Who Is "Fascist"?
0baMa0 Tse Dung
Goldberg's new book, "Liberal Fascism." As a result, they may refuse
to read it, which will be their loss -- and a major loss.
Those who value substance over words, however, will find in this book
a wealth of challenging insights, backed up by thorough research and
brilliant analysis.
This is the sort of book that challenges the fundamental assumptions
of its time -- and which, for that reason, is likely to be shunned
rather than criticized.
Because the word "fascist" is often thrown around loosely these days,
as a general term of abuse, it is good that "Liberal Fascism" begins
by discussing the real Fascism, introduced into Italy after the First
World War by Benito Mussolini.
The Fascists were completely against individualism in general and
especially against individualism in a free market economy. Their
agenda included minimum wage laws, government restrictions on profit-
making, progressive taxation of capital, and "rigidly secular"
schools.
Unlike the Communists, the Fascists did not seek government ownership
of the means of production. They just wanted the government to call
the shots as to how businesses would be run.
They were for "industrial policy," long before liberals coined that
phrase in the United States.
Indeed, the whole Fascist economic agenda bears a remarkable
resemblance to what liberals would later advocate.
Moreover, during the 1920s "progressives" in the United States and
Britain recognized the kinship of their ideas with those of Mussolini,
who was widely lionized by the left.
Famed British novelist and prominent Fabian socialist H.G. Wells
called for "Liberal Fascism," saying "the world is sick of
parliamentary politics."
Another literary giant and Fabian socialist, George Bernard Shaw, also
expressed his admiration for Mussolini -- as well as for Hitler and
Stalin, because they "did things," instead of just talk. In Germany,
the Nazis followed in the wake of the Italian Fascists, adding racism
in general and anti-semitism in particular, neither of which was part
of Fascism in Italy or in Franco's Spain.
Even the Nazi variant of Fascism found favor on the left when it was
only a movement seeking power in the 1920s.
W.E.B. DuBois was so taken with the Nazi movement that he put
swastikas on the cover of a magazine he edited, despite complaints
from Jewish readers.
Even after Hitler achieved dictatorial power in Germany in 1933,
DuBois declared that the Nazi dictatorship was "absolutely necessary
in order to get the state in order."
As late as 1937 he said in a speech in Harlem that "there is today, in
some respects, more democracy in Germany than there has been in years
past."
In short, during the 1920s and the early 1930s, Fascism was not only
looked on favorably by the left but recognized as having kindred
ideas, agendas and assumptions.
Only after Hitler and Mussolini disgraced themselves, mainly by their
brutal military aggressions in the 1930s, did the left distance
themselves from these international pariahs.
Fascism, initially recognized as a kindred ideology of the left, has
since come down to us defined as being on "the right" -- indeed, as
representing the farthest right, supposedly further extensions of
conservatism.
If by conservatism you mean belief in free markets, limited
government, and traditional morality, including religious influences,
then these are all things that the Fascists opposed just as much as
the left does today.
The left may say that they are not racists or anti-semites, like
Hitler, but neither was Mussolini or Franco. Hitler, incidentally, got
some of his racist ideology from the writings of American
"progressives" in the eugenics movement.
Jonah Goldberg's "Liberal Fascism"
http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascism-American-Mussolini-Politics/dp/0767917189/
is too rich a book to be summarized in a newspaper column. Get a copy
and start re-thinking the received notions about who is on "the left"
and who is on "the right." It is a book for people who want to think,
rather than repeat rhetoric.
http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2008/02/14/who_is_fascist
http://www.tsowell.com/
hal
<0bama0....@gmail.com> wrote:
>Those who put a high value on words may recoil at the title of Jonah
>Goldberg's new book, "Liberal Fascism." As a result, they may refuse
>to read it, which will be their loss -- and a major loss.
this is nothing more than right wing propagandists trying to redefine
terms. Like they made liberal a bad word. Marx was right. It all
comes down to class warfare. Either we let the ultra wealthy
conservatives hide behind their corporations and run the government
for their own personal benefit, or we let the people run the
government for the benefit of all. Fascism is the ultra wealthy
controlling the government. Liberalism has attempted to take that
control back and put it in the hands of The People. Such was the
purpose of The US Constitution. A very liberal document by the way.
Barry
> this is nothing more than right wing propagandists trying to redefine
> terms. Like they made liberal a bad word. Marx was right. It all
> comes down to class warfare. Either we let the ultra wealthy
> conservatives hide behind their corporations and run the government
> for their own personal benefit, or we let the people run the
> government for the benefit of all. Fascism is the ultra wealthy
> controlling the government. Liberalism has attempted to take that
> control back and put it in the hands of The People. Such was the
> purpose of The US Constitution. A very liberal document by the way.
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~ RHF
> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:40:15 -0700 (PDT), 0baMa0 Tse Dung
>
Try to use 1930s Definitions to Deny that
"Liberal-Fascism" Does Exist in the 21st
Century is an Tired Old Argument.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7fd91b4a2e4429c9
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/44230a0062947061
.
"Liberal-Fascism" with over 6-Million 'Hits' :
Liberal-Fascism is a Virtual Reality in the 21st Century
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/6a0dba38cddc6d10
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/3022071beb242aa3
.
Neo-LiIberal-Fascism - Employing Fascist Techniques
and Means to Achieve Fascist Totalitarian Goals and
Political Dominance
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/9892c941fefbbef0
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/10905e6ff0ab2fad
.
Who Is A "Fascist"? & Who Is A "Liberal"
Are Some {Not All} One And The Same
-aka- "Liberal-Fascist" Can They Exist & Do They Exist ?
.
Seon Ferguson
protesting. He sounds like a hypocrite to me.
"0baMa0 Tse Dung" <0bama0....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:35ad4a79-c49f-4761...@w40g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
Doug Bashford
in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, On Wed, 17 Jun 2009, 0baMa0 Tse Dung
said about:
Who Is "Fascist"?
> In short, during the 1920s and the early 1930s, Fascism was not only
> looked on favorably by the left but recognized as having kindred
> ideas, agendas and assumptions.
Is that so!?
But American industrialists like Henry Ford and
Prescott Bush (Dubya' grandpappy) stuck with the Nazis
much longer. In fact, Dubya' grandpappy almost
went to prison for events that culminated in
action under the Trading with the Enemy Act.
In fact, Bush's business dealings, which continued
until his company's assets were seized in 1942
under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led
more than 60 years later to a civil action for
damages being brought in Germany against the
Bush family by two former slave labourers at
Auschwitz.
American industrialists; The DuPont Family,
the Remmington Family, and JP Morgan tried to
assasinate FDR and put a Hitler style fascist
state in place. They hired General Smedley Butler
to lead the overthrow, but he turned them in.
These industrialists aided the Nazis in various
ways until 1951, with Nazi multimillionaire Fritz
Thyssen as their partner and cohort. Bush
recieved $1.5 million from the proceeds of
Thyssen's death in that year, which was the
start of the Bush family fortune.
www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s1odqQTKyU&NR=1
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D6fxyOtVeI
> Only after Hitler and Mussolini disgraced themselves, mainly by their
> brutal military aggressions in the 1930s, did the left distance
> themselves from these international pariahs.
Nope.
"The Night of the Long Knives (German:
De-Nacht_der_langen_Messer.ogg Nacht der langen Messer
(help�info)) or "Operation Hummingbird", was a purge that took
place in Nazi Germany between June 30 and July 2, 1934, when the
Nazi regime carried out a series of political executions."
That was when Hitler killed off (among others) all
vestiges and connections he had with the socialists
and the leftists in his party, and to conciliate leaders
of the Reichswehr, the official German military. From then
on, the Nazis were a pure Republican...I mean
Right Wing Party.
"During the 1920s and 1930s, the SA functioned as a private
militia that Hitler used to intimidate rivals and disrupt the
meetings of competing political parties, especially those of the
Social Democrats and the Communists. Also known as the
"brownshirts" or "stormtroopers", the SA became notorious for
their street battles with the Communists.[8] "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives
"The month of September 1930 marked a turning point in the road
that was leading the Germans inexorably toward the Third Reich.
The nazi party promised to lead the German people away from
communism, socialism, trade-unionism, and the futility's of
democracy."
-- The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich p.199
> Fascism, initially recognized as a kindred ideology of the left,
From "World Book Encyclopedia", 1958, p. 5467:
The name National Socialist German Workers Party does not
correctly describe the Nazi movement. It was neither
socialist nor organized for the benefit of workers. The
name was apparently developed in an effort to win the
support of the working classes....
Nazism was only a part of of the broad social movement
known as Fascism which gained millions of supporters in
many countries during the 1930's....
The industrialists gave financial support to the party
because they thought the Nazis would protect them from
from socialism and communism, and from the increasing
strength of the labor unions.
End Quotes.
> has
> since come down to us defined as being on "the right" -- indeed, as
> representing the farthest right, supposedly further extensions of
> conservatism.
"We stand for the maintenance of private
property... We shall protect free enterprise as the
most expedient, or rather the sole possible
economic order."
Adolph Hitler
"The democracy of the western countries is the predecessor of
Marxism, which would be unthinkable without democracy." ---
Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf"
"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans
-- unless they have too much education and vote Democratic,
which proves there can be too much of a good thing."
--Karl Rove, February 19, 2001
"A violently active, dominating, intrepid, brutal youth -- that
is what I am after.... I want to see in its eyes the gleam of
pride and independence, of prey. I will have no intellectual
training. Knowledge is ruin to my young men." --- Adolf Hitler
"-- unless they have too much education...
which proves there can be too much of a good thing."
--Karl Rove, February 19, 2001
You Republickins are too eger to swallow.
Doug Bashford
hal said about:
Re: Who Is "Fascist"?
> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:40:15 -0700 (PDT), 0baMa0 Tse Dung
> <0bama0....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Those who put a high value on words may recoil at the title of Jonah
> >Goldberg's new book, "Liberal Fascism." As a result, they may refuse
> >to read it, which will be their loss -- and a major loss.
> this is nothing more than right wing propagandists trying to redefine
> terms.
And millions of American eager to swallow.
> Like they made liberal a bad word. Marx was right. It all
> comes down to class warfare. Either we let the ultra wealthy
> conservatives hide behind their corporations and run the government
> for their own personal benefit, or we let the people run the
> government for the benefit of all. Fascism is the ultra wealthy
> controlling the government. Liberalism has attempted to take that
> control back and put it in the hands of The People. Such was the
> purpose of The US Constitution. A very liberal document by the way.
Yup.
Synopsis from World Book 1958:
Fascism's parts:
1) extreme nationalism, 2) police state, 3) cultivation
of ignorance, 4) suppression of labor, 5) militarism.
cultivation of ignorance?
Karl Rove answers:
"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans
-- unless they have too much education and vote Democratic,
which proves there can be too much of a good thing."
--Karl Rove, February 19, 2001
"We stand for the maintenance of private
property... We shall protect free enterprise as the
most expedient, or rather the sole possible
economic order."
Adolph Hitler
" Fascism should more appropriately be called
Corporatism because it is a merger of State and
corporate power."
Benito Mussolini (1883-1945), Fascist Dictator of
Italy
" The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the
people tolerate the growth of private power to the
point where it becomes stronger than the
democratic state itself. That in its essence is
fascism - ownership of government by an
individual, by a group or any controlling private
power. "
President Franklin Delano Roosevelt - on the
threat to democracy by corporate power
The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
The rational change their world view to fit the facts.
Will
> Goldberg is probably the type who would call people anti American for
> protesting. He sounds like a hypocrite to me.
>
But you're not sure.
~ RHF
The Liberty of a Government is not safe if the
Leaders and the Party Tolerate the Growth of
Democratic {People} Power to the point where
it becomes Stronger than the Government itself.
* The Cult of Obamaism© from the 'Little Green Book'
"Saying of Czar Obama" -wrt- The Culture Revolution
of Change : Transforming America into a Liberal-Fascist
One Party Socialist Corporate State
That in its essence is Obamaism© aka Liberal-Fascism
Ownership of Government by an Individual {President}, by
a Group {Political Party} or any Controlling Private Power
{Federal Reserve}. President Barack 'Hussein' Obama
on the threat to Presidential Czar Power by Democracy.
* The Cult of Obamaism© from the 'Little Green Book'
"Sayings of Czar Obama" -wrt- The Culture Revolution
of Change : Transforming America into a Liberal-Fascist
One Party Socialist Corporate State
.
Who Is A "Fascist"? -and- Who Is A "Liberal"
Are Some {Not All} One And The Same
-aka- "Liberal-Fascist"
Can "Liberal-Fascist" Exist ?
-and-
Do "Liberal-Fascist" Exist ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/6c9c9a87136d9a10
.
~ RHF
> Goldberg is probably the type who would call people anti American for
> protesting. He sounds like a hypocrite to me.
>
> > is too rich a book to be summarized in a newspaper column. Get a copy
> > and start re-thinking the received notions about who is on "the left"
> > and who is on "the right." It is a book for people who want to think,
> > rather than repeat rhetoric.
>
> >http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2008/02/14/who_is_fascist
> >http://www.tsowell.com/
>
> >http://liberalfascism.nationalreview.com
.
Who Is A "Fascist"? -and- Who Is A "Liberal"
Are Some {Not All} One And The Same
-aka- "Liberal-Fascist"
Can "Liberal-Fascist" Exist ?
-and-
Do "Liberal-Fascist" Exist ?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/6c9c9a87136d9a10
.
The Liberty of a Government is not safe if the
Leaders and the Party Tolerate the Growth of
Democratic {People} Power to the point where
it becomes Stronger than the Government itself.
* The Cult of Obamaism© from the 'Little Green Book'
"Saying of Czar Obama" -wrt- The Culture Revolution
of Change : Transforming America into a Liberal-Fascist
One Party Socialist Corporate State
That in its essence is Obamaism© -aka- Liberal-Fascism
Ownership of Government by an Individual {President}, by
a Group {One Political Party} or any Controlling Private
Power {Federal Reserve}.
-says- President Barack 'Hussein' Obama on the Threat
to Presidential {Czar} Power by Multi-Party Democracy
and Freely Voting People.
* The Cult of Obamaism© from the 'Little Green Book'
"Sayings of Czar Obama" -wrt- The Culture Revolution
of Change : Transforming America into a Liberal-Fascist
One Party Socialist Corporate State
.
* The Cult of Obamaism© The President Is Above The Law
.
* The Cult of Obamaism© The President Is The Law {Czar}
.
* The Cult of Obamaism© As The President Decrees :
The Law Is Written {Czar} -aka- All Power To The Czar.
.
* The Cult of Obamaism© The One Party Congress
Exists To Support The President {Czar}
.
* The Cult of Obamaism© The President Is Commander
and Chief : The Military Exists To Support The President
{Czar}
.
* The Cult of Obamaism© The President Is The Power
of Change "Change Is Necessary and Good" : The Youth
Loved The President {Czar} and Change : The Youth Are
The Instruments of Change {Change The Youth : Change
The Culture -aka- Transformational Obamaism©}
.
* The Cult of Obamaism© The President Is Loved By
The People : Good Citizens Love The President {Czar} :
Bad Citizens Will Be Reeducated and Reformed To
Love The President {Czar} -aka- All Love To The Czar.
.
you can make book on it ~ RHF
.
dave
Didn't the Nazis imprison Thyssen?
Kevin Cunningham
> On Jun 17, 6:51 pm, hal wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:40:15 -0700 (PDT), 0baMa0 Tse Dung
>
> > <0bama0.spea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >Those who put a high value on words may recoil at the title of Jonah
> > >Goldberg's new book, "Liberal Fascism." As a result, they may refuse
> > >to read it, which will be their loss -- and a major loss.
>
> > this is nothing more than right wing propagandists trying to redefine
> > terms. Like they made liberal a bad word. Marx was right. It all
> > comes down to class warfare. Either we let the ultra wealthy
> > conservatives hide behind their corporations and run the government
> > for their own personal benefit, or we let the people run the
> > government for the benefit of all. Fascism is the ultra wealthy
> > controlling the government. Liberalism has attempted to take that
> > control back and put it in the hands of The People. Such was the
> > purpose of The US Constitution. A very liberal document by the way.
>
> .
> Try to use 1930s Definitions to Deny that
> "Liberal-Fascism" Does Exist in the 21st
> .
> "Liberal-Fascism" with over 6-Million 'Hits' :
> .
> Neo-LiIberal-Fascism - Employing Fascist Techniques
> and Means to Achieve Fascist Totalitarian Goals and
> .
> Who Is A "Fascist"? & Who Is A "Liberal"
> Are Some {Not All} One And The Same
> -aka- "Liberal-Fascist" Can They Exist & Do They Exist ?
> .
There is no such thing as "liberal fascism". This is just another
attempt by the right wing to get out of their own problem. They
started fascism, they kept it going. The right wing was sympathetic
to fascist and Nazis before WWII. The right wing supported anti-
semites. And the right wing hasn't changed all that much.
Yeah, they have re-hung curtains, re-done the closets but the core of
freedom hating, fear causing is what ran the repug party in the past
and runs it today.
Doug Bashford
dave said about:
Re: Who Is "Fascist"?
Yes, thanks for pointing that out.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Friedrich "Fritz" Thyssen (November 9, 1873, M�lheim an der Ruhr
� February 8, 1951, Buenos Aires) was a German businessman born
into one of Germany's leading industrial families.
...In September 1, 1939 World War II broke out. Thyssen sent
Hermann G�ring a telegram saying he was opposed to the war,
shortly before leaving for Switzerland with his family. He was
expelled from the Nazi Party and the Reichstag, and his company
was briefly nationalised. It was returned to other members of the
Thyssen family some years after the war. In 1940 Thyssen took
refuge and moved to France, intending to emigrate to Argentina,
but was caught by the German occupation of France while he was
visiting his ill mother in Belgium. He was arrested by Vichy
France and taken back to Germany, where he was confined, first in
a sanatorium near Berlin, then from 1943 in Sachsenhausen
concentration camp. His wife Amelie instead of escaping to
Argentina joined her husband and spent the whole war in the
concentration camp with her husband. "She had spent the good
times with her husband and would also join him in the difficult
times.[citation needed]" In February, 1945 he was sent to Dachau
concentration camp. He was comparatively well-treated and
transferred to Tyrol in late April 1945 together with other
prominent inmates, where the SS left the prisoners behind. He was
liberated by the Fifth U.S. Army on May 5, 1945[5].
....Thyssen was nevertheless tried for being a supporter of the
Nazi Party. He did not deny that he had been a Nazi supporter
until 1938, and he accepted responsibility for his companies'
mistreatment of Jewish employees in the 1930s, although he denied
involvement in the employment of slave labour during the war.
Thyssen agreed to pay 500,000 Deutschmarks as compensation to
those who suffered as a result of his actions, and was acquitted
of other charges.
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Seon Ferguson
"~ RHF" <rhf-new...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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You could also make a book on all the times a Bush worshiper called me an
American hater or communist for being against his policies. They are
politicians. They ARE NOT God's.
Get a life.
Seon Ferguson
"Will" <wha...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I don't have all the facts yet.
cuh...@webtv.net
cuhulin
dave
I am a libertarian anarchist; what's your pet name for us?
cuh...@webtv.net
I didn't invent the names democrap and libturd(s), somebody else did.
Illinois '' Land of Lincoln'' Grand Jury hands down Indictment against
Obama.
www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=267290
cuhulin
~ RHF
> "~ RHF" <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
SE,
Didn't know that 'you' were worthy of a book.
I guess that 'you' must be a Legend in 'your'
own mind.
Clearly Prez Obama is worthy of his own
'Little Green Book' containing the sayings
Czar Obama.
The Cult of Obamaism© from the 'Little Green Book'
"Sayings of Czar Obama"
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/5e25f862c62682f6
Hello Wake-Up Call Obama is now the President
and GWB is just so much history.
It's now 2009 and It's Blame Obama Time
-cause- Czar {Prez} Obama is the President.
insane political pay back is a b-i-t-c-h ~ RHF
.
~ RHF
'libertarian anarchist' ~ LiberHists
.
BDK
cuh...@webtv.net says...
A group of right wing kooktards aren't a "Grand Jury", even if they call
themselves one, and maybe even actually think they are one.
When will it dawn on you that libertypost is a kooksite?
--
BDK..
Leader of the nonexistent paid shills.
Non Jew Jew Club founding member.
Former number one Kook Magnet, title passed to Iarnrod.
~ RHF
> In article <12654-4A3C315E-6...@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>,
> cuhu...@webtv.net says...
Always pays to look at the LibertyPost.Org's
<www.libertypost.org> referencing Link/URL :
-source- AmericanGrandJury.Org
http://americangrandjury.org/illinois-land-of-lincoln-grand-jury-hands-down-indictment-against-obama
Reads more like a Citizen's 'Moot' Grand Jury
{Self-Appointed} with “presentments” ?wtf?
Kind of like the Citizens Militia Movement morphs
into a Citizens the Extra-Legal System.
.
BDK
eb86bd...@c19g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, rhf-new...@pacbell.net
says...
>
> Kind of like the Citizens Militia Movement morphs
> into a Citizens the Extra-Legal System.
> .
>
With no power, except to rile up kooktards who share their views.
No ObaMao
>
> I am a libertarian anarchist; what's your pet name for us?
There is no such thing as a Libertarian Anarchist.
cuh...@webtv.net
other sites.That doesn't mean I am a kook.I reckon you think
www.newswithviews.com is a kook site too?
I don't read those commie leftist sites.
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=267329
I don't go to YouTube, never have, never will.
cuhulin
~ RHF
> YouTube SUCKS!www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=267329
>
> I don't go to YouTube, never have, never will.
> cuhulin
"iPorn Bikini Girls" Advertising Free X-rated Films
for your iPhone.
http://townhall.com/columnists/BrentBozell/2009/06/19/eye-opening_youtube
.
cuh...@webtv.net
www.worldnetdaily.com
dems and libs call World Net Daily a kook site.But, who are the Real
kooks? I Know who ''they'' are.
I am fixin to get a free self propelled walk behind lawn mower this
afternoon.What it is, a week ago when my old buddy was over here to give
me my free haircut (he wont let me cut his hair though,, Hey Ronnie, you
want me to cut your hair? ///Hell No!///) in my back yard, he said, I
have an almost brand new lawn mower that has only been used once.I will
sell for $50.00.Yesterday evening I plugged in my phone, I phoned him
about that lawn mower.
He said, I will make you a better deal than that.You can have the lawn
mower for free.He bought that lawn mower about five years ago at one of
the Cowboy Maloney's stores around here.
I can't beat that price.
cuhulin
dave
I thought you were a Mises Institute fan boy...
"Libertarian Anarchism: Responses to Ten Objections
by Roderick T. Long
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Thanks to Revi N. Nair for transcribing this talk from the 2004 Mises
University.
I want to talk about some of the main objections that have been given to
libertarian anarchism and my attempts to answer them. But before I start
giving objections and trying to answer them, there is no point in trying
to answer objections to a view unless you have given some positive
reason to hold the view in the first place. So, I just want to say
briefly what I think the positive case is for it before going on to
defend it against objections.
THE CASE FOR LIBERTARIAN ANARCHISM
Problems with Forced Monopoly
Think about it this way. What�s wrong with a shoe monopoly? Suppose that
I and my gang are the only ones that are legally allowed to manufacture
and sell shoes � my gang and anyone else that I authorize, but nobody
else. What�s wrong with it? Well, first of all, from a moral point of
view, the question is: why us? What�s so special about us? Now in this
case, because I�ve chosen me, it is more plausible that I ought to have
that kind of monopoly, so maybe I should pick a different example! But
still, you might wonder, where do I and my gang get off claiming this
right to make and sell something that no one else has the right to make
and sell, to provide a good or service no one else has the right to
provide. At least as far as you know, I�m just another mortal, another
human like unto yourselves (more or less). So, from a moral standpoint I
have no more right to do it than anyone else.
Then, of course, from a pragmatic, consequentialist standpoint � well,
first of all, what is the likely result of my and my gang having a
monopoly on shoes? Well, first of all, there are incentive problems. If
I�m the only person who has the right to make and sell shoes, you�re
probably not going to get the shoes from me very cheaply. I can charge
as much as I want, as long as I don�t charge so much that you just can�t
afford them at all or you decide you�re happier just not having the
shoes. But as long as you�re willing and able, I�ll charge the highest
price that I can get out of you � because you�ve got no competition,
nowhere else to go. You also probably shouldn�t expect the shoes to be
of particularly high quality, because, after all, as long as they�re
barely serviceable, and you still prefer them to going barefoot � then
you have to buy them from me.
In addition to the likelihood that the shoes are going to be expensive
and not very good, there�s also the fact that my ability to be the only
person who makes and sells shoes gives me a certain leverage over you.
Suppose that I don�t like you. Suppose you�ve offended me in some way.
Well, maybe you just don�t get shoes for a while. So, there�s also
abuse-of-power issues.
But, it�s just not the incentive problem, because, after all, suppose
that I�m a perfect saint and I will make the best shoes I possibly can
for you, and I�ll charge the lowest price I possibly can charge, and I
won�t abuse my power at all. Suppose I�m utterly trustworthy. I�m a
prince among men (not in Machiavelli�s sense). There is still a problem,
which is: how do I know exactly that I�m doing the best job I can with
these shoes? After all, there�s no competition. I guess I could poll
people to try to find out what kind of shoes they seem to want. But
there are lots of different ways I could make shoes. Some of them are
more expensive ways of making them, and some are less expensive. How do
I know, given that there�s no market, and there�s really not much I can
do in the way of profit and loss accounting? I just have to make
guesses. So even if I�m doing my best, the quantity I make, the quality
I make may not be best suited to satisfy people�s preferences, and I
have a hard time finding these things out.
Government Is a Forced Monopoly
So those are all reasons not to have a monopoly on the making and
selling of shoes. Now, prima facie at least, it seems as though those
are all good reasons for anyone not to have a monopoly in the provision
of services of adjudicating disputes, and protecting rights, and all the
things that are involved in what you might broadly call the enterprise
of law. First of all there�s the moral question: why does one gang of
people get the right to be the only ones in a given territory who can
offer certain kinds of legal services or enforce certain kinds of
things? And then there are these economic questions: what are the
incentives going to be? Once again, it�s a monopoly. It seems likely
that with a captive customer base they�re going to charge higher prices
than they otherwise would and offer lower quality. There might even be
the occasional abuse of power. And then, even if you manage to avoid all
those problems, and you get all the saintly types into the government,
there�s still the problem of how do they know that the particular way
that they�re providing legal services, the particular mix of legal
services they�re offering, the particular ways they do it are really the
best ones? They just try to figure out what will work. Since there�s no
competition, they don�t have much way of knowing whether what they�re
doing is the most successful thing they could be doing.
So, the purpose of those considerations is to put the burden of proof on
the opponent. So this is the point, then, when the opponent of
competition in legal services has to raise some objections. (more)''
Telamon
BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
< SNIP>
> With no power, except to rile up kooktards who share their views.
Going to make another 1,800 or so lame posts again this month?
Take you stupid crap back to alt.usenet.kooks where you belong kook'tard.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
dave
BDK
@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
> In article <MPG.24a660f5d...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
> BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
>
> < SNIP>
>
> > With no power, except to rile up kooktards who share their views.
>
> Going to make another 1,800 or so lame posts again this month?
How many posts I make is your business?
>
> Take you stupid crap back to alt.usenet.kooks where you belong kook'tard.
What did I say in the post above that's "stupid"? It's not a real grand
jury, it has no power to do anything but get people who agree with them
worked up about their "indictments".
But what would you know about reality anyway, after all, you believe
Obama was born in Kenya.
Do you have the vanity plate "KUKTRD" on your car? You should.
~ RHF
> In article <telamon_spamshield-081D64.09452220062009
> @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
>
> > In article <MPG.24a660f5de7388e298b...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
> > BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote:
>
> > < SNIP>
>
> > > With no power, except to rile up kooktards who share their views.
>
> > Going to make another 1,800 or so lame posts again this month?
>
> How many posts I make is your business?
>
>
>
> > Take you stupid crap back to alt.usenet.kooks where you belong kook'tard.
>
grand
- jury, it has no power to do anything but get people who agree with
them
- worked up about their "indictments".
Correction they issue "presentments" not 'indictments'
because they have No Authority and Power to Indict.
cuh...@webtv.net
Tecumseh 6.5 horse power overhead valves engine.Put it in self propelled
mode and it really gets moving, I have to really, really hang on to it
or it will get away from me! I reckon I will watch this here Six Pack,
Kenny Rogers movie on the FMC channel and then I will mow the rest of my
front yard.It is too hot and humid outside anyway.I bought four paper
bags full of real Good genuine home grown Tomatos at Wright's Fruit
Stand on Highway 49 South, four big Tomatos in each bag, a little over
$17.00 for those real Good genuine Tomatos, they are well worth the
money too.
cuhulin
Telamon
cuh...@webtv.net wrote:
Great, now you can sell the van and mow the grass on the shoulders of
any road you travel.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
BDK
@p21g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, rhf-new...@pacbell.net says...
> On Jun 20, 11:17 am, BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote:
> > In article <telamon_spamshield-081D64.09452220062009
> > @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> > telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
> >
> > > In article <MPG.24a660f5de7388e298b...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
> > > BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote:
> >
> > > < SNIP>
> >
> > > > With no power, except to rile up kooktards who share their views.
> >
> > > Going to make another 1,800 or so lame posts again this month?
> >
> > How many posts I make is your business?
> >
> >
> >
> > > Take you stupid crap back to alt.usenet.kooks where you belong kook'tard.
> >
> - What did I say in the post above that's "stupid"? It's not a real
> grand
> - jury, it has no power to do anything but get people who agree with
> them
> - worked up about their "indictments".
>
> Correction they issue "presentments" not 'indictments'
> because they have No Authority and Power to Indict.
Even more lame then.
cuh...@webtv.net
too much a hassel for me.
I am Glad Mount Rushmore is in South Dakota.
www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=267357
cuhulin
Chas. Chan
> hal said about:
> Re: Who Is "Fascist"?
>
> > <0bama0.spea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >Those who put a high value on words may recoil at the title of Jonah
> > >Goldberg's new book, "Liberal Fascism." As a result, they may refuse
> > >to read it, which will be their loss -- and a major loss.
> > terms.
>
> And millions of American eager to swallow.
>
> > Like they made liberal a bad word. Marx was right. It all
> > comes down to class warfare. Either we let the ultra wealthy
> > conservatives hide behind their corporations and run the government
> > for their own personal benefit, or we let the people run the
> > government for the benefit of all. Fascism is the ultra wealthy
> > controlling the government. Liberalism has attempted to take that
> > control back and put it in the hands of The People. Such was the
> > purpose of The US Constitution. A very liberal document by the way.
>
> Yup.
>
> Synopsis from World Book 1958:
> Fascism's parts:
> 1) extreme nationalism, 2) police state, 3) cultivation
> of ignorance, 4) suppression of labor, 5) militarism.
>
> cultivation of ignorance?
>
> Karl Rove answers:
> "As people do better, they start voting like Republicans
> -- unless they have too much education and vote Democratic,
> which proves there can be too much of a good thing."
> --Karl Rove, February 19, 2001
>
> "We stand for the maintenance of private
> property... We shall protect free enterprise as the
> most expedient, or rather the sole possible
> economic order."
> Adolph Hitler
>
> " Fascism should more appropriately be called
> Corporatism because it is a merger of State and
> corporate power."
> Benito Mussolini (1883-1945), Fascist Dictator of
> Italy
>
> " The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the
> people tolerate the growth of Government power to the
> point where it becomes stronger than The
> People. That in its essence is
> Socialism - ownership of everything by Government. "
> President Franklin Delano Roosevelt - on the
> threat to democracy by corporate power
>
> The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
> The rational change their world view to fit the facts.
Fascist Benito Mussolini and socialist Roosevelt held each other in
high regard.
Roosevelt was a Big fan of Mussilini fascism because he recognized
that fascism was the only means to true Socialism.
I would by far rather have the Private Sector run government than have
The Governement run the private sector.
Read "The Road to Sefdom".
dave
>
> Fascist Benito Mussolini and socialist Roosevelt held each other in
> high regard.
> Roosevelt was a Big fan of Mussilini fascism because he recognized
> that fascism was the only means to true Socialism.
>
> I would by far rather have the Private Sector run government than have
> The Governement run the private sector.
>
War is pure fascist socialism. The nationalists subsidize the defense
industry with no-bid contracts, while fomenting conflict abroad. A
revolving door is installed between the military and the defense
industry and retired generals become lobbyists, consultants, and BOD
directors.
But this kind of corporate welfare and inbreeding permeates our entire
social structure. Laws are written to ensure a growing need for prison
beds, now a largely for-profit enterprise. This is why pot will never
be legal; potheads meake great prisoners. They are non-violent and
good workers.
Our society is totally fucked-up. I do hope it collapses completely, so
we can have a fresh start. Too bad we just can't identify more with the
Nazis; their lesson is a good one.
cuh...@webtv.net
PERCENT. - 2 %
www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=267397
Heh, That is GOOD, GOOD, GOOD! Making this here Ghostbusters movie I am
watching on the AMC channel even Better!
Good old Joyce Creel at the auto/truck/lawn mower battery factory that
used to be in Florence,Mississippi used to say to me every day, How are
you going to act?
cuhulin
Michael Coburn
You seem to have answered your own question: Mussolini was a fascist.
Your ridiculous unsupported claims that Roosevelt was a "socialist" and
that "he recognized that fascism was the only means to true Socialism"
are your own demented creations.
The reality is that socialism is a political manifestation in which the
government _OWNS_ the means of production. Fascism is ab-use of
government by the wealthy and powerful in league with the church to
maintain and enhance the power of the owner class. These two political
contrivances are entirely different.
--
"Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson
cuh...@webtv.net
Post in Milano,Eeeetaly.
www.devilfinder.com
Mussolini hanging from a lamp post in Italy
Heh, there is a parody song abouts that too.Heh Heh Heh.
Leetle Adolph Hitler wound up DEAD! down there in that there concrete
bunker in Berlin,Germany.He commenced to commit SUICIDE! that was the
Best thing he ever did while he was still alive.
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
cuhulin
Doug Bashford
in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, On Sun, 21 Jun, dave said about:
> Chas. Chan wrote:
>
> >
> > Fascist Benito Mussolini and socialist Roosevelt held each other in
> > high regard.
> > Roosevelt was a Big fan of Mussilini fascism because he recognized
> > that fascism was the only means to true Socialism.
> >
> > I would by far rather have the Private Sector run government than have
> > The Governement run the private sector.
> >
>
> War is pure fascist socialism.
To bad you are so brainwashed, cuz you have some
interesting ideas. But you'll never find truth.
It's pure fascisism, nothing socialistic
about it. But that concept is taboo in America.
Judging from your lingo, you've
been brainwashed by the RW libertarians,
probably the LP Libertarians.
What a waste.
Wanna test that concept?
Most people would not, they shift into self
defense mode at the very idea, and close down.
In our specific context; Here's how they do it:
They have re-defined "socialism" in your
mind. Try a dictionary.
Here's 20 of them: www.onelook.com/
Caution: they are similar enough to your implanted
version, you will need extreme critical thinking.
more general info on that:
Synopsis from World Book 1958:
Fascism's parts:
1) extreme nationalism, 2) police state, 3) cultivation
of ignorance, 4) suppression of labor, 5) militarism.
The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
The rational change their world view to fit the facts.
> The nationalists subsidize the defense
> industry with no-bid contracts, while fomenting conflict abroad.
Yes. But it's more than the nationalists.
It's any politician under the defense industry's thumb.
defense industry = defense industry's loby.
...Looks like this:
"...merger of State and corporate power."
" Fascism should more appropriately be called
Corporatism because it is a merger of State and
corporate power."
--Benito Mussolini
> A
> revolving door is installed between the military and the defense
> industry and retired generals become lobbyists, consultants, and BOD
> directors.
Bingo. See above. - Mussolini
"corporate welfare" see above. - Mussolini
> But this kind of corporate welfare and inbreeding permeates our entire
> social structure.
Yup. see above. - Mussolini
See also:
Military Industrial Complex Eisenhower:
** "In the counsels of Government, we must guard
** against the acquisition of unwarranted influence,
** whether sought or unsought, by the Military Industrial
** Complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of
** misplaced power exists, and will persist. We must
** never let the weight of this combination endanger our
** liberties or democratic processes."
** - President Dwight Eisenhower, January 1961.
"...merger of State and corporate power."
"...ownership of government by an individual,
by a group or any controlling private powers."
> Laws are written to ensure a growing need for prison
> beds, now a largely for-profit enterprise. This is why pot will never
> be legal; potheads meake great prisoners. They are non-violent and
> good workers.
Yup. The merger of State and corporate power.
> Our society is totally fucked-up. I do hope it collapses completely, so
> we can have a fresh start. Too bad we just can't identify more with the
> Nazis; their lesson is a good one.
Synopsis from World Book 1958:
Fascism's parts:
1) extreme nationalism, 2) police state, 3) cultivation
of ignorance, 4) suppression of labor, 5) militarism.
cultivation of ignorance?
Karl Rove answers:
"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans
-- unless they have too much education and vote Democratic,
which proves there can be too much of a good thing."
--Karl Rove, February 19, 2001
"We stand for the maintenance of private
property... We shall protect free enterprise as the
most expedient, or rather the sole possible
economic order."
Adolph Hitler
" Fascism should more appropriately be called
Corporatism because it is a merger of State and
corporate power."
Benito Mussolini (1883-1945), Fascist Dictator of
Italy
" The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the
people tolerate the growth of private power to the
point where it becomes stronger than the
democratic state itself. That in its essence is
fascism - ownership of government by an
individual, by a group or any controlling private
powers. "
President Franklin Delano Roosevelt - on the
threat to democracy by corporate power
Wisdom from 1938:
"The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people
tolerate the growth of private power to a point where
it becomes stronger than the democratic state itself.
> That in it's essence is fascism: ownership of the
government by an individual, by a group or any
controlling private powers."
-- Franklin Delano Roosevelt, message to congress,
proposing the "Standard Oil" Monopoly Investigation, 1938
* The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
* The rational change their world view to fit the facts.
- "Fascism should more properly be called
- corporatism, since it is the merger
- of state and corporate power."
-- - Benito Mussolini, father of fascism.
Doug Bashford
in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, On 21 Jun 2009, Michael Coburn said
about:
Re: Who Is "Fascist"?
> On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 07:29:13 -0700, Chas. Chan wrote:
>
> > On Jun 18, 2:54 am, see.my....@theBeach.edu (Doug Bashford) wrote:
.................snip
> > I would by far rather have the Private Sector run government than have
> > The Governement run the private sector.
Could be. But that's off topic.
That is a false, manufactured dichotomy.
...either a red herring or strawman,
I'm guessing from sloppy thinking due to
kneejerk grabbing at straws.
Can we stay on topic?
> >
> > Read "The Road to Sefdom".
>
> You seem to have answered your own question: Mussolini was a fascist.
>
> Your ridiculous unsupported claims that Roosevelt was a "socialist" and
> that "he recognized that fascism was the only means to true Socialism"
> are your own demented creations.
Yep. See my above comment. ...Off topic.
However, I'm not up on the latest LP Libertarian
"talking points." The LP completly robs Libertarians
from the freedom to communicate with outsiders by
redefining key vocabulary terms (such as socialism,
taxes, government...google: Libertarian "Orwellian Linguistics")
> The reality is that socialism is a political manifestation in which the
> government _OWNS_ the means of production. Fascism is ab-use of
> government by the wealthy and powerful in league with the church to
> maintain and enhance the power of the owner class. These two political
> contrivances are entirely different.
Bingo. To further clarify, socialism is against Capitalism,
but Capitalism is part of Fascism.
** And above all Fascism denies that class-war can
** be the preponderant force in the transformation of
** society....
** --Benito Mussolini, (Fascist dictator), from The
** Internet Modern History Sourcebook
[[[[
"Fascism should more properly be called
corporatism, since it is the merger
of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
"We stand for the maintenance of private
property... We shall protect free enterprise as the
most expedient, or rather the sole possible
economic order."
Adolph Hitler
"You don't need a totalitarian dictatorship like
Hitler's to get by with murder ... you can do it in a
democracy as long as the Congress and the people
Congress is supposed to represent don't give a
damn?"
William Shirer, author of
"The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich", 1973
Wisdom from 1938:
"The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people
cuh...@webtv.net
B HO has NEGATIVE approval index yet again.
www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=267451
Yet Again,,, Yet Again,,, Yet Again,,,,,,,,
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
DON'T GO THERE!
www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=267424
cuhulin
John Barnard
> In article <telamon_spamshield-081D64.09452220062009
> @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
>> In article <MPG.24a660f5d...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
>> BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
>>
>> < SNIP>
>>
>>> With no power, except to rile up kooktards who share their views.
>> Going to make another 1,800 or so lame posts again this month?
>
> How many posts I make is your business?
>
>
>> Take you stupid crap back to alt.usenet.kooks where you belong kook'tard.
>
> What did I say in the post above that's "stupid"? It's not a real grand
> jury, it has no power to do anything but get people who agree with them
> worked up about their "indictments".
>
> But what would you know about reality anyway, after all, you believe
> Obama was born in Kenya.
>
> Do you have the vanity plate "KUKTRD" on your car? You should.
>
I'd chip in some $$$ to buy Telemundoh such a plate!
BDK
Me too! It would be my civic duty to help warn others that his car is
driven by a kooktard! Like the drunk plates.
cuh...@webtv.net
cuhulin
............................................
How were Cats domesticated? The answer is, they weren't!
............................................
cuh...@webtv.net
www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=267718
The White House is NOT his White House! The White House belongs to us!
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
Larry Sinclair #4 on Fascist Hitler Michelle's People to Destroy.
www.rense.com
The front two corner post thingys on my old trailer are weird.What it
is, it tooked me all day to rig em up.Each front corner is two 2'' by
4'' by six feet two inches tall with three 4'' by 4''s one foot long
that I rigged up with three inch long screws.(picture it in your mind's
eyes) It is because of the factory welded on offset steel brackets, is
what it is.I hopes to make more progress on my old trailer tomorrow.
cuhulin, learning the hard way how to enclose my old trailer with 2''
by'' 4''s and plywood
John Barnard
> In article <5IB0m.47240$mX2....@newsfe05.iad>, jf...@shaw.ca says...
>> BDK wrote:
>>> In article <telamon_spamshield-081D64.09452220062009
>>> @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
>>> telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
>>>> In article <MPG.24a660f5d...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
>>>> BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> < SNIP>
>>>>
>>>>> With no power, except to rile up kooktards who share their views.
>>>> Going to make another 1,800 or so lame posts again this month?
>>> How many posts I make is your business?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Take you stupid crap back to alt.usenet.kooks where you belong kook'tard.
>>> What did I say in the post above that's "stupid"? It's not a real grand
>>> jury, it has no power to do anything but get people who agree with them
>>> worked up about their "indictments".
>>>
>>> But what would you know about reality anyway, after all, you believe
>>> Obama was born in Kenya.
>>>
>>> Do you have the vanity plate "KUKTRD" on your car? You should.
>>>
>> I'd chip in some $$$ to buy Telemundoh such a plate!
>>
>>
>
> Me too! It would be my civic duty to help warn others that his car is
> driven by a kooktard! Like the drunk plates.
A vanity plate for a vain person such as Telemundoh! He's not afraid to
be a kooktard in the newsgroup so maybe he wouldn't be afraid to be
display his kooktard conspiracies on his vehicle? I can see his car
peppered with stickers along the lines of "My other conspiracy involves
persecution" or "Aliens came down and hypnotized me".
BDK
I bet he really was upset when the Weekly World News folded up. I bet it
was one of his most important "news" sources. He probably wonders who is
covering up the "Bat Boy" story.
~ RHF
> In article <ICU1m.2977$4Q1.2...@newsfe01.iad>, j...@shaw.ca says...
>
>
>
> > BDK wrote:
> > > In article <5IB0m.47240$mX2.3...@newsfe05.iad>, j...@shaw.ca says...
> > >> BDK wrote:
> > >>> In article <telamon_spamshield-081D64.09452220062009
> > >>> @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> > >>>> In article <MPG.24a660f5de7388e298b...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
>
> > >>>> < SNIP>
>
> > >>>>> With no power, except to rile up kooktards who share their views.
> > >>>> Going to make another 1,800 or so lame posts again this month?
> > >>> How many posts I make is your business?
>
> > >>>> Take you stupid crap back to alt.usenet.kooks where you belong kook'tard.
> > >>> What did I say in the post above that's "stupid"? It's not a real grand
> > >>> jury, it has no power to do anything but get people who agree with them
> > >>> worked up about their "indictments".
>
> > >>> But what would you know about reality anyway, after all, you believe
> > >>> Obama was born in Kenya.
>
> > >>> Do you have the vanity plate "KUKTRD" on your car? You should.
>
> > >> I'd chip in some $$$ to buy Telemundoh such a plate!
>
> > > Me too! It would be my civic duty to help warn others that his car is
> > > driven by a kooktard! Like the drunk plates.
>
> > A vanity plate for a vain person such as Telemundoh! He's not afraid to
> > be a kooktard in the newsgroup so maybe he wouldn't be afraid to be
> > display his kooktard conspiracies on his vehicle? I can see his car
> > peppered with stickers along the lines of "My other conspiracy involves
> > persecution" or "Aliens came down and hypnotized me".
>
> I bet he really was upset when the Weekly World News folded up. I bet it
> was one of his most important "news" sources.
- He probably wonders who is
- covering up the "Bat Boy" story.
> --
>
> BDK..
> Leader of the nonexistent paid shills.
> Non Jew Jew Club founding member.
> Former number one Kook Magnet, title passed to Iarnrod.
Telamon come out of the Cave . . .
http://www.collintheatrecenter.com/PastShows/2005/BatBoy/Photos/BatBoy-scanned.jpg
.
BDK
6517c9...@r33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, rhf-new...@pacbell.net
says...
It must be ripe in there by now.
cuh...@webtv.net
Invent a wireless device that can sit next to tv sets that will will
sense tv commercials and it will automatically MUTE the sound.
It would be a sure fire Winner! I have no doubt it can be done.
cuhulin
dave
There are such devices already.
Telamon
BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
Figures you would be spending your time reading KooKy tabloids.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
> In article <5e5f647c-5f8f-4ced-9a48-
> 6517c9...@r33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, rhf-new...@pacbell.net
> says...
> > On Jun 28, 10:28ï¿œpm, BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote:
> > > In article <ICU1m.2977$4Q1.2...@newsfe01.iad>, j...@shaw.ca says...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > BDK wrote:
> > > > > In article <5IB0m.47240$mX2.3...@newsfe05.iad>, j...@shaw.ca says...
> > > > >> BDK wrote:
> > > > >>> In article <telamon_spamshield-081D64.09452220062009
> > > > >>> @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> > > > >>> telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
> > > > >>>> In article <MPG.24a660f5de7388e298b...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
The mellon sitting on your shoulders must be pretty ripe between the
ears.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
BDK
There isn't much in those tabloids that's crazier than you Obama
birthtards are, Telemundoh.
BDK
@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
> In article <MPG.24b2428bd...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
> BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <5e5f647c-5f8f-4ced-9a48-
> > 6517c9...@r33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, rhf-new...@pacbell.net
> > says...
> > > > In article <ICU1m.2977$4Q1.2...@newsfe01.iad>, j...@shaw.ca says...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > BDK wrote:
> > > > > > In article <5IB0m.47240$mX2.3...@newsfe05.iad>, j...@shaw.ca says...
> > > > > >> BDK wrote:
> > > > > >>> In article <telamon_spamshield-081D64.09452220062009
> > > > > >>> @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> > > > > >>> telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
> > > > > >>>> In article <MPG.24a660f5de7388e298b...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
A 4 out of 10 at best, Telemundoh. But not too bad for a birthtard.
Telamon
BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
> In article <telamon_spamshield-E99907.19475729062009
> @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
> > In article <MPG.24b2428bd...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
> > BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <5e5f647c-5f8f-4ced-9a48-
> > > 6517c9...@r33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, rhf-new...@pacbell.net
> > > says...
> > > > On Jun 28, 10:28ï¿œpm, BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote:
> > > > > In article <ICU1m.2977$4Q1.2...@newsfe01.iad>, j...@shaw.ca says...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > BDK wrote:
> > > > > > > In article <5IB0m.47240$mX2.3...@newsfe05.iad>, j...@shaw.ca
> > > > > > > says...
> > > > > > >> BDK wrote:
> > > > > > >>> In article <telamon_spamshield-081D64.09452220062009
> > > > > > >>> @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> > > > > > >>> telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
> > > > > > >>>> In article
> > > > > > >>>> <MPG.24a660f5de7388e298b...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
Another 7 lame, same old posts from you Kookaburra.
You think you can rate what I posts when all you do is post crap
continually? Think again Kookaburra.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
BDK
@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
> In article <MPG.24b34b656...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
> BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <telamon_spamshield-E99907.19475729062009
> > @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> > telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
> > > In article <MPG.24b2428bd...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
> > > BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <5e5f647c-5f8f-4ced-9a48-
> > > > 6517c9...@r33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, rhf-new...@pacbell.net
> > > > says...
> > > > > > In article <ICU1m.2977$4Q1.2...@newsfe01.iad>, j...@shaw.ca says...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > BDK wrote:
> > > > > > > > In article <5IB0m.47240$mX2.3...@newsfe05.iad>, j...@shaw.ca
> > > > > > > > says...
> > > > > > > >> BDK wrote:
> > > > > > > >>> In article <telamon_spamshield-081D64.09452220062009
> > > > > > > >>> @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> > > > > > > >>> telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
> > > > > > > >>>> In article
> > > > > > > >>>> <MPG.24a660f5de7388e298b...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
I can do anything I want, usenet tough guy. All you can do is killfile
me, that's it. Go ahead, run away.
And no matter how far you go, you remain a birthtard.
~ RHF
<telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid> wrote:
> In article <MPG.24b34b656cc53dfe98b...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
>
>
>
> BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote:
> > In article <telamon_spamshield-E99907.19475729062009
> > @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> > telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
> > > In article <MPG.24b2428bd955d69498b...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
> > > BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In article <5e5f647c-5f8f-4ced-9a48-
> > > > 6517c99fa...@r33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net
> > > > says...
> > > > > On Jun 28, 10:28 pm, BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote:
> > > > > > In article <ICU1m.2977$4Q1.2...@newsfe01.iad>, j...@shaw.ca says...
>
> > > > > > > BDK wrote:
> > > > > > > > In article <5IB0m.47240$mX2.3...@newsfe05.iad>, j...@shaw.ca
> > > > > > > > says...
> > > > > > > >> BDK wrote:
> > > > > > > >>> In article <telamon_spamshield-081D64.09452220062009
> > > > > > > >>> @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> > > > > > > >>> telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
> > > > > > > >>>> In article
> > > > > > > >>>> <MPG.24a660f5de7388e298b...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
- Another 7 lame, same old posts from you Kookaburra.
Telamon the Lame Posting the Same
Kook-A-Burra Kook Kook Ka Bur Rah !
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3808304573841392701
June 2009 Rec.Radio.Shortwave Top Posters
Topping-the-Count @ 282 = telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid
set your pooper-scoopers on 'splat'
there be telamens about ~ RHF
.
(OT) : The Great Kook-A-Burra Debate for June 2009 - Reason # 65
Telamon
BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
> In article <telamon_spamshield-2820AF.21345029062009
> @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
> > In article <MPG.24b34b656...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
> > BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <telamon_spamshield-E99907.19475729062009
> > > @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> > > telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
> > > > In article <MPG.24b2428bd...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
> > > > BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > In article <5e5f647c-5f8f-4ced-9a48-
> > > > > 6517c9...@r33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > rhf-new...@pacbell.net
> > > > > says...
> > > > > > On Jun 28, 10:28ï¿œpm, BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > In article <ICU1m.2977$4Q1.2...@newsfe01.iad>, j...@shaw.ca
> > > > > > > says...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > BDK wrote:
> > > > > > > > > In article <5IB0m.47240$mX2.3...@newsfe05.iad>, j...@shaw.ca
> > > > > > > > > says...
> > > > > > > > >> BDK wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>> In article <telamon_spamshield-081D64.09452220062009
> > > > > > > > >>> @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> > > > > > > > >>> telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
> > > > > > > > >>>> In article
> > > > > > > > >>>> <MPG.24a660f5de7388e298b...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
You can't do squat as evidenced by your continued lame posts.
> And no matter how far you go, you remain a birthtard.
No matter what you do, you are only capable of being a retard.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
BDK
@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
> In article <MPG.24b36817b...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
> BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <telamon_spamshield-2820AF.21345029062009
> > @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> > telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
> > > In article <MPG.24b34b656...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
> > > BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <telamon_spamshield-E99907.19475729062009
> > > > @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> > > > telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
> > > > > In article <MPG.24b2428bd...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
> > > > > BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > In article <5e5f647c-5f8f-4ced-9a48-
> > > > > > 6517c9...@r33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > > rhf-new...@pacbell.net
> > > > > > says...
> > > > > > > > In article <ICU1m.2977$4Q1.2...@newsfe01.iad>, j...@shaw.ca
> > > > > > > > says...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > BDK wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > In article <5IB0m.47240$mX2.3...@newsfe05.iad>, j...@shaw.ca
> > > > > > > > > > says...
> > > > > > > > > >> BDK wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>> In article <telamon_spamshield-081D64.09452220062009
> > > > > > > > > >>> @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> > > > > > > > > >>> telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
> > > > > > > > > >>>> In article
> > > > > > > > > >>>> <MPG.24a660f5de7388e298b...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
Like you're a birthtard? I don't think so, Telemundoh. I don't have
enough chemicals in my house to screw myself up to your level of
fuckwittery..
It takes some profound brain damage to create a birthtard.
cuh...@webtv.net
www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=268070
It is no secret,,, B HO, the USURPER was born in Kenya!
cuhulin
BDK
cuh...@webtv.net says...
It's no secret, he was born in Hawaii, and birthtards are insane.
cuh...@webtv.net
certificates.
I needs to go to the Lowe's store and then across Highway 18 from the
Lowe's store to the Gestapo Wal Mart store for some oranges so I can sit
on the back end of my trailer this afternoon and eat four oranges.There
is a place near Gallatin Street and Highway 80 that sells discount
wood.I wants to see what they have in the way of cheap plywood, if they
have any.
cuhulin
....................................................
You got to hit it in the middle if you want to git a little.
....................................................
Telamon
BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
> In article <18041-4A4...@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>,
> cuh...@webtv.net says...
> > B HO, the USURPER secrecy could prevent reconition of birthplace.
> > www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=268070
> >
> > It is no secret,,, B HO, the USURPER was born in Kenya!
> > cuhulin
> >
> >
>
> It's no secret, he was born in Hawaii, and birthtards are insane.
Apparently you were there. Maybe you were the midwife.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
> In article <telamon_spamshield-FE0595.23491729062009
> @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
> > In article <MPG.24b36817b...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
> > BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <telamon_spamshield-2820AF.21345029062009
> > > @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> > > telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
> > > > In article <MPG.24b34b656...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
> > > > BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > In article <telamon_spamshield-E99907.19475729062009
> > > > > @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> > > > > telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
> > > > > > In article <MPG.24b2428bd...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
> > > > > > BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > In article <5e5f647c-5f8f-4ced-9a48-
> > > > > > > 6517c9...@r33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > > > rhf-new...@pacbell.net
> > > > > > > says...
> > > > > > > > On Jun 28, 10:28ï¿œpm, BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > In article <ICU1m.2977$4Q1.2...@newsfe01.iad>, j...@shaw.ca
> > > > > > > > > says...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > BDK wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > In article <5IB0m.47240$mX2.3...@newsfe05.iad>,
> > > > > > > > > > > j...@shaw.ca
> > > > > > > > > > > says...
> > > > > > > > > > >> BDK wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >>> In article <telamon_spamshield-081D64.09452220062009
> > > > > > > > > > >>> @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> > > > > > > > > > >>> telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> In article
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> <MPG.24a660f5de7388e298b...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
It looks like you have been into Michael Jackson's stash.
> It takes some profound brain damage to create a birthtard.
All that brain damage the reason you can't come up with something new.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
BDK
cuh...@webtv.net says...
> Nobody was born in Hawaii.They all came from Asia and got FAKE birth
> certificates.
Uh huh. Sure.
>
> I needs to go to the Lowe's store and then across Highway 18 from the
> Lowe's store to the Gestapo Wal Mart store for some oranges so I can sit
> on the back end of my trailer this afternoon and eat four oranges.
Just 4? Amateur..
> There is a place near Gallatin Street and Highway 80 that sells discount
> wood.
Ok.
> I wants to see what they have in the way of cheap plywood, if they
> have any.
Planning an addition to your home?
> cuhulin
> ....................................................
> You got to hit it in the middle if you want to git a little.
> ....................................................
>
>
--
BDK
@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
Ho, I was a little kid, and not nearly stupid enough, even at that young
age to be a birthtardic loon.
BDK
@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
> In article <MPG.24b38a209...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
> BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <telamon_spamshield-FE0595.23491729062009
> > @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> > telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
> > > In article <MPG.24b36817b...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
> > > BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <telamon_spamshield-2820AF.21345029062009
> > > > @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> > > > telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
> > > > > In article <MPG.24b34b656...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
> > > > > BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > In article <telamon_spamshield-E99907.19475729062009
> > > > > > @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> > > > > > telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
> > > > > > > In article <MPG.24b2428bd...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
> > > > > > > BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In article <5e5f647c-5f8f-4ced-9a48-
> > > > > > > > 6517c9...@r33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > rhf-new...@pacbell.net
> > > > > > > > says...
> > > > > > > > > > In article <ICU1m.2977$4Q1.2...@newsfe01.iad>, j...@shaw.ca
> > > > > > > > > > says...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > BDK wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > In article <5IB0m.47240$mX2.3...@newsfe05.iad>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > j...@shaw.ca
> > > > > > > > > > > > says...
> > > > > > > > > > > >> BDK wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> In article <telamon_spamshield-081D64.09452220062009
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> In article
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> <MPG.24a660f5de7388e298b...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
Even if I did, it still wouldn't mess me up enough to become a
birthtard.
>
> > It takes some profound brain damage to create a birthtard.
>
> All that brain damage the reason you can't come up with something new.
Really, what would possibly be the point of anything else? Birthtardism
is hard to top for laughs, Telemundoh. I know you really believe it, but
it's so off the wall batshit crazy, it cracks the vast majority of us
sane people up. And it makes you "fascinating" to my shrink ex-GF, she
would love to talk to you in person. Shit, I bet she would pay you a
decent amount of cash and buy you dinner to sit with her a couple hours,
and just talk. I'm being serious, she would love to study you guys.
Telamon
BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
> In article <telamon_spamshield-4F0E78.18124530062009
> @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
> > In article <MPG.24b4183bd...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
> > BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <18041-4A4...@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>,
> > > cuh...@webtv.net says...
> > > > B HO, the USURPER secrecy could prevent reconition of birthplace.
> > > > www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=268070
> > > >
> > > > It is no secret,,, B HO, the USURPER was born in Kenya!
> > > > cuhulin
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > It's no secret, he was born in Hawaii, and birthtards are insane.
> >
> > Apparently you were there. Maybe you were the midwife.
> >
> >
>
> Ho, I was a little kid, and not nearly stupid enough, even at that young
> age to be a birthtardic loon.
No, you were there, you know what happened. That can only be if you were
there to witness the birth of the chosen one. Time to come clean
Telamon
BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Jun 28, 10:28ï¿œpm, BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > In article <ICU1m.2977$4Q1.2...@newsfe01.iad>,
> > > > > > > > > > > j...@shaw.ca
> > > > > > > > > > > says...
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > BDK wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > In article <5IB0m.47240$mX2.3...@newsfe05.iad>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > j...@shaw.ca
> > > > > > > > > > > > > says...
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> BDK wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> In article
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> <telamon_spamshield-081D64.09452220062009
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> In article
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> <MPG.24a660f5de7388e298b...@news.buckeye-express.co
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> m>,
Well then, how did you get so messed up?
> > > It takes some profound brain damage to create a birthtard.
> >
> > All that brain damage the reason you can't come up with something new.
>
> Really, what would possibly be the point of anything else? Birthtardism
> is hard to top for laughs, Telemundoh. I know you really believe it, but
> it's so off the wall batshit crazy, it cracks the vast majority of us
> sane people up. And it makes you "fascinating" to my shrink ex-GF, she
> would love to talk to you in person. Shit, I bet she would pay you a
> decent amount of cash and buy you dinner to sit with her a couple hours,
> and just talk. I'm being serious, she would love to study you guys.
I could never compare myself to you for entertainment value.
So how is your therapy coming along? From my vantage point you don't
seem to be making any progress. Some day, and I don't know what it would
take, you will get off this stuck on stupid track.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
BDK
@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
> In article <MPG.24b4c8a33...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
> BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <telamon_spamshield-4F0E78.18124530062009
> > @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> > telamon_s...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
> > > In article <MPG.24b4183bd...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
> > > BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <18041-4A4...@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>,
> > > > cuh...@webtv.net says...
> > > > > B HO, the USURPER secrecy could prevent reconition of birthplace.
> > > > > www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=268070
> > > > >
> > > > > It is no secret,,, B HO, the USURPER was born in Kenya!
> > > > > cuhulin
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > It's no secret, he was born in Hawaii, and birthtards are insane.
> > >
> > > Apparently you were there. Maybe you were the midwife.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Ho, I was a little kid, and not nearly stupid enough, even at that young
> > age to be a birthtardic loon.
>
> No, you were there, you know what happened. That can only be if you were
> there to witness the birth of the chosen one. Time to come clean
> Kookaburra.
>
>
You're breaking down. Time for a pill, Telemundoh. Shit, a whole
handful.
BDK
> > > > > > > > > > > > In article <ICU1m.2977$4Q1.2...@newsfe01.iad>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > j...@shaw.ca
> > > > > > > > > > > > says...
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > BDK wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article <5IB0m.47240$mX2.3...@newsfe05.iad>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > j...@shaw.ca
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > says...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> BDK wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> In article
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> <telamon_spamshield-081D64.09452220062009
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> In article
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> <MPG.24a660f5de7388e298b...@news.buckeye-express.co
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> m>,
LOL, keep telling yourself that, maybe you can convince someone, maybe
even yourself..
>
> > > > It takes some profound brain damage to create a birthtard.
> > >
> > > All that brain damage the reason you can't come up with something new.
> >
> > Really, what would possibly be the point of anything else? Birthtardism
> > is hard to top for laughs, Telemundoh. I know you really believe it, but
> > it's so off the wall batshit crazy, it cracks the vast majority of us
> > sane people up. And it makes you "fascinating" to my shrink ex-GF, she
> > would love to talk to you in person. Shit, I bet she would pay you a
> > decent amount of cash and buy you dinner to sit with her a couple hours,
> > and just talk. I'm being serious, she would love to study you guys.
>
> I could never compare myself to you for entertainment value.
>
> So how is your therapy coming along?
I don't need therapy Telemundoh, I don't believe in crazy shit.
> From my vantage point you don't seem to be making any progress.
From your vantage point??
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA! That's a good one! Seriously, my ex would love
to sit down and talk to you. Just a couple of hours, and your identity
would be kept confidential. She wants to publish an article on you guys
and your beliefs.
Ok J, I gave it a shot...(This is to her, she lurks...)
> Some day, and I don't know what it would take, you will get off this stuck on stupid track.
It would take you becoming sane. That's all.
graysh...@gmail.com
(in article
<5e5f647c-5f8f-4ced...@r33g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>):
> On Jun 28, 10:28ï¿œpm, BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote:
>> In article <ICU1m.2977$4Q1.2...@newsfe01.iad>, j...@shaw.ca says...
>>
>>
>>
>>> BDK wrote:
>>>> In article <5IB0m.47240$mX2.3...@newsfe05.iad>, j...@shaw.ca says...
>>>>> BDK wrote:
>>>>>> In article <telamon_spamshield-081D64.09452220062009
>>>>>> @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
>>>>>> telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid says...
>>>>>>> In article <MPG.24a660f5de7388e298b...@news.buckeye-express.com>,
-- Gray
Telamon
BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
You cracked up long ago. So out with it Kookaburra. Tell us what
happened in Hawaii.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 28, 10:28ï¿œpm, BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > In article <ICU1m.2977$4Q1.2...@newsfe01.iad>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > j...@shaw.ca
> > > > > > > > > > > > > says...
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > BDK wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article <5IB0m.47240$mX2.3...@newsfe05.iad>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > j...@shaw.ca
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> BDK wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> In article
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> <telamon_spamshield-081D64.09452220062009
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> says...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> In article
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> <MPG.24a660f5de7388e298b...@news.buckeye-expres
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> s.co
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> m>,
I'm telling you Kookaburra. Anyone reading your brain dead posts in the
news group has been convinced.
> > > > > It takes some profound brain damage to create a birthtard.
> > > >
> > > > All that brain damage the reason you can't come up with something new.
> > >
> > > Really, what would possibly be the point of anything else? Birthtardism
> > > is hard to top for laughs, Telemundoh. I know you really believe it, but
> > > it's so off the wall batshit crazy, it cracks the vast majority of us
> > > sane people up. And it makes you "fascinating" to my shrink ex-GF, she
> > > would love to talk to you in person. Shit, I bet she would pay you a
> > > decent amount of cash and buy you dinner to sit with her a couple hours,
> > > and just talk. I'm being serious, she would love to study you guys.
> >
> > I could never compare myself to you for entertainment value.
> >
> > So how is your therapy coming along?
>
> I don't need therapy Telemundoh, I don't believe in crazy shit.
It's pretty clear you do.
> > From my vantage point you don't seem to be making any progress.
>
> From your vantage point??
>
> BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA! That's a good one! Seriously, my ex would love
> to sit down and talk to you. Just a couple of hours, and your identity
> would be kept confidential. She wants to publish an article on you guys
> and your beliefs.
>
> Ok J, I gave it a shot...(This is to her, she lurks...)
See you are just plain nuts. In the good old days you would be locked up.
> > Some day, and I don't know what it would take, you will get off this stuck
> > on stupid track.
>
> It would take you becoming sane. That's all.
Sure thing nut case.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
BDK
@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>,
Chosen one? Well, he was chosen over the old geezer and his whacked out
running mate..
> Time to come clean Kookaburra.
Probably what your parents were saying to you when you went off the deep
end, hoping against hope you were just on drugs.
> > You're breaking down. Time for a pill, Telemundoh. Shit, a whole
> > handful.
>
> You cracked up long ago. So out with it Kookaburra. Tell us what
> happened in Hawaii.
What happened in Hawaii? You really don't know?
Obama was born there, as any non-birthtard knows. All the evidence shows
he was born there. What do you think happened? I won't laugh...much.
And Jack Lord probably wasn't his daddy. I doubt Tom Selleck was either.
BDK
@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article <ICU1m.2977$4Q1.2...@newsfe01.iad>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > j...@shaw.ca
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > says...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BDK wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article <5IB0m.47240$mX2.3...@newsfe05.iad>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > j...@shaw.ca
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> BDK wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> In article
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> <telamon_spamshield-081D64.09452220062009
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> says...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> In article
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> <MPG.24a660f5de7388e298b...@news.buckeye-expres
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> s.co
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> m>,
But I'm not the birthtard here, am I?
>
> > > > > > It takes some profound brain damage to create a birthtard.
> > > > >
> > > > > All that brain damage the reason you can't come up with something new.
> > > >
> > > > Really, what would possibly be the point of anything else? Birthtardism
> > > > is hard to top for laughs, Telemundoh. I know you really believe it, but
> > > > it's so off the wall batshit crazy, it cracks the vast majority of us
> > > > sane people up. And it makes you "fascinating" to my shrink ex-GF, she
> > > > would love to talk to you in person. Shit, I bet she would pay you a
> > > > decent amount of cash and buy you dinner to sit with her a couple hours,
> > > > and just talk. I'm being serious, she would love to study you guys.
> > >
> > > I could never compare myself to you for entertainment value.
> > >
> > > So how is your therapy coming along?
> >
> > I don't need therapy Telemundoh, I don't believe in crazy shit.
>
> It's pretty clear you do.
Such as?
>
> > > From my vantage point you don't seem to be making any progress.
> >
> > From your vantage point??
> >
> > BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA! That's a good one! Seriously, my ex would love
> > to sit down and talk to you. Just a couple of hours, and your identity
> > would be kept confidential. She wants to publish an article on you guys
> > and your beliefs.
> >
> > Ok J, I gave it a shot...(This is to her, she lurks...)
>
> See you are just plain nuts. In the good old days you would be locked up.
ROTFL. She really would like to meet with you. I knew you wouldn't do
it, but I asked.
>
> > > Some day, and I don't know what it would take, you will get off this stuck
> > > on stupid track.
> >
> > It would take you becoming sane. That's all.
>
> Sure thing nut case.
Uh huh, birthtard.
Telamon
BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
No, chosen one, as in he can do no wrong.
> > Time to come clean Kookaburra.
>
> Probably what your parents were saying to you when you went off the deep
> end, hoping against hope you were just on drugs.
That's very revealing Kookaburra, that your parents had to worry about
you taking drugs and acting nuts.
> > > You're breaking down. Time for a pill, Telemundoh. Shit, a whole
> > > handful.
> >
> > You cracked up long ago. So out with it Kookaburra. Tell us what
> > happened in Hawaii.
>
> What happened in Hawaii? You really don't know?
Yeah, I don't know.
> Obama was born there, as any non-birthtard knows. All the evidence shows
> he was born there. What do you think happened? I won't laugh...much.
>
> And Jack Lord probably wasn't his daddy. I doubt Tom Selleck was either.
And how do you know this Kookaburra?
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Telamon
BDK <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 28, 10:28ï¿œpm, BDK <TopSh...@sanity.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article <ICU1m.2977$4Q1.2...@newsfe01.iad>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > j...@shaw.ca
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BDK wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <5IB0m.47240$mX2.3...@newsfe05.iad>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > j...@shaw.ca
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> BDK wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> In article
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> <telamon_spamshield-081D64.09452220062009
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> says...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> In article
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >><MPG.24a660f5de7388e298b...@news.buckeye-expre
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>s
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> s.co
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> m>,
My viewpoint about you is only reading what you have posted. You are
ignorant about what you post but you will not acknowledge it. The reason
why could range from being a whack job to being a consummate lier.
Being a whack job Troll fits in there as the most likely possibility.
Since you generate crap posts in the range of 1,000 to 2,000 a month
must keep you pretty busy.
> > > > From my vantage point you don't seem to be making any progress.
> > >
> > > From your vantage point??
> > >
> > > BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA! That's a good one! Seriously, my ex would love
> > > to sit down and talk to you. Just a couple of hours, and your identity
> > > would be kept confidential. She wants to publish an article on you guys
> > > and your beliefs.
> > >
> > > Ok J, I gave it a shot...(This is to her, she lurks...)
> >
> > See you are just plain nuts. In the good old days you would be locked up.
>
> ROTFL. She really would like to meet with you. I knew you wouldn't do
> it, but I asked.
I'm sure the "she" in your imagination has her hands full with you.
> > > > Some day, and I don't know what it would take, you will get off this
> > > > stuck
> > > > on stupid track.
> > >
> > > It would take you becoming sane. That's all.
> >
> > Sure thing nut case.
>
> Uh huh, birthtard.
Sure thing whack job.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
BDK
LOL, nobody sane thinks that anyone really believes that.
>
> > > Time to come clean Kookaburra.
> >
> > Probably what your parents were saying to you when you went off the deep
> > end, hoping against hope you were just on drugs.
>
> That's very revealing Kookaburra, that your parents had to worry about
> you taking drugs and acting nuts.
>
You're a very big projector, Telly.
> > > > You're breaking down. Time for a pill, Telemundoh. Shit, a whole
> > > > handful.
> > >
> > > You cracked up long ago. So out with it Kookaburra. Tell us what
> > > happened in Hawaii.
> >
> > What happened in Hawaii? You really don't know?
>
> Yeah, I don't know.
That's what's so funny!!!
>
> > Obama was born there, as any non-birthtard knows. All the evidence shows
> > he was born there. What do you think happened? I won't laugh...much.
> >
> > And Jack Lord probably wasn't his daddy. I doubt Tom Selleck was either.
>
> And how do you know this Kookaburra?
Well, I going to guess because they're both white, and one of his
(Obama, just in case you got confused) parents was obviously not white,
and his mother was white, so you try to figure it out if you can.
Hawaii (With a Republican Governor) has confirmed the BC posted online
is valid, so game over for you birthtards. The birth announcement in the
paper is just added nails into you birthtard's skulls. The hospital
where he was born said he was born there, and it goes on and on. You
poor birthtards seem to have some agenda behind your doubts as to where
he was born. I wonder what that might be...hmmm? (Scratching my chin and
pondering what makes a birthtard a birthtard)?
You must be shitting yourself, since you haven't seen Reagan's, Bush
I's, Clinton's (His name was Blythe when I was born, I think), and W's
BC, long or short form, either, so how do you know they were "natural
born" Americans? I would imagine you never saw any BC of any other POTUS
either, did you? You never gave a second thought about where they were
born, did you? Again, I wonder why......hmmmmmm.
And you wonder why I, and hundreds of millions of other people laugh at
you birthtards?
You do give the gift of laughter though, so you aren't totally
worthless. And eventually, you should make some fine worm food.
BDK
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article <ICU1m.2977$4Q1.2...@newsfe01.iad>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > j...@shaw.ca
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BDK wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <5IB0m.47240$mX2.3...@newsfe05.iad>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > j...@shaw.ca
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> BDK wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> In article
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> <telamon_spamshield-081D64.09452220062009
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> @newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> telamon_spamshi...@pacbell.net.is.invalid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> says...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> In article
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >><MPG.24a660f5de7388e298b...@news.buckeye-expre
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>s
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> s.co
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> m>,
I haven't lied about anything, except my name. Unless you consider my
goofing on you a "lie". But you make it so hard to resist...
>
> Being a whack job Troll fits in there as the most likely possibility.
> Since you generate crap posts in the range of 1,000 to 2,000 a month
> must keep you pretty busy.
You must read and/or type, very very slowly, if you think I spend a lot
of time posting.
>
> > > > > From my vantage point you don't seem to be making any progress.
> > > >
> > > > From your vantage point??
> > > >
> > > > BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA! That's a good one! Seriously, my ex would love
> > > > to sit down and talk to you. Just a couple of hours, and your identity
> > > > would be kept confidential. She wants to publish an article on you guys
> > > > and your beliefs.
> > > >
> > > > Ok J, I gave it a shot...(This is to her, she lurks...)
> > >
> > > See you are just plain nuts. In the good old days you would be locked up.
> >
> > ROTFL. She really would like to meet with you. I knew you wouldn't do
> > it, but I asked.
>
> I'm sure the "she" in your imagination has her hands full with you.
ROTFL. She's real Telemundoh, is a child shrink, and lives less than 8
hours away from you.
>
> > > > > Some day, and I don't know what it would take, you will get off this
> > > > > stuck
> > > > > on stupid track.
> > > >
> > > > It would take you becoming sane. That's all.
> > >
> > > Sure thing nut case.
> >
> > Uh huh, birthtard.
>
> Sure thing whack job.
LOL, you poor birthtard. Almost nothing beats a raving birthtard in a
whackjob contest. I'm not even in the same universe as you are.
John Barnard
California can't afford his meds anymore; it's going to get alot worse
from now on.
John Barnard
I can't help but notice that Telemundoh! didn't bother to reply to this
posting. I guess there were too many valid points for him to understand.
BDK
Let's see, Labor Day is taken, so April Fools day would fit in so many
ways. There must be a celebrity birthtard they can get to host it, but
I'm not aware of any celeb birthtards, so far. They could come on, and
play heartbreaking clips where some birthtard's wife or whatever says,
"Everything was so wonderful, we had a happy family, and then, in Sept,
08, it happened. The man I have loved for over 20 years was gone, and in
his place was someone, some thing I didn't even know. He had turned into
a birthtard!! I was devastated, the kids asked me, "Mom, what's wrong
with Dad? I....I had to tell them that (sobs) their father had an
extreme case of birthtardery!!My little girl climbed into bed with me
and we held each other and cried all night. The worst part is that John
doesn't think anything is wrong, but he spends all night, every night,
online with the other people who have developed this awful disease,
raving about Obama being born in Kenya. He's so sick, but he won't do
anything to help himself!! There are times I think about taking the kids
and leaving, but you don't leave someone because they have become ill,
even if it's a mental illness, not a physical one!!!"
That would be a classic.
cuh...@webtv.net
at MINUS THREE.
- 3
www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=268685
cuhulin
BDK
cuh...@webtv.net says...
He might have bad ratings on whatever poll that is, but he was born in
Hawaii. You need to get some help.
cuh...@webtv.net
morning.The woman at the store said to take one in the morning and one
in the afternoon.
cuhulin
cuh...@webtv.net
BDK
cuh...@webtv.net says...
You'll have to ask Devvy how many more whoppers she's going to spew.
cuh...@webtv.net
www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=268768
cuhulin
BDK
cuh...@webtv.net says...
> Now it is MINUS 5 (- 5) for your born in Kenya! buddy B HO.
> www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=268768
> cuhulin
>
>
My buddy? You really stopped drinking?
cuh...@webtv.net
Jurgens movie, The Devil Below.
Curt slaps Heinie and says, Sing it Heinie!
The same same theme music (if you can call that crap music? I call it
Crap.We stomped that nazi crap out of those nazis in World War Two) is
in The Battle of the Bulge Henry Fonda Robert Shaw movie which was on
teevee this morning.
Curt Jurgens was a Good guy.He protested leetle Adolph Hitler's nazi
crap.Curt Jurgens sat out World War Two in a nazi klink.
I have some Jurgens kinfolks.Some Welsh kinfolks too, I also have.
cuhulin