------------------smootchie bootchie
Jer-------------------------------------------
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
Oh, tell us another, Jinnie. No time - none too zen budda-kup. What,
that window so small you couldn't burn ~3 minutes~ hooking up to a
harness and doing a simple (not so simple in reality) reach to the
toggles and unstow? Window of opportunity was gonna forever close,
right then and there? How's that go? Better to be on the ground
wishing you were in the air than in the air wishing you were on the
ground? What, the tomorrow (or three minutes later) not gonna be
another day (or moment)?
>
>Shudda jumped my Falcon, cudda reached both toggles.
Maybe "shudda" taken steps to jump that Falcon. Who's responsibility
was that to get things squared away?
>
>Cudda set around wondering the rest of my life.
Oh, right - like there was just that one, single moment which that
jump could only occur.
>
>Wudda taken more time if not for the scairdy cat nature of skydivers in
>general
Hell, not any of them so scared of losing some phantasmagorical
"window of opportunity" that they don't get their shit together and
square away. So, now the blame is leveling at other skydivers. That
fits.
>Just standing in the wings waiting to stop a pysically challanged
>person.
Naw, that was just skydivers looking out for someone else. Anyone
going back into the air after a debilitating medical issue and a long
layoff is gonna be under scrutiny. Then, you factor in how much of a
jackass you often proved yourself to be prior to the medical issue
and, yeah - people gonna have an eagle eye on the potential shitstorm
coming down.
>Why, when they really prefer somebody bounce so they can say "I
>TOLD YOU SO?"
No, that's your imagination. Unless you're saying those at the event
we're proved right and they were in your face telling you, I told you
so. Is that the problem? Those other skydivers who were just looking
out for another skydiver prior to the jump turned out to be right in
their concerns and rubbing your face in it when you proved them right?
Welcome to skydiving - if you're gonna dish, you're gonna take and at
least someone took the time, amidst the no doubt serious dancing party
of "I told you so's!" to call an ambulance.
>Cuz if a Hemi pulls it off ----it will devalue the danger factor and oh
>yeah....they wouldn't be able to say "I told you so and feel superior."
Oh, I see - the caution being urged was in reality, only motivated by
a desire to maintain the concept of skydiving as dangerous, and
therefore ego-centrically laudable in their own personal (and
subjective) sense. They wanted it to fail so they could say, "I told
you so and feel superior." Well, um, aside from that being one of the
more stupid assertions you've ever made (and there's been a lot), you
could have squared away, thought things through, and done things right
- you know, ~proved them wrong~ but, I guess that was just impossible,
what with all those people hoping so hard for failure. It was all
their fault, clearly.
Got news for ya, Jinnie - you're not the first person who ever faced
some debilitating medical issue and came back to skydiving. As a
matter of fact, there's many who got their shit together and did it
right - even with that onslaught of everyone else slavering for
another opportunity to sneer, "I told you so," and feel superior.
> Vanity---the worst of human nature Jerry and you have a foam at the
>mouth raving case of it
And you base this assertion on what? All you know for sure is that
with your opining excuses, whines, and drivelling chain-yanks, comes
pedantic deconstruction on my part, assisted by inconvienent reality
plus some derision and ridicule - the upshot being the prospect of the
Mutually Assured Killfile. Everything else is just a guess. Not me
bragging on the RV newsgroup about being some "National Medallist." No
one else but you blathering one's self as some "Land and River Warfare
Specialist." And the list of your own personal pronouncements, all
painting you as extraordinary, but simply vain to the extreme is long
and sordid. If having your number and boxing your ears for rapmpantly
self-centered and errant stupidity is vain, oh woe, I'll just try to
live with myself, "Mister Budda-Kup Warrior."
Like I said, no horizontal movement - you were crashing in. But, even
then, even if there was some sort of horizontal movement involved,
your own description, what with femur injuries if you weren't in the
peas or on the edge of them - this was not a swoop and only a crash.
>A riser style hooker couldn't have done it...
Bullshit - anyone can turn a canopy too low and hit the ground in the
middle of the corner. The difference is, most people recognize being
in the corner, no matter how long, or the results of being there, good
or bad, walk away or not, is the stuff of idiots.
>they get good turf
>surf but my trick required not only a swing out but immediatly down or
>end up in the pond at the end of that J.
Which begs the question, what were you doing, flying yourself to where
your only choices were cranking a toggle with only the peas between
you and serious injury and taking it into the pond? Hence, my
suggestion that it wasn't so much you crashing into the peas while
someone was trying to teach a PLF class but the clearly uncontrolled
sequence of events, the lack of thinking things through which brought
the lastest slap-down on your ass.
>Ever seen anybody hook that
>low and live to walk away kid?
Depends on how low you're talking about - what distance are you
talking, from top of the turn to impact? Just the same, for the grace
of peas it worked out - nothing to be proud about - it doesn't make
you special, beyond the whole idea clearly having "Special Needs."
>Sayyyy are you jealous ain't ya kiddo?
>hummmmm hummmmmm? eat up with it sweety?
Heh - you wish. If the pissing contest here is how low someone has
turned to land and walked away, oh, I am just green, I am,I am. Guess
I'll have to console myself with remaining current this weekend.
>>
>> >You artta heard the yowling & grumbling...ah well Turoff like
>> >most USPA Officials always was a Drama Queen
>>
>> Hell, maybe it was just a skydiver looking out for another
>
>Nope, like most skygods he prefered a bounce I think so he could say "I
>told you so!"
Ah, so MT's a "skygod" now, eh? Needing the physical manifestation of
death so he could utter words expressing himself as right. You're not
just stupid, Jinnie - you're pathetic. Whatsamatter, Jinnie - he
once make a call to fill that final slot on some bigway with the
addendum, "Not you!"
Come to think of it, I can remember you warning me about death,
imagining my demise in the sport. Is this an example of some skygod
preferring a bounce? When and if I go in (knock wood), you gonna say
"I told you so."
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Listen well, to what he says,
>> >> >> what he says, what he says.
>> >> >> And if he's wrong, it was something else,
>> >> >> he meant entirely.
>>
>> > Well now a modern sissyboy USTA type or fuddy duddy style
>> >money jumper
>> >might not appreciate my style
>>
>> Style. This assessement from the very same dingleberry or "styled"
>> himself out of the sport and into broken-jumper oblivion.
>
>Hard living, and a massive stroke at 1 am in the morning at my
>apartment on the Monday following Easter weekend in 1996 ended my
>career kid---don't kid yourself. Better than a bounce but not by much
Just the same, you did say that your ~plan~ was to make a comeback -
get back to your 120 or so per year - and you did make that jump so
quibble all you want, you made a comeback jump and continued the
career but it was over before you left the ground - pretty much when
you climbed in the plane without thinking things through.
Not that you were actually trying to off yourself, let alone capable,
of course - unless you'd care to re-write this latest, turgid chapter.
"You were fighting, fighting, but that damn medical establishment was
just too strong for this River and Land Warfare Specialist." That how
it goes?
>The up side to all of this
>is they gave me life like Frankinstine so I can hassle little USTA
>sissy boys
Call it what you will, I see the metaphor of the frog's leg jumping
when a little juice is applied as more apt to the way you dance.
Hassle? Take it to a DZ and give it a try, why doncha? Until then,
only one sissy in this conversation and he ain't jumping.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 25 Apr 2006 10:20:40 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> On 21 Apr 2006 15:03:17 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> >> On 20 Apr 2006 11:59:25 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> >> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Sat behind the wire on crew served weapons for all his tour except
> >> >> >Tet...USMC was so desperate they put cooks, clerks and short fat boys
> >> >> >the field thense Hue before the USN.....Air Calvary, Arvn's and their
> >> >> >Advisors stole all the glory and the USMC became just a minor footnote
> >> >> >in the American battle plan Yarrrrrrr Har Har Har Jarheads--------go
> >> >> >figure 0~;-* 'le Chef
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -The Ballad of Jinnie Smith-
Not better....Its just ironic I joined the USN to stay out of the Army
& Marines---
Got screwed blued and tatooed didn't I? ~to coin an old
phrase ;)
> >> >A better Marine in the field and lither in the sky at a
> >> >older age than you or Chuck Gilbert though-----
> >>
> >> ...jlk
> >
> >PAY ATTENTION SISSY BOY....this is about Chucks quality as a Marine,
>
> No, the reality is this is about you needing to crow about your own
> supposed "quality," overtly and/or implied with baseless assertions
> concerning someone else - as per standard. Your transparency is a
> lens and focused reality burns you every time.
>
> >I
> >just thew in the skydiving comparison knowing you wud get yer pantys in
> >a knot ;->
>
> Riiiight - just another "I meant to do that," essentially. Allright -
> keeping that sort of bogus pomp in mind, it's not a far stretch to
> consider that perhaps the fact that Chuck skydives, and as a matter of
> fact, any consideration of anyone skydiving other than yourself, does
> indeed twist your blue and yrllow pastel, Bodysport panties into a
> knot of hemmoroidal proportions.
>
>
> >
> >to continue;
> >
> >He went thru the short version of USMC boot camp 6 weeks, less than
> >half of the old 13
> >week course.....
>
> And this chaps your ass. It matters to you for some, no doubt,
> twisted reason. Maybe he went thru what he went thru in X time, less
> than half of some time that is more, to annoy you.
Having advoided serving your country somehow----you like many femine
types would never understand------I Suffered, all loud mouthed boots
need to suffer is my attitude...Like Jimbo he went in 10 or 15 years
after I got out of bootcamp, hell I had done 2 or 3 hitchs and got out
before the boot joined....So the boot was giving me shit then I found
out NRTC allowed them to use liquid soap instead of those old yellow
bars of lye soap and a bucket to carry water to scrub their cloths
probably let them use water hoses also--------TOTALLY CHAPPED MY OLD
ASS
> >Then ole Chuckie cheeze----The Gomer of the USMC ups and
> >skipped AIT all together to go to Sill and learn crew
> >served weapons shit like how to break open ammo cases and take the
> >mortar shells out of their protection tubes then hump them to the
> >loader waiting in the pit...Wants to Lord it over the real Salts and claim he was
John Wayne incarnate hizself just for being a Jarhead <snarf> WHAT A
JOKE
>
> Beyond you, who gives a shit about what he might have skipped,
> learned, broke open, took, or moved? I say he saw service in a
> conflict - just like you - and no matter how you spin it with your
> self-serving bouts of comparison - you're not special, beyond your
> clear as day "Special Needs," that is.
You got a point Jerry, as poor of a excuse for a Marine that he
was....he's better than your draft dodging less than zero butt ;->
>
> >all this shit told on him in pre tet
> >Vietnam when he got pulled out of the weapons platoon and put out on
> >primeter patrol with a line platoon---the klutz fell into a flooded
> >bomb crater and lost part of his gear umm huh uh uh tsk tsk tsk.
>
> Oh, and you never fell, lost your gear, or otherwise found yourself in
> some situation which elicited some "tsk tsk" in someone else? So,
> you're saying he fell short in some way and because you didn't fall
> short in that way you are that much better. You got "Special Needs,"
> is all.
He's a know nothing boot is what I'm saying....a Speckwar
grouppie...Shit Regular sailors, Army 11 Bravo's and Marine 311's did
most of the fighting and dieing in S.E.
Asia------->NOT SPECIAL FORCES TYPES....While their contribution was
and
always will be important, Hollywood and guys like Chuck still out
there playing G.I. Joe with that surplus military gear has blown it all
out of prorportion. I see it as trying to relieve the 2nd Indo China
war as Force Recon rather than the REMF he really was.
Take me, with all that training...I just basically trained indigs then
went out on patrol with
then----They did all the fighting---I was just kinda coaching their
Officers and NCO's in the field in the background and talking to FAC
and other Advisors on the PRC25...The VNN
and their enemy did all the dieing....Nothing to it, like being a Mafia
Don or gang leader-
~ONLY WAY TO FIGHT AN INSURGENT WAR~
keeps US casualtys down, you see <g>
> >NO Fleet Marine Force duty or training his whole hitch---STRAIGHT SHORE
> >DUTY MARINE ALL THE WAY!!! !! !!
>
> Settle down, Beavis
I am now officially a old S.O.B.----Got the membership and badge of
office this morning...a group of women pinned me at breakfast---WOO WOO
another warfare pin, just what I need for my wall---something to prove
I'mm good at pissing people under 65 off <eg>
> >
> >Does not pass my benchmark for a good Marine from the 1950's and early
> >60's when I was still at sea with the Gator Navy,
>
> Yeah, well - your assessment of what passes some cooked up "benchmark"
> of your own comforting rhetorical fantasies has about as much impact
> (into earth or concrete, not withstanding) as your own truncated stint
> posing as an active skydiver.
>
> >you know before I
> >specialized in river and land warfare----he's asuckass,
>
> No one is a suckass compared to you, given just how prolific you are
> in sucking your own ass, Mister river and land warfare "specialist."
>
> > scrounge and a
> >boot.
>
> Oh, the shame of it all! Take comfort, Jinnie - because you say
> Chuck's a scrounge and a suckass and a boot,
Not a boot to 99%----only to the WW2 Veterans still living, a boot to
them perhaps.
I', still in the habit of taking shaving my head & showering every day,
put on clean skivvies daily also---Do I don't pass the scrounge test
either. Pissed off enough skygods around the DZ's----and am in enough
kill files on wreck to prove I'm no suckass either.
so thats three strikes you USTA fancygirl and your out ;)P
you are certainly
> implying that you are not any of those things. Whoopty shit and have
> a party. Someone else's failings, no matter the realities, mustn't
> let those inconvienent things get in the way, doesn't make you
> special.
>
> >Made PFC in bootcamp---claims it was his rifle range score---I
> >SUSPECT he was the D.I.'s house mouse and polished plenty of knob "if
> >you know what I mean!" ;}
>
> What we got going on here is either Navy code or rampant jealousy.
> Probably a little of both. Go get some Preparation-H, while you're at
> it.
>
> >getting that PFC stripe then politicking to get out of 311 dutys <eg>
> >mainly a suckass get in the rear with the gear type....same way as a
> >skydiver, gotta be important---gotta do something easy FRICKING SKATE
> >ASSED BOOTS
>
-------->dumbfuck.
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
You always resort to calling people names when you cain't win kid? WOW
Tsk Tsk Tsk
thats so skygoddy of you BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAA 0~;-*
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 28 Apr 2006 09:50:07 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> On 25 Apr 2006 13:50:36 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> >> On 21 Apr 2006 15:03:17 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> >> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> >> >> On 20 Apr 2006 11:59:25 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> >> >> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
BTW your'e studdering reminds me Jerr. Where's that south beach faggot,
Biggy Jim? He wuz moaning about kill files----finally lost his nerve
and bailed huh?
I see people with kill files as weak. & having short attention
spans..Just like a Company or Platoon would be that didn't put out
L.P.'s when they dug in or laugered up for the night....You mean your
actually tougher mentally & spiritually than at least one other young
USTA wennie boy Jerry? Give yerself a Attaboy for hanging with the old
man! 0~;)P
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
There's a bit of irony in you gassing about years after the fact to a
bunch of skydivers.
So, you're twisted because someone you never met purportedly never
served in your own subjective sense. You got some serious hemmoroids.
>I Suffered, all loud mouthed boots
>need to suffer is my attitude...
These "loud mouthed boots," as you put it - essentially, anyone who
has the gall to call you on your dumbass pronouncements, apparently
see right through your crap - and you could plop out a killfile but to
imagine that somebody might be saying shit about you - insufferable,
eh?
>Like Jimbo he went in 10 or 15 years
>after I got out of bootcamp, hell I had done 2 or 3 hitchs and got out
>before the boot joined....So the boot was giving me shit then I found
>out NRTC allowed them to use liquid soap instead of those old yellow
>bars of lye soap and a bucket to carry water to scrub their cloths
>probably let them use water hoses also--------TOTALLY CHAPPED MY OLD
>ASS
You could get off your ass and effect a change in things - instead of
just being a little whiny shit about it.
>
>> >Then ole Chuckie cheeze----The Gomer of the USMC ups and
>> >skipped AIT all together to go to Sill and learn crew
>> >served weapons shit like how to break open ammo cases and take the
>> >mortar shells out of their protection tubes then hump them to the
>> >loader waiting in the pit...Wants to Lord it over the real Salts and claim he was
>John Wayne incarnate hizself just for being a Jarhead <snarf> WHAT A
>JOKE
The translation here being the presence (on a newsgroup) of someone
else with a military background chaps your ass - which is interesting
since you also wiggle your chapped ass around concerning others with
supposedly ~no~ military background. Comes down to you just being an
abject whiner.
>>
>> Beyond you, who gives a shit about what he might have skipped,
>> learned, broke open, took, or moved? I say he saw service in a
>> conflict - just like you - and no matter how you spin it with your
>> self-serving bouts of comparison - you're not special, beyond your
>> clear as day "Special Needs," that is.
>
>You got a point Jerry, as poor of a excuse for a Marine that he
>was....he's better than your draft dodging less than zero butt
Sure, the point is clearly laid out - you think you're special.
Special enough to gas about how special you are ad naseum. The truth
of the matter is, you're not. You lack zen.
>>
>> >all this shit told on him in pre tet
>> >Vietnam when he got pulled out of the weapons platoon and put out on
>> >primeter patrol with a line platoon---the klutz fell into a flooded
>> >bomb crater and lost part of his gear umm huh uh uh tsk tsk tsk.
>>
>> Oh, and you never fell, lost your gear, or otherwise found yourself in
>> some situation which elicited some "tsk tsk" in someone else? So,
>> you're saying he fell short in some way and because you didn't fall
>> short in that way you are that much better. You got "Special Needs,"
>> is all.
>
>He's a know nothing boot is what I'm saying....
And this matters how? I mean, beyond how much it's chapping your ass?
>a Speckwar
>grouppie...Shit Regular sailors, Army 11 Bravo's and Marine 311's did
>most of the fighting and dieing in S.E.
>Asia------->NOT SPECIAL FORCES TYPES....
So, you're seeing the bar being raised where who did the majority of
the fighting and dieing. The failing here is raising that bar in the
first place. Everyone who served, served. Everyone who died, died.
Being member, certainly a surviving member of some body which did or
did not make some sort of contribution which is later assessed as
being in some majority or minority, does not make that person special,
either - though, through your own chickenshit reasonings being
dictated by often out of context comparison - it is the epitome of
special - especially when you can heap that idea of special upon your
own, self-centered ass.
>While their contribution was
>and
>always will be important, Hollywood and guys like Chuck still out
>there playing G.I. Joe with that surplus military gear has blown it all
>out of prorportion.
Especially since that bubble of proportion doesn't seem to include you
and/or what you feel you represent. Got news for ya Jinnie -
ex-sailor queens sometimes find themselves playing pretend Navy, too.
>I see it as trying to relieve the 2nd Indo China
>war as Force Recon rather than the REMF he really was.
I see it as you trying to relive the whole thing. And reliving it to
the point of you more than once, getting busted for lies,
contradiction, and just plain getting shit wrong, and trying to relive
it to the point to where this reliving has no choice but to demand
that not just your aspect, but everyone's aspect, even aspects where
you were not a part of things, conform to your own, very narrow view
of just how things actually were. None too zen, budda-kup.
>Take me, with all that training...I just basically trained indigs then
>went out on patrol with
>then----They did all the fighting---I was just kinda coaching their
>Officers and NCO's in the field in the background and talking to FAC
>and other Advisors on the PRC25...The VNN
>and their enemy did all the dieing....Nothing to it, like being a Mafia
>Don or gang leader-
> ~ONLY WAY TO FIGHT AN INSURGENT WAR~
> keeps US casualtys down, you see
So, what I'm seeing here, when you rail against others with some sort
of other experience which may or may not have crossed over into your
own sphere, is little more than xenophobia and caste consciousness
when it comes to consideration of others involved in the same
conflict, and by connection considering any conflict, because it is a
conflict, you have no other impulse than to make comparisons. What's
telling here is just how consistant you are in extolling your own
sphere while damning all others as you make thse comparisons.
>
>
>> >NO Fleet Marine Force duty or training his whole hitch---STRAIGHT SHORE
>> >DUTY MARINE ALL THE WAY!!! !! !!
>>
>> Settle down, Beavis
>
>I am now officially a old S.O.B.----Got the membership and badge of
>office this morning...a group of women pinned me at breakfast---WOO WOO
>another warfare pin, just what I need for my wall---something to prove
>I'mm good at pissing people under 65 off
Sorry, Jinnie - being old ain't no excuse for stupid. I know lots of
very sharp people, much older than you.
>> >
>> >Does not pass my benchmark for a good Marine from the 1950's and early
>> >60's when I was still at sea with the Gator Navy,
>>
>> Yeah, well - your assessment of what passes some cooked up "benchmark"
>> of your own comforting rhetorical fantasies has about as much impact
>> (into earth or concrete, not withstanding) as your own truncated stint
>> posing as an active skydiver.
>>
>> >you know before I
>> >specialized in river and land warfare----he's asuckass,
>>
>> No one is a suckass compared to you, given just how prolific you are
>> in sucking your own ass, Mister river and land warfare "specialist."
>>
>> > scrounge and a
>> >boot.
>>
>> Oh, the shame of it all! Take comfort, Jinnie - because you say
>> Chuck's a scrounge and a suckass and a boot,
>
>Not a boot to 99%----only to the WW2 Veterans still living, a boot to
>them perhaps.
Which is kinda funny, given how you've often labelled him a boot - and
you certainly ain't no vet of WWII.
>I', still in the habit of taking shaving my head & showering every day,
>put on clean skivvies daily also---Do I don't pass the scrounge test
>either. Pissed off enough skygods around the DZ's----and am in enough
>kill files on wreck to prove I'm no suckass either.
>so thats three strikes you USTA fancygirl and your out
Hell, you're no longer implying, you're just out and out saying
Chuck's this and you're not. Those hemmoroids do seem to have a
strong influence in your expression. What's the deal with that? You
get a free applicator with every gross of PreperationH?
>
>
>you are certainly
>> implying that you are not any of those things. Whoopty shit and have
>> a party. Someone else's failings, no matter the realities, mustn't
>> let those inconvienent things get in the way, doesn't make you
>> special.
>>
>> >Made PFC in bootcamp---claims it was his rifle range score---I
>> >SUSPECT he was the D.I.'s house mouse and polished plenty of knob "if
>> >you know what I mean!" ;}
>>
>> What we got going on here is either Navy code or rampant jealousy.
>> Probably a little of both. Go get some Preparation-H, while you're at
>> it.
>>
>> >getting that PFC stripe then politicking to get out of 311 dutys <eg>
>> >mainly a suckass get in the rear with the gear type....same way as a
>> >skydiver, gotta be important---gotta do something easy FRICKING SKATE
>> >ASSED BOOTS
>>
>-------->dumbfuck.
>>
>> ...bsrp
>> ...jlk
>
>You always resort to calling people names when you cain't win kid? WOW
>Tsk Tsk Tsk
>thats so skygoddy of you
Get real, Jinnie - "winning" an argument on the internet is like the
special olympics. Someone might think they won something but they're
still retarded. The name-calling is nothing more than just the
standard, stock turnabout being fair play. You dish, you take -
simple as that. Well, so it would seem - you're still having
difficulty figuring that shit out.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>Jerry K. wrote:
>> On 28 Apr 2006 09:50:07 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
>> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Jerry K. wrote:
>> >> On 25 Apr 2006 13:50:36 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
>> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Jerry K. wrote:
>> >> >> On 21 Apr 2006 15:03:17 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
>> >> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Jerry K. wrote:
>> >> >> >> On 20 Apr 2006 11:59:25 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
>> >> >> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>> ...bsrp
>> ...jlk
>
>BTW your'e studdering reminds me Jerr. Where's that south beach faggot,
>Biggy Jim? He wuz moaning about kill files----finally lost his nerve
>and bailed huh?
Who can say? If that makes you feel better about yourself, have a
party. Maybe he's been busy with his assignments in the Navy - run
with it.
>I see people with kill files as weak. & having short attention
>spans..Just like a Company or Platoon would be that didn't put out
>L.P.'s when they dug in or laugered up for the night....
And that's another failing - actually assigning some sort of
judgement, let alone giving a shit, about someone else using a
killfile.
>You mean your
>actually tougher mentally & spiritually than at least one other young
>USTA wennie boy Jerry?
Who gives a shit about that? Unlike you, there's many who don't, and
certainly I don't, find themselves defining their selves on how they
comparitively measure up to someone else on an electronic newsgroup in
the "mental & spiritual" department.
>Give yerself a Attaboy for hanging with the old
>man!
As I've said before, this is nothing more than the two concepts. One,
being Performance Art at its Most Absurd and the other, the idea of
the Mutually Assured Killfile. I'd call it brilliant if it wasn't so
obvious.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 1 May 2006 09:25:36 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> On 28 Apr 2006 09:50:07 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> >> On 25 Apr 2006 13:50:36 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> >> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> >> >> On 21 Apr 2006 15:03:17 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> >> >> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On 20 Apr 2006 11:59:25 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> >> >> >> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >
> >> ...bsrp
> >> ...jlk
> >
> >BTW your'e studdering reminds me Jerr. Where's that south beach faggot,
> >Biggy Jim? He wuz moaning about kill files----finally lost his nerve
> >and bailed huh?
>
> Who can say? If that makes you feel better about yourself, have a
> party. Maybe he's been busy with his assignments in the Navy - run
> with it.
The boy has a blood embalance that cause a chemical short in the brain.
At first Lodi Mike and I thought he was hitting the bottle---after
further
investigation I believe him to be dead or in the loonyben on bag I.V.
My suporzition is that he was bi-polar before entering the USMC and
neither the war or Agent Orange had anything to do with the outcome of
his mental condition
. He entered the USMC as a Reserve, thats why he didn't do a 4 year
hitch. The entrance standards for Reserves were quite a bit lower 35 or
40 years ago. They were expected to be the last to be sent---now their
amoung the first to go. I can forgive all
but not endangering the whole patrol by fishing for his lost equipment
in the middle
of a open rice paddy---strictly a one way action on his part----see
what happens is the
whole Platoon comes to a stop----waiting for the reserve boot to get
his shit together.
Had I been his Platoon Sgt.....I would have left a fire team with him
and moved the
rest of the squads to cover. Why leave them staked out in an open rice
paddy for
the enemy to pick off cuz you have been saddled with a klutzy REMF?
Chuck with
little to no AIT was only thinking about getting a Company level Mast
for the missing items------having to pay for them and draw extra duty
besides. ;) Actually if I had been
his NCO---As long as he came to the suface with his rifle and ammo
load, he would have
been ordered to move on. Mission and unit integrity is more important
than one goof ball!
~CAPEACH?~
>
> >I see people with kill files as weak. & having short attention
> >spans..Just like a Company or Platoon would be that didn't put out
> >L.P.'s when they dug in or laugered up for the night....
>
> And that's another failing - actually assigning some sort of
> judgement, let alone giving a shit, about someone else using a
> killfile.
Blubber all you want sweety----------Their weaklings
> >You mean your
> >actually tougher mentally & spiritually than at least one other young
> >USTA wennie boy Jerry?
>
> Who gives a shit about that?
Apparently you----yer still reading my shit ain'tcha?
>Unlike you, there's many who don't, and
> certainly I don't, find themselves defining their selves on how they
> comparitively measure up to someone else on an electronic newsgroup in
> the "mental & spiritual" department.
Thats because as USTA----they lack both -Smerk-
>
> >Give yerself a Attaboy for hanging with the old
> >man!
>
> As I've said before, this is nothing more than the two concepts. One,
> being Performance Art at its Most Absurd and the other, the idea of
> the Mutually Assured Killfile. I'd call it brilliant if it wasn't so
> obvious.
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jerry sez I'm brillant? WOW POP A FLARE !!! !!!
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
Yo, Jinnie - you were longing for Big E (or was it Paulsitflies?) Pay
attention.
<Jinnie refighting someone else's corner of the war snipped>
> ~CAPEACH?~
I capiche that your panties are knotted six way to sundown.
>>
>> >I see people with kill files as weak. & having short attention
>> >spans..Just like a Company or Platoon would be that didn't put out
>> >L.P.'s when they dug in or laugered up for the night....
>>
>> And that's another failing - actually assigning some sort of
>> judgement, let alone giving a shit, about someone else using a
>> killfile.
>
> Blubber all you want sweety----------Their weaklings
Not so weak as to never go to dropzones.
>
>> >You mean your
>> >actually tougher mentally & spiritually than at least one other young
>> >USTA wennie boy Jerry?
>>
>> Who gives a shit about that?
>
>Apparently you----yer still reading my shit ain'tcha?
Heh - sorry, Jinnie - reading your shit requires absolutely zero
mental and/or spiritual toughness. If anything, a strong stomach.
>
>>Unlike you, there's many who don't, and
>> certainly I don't, find themselves defining their selves on how they
>> comparitively measure up to someone else on an electronic newsgroup in
>> the "mental & spiritual" department.
>
>Thats because as USTA----they lack both -Smerk-
No, because measuring in the subjective in a forum so nebulous as an
electronic newsgroup is for retards.
>>
>> >Give yerself a Attaboy for hanging with the old
>> >man!
>>
>> As I've said before, this is nothing more than the two concepts. One,
>> being Performance Art at its Most Absurd and the other, the idea of
>> the Mutually Assured Killfile. I'd call it brilliant if it wasn't so
>> obvious.
>> ...bsrp
>> ...jerry sez I'm brillant?
If you wish - for a dingleberry.
...bsrp
...jlk
lisajane
> >Biggy Jim? He wuz moaning about kill files----finally lost his nerve
> >and bailed huh?
Right-- The only desire that I've lost is my desire to play with you,
dingleberry. Differant day, same old boring bullshit. I've bailed alright,
but out of airplanes, which is more than can be said for/about you. I've
been keeping up though, which is also more than can be said for you. Seems
like you ar sliding even further downhill-you can't even keep me and Chuck
sorted out anymore. Speaking of Chuck-don't see any indication that he wants
to play with you either.
Could be that, besides Jerry , I'm the only person left on the planet that
reads the drivel you post here. Since you know everything, perhaps you can
tell me why I bother.
lisajane
> >Biggy Jim? He wuz moaning about kill files----finally lost his nerve
> >and bailed huh?
Right-- The only desire that I've lost is my desire to play with you,
Jerry K.
wrote:
Actually, I have an old TRS (trash) 80 doing the reading and
responding - the little cassette drive doesn't even blink generating
the requisite response goading the monkey to dance. But, what I wanna
know is, Jinnie, you like apples?
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
lisajane wrote:
> >>Where's that south beach faggot,
> > >Biggy Jim? He wuz moaning about kill files----finally lost his nerve
> > >and bailed huh?
>
> Right-- The only desire that I've lost is my desire to play with you,
> dingleberry. Differant day, same old boring bullshit. I've bailed alright,
> but out of airplanes, which is more than can be said for/about you. I've
> been keeping up though, which is also more than can be said for you. Seems
> like you ar sliding even further downhill-you can't even keep me and Chuck
> sorted out anymore.
>Speaking of Chuck-don't see any indication that he wants
> to play with you either.
Knows when his ass is whipped <smerk> Any ole FMF type Marine from the
late 1950's to the very early 1960's cudda told him------ "Ya don't fuk
with old salts boot!"
> Could be that, besides Jerry , I'm the only person left on the planet that
> reads the drivel you post here. Since you know everything, perhaps you can
> tell me why I bother.
Cuz yer not getting any manly man influence around the USPA-TA DZ's,
girly boys are drawn to strong male figures, just like up tight goody
goody two shoe bitchs seem to prefer outlaws....You cut and run because
ya was afraid your weak
little USTA friends would kill file you....Now Jerry? Jerry just hates
to loose then have it and his flaws pointed out by a old toggle hooking
trouble maker...Speaking of kill files..
Lookit it this way, if all the Spel Natzi's and anal retentive sissys
kill file you - your freedom of speech is protected WAIT!! and if I die
you can speak freely also, don't catch Aids kid I might outlive yer
young butt <snigger> 0~;-)
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>lisajane wrote:
>> >>Where's that south beach faggot,
>> > >Biggy Jim? He wuz moaning about kill files----finally lost his nerve
>> > >and bailed huh?
>>
>> Right-- The only desire that I've lost is my desire to play with you,
>> dingleberry. Differant day, same old boring bullshit. I've bailed alright,
>> but out of airplanes, which is more than can be said for/about you. I've
>> been keeping up though, which is also more than can be said for you. Seems
>> like you ar sliding even further downhill-you can't even keep me and Chuck
>> sorted out anymore.
>
>
>
>>Speaking of Chuck-don't see any indication that he wants
>> to play with you either.
>
>Knows when his ass is whipped <smerk>
Like I've said - Special Olympics Award for ya, Jinnie - you may think
you been whipping ass but you're still retarded.
>Any ole FMF type Marine from the
>late 1950's to the very early 1960's cudda told him------ "Ya don't fuk
>with old salts boot!"
I prefer the old line, "You don't fuck with the eagles unless you know
how to fly." Been flying much Jinnie?
>
>> Could be that, besides Jerry , I'm the only person left on the planet that
>> reads the drivel you post here. Since you know everything, perhaps you can
>> tell me why I bother.
>
>Cuz yer not getting any manly man influence around the USPA-TA DZ's,
This is just supposition since you don't go to dropzones and have no
frame of reference with which to measure something so insipid as
"manly influence."
>girly boys are drawn to strong male figures, just like up tight goody
>goody two shoe bitchs seem to prefer outlaws....You cut and run because
>ya was afraid your weak
>little USTA friends would kill file you....
Which goes a long way towards explaining why you don't exercise the
killfile option. But, that's not the real explanation. Comes down to
you being so self-involved that the idea of someone saying shit about
you, and you not being aware of it, makes you uncomfortable.
>Now Jerry? Jerry just hates
>to loose then have it and his flaws pointed out by a old toggle hooking
>trouble maker...
Special Olympics Award, Jinnie. Sure, purport that someone is
"losing," thus suggesting that you are "winning." You're still a
retard.
>Speaking of kill files..
>Lookit it this way, if all the Spel Natzi's and anal retentive sissys
>kill file you - your freedom of speech is protected WAIT!! and if I die
>you can speak freely also,
And even more self-centered tripe comes to the fore - the idea that
people can't speak freely while you remain alive. Bullshit. Been
binding people's speech much, Jinnie?
>don't catch Aids kid I might outlive yer
>young butt
Ya gotta realize, Jinnie - whether you outlive anyone or not, has no
effect on skydivers, skydiving, or even people who might or might not
be killfiling your dumb ass.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 5 May 2006 13:05:06 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >lisajane wrote:
> >> >>Where's that south beach faggot,
> >> > >Biggy Jim? He wuz moaning about kill files----finally lost his nerve
> >> > >and bailed huh?
> >>
> >> Right-- The only desire that I've lost is my desire to play with you,
> >> dingleberry. Differant day, same old boring bullshit. I've bailed alright,
> >> but out of airplanes, which is more than can be said for/about you. I've
> >> been keeping up though, which is also more than can be said for you. Seems
> >> like you ar sliding even further downhill-you can't even keep me and Chuck
> >> sorted out anymore.
lets see "LisaJane" yer the Darky right? Chucks afraid of spear
chuckers ya know.
hiz detectives sed I wuz a black CPO...that be a jungle bunnie I'm
thinking SNARF ;)
> >
> >>Speaking of Chuck-don't see any indication that he wants
> >> to play with you either.
> >
> >Knows when his ass is whipped <smerk>
>
> Like I've said - Special Olympics Award for ya, Jinnie - you may think
> you been whipping ass but you're still retarded.
Oh yeah ain't it wonderfull? I've been dropped frum the USPA rolls and
have become as pure as the driven snow....Now Biggy Jim he's Afrin
American go jump with him, maybe he can be teaching yer crooked young
USTA tail something 0~;->
>
> >Any ole FMF type Marine from the
> >late 1950's to the very early 1960's cudda told him------ "Ya don't fuk
> >with old Navy salts boot!"
>
> I prefer the old line, "You don't fuck with the eagles unless you know
> how to fly." Been flying much Jinnie?
You wud be surprised---My biggest hope is to win a million dollars/NOT
to jump again although I probably would but rather to buy a DZ just so
I can kick USTA members off
and listen to them yowl on wreck!
>
> >
> >> Could be that, besides Jerry , I'm the only person left on the planet that
> >> reads the drivel you post here. Since you know everything, perhaps you can
> >> tell me why I bother.
> >
> >Cuz yer not getting any manly man influence around the USPA-TA DZ's,
>
> This is just supposition since you don't go to dropzones and have no
> frame of reference with which to measure something so insipid as
> "manly influence."
I be the benchmark girly boy, you may bend over and kiss my hairy old
ass ;-*
>
> >girly boys are drawn to strong male figures, just like up tight goody
> >goody two shoe bitchs seem to prefer outlaws....You cut and run because
> >ya was afraid your weak
> >little USTA friends would kill file you....
>
> Which goes a long way towards explaining why you don't exercise the
> killfile option.
I like to gather information on the sissy part of the world---thats
not only by nature but by training
>But, that's not the real explanation. Comes down to
> you being so self-involved that the idea of someone saying shit about
> you, and you not being aware of it, makes you uncomfortable.
Fukking A....I was brung up under the old code & still believe, "If you
can't take it~don't hand it out!"
>
> >Now Jerry? Jerry just hates
> >to loose then have it and his flaws pointed out by a old toggle hooking
> >trouble maker...
>
> Special Olympics Award, Jinnie. Sure, purport that someone is
> "losing," thus suggesting that you are "winning." You're still a
> retard.
Yuh? Well at least I know the difference between an intermediate medal
and the expert one yawl didn't win years ago----unlike you & the 4 way
team you lurk.
+smootchie bootchie girly boy+
>
> >Speaking of kill files..
> >Lookit it this way, if all the Spel Natzi's and anal retentive sissys
> >kill file you - your freedom of speech is protected WAIT!! and if I die
> >you can speak freely also,
>
> And even more self-centered tripe comes to the fore - the idea that
> people can't speak freely while you remain alive. Bullshit. Been
> binding people's speech much, Jinnie?
They can....of course I'm going to have an opinion AND it will be
voiced
~thats the American way~
>
> >don't catch Aids kid I might outlive yer
> >young butt
>
> Ya gotta realize, Jinnie - whether you outlive anyone or not, has no
> effect on skydivers, skydiving, or even people who might or might not
> be killfiling your dumb ass.
I'm just worry about Biggy Jim down there in South Beach---thats party
central, ifin
he pass's out and lands face down one of them fags is lible to pack his
fudge.
He might be OK if yew ain't around though 0~;->
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>Jerry K. wrote:
>> On 5 May 2006 13:05:06 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
>> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >lisajane wrote:
>> >> >>Where's that south beach faggot,
>> >> > >Biggy Jim? He wuz moaning about kill files----finally lost his nerve
>> >> > >and bailed huh?
>> >>
>> >> Right-- The only desire that I've lost is my desire to play with you,
>> >> dingleberry. Differant day, same old boring bullshit. I've bailed alright,
>> >> but out of airplanes, which is more than can be said for/about you. I've
>> >> been keeping up though, which is also more than can be said for you. Seems
>> >> like you ar sliding even further downhill-you can't even keep me and Chuck
>> >> sorted out anymore.
>
> lets see "LisaJane" yer the Darky right? Chucks afraid of spear
>chuckers ya know.
>hiz detectives sed I wuz a black CPO...that be a jungle bunnie I'm
>thinking SNARF ;)
>> >
>> >>Speaking of Chuck-don't see any indication that he wants
>> >> to play with you either.
>> >
>> >Knows when his ass is whipped <smerk>
>>
>> Like I've said - Special Olympics Award for ya, Jinnie - you may think
>> you been whipping ass but you're still retarded.
>
>
>Oh yeah ain't it wonderfull? I've been dropped frum the USPA rolls
Simply because you never re-upped.
>and
>have become as pure as the driven snow....
Thus suggesting you weren't "pure as driven snow," during that short
period of time you were on the rolls. Hypocrite - it was good enough
for ya when you could jump but now you're unable, bragging about being
"dropped from the rolls," and now somehow "pure."
>Now Biggy Jim he's Afrin
>American go jump with him, maybe he can be teaching yer crooked young
>USTA tail something
Not as much as a simple visit to a dz might teach your myopic ass.
>>
>> >Any ole FMF type Marine from the
>> >late 1950's to the very early 1960's cudda told him------ "Ya don't fuk
>> >with old Navy salts boot!"
>>
>> I prefer the old line, "You don't fuck with the eagles unless you know
>> how to fly." Been flying much Jinnie?
>
>You wud be surprised---My biggest hope is to win a million dollars/NOT
>to jump again although I probably would but rather to buy a DZ just so
>I can kick USTA members off
>and listen to them yowl on wreck!
This from the same dingleberry who has in the past bragged about and
revelled in purportedly being kicked off of dz's himself. Of course,
the truth of the matter is, you weren't so much as kicked off but,
found yourself on occasion fleeing (girls), and more recently, being
carted off after a landing which you were unable to walk away from.
But then, sound business plan, Jinnie - ostensibly purchasing a
business so you could resfuse service to the up-jumping clients. Hell,
it's your fantasy tandem-mill, I suppose.
>>
>> >
>> >> Could be that, besides Jerry , I'm the only person left on the planet that
>> >> reads the drivel you post here. Since you know everything, perhaps you can
>> >> tell me why I bother.
>> >
>> >Cuz yer not getting any manly man influence around the USPA-TA DZ's,
>>
>> This is just supposition since you don't go to dropzones and have no
>> frame of reference with which to measure something so insipid as
>> "manly influence."
>
>I be the benchmark girly boy, you may bend over and kiss my hairy old
>ass
Well, you ~wish~ you were some sort of "benchmark" but the reality is,
you have no influence - you don't go to dropzones. Subsequently,
every person who does represents a far greater "influence" than you
are capable.
>>
>> >girly boys are drawn to strong male figures, just like up tight goody
>> >goody two shoe bitchs seem to prefer outlaws....You cut and run because
>> >ya was afraid your weak
>> >little USTA friends would kill file you....
>>
>> Which goes a long way towards explaining why you don't exercise the
>> killfile option.
>
> I like to gather information on the sissy part of the world---thats
>not only by nature but by training
Heh heh - I'd say it comes down to your orientation, if not lifestyle.
>
>
>>But, that's not the real explanation. Comes down to
>> you being so self-involved that the idea of someone saying shit about
>> you, and you not being aware of it, makes you uncomfortable.
>
>Fukking A....I was brung up under the old code & still believe, "If you
>can't take it~don't hand it out!"
Which doesn't do much to explain why, when you are presented with
deconstructions of whatever you're bitching and whining about at the
time, the best you can do is basically a subject change or more
usually, some sort of lameass name calling. What we got here is you
not taking it well while pretending you're dishing.
>>
>> >Now Jerry? Jerry just hates
>> >to loose then have it and his flaws pointed out by a old toggle hooking
>> >trouble maker...
>>
>> Special Olympics Award, Jinnie. Sure, purport that someone is
>> "losing," thus suggesting that you are "winning." You're still a
>> retard.
>
>Yuh? Well at least I know the difference between an intermediate medal
>and the expert one yawl didn't win years ago----unlike you & the 4 way
>team you lurk.
Whoopty shit but what's very clear here is you certainly don't know
the difference between fantasy and reality. And again, lay out your
contention. "Dish" it out but keep in mind, as it has occurred so
often before, whenever you've fallen back to this remarkably exposed
position, what will come of it is you being exposed for making
contentions which neither you or the facts can back up. But then, at
least I know the difference between a "National RW Medal" and a Pops
medal and further, I was never so pathetic as to brag about skydiving
on a electronic newsgroup for the Recreational Vehicle set. Do you
suppose I can back these contentions up?
>
>>
>> >Speaking of kill files..
>> >Lookit it this way, if all the Spel Natzi's and anal retentive sissys
>> >kill file you - your freedom of speech is protected WAIT!! and if I die
>> >you can speak freely also,
>>
>> And even more self-centered tripe comes to the fore - the idea that
>> people can't speak freely while you remain alive. Bullshit. Been
>> binding people's speech much, Jinnie?
>
>They can....of course I'm going to have an opinion AND it will be
>voiced
> ~thats the American way~
Feel free but try to keep in mind, because you seem to forget this bit
of reality so often, others might voice their opinions as well, and
try not to get so bitchy about it when your poodle-shit rebounds back
all over you.
>>
>> >don't catch Aids kid I might outlive yer
>> >young butt
>>
>> Ya gotta realize, Jinnie - whether you outlive anyone or not, has no
>> effect on skydivers, skydiving, or even people who might or might not
>> be killfiling your dumb ass.
>
>I'm just worry about Biggy Jim down there in South Beach---thats party
>central,
Especially for guys in sailor-suits.
> ifin
>he pass's out and lands face down one of them fags is lible to pack his
>fudge.
Voice of experience talking here, Jinnie?
>He might be OK if yew ain't around though
Heh - that's gotta be a voice of experience talking - I've certainly
had you on your knees for some time now. Now, since you're already
dropped - give me fifty.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
I wudda had to sign on with USPA2000 or the USTA if you will...The old
USPA
was gone, killed by a influx of mainstreamers like you "Jerr cain't
drive in cain't take a grip" destined to be the eternal lurker <eg>
>
> >and
> >have become as pure as the driven snow....
>
> Thus suggesting you weren't "pure as driven snow," during that short
> period of time you were on the rolls. Hypocrite - it was good enough
> for ya when you could jump but now you're unable, bragging about being
> "dropped from the rolls," and now somehow "pure."
Hey the BSR's were just a guide line to me....I had to explore the edge
of the envelope.
for myself. Besides my 1989/90 SIMS read recommendations on that R part
tweety ;)P
>
> >Now Biggy Jim he's Afrin
> >American go jump with him, maybe he can be teaching yer crooked young
> >USTA tail something
>
> Not as much as a simple visit to a dz might teach your myopic ass.
>
> >>
> >> >Any ole FMF type Marine from the
> >> >late 1950's to the very early 1960's cudda told him------ "Ya don't fuk
> >> >with old Navy salts boot!"
> >>
> >> I prefer the old line, "You don't fuck with the eagles unless you know
> >> how to fly." Been flying much Jinnie?
> >
> >You wud be surprised---My biggest hope is to win a million dollars/NOT
> >to jump again although I probably would but rather to buy a DZ just so
> >I can kick USTA members off
> >and listen to them yowl on wreck!
>
> This from the same dingleberry who has in the past bragged about and
> revelled in purportedly being kicked off of dz's himself.
Yuh, the pre 1990's crowd told me you weren't a real skydiver till you
got kicked off a GM/DZ. Course I was far too popular with the Zoo/RW
crowd to kick off any DZ. yup
you little USTA twits cudda been as politically correct as you can be
while you played yer grammer school politics till the cows came home
and a I wudda still been there harrassing yer girlyboy butts----THE BIG
RW BULLY.... ooooooorah
>Of course,
> the truth of the matter is, you weren't so much as kicked off but,
> found yourself on occasion fleeing (girls), and more recently, being
> carted off after a landing which you were unable to walk away from.
> But then, sound business plan, Jinnie - ostensibly purchasing a
> business so you could resfuse service to the up-jumping clients. Hell,
> it's your fantasy tandem-mill, I suppose.
>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> Could be that, besides Jerry , I'm the only person left on the planet that
> >> >> reads the drivel you post here. Since you know everything, perhaps you can
> >> >> tell me why I bother.
> >> >
> >> >Cuz yer not getting any manly man influence around the USPA-TA DZ's,
> >>
> >> This is just supposition since you don't go to dropzones and have no
> >> frame of reference with which to measure something so insipid as
> >> "manly influence."
Thats cuz they have none--being made up mainly of urban soft job
types---you know
city fuk your buddys----the red necks have flown the coop ;-*
> >
> >I be the benchmark girly boy, you may bend over and kiss my hairy old
> >ass
>
> Well, you ~wish~ you were some sort of "benchmark" but the reality is,
> you have no influence - you don't go to dropzones. Subsequently,
> every person who does represents a far greater "influence" than you
> are capable.
>
> >>
> >> >girly boys are drawn to strong male figures, just like up tight goody
> >> >goody two shoe bitchs seem to prefer outlaws....You cut and run because
> >> >ya was afraid your weak
> >> >little USTA friends would kill file you....
> >>
> >> Which goes a long way towards explaining why you don't exercise the
> >> killfile option.
> >
> > I like to gather information on the sissy part of the world---thats
> >not only by nature but by training
>
> Heh heh - I'd say it comes down to your orientation, if not lifestyle.
>
Well if you truely believe in freedom of speech ya cain't very well
have a kill file can you? OH I FORGOT-----Yawl are the double standard
USTA phoneys
Video Geeks and no grip free flyers wearin sailor suites as jump suits
now are they? <g>
>
> > ifin
> >he pass's out and lands face down one of them fags is lible to pack his
> >fudge.
>
> Voice of experience talking here, Jinnie?
>
> >He might be OK if yew ain't around though
>
> Heh - that's gotta be a voice of experience talking - I've certainly
> had you on your knees for some time now. Now, since you're already
> dropped - give me fifty.
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
Ain't got 50 left in me boy, having given a million or so to Uncle
Sam...A third of my River Advisor/Combat class was rolled on medical.
Only one Administrative drop in the whole crowd, a darky that fell for
the cadre's chant...."Their mostly Southern White your'e Black, think
any of them cares about you?" We knew no color other than the element
colors we were issued to wear as tabs....I finished the course with
taped ribs---Could have rode the meat wagon back to Camp Bradford and
repeated the phase
--NOWAY Jose I wuzzn't
repeating that course
Doing pushups or even high rest with fractured ribs-----now there's
real pain sonny. Fricking Corpsman hovered over my butt the last night,
he goes like "I see one spot of blood come out of your mouth and your
out of here asshole!!" So I swallerd my blood
for the last day or two. Full Navy Captain handed us our diploma's and
warfare pins Looked at my black eyes and split lip---funny way I was
hunched over when he shook my hand, he tells the TPO.. "Send this one
to sickbay or the morge, I cain't tell which-sickbay first I think!"
Didn't matter then I had graduated Aurggggggg Yar Har I was officially
a river pirate. <evil grin>
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
Strange coincidence then, really. This "old" USPA magically
undergoing some sort of bogus transmogrifycation, pretty much the
moment when it became clear you wouldn't be spending too much time on
dropzones, anymore. As for "mainstreamers" and this boogey-man of an
"influx," nope - that was already in process, hardcore, what with the
advent of tandem in the late 80's, more efficent training programs,
and a couple of hollywood features in the early 90's. But then,
accepting that this "mainstream" element "killed" something or other,
this would suggest that skydiving as a whole at the time was too weak
to fend off such an odious influx - that the skydivers of the day
didn't have their priorities straight, that dz's catered to and
welcomed this "influx," back in the day. Just like everything else,
you blame everything else for your own cutting and running. And
again, as for the assertion, "cain't drive in cain't take a grip
destined to be the eternal lurker, ect.," I've certainly taken grips
on more formations and larger formations than you've ever flailed at
and taken out, more times than you've ever jumped. Like I've said
before, not much.
>>
>> >and
>> >have become as pure as the driven snow....
>>
>> Thus suggesting you weren't "pure as driven snow," during that short
>> period of time you were on the rolls. Hypocrite - it was good enough
>> for ya when you could jump but now you're unable, bragging about being
>> "dropped from the rolls," and now somehow "pure."
>
>Hey the BSR's were just a guide line to me....I had to explore the edge
>of the envelope.
And it's clear that this "exploration" had a tendency to include
others along without their knowledge until during or after the fact.
>for myself. Besides my 1989/90 SIMS read recommendations on that R part
>tweety
Which doesn't explain why you were skittering off of dropzones with
your tail between your legs when the justly earned shitstorm was
heading your way. I mean, you ever try to bluster the recommendation
angle? Do you suppose that it wasn't just people looking to kick your
ass for busting BSR's but moreso, because you were fucking up? You
know, skydivers looking out for each other? This was the 90's
afterall, back when it was all "pure." And still you ran.
>>
>> >Now Biggy Jim he's Afrin
>> >American go jump with him, maybe he can be teaching yer crooked young
>> >USTA tail something
>>
>> Not as much as a simple visit to a dz might teach your myopic ass.
>>
>> >>
>> >> >Any ole FMF type Marine from the
>> >> >late 1950's to the very early 1960's cudda told him------ "Ya don't fuk
>> >> >with old Navy salts boot!"
>> >>
>> >> I prefer the old line, "You don't fuck with the eagles unless you know
>> >> how to fly." Been flying much Jinnie?
>> >
>> >You wud be surprised---My biggest hope is to win a million dollars/NOT
>> >to jump again although I probably would but rather to buy a DZ just so
>> >I can kick USTA members off
>> >and listen to them yowl on wreck!
>>
>> This from the same dingleberry who has in the past bragged about and
>> revelled in purportedly being kicked off of dz's himself.
>
>Yuh, the pre 1990's crowd told me you weren't a real skydiver till you
>got kicked off a GM/DZ.
So, what with their acknowledgement of the existance of GM/DZ's, was
this recognition made to you ~at~ a GM/DZ? And, if it was, doesn't
say a lot for them jumping at a dz which to be not kicked off of was
beneath contempt, as well as you jumping at a GM/DZ. Besides, you
were never kicked off - you just ran off before any kicking could
commence.
>Course I was far too popular with the Zoo/RW
>crowd to kick off any DZ. yup
Oh, ho, so these staid and solid dz's (nevermind their association
affilliation), would tailor their authority based upon something like
"popularity?" Sounds kinda skygoddy to me. Imagine, this sort of
thing going on back before the "mainstream influx." But then, if you
were "too popular" to be kicked off, what's with you gassing about
being kicked off?
>you little USTA twits cudda been as politically correct as you can be
>while you played yer grammer school politics till the cows came home
Play a lot of politics while working that angle of being "too popular
to be kicked off any dz?"
>and a I wudda still been there harrassing yer girlyboy butts----THE BIG
>RW BULLY....
Nevermind that you're not there and haven't been there in what,
between 5 and 10 years? No, you were the BIG RW WANNABEE DINGLEBERRY.
People remember.
>
>
>>Of course,
>> the truth of the matter is, you weren't so much as kicked off but,
>> found yourself on occasion fleeing (girls), and more recently, being
>> carted off after a landing which you were unable to walk away from.
>> But then, sound business plan, Jinnie - ostensibly purchasing a
>> business so you could resfuse service to the up-jumping clients. Hell,
>> it's your fantasy tandem-mill, I suppose.
>>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >> Could be that, besides Jerry , I'm the only person left on the planet that
>> >> >> reads the drivel you post here. Since you know everything, perhaps you can
>> >> >> tell me why I bother.
>> >> >
>> >> >Cuz yer not getting any manly man influence around the USPA-TA DZ's,
>> >>
>> >> This is just supposition since you don't go to dropzones and have no
>> >> frame of reference with which to measure something so insipid as
>> >> "manly influence."
>
>Thats cuz they have none--being made up mainly of urban soft job
>types---you know
>city fuk your buddys----the red necks have flown the coop
Like I said, you have no frame of reference. Just saying some entity
has none of some element does not provide frame of reference. Flown
the coop? The ~chickens~ have flown the coop, better said. Seems to
me if there was such a problem and the cause so rightous, they woulda
stayed and made it right. The reality is, this is just another lame
excuse on your part. Unless you're saying that rednecks done got run
off, flown the coop even, by mainly some urban soft job types. Then
there's your tried, true, and re-tread "city fuk your buddy," angle of
caste aspersion. Seems to me, what with your self-proclaimed
proclivity of "exploring the envelope," along with your habit of not
thinking things through, as you dragged others along for the ride
without their knowledge or permission, that it was you exercising this
"fuk your buddy" attitude.
>> >
>> >I be the benchmark girly boy, you may bend over and kiss my hairy old
>> >ass
>>
>> Well, you ~wish~ you were some sort of "benchmark" but the reality is,
>> you have no influence - you don't go to dropzones. Subsequently,
>> every person who does represents a far greater "influence" than you
>> are capable.
>>
>> >>
>> >> >girly boys are drawn to strong male figures, just like up tight goody
>> >> >goody two shoe bitchs seem to prefer outlaws....You cut and run because
>> >> >ya was afraid your weak
>> >> >little USTA friends would kill file you....
>> >>
>> >> Which goes a long way towards explaining why you don't exercise the
>> >> killfile option.
>> >
>> > I like to gather information on the sissy part of the world---thats
>> >not only by nature but by training
>>
>> Heh heh - I'd say it comes down to your orientation, if not lifestyle.
>>
> Well if you truely believe in freedom of speech ya cain't very well
>have a kill file can you? OH I FORGOT-----Yawl are the double standard
>USTA phoneys
No, you got it backwards, dngleberry. The existance of a killfile
does not preclude freedom of speech. The fact that you are killfiled
does not in any way limit your ability to speak. Of course, only
self-centered you would hit upon the idea that because others might
killfile your dumb ass, that they are, in doing so, limiting your
right to free speech. Only dumbass you would translate anyone
deconstructing the dumb shit you have to say as that someone, somehow,
is limiting your right to free speech. That this right was being
inhibited by anyone who decides to cut out your stupid shit from what
they read on a newsgroup and, of course, by anyone who might disagree
with you. Tough shit, Jinnie. You dish, you take - it's the way of
things. But then, if you feel you're "rights" are being infringed,
please feel free to go bitch about it to some higher authority which
might be able to do something about it. Until then, just you whining
about it in here will only get you more of what it has already got
you, so often before - more ridicule.
Beats the hell out of some blue and yellow pastel BodySport. Unless,
of course, you just prefer such gay-themed jumpsuits.
>>
>> > ifin
>> >he pass's out and lands face down one of them fags is lible to pack his
>> >fudge.
>>
>> Voice of experience talking here, Jinnie?
>>
>> >He might be OK if yew ain't around though
>>
>> Heh - that's gotta be a voice of experience talking - I've certainly
>> had you on your knees for some time now. Now, since you're already
>> dropped - give me fifty.
>>
>> ...bsrp
>> ...jlk
>
>Ain't got 50 left in me boy,
Quit you're whining.
>-Could have rode the meat
<fond recollections of Jinnie riding meat snipped>
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Not hard to do when your amoungst ugly urban spirits, bottom feeders
like you and other various types ripping off whats supposed to be an
amature sport
>
> >Now Biggy Jim he's Afrin
> >American go jump with him, maybe he can be teaching yer crooked young
> >USTA tail something
>
> Not as much as a simple visit to a dz might teach your myopic ass.
Oh yeah? They still jumping F111 material? Cuddn't teach me nothing
about those
faggy epp ZP's----I'm a straight arrow....sides I cud barely run out a
1 to 1 loaded
falcon----ZP? Maybe cuz I jumped the Sabre a few times in Quincy----it
was a cow.
But the epp's? naw---I saw Jack Burke let a batwing kick his ass just
before I retired.
So I sez Hey Jack you taking Ron Mills slot as USPA fashion fag of the
year? cuz he had them minny risers/rings and everything, He go's like
NO YOU FLAILING ASSHOLE! Just shaving weight off my rig...truth be
known I think Rosey was trying to knock him off.
Like he didn't eat enough grass------a riser broke on opening--- So I
goe's
"Looks like you need to shave some weight off your ass, not your rig
Jack."
The conversation degenerated at that point. 0~-;)
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
Which is supposition on your part since you're not there and can only
guess - unless it was like that when you were there, in which case
more hypocrite you for being a part of it. As for what it is and what
it's "supposed to be," it is what it is and what you imagine it to be
is chapping your ass. If, as you believe, skydiving isn't some sort
of "amateur sport," fat lot of good you're doing just bitching about
it.
>>
>> >Now Biggy Jim he's Afrin
>> >American go jump with him, maybe he can be teaching yer crooked young
>> >USTA tail something
>>
>> Not as much as a simple visit to a dz might teach your myopic ass.
>
>Oh yeah? They still jumping F111 material?
Who's this "they?" F111 is still in use but what does that matter
beyond your own take, heavily colored by the trappings, as opposed to
what's beneath? F111 you crashed his dumb ass out of participation.
If canopy fabric is the be all to end all, doesn't say too much for
the frabric, taking you into account, eh?
>Cuddn't teach me nothing
>about those
>faggy epp ZP's----
Hell, you couldn't stand up F111's either.
>I'm a straight arrow....
No, your a plastic dart with a rubber tip, sucker.
>sides I cud barely run out a
>1 to 1 loaded
>falcon----ZP?
Barely? How about rarely?
>Maybe cuz I jumped the Sabre a few times in Quincy----it
>was a cow.
Heh - you did that ~once~. So, in your estimate it flew like a cow.
Whoopty shit and keep in mind this from the Precision Aerodynamics
site, "The Falcon is a favorite canopy for many drop zone's
Accelerated Freefall applications." Shit too funny.
>But the epp's? naw---I saw Jack Burke let a batwing kick his ass just
>before I retired.
Right and of course, there's lots who saw you let a F111 kick your ass
before you "retired."
>So I sez Hey Jack you taking Ron Mills slot as USPA fashion fag of the
>year?
>cuz he had them minny risers/rings and everything,
Classic, Jinnie assigning some sort of societal designation based upon
the trappings.
>He go's like
>NO YOU FLAILING ASSHOLE! Just shaving weight off my rig...truth be
>known I think Rosey was trying to knock him off.
What, was she not getting invited on the bigways either?
>Like he didn't eat enough grass------a riser broke on opening--- So I
>goe's
>"Looks like you need to shave some weight off your ass, not your rig
>Jack."
>The conversation degenerated at that point.
"Snuffie? He's an idiot." WHo you think mighta said that?
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 16 May 2006 11:06:54 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> On 8 May 2006 10:26:18 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> >> >
> >> >chuckers ya know.
> >> >hiz detectives sed I wuz a black CPO...that be a jungle bunnie I'm
> >> >thinking SNARF ;)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>Speaking of Chuck-don't see any indication that he wants
> >> >> >> to play with you either.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Knows when his ass is whipped <smerk>
> >> >>
> >> >> Like I've said - Special Olympics Award for ya, Jinnie - you may think
> >> >> you been whipping ass but you're still retarded.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Oh yeah ain't it wonderfull? I've been dropped frum the USPA rolls
> >>
> >> Simply because you never re-upped.
> >>
> >> >and
> >> >have become as pure as the driven snow....
> >>
> >> Thus suggesting you weren't "pure as driven snow," during that short
> >> period of time you were on the rolls. Hypocrite - it was good enough
> >> for ya when you could jump but now you're unable, bragging about being
> >> "dropped from the rolls," and now somehow "pure."
> >
> >Not hard to do when your amoungst ugly urban spirits, bottom feeders
> >like you and other various types ripping off whats supposed to be an
> >amature sport
>
> Which is supposition on your part since you're not there and can only
> guess
No guessing to it, human nature is human nature and shallow people are
rarelly able to overcome the dark side of man's nature
> >>
> >> >Now Biggy Jim he's Afrin
> >> >American go jump with him, maybe he can be teaching yer crooked young
> >> >USTA tail something
> >>
> >> Not as much as a simple visit to a dz might teach your myopic ass.
> >
> >Oh yeah? They still jumping F111 material?
>
> Who's this "they?" F111 is still in use but what does that matter
> beyond your own take, heavily colored by the trappings, as opposed to
> what's beneath? F111 you crashed his dumb ass out of participation.
> If canopy fabric is the be all to end all, doesn't say too much for
> the frabric, taking you into account, eh?
>
>
> >Cuddn't teach me nothing
> >about those
> >faggy epp ZP's----
>
> Hell, you couldn't stand up F111's either.
>
Yeah I could, it took about 80 jumps to stand one up---I was renting
that old ragged out no perosity student gear at SPX Leauge City for at
least that many jumps----bought a new J-5
and F265 and began nailing the landings ~most of the time~ <g>
>
> >sides I cud barely run out a
> >1 to 1 loaded
> >falcon----ZP?
>
> Barely? How about rarely?
>
> >Maybe cuz I jumped the Sabre a few times in Quincy----it
> >was a cow.
>
> Heh - you did that ~once~. So, in your estimate it flew like a cow.
> Whoopty shit and keep in mind this from the Precision Aerodynamics
> site, "The Falcon is a favorite canopy for many drop zone's
> Accelerated Freefall applications." Shit too funny.
>
> >But the epp's? naw---I saw Jack Burke let a batwing kick his ass just
> >before I retired.
>
> Right and of course, there's lots who saw you let a F111 kick your ass
> before you "retired."
>
> >So I sez Hey Jack you taking Ron Mills slot as USPA fashion fag of the
> >year?
> >cuz he had them minny risers/rings and everything,
>
> Classic, Jinnie assigning some sort of societal designation based upon
> the trappings.
Yup went thru S/L--> FJC in my late 50's so I'm pretty old by now and
I've always found if it walks like a duck and talks like a
duck......well FILL IT IN girlyman <snarf>
> >He go's like
> >NO YOU FLAILING ASSHOLE! Just shaving weight off my rig...truth be
> >known I think Rosey was trying to knock him off.
>
> What, was she not getting invited on the bigways either?
I don't know what their problem was, I liked them both---but then again
I've always liked difficult people---gives me somebody easy to mess
with ;->
>
> >Like he didn't eat enough grass------a riser broke on opening--- So I
> >goe's
> >"Looks like you need to shave some weight off your ass, not your rig
> >Jack."
> >The conversation degenerated at that point.
>
> "Snuffie? He's an idiot." WHo you think mighta said that?
Cudda been 9 or 10 different people said that, I didn't play favorites
when harassing
high strung skygods. and that ain't no shit
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
Which still doesn't explain why this inability to "overcome the dark
side of man's nature," coincidentally came to the fore the moment you
stopped going to dropzones. Wait, maybe it does - I mean, you spend a
short time in skydiving, make a few jumps, start defining yourself as
a skydiver in a variety of different areas of consideration, fuck up,
catch shit, fuck up some more, catch more shit, ultimately crash your
dumb ass out of skydiving because you couldn't keep from fucking up
and, viola - shallow you succumbs to the dark side of inconsequence -
bitching and moaning about phantoms on some backwater of the usenet.
>> >>
>> >> >Now Biggy Jim he's Afrin
>> >> >American go jump with him, maybe he can be teaching yer crooked young
>> >> >USTA tail something
>> >>
>> >> Not as much as a simple visit to a dz might teach your myopic ass.
>> >
>> >Oh yeah? They still jumping F111 material?
>>
>> Who's this "they?" F111 is still in use but what does that matter
>> beyond your own take, heavily colored by the trappings, as opposed to
>> what's beneath? F111 you crashed his dumb ass out of participation.
>> If canopy fabric is the be all to end all, doesn't say too much for
>> the frabric, taking you into account, eh?
>>
>>
>> >Cuddn't teach me nothing
>> >about those
>> >faggy epp ZP's----
>>
>> Hell, you couldn't stand up F111's either.
>>
> Yeah I could, it took about 80 jumps to stand one up---I was renting
>that old ragged out no perosity student gear at SPX Leauge City for at
>least that many jumps----
No porosity? Do you even know what porosity means, dummy? Still, 80
to stand one up - it's clear that either the skydivers looking after
you then certainly couldn't teach you how to stand up some big,
forgiving square or more likely, and just a guess, you were the only
student of probably many students over that period, jumping the same
"no porocity" student gear who took 80 jumps to stand one up. Blame
the equipment, eh?
>bought a new J-5
>and F265 and began nailing the landings ~most of the time~
Right, just a matter of getting you under a canopy heralded as, "The
Falcon is a favorite canopy for many drop zone's Accelerated Freefall
applications."
>>
>> >sides I cud barely run out a
>> >1 to 1 loaded
>> >falcon----ZP?
>>
>> Barely? How about rarely?
>>
>> >Maybe cuz I jumped the Sabre a few times in Quincy----it
>> >was a cow.
>>
>> Heh - you did that ~once~. So, in your estimate it flew like a cow.
>> Whoopty shit and keep in mind this from the Precision Aerodynamics
>> site, "The Falcon is a favorite canopy for many drop zone's
>> Accelerated Freefall applications." Shit too funny.
>>
>> >But the epp's? naw---I saw Jack Burke let a batwing kick his ass just
>> >before I retired.
>>
>> Right and of course, there's lots who saw you let a F111 kick your ass
>> before you "retired."
>>
>> >So I sez Hey Jack you taking Ron Mills slot as USPA fashion fag of the
>> >year?
>> >cuz he had them minny risers/rings and everything,
>>
>> Classic, Jinnie assigning some sort of societal designation based upon
>> the trappings.
>
>Yup went thru S/L--> FJC in my late 50's so I'm pretty old by now and
>I've always found if it walks like a duck and talks like a
>duck......well FILL IT IN girlyman
Goose and gander, featherhead. There's you, walking and talking
(actually, just bitching) and what we got here is some dumbass,
self-centered dingleberry (demonstratably) who spent a few years in
skydiving, made a couple, two or three hundred jumps, periodicially
did stupid shit for attention and/or to feed the ego, bragged
mightily, posed perennially, and ultimately didn't learn his lessons
well enough to remember to think things through - consequently,
crashing his ass out of skydiving and into the annals of one who
proved the "skygods" right when you were designated a "Dangerous
Idiot." Then there's the aftermath - what you contend vs. what you
are prepared to do. You just walking, talking hypocrisy, is all.
>
>> >He go's like
>> >NO YOU FLAILING ASSHOLE! Just shaving weight off my rig...truth be
>> >known I think Rosey was trying to knock him off.
>>
>> What, was she not getting invited on the bigways either?
>
>I don't know what their problem was, I liked them both---but then again
>I've always liked difficult people---gives me somebody easy to mess
>with
Hell, you calling either of 'em difficult just says, without a doubt,
you don't know jack. Difficult? As in you were having difficulty
getting invited on the jumps? Hello, sitsuit!
>>
>> >Like he didn't eat enough grass------a riser broke on opening--- So I
>> >goe's
>> >"Looks like you need to shave some weight off your ass, not your rig
>> >Jack."
>> >The conversation degenerated at that point.
>>
>> "Snuffie? He's an idiot." WHo you think mighta said that?
>
>Cudda been 9 or 10 different people said that, I didn't play favorites
>when harassing
>high strung skygods. and that ain't no shit
More than that, actually. But then, this was back in the 90's. You
know, before things went to hell. Were these "high strung skygods"
boogeymen really just a bunch of skydivers who were just trying to
look after another skydiver or were they all instantly relegated to
beneath contempt because they were so stuck up as to not invite you
along on their bigways?
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 18 May 2006 11:28:32 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>
> No porosity? Do you even know what porosity means, dummy?
Yup, we were taught shit like that on student status back then, at
least the
SPX Leauge City S/L crowd was---cain't speak for the Tandem & AFF
sissy's they were money cows---I can say all students were required to
show packing proficincy among other things to get signed off student
status though. Mike Smith ran a good program
Still, 80
> to stand one up - it's clear that either the skydivers looking after
> you then certainly couldn't teach you how to stand up some big,
> forgiving square or more likely, and just a guess, you were the only
> student of probably many students over that period, jumping the same
> "no porocity" student gear who took 80 jumps to stand one up. Blame
> the equipment, eh?
I think the canopy being new material with better porosity did the
trick cuz the turn around was instantanious
>
> >bought a new J-5
> >and F265 and began nailing the landings ~most of the time~
>
> Right, just a matter of getting you under a canopy heralded as, "The
> Falcon is a favorite canopy for many drop zone's Accelerated Freefall
> applications."
>
We only had one Falcon at SPX back then the rest were Manta's and
Man-o-Wars...
The Falcon was newer and yer right---the AFF student twits got first
choice on it
> >> >sides I cud barely run out a
> >> >1 to 1 loaded
> >> >falcon----ZP?
> >>
> >> Barely? How about rarely?
No need to run if you hit the sweet spot you little banty assed punk
;)
> >>
> >> >Maybe cuz I jumped the Sabre a few times in Quincy----it
> >> >was a cow.
> >>
> >> Heh - you did that ~once~. So, in your estimate it flew like a cow.
Actually 10 or 15 jumps on a Sabre, the Monark was a better zp----just
had to many cells
> >> Whoopty shit and keep in mind this from the Precision Aerodynamics
> >> site, "The Falcon is a favorite canopy for many drop zone's
> >> Accelerated Freefall applications." Shit too funny.
You shouldn't believe those Canopy Mfgr's---they never tell the whole
story and stretch the truth worse than any of my "piss off the boots."
sea storys....They claimed mine flew at 25 mph. loaded one to one. YEAH
mabe downwind if you had at least a 7 mph tailwind...otherwise you had
to toggle hook it into a speed frenzy and we or at least I know that
burns altitude big time.....Kinda a hurry up to land out deal
there.....heh
And that dead DZO at SDC sure changed shit in the sport as far as
training when he introduced Sabre's into his AFF program...Say what you
want, he was progressive
> >>
> >> >But the epp's? naw---I saw Jack Burke let a batwing kick his ass just
> >> >before I retired.
> >> Classic, Jinnie assigning some sort of societal designation based upon
> >> the trappings.
> >
> >Yup went thru S/L--> FJC in my late 50's so I'm pretty old by now and
> >I've always found if it walks like a duck and talks like a
> >duck......well FILL IT IN girlyman
> >> "Snuffie? He's an idiot." WHo you think mighta said that?
> >
> >Cudda been 9 or 10 different people said that, I didn't play favorites
> >when harassing
> >high strung skygods. and that ain't no shit
>
> More than that, actually.
I can dig that....a lotta people in the sport are scaird of dieing....A
guy pushing the envelope just makes their fear worse---Geeze can you
immagine that, they never completly overcome their student fears----SEE
WHAT AFF DID FOR THE SPORT?
~HAW HAW HAW~
> But then, this was back in the 90's. You
> know, before things went to hell.
Yuh I'd say they went to hell when your girlyboy type begain joining in
the mid 90's.
Politically the USPA had been on the decline for a while though---You
know
trying to punk everything into a GM/DZO pattern by throwing money at
that particular program at the dues paying jumpers expense---by hook or
by crook...being a old pirate myself I gotta admire that, even if I
don't like it
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>Jerry K. wrote:
>> On 18 May 2006 11:28:32 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
>> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> No porosity? Do you even know what porosity means, dummy?
>
>Yup, we were taught shit like that on student status back then,
Doesn't say much for the teaching when you say the student canopies
you were trying to land were difficult to land because they had "no
porosity."
> at
>least the
>SPX Leauge City S/L crowd was---cain't speak for the Tandem & AFF
>sissy's they were money cows---I can say all students were required to
>show packing proficincy among other things to get signed off student
>status though. Mike Smith ran a good program
Did they have to know what porosity means?
>
>Still, 80
>> to stand one up - it's clear that either the skydivers looking after
>> you then certainly couldn't teach you how to stand up some big,
>> forgiving square or more likely, and just a guess, you were the only
>> student of probably many students over that period, jumping the same
>> "no porocity" student gear who took 80 jumps to stand one up. Blame
>> the equipment, eh?
>
>I think the canopy being new material with better porosity did the
>trick cuz the turn around was instantanious
Better porosity, meaning less porosity?
>>
>> >bought a new J-5
>> >and F265 and began nailing the landings ~most of the time~
>>
>> Right, just a matter of getting you under a canopy heralded as, "The
>> Falcon is a favorite canopy for many drop zone's Accelerated Freefall
>> applications."
>>
>We only had one Falcon at SPX back then the rest were Manta's and
>Man-o-Wars...
>The Falcon was newer and yer right---the AFF student twits got first
>choice on it
And when it came down to you finally getting your own canopy - you
bought the "favorite canopy for many drop zone's Accelerated Freefall
applications."
>> >> >sides I cud barely run out a
>> >> >1 to 1 loaded
>> >> >falcon----ZP?
>> >>
>> >> Barely? How about rarely?
>
>No need to run if you hit the sweet spot you little banty assed punk
No need to pick yourself up 80 times, either.
>> >>
>> >> >Maybe cuz I jumped the Sabre a few times in Quincy----it
>> >> >was a cow.
>> >>
>> >> Heh - you did that ~once~. So, in your estimate it flew like a cow.
>
>Actually 10 or 15 jumps on a Sabre, the Monark was a better zp----just
>had to many cells
Oh yeah, too many - ummm...how many cells in the Saber? How many in
the Falcon?
>
>> >> Whoopty shit and keep in mind this from the Precision Aerodynamics
>> >> site, "The Falcon is a favorite canopy for many drop zone's
>> >> Accelerated Freefall applications." Shit too funny.
>
>You shouldn't believe those Canopy Mfgr's---they never tell the whole
>story and stretch the truth worse than any of my "piss off the boots."
Not even a canopy manufacturer making the canopy you preferred? How
'bout when they say about the Falcon, "When jumped at the upper end of
the weight range, the airfoil transforms into a zippy sportster mode,
while maintaining predictable dynamic flight stability and soft and
easy landings." Yeah, that soft, easy landing stuff had to be crap
when they throw you into consideration.
>sea storys....They claimed mine flew at 25 mph. loaded one to one. YEAH
>mabe downwind if you had at least a 7 mph tailwind...otherwise you had
>to toggle hook it into a speed frenzy
Right, slow down one side of the canopy to make it go faster.
Brilliant.
>and we or at least I know that
>burns altitude big time.....
Not to mention deforming the airfoil, decreasing airflow into the
canopy, slowing airflow around the canopy, lessensing its optimal
flight characteristics - yeah, make the canopy go faster by slowing a
part of it down.
>Kinda a hurry up to land out deal
>there.....heh
>And that dead DZO at SDC sure changed shit in the sport as far as
>training when he introduced Sabre's into his AFF program...Say what you
>want, he was progressive
Think the students there spent 80 some odd jumps before they stand one
up?
>> >>
>> >> >But the epp's? naw---I saw Jack Burke let a batwing kick his ass just
>> >> >before I retired.
>> >> Classic, Jinnie assigning some sort of societal designation based upon
>> >> the trappings.
>> >
>> >Yup went thru S/L--> FJC in my late 50's so I'm pretty old by now and
>> >I've always found if it walks like a duck and talks like a
>> >duck......well FILL IT IN girlyman
>> >> "Snuffie? He's an idiot." WHo you think mighta said that?
>> >
>> >Cudda been 9 or 10 different people said that, I didn't play favorites
>> >when harassing
>> >high strung skygods. and that ain't no shit
>>
>> More than that, actually.
>
>I can dig that....a lotta people in the sport are scaird of dieing....A
>guy pushing the envelope just makes their fear worse---
Especially if that dingleberry is blindly including other people along
without their knowledge until during or after the fact. What you term
as "scared of dieing," was simply skydivers looking out for each
other.
>Geeze can you
>immagine that, they never completly overcome their student fears----SEE
>WHAT AFF DID FOR THE SPORT?
Nevermind that the bulk of the people who were avoiding your dumb ass,
not inviting you on their bigways, reading you the riot act (or just
the girls you ran from off the dz) went SL.
> >
>> But then, this was back in the 90's. You
>> know, before things went to hell.
>
>Yuh I'd say they went to hell when your girlyboy type begain joining in
>the mid 90's.
Nevermind the huge "mainstream influx" which had already been in the
pipe for years before that. I'd say that in your own blinkered,
self-serving take, it all went to hell the moment it became clear you
weren't gonna be skydiving anymore.
>Politically the USPA had been on the decline for a while though---
Politically? What, you playing politics now? 'Bout par for the
hypocritical course you tend to take.
>You
>know
>trying to punk everything into a GM/DZO pattern by throwing money at
>that particular program at the dues paying jumpers expense---
Nevermind that no one was holding a gun saying they had to jump at GM
dz's. I mean, you jumped at the GM places - more hypocrite, you.
>by hook or
>by crook...being a old pirate myself I gotta admire that, even if I
>don't like it
Hell, I'd say you like it - gives you something else to whine about.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 22 May 2006 09:35:23 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> On 18 May 2006 11:28:32 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> No porosity? Do you even know what porosity means, dummy?
> >
> >Yup, we were taught shit like that on student status back then,
>
> Doesn't say much for the teaching when you say the student canopies
> you were trying to land were difficult to land because they had "no
> porosity."
That was more of a wake up call for the non serious about skydiving
types.
It could be considered a teaching aide----Work harder on your PLF's HAW
HAW HAW
~well mabe more an incintive~
> > at least the
> >SPX Leauge City S/L crowd was---cain't speak for the Tandem & AFF
> >sissy's they were money cows---I can say all students were required to
> >show packing proficincy among other things to get signed off student
> >status though. Mike Smith ran a good program
>
> Did they have to know what porosity means?
Yes you could be asked anything on review before sign off----The S/L
pigs
even had to demonstrate proficiency in taking apart and putting
together the 3 ring system. You had to then show you could clean your
lines and re insert them wiothout creating a choke point where they
might cross---When we had the old hard cable housing
pinch points were no big deal but soft cable housings were discovered
and coming on line. You could get into real trouble with soft cable
housings---You had to change out canopys several times then go out
immediatly and jump it....this was a training perk, it amused the older
SL/JM's but woaaaa into the student who failed to run his A lines, ever
fly then land a canopy hooked up backwards? So your whining trying to
get a little sympathy and they ask you the killer question--------->Why
didn't you cut away?
> >Still, 80
> >> to stand one up - it's clear that either the skydivers looking after
> >> you then certainly couldn't teach you how to stand up some big,
> >> forgiving square or more likely, and just a guess, you were the only
> >> student of probably many students over that period, jumping the same
> >> "no porocity" student gear who took 80 jumps to stand one up. Blame
> >> the equipment, eh?
> >
> >I think the canopy being new material with better porosity did the
> >trick cuz the turn around was instantanious
>
> Better porosity, meaning less porosity?
~more~
>
>
> >>
> >> >bought a new J-5
> >> >and F265 and began nailing the landings ~most of the time~
> >>
> >> Right, just a matter of getting you under a canopy heralded as, "The
> >> Falcon is a favorite canopy for many drop zone's Accelerated Freefall
> >> applications."
> >>
> >We only had one Falcon at SPX back then the rest were Manta's and
> >Man-o-Wars...
> >The Falcon was newer and yer right---the AFF student twits got first
> >choice on it
>
> And when it came down to you finally getting your own canopy - you
> bought the "favorite canopy for many drop zone's Accelerated Freefall
> applications."
>
Hell ya I wanted to be somewhat modern: BUT I drew the line at out
right skygoddy shit like Fruity colors, Reflexs and ZP canopy material
> >> >> >sides I cud barely run out a
> >> >> >1 to 1 loaded
> >> >> >falcon----ZP?
> >> >>
> >> >> Barely? How about rarely?
> >
> >No need to run if you hit the sweet spot you little banty assed punk
>
> No need to pick yourself up 80 times, either.
Hey! PLF was taught big time, falling down was expected
>
> >> >>
> >> >> >Maybe cuz I jumped the Sabre a few times in Quincy----it
> >> >> >was a cow.
> >> >>
> >> >> Heh - you did that ~once~. So, in your estimate it flew like a cow.
> >
> >Actually 10 or 15 jumps on a Sabre, the Monark was a better zp----just
> >had to many cells
>
> Oh yeah, too many - ummm...how many cells in the Saber? How many in
> the Falcon?
Same "9" but LaBlanck told me once if you cut a Sabre above 170 it lost
its punch
Now the Monach had 11 and may have gotten up to 21 at one time I think,
it was a hybred as far a being Zp...the top and bottom cells were of
different material---old and new------>F111 and Zp....That sucker would
surf you into the tree's if ya wuzzn't carefull.
A bitch to bag also. 0~;-*
> >
> >> >> Whoopty shit and keep in mind this from the Precision Aerodynamics
> >> >> site, "The Falcon is a favorite canopy for many drop zone's
> >> >> Accelerated Freefall applications." Shit too funny.
> >
> >You shouldn't believe those Canopy Mfgr's---they never tell the whole
> >story and stretch the truth worse than any of my "piss off the boots."
>
> Not even a canopy manufacturer making the canopy you preferred?
I don't play favorites boy...and this bit of wisdom I leave you, never
trust any Mfgr's speel
Especially industries related to skydiving;
They all fall under the ~moneys involved
sanction~
0~ ;)
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>Jerry K. wrote:
>> On 22 May 2006 09:35:23 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
>> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Jerry K. wrote:
>> >> On 18 May 2006 11:28:32 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
>> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> No porosity? Do you even know what porosity means, dummy?
>> >
>> >Yup, we were taught shit like that on student status back then,
>>
>> Doesn't say much for the teaching when you say the student canopies
>> you were trying to land were difficult to land because they had "no
>> porosity."
>
> That was more of a wake up call for the non serious about skydiving
>types.
>It could be considered a teaching aide----Work harder on your PLF's HAW
>HAW HAW
> ~well mabe more an incintive~
I wanna hear more about 80 jumps of biffing in due to canopies with
"no porosity."
>
>
>> > at least the
>> >SPX Leauge City S/L crowd was---cain't speak for the Tandem & AFF
>> >sissy's they were money cows---I can say all students were required to
>> >show packing proficincy among other things to get signed off student
>> >status though. Mike Smith ran a good program
>>
>> Did they have to know what porosity means?
>
>Yes you could be asked anything on review before sign off----
So, you're saying you weren't asked as to the nature of the porosity
of the student canopies.
>The S/L
>pigs
>even had to demonstrate proficiency in taking apart and putting
>together the 3 ring system.
How 'bout removing dirt, mud, and grass from the gear techniques?
>You had to then show you could clean your
>lines and re insert them wiothout creating a choke point where they
>might cross---When we had the old hard cable housing
>pinch points were no big deal but soft cable housings were discovered
>and coming on line. You could get into real trouble with soft cable
>housings---You had to change out canopys several times then go out
>immediatly and jump it....this was a training perk, it amused the older
>SL/JM's but woaaaa into the student who failed to run his A lines, ever
>fly then land a canopy hooked up backwards? So your whining trying to
>get a little sympathy and they ask you the killer question--------->Why
>didn't you cut away?
Heheheheh - that's just stupid enough to be believable - so, how did
you go about hooking it up backwards and why didn't ya cut it away?
>
>
>> >Still, 80
>> >> to stand one up - it's clear that either the skydivers looking after
>> >> you then certainly couldn't teach you how to stand up some big,
>> >> forgiving square or more likely, and just a guess, you were the only
>> >> student of probably many students over that period, jumping the same
>> >> "no porocity" student gear who took 80 jumps to stand one up. Blame
>> >> the equipment, eh?
>> >
>> >I think the canopy being new material with better porosity did the
>> >trick cuz the turn around was instantanious
>>
>> Better porosity, meaning less porosity?
>
> ~more~
Guess it's confirmed they didn't ask you about what porosity meant.
So, you're saying a canopy which has more porosity has a more of an
"instantaneous turnaround" than a canopy which has less porosity. Umm
- ZP, dumbass? Stands for ZERO POROSITY. Wanna mine this further,
Jinnie? You've stepped in it (again) so what's it gonna be? You
gonna flail deeper and deeper into the brown as you try to explain how
more porosity allowed you to finally stand up a landing after 80
jumps. Shit too funny, dingleberry!
>>
>>
>> >>
>> >> >bought a new J-5
>> >> >and F265 and began nailing the landings ~most of the time~
>> >>
>> >> Right, just a matter of getting you under a canopy heralded as, "The
>> >> Falcon is a favorite canopy for many drop zone's Accelerated Freefall
>> >> applications."
>> >>
>> >We only had one Falcon at SPX back then the rest were Manta's and
>> >Man-o-Wars...
>> >The Falcon was newer and yer right---the AFF student twits got first
>> >choice on it
>>
>> And when it came down to you finally getting your own canopy - you
>> bought the "favorite canopy for many drop zone's Accelerated Freefall
>> applications."
>>
> Hell ya I wanted to be somewhat modern:
Nevermind that the Falcon came out in when, 1986?
>BUT I drew the line at out
>right skygoddy shit like Fruity colors, Reflexs and ZP canopy material
Riiiiight - you were saving that aesthetic for your fruity blue and
yellow BodySport and, lest we forget, the yellow painted protec. But,
let's mine the "skygoddy shit," (trapings of affluence and other caste
differentiations) a bit - colors - well, I've already mentioned your
suit and painted protec, rigs - you did end up getting a Javelin and
how much you wanna bet there might have been some of those mean o'l
"skygods" who mighta been also jumping Javelins? And ZP - I'm
thinking, given how fucking long it took you to stand up a landing,
it's a sure bet no one was recommending you go with a ZP canopy - even
at 80 jumps. Like giving a faster car to someone who can't see the
road. Under F111 there'd be some bumps, bruises, and dents, here and
there but put you under a ZP? Sooner or later and probably sooner -
just a matter of time before you fucked someone up, put a hole in a
building, or otherwise got yourself in over your head, and out of
control
>
>
>> >> >> >sides I cud barely run out a
>> >> >> >1 to 1 loaded
>> >> >> >falcon----ZP?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Barely? How about rarely?
>> >
>> >No need to run if you hit the sweet spot you little banty assed punk
>>
>> No need to pick yourself up 80 times, either.
>
>Hey! PLF was taught big time, falling down was expected
Right - and no need to PLF if you hit the "sweet spot," dingleberry.
Whoopty shit, PLF is still taught - it doesn't make you special but
sorry, Jinnie - falling down is expcted in the beginning, and it's
better to fall and spread the impact than to try to rough it out
standing but after 80 jumps? Under a big, steerable, and forgiving
square? Bullshit and tell us another, why doncha? - Falling down is
not expected for that many jumps. I mean, for you it was expected,
I'll give you that.
>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Maybe cuz I jumped the Sabre a few times in Quincy----it
>> >> >> >was a cow.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Heh - you did that ~once~. So, in your estimate it flew like a cow.
>> >
>> >Actually 10 or 15 jumps on a Sabre, the Monark was a better zp----just
>> >had to many cells
>>
>> Oh yeah, too many - ummm...how many cells in the Saber? How many in
>> the Falcon?
>
>Same "9" but LaBlanck told me once if you cut a Sabre above 170 it lost
>its punch
Right, so if there's too many cells in one canopy, how come there
ain't too many in another canopy when the reality is, it has the same
number of cells as the other?
>Now the Monach had 11 and may have gotten up to 21 at one time I think,
Dumbass - this from Precision, "The Monarch Series of ~nine cell~
main canopies was developed by Precision Aerodynamics to answer the
call of experienced skydivers who want to extract maximum performance
from a Zero-P canopy."
And, ummm - you stepped in it again.
>it was a hybred as far a being Zp...the top and bottom cells were of
>different material---old and new------>F111 and Zp....That sucker would
>surf you into the tree's if ya wuzzn't carefull.
This is a typical Jinnieism - that any canopy would surf anyone into
some object or goup of objects. Who's flying the canopy, dingleberry?
Or should we keep in mind the world of Jinnie where the canopy flies
the pilot, not the other way around?
>A bitch to bag also.
You just didn't know how to do it.
>> >
>> >> >> Whoopty shit and keep in mind this from the Precision Aerodynamics
>> >> >> site, "The Falcon is a favorite canopy for many drop zone's
>> >> >> Accelerated Freefall applications." Shit too funny.
>> >
>> >You shouldn't believe those Canopy Mfgr's---they never tell the whole
>> >story and stretch the truth worse than any of my "piss off the boots."
>>
>> Not even a canopy manufacturer making the canopy you preferred?
>
>I don't play favorites boy...
You don't skydive, either. But then, which manufacturer would you
believe more, the ones which make the Javelin or the one which made
the Reflex?
>and this bit of wisdom I leave you, never
>trust any Mfgr's speel
>Especially industries related to skydiving;
So, when Precision say their Monarch is a 9 cell canopy, this isn't
true because the Monarch in reality has 11 or even 21 cells? Shit too
funny!
> They all fall under the ~moneys involved
>sanction~
Which brings us back to one of your excuses for not trying your act
live on dropzones - don't wanna spend the money. Just another "spiel"
going on. Whatsa matter? Too much porosity concerning your income?
Or is that a good thing?
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Opps, there I was thinking of your tu tu again <snigger>
>
> Guess it's confirmed they didn't ask you about what porosity meant.
> So, you're saying a canopy which has more porosity has a more of an
> "instantaneous turnaround" than a canopy which has less porosity. Umm
> - ZP, dumbass? Stands for ZERO POROSITY. Wanna mine this further,
> Jinnie? You've stepped in it (again) so what's it gonna be? You
> gonna flail deeper and deeper into the brown as you try to explain how
> more porosity allowed you to finally stand up a landing after 80
> jumps. Shit too funny, dingleberry!
The Manta's mussta had some less cuz they were well patched, and I
forgot you need a Zp to land sonny, as for more porosity----HELL YEAH
on the student gear those AFF
wennies are using----Lets rattle some teeth and see who's serious about
sticking with it and who's not. Also about that pink tu tu you have hid
in yer closet----drag it out and put it on It should go good with those
booties GIRLYBOY! 0~;>
>
> >>
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >bought a new J-5
> >> >> >and F265 and began nailing the landings ~most of the time~
> >> >>
> >> >> Right, just a matter of getting you under a canopy heralded as, "The
> >> >> Falcon is a favorite canopy for many drop zone's Accelerated Freefall
> >> >> applications."
> >> >>
> >> >We only had one Falcon at SPX back then the rest were Manta's and
> >> >Man-o-Wars...
> >> >The Falcon was newer and yer right---the AFF student twits got first
> >> >choice on it
> >>
> >> And when it came down to you finally getting your own canopy - you
> >> bought the "favorite canopy for many drop zone's Accelerated Freefall
> >> applications."
> >>
> > Hell ya I wanted to be somewhat modern:
>
> Nevermind that the Falcon came out in when, 1986?
~1987~
bsbd Snuffy
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
Focus, Jinnie, focus. Right now you're trying to gas about having
more porosity in your canopy makes for softer landings and instaneous
turnarounds, not imagining guys in ballet attire behind you who ain't
giving you instantaneous reacharounds. Pay attention.
>>
>> Guess it's confirmed they didn't ask you about what porosity meant.
>> So, you're saying a canopy which has more porosity has a more of an
>> "instantaneous turnaround" than a canopy which has less porosity. Umm
>> - ZP, dumbass? Stands for ZERO POROSITY. Wanna mine this further,
>> Jinnie? You've stepped in it (again) so what's it gonna be? You
>> gonna flail deeper and deeper into the brown as you try to explain how
>> more porosity allowed you to finally stand up a landing after 80
>> jumps. Shit too funny, dingleberry!
>
>The Manta's mussta had some less cuz they were well patched, and I
>forgot you need a Zp to land sonny,
And you needed an AFF student canopy to stop biffing in on such a
regular basis. If it makes you feel better, Jinnie - sure. Just keep
in mind that I got more jumps on F111 than you ever made, ever. More
standups under 'em, for that matter. I'm not saying there's a lot.
>as for more porosity----HELL YEAH
>on the student gear those AFF
>wennies are using----
But if those "AFF wennies" were using student gear with "more
porosity," then they were under canopies that came down harder,
faster, had less bottom end, and were more difficult to land. But
then, you're contradicting yourself...again. More porosity? Here's
what you gargled earlier:
"it took about 80 jumps to stand one up---I was renting that old
ragged out no perosity student gear at SPX Leauge City for at least
that many jumps"
You really should pay attention more, dingleberry. It would help if
you bothered to learn what porosity meant, nevermind paid attention to
what they were trying to teach you back during that short period of
time when you prancing your dumb ass at dropzones.
>Lets rattle some teeth and see who's serious about
>sticking with it and who's not.
Let's? As in, "Let us?" There was no "us" about it when it came down
to issuing canopies to students or even to those without gear, off
student status. You were out of that decision making loop, so spare
us the pretense, jackass. "Lets rattle some teeth and see who's
serious about sticking with it and who's not." You may have once
imagined that was going on but if you expect anyone to believe that
some dingleberry, 300-jump wonder (as in, wonder how he hasn't broken
his dumb neck, yet) was in a position to "rattle teeth" and "see who's
serious" by issuing canopies of varying, if not dubious porosity, then
you're fooling yourself...again.
>Also about that pink tu tu you have hid
>in yer closet----drag it out and put it on It should go good with those
>booties GIRLYBOY!
Oh, what a cutting jibe. A touch, I do confess. Yo, Jinnie - you got
a better argument defending the idea that some "no porosity" canopy
was responsible for you biffing in 80 some odd jumps in a row than
gargling some suggestion about guys in pink tutu's? On that note,
just keep in mind, Jinnie - you might be able to wear a tutu just like
you imagine or suggest others who deconstruct your various, dumbass
assertions might but there's no substitution for the reality that,
tutu or no, your dumb, tutu'd ass ain't skydiving.
>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >bought a new J-5
>> >> >> >and F265 and began nailing the landings ~most of the time~
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Right, just a matter of getting you under a canopy heralded as, "The
>> >> >> Falcon is a favorite canopy for many drop zone's Accelerated Freefall
>> >> >> applications."
>> >> >>
>> >> >We only had one Falcon at SPX back then the rest were Manta's and
>> >> >Man-o-Wars...
>> >> >The Falcon was newer and yer right---the AFF student twits got first
>> >> >choice on it
>> >>
>> >> And when it came down to you finally getting your own canopy - you
>> >> bought the "favorite canopy for many drop zone's Accelerated Freefall
>> >> applications."
>> >>
>> > Hell ya I wanted to be somewhat modern:
>>
>> Nevermind that the Falcon came out in when, 1986?
>
> ~1987~
>
>bsbd Snuffy
You shoud do your homework better, Jinnie. From Precision,
"The Falcon 9 cell canopy was introduced by Precision Aerodynamics in
1986."
Oh, right - manufacturer's are all about the bottom line and
everything they say is suspect. So, even though they might say their
canopy was ingtroduced in 1986, you know better. That how it goes,
dingleberry?
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 24 May 2006 12:08:47 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> On 23 May 2006 09:33:47 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> And you needed an AFF student canopy to stop biffing in on such a
> regular basis.
No, I just needed a new canopy....one called mine ;)
> If it makes you feel better, Jinnie - sure. Just keep
> in mind that I got more jumps on F111 than you ever made, ever. More
> standups under 'em, for that matter. I'm not saying there's a lot.
>
> >as for more porosity----HELL YEAH
> >on the student gear those AFF
> >wennies are using----
>
> But if those "AFF wennies" were using student gear with "more
> porosity," then they were under canopies that came down harder,
> faster, had less bottom end, and were more difficult to land. But
> then, you're contradicting yourself...again. More porosity? Here's
> what you gargled earlier:
Speaking of the AFF wennies, I wuz surfing and noticed Waller only
offers Tandem
and AFF.....WHATS UP WITH THAT? Their not a real DZ anymore? Certainly
not a full service one.....things have gone down hill since Dick sold
out and retired eh? Yawl
put in a game room for the urban funnel flyers yet? Why not, yer
certainly not a serious DZ anymore...just another USPA Tandem mill.
<snear>
>
> >> Nevermind that the Falcon came out in when, 1986?
> >
> > ~1987~
> >
> >bsbd Snuffy
>
> You shoud do your homework better, Jinnie. From Precision,
>
> "The Falcon 9 cell canopy was introduced by Precision Aerodynamics in
> 1986."
~1987~
>
> Oh, right - manufacturer's are all about the bottom line and
> everything they say is suspect. So, even though they might say their
> canopy was ingtroduced in 1986, you know better. That how it goes,
> dingleberry?
yes and yes
I know shit that scares the Navy too so don't feel special girly boy!
0~;-)
>
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
bsbd
a old pirate
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>Jerry K. wrote:
>> On 24 May 2006 12:08:47 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
>> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Jerry K. wrote:
>> >> On 23 May 2006 09:33:47 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
>> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>> And you needed an AFF student canopy to stop biffing in on such a
>> regular basis.
>
>
>No, I just needed a new canopy....one called mine ;)
And that new canopy ended up being an AFF student canopy, no less. But
then, are you now suggesting that it was because you didn't own the
canopy, that was why you biffed in 80 some odd times in a row?
>
>
>> If it makes you feel better, Jinnie - sure. Just keep
>> in mind that I got more jumps on F111 than you ever made, ever. More
>> standups under 'em, for that matter. I'm not saying there's a lot.
>>
>> >as for more porosity----HELL YEAH
>> >on the student gear those AFF
>> >wennies are using----
>>
>> But if those "AFF wennies" were using student gear with "more
>> porosity," then they were under canopies that came down harder,
>> faster, had less bottom end, and were more difficult to land. But
>> then, you're contradicting yourself...again. More porosity? Here's
>> what you gargled earlier:
>
>Speaking of the AFF wennies, I wuz surfing and noticed Waller only
>offers Tandem
>and AFF.....WHATS UP WITH THAT? Their not a real DZ anymore? Certainly
>not a full service one.....things have gone down hill since Dick sold
>out and retired eh?
Since when does providing for tandem and AFF somehow qualify a dz as
"not a real dz?" As for the rest, no, they got SL, nothing new there,
and Dick never sold out, never retired, you're just imagining shit to
bitch about, and in so doing, give yourself some sort of lameass
platform in order to make yourself feel better about yourself. Let's
look at it this way, say there was only AFF and tandem and say Dick
had retired - how does this concern you in the slightest - beyond just
liking to bitch about things because you are unwilling or unable to
change those things which chap your ass so much.?
>Yawl
>put in a game room for the urban funnel flyers yet? Why not, yer
>certainly not a serious DZ anymore...just another USPA Tandem mill.
Not that I know of but what if they had? Since when does the type of
student training available indicate what is "serious" and what is not?
What are you gonna do about it, dingleberry? Beyond whining, of
course.
>>
>> >> Nevermind that the Falcon came out in when, 1986?
>> >
>> > ~1987~
>> >
>> >bsbd Snuffy
>>
>> You shoud do your homework better, Jinnie. From Precision,
>>
>> "The Falcon 9 cell canopy was introduced by Precision Aerodynamics in
>> 1986."
>
>
> ~1987~
Hell, Jinnie - since you probably looked at the dz website and
concluded somehow that they are only offering AFF and tandem for
students and you're taking it at face value, how come you don't buy
what Precision says about one of their canopies on their site? They
say it was introduced in 1986 and no matter how strident you get
purporting, "~1987~," it doesn't change the reality.
>>
>> Oh, right - manufacturer's are all about the bottom line and
>> everything they say is suspect. So, even though they might say their
>> canopy was ingtroduced in 1986, you know better. That how it goes,
>> dingleberry?
>
>
> yes and yes
So, them saying 1986 is a bottom line issue? Yeah, that makes
dingleberry sense, I suppose. So, even though you've never been
affilliated with Precision and even though your only contact with
Precision was the supposition that you, at one time, had some bigboy
student canopy for a main that was made by Precision, and even though
this canopy was introduced before you ever sport skydived, and even
though Precision, the people who made and introduced the canopy say
they introduced their canopy in 1986, you know better? Sorry,
dingleberry - as has often been proved in the past, just because you
say it does not mean there is any grasp of reality in what you say.
Who people gonna believe? Some dingleberry who had a Falcon for a
couple hundred jumps or the entity which introduced and still sells
the Falcon?
>I know shit that scares the Navy too so don't feel special girly boy!
This is the same navy which you quit, of course. Don't feel special,
Jinnie - you weren't the first dingleberry to quit that institution.
> a old pirate
If pretension were an indicator of piracy, perhaps. The reality is,
you may dream of having once been some sort of pirate because the idea
makes you feel special, and somehow superior or different or even
non-conformist but the truth of the matter is, mister pirate, you're
pretending to be some "pirate" via the internet, with a computer tied
into some electronic grid, and likely nearby are perhaps a television
set and a thermostat. No, you're a poser. Get your ass to a dropzone
or take it to the RV newsgroup - here, it's just gonna be more
ridicule, as per standard.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
> > >> Nevermind that the Falcon came out in when, 1986?
> > >
> > > ~1987~
> > >
> > >bsbd Snuffy
> >
> > You shoud do your homework better, Jinnie. From Precision,
> >
> > "The Falcon 9 cell canopy was introduced by Precision Aerodynamics in
> > 1986."
>
>
> ~1987~
> >
> > Oh, right - manufacturer's are all about the bottom line and
> > everything they say is suspect. So, even though they might say their
> > canopy was ingtroduced in 1986, you know better. That how it goes,
> > dingleberry?
>
>
> yes and yes
> I know shit that scares the Navy too so don't feel special girly boy!
> 0~;-)
> >
> > ...bsrp
> > ...jlk
> bsbd
>
It might have been in R&D in 1986 but it didn't go on the market until
1987and why bother to read their web site? Bout like yers, claiming a
expert medal that was really
an intermediate and oh by the way------you weren't even on the team
when they skeezed it. Nutman and I were discussing this on another
thread---you know history and how
its jacked around..I'd say its just a honest mistake on their part
except the industry
standard is to color the truth---Take that Zero P shit we were arguing
about...Mfgr's
sell those canopys as Zero Porisity and thats not true, their just less
porosity
not zero.....Now mabe NASA has something in R&D that can truly be used
as ZP
on sport canopys, who knows.....Mylar is pretty tight air wise only
problem is its
flimsy tending to crinkle and fold over on itself...it can be mixed
with other things
but no I wouldn't recommend mylar as canopy material. You come from a
sport
that tends to put out misconceptions. Artta be called used car dot com
<eg>
the unknown flailer
the unknown flailer wrote:
> Jerry K. wrote:
> > On 23 May 2006 09:33:47 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> > <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> > > ~more~
>
> Opps, there I was thinking of your tu tu again <snigger>
> >
> > Guess it's confirmed they didn't ask you about what porosity meant.
> > So, you're saying a canopy which has more porosity has a more of an
> > "instantaneous turnaround" than a canopy which has less porosity. Umm
> > - ZP, dumbass? Stands for ZERO POROSITY. Wanna mine this further,
> > Jinnie? You've stepped in it (again) so what's it gonna be? You
> > gonna flail deeper and deeper into the brown as you try to explain how
> > more porosity allowed you to finally stand up a landing after 80
> > jumps. Shit too funny, dingleberry!
Yes it is cuz their selling less porosity not zero porosity.....A
misconception
fostered by a industry that thinks truth in advertizing should be based
on a
used car lots conception of truth......Its about money, not the truth,
you should
know that after your'e team dummyed up that RW medal you put up on yer
vanity sight years ago. LESS POROSITY Their is no true ZP in the
sport,
So try the truth for a change
~Fess up to jumping a LP~
young dingleberrys
> bsbd Snuffy
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>> > >> Nevermind that the Falcon came out in when, 1986?
>> > >
>> > > ~1987~
>> > >
>> > >bsbd Snuffy
>> >
>> > You shoud do your homework better, Jinnie. From Precision,
>> >
>> > "The Falcon 9 cell canopy was introduced by Precision Aerodynamics in
>> > 1986."
>>
>>
>> ~1987~
>> >
>> > Oh, right - manufacturer's are all about the bottom line and
>> > everything they say is suspect. So, even though they might say their
>> > canopy was ingtroduced in 1986, you know better. That how it goes,
>> > dingleberry?
>>
>>
>> yes and yes
>> I know shit that scares the Navy too so don't feel special girly boy!
>> 0~;-)
>> >
>> > ...bsrp
>> > ...jlk
>> bsbd
>>
>
>It might have been in R&D in 1986 but it didn't go on the market until
>1987
All I said was it was introduced in '86 - you wanna split hairs over
introduction and arriving on the market, kinda girly of ya, is all.
>and why bother to read their web site?
Especially when making shit up is, while provenly inconvienent,
easier.
>Bout like yers, claiming a
>expert medal that was really
>an intermediate
Of course, the reality here is the web site you mention was never
specifically mine or even in part and, for that matter, no medal was
ever claimed as anything other than what it was. Still, you do love
to mention the idea but you never have bothered to bulwark any of
these suggestions with anything substantitive. Why is that?
>and oh by the way------you weren't even on the team
>when they skeezed it.
Not only that, nothing was ever "skeezed," as you put it. I can back
it up, can you?
>Nutman and I were discussing this on another
>thread---you know history and how
>its jacked around..I'd say its just a honest mistake on their part
>except the industry
>standard is to color the truth---
So, what would Precision have to gain by them "coloring the truth"
when they assert their Falcon was introduced in 1986, as opposed to
1987?
>Take that Zero P shit we were arguing
>about...Mfgr's
>sell those canopys as Zero Porisity and thats not true, their just less
>porosity
>not zero.....
Well, calling it a "Less Porosity than F111 Canopy" is kinda unwieldy.
The reality is, F111 becomes more porous as it is used and ages, but
ZP material, with it's coating inhibits this aging process
significantly over a greater period of time. Of course, if you wanna
quibble that ZP should be called, "Less porosity Loss Over Time than
F111," have a party.
>Now mabe NASA has something in R&D that can truly be used
>as ZP
>on sport canopys, who knows.....Mylar is pretty tight air wise only
>problem is its
>flimsy tending to crinkle and fold over on itself...it can be mixed
>with other things
>but no I wouldn't recommend mylar as canopy material.
So, when Precision also says about the Falcon, "When jumped at the
upper end of the weight range, the airfoil transforms into a zippy
sportster mode," this can't be true? Or perhaps this is acceptable
because it serves to support and comfort the rhetoric?
>You come from a
>sport
>that tends to put out misconceptions. Artta be called used car dot com
And this from a dingleberry whose bread and butter is sewing
misconception. Of course, you could perhaps explain your ealier
assertion, " it took about 80 jumps to stand one up---I was renting
that old ragged out no perosity student gear" - or was there perhaps a
misconception on your part as to the meaning of "no porosity?"
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>the unknown flailer wrote:
>> Jerry K. wrote:
>> > On 23 May 2006 09:33:47 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
>> > <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>> > > ~more~
>>
>> Opps, there I was thinking of your tu tu again <snigger>
>> >
>> > Guess it's confirmed they didn't ask you about what porosity meant.
>> > So, you're saying a canopy which has more porosity has a more of an
>> > "instantaneous turnaround" than a canopy which has less porosity. Umm
>> > - ZP, dumbass? Stands for ZERO POROSITY. Wanna mine this further,
>> > Jinnie? You've stepped in it (again) so what's it gonna be? You
>> > gonna flail deeper and deeper into the brown as you try to explain how
>> > more porosity allowed you to finally stand up a landing after 80
>> > jumps. Shit too funny, dingleberry!
>
>Yes it is cuz their selling less porosity not zero porosity.....
Which does nothing to explain your whining about biffing in 80 some
odd times in a row under a "ragged out no porosity" student canopy.
Seems to me, and reality shows, that an old student canopy would be
anything but "no porosity."
>A
>misconception
>fostered by a industry that thinks truth in advertizing should be based
>on a
>used car lots conception of truth.
As opposed to you where the idea of truth only goes so far as to serve
and support the comforting rhetoric.
>.....Its about money, not the truth,
Oh, I dunno, think any bigboys might be tempted to get themselves a
Falcon when they hear this filthy lucre-driven non-truth, " When
jumped at the upper end of the weight range, the airfoil transforms
into a zippy sportster mode, while maintaining predictable dynamic
flight stability and soft and easy landings."
>you should
>know that after your'e team dummyed up that RW medal you put up on yer
>vanity sight years ago.
Saying it doesn't make it real, Jinnie. Still waiting for something
more than assertion. The realities don't lie - you gonna try to use a
little yourself or would that only serve to display just how "dummyed
up" your assertions are? You're just ill-equipped to believe, much
less understand, the idea of a consumer being discerning. You believe
that because some entity somewhere says something which you might not
believe or accept, that others are not capable of making their own
informed decisions, and what's worse, you believe you know better
about what total strangers wish to do with what they have. Just a
matter of control - you have little, but the idea of you having what
you assert others have little of is in of itself, a demonstration, at
least to yourself, of control.
>LESS POROSITY Their is no true ZP in the
>sport,
Hell, call it what you will, dingleberry. I'm still trying to digest
the idea of you biffing in 80 times in a row under canopies you,
yourself, described as "no porosity." Wanna dig a little more?
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 26 May 2006 10:19:48 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >the unknown flailer wrote:
> >> Jerry K. wrote:
> >> > On 23 May 2006 09:33:47 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> >> > <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >> > > ~more~
> >>
> >> Opps, there I was thinking of your tu tu again <snigger>
> >> >
> >> > Guess it's confirmed they didn't ask you about what porosity meant.
nope, perhaps they knew I would remain pure
>>try to explain how more porosity allowed you to finally stand up a landing after 80
> >> > jumps. Shit too funny, dingleberry!
Not one thing but several probably...I was well into my 50's and far
sighted when
I took up the sport----never got ground rush for some reason, just
started sticking the landing when I bought new gear is all I can tell
you---used the tree's and structures for a reference point.....15 to 18
ft was the best starting point to begin the flare for me it seems
> >
> >And besides their selling less porosity not zero porosity.....
>
> Which does nothing to explain your whining about biffing in 80 some
> odd times in a row under a "ragged out no porosity" student canopy.
> Seems to me, and reality shows, that an old student canopy would be
> anything but "no porosity."
I needed less porosity than the student and rental gear of the time
provided but
more compared to a girly boy like yourself. Nothing like a solid thump
after jumping
to feel like you actually came to earth. You see I'm from a tougher
generation than you
>
> >.....Selling gear Is about money, not necessarly the truth,
>
> Oh, I dunno, think any bigboys might be tempted to get themselves a
> Falcon when they hear this filthy lucre-driven non-truth, " When
> jumped at the upper end of the weight range, the airfoil transforms
> into a zippy sportster mode, while maintaining predictable dynamic
> flight stability and soft and easy landings."
I cain't say what the modern big boys will do, probably ask mommy to
pop
for a less p canopy....Are younger people still jumping F111 material
out there?
>
> >you should
> >know that after your'e team dummyed up that RW medal you put up on yer
> >vanity sight years ago.
>
> Saying it doesn't make it real, Jinnie.
So, you are saying believe nothing you or team flail puts up on yer WEB
pages eh?
> >LESS POROSITY Their is no true ZP in the
> >sport,
>
> Hell, call it what you will, dingleberry. I'm still trying to digest
> the idea of you biffing in 80 times in a row
Yuh more than a easy out type like you would put up with no doubt. ;->
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>Jerry K. wrote:
>> On 26 May 2006 10:19:48 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
>> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >the unknown flailer wrote:
>> >> Jerry K. wrote:
>> >> > On 23 May 2006 09:33:47 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
>> >> > <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>> >> > > ~more~
>> >>
>> >> Opps, there I was thinking of your tu tu again <snigger>
>> >> >
>> >> > Guess it's confirmed they didn't ask you about what porosity meant.
>
> nope, perhaps they knew I would remain pure
Pure idiot - people remember. But then, this is keeping in mind the
retarded supposition that some "they" would be "asking questions"
before the granting of some right or privledge - but back to your take
on "porosity." -
>> > Better porosity, meaning less porosity?
>> ~more~
If "more" porosity is "better" and ragged out F111 student canopies,
by the nature of their f111, have more porosity than a new F111, how
then did you arrive at the boneheaded assertion that it was "ragged
out, no porosity student canopies" which were to blame for you being
unable to accomplish the simple exercise of standing up a landing at a
greater ratio than 1 out of 80.
>
>>>try to explain how more porosity allowed you to finally stand up a landing after 80
>> >> > jumps. Shit too funny, dingleberry!
>
>Not one thing but several probably...
You did say something about ragged out "no porosity" student canopies,
remember?
>I was well into my 50's and far
>sighted when
>I took up the sport----
Inability is inability but it is curious how you, depending on the
rhetoric at hand, use age as some excuse or a crutch, only to later
employ it to explain some sense of personal superiority over others
who might be of a different age.
>never got ground rush for some reason, just
>started sticking the landing when I bought new gear is all I can tell
>you---
Nevermind that you earlier attributed this lack of sticking the
landings for 80 some odd jumps was due to canopies with "no porosity."
>used the tree's and structures for a reference point.....15 to 18
>ft was the best starting point to begin the flare for me it seems
And these trees, structures, as beginning points for beginning a flare
were elluding you for the first 80. "No porosity canopy" or something
else in play here? Like, inability, perhaps?
>> >
>> >And besides their selling less porosity not zero porosity.....
>>
>> Which does nothing to explain your whining about biffing in 80 some
>> odd times in a row under a "ragged out no porosity" student canopy.
>> Seems to me, and reality shows, that an old student canopy would be
>> anything but "no porosity."
>
>I needed less porosity than the student and rental gear of the time
>provided
Hell, by your earlier suggestion that it was because of age and
eyesight, you needed to be younger with better vision.
>but
>more compared to a girly boy like yourself.
Nevermind that you have no frame of reference and are making guesses.
The truth of it is, I jumped F111 student canopies (most, if not all
with more porosity than "none") and I, like most people learning under
those canopies, didn't take 80 some odd jumps before standing one up.
>Nothing like a solid thump
>after jumping
>to feel like you actually came to earth.
For that matter, nothing like stepping down and watching the canopy
start to fall towards your feet. But then, nothing like the hoots of
people giving you shit for biffing 80 times in a row. What, now
you're saying you put yourself through the "solid thump" experience
becasue you meant to? SOP, Jinnie -
"HAHHAWHAH - you ever gonna stand one up, Jinnie?"
"I meant to do that."
>You see I'm from a tougher
>generation than you
This is as may be but then, this doesn't explain how you, this
representitive of a "tougher generation" couldn't last in skydiving
for more than a few years and, ultimately had to stop because he
wasn't "tough" enough to continue, while others, some perhaps from a
different generation have not had to stop.
>>
>> >.....Selling gear Is about money, not necessarly the truth,
>>
>> Oh, I dunno, think any bigboys might be tempted to get themselves a
>> Falcon when they hear this filthy lucre-driven non-truth, " When
>> jumped at the upper end of the weight range, the airfoil transforms
>> into a zippy sportster mode, while maintaining predictable dynamic
>> flight stability and soft and easy landings."
>
> I cain't say what the modern big boys will do, probably ask mommy to
>pop
>for a less p canopy....Are younger people still jumping F111 material
>out there?
Sure. Not too many Falcons out there - well, you still see AFF
students under 'em.
>>
>> >you should
>> >know that after your'e team dummyed up that RW medal you put up on yer
>> >vanity sight years ago.
>>
>> Saying it doesn't make it real, Jinnie.
>
>So, you are saying believe nothing you or team flail puts up on yer WEB
>pages eh?
No, I'm saying because you suggest something over and over, nevermind
the mountain of proof to the contrary of what you contend, does not
make what you assert, and often assert in that regard, real.
>
>
>
>> >LESS POROSITY Their is no true ZP in the
>> >sport,
>>
>> Hell, call it what you will, dingleberry. I'm still trying to digest
>> the idea of you biffing in 80 times in a row
>
>
>Yuh more than a easy out type like you would put up with no doubt.
Digest, that is - you biffing in so consistantly and blaming it on
what you describe as due to canopies with "no porosity." As for "easy
out" and what anyone "would put up with," nice try but I'm not buying
the suggestion that you were biffing in so constantly and
repetitively, only to stop biffing in so regularely because you had
reached a point where you weren't going to put up with it anymore -
that point being, depending on the comforting rhetoric of the moment,
either when you weren't going to put up with it anymore or when you
weren't under some "ragged out no porosity student canopy." But then,
here you are, bogusly suggesting that someone else if they had the
lack of skills and abilities which you you were saddled with, would
not have "put up with" it, thus suggesting they'd quit or something.
Just suppositional imagination on your part - it makes you feel better
about yourself because you continued for a short period of time where
others, you imagine, wouldn't have. Sure, I didn't wanna put up with
constantly scraping mud off of my body, with consistantly fatiguing
the gear I was wearing, with regular slams into the ground so instead
of "putting up with it" and using such a commanding lack of ability as
a crutch to display how "tough" I was as compared to others, like you
did, and are still doing, I listened, learned and practiced and like
virtually every skydiver out there, I sooner or later stopped biffing
in all the time - and in a helluva lot quicker in jumps it took than
80. So, nice try Jinnie (not really) - suggesting others, if they had
such a stunning lack of abilities as you had, would not have continued
in skydiving is inane, as ever. The reality is, you were unable to
continue and the reason for this comes down to a lack of ability -
just like you biffing in so many times in a row - it wasn't the "no
porosity" student canopies you were under. It was what you brought to
the table, and that was damn little.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
>I sooner or later stopped biffing
> in all the time - and in a helluva lot quicker in jumps it took than
> 80.
one would expect a lightweight suckass wearing booties by L7 would do
better than
biffing in at all Jerr.
So, nice try Jinnie
I'm always here to help you USTA youngsters with yer emotions 0~;-*
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>Jerry K. wrote:
>
> >I sooner or later stopped biffing
>> in all the time - and in a helluva lot quicker in jumps it took than
>> 80.
>
>
>one would expect a lightweight suckass wearing booties by L7 would do
>better than
>biffing in at all Jerr.
Oh, right - it's the trappings which deliniate how the landings go,
eh? That sitsuit of yours no doubt brought upon some sort of expected
landing prediction? Actually - just the dingleberry all over you
pretty much provided for the prediction. As for loading and landings,
I wasn't too different from most people. I biffed as I was learning,
like everyone else, and before I had my own gear which was around 30
jumps, I was standing them up consistantly. I've never heard of
someone who spent 80 some odd jumps without even just dumb-lucking
into standing one up, all the while either blaming it on "no porosity"
student canopies or explaining it as just wanting to impact for that
"feeling" of having "truly landed," or some such laughable bullshit.
But then, one would expect such an enormous dingleberry as yourself,
what with that pre-eminent SL training, while under a big, forgiving
F111 square - nevermind the self-proclaimed advantage of "age" (wait,
you're currently using that as an excuse for personal shortcomings -
nevermind), to do better than biffing in four score times in a row.
Right, reality doesn't match your dingleberry expectations which are
based in this case, on rhetorical bullshit manifested by the
considered presence of booties or not, coupled with some imagined
wing-loading ratio. Got news ya, Jinnie - I learned to consistantly
stand up the student canopies I was jumping - and in a lot less jumps
than 80. No big deal - a lot of people aren't as clueless as yourself
and are able to figure out how to stand at least ~one~ up before they
make 80 jumps.
>
>I'm always here to help you USTA youngsters with yer emotions
I'm still laughing about the Falcon being the ideal canopy for AFF
students. Wanna put it in perspective? Shit too funny!
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 8 Jun 2006 09:10:01 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >
> > >I sooner or later stopped biffing
> >> in all the time - and in a helluva lot quicker in jumps it took than
> >> 80.
80 worked for me, course I wuz a S/L pig & a old one at
that...not some little light weight cityboy fairy running around
whining "I'm AFF, I'm AFF. We should get to wear booties & the newest
gear & canopys cuz were precious little money cows." HAW HAW
> >
> >one would expect a lightweight suckass wearing booties by L7 would do
> >better than
> >biffing in at all Jerr.
>
> Oh, right - it's the trappings which deliniate how the landings go,
> eh? That sitsuit of yours no doubt brought upon some sort of expected
> landing prediction?
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
Actually no, it struck fear in the hearts of the Skygod
crowd....fricking wussys going like "oh nooooooo, Snuffys got on his
sit suit---get on the next load or if they couldn't
then it was "GO ROUND, GO ROUND right after my exit, he's gonna be all
over the sky!"
~and they were right~
<smerk>
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>Jerry K. wrote:
>> On 8 Jun 2006 09:10:01 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
>> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Jerry K. wrote:
>> >
>> > >I sooner or later stopped biffing
>> >> in all the time - and in a helluva lot quicker in jumps it took than
>> >> 80.
>
> 80 worked for me, course I wuz a S/L pig & a old one at
>that...
Known lots of people who went SL, olds one's too. None lacked the
ability to stand one up in under 80 jumps.
>not some little light weight cityboy fairy running around
>whining "I'm AFF, I'm AFF. We should get to wear booties & the newest
>gear & canopys cuz were precious little money cows."
Which doesn't say a lot for the people who went SL and the "old ones"
in that your latest hemmorage of rhetorical bullshit along the lines
of you being "a S/L pig & a old one at that," taking 80 jumps to
figure out how to stand up a landing while virtually every other
skydiver out there, the ones who did manage to stand one up in less
jumps than 80, are relegated to what you describe as " little light
weight cityboy fairy running around whining "I'm AFF, I'm AFF. We
should get to wear booties & the newest gear & canopys cuz were
precious little money cows," nevermind if they went SL - though, many
of them did. What, now you're saying AFF, what with it's lack of
canopy training, as compared to SL, and people who might wear booties,
have new gear, and perhaps the money to throw at such things, are by
this endowed with a greater advantage towards learning to stand up
landings? Nope, you're just spouting rhetoric and squeezing your eyes
shut to reality, the stuff of dingleberries - it took you 80 to stand
one up, and it was you trying to stand up a landing and not pulling it
off as much as you tried, and anyone else, no matter what training
program they might have gone through, no matter what sort of
accutrements there might be on their suits, no matter the relative
newness to the market of their gear, was able to stand up a landing in
under 80 jumps. Hell, let's take it a step further - I know tons of
people, old people, young people, SL, AFF, booties, and new gear who
didn't blunder themselves into being under a canopy which was flying
them instead of the other way around, who didn't find themselves
faceplanting into a runway, and out skydiving. Another difference -
they're still skydiving. But then, you know, booties and AFF has just
got to be an advantage towards everything in skydiving, certainly
continuing, if you only consider your truncated attempt to continue in
skydiving.
>> >
>> >one would expect a lightweight suckass wearing booties by L7 would do
>> >better than
>> >biffing in at all Jerr.
>>
>> Oh, right - it's the trappings which deliniate how the landings go,
>> eh? That sitsuit of yours no doubt brought upon some sort of expected
>> landing prediction?
>> ...bsrp
>> ...jlk
>
>Actually no, it struck fear in the hearts of the Skygod
>crowd....
"Skygod crowd" - remember, this was back in the 90's when it was all
cool - not USPA2000 where allegedly, everyone's the "skygod" boogieman
of your nightmares.
>fricking wussys going like "oh nooooooo, Snuffys got on his
>sit suit---get on the next load or if they couldn't
>then it was "GO ROUND, GO ROUND right after my exit, he's gonna be all
>over the sky!"
> ~and they were right~
Hell, they'd seen you try to belly-fly and you couldn't do that for
shit, either (people remember) but it wasn't a matter of being scared
- just a matter of skydivers looking out for each other - no reason to
put one's self into the sky with a flailing, out of control
meat-missle, when they didn't have to.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 12 Jun 2006 10:07:14 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> On 8 Jun 2006 09:10:01 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >I sooner or later stopped biffing
> >> >> in all the time - and in a helluva lot quicker in jumps it took than
> >> >> 80.
> >
> > 80 worked for me, course I wuz a S/L pig & a old one at
> >that...
>
> Known lots of people who went SL, olds one's too. None lacked the
> figure out how to stand up a landing while virtually every other
> skydiver out there, the ones who did manage to stand one up in less
> jumps than 80
> ...jlk
Well hell pilgrim if I knowed it would cause you to have a fall down
skygod fit I
woulda claimed 160 !!! !!! 0~;->
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
Shoot, you go around blaming a demonstrated lack of landing (and
learning) ability and blame it on "no porosity" student canopies,
appears pretty skygoddy of ya to blame the equipment (or the
circumstances) rather than accept the reality and take responsibility.
But then, reality and responsibility were never your forte' -
dingleberries can't handle and don't last long in most environments
when those two items come into play
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
> circumstances) rather than accept the reality and take responsibility.
> But then, reality and responsibility were never your forte' -
> ...jlk
too true, I made a jump after my stroke in a paralitic condition you
USTA squirrls would be afraid to make, biffed in and wrote off the
broken tib & fib but yawl yowled and cryed like baby's....
like you were responsible or sumthing---I think it was the normal thing
yawl are
best at though (((PROJECTING FEAR))) Yer a sissy kid, always have been,
always
will be... tsk tsk tsk
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
What you refer to as "afraid" is simply respect for the high speed
environment and thinking things through. Sure, you can suggest others
might be afraid to do it the way you tried (because only you were
stupid enough to try it the way you did) but just as easy as it is for
you to suggest that others are "afraid," thus suggesting you were
brave, it is no stretch to suggest that you were stupid while others
were evidently smart enough to think things through. You weren't the
first or only one to try to skydive after a debalitating injury but
others who did it, successfully I might add, were smart enough to
think it through, hang a harness, figure out on the ground whether
what they intended to do in the air was doable, or even arrange for a
system which allowed for nominal control of steering and landing with
limited mechanical ability. Too bad for you there was no system for
steering and landing which can take charge when mental ability's
lacking.
>biffed in and wrote off the
>broken tib & fib but yawl yowled and cryed like baby's....
>like you were responsible or sumthing---
Do yourself a favor and write off the skydiving newsgroup. Writing
off tib fibs and the sometimes boneheaded, if not avoidable, sequence
of events which lead to them might play better over on that RV
newsgroup. Have you written off the plan to "return" to your "120 or
so jumps/year?" You certainly haven't written off your urge to bitch
and moan about everything in skydiving which doesn't directly include
yourself. I know people at Beaumont who were there - they shake their
heads. Kinda embarrassed about the whole thing. But, what you
construe as "yowling and crying," about the whole stupid episode is
simply, just an acknowledgement of the bright, red exclamation point
to your short turn in skydiving and what light it throws whenever you
try to present yourself as some sort of authority on all thing
skydiving.
>I think it was the normal thing
>yawl are
>best at though (((PROJECTING FEAR))) Yer a sissy kid, always have been,
>always
>will be.
No, being unprepared is not normal. Well, to be fair, I guess SNAFU
applies well to you. Nor is not thinking things through. Neither is
rampant pretense. But, it's not so much about the subjective
considerations of what is "normal" and what is not, but back to the
root of it all - some people just have problems learning to stand up
landings. No big deal, some people are just quicker at it than
others. But you, instead of admitting this bit of truth, and thus the
galling prospect of admitting that there might be some who might have
been more adept in some aspect of skydiving than you, no - it was due
to "ragged out no porosity canopies," or how "old" you were when you
started jumping, or even - that desire for that feeling of having
"truely landed" as the earth embraced the greater portion of your
carcass. The stuff of jackasses - it was the gear or it was your age,
thus suggesting some sense of superiority in your suggestion that
people younger wouldn't have continued if they had been eating dirt so
much and so consistantly - more of your own stock and trade bullshit,
or it was you just meant to and planned on avoiding standing up a
landing for 80 consequitive jumps. People who mangaged to stand one
up in less jumps than you? "Lightweight skygods," or some such.
There's always some qualifier which while denying the reality, makes
you feel better about your comparative lack of ability. The stuff of
dingleberries. I say that given your ~final~ jump, and the lack of
even minimal preparation involved, that you were what is colloquially
known in skydiving as an Idiot. You say this is just "projecting
fear." Call it what you will. I call it projecting an appreciation
for many things - one of them being the ability to remain current, as
well as projecting ridicule at some jackass poser who, for the want of
thinking things through, ain't current and ain't ever gonna be again.
I'm just projecting monkey-snax and watching the monkey dance - dance
some more, monkey.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
> ...jlk
And to be fair to the sissys who in fact pay their tax's and find ways
to serve their country far in the rear----I retract my sissy statement
lumping you in with them, one has to be afraid in order to be
brave....people like me who were lab experiments in the rush to counter
S.E. Asian Communists with counter insurgery program's had all the
girlyboy shit trained out of them and came to know no bounds or fear.
Perhaps thats why few of the Navy one's lived
You as a hanger on in the sport soly there to skim it are in fact dirt
under the feet of true homosexuals & straight sissys under 65 or 70 who
like to get their knee's in the breeze. 0~;-*
the unknown flailer
> limited mechanical ability. Too bad for you there was no system for
> steering and landing which can take charge when mental ability's
> lacking.
yuh? before we started in the RAM air days Me in 89/90 you in 95/96,
few were steerable but forward speed was less also
> >biffed in and wrote off the
> >broken tib & fib but yawl yowled and cryed like baby's....
> >like you were responsible or sumthing---
>
>
> Do yourself a favor and write off the skydiving newsgroup. Writing
> off tib fibs and the sometimes boneheaded, if not avoidable, sequence
> of events which lead to them might play better over on that RV
> newsgroup.
I no longer live in an RV, Own a 4 bedroom on a third of an acre out by
the lake now...I'm living the American dream girlyboy
I know people at Beaumont who were there - they shake their
> heads. Kinda embarrassed about the whole thing.
I had what 20 or 30 jumps at beaumont?......wuzzn't my home dz kid...I
was from
SPX Leauge City thense Lake Anuach----When they closed down Waller
became
my home DZ...I had a fun jump route, also jumping at SDD, SDSM & SDA-B.
So
actually I made more jumps at Skydive Dallas than Skydive America @
Beaumont cuz
Beaumont had smaller aircraft and loads. So who cares what Beaumont
thinks?
Their probably embarresed to know you cuz yer a alumni of the last DZ
on that particular Airport HAW HAW HAW
>But, what you construe as "yowling and crying," about the whole
stupid episode is
> simply, just an acknowledgement of the bright, red exclamation point
> to your short turn in skydiving and what light it throws whenever you
> try to present yourself as some sort of authority on all thing
> skydiving.
Stirring up DZ lizzards with skygod attitudes was a big part of the
sport to me when I was still active----you erxpected me to fully
retire? heh
>
> >I think it was the normal thing
> >yawl are
> >best at though (((PROJECTING FEAR))) Yer a sissy kid, always have been,
> >always
> >will be.
>
> No, being unprepared is not normal. Well, to be fair, I guess SNAFU
> applies well to you. Nor is not thinking things through. Neither is
> rampant pretense. But, it's not so much about the subjective
> considerations of what is "normal" and what is not, but back to the
> root of it all - some people just have problems learning to stand up
> landings. No big deal, some people are just quicker at it than
> others. But you, instead of admitting this bit of truth, and thus the
> galling prospect of admitting that there might be some who might have
> been more adept in some aspect of skydiving than you, no - it was due
> to "ragged out no porosity canopies," or how "old" you were when you
> started jumping, or even - that desire for that feeling of having
Snip for brevity----hey all I can say is mylandings made a 100%
improvement
when I bought that new Falcon....might have been a coincidence...I
doubt it though
>The stuff of jackasses
> ...bsrp
> ...jlk
Aw hell yeah being a true zoo jumper, if a JACKASS JUMP was up next I
made that load for sure....rw rw rw and chasing the points got boring
after a few years <eg>
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
Which, by the suggestion that fear was "trained out of" you, does not
make your last attempt at skydiving brave so when you say others would
be "too scared" to make that jump, how can you really tell since,
aside from not being them, you have asserted that you don't know fear
so you really have no point of reference with which to base this
earlier assertion upon. But then, it still doesn't make it smart or
head's up either.
>Perhaps thats why few of the Navy one's lived
>You as a hanger on in the sport soly there to skim it are in fact dirt
Right, and as you suggested in your previous dumbass excuse for
biffing in so consistently, constantly, and consecutively (not the
"no-porosity" student canopies, the other one), this dirt is just
illustrating that you've "truly landed." The parallels are numerous -
only you would bitch at dirt after you flew yourself, or allowed
yourself to be flown, into it.
>under the feet of true homosexuals & straight sissys under 65 or 70 who
>like to get their knee's in the breeze.
Gee, I bothering someone, yet? Take it to the RV newsgroup, Mary
Worth. You're just whining here.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
And vertical speed and arresting it when desired on a straight in
approach? Not that the systems available in pre-ramair days has any
bearing here. Systems existed, as they do today, for allowing nominal
horizontal and vertical control for people with limited motor ability,
as well as simulations on the ground, such as hanging a harness, for
determining if what one intended to do under canopy, such as unstowing
toggles and using them so to nominally have horizontal and vertical
control, was within the realm of possibility.
>
>
>> >biffed in and wrote off the
>> >broken tib & fib but yawl yowled and cryed like baby's....
>> >like you were responsible or sumthing---
>>
>>
>> Do yourself a favor and write off the skydiving newsgroup. Writing
>> off tib fibs and the sometimes boneheaded, if not avoidable, sequence
>> of events which lead to them might play better over on that RV
>> newsgroup.
>
>I no longer live in an RV, Own a 4 bedroom on a third of an acre out by
>the lake now...I'm living the American dream girlyboy
So, take it over the lakehouse, American dream newsgroup then or dream
yourself to a dropzone and get a clue. Never considered that the
American dream included expressed ignorance.
>
> I know people at Beaumont who were there - they shake their
>> heads. Kinda embarrassed about the whole thing.
>
>
>I had what 20 or 30 jumps at beaumont?.....
One, pretty memorable in an embarrassing sort of way. The others just
slightly memorable, in a flailing, this skydive's sure gone to hell,
kinda way.
>.wuzzn't my home dz kid...I
>was from
>SPX Leauge City thense Lake Anuach----When they closed down Waller
>became
>my home DZ...I had a fun jump route, also jumping at SDD, SDSM & SDA-B.
>So
>actually I made more jumps at Skydive Dallas than Skydive America @
>Beaumont cuz
>Beaumont had smaller aircraft and loads.
Which doesn't change in the slightest that those who were present in
Beaumont when you faceplanted yourself into a hospital bed just kinda
shook their heads and felt a bit of embarrassment. But then, the idea
that you jumped elsewhere because of aircraft and load size - kinda
skygoddy - certainly counter to your past lamenting and rhetorical
bullshit concerning large dz's killing the little mom and pops.
>So who cares what Beaumont
>thinks?
You, evidently. Hell, you were the one who whined that everyone was
"crying and yowling" about how your last jump played out. If anyone
cried and yelled it might have been the people who were there pulling
your face out of the tarmac. Kinda embarassing in retrospect - having
a nice day for jumping forever cast in such a light.
>Their probably embarresed to know you cuz yer a alumni of the last DZ
>on that particular Airport HAW HAW HAW
Heh, SDA was not the last dz on that airport. Do your homework
better, Jinnie. As for being an alum and people purportedly
embarrassed to know me for whatever reason, nevermind the retarded
notion that this embarrassment suggested here is rooted in where I
might have jumped once upon a time, I still jump with people who
jumped there and now that the place is gone, the only emotional
undercurrent working regarding the place and the people I jumped with
who jumped there is one of profound nostalgia. But then, mention your
date with tarmac destiny? Embarassment.
>
> >But, what you construe as "yowling and crying," about the whole
>stupid episode is
>> simply, just an acknowledgement of the bright, red exclamation point
>> to your short turn in skydiving and what light it throws whenever you
>> try to present yourself as some sort of authority on all thing
>> skydiving.
>
>Stirring up DZ lizzards with skygod attitudes was a big part of the
>sport to me when I was still active----you erxpected me to fully
>retire? heh
I have no expectation other than that you will likely step in it,
repeatedly, predictably, and often. Got news for ya, though - talking
about shit you don't have a clue about in a public forum and the
resulting ridicule inbound, is hardly what I would refer to as
"stirring up." Actually, what's only happening here is merely further
iterrations to a greater extent of the working concept of the mutually
assured killfile and to a lesser extent, performance art at its most
absurd. It is interesting, though - what with the "skygod" boogieman
you love to invoke, your own "skygod," at least by your own
descriptions and references, "attitude" is often on display here. Some
might call it ironic but, it's just another parallel of you being
unable or unwilling to think things through.
>>
>> >I think it was the normal thing
>> >yawl are
>> >best at though (((PROJECTING FEAR))) Yer a sissy kid, always have been,
>> >always
>> >will be.
>>
>> No, being unprepared is not normal. Well, to be fair, I guess SNAFU
>> applies well to you. Nor is not thinking things through. Neither is
>> rampant pretense. But, it's not so much about the subjective
>> considerations of what is "normal" and what is not, but back to the
>> root of it all - some people just have problems learning to stand up
>> landings. No big deal, some people are just quicker at it than
>> others. But you, instead of admitting this bit of truth, and thus the
>> galling prospect of admitting that there might be some who might have
>> been more adept in some aspect of skydiving than you, no - it was due
>> to "ragged out no porosity canopies," or how "old" you were when you
>> started jumping, or even - that desire for that feeling of having
>
>Snip for brevity----hey all I can say is mylandings made a 100%
>improvement
>when I bought that new Falcon....might have been a coincidence...I
>doubt it though
Sure, you just needed an AFF student canopy to help you out. Nothing
wrong with that. You still haven't squared away how a "ragged out
student canopy" could be referred to as "no porocity," as well as
explain how other people jumping the same canopies you were jumping
somehow failed to biff in 80 jumps in a row.
>
>>The stuff of jackasses
>> ...bsrp
>> ...jlk
>
>Aw hell yeah being a true zoo jumper, if a JACKASS JUMP was up next I
>made that load for sure....rw rw rw and chasing the points got boring
>after a few years
Sorry, Jinnie - there's worlds of difference between a "jackass jump"
and a zoo load. Try not to confuse the two.
...bsrp
...jlk
the unknown flailer
Jerry K. wrote:
> On 21 Jun 2006 09:32:19 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Jerry K. wrote:
> >> On 19 Jun 2006 08:25:41 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
> >> Do yourself a favor and write off the skydiving newsgroup. > >
> >> heads. Kinda embarrassed about the whole thing.
> ...jlk
How sad is that? Your'e going around asking about a old flailer that
hasn't been around
the GU/DZ's in at least a decade....Their probably shaking their head
cuz I own yer young
ass-----After you leave they probably say;
"Did you know Snuffy?"
"Nah but I know someone who's dad knew him."
"Say didn't he look like that Freddy Kruger guy from Nightmare on Elm
street?"
"Must have cuz he sure has Jerry afraid."
"Didn't he kill some novices?"
"Nah no A, B or C's-- he wacked some people right off student status is
what I heard."
"put them in the base and on float on those Zoo loads he used to
organize then swooped down got on their backs pulled the PC and wrapped
the bridal around their neck....reached under the mudflap and pulled
the pin!"
"Whoaaaaa that sounds like a bonfire story!"
"Look we need to have a meeting and tell people around the DZ not to
make eye contact
with Jerry when he walks by or he will start whailing about Snuffy."
This really hurts my old feelings Jerr. I've spent 8 or 9 years trying
to help you deal
with yer inmature emotions and you have turned me into a booger man.
Sayyyy
girly boy do you have nightmares about me also? Bwooooooooooohahahahaha
0~;->
Jerry K.
<kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>
>Jerry K. wrote:
>> On 21 Jun 2006 09:32:19 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
>> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Jerry K. wrote:
>> >> On 19 Jun 2006 08:25:41 -0700, "the unknown flailer"
>> >> <kam...@eastex.net> wrote:
>> >> Do yourself a favor and write off the skydiving newsgroup. > >
>> > I know people at Beaumont who were there - they shake their
>> >> heads. Kinda embarrassed about the whole thing.
>> ...bsrp
>> ...jlk
>
>How sad is that? Your'e going around asking about a old flailer that
>hasn't been around
>the GU/DZ's in at least a decade....
Naw, that ain't it, Jinnie - though it was an easy guess that you'd
hit upon that idea sooner or later. Actually, it's more along the
lines of someone telling a story about what they saw for comedy around
the bonfire but sometimes I do get some feedback based upon your
flailing for consequence in here - normally it's preceeded with a,
"Damn - you've really shut that doofus down!"
>Their probably shaking their head
>cuz I own yer young
>ass-
Probably? Guess you'll never know unless you get out to a dz to learn
the real score. Until then, it's just comforting fantasies of
"probablies," eh?
>----After you leave they probably say;
>
>"Did you know Snuffy?"
>"Nah but I know someone who's dad knew him."
Probably? Make some more guesses. Maybe they raise their beers
intoning, "There but for the grace of thinking things through, go I?"
>
>"Say didn't he look like that Freddy Kruger guy from Nightmare on Elm
>street?"
"You see the tarmac after he hit it with his face?"
>
>"Must have cuz he sure has Jerry afraid."
"Wasn't pretty, what comes of letting the canopy fly you instead of
the other way around."
>
>"Didn't he kill some novices?"
"He was coming across it, you'd think he woulda been heads up enough
to avoid it - turn a little, take it into the grass. Something"
>
>"Nah no A, B or C's-- he wacked some people right off student status is
>what I heard."
"That's the thing. He was letting the canopy fly him. Just over
whelmed with discovering the plan had gone to shit and instead of
taking some action about it, he just kinda froze up and let things
happen to him."
>
>"put them in the base and on float on those Zoo loads he used to
>organize then swooped down got on their backs pulled the PC and wrapped
>the bridal around their neck....reached under the mudflap and pulled
>the pin!"
He didn't walk away from that one but the bitch of it was, if he had
simply just practiced unstowing on the ground in the harness or maybe
gotten one of those one-handed toggle systems, or even been a little
heads up and kept after his altitude so when that runway was coming up
at him, he coulda steered a little to avoid it - of course, he hosed
his own spot, didn't bother to look before he leaped, that didn't
help, either.
>
>"Whoaaaaa that sounds like a bonfire story!"
"Old enough to know better but he was in the shitter when God was
handing out the smarts."
>
>"Look we need to have a meeting and tell people around the DZ not to
>make eye contact
>with Jerry when he walks by or he will start whailing about Snuffy."
"He was kind of a skygod-type, too. You know - one of those turds who
likes to announce how he hates politics but then out of the other side
of his mouth tries to organize a meeting about something. Going on
about his canopy and that custom colored, blue and gold body-sport.
Oh, and he painted a protec gold to match his suit. Real nancy boy.
Course, he couldn't fly worth a shit so all his strutting and
peacocking on the ground pretty much went out the window the moment he
tried to jump with anyone. The best were the excuses. Dumbass would
blame everything under the sun - except himself. If you seen him on
the newsgroup he sure is bitter about screwing the pooch and not
jumping anymore. Hell, seems to prefer that to moving on."
>
>This really hurts my old feelings Jerr. I've spent 8 or 9 years
No, it just seems that long - actually, I've not been giving you an
inch for a lot less time than that. Do your homework, Jinne.
>trying
>to help you deal
>with yer inmature emotions and you have turned me into a booger man.
No, nothing more than grandstanding on your part. Feeble attempts to
remain relevant in some remotely connected facet of skydiving. If
immature emotions are the root of you not having an inch anymore with
which to do your lame act of yours here, well, put the cuffs on me.
Think I could shut you down at a dz? Probably not. As for "booger
man," and this, the latest bit of self-aggrandizing on your part - no,
you're just a dingleberry behind a keyboard. Take the keyboard to a
dz. See how well it plays.
>Sayyyy
>girly boy do you have nightmares about me also?
Heh -you wish, sweetie. Actually, does taking the time to get my shit
together before I skydive - essentially, thinking things through with
sometimes a little, "Don't pull a Jinnie," for punctuation count?
...bsrp
...jlk