Does anyone actually still ride a bike?

[Wolfgang Strobl]

In this group, I wade through tons of posts about cars, home electrics,
vaccinations, guns, rifles, pistols, school shootings, bike repairs,
inflation, ridiculous bikes, etc etc, but read little about actually
using the bicycle as a mode of transport and cycling as something
enjoyable.

As a contrast, I'd like to mention two recent rides that I really
enjoyed. First one a week ago,

2022-06-22: 07:54:53 138.6 km 1921 m up, 1893 m down, 17.5 km/h

<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pluspora/plainpostings/20220627t2102-bicycle_resting_at_a_soccer_table_standing_on_a_chessboard_facing_.html>

Scenic pictures taken on a bicycle trip from Bonn (former capital of
Germany) to a small village at the foot of the highest hill of the Ahr
hills, both called Aremberg.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahr_Hills>

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aremberg_(mountain)>

For a map, some more pictures and a longer description in German
language, look here:

<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pluspora/plainpostings/20220623t1307-2022_06_22_hausrunde_mit_dem_rennrad_diesmal_138_km_bonn_aremberg.html>



The tour after that I did yesterday.

<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pluspora/plainpostings/20220629t0904-2022_06_28_hausrunde_mit_dem_rennrad_bonn_todenfeld_remagen_und_zu.html>

2022-06-28: 04:41:59 95.2 km 961 m up, 934 m down, 20.3 km/h

"Everywhere summer festivals are announced, a mill festival in
Fritzdorf, here a fair in Houverath. It's about seven kilometers to the
south-west from here, and I've often cycled past it on previous bike
tours. This is a report from yesterday's bike tour, mostly written in
German, too. But because it's mostly visual information (pictures and
graphics), I hope it's interesting even if you don't understand German."

--
Wir danken für die Beachtung aller Sicherheitsbestimmungen

[AMuzi]

Thank you!
Nice break on a stressful afternoon.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Mark Cleary]

Wow looks beautiful much better scenery than my 64 mile ride today. It is not bad scenery but nothing like I see in those pictures. I still ride and generally stay on topic but who knows with the likes here.
Deacon mark

[Lou Holtman]

You don’t have to worry about me; up to now just 5800 km this year. Last ride yesterday, next ride tomorrow.

Lou

[Tom Kunich]

I suppose I have to agree with you. But it is difficult to not comment when the likes of some of the people here who don't ride bikes make stupid comments. But I can try harder to stay on subject.

Today I did a short 40 Kilometer ride. I decided to stay out of the hills since the wind was predicted at 30 mph with additional 15 mph gusts. Down at sea level I would guess the wind a fairly constant 20 mph (32 kph) but passing traffic would break the wind. I was riding the Trek with the Version 2 Garmin speed and cadence detectors. Since my 830 has been sent back to the factory for exchange I was using my Garmin 800 and it had the weirdest screens on it (no cadence and "miles to go" instead of distance) I probably spent 30 minutes at the rest stop trying to figure out how to reset the screens but they wouldn't change.

The course I decided to take was heavy pretty fast traffic and then almost exclusively bike paths. My hill rides are similar to your pictures except the condition of the roads. I'll try to get some pictures next hill ride. There are few areas in the crowded Bay Area where hill rides are so clean and quiet but there are a few. I have one planned for next Tuesday so let's see how that turns out. Today the wind and the weather was cold but there was only one area where my aluminum bike was making noise. And it was strange. The noise was as if a brake cable was dragging against the spokes but that isn't possible. So I guess I picked up a stick of some such. It was only for about 15.
meters and then the noise disappeared.

Because of the cold and wind I don't suppose I would say that this ride was fun. But my legs feel fine and I am not exhausted so whatever was bothering me seems to be done with. I am looking forward to climbing rides.

Another problem is that the C50 seems to have the rear dropouts moving about a bit. With the 28 mm tires I have on it, with the wheels in the dropouts properly they turn fine. But it the wheels move a bit down in the dropouts they most forward and the tires drag on the brake bridge. The larger tires really ride well for my 1.9 meters and 87 kg, so I would like to figure out what is wrong. Perhaps the quick releases are slipping since these are Chinese deep carbon wheels with aluminum brake tracks. Chinese quick releases are not what Campagnolo designed - they tighten and then from the last little bit they release a little so that the quick release cannot pull loose. The latest Campy quick releases are really well designed and they are lighter than the old brass ones.

[Tom Kunich]

I'm stuck at 2,700 km at the moment and seem to be moving on very slowly. Depending on the weather this year I may be able to double that before the end of the year.

Next year I how to be back to my normal 10,000 km and 40,000 meters of climbing.

[Tim R]

On Thursday, June 30, 2022 at 6:02:52 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, June 30, 2022 at 1:23:05 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Thursday, June 30, 2022 at 8:41:14 PM UTC+2, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
> > > In this group, I wade through tons of posts about cars, home electrics,
> > > vaccinations, guns, rifles, pistols, school shootings, bike repairs,
> > > inflation, ridiculous bikes, etc etc, but read little about actually
> > > using the bicycle as a mode of transport and cycling as something
> > > enjoyable.
> > >

I saw an interesting bike rider today on my morning walk in the neighborhood.

Teenage girl riding leisurely up and down the street, possibly waiting for the library to open, texting on her phone with both thumbs while riding no handed, making it look easy.

[Frank Krygowski]

Some health problems (not mine) have greatly restricted our riding, but
my wife and I are still doing short rides (up to 30 miles) plus utility
rides.

I feel lucky to live in an area with hundreds of small roads similar to
those in your photos. I have friends who lived and rode here, then moved
away to other places and joined other bike clubs. They say people don't
realize how wonderful our area is for riding. I agree with them.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Ralph Barone]

30 km today. I clocked out of work early and rode along the coastline to
improve my mental and physical health.

[Wolfgang Strobl]

Am Thu, 30 Jun 2022 13:23:02 -0700 (PDT) schrieb Lou Holtman
<lou.h...@gmail.com>:

>You don’t have to worry about me; up to now just 5800 km this year.
>Last ride yesterday, next ride tomorrow.

That's great. But most of what I read here is not about cycling, where
people ride, for what purpose, what they use while riding, what they see
doing it...

Sure, this is .tech, but it is the last remaining working r.b. group,
there is not much context for talking tech, anymore.

[Sepp Ruf]

Wolfgang Strobl wrote:

> <https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pluspora/plainpostings/20220627t2102-bicycle_resting_at_a_soccer_table_standing_on_a_chessboard_facing_.html>

No remnants of police tape that had certainly fenced off that soccer
table from possibly becoming a c°rona hotspot?
<https://www.giessener-allgemeine.de/bilder/2020/05/04/13750029/1861909321-oli_sportpark_050520_4c-1la7.jpg>

Thanks for the photo of the "lost" Schauff site. I guess there is no
public spot from which one could see whether any abandoned machinery
etc. is left inside.
<https://www.rennrad-news.de/forum/threads/26-mai-2022-4-kaffee-klatsch-bei-vélo-schauff-in-remagen-rhein.145995/page-16#post-5309079>

[Lou Holtman]

I pushed myself last Wednesday, so today I was 'allowed' a relaxed ride ;-) so I had the time to take some pictures along today's route, one of my 'Hausrundes'. While doing so one realize that you take a lot for granted but actually are blessed with nice cycling roads. Thanks for the reminder.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/A5e6efzoEPsvBe8G7

Lou

[Wolfgang Strobl]

Am Fri, 1 Jul 2022 13:23:26 +0200 schrieb Sepp Ruf
<inq...@Safe-mail.net>:

>Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
>
>> <https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pluspora/plainpostings/20220627t2102-bicycle_resting_at_a_soccer_table_standing_on_a_chessboard_facing_.html>
>
>No remnants of police tape that had certainly fenced off that soccer
>table from possibly becoming a c°rona hotspot?

No need, the school hotel ("Schullandheim") was often closed over the
last few years, for various reasons, including corona. However, a
private association is working on renovating it. As always, the problem
is money.

>
>Thanks for the photo of the "lost" Schauff site. I guess there is no
>public spot from which one could see whether any abandoned machinery
>etc. is left inside.
><https://www.rennrad-news.de/forum/threads/26-mai-2022-4-kaffee-klatsch-bei-vélo-schauff-in-remagen-rhein.145995/page-16#post-5309079>

Thanks for the link. Probably not. On the one hand you probably have a
better view from higher up, but most of the windows are dirty.

[Tom Kunich]

With Gasoline at $6.50/gallon it hasn't even slowed down the traffic around here. All the cars are carrying a single occupant as well. And they are still driving WELL over the speed limit. I took a shortcut to a bike path in order to go my speed in a 20 mph wind which appeared to come from every direction, When I got out to the main street the police had it blocked off because of a high speed crash. I went across the green light and the cars that would have to turn around went right through their red light and almost hit me. There were several cops there and none of them did a thing about those guys running red lights. I went down another two blocks where I could get back on a bike path and damned if another couple of cars felt the need to try to pass me in order to get to a turn-off before me when all they had to do was slow up slightly and I would have been past. Then right at the entrance to the bike path damned if some idiot didn't want to turn right as I'm trying to make a 120 degree turn up onto a narrow bike path with a couple of steel bars blocking it to keep cars off of it. Again the savings in time was so small that he wasted more time having to brake after almost hitting me. I simply cannot understand that amount of driving people are doing when gas is so expensive. Even on residential streets children cannot cross the street on their own because cars are driving 35 in the 25 mph area and 25 is too fast because it is a 40 degree blind turn at a children's playground!

Besides attempting to stay on bike paths for as much of the ride as possible, it was drizzling the entire day when it was supposed to stop at 6 am. If it's like this tomorrow I simply won't ride. Well, there's a 19% chance of rain during my ride tomorrow so screw it. Tuesday I'll do a climbing ride and try and get some pictures.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 7/2/2022 4:56 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> With Gasoline at $6.50/gallon it hasn't even slowed down the traffic around here.

Hey, "Free market!" and "What the market will bear!" It's a libertarian
capitalist paradise. Give thanks!


--
- Frank Krygowski

[Wolfgang Strobl]

Am Fri, 1 Jul 2022 06:36:46 -0700 (PDT) schrieb Lou Holtman

<lou.h...@gmail.com>:

>On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 9:06:45 AM UTC+2, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
>> Am Thu, 30 Jun 2022 13:23:02 -0700 (PDT) schrieb Lou Holtman
>> <lou.h...@gmail.com>:
>> >You don’t have to worry about me; up to now just 5800 km this year.
>> >Last ride yesterday, next ride tomorrow.
>> That's great. But most of what I read here is not about cycling, where
>> people ride, for what purpose, what they use while riding, what they see
>> doing it...
>>
>> Sure, this is .tech, but it is the last remaining working r.b. group,
>> there is not much context for talking tech, anymore.
>> --
>> Wir danken für die Beachtung aller Sicherheitsbestimmungen
>
>I pushed myself last Wednesday, so today I was 'allowed'
>a relaxed ride ;-) so I had the time to take some pictures along
>today's route, one of my 'Hausrundes'. While doing so one
>realize that you take a lot for granted but actually
>are blessed with nice cycling roads.
>Thanks for the reminder.

Most of the bike lanes and bike paths I notice on our tours are a curse,
not a blessing. We prefer real roads. Like this one, for example.

<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/20220703/DSC00067.jpg>

(Picture from today - well, yesterday :-)

<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pluspora/plainpostings/20220703t2223-home_routes_on_our_racing_bikes_2022_06_28_2022_07_03.html>


Or that one, from Februar.

<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/20220227/20220227_145407_HDR.jpg>



This is the road that goes past Effelsberg and the Effelsberg radio
telescope, the road at the bottom left on the map (blue track). I rode
there on Saturday, again.

From the linked post:

"This week I rode a total of 227 km, gaining/losing 2141 meters in
altitude

2022-06-28: 04:41:59 95.2 km 961 m up, 934 m down, 20.3 km/h

2022-07-02: 04:37:25 92.5 km 958 m up, 928 m down, 20.0 km/h
2022-07-03: 01:55:20 39.6 km 222 m up, 215 m down, 20.6 km/h

My wife and I rode 84 kilometers of it together, yesterday and today. I
already reported last months tour, here are a few photo impressions from
the last two rides."


>
>https://photos.app.goo.gl/A5e6efzoEPsvBe8G7


Thanks for sharing! Nice. It's certainly a question of taste, but on
vacation we usually chose areas that were a bit hillier than what we
have here when we ride out of the Rhine Valley. The landscape varies
more and so does riding your bike. On the other hand, we don't like
real mountain areas, for various reasons, too heavy for us, too few
supply options and accommodation.

[Sir Ridesalot]

On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 7:05:24 p.m. UTC-4, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Snipped

> Most of the bike lanes and bike paths I notice on our tours are a curse,
> not a blessing. We prefer real roads. Like this one, for example.

Snipped

Here in Ontario, Canada the majority of bicycle lanes are Door-Zone lanes. Then there are others that go part way onto the on-ramps for major highways and are a real hazard to any bicyclist foolish enough to ride in it. I take the through lane of traffic not a right hand turning lane or on-ramp lane.

Sometimes I think that bicycle lane planners are out to kill bicyclists. Why else would such dangerous designs be allowed and built?

Cheers

[John B.]

I thought that this had been discussed and the outcome was that bike
lanes make the cyclist feel safer and therefore increase the numbers
of bicyclists (:-)

Here we don't have bike lanes but we do have traffic laws that
everyone is supposed to obey and slower traffic is told to ride/drive
on the left side of the road so as not to impede faster traffic.

And I'd guess that on a per capita basis there may well be more
bicycles here then there (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

[AMuzi]

+1

[Frank Krygowski]

+1

- Frank Krygowski

[Wolfgang Strobl]

Am Mon, 04 Jul 2022 07:15:32 +0700 schrieb John B.
<sloc...@gmail.com>:

>On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 16:26:21 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
><i_am_cyc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 7:05:24 p.m. UTC-4, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
>>Snipped
>>> Most of the bike lanes and bike paths I notice on our tours are a curse,
>>> not a blessing. We prefer real roads. Like this one, for example.
>>Snipped
>>
>>Here in Ontario, Canada the majority of bicycle lanes are Door-Zone lanes. Then there are others that go part way onto the on-ramps for major highways and are a real hazard to any bicyclist foolish enough to ride in it. I take the through lane of traffic not a right hand turning lane or on-ramp lane.
>>
>>Sometimes I think that bicycle lane planners are out to kill bicyclists. Why else would such dangerous designs be allowed and built?
>>
>>Cheers
>
>I thought that this had been discussed and the outcome was that bike
>lanes make the cyclist feel safer and therefore increase the numbers
>of bicyclists (:-)

Thats like Opioids, these make a person feel good and therefore increase
the numbers of people buying these. The Sackler family got rich that
way.

>
>Here we don't have bike lanes but we do have traffic laws that
>everyone is supposed to obey and slower traffic is told to ride/drive
>on the left side of the road so as not to impede faster traffic.

Here in Germany, we have bike lanes and roadside bike paths, a large
part of it is mandatory. And even when they aren't, or when there's no
bike path in sight, some motorized traffic bullies will pretend there
are and behave accordingly.

For my local trips, I prefer rural areas that have been spared from
anything like this. Ditto for holiday destinations.

If there are no cycle paths in sight, cooperation works better. However,
cyclists who only ride on cycle lanes/paths lose the ability to ride a
vehicle safely, over time. Or they dont learn it to begin with. There
are cynics who claim that cycle paths were invented in Germany for
exactly that purpose.

[Wolfgang Strobl]

Am Sun, 3 Jul 2022 16:26:21 -0700 (PDT) schrieb Sir Ridesalot
<i_am_cyc...@yahoo.ca>:

>On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 7:05:24 p.m. UTC-4, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
>Snipped
>> Most of the bike lanes and bike paths I notice on our tours are a curse,
>> not a blessing. We prefer real roads. Like this one, for example.
>Snipped
>
>Here in Ontario, Canada the majority of bicycle lanes are Door-Zone lanes.

Same here in Germany, in most cities I visited. But those lanes which
are wider are no less cumbersome and dangerous, just in a different and
less obvious way.

>Then there are others that go part way onto the on-ramps for major
>highways and are a real hazard to any bicyclist foolish enough
>to ride in it.

Many of our major roads have hard shoulders to accommodate stranded
vehicles or farm traffic. Where there are no driveways and if they are
paved like the road, you can sometimes cycle on them in sections. The
disadvantage that they pick up dirt and are patchwork remains. I prefer
to avoid them. Cycling on on-ramps, when you want to go straight is an
absurdity.

>I take the through lane of traffic not a right hand turning lane or on-ramp lane.

+1

>
>Sometimes I think that bicycle lane planners are out to kill bicyclists.

Hanlon's razor. Never attribute to malice that which is adequately
explained by stupidity.

>Why else would such dangerous designs be allowed and built?

Well, about 30 years ago I was asked to become an active member of the
German bicycling club ADFC of our district, and so did. What I learnt
was

- Clueless cyclists want bike lanes

- A bike club doesn't gain members by telling potential members what
they don't want to hear

- There wasn't any knowledge about how to ride fast and safely in
traffic around the other active members

- There was no engineering or traffic science knowledge in the club
from which one could have learned, at every level of the organization

After noticing that most of past activity consisted of doing some
cosmetics on what the city administration wanted and then selling it to
the members, I studied what was available in the scientific literature,
traffic science, specific for cycling. Didn't find much. Road design was
solid, but the practical part of traffic science treated cyclists as a
kind of pesty pedestrian on wheels, if at all.

After I while I came to conclusions similar to what John Forester
published in his two books, a rudimentary version of the reasons behind
"effective cycling". I only came across the books and their author later
and don't share all of his views, for example on bicycle helmets, but
the essential stuff is solid. Similar with John Franklin (Cyclecraft),
I also noticed and read him only later.

The really interesting experience, however, was that nobody who made
transport policy in the club knew these people or was at all interested
in the question of whether what was being demanded was also beneficial
for cycling, and for what reason.

As far as I can tell from the outside, the club hasn't changed its modus
operandi over the years, it's actually gotten worse in that it blatantly
wants to import the "Dutch" or Copenhagen model. It's called populism.

We, my family and I canceled our club membership one or two years later.

[John B.]

I don't know why but I've been bicycling in Thailand for about 25
years and had almost no "close calls". Partly, I think, because the
law here states that slower traffic shall drive on the left side of
the road so as not to impede faster traffic, and this is interpreted
to include bicycles and small - 50cc - 100cc - motorcycles of which
there are a great many here. Which means that driving down the highway
it is not unusual at all to see slower vehicles on the left edge of
the road, which is also where large trucks drive (:-)

Another point is that as a general rule the larger vehicle in an
accident is deemed, pending other evidence, to be at fault, so if an
auto were to hit a bicycle the initial question asked by the Police is
"Why did you hit him?" This is not to say that the Police won't
question all involved before preferring charges but the initial
attitude is "why did the car hit the bicycle?" Which seems to make a
difference (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Tom Kunich]

You may rest assured that if we had roads like that here I would be the first to ride on them. Skyline Blvd has houses along it but I have never seen cars coming or going from any of them. But the four lane divided road is a continuous stream of traffic. Riding a bicycle on this road is interesting since most of the traffic will drive in the right lane instead of the safe middle lane. This puts them directly adjacent to the bicycles which ride on this hill road. Eventually there is a road that drops down to a freeway entrance and the traffic largely disappears, but there is still far too much traffic on this road that becomes broken asphalt with large cracks in it and 12% grades in one place,. So while bikes are struggling up this climb cars are coming by. Now that wouldn't bother me but often they do it where there is blind road ahead and someone coming the other way forces these drivers into the bikes since the road is too narrow there for a bike lane. The majority of drivers at least make an attempt to be polite, but you can't pass bikes on blind turns and be polite.

Across the canyon is Redwood Rd. This road is actually the long way to go anywhere so I am quite surprised that cars are passing every minute or so and since this road has many turns on it, almost all of them are passing you on blind turns. If it isn't easy to pass on a sharp turn somehow it is your fault and they will cut by you as close as they can get almost hitting you with their side mirror. Things are a LOT different riding a bike here.

[Tom Kunich]

Here they have been in continuous experimentation with what bike lanes work and what do not. But they never seem to arrive at an answer. The next sequence of bike lanes are liable to be entirely different,

[Tom Kunich]

There is the occasional quiet road around here and they are a joy to ride on. But the so-called Pandemic has destroyed all of the small businesses along them so that there are no more places to stop. This was done quite purposely and then these areas are all bought up by Bill Gates who is now one of the largest landholders outside of the US Government in the USA.

[Tom Kunich]

On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 2:01:18 AM UTC-7, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:

Freeways here are for motorized traffic only capable of at least 55 mph but we also have highways which allow all traffic or at least did. Now they are so heavily used that they are death traps for bicyclists and we are stuck using side roads for riding.

[Frank Krygowski]

I've wondered how the differences between cultures affect bicycling
among motor vehicles. I picked up my skills gradually (with help from
John Forester) in two different U.S. states. I've found that the same
techniques worked pretty well all across the U.S. and in most of where
we traveled in western Europe. I did think that drivers in Tallinn,
Estonia seemed pretty aggressive, as did BMW and Audi drivers in Poland.
But i had no real close calls and very few unpleasant experiences.

I can report a couple _very_ aggressive "Get in a bike lane!" shouts in
the purported paradise of Portland. But those were rare.

I know nothing of places with markedly different culture - Thailand,
Mexico, India, South America etc. And I don't even know whether to count
places like Australia as "markedly different culture."

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Frank Krygowski]

Tom can't enter a discussion for five minutes without turning it into a
right wing rant.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[AMuzi]

There are marked differences in neighborhoods in that some
streets/roads move in different patterns/speeds and probably
with a different driver attitude ( brisk commuting route vs
local errands). Even those differences are different on
weekdays/weekends and mid morning vs late evening. Hard to
generalize.

[Tom Kunich]

In the bay area here, if you're riding in the rich areas you have to be extremely careful since they have the attitude of "Get the F out of my way". Even on slow back streets where you'd expect them to be careful of cars pulling out of driveways.

[Lou Holtman]

You showing nice empty roads and certainly prefer these roads over bike paths, but living close to the German border (Nord Rhein Westfalen) I ride quite a lot in Germany and I can assure you that the Bundes- oder LandesStrasse are not always empty and in most cases quite busy. In that case I prefer our empty bike paths with good asphalt like I showed in some of my pictures. These a far from a curse, that is snobbish nonsense.

> >
> >https://photos.app.goo.gl/A5e6efzoEPsvBe8G7
>
>
> Thanks for sharing! Nice. It's certainly a question of taste, but on
> vacation we usually chose areas that were a bit hillier than what we
> have here when we ride out of the Rhine Valley. The landscape varies
> more and so does riding your bike. On the other hand, we don't like
> real mountain areas, for various reasons, too heavy for us, too few
> supply options and accommodation.

I have no choice Rundum Hause. For hills I have to go to Zuid Limburg (70 km away) or to the Ardennes (90 km away) or to the Eiffel (90-100 km away). Not something you do on you Abend Runde after work.
>

Lou

[Lou Holtman]

Oh BTW bike paths in Germany are terrible and the quality of the small farm roads is terrible compared to The Netherlands.

Lou

[Tom Kunich]

We used to take the unpaved bike paths here simply because the roads were so badly paved that the gravel paths actually felt smoother. Riding from my home to Palo Alto which is an 85 km round trip the trip out early in the morning would be fairly safe but on the way back the traffic would be dangerous so we would take some gravel trails to the back roads where traffic would be fairly light.

Once in awhile when I was training for a Century, I would ride to Palo Alto on the east side of the bay and then ride back on the west side of the bay into San Francisco where I could catch the rapid transit back to my home. This would be 64 miles on the bike and for some reason all of the traffic on the west side of the bay stays off of the back roads which it doesn't do on the east side. Taking the easiest route could put you into San Francisco I believe on 3rd St. Some of that could be quite dangerous with heavy and fast traffic but most of it was OK and you could get a fairly safe ride into downtown The section which have the Trolley cars in the middle of the street were pretty much OK because the cars would use other streets to avoid being blocked by the street cars.

But I suppose living around any highly populated area would be fairly similar. The pictures I've seen of cars and bikes mixing in Holland didn't look in the least safe to me. But people seemed to be used to that sort of thing as i am around here.

[Wolfgang Strobl]

Am Mon, 4 Jul 2022 10:18:58 -0700 (PDT) schrieb Lou Holtman
<lou.h...@gmail.com>:

>You showing nice empty roads and certainly prefer these
>roads over bike paths, but living close to the German border
>(Nord Rhein Westfalen) I ride quite a lot in Germany and I
>can assure you that the Bundes- oder LandesStrasse are not
>always empty and in most cases quite busy.

I probably didn't make it clear enough that I wasn't showing my commute
here, but long rides I now have the time for, because I retired years
ago. Of course I prefer those nice and mostly empty roads, after leaving
the city on roads that are more crowded than they where, decades ago.

For decades my commute was a route in heavy traffic at rush hour, right
through the city, across the Rhine, through another part of the city and
then up a hill into the country.

Initially I was a fan of bike lanes and joined the ADFC to promote
better bike lanes instead of the dangerous crap we still have - and you
also have in the Netherlands if you look closely enough around those
showcases. I was young and naive, if taht's an excuse.

It took me years to gradually avoid the detours via cycle paths and
instead choose the more comfortable and safer direct connections via the
main roads and to understand why cycle paths don't make cycling faster
and safer, but slow and dangerous.

Having avoided that "infrastructure" like the proverbial plague, all
that remained was conflicts caused by motorists noticing some cycling
path or lane, independent of whether those exist or just are imagined.
We call the "Revierschutzverhalten", territorial protection behavior.

>In that case I
>prefer our empty bike paths with good asphalt like I showed
>in some of my pictures.

Natural barriers such as rivers and coasts, as well as unnatural
barriers such as motorways, make cycling attractive for short journeys
and driving for longer journeys. That is a good description of the
Netherlands and almost all showcases of cycle routes.

There are sparsely populated flat areas too, where people used to drive
to with Dutch bikes on the car luggage rack, only to ride around there
on bike paths that are sometimes empty, sometimes overcrowded. Why do
people do that? The do so because they are afraid of people of their own
kind in the car and disdain cyclist on "their roads". Now those people
drive mobile homes and carry e-bikes on the rear luggage rack.

Those with Dutch license plates seem to have more problems with cyclists
than others. I experienced that here, but also recently observed it in
France. N data, just an anecdote, of course.

Those people are still a minority. Most people around here, independent
of nationality, just drive their car or ride their bike and share the
roads. That's great!

You can't just build cycle paths everywhere because there isn't enough
space and because the more important traffic always has priority, i.e.
it got all the good space, doesn't have to take unnecessary detours and
can compensate them by faster driving, anyway. Car traffic is the more
important traffic in the Netherlands, too. Look at the freeways.

(From another post)

> Oh BTW bike paths in Germany are terrible and the quality
> of the small farm roads is terrible compared to The Netherlands.

Unfortunately - or fortunately, for various reasons - most of Germany
and Europe aren't that flat and that small. Transplanting the Dutch
model of cycling as cycling in pedestrian zones or as an amusement park
on the coast produces exactly the bad crap you criticize for NRW. And
almost everywhere else.

One of my sons sometimes uses the Ruhr's flagship cycle path, preferably
at times when no one else is using it, especially no pedestrians. But
the RS1 is ideal for running, he says.

[Lou Holtman]

That is an incoherent story. Doesn't make any sense to me.

Lou

[Tom Kunich]

https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMjECeE3WEA_RiE3_iv9QsaAScXtg3MY2UPJzju
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipPJRgdNvAHqNle1zGMACrRIlnw_TY10U3XX4KC5

This was the 1100 foot mark of yesterday's ride. 20 miles after we hit the 900 foot mark and then descended back to near sea level. Lousy riding weather though we finally got mostly back to were there was a coffee shop. An iced Vietnamese coffee and an apple turnover that at one time of another had an apple waved over it made the final 3 miles better.

The intention had been to go to Moraga but I was told that Pinehurst Road was closed though it didn't look that way. Perhaps they meant Valley road that is a two mile stretch from Pinehurst to Moraga. Last time I went that way the road was so bad that they put a stop light at the small bridge which had been reduced to one lane though that didn't stop tractor-trailers from taking that road that was entirely inadequate for heavy vehicles. You would think that signs stating "No Trucks" would be enough. But not when they're using Google Maps set for "autos"

[Frank Krygowski]

On 7/6/2022 12:43 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
>
> https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMjECeE3WEA_RiE3_iv9QsaAScXtg3MY2UPJzju
> https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipPJRgdNvAHqNle1zGMACrRIlnw_TY10U3XX4KC5
>
> This was the 1100 foot mark of yesterday's ride.

Nope. 404 errors.

Tom has SO many problems!


--
- Frank Krygowski

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 09:43:53 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMjECeE3WEA_RiE3_iv9QsaAScXtg3MY2UPJzju
>https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipPJRgdNvAHqNle1zGMACrRIlnw_TY10U3XX4KC5

404. That’s an error.
The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.

--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

[Tom Kunich]

On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 10:18:12 AM UTC-7, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 09:43:53 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMjECeE3WEA_RiE3_iv9QsaAScXtg3MY2UPJzju
> >https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipPJRgdNvAHqNle1zGMACrRIlnw_TY10U3XX4KC5
> 404. That’s an error.
> The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.

What's it to you anyway?

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 11:28:51 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich

<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 10:18:12 AM UTC-7, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 09:43:53 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMjECeE3WEA_RiE3_iv9QsaAScXtg3MY2UPJzju
>> >https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipPJRgdNvAHqNle1zGMACrRIlnw_TY10U3XX4KC5
>> 404. That’s an error.
>> The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.

>What's it to you anyway?

1. It demonstrates that you don't verify the URL's you post are
functional.
2. If verifies that you don't know how to use Google Photos. However,
that's not a problem because you're still learning.
3. It's a courtesy notification that you've made a mistake that
should be corrected if you want people to see your photos.
4. It provides you for the attention that you crave.
5. It demonstrates that at least 2 people (Frank and I) read your
postings.
6. It provides you with something new to complain about.

[Ralph Barone]

Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 11:28:51 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 10:18:12 AM UTC-7, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 09:43:53 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMjECeE3WEA_RiE3_iv9QsaAScXtg3MY2UPJzju
>>>> https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipPJRgdNvAHqNle1zGMACrRIlnw_TY10U3XX4KC5
>>> 404. That’s an error.
>>> The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.
>
>> What's it to you anyway?
>
> 1. It demonstrates that you don't verify the URL's you post are
> functional.
> 2. If verifies that you don't know how to use Google Photos. However,
> that's not a problem because you're still learning.
> 3. It's a courtesy notification that you've made a mistake that
> should be corrected if you want people to see your photos.
> 4. It provides you for the attention that you crave.
> 5. It demonstrates that at least 2 people (Frank and I) read your
> postings.
> 6. It provides you with something new to complain about.
>
>

In Tom’s defence, I’m sure the URLs would work fine if you were logged onto
Google Photos as Tom Kunich. Posting pictures to non-binary newsgroups IS
a pain in the ass.

[Tom Kunich]

Damned if I can figure out how to post those pictures correctly. It took me an hour to get that one picture of my membership card to post and I notice that the people that are complaining never post any pictures themselves.

[Tom Kunich]

https://photos.app.goo.gl/vHbBL8XyPafCGr5F8
https://photos.app.goo.gl/gYZdmNhRGcMhXBBU7

Let's see if that works.

[Tom Kunich]

On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 11:58:44 AM UTC-7, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 11:28:51 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 10:18:12 AM UTC-7, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 09:43:53 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMjECeE3WEA_RiE3_iv9QsaAScXtg3MY2UPJzju
> >> >https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipPJRgdNvAHqNle1zGMACrRIlnw_TY10U3XX4KC5
> >> 404. That’s an error.
> >> The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.
>
> >What's it to you anyway?
> 1. It demonstrates that you don't verify the URL's you post are
> functional.
> 2. If verifies that you don't know how to use Google Photos. However,
> that's not a problem because you're still learning.
> 3. It's a courtesy notification that you've made a mistake that
> should be corrected if you want people to see your photos.
> 4. It provides you for the attention that you crave.
> 5. It demonstrates that at least 2 people (Frank and I) read your
> postings.
> 6. It provides you with something new to complain about.

I will ask you again - why are you posting one a bicycle group when you don't ride a bicycle. Is it just as a courtesy to offend the other members?

[Tom Kunich]

It is now after 2:30 and the sun has finally come out. It must be that global warming I hear so much about from people that don't know anything about it. This last winter was the largest and deepest ice pack in the Arctic since the 70's - before the CO2 levels had started to rise. This present winter in the Antarctic has just recorded the coldest temperatures ever recorded. Across the USA which is the only country to have a good long term weather record, there has been no records set of any value. One hot day in nowhere Texas does not qualify as anything.

It would be something if this was an exception to the rule, but it has been the total NORM for the last 30 years. How did Michael Mann manage to convince anyone that CO2 had any effect whatsoever on the climate? We do know and have email records of him and his team saying that since they weren't showing any warming that they should change the record to show it. That would be a laugh if a month or two later, NASA didn't do exactly that. But they and NOAA have started to get the word from real scientists and have reversed the phony "trend". It finally started getting through to them that they will be fired for their lies and no one in the entire world will touch them. Imagine going from top NOAA scientist to being unemployable. The worm has turned.

Today is nothing more than another cold day in a cold summer. Tomorrow will be just like today. Hopefully the present front will move through fast enough that we can get some descent summer weather this year.

Now get this - EVEN the EPA has stopped lying, they see a sharp turnabout on the political front and have returned to telling the truth - 6 or 7 hurricanes occur each year in the Atlantic and two on the average make landfall of some sort in the USA. This signals a sharp turn against the lies that the left has been perpetrating for the last 14 years.

I'm waiting for the sharp turnaround of the FBI when they realize that they are going to be cleaned out by a new government intending to tell the people the truth. Maybe the mess that Biden has gotten us into will turn out to be the signal to cut everyone that cooperated with the left out of government for good. John might be able to stop worrying that they will cut his military retirement just in time for his heart to stop beating.

[Frank Krygowski]

And Tom would have known that, if only he were competent with internet
matters.

> Posting pictures to non-binary newsgroups IS
> a pain in the ass.

And yet SO many people here have managed to succeed! If only one person
regularly fails, what does that tell you about his intelligence and
competence?


--
- Frank Krygowski

[Frank Krygowski]

On 7/6/2022 4:44 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
>
> Damned if I can figure out how to post those pictures correctly.

We know, Tom. There are piles of things your can't figure out. Your
posts are evidence of many of them.

> It took me an hour to get that one picture of my membership card to post and I notice that the people that are complaining never post any pictures themselves.

???

I've posted many photos. Jeff has posted more. Andrew posts a lot of
them. Wolfgang does the same, Lou does the same. Hell, even Jute manages
from time to time.

You're the bottom of the class yet again.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

Wow. Drought looks bad in California. Dead brown grass everywhere. Grass is green and ankle high here. Corn is head high already. But Tommy says there is no drought in California. Tommy says it rains every day and the water is too abundant.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 19:52:04 -0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
<ra...@invalid.com> wrote:

>Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 11:28:51 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 10:18:12 AM UTC-7, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 09:43:53 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMjECeE3WEA_RiE3_iv9QsaAScXtg3MY2UPJzju
>>>>> https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipPJRgdNvAHqNle1zGMACrRIlnw_TY10U3XX4KC5

>>>> 404. That?s an error.
>>>> The requested URL was not found on this server. That?s all we know.

>>
>>> What's it to you anyway?
>>
>> 1. It demonstrates that you don't verify the URL's you post are
>> functional.
>> 2. If verifies that you don't know how to use Google Photos. However,
>> that's not a problem because you're still learning.
>> 3. It's a courtesy notification that you've made a mistake that
>> should be corrected if you want people to see your photos.
>> 4. It provides you for the attention that you crave.
>> 5. It demonstrates that at least 2 people (Frank and I) read your
>> postings.
>> 6. It provides you with something new to complain about.

>In Tom’s defence, I’m sure the URLs would work fine if you were logged onto
>Google Photos as Tom Kunich. Posting pictures to non-binary newsgroups IS
>a pain in the ass.

True. However, I don't think that Tom would be willing to post his
Google login and password so that everyone could see his photos. Also,
he did NOT post any photos to the newsgroup. Those would need to go
to a newsgroup that allows binary attachments. I'm lazy and just post
them to my web site or using Google Photos.

What Tom had missed was to share the selected photos. Here's my
version of the instructions for sharing ONE photo:
1. Go thee unto: <https://photos.google.com>
2. Find the photo or photos you want to share with everyone.
3. Move the mouse to the upper-left corner of the photo and click the
check mark. The check mark will turn blue.
4. When you've selected everything you want to share, click the
"Share" icon in the upper right of the page.
5. Click on "Create Link" icon. Read what appears in the box and
then click the blue "Create Link" button.
6. Google will create and highlight a unique link for all the checked
photos. Copy this link to the clipboard. (ctrl-c on Windoze). Save
this link as it is difficult to recover.
7. Open a new browser window, paste the link in the URL box, and
display the photo in the browser.
8. Click the 3 vertical dots in the upper right of the window.
9. Select "Options"
10. Slide to the right (turn on) "Link sharing" which lets anyone with
the link see photos and people in this album.
11. Check the "Comments & likes. Let others respond" if you want
others add their comments to your photo.
12. To test if it works, logout of Google or switch to another Google
account. Go to the URL you previously saved and see if the photo
appears. If you get 404, you did something wrong.
13. If you want one URL to point to multiple photos, create a new
"Album", add the photos your want displayed, and then share the album
instead of the single photo.

I've been doing this for years, so I forgot what a PITA Google can
make things. As I recall, it took me many tries before I got it
working.

Also, adding a title and annotation to a photo is tricky.
1. Go thee unto: <https://photos.google.com>
2. Display a photo.
3. Select the "i" for info icon in upper right.
4. Add a title or notation on the "Add a description" line.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

Isn't there some saying about those with eyes not seeing? Applies to Tommy boy.
https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/lake-mead-nears-dead-pool-status-water-levels-hit-another-historic-low-rcna34733
https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2022/05/04/lake-powell-water-level-feds-announce-help-glen-canyon-dam-hydropower/
https://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/megadrought-southwestern-north-america
"Thanks to the region’s high temperatures and low precipitation levels from summer 2020 through summer 2021, the current drought has exceeded the severity of a late-1500s megadrought that previously had been identified as the driest such drought in the 1,200 years that the scientists studied."
Driest in 1200 years. Hmmm.

Despite Tommy boy claiming California is overflowing with rain and water, its in the worst drought ever.


As for Antarctica, well...
https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/antarctica-temperature-record/?gclid=Cj0KCQjw5ZSWBhCVARIsALERCvxi_iUK6E4KDcaYOR3Kw9EnxsjMEt5ubAd6fW7ZjgQFvY_drMGrKlEaAkIJEALw_wcB
This one is now 2.5 years old.
https://www.ktvu.com/news/temperatures-in-antarctica-reach-70-degrees-warmer-than-normal
This one is from March 2022.
"Earth’s poles are undergoing simultaneous freakish extreme heat with parts of Antarctica more than 70 degrees (40 degrees Celsius) warmer than average and areas of the Arctic more than 50 degrees (30 degrees Celsius) warmer than average."

> It would be something if this was an exception to the rule, but it has been the total NORM for the last 30 years.

Why has California been in a drought for 22 consecutive years?

> How did Michael Mann manage to convince anyone that CO2 had any effect whatsoever on the climate? We do know and have email records of him and his team saying that since they weren't showing any warming that they should change the record to show it. That would be a laugh if a month or two later, NASA didn't do exactly that. But they and NOAA have started to get the word from real scientists and have reversed the phony "trend". It finally started getting through to them that they will be fired for their lies and no one in the entire world will touch them. Imagine going from top NOAA scientist to being unemployable. The worm has turned.
>
> Today is nothing more than another cold day in a cold summer. Tomorrow will be just like today. Hopefully the present front will move through fast enough that we can get some descent summer weather this year.
>
> Now get this - EVEN the EPA has stopped lying, they see a sharp turnabout on the political front and have returned to telling the truth - 6 or 7 hurricanes occur each year in the Atlantic and two on the average make landfall of some sort in the USA. This signals a sharp turn against the lies that the left has been perpetrating for the last 14 years.

There has been an upturn in the number of storms and hurricanes in the last several decades.
https://www.statista.com/chart/11009/hurricanes-over-the-atlantic-basin/
https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-tropical-cyclone-activity

Here is average temperature in the lower 48 US states. Above average for the past 20 years or so.
https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-us-and-global-temperature
This is for each season. All four seasons above average temperature for the past couple decades.
https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-seasonal-temperature

>
> I'm waiting for the sharp turnaround of the FBI when they realize that they are going to be cleaned out by a new government intending to tell the people the truth. Maybe the mess that Biden has gotten us into will turn out to be the signal to cut everyone that cooperated with the left out of government for good. John might be able to stop worrying that they will cut his military retirement just in time for his heart to stop beating.

Tommy, why do you lie so much, all the time?

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 13:54:51 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>I will ask you again - why are you posting one a bicycle group when you don't ride a bicycle. Is it just as a courtesy to offend the other members?

How does my not riding a bicycle offend other members? As far as I
can tell, the only person I'm offending is you and possibly Andre. Why
does it bother you that I don't ride a bicycle? Is it because you're
afraid of ending up in my medical situation?

If it makes you feel worse, I've gone for a few short rides recently.
No problems except for a slight lower back (muscle) ache. A week ago,
we finished re-paving the road. Some photos:
<https://photos.app.goo.gl/U4cn1ZuMnepBBm9B9>
There's something for every type of ride. Smooth asphalt, gravel,
base rock, pot holes, sand, stream crossing, hills, etc. I haven't
measured the length of the loop yet but my guess(tm) is about 2,000
ft. About two months ago, I finally received permission from my
doctor to "go kill yourself if you want" which I presume means I'm
safe to ride. I don't expect to roll back the clock and become even a
mediocre bicycle rider, but it's a start.

[John B.]

What Tommy seems to be forecasting is what Germany experienced in the
early 1930's, the election of a strong leader and the destruction of
government offices that might restrict his rule.

What he fails to realize is that the easiest way to "balance the
budget" would be to eliminate the welfare payments to the old, worn
out, useless, portion of the population.

Remember that the Jews in Germany, in the 1930's, believed that, "It
will never happen".
--
Cheers,

John B.

[pH]

I know it takes a long time to do all this typing, thank-you for taking
the time to give us a snapshot of the way it is in your cycling world.

This was a good read.

pH in Aptos, CA

[John B.]

On Wed, 06 Jul 2022 17:24:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 13:54:51 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
><cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I will ask you again - why are you posting one a bicycle group when you don't ride a bicycle. Is it just as a courtesy to offend the other members?
>
>How does my not riding a bicycle offend other members? As far as I
>can tell, the only person I'm offending is you and possibly Andre. Why
>does it bother you that I don't ride a bicycle? Is it because you're
>afraid of ending up in my medical situation?
>
>If it makes you feel worse, I've gone for a few short rides recently.
>No problems except for a slight lower back (muscle) ache. A week ago,
>we finished re-paving the road. Some photos:
><https://photos.app.goo.gl/U4cn1ZuMnepBBm9B9>
>There's something for every type of ride. Smooth asphalt, gravel,
>base rock, pot holes, sand, stream crossing, hills, etc. I haven't
>measured the length of the loop yet but my guess(tm) is about 2,000
>ft. About two months ago, I finally received permission from my
>doctor to "go kill yourself if you want" which I presume means I'm
>safe to ride. I don't expect to roll back the clock and become even a
>mediocre bicycle rider, but it's a start.

My goodness.... There's Tommy who can't seem to post photos and Good
Old Jeff who posts a whole page of them.

Does this indicate that Tommy is an incompetent? Or that Jeff is super
effective?

Probably the first explanation is the correct one (:-)
After all a cockroach is super effective when compared with our very
own Tommy.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[AMuzi]

The Venezuelans didn't think so either.
Or Hong Kong residents for that matter.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[John B.]

The Hong Kong thing is sort of foolish. After all it is basically what
they had under the British rule. An elected "Assembly" with limited
powers and a "Governor" appointed by the ruling authority.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 08:12:50 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 06 Jul 2022 17:24:03 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 13:54:51 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>><cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I will ask you again - why are you posting one a bicycle group when you don't ride a bicycle. Is it just as a courtesy to offend the other members?
>>
>>How does my not riding a bicycle offend other members? As far as I
>>can tell, the only person I'm offending is you and possibly Andre. Why
>>does it bother you that I don't ride a bicycle? Is it because you're
>>afraid of ending up in my medical situation?
>>
>>If it makes you feel worse, I've gone for a few short rides recently.
>>No problems except for a slight lower back (muscle) ache. A week ago,
>>we finished re-paving the road. Some photos:
>><https://photos.app.goo.gl/U4cn1ZuMnepBBm9B9>
>>There's something for every type of ride. Smooth asphalt, gravel,
>>base rock, pot holes, sand, stream crossing, hills, etc. I haven't
>>measured the length of the loop yet but my guess(tm) is about 2,000
>>ft. About two months ago, I finally received permission from my
>>doctor to "go kill yourself if you want" which I presume means I'm
>>safe to ride. I don't expect to roll back the clock and become even a
>>mediocre bicycle rider, but it's a start.

>My goodness.... There's Tommy who can't seem to post photos and Good
>Old Jeff who posts a whole page of them.

As usual, the devil is in the details. I didn't power my disorganized
mess of photos for Tom. I posted it a day after the road work was
done so that the neighbors could see what they got for their money and
at the request of a few that evacuated for the duration of the
construction. The photos cover Jackson Ave and part of Dundee Ave. I
didn't get photos of the rest of Dundee because the paving company ran
out of asphalt and delayed everything a full day. I never expected to
post it to RBT.

I don't blame Tom for not being able to post a proper URL to his two
photos. I had the same difficulty deciphering Google's instructions
when I first learned how many years ago. To make it easier for Tom, I
posted my version of the instructions with details elsewhere in this
thread. However, Tom was able to figure it out without my assistance.
Tom has many faults, but this is not one of them.

>Does this indicate that Tommy is an incompetent? Or that Jeff is super
>effective?
>Probably the first explanation is the correct one (:-)

No. It illustrates that Google made a mess of the user interface for
Google Photos. When I first got Google Photos to work, I had to do
quite a bit of searching with Google search to find the answer, not
from Google or some expert, but rather from a user.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

Jeff, you should post instructions for Tommy on how to make such a nice gallery of pictures, like you did for your road construction. Then Tommy could show us all of the beyond category mountains he climbs and pictures of the pathetic racer boys as they struggle in his shadow.
:-) :-) :-)

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

In theory, on paper, it may be similar for Hong Kong to what they had under the British. But I doubt under British rule they worried too much whether tomorrow the ruling authority was going to invade the island city and exterminate every single person. Analogy time!!!! Back in the 1800s in the great USA, we had slavery. Texas Republicans call this Involuntary Relocation. I'm sure some masters beat, whipped, and branded their slaves. And other masters fed, clothed, and treated their slaves "well". Now they were still slaves under both masters. But some slaves had it better than other slaves. During WW2, Germany had prisoners at Auschwitz. Japan had the Bataan Death March. USA had its Japanese Internment Camps. All were prisoners. But they weren't equal.

[John B.]

On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 21:35:40 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"

Whatever are you going on about - invade the city and exterminate
everyone?

The current discord came about because Hong Kong was still using laws
that were in force in British days, when the country was legally
British property, particularly one that stated that there was no
extradition from the city to mainland China. Given that Hong Kong is
now, legally, a Chinese city that is like Washington D.C. deciding
that they won't allow extradition of criminals to Maryland.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[AMuzi]

That is the Party Line, not representative of actual facts.
In fact the CCP chooses the candidates and 'disappears'
opposition figures.

Mr Lai is one of thousands:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56770567

But let's see how the population thinks:
https://thebl.tv/china/over-80-of-hong-kong-residents-intend-to-emigrate-survey.html

Same as Venezuela or East Germany in the Soviet era

[AMuzi]

On 7/6/2022 11:35 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 9:17:32 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Wed, 06 Jul 2022 20:52:30 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/6/2022 7:35 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 17:12:39 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>>>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 5:21:07 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 1:50:33 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 1:44:53 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 12:52:08 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 11:28:51 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>>>>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 10:18:12 AM UTC-7, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 09:43:53 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>>>>>>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMjECeE3WEA_RiE3_iv9QsaAScXtg3MY2UPJzju
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipPJRgdNvAHqNle1zGMACrRIlnw_TY10U3XX4KC5

>>>>>>>>>>>> 404. That’s an error.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.

>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What's it to you anyway?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1. It demonstrates that you don't verify the URL's you post are
>>>>>>>>>> functional.
>>>>>>>>>> 2. If verifies that you don't know how to use Google Photos. However,
>>>>>>>>>> that's not a problem because you're still learning.
>>>>>>>>>> 3. It's a courtesy notification that you've made a mistake that
>>>>>>>>>> should be corrected if you want people to see your photos.
>>>>>>>>>> 4. It provides you for the attention that you crave.
>>>>>>>>>> 5. It demonstrates that at least 2 people (Frank and I) read your
>>>>>>>>>> postings.
>>>>>>>>>> 6. It provides you with something new to complain about.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> In Tom’s defence, I’m sure the URLs would work fine if you were logged onto

>>>>>>>>> Google Photos as Tom Kunich. Posting pictures to non-binary newsgroups IS
>>>>>>>>> a pain in the ass.
>>>>>>>> Damned if I can figure out how to post those pictures correctly. It took me an hour to get that one picture of my membership card to post and I notice that the people that are complaining never post any pictures themselves.
>>>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/vHbBL8XyPafCGr5F8
>>>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/gYZdmNhRGcMhXBBU7
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let's see if that works.
>>>>>> It is now after 2:30 and the sun has finally come out. It must be that global warming I hear so much about from people that don't know anything about it. This last winter was the largest and deepest ice pack in the Arctic since the 70's - before the CO2 levels had started to rise. This present winter in the Antarctic has just recorded the coldest temperatures ever recorded. Across the USA which is the only country to have a good long term weather record, there has been no records set of any value. One hot day in nowhere Texas does not qualify as anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Isn't there some saying about those with eyes not seeing? Applies to Tommy boy.
>>>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/lake-mead-nears-dead-pool-status-water-levels-hit-another-historic-low-rcna34733
>>>>> https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2022/05/04/lake-powell-water-level-feds-announce-help-glen-canyon-dam-hydropower/
>>>>> https://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/megadrought-southwestern-north-america

>>>>> "Thanks to the region’s high temperatures and low precipitation levels from summer 2020 through summer 2021, the current drought has exceeded the severity of a late-1500s megadrought that previously had been identified as the driest such drought in the 1,200 years that the scientists studied."

>>>>> Driest in 1200 years. Hmmm.
>>>>>
>>>>> Despite Tommy boy claiming California is overflowing with rain and water, its in the worst drought ever.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As for Antarctica, well...
>>>>> https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/antarctica-temperature-record/?gclid=Cj0KCQjw5ZSWBhCVARIsALERCvxi_iUK6E4KDcaYOR3Kw9EnxsjMEt5ubAd6fW7ZjgQFvY_drMGrKlEaAkIJEALw_wcB
>>>>> This one is now 2.5 years old.
>>>>> https://www.ktvu.com/news/temperatures-in-antarctica-reach-70-degrees-warmer-than-normal
>>>>> This one is from March 2022.

>>>>> "Earth’s poles are undergoing simultaneous freakish extreme heat with parts of Antarctica more than 70 degrees (40 degrees Celsius) warmer than average and areas of the Arctic more than 50 degrees (30 degrees Celsius) warmer than average."

+1.

On the subject of theory v practice, see the 1936 Soviet
Constitution, which describes Eden incarnate. On paper.

[AMuzi]

Extrajudicial extraction to CCP prison and torture under
cover of 'extradition' is different from the regular
cross-jurisdictional treatment of common criminals by treaty
and statute:

https://lawyersforlawyers.org/en/ongoing-concerns-on-the-situation-in-hong-kong-and-the-independence-of-the-bar-association/

https://www.nchrd.org/2022/05/no-end-in-sight-to-chinas-prolonged-opaque-extralegal-detentions/

[Frank Krygowski]

On 7/6/2022 9:12 PM, John B. wrote:
>
>
> My goodness.... There's Tommy who can't seem to post photos and Good
> Old Jeff who posts a whole page of them.
>
> Does this indicate that Tommy is an incompetent? Or that Jeff is super
> effective?

Those two conditions aren't mutually exclusive. I'd vote for "both."


--
- Frank Krygowski

[Frank Krygowski]

On 7/6/2022 11:07 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
> I don't blame Tom for not being able to post a proper URL to his two

> photos. ... It illustrates that Google made a mess of the user interface for
> Google Photos.

I've found Flickr useful for posting links to photos. It may be easier
for some.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 21:21:13 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
<ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Jeff, you should post instructions for Tommy on how to make such a nice gallery of pictures, like you did for your road construction. Then Tommy could show us all of the beyond category mountains he climbs and pictures of the pathetic racer boys as they struggle in his shadow.
>:-) :-) :-)

That's why I provided instructions. I want to see visual proof of his
accomplishments. Amazing adventures are nice, but Strava is a more
appropriate place to post those. I think this is Tom's account:
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/27432450>

What I want to see is Tom's work in progress, such as his mix and
match component problems, shifter cable problems, defective
components, bicycle stable, tools, etc. Maybe when he gets his HP
6310 AIO print/fax/scan/shred machine working, he can scan in photos
of some of his amazing past adventures. I'll do what I can to help
make that happen.

A photo gallery is quite easy in Google Photos. The only thing
different is that I created an "Album", dumped a bunch of photos into
the album, and "shared" the album. Finding where to add annotations
and titles was a bit of a challenge, but Tom's not there yet.

I use Google Photos when I'm in a hurry or need something temporary.
For everything else, I use jAlbum:
<https://jalbum.net> ($49)
<https://jalbum.net/en/samples>
I've been using jAlbum since 2005. At some point, I stopped upgrading
to the latest version to save money. About 3 years ago, I decided to
catch up, upgrade and rebuild some of my photo albums. The result was
this horrible mess:
<http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/>
which I haven't had time to fix. It's a nice program and has enough
settings, options, templates, skins, and plugins to keep even the most
demanding feature freak (like me) entertained. However, forget about
simple and easy.

[Tom Kunich]

Tell everyone here what you know about Campagnolo top end components? We will all wait breath abated while you attempt to make something up. Well at least your ass kissing Russell Seaton with believe you.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 12:21:12 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
(chomp)

>Tell everyone here what you know about Campagnolo top end components?

Everyone? You're the only person who seems interested in what I don't
ride. As I've mentioned many times, my abilities, or my lack of
abilities will not change what is left of your reputation. You have
sabotaged that well beyond redemption. Please continue to try and
find fault in my choice of bicycles, my background, my appearance, my
computer advice, and such. Nothing I have done or can do, will change
the obvious fact that you are a really awful liar. Actually, it's not
that you tell lies, distort facts, misrepresent what others have
written, and generally act in a manner unbecoming a "scientist". Those
can be tolerated. Your problem is that your lies are poorly contrived
and easily debunked. If you really were the great man you claim to
be, you would know how to lie effectively and in a manner that doesn't
require profanity and personal insults. You're a poor excuse for a
liar.

I know nothing about Campagnolo top, bottom, front, or back end
components. I have to lookup everything that has to do with
Campagnolo. Carnal knowledge of Campagnolo components is not part of
my life. I do have a few odd Campagnolo components that date back
about 40 years. They look out of place on my bicycles. Is RBT now
only about Campagnolo components, carbon fiber, and high end bicycles?
How much money does one need to spend on bicycles to be considered for
membership in RBT? Are you still planning to change the group name
from RBT to the Aeolian Bicycle Club?

>We will all wait breath abated while you attempt to make something up. Well at least your ass kissing Russell Seaton with believe you.

We? Is that you and your Doppelganger? I guess(tm) the two of you
really are inseparable.

I'll ignore the rest of your miserable excuse for a discussion. Unlike
you, I don't do profanity or whatever drives your rather strange sex
life. I was going to suggest some professionalism, tact, and a
stronger mouth wash, but those would likely be futile. You've faked
everything. You should also be able to fake acting like the scientist
you pretend to be.

[Tom Kunich]

So rather than actually answering the question with a truthful "I don't ride bicycles and I have never had one with Campagnolo components so I'm talking out of my ass about things I don't have the slightest knowledge of", you believe that you can call names and change the actual facts. Sorry you pin head fool. Everyone here knows you for what you are. Only Seaton and Kragowski make any effort to defend you. Slocum just googles and writes nonsense like you.

Say, what became of that attempt of yours to prove I didn't have a life membership in the Aeolian Yacht Club? Why your proof was indisputable wasn't it?

[John B.]

Lets see.... Jeff is talking about photos and Tommy Boy starts on
about Campagnolo top end components???

And the amazing thing is..... (wait for it)..... Tommy boy spelled
that great big Italian word correctly.... Three cheers for Tommy who
finally, at long last, got something correct.

--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

Nope Lai was convicted of breaking a specific law. Whether you agree
with or disagree with said law is immaterial. He knowingly broke a law
and was punished for it.

>But let's see how the population thinks:
>https://thebl.tv/china/over-80-of-hong-kong-residents-intend-to-emigrate-survey.html
>

Right! Did you actually read your reference. They surveyed some 500
people.... in a city of 7.5 million people. Some 0.006%. A really,
really, informative survey.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Tom Kunich]

And appropriately I have jammed Slocum and Liebermann back into the kill file with the rest of them and shall now hopefully only comment on cycling related things.
You and the actual cyclists here have had too much of your patience tried by me responding to the idiots who cycle not.

[Mark Cleary]

Strava is one of those put up or shut up anyone can see what you ride if you allow.
Deacon mark

[John B.]

Again, did you read the reference. The problem is that
China is applying Chinese law to a Chinese city and foreigners don't
like it.
As I previously noted, much like Washington D.C. arguing that
extradition to Maryland was wrong!

>https://www.nchrd.org/2022/05/no-end-in-sight-to-chinas-prolonged-opaque-extralegal-detentions/

Yup, I read that it references a French News Paper which wrote that "A
report in a French newspaper says the employee has been charged with
‘picking quarrels and provoking trouble’" no further details.

Rather like the basketball "girl" in Russia. Accused of carrying some
sort of "dope" into Russia and everyone jumped up and down, No, No,
No, Let her go!. This morning the news has it that she pleaded guilty
to the crime that she was accused of.

--
Cheers,

John B.

[Jeff Liebermann]

Nice change of topic. Is the reason you hijack threads and change
topics because when you actually start a thread about how you're a
victim of something or someone, nobody bothers to comment or reply?

BTW, Google Groups does not have a kill file.

05/15/2022
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/FDSwyPDM9kU/m/rrohLx7XAAAJ
"So I apologize ahead of time because then it is brought to my
attention the bullshit that these people are chanting, I will tell
them exactly what I think of them. But I will try to keep the subject
on bicycles.tech."

04/02/2022
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/-CGm334QFOM/m/Kg4UvlYLAgAJ
"We do not respond to non-riders"

02/16/2022
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/JOuW1-q9gVI/m/pqo8Wgt2BgAJ
"I have contacted several of the other ex-members of the group and
their suggestion to me is to stop responding to the morons. Hence I
will."

12/25/2021
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/ojfW-TVB22M/m/KkiM5ESpDQAJ
"I simply now will no longer respond to the haters of the group"

No need to respond.

[John B.]

On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 16:32:09 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Goodness... if you have pit all those who labeled you a liar in the
"kill file" then who is left? Only the old, fat, bloke over there in
Ireland, too fat to pedal a bicycle up a hill and so built an electric
bike?
Sort of a "circle jerk" as nasty little boys used to term it.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Tom Kunich]

I don't remember a lot about it. I got sick of it really fast when I would post a route and time and some 24 year old would post that he did the same route 2 minutes faster. Uh, He could have kept that to himself don't you think? 24 years old and only 2 minutes faster than a (at the time) 70 year old makes you look sort of foolish doesn't it? And then that would start this competition over who could do it faster. So I just stopped.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 7/7/2022 7:32 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
>
> And appropriately I have jammed Slocum and Liebermann back into the kill file with the rest of them and shall now hopefully only comment on cycling related things.

Bullshit. Your Google Groups has no kill file. And your compulsions have
overcome your promises before.

"I will filter out John, Frank, Jeff, Russell and Flunky and only
address bicycle related postings." - Tom Kizer, 2/23/22



--
- Frank Krygowski

[Frank Krygowski]

What did you think it was for??


--
- Frank Krygowski

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 13:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Say, what became of that attempt of yours to prove I didn't have a life membership in the Aeolian Yacht Club? Why your proof was indisputable wasn't it?

Power is back on. From the accompanying bang, I would guess a blown
pole pig (transformer), possibly caused by someone shooting a hole in
it during the July 4th celebrations.

As I mentioned, the membership committee replied with:

Hi Jeff,

Aeolian yacht club is a private club therefore I cannot divulge any
personal information.

I didn't expect that. I have made similar request from various
organizations in the past for membership confirmation. Usually, they
grilled me asking why I need this information. They tended to be very
interested in someone impersonating a member, but that may have
changed. I suspect that privacy laws and fear of litigation has
discouraged organizations from supplying information of any kind
without a court order or legal document rendering them free and
harmless from legal liability should someone decide to sue. I've run
into this myself and am now very hesitant to provide an employment
referral for a former employee or co-worker.

I have a few options available that might deliver results. I want to
think these through before attempting anything. Disclosing what I
have in mind is probably not a good idea because you could easily
interfere with my plans.

However, there's something I can do with which you can't interfere.
I'm going to ask to see what a genuine membership card looks like. It
probably won't have life membership inscribed, but that's not
necessary. I want to see how close as real membership card resembles
the photo you generously provided. A similarity will not prove
membership but a lack of similarity might cast some doubt on the
validity of the only evidence you've provided to demonstrate
membership.

If all else fails, you could start your own local yacht club:
<https://www.hometownapparel.com/towns/california/san-leandro/san-leandro-california-yacht-club-mens-cotton-tshirt/carolina-blue/649818/A1>

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 17:40:31 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>I don't remember a lot about it. I got sick of it really fast when I would post a route and time and some 24 year old would post that he did the same route 2 minutes faster. Uh, He could have kept that to himself don't you think? 24 years old and only 2 minutes faster than a (at the time) 70 year old makes you look sort of foolish doesn't it? And then that would start this competition over who could do it faster. So I just stopped.

I don't believe that. Your account has no data of any kind in it. It
look almost exactly like my recently created new account:
<https://www.strava.com/athletes/27432450>
If you had previously used your account to track your performance, I
would expect to see some activity. You could claim that you erased
all your data, but I don't think you could have done that so
thoroughly without leaving some trace of your past activities.

Also, why didn't you just tell the 24 year old that you were 70 years
old and his performance should have been much better than 2 minutes
faster than a 70 year old? He would have had an incentive to train
harder and you could still walk away feeling superior. Of course, I
don't believe that story either. It's a little too convenient and
unlikely that a 24 year old would compare himself to you or that you
would give up because of a single discussion. It's too far out of
character for you. You've been doing RBT for over 20 years and I
haven't seen any evidence of you giving up on anything.

You said that your were 70 years old at the time. You're 74 years old
now, so that would have been in 2018. Strava saves everything for 5
years. Go to your Strava link above. On the right is "Side by Side
Comparison". Below that is the current year 2022 with an arrow
pointing down. Click on the arrow and you should see a list of the
last 5 years. I couldn't find anything in any of the available 5
years. If there was something recorded, it would have also appeared
under the "All-Time" totals.

So, you lied, again. What I don't understand is why you bother to lie
when the truth wouldn't have made any difference. You could have just
said that you couldn't figure out how to connect the Garmin 830 to
Strava, or that you were too busy to deal with Garmin bugs, or that
you didn't know how to handle multiple bicycles, or something that was
at least believable or close to the truth. Instead, you concocted
another amazing story that could be easily disproven. Sometimes, I
feel guilty using you for target practice so often, but your story
makes me suspect that you want someone to take apart your poorly
conceived story, like it was some kind of bait to help you get more
attention. Please tell me I'm wrong.

[John B.]

On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 19:39:25 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:

Now, now, Jeff. You forget that you are dealing with Crazy old Tommy
for whom "logic" consists solely of whatever he wants to say, at the
moment. His education, or lack there of, for example.

For some years he bragged that he hadn't graduated from high school
and what a success he had been without any education. Then Frank
mentioned the GED test and Bingo! Yup, Tommy had taken the GDP test.
Then a while later ,suddenly, he announces that he saw some year book,
or something similar and there he was in a photo of the senior class
and he announced that he had graduated.

Reality, for Tommy, is a variable.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

Arghhhhhh.
I'm going to have to admit to a minor mistake on my part. I got Hong Kong and Taiwan confused. Both are islands. Or have part of their territory as an island. What I wrote about invading the island should be for Taiwan. Not Hong Kong. China has controlled and populated Hong Kong for a long time now. HK, Taiwan, Macau are all previously NOT part of China. Britain and Portugal gave up the two cities a little bit ago. As for Taiwan, China says its theirs. But lots of others in the world say no. So China is thinking about invading it.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

I'm not Jeff. But what I know about Campagnolo top end components is from their 9 and 10 cog cassette days. Back in early 1998, I bought a Chorus 9 speed group on my Waterford bike. First year of the rounded top Ergo levers. Chorus was second best. Campagnolo had Record as its best at the time. Campagnolo stopped using Super Record from the mid 1980s until they introduced the 11 speed group in the early 2010s. So 9 speed Chorus was second from the top. And during the 10 speed days I had a Record Ergo lever on one bike. Top end for Campagnolo at the time. Its lever is carbon. Carbon!!!!!!!! As for telling everyone about them, they work very well. Always have for me. Only you Tommy cannot get Campagnolo components to work properly.

Tommy, why do you repeatedly illustrate your stupidity every single time you post a message in this group? Your last sentence above reads "Well at least your ass kissing Russell Seaton with believe you." Now anyone with any intelligence would proofread their posts and fix mistakes. In your sentence at the end you have the word "with". Obviously you meant to write the word "will". If you had been intelligent or even just average, you would have proofread your post and fixed that simple mistake. But no. You posted it with the incorrect words and again demonstrated to the entire world that you are a dumb person. Everyone on this forum already has far too many examples of you demonstrating your stupidity. We do not need more examples of your stupidity. Proofread Tommy. Proofread. When I was in high school many decades ago, my teachers taught me to proofread before handing in assignments. I realize you failed in high school. But surely you must have learned something. I would have expected you to learn that very elementary lesson. Apparently not.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

John, you are forgetting Tommy has recently said he attended college. The boating or ship captain school where you have to live on campus.

[John B.]

Oh My Goodness! Yes, I had overlooked that.

So now, lets see. Claims to be uneducated but finished high school and
then on to collage. Yes, reality is a variable for some people.

Or, would one simply say."He's crazy"?
--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 22:12:54 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"

The Taiwan thing is a bit strange. The Taiwanese seem to believe that
they are different from the Mainlanders and they feel that they were
invaded by the Nationalist forces in 1949, and from their point of
view they were. A foreign, to them, military force arrives and takes
control of their country, maintaining essentially a dictatorship,
under martial law until 1987.

I was there in the mid 1960's and the Taiwanese were still very vocal
about "those Chinese".
--
Cheers,

John B.

[AMuzi]

Not different from Texas. Or Sam Marino for that matter.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 2:09:55 AM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> The Taiwan thing is a bit strange. The Taiwanese seem to believe that
> they are different from the Mainlanders and they feel that they were
> invaded by the Nationalist forces in 1949, and from their point of
> view they were. A foreign, to them, military force arrives and takes
> control of their country, maintaining essentially a dictatorship,
> under martial law until 1987.
>
> I was there in the mid 1960's and the Taiwanese were still very vocal
> about "those Chinese".
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

Did not know that. So Chiang Kai-shek ruled China until he lost to Mao Zedong in 1949. Then invaded Taiwan and ruled it until he died in 1975. I mistakenly believed Taiwan was always part of Kai-shek's party from the beginning and was the last part of his empire to not get conquered. I did not know he invaded Taiwan as a last resort to stay in power. And the original Taiwanese people didn't give a dang about anyone ruling mainland China. I guess they always were, and still are, separate/different from the Chinese living on the contiguous land.

[AMuzi]

Very similar to Okinawa which is 'not quite' Japanese.
Before 1949, Taiwan was 'Formosa', meaning 'beautiful island'.

And Chaing was a successor to the incomparable Sun Yat Sen,
the George Washington of Republic of China.

[John B.]

Well, sort of. The so called Nationalists which were headed by Chaing
was the recognized Chinese government but the Communist's controlled a
substantial portion of the nation, some one-third of the country in
1945. Remember that fighting between the Nationalists and Communists
had been going on since the 1920's.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

Alright. Taiwan may have been more Nationalist oriented than Communist oriented. But I assumed, incorrectly, that Taiwan was the home base, long time supporter of Chiang Kai-shek. But no. Taiwan just happened to be the last place Chiang could run to after Mao finished his army off. He just took over Taiwan whether they wanted to be taken over or not. And you are saying they really did not want to be overtaken and ruled by Chiang. They wanted to remain independent and by themselves. Maybe supporting Chiang. But not occupied and ruled by Chiang.

[John B.]

On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 16:34:51 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"

I don't know whether Taiwan expected or hoped to be in some manner
independent. The matter never came up in conversation. But the
"Natives" certainly had nothing good to say about the "Mainlanders"

But, Taiwan, or Formosa (as the Europeans called it) had never been a
"free" country in the sense that the U.S., for example, is. The
country had always, or at least from the 1600's, been ruled by some
outside entity.

But, in reality, the general public doesn't give a damn about who is
the boss. Well, Tommy may but I meant people with good sense. And I
have lived in countries that were essentially ruled by a Dictator and
I've lived in countries that had democracies and Mr. Joe Commonman has
the same worries in both.... Can I get a decent job? Will the Kid do
well in school? The rent is coming due. And so on.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[AMuzi]

Compare the French government in exile 1940~1945 in London
under de Gaulle, or many other examples.

[Joy Beeson]

On Mon, 04 Jul 2022 10:42:57 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

> There are marked differences in neighborhoods in that some
> streets/roads move in different patterns/speeds and probably
> with a different driver attitude ( brisk commuting route vs
> local errands). Even those differences are different on
> weekdays/weekends and mid morning vs late evening. Hard to
> generalize.

When I lived in Albany, drivers on State Farm Road endangered me by
moving too far to the left, putting me at risk of being showered with
debris if an oncoming vehicle suddenly appeared. Drivers on Western
Avenue refused to move over even half a millimeter.

They were the SAME DRIVERS.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at centurylink dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

[AMuzi]

On 7/10/2022 10:15 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Jul 2022 10:42:57 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> There are marked differences in neighborhoods in that some
>> streets/roads move in different patterns/speeds and probably
>> with a different driver attitude ( brisk commuting route vs
>> local errands). Even those differences are different on
>> weekdays/weekends and mid morning vs late evening. Hard to
>> generalize.
>
> When I lived in Albany, drivers on State Farm Road endangered me by
> moving too far to the left, putting me at risk of being showered with
> debris if an oncoming vehicle suddenly appeared. Drivers on Western
> Avenue refused to move over even half a millimeter.
>
> They were the SAME DRIVERS.
>

+1

[Tom Kunich]

On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 8:15:21 PM UTC-7, Joy Beeson wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Jul 2022 10:42:57 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
> > There are marked differences in neighborhoods in that some
> > streets/roads move in different patterns/speeds and probably
> > with a different driver attitude ( brisk commuting route vs
> > local errands). Even those differences are different on
> > weekdays/weekends and mid morning vs late evening. Hard to
> > generalize.
>
> When I lived in Albany, drivers on State Farm Road endangered me by
> moving too far to the left, putting me at risk of being showered with
> debris if an oncoming vehicle suddenly appeared. Drivers on Western
> Avenue refused to move over even half a millimeter.
>
> They were the SAME DRIVERS.

I have to say that even when I ride out into the farmlands on narrow roads, the cars and even the harvest trucks are very polite. Of course most of them are being driven by aliens with green cards.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

Strava does not now, nor has it ever, worked that way, you fucking idiot. The only time you would ever be notified when another rider posts a faster time is if you had a KOM or CR and someone beats it. At your age and fitness level, the only way that would have happened was if you were the first person to ever ride a certain section of road and then create a segment based on it. There is no way in hell you ever had a KOM for any preexisting segments. Besides that, one of the principle points of strava is that it "would start this competition over who could do it faster. "- It's specifically meant for virtual competitions. Some people do in fact use strava as a simple fitness tracking tool, but the vast majority use it to gauge their performance against others.

[Andre Jute]

On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 2:07:26 AM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
> On 7/3/2022 6:26 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 7:05:24 p.m. UTC-4, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
> > Snipped
> >> Most of the bike lanes and bike paths I notice on our tours are a curse,
> >> not a blessing. We prefer real roads. Like this one, for example.
> > Snipped
> >
> > Here in Ontario, Canada the majority of bicycle lanes are Door-Zone lanes. Then there are others that go part way onto the on-ramps for major highways and are a real hazard to any bicyclist foolish enough to ride in it. I take the through lane of traffic not a right hand turning lane or on-ramp lane.
> >
> > Sometimes I think that bicycle lane planners are out to kill bicyclists. Why else would such dangerous designs be allowed and built?
> >
> > Cheers

> >
> +1
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>

+1
>
My favourite example is a bicycle lane that just ends between two lanes of cars (plus a further buslane before gaining the safety of the wide sidewalk) at lights on a six lane highway, which immediately beyond the lights becomes a two-way highway. Fortunately for these prospective organ-donors, there's a huge full-service regional hospital to one side of the road and a huge mall to the other side where, if they make it alive out of the maelstrom of car and trucks and buses, they can buy calming chemicals... If these unfortunate cyclists live in the suburbs on the two-lane side of the lights, or study in the technical college a couple of miles down the two-lane side, bad luck. It's known as Organ Donor Drive among the junior medical staff. To rub it in, when a cyclist makes it to the front door of the hospital, the first thing he sees is a poster advertising for organ donations. -- AJ