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Tom Kunich
Dec 3, 2022, 6:21:36 PM12/3/22
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the public health principle of effectiveness says public agencies should only intervene when they know an intervention is effective. A bevy of research shows the efficacy of masks is unclear.
Unclear is an understatement.
There have been many studies over the years that showed masks to be totally ineffective. I have again and again published the results of the CDC page on "excess deaths from covid-19" That shows no more excess deaths from covid-19 than in any bad influenza year.
But the media report millions of deaths. Well inasmuch as there were mask mandates everywhere why didn't they help?
It is shocking that tests that show mask use indicate that the difference between using a mask and not is the same as contracting the corona virus and not.
Some of the most prestigious medical schools have published "studies" that had FOUR participants and claiming that showed effective utility of masks. Now is these the sort of graduates you want operating on you?
Let's just say that if a mask actually worked and the almost universal use of masks, why was the infection rates between states mandating mask use and Florida mandating nothing at all the same between both. I'm sure that sicko Liebermann will complain that not everyone was wearing a mask. So this tiny percentage was responsible for maintaining the same infection rate as Florida with no mask mandates. No one could ever expect Liebermann to grow up because he has no intentions of ever doing so.
Unclear is an understatement.
There have been many studies over the years that showed masks to be totally ineffective. I have again and again published the results of the CDC page on "excess deaths from covid-19" That shows no more excess deaths from covid-19 than in any bad influenza year.
But the media report millions of deaths. Well inasmuch as there were mask mandates everywhere why didn't they help?
It is shocking that tests that show mask use indicate that the difference between using a mask and not is the same as contracting the corona virus and not.
Some of the most prestigious medical schools have published "studies" that had FOUR participants and claiming that showed effective utility of masks. Now is these the sort of graduates you want operating on you?
Let's just say that if a mask actually worked and the almost universal use of masks, why was the infection rates between states mandating mask use and Florida mandating nothing at all the same between both. I'm sure that sicko Liebermann will complain that not everyone was wearing a mask. So this tiny percentage was responsible for maintaining the same infection rate as Florida with no mask mandates. No one could ever expect Liebermann to grow up because he has no intentions of ever doing so.
Frank Krygowski
Dec 3, 2022, 7:52:12 PM12/3/22
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On 12/3/2022 6:21 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> the public health principle of effectiveness says public agencies should only intervene when they know an intervention is effective. A bevy of research shows the efficacy of masks is unclear.
Sorry I don't remember the exact quote, but it was pretty close to this:
> the public health principle of effectiveness says public agencies should only intervene when they know an intervention is effective. A bevy of research shows the efficacy of masks is unclear.
"From now on I will post only about bicycle related topics." - Tom Kunich
And that same Tom Kunich accused others of turning the discussions to
non-bike topics.
Sadly, Tom probably can't remember saying that.
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- Frank Krygowski
Jeff Liebermann
Dec 3, 2022, 8:07:07 PM12/3/22
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On Sat, 3 Dec 2022 19:52:05 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>On 12/3/2022 6:21 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> the public health principle of effectiveness says public agencies should only intervene when they know an intervention is effective. A bevy of research shows the efficacy of masks is unclear.
>Sorry I don't remember the exact quote, but it was pretty close to this:
>"From now on I will post only about bicycle related topics." - Tom Kunich
07/07/2022
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>On 12/3/2022 6:21 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> the public health principle of effectiveness says public agencies should only intervene when they know an intervention is effective. A bevy of research shows the efficacy of masks is unclear.
>Sorry I don't remember the exact quote, but it was pretty close to this:
>"From now on I will post only about bicycle related topics." - Tom Kunich
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/7ejkbwjjSYs/m/slej2kB7AgAJ>
"And appropriately I have jammed Slocum and Liebermann back into the
kill file with the rest of them and shall now hopefully only comment
on cycling related things. You and the actual cyclists here have had
too much of your patience tried by me responding to the idiots who
cycle not."
>And that same Tom Kunich accused others of turning the discussions to
>non-bike topics.
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/0nnsWT4u5E0/m/RiHxM-LZBQAJ>
"Tell you what; from now on when these idiots change the subject let's
simply drop it right there?"
>Sadly, Tom probably can't remember saying that.
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John B.
Dec 3, 2022, 8:45:49 PM12/3/22
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Thailand where not wearing a mask is a violation of the "emergency
law" and you will be fined (about (3-1/3 minimum daily salary) for
being without a mask, even when riding a motorcycle or driving a car
and refused entrance to stores and shops unless you are wearing a mask
and have your temperature taken, and the U.S. where masks are sort of
on again, off again thing with some states allowing it and some states
forbidding it, and some doing one thing and then changing their mind.
Thailand - cases per 1 million population - 67,171, deaths /1M - 473.
U.S. - Cases per 1 million population - 301,059, deaths/1M -
3,305.
That is a rate of contracting the disease some 3-1/5 times greater, in
the U.S. and almost 7 times greater chance of dying.
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Cheers,
John B.
John B.
Dec 3, 2022, 8:52:35 PM12/3/22
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On Sat, 03 Dec 2022 17:06:58 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:
>On Sat, 3 Dec 2022 19:52:05 -0500, Frank Krygowski
><frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>On 12/3/2022 6:21 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> the public health principle of effectiveness says public agencies should only intervene when they know an intervention is effective. A bevy of research shows the efficacy of masks is unclear.
>
>>Sorry I don't remember the exact quote, but it was pretty close to this:
>>"From now on I will post only about bicycle related topics." - Tom Kunich
>
>07/07/2022
><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/7ejkbwjjSYs/m/slej2kB7AgAJ>
>"And appropriately I have jammed Slocum and Liebermann back into the
>kill file with the rest of them and shall now hopefully only comment
>on cycling related things. You and the actual cyclists here have had
>too much of your patience tried by me responding to the idiots who
>cycle not."
>
>>And that same Tom Kunich accused others of turning the discussions to
>>non-bike topics.
>
>08/06/2022
><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/0nnsWT4u5E0/m/RiHxM-LZBQAJ>
>"Tell you what; from now on when these idiots change the subject let's
>simply drop it right there?"
>
>>Sadly, Tom probably can't remember saying that.
The nicest thing about a "kill file" is that you don't have to read
all those posts which demonstrate that you don't know what you are
talking about and thus you can prance about with your shoulder "rared
back" thinking "Ho! Ho! Look at me. I must be right as nobody has
shown me to be in error"
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Cheers,
John B.
wrote:
>On Sat, 3 Dec 2022 19:52:05 -0500, Frank Krygowski
><frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>On 12/3/2022 6:21 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> the public health principle of effectiveness says public agencies should only intervene when they know an intervention is effective. A bevy of research shows the efficacy of masks is unclear.
>
>>Sorry I don't remember the exact quote, but it was pretty close to this:
>>"From now on I will post only about bicycle related topics." - Tom Kunich
>
>07/07/2022
><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/7ejkbwjjSYs/m/slej2kB7AgAJ>
>"And appropriately I have jammed Slocum and Liebermann back into the
>kill file with the rest of them and shall now hopefully only comment
>on cycling related things. You and the actual cyclists here have had
>too much of your patience tried by me responding to the idiots who
>cycle not."
>
>>And that same Tom Kunich accused others of turning the discussions to
>>non-bike topics.
>
>08/06/2022
><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/0nnsWT4u5E0/m/RiHxM-LZBQAJ>
>"Tell you what; from now on when these idiots change the subject let's
>simply drop it right there?"
>
>>Sadly, Tom probably can't remember saying that.
all those posts which demonstrate that you don't know what you are
talking about and thus you can prance about with your shoulder "rared
back" thinking "Ho! Ho! Look at me. I must be right as nobody has
shown me to be in error"
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Cheers,
John B.
Jeff Liebermann
Dec 4, 2022, 12:21:33 AM12/4/22
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On Sun, 04 Dec 2022 08:52:25 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I've been on Usenet since Bnews 2.11 and where there were 16
newsgroups maximum. I previously explained some of my history to Tom
in this rant:
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/nB9mqKGsS-0/m/t3CwKUzPBQAJ>
I've seen an unknown number kill files over the years. Very few users
have kill files. Browser based readers don't have kill files. Those
that do have kill files use them to pre-filter spammers. Nobody
filters by name because they're always curious to see what they're
missing. Tom claims to have a kill file, but is using Google Groups
to read news, which doesn't have a kill file feature.
wrote:
newsgroups maximum. I previously explained some of my history to Tom
in this rant:
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/nB9mqKGsS-0/m/t3CwKUzPBQAJ>
I've seen an unknown number kill files over the years. Very few users
have kill files. Browser based readers don't have kill files. Those
that do have kill files use them to pre-filter spammers. Nobody
filters by name because they're always curious to see what they're
missing. Tom claims to have a kill file, but is using Google Groups
to read news, which doesn't have a kill file feature.
John B.
Dec 4, 2022, 1:01:46 AM12/4/22
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On Sat, 03 Dec 2022 21:21:24 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
But how aggressive it makes him sound - "I've got you in my kill
file". Doesn't it just make you shudder to know that.
But what does it say about Tommy? Someone posts a correction to one or
more of his wildest statements, complete with evidence that he really
was incorrect and his response is, effectively, "OH YOU ARE PICKING ON
ME! I'LL PUT YOU IN MY KILL FILE!"
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Cheers,
John B.
file". Doesn't it just make you shudder to know that.
But what does it say about Tommy? Someone posts a correction to one or
more of his wildest statements, complete with evidence that he really
was incorrect and his response is, effectively, "OH YOU ARE PICKING ON
ME! I'LL PUT YOU IN MY KILL FILE!"
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Cheers,
John B.
Jeff Liebermann
Dec 4, 2022, 4:55:30 AM12/4/22
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On Sun, 04 Dec 2022 13:01:36 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
Yes, but it does sound better than "Agree with me or I'll enter your
credentials into my Usenet news reader message filter". Of course
anyone who knows how a kill file and Usenet actually work could care
less, and those who don't know probably don't care.
>But what does it say about Tommy? Someone posts a correction to one or
>more of his wildest statements, complete with evidence that he really
>was incorrect and his response is, effectively, "OH YOU ARE PICKING ON
>ME! I'LL PUT YOU IN MY KILL FILE!"
What says more about Tom is that he's apparently intentionally posting
fabricated and erroneous information. Even when he would be expected
to know that he's wrong, he persists in trying to pass his lies as if
they were verifiable truths. To make things worse, he repeats his
erroneous claims multiple times. There's a long list of possible
explanations, but the one's that bother me is that he's intentionally
posting garbage when he knows better and that he seems to be doing it
solely to attract attention because he has discovered that wrong
information gets everyone's attention, while being correct merely gets
him a "+1" reply. It's sad to watch him try to set himself up as some
kind of authority, and then shoot himself in the foot by providing
wrong information that can easily be determined to be wrong with a
simple Google search.
credentials into my Usenet news reader message filter". Of course
anyone who knows how a kill file and Usenet actually work could care
less, and those who don't know probably don't care.
>But what does it say about Tommy? Someone posts a correction to one or
>more of his wildest statements, complete with evidence that he really
>was incorrect and his response is, effectively, "OH YOU ARE PICKING ON
>ME! I'LL PUT YOU IN MY KILL FILE!"
fabricated and erroneous information. Even when he would be expected
to know that he's wrong, he persists in trying to pass his lies as if
they were verifiable truths. To make things worse, he repeats his
erroneous claims multiple times. There's a long list of possible
explanations, but the one's that bother me is that he's intentionally
posting garbage when he knows better and that he seems to be doing it
solely to attract attention because he has discovered that wrong
information gets everyone's attention, while being correct merely gets
him a "+1" reply. It's sad to watch him try to set himself up as some
kind of authority, and then shoot himself in the foot by providing
wrong information that can easily be determined to be wrong with a
simple Google search.
Ralph Barone
Dec 4, 2022, 12:22:06 PM12/4/22
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mention some other user’s name, once somebody (ie: you) replies to somebody
who is killfiled, their posts start shadowing up again.
Frank Krygowski
Dec 4, 2022, 12:56:35 PM12/4/22
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On 12/4/2022 12:21 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> Tom claims to have a kill file, but is using Google Groups
> to read news, which doesn't have a kill file feature.
And even more weirdly, Tom pretends to read the reports of "kill filed"
> Tom claims to have a kill file, but is using Google Groups
> to read news, which doesn't have a kill file feature.
posts sent to him by phantoms - that is, anonymous assistants who tell
him what was posted here. And he replies here to those purported reports!
Some serious weirdness there.
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- Frank Krygowski
Frank Krygowski
Dec 4, 2022, 1:06:32 PM12/4/22
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On 12/4/2022 4:55 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
> What says more about Tom is that he's apparently intentionally posting
> fabricated and erroneous information. Even when he would be expected
> to know that he's wrong, he persists in trying to pass his lies as if
> they were verifiable truths. To make things worse, he repeats his
> erroneous claims multiple times. There's a long list of possible
> explanations, but the one's that bother me is that he's intentionally
> posting garbage when he knows better and that he seems to be doing it
> solely to attract attention because he has discovered that wrong
> information gets everyone's attention, while being correct merely gets
> him a "+1" reply.
It's been said that classic trolls (we do have a couple) get a frisson
>
> What says more about Tom is that he's apparently intentionally posting
> fabricated and erroneous information. Even when he would be expected
> to know that he's wrong, he persists in trying to pass his lies as if
> they were verifiable truths. To make things worse, he repeats his
> erroneous claims multiple times. There's a long list of possible
> explanations, but the one's that bother me is that he's intentionally
> posting garbage when he knows better and that he seems to be doing it
> solely to attract attention because he has discovered that wrong
> information gets everyone's attention, while being correct merely gets
> him a "+1" reply.
of pleasure when someone reacts to their absurdities.
But Tom seems different. There seems to be no pleasure involved at all.
Everything is about anger and misery.
He's a very sad case. I'd feel sorry for him if he weren't so obnoxious.
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- Frank Krygowski
Jeff Liebermann
Dec 4, 2022, 5:10:11 PM12/4/22
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Forte Agent has a "message filter" feature that I think (not sure) can
deal with that. However, I really don't want to check right now.
<https://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php>
The details and instructions are in the Forte Agent help, but I can't
find a copy online. Included is a Regex-like language. I've written
a few simple filters, mostly to remove spammers. See the "Filtering
Message" section:
<https://www.forteinc.com/agent/faq.php>
Tom Kunich
Dec 4, 2022, 5:24:20 PM12/4/22
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John B.
Dec 4, 2022, 5:57:41 PM12/4/22
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On Sun, 04 Dec 2022 01:55:20 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
Living proof that the Dunning訪ruger effect is real.
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Cheers,
John B.
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Cheers,
John B.
John B.
Dec 4, 2022, 6:34:04 PM12/4/22
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On Sun, 04 Dec 2022 14:10:03 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
Agent allows the defining of either subject or poster as the
determining factor in a "filter".
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Cheers,
John B.
determining factor in a "filter".
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Cheers,
John B.
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