Economics not bicycle tech

[AMuzi]

Sharp idea

https://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/nationwide-overdraft-protection/
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Tom Kunich]

I have a major problem with the entire government shutting the economy down so that they can rebuild the swamp from the ground up with more power over you and putting that power into the hands of unelected individuals.

Politicians are perfectly delighted.

[AMuzi]

On 3/27/2020 4:31 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 1:24:15 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> Sharp idea
>>
>> https://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/nationwide-overdraft-protection/

> I have a major problem with the entire government shutting the economy down so that they can rebuild the swamp from the ground up with more power over you and putting that power into the hands of unelected individuals.
>
> Politicians are perfectly delighted.

It's the nature of government. Couple of goons show up with
cudgels, smack your knee and leave off a form for The Free
Crutches Department. You're supposed to be grateful.

[John B.]

On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 17:58:46 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 3/27/2020 4:31 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 1:24:15 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>> Sharp idea
>>>
>>> https://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/nationwide-overdraft-protection/
>
>> I have a major problem with the entire government shutting the economy down so that they can rebuild the swamp from the ground up with more power over you and putting that power into the hands of unelected individuals.
>>
>> Politicians are perfectly delighted.
>
>It's the nature of government. Couple of goons show up with
>cudgels, smack your knee and leave off a form for The Free
>Crutches Department. You're supposed to be grateful.

I believe that Reagan was quoted as saying that, "the most terrifying
words in the English language are, I'm from the Government and I'm
here to help you".
--
cheers,

John B.

[Tom Kunich]

Frank shows signs that as a teacher he was also effected by the delightful advantages of Marxism. It is now so prevalent in American educational systems it is now all the way down to middle school.

Children don't know what it is but they know it is good. "Even distribution of the goods". Or in other means - the Robin Hood complex where people who actually make the things have no right to them. The people of East Germany saw it up close and personal and wanted freedom. Now I'm told, that again they are thinking of all of the wonderful joys of socialism.

[John B.]

Gee.... Andrew says "Couple of goons show up with cudgels, smack your
knee and leave off a form for The Free Crutches Department" and Tommy
says the Frank is effected by Marxism...

Is knee breaking what Marxism is all about? Or is Marxism equated with
the "Robin Hood" syndrome, Tom mentions, of taking from the rich and
giving to the poor?

Or is poor old Tommy sitting there glorying in his Social Security,
his Food Stamps, his Unemployment and his Aid to Unwed Mothers, all
examples of socialism in action, simply because he doesn't know what
he is talking about?
--
cheers,

John B.

[Andre Jute]

I'm not surprised at the less bright retired academics probably unknowingly mouthing-off marxist constructs. The Marxist miasma has been in the air on campus since Herbert Marcuse. Fools like Krygowski have neither the brains nor the background to work out that its underlying axioms are anti-social. They pick up the lingo without knowing its implications. From the marxist perspective the problem with Krygowski is that he isn't smart enough, or presentable enough, to be one of Lenin's "useful idiots". Or maybe it's not a problem, maybe his porcine stupidity is his saving grace.

Ande Jute
Fifty cents either way

[Andre Jute]

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 5:18:13 AM UTC, John B. wrote:
>
> Is knee breaking what Marxism is all about?
>

No, you dim dingbat, Marxism is about scrambling eggs, and we have that on the authority of V. I. Ulyanov himself. Since you're likely to know even less Russian than you know about anything else, scrambling eggs is Russian vernacular for breaking balls. Come back when you've googled Vladimir Iliych.

Andre Jute
Hey, and maybe you can tell us how people knew he had syphilis.

PS you should probably look up "vernacular" too, so that you don't make an even bigger fool of yourself.

[Tom Kunich]

I don't think that John is a fool so much as someone that feels left behind by time. He is trying to be modern by being one of the crowd. And since he and Frank make up most of "the crowd" he is in deep shit and doesn't even know it.

[Andre Jute]

Short Johnny is spending an awful amount of energy and time to persuade us he's a moron. I am willing to take him at his word. -- AJ

[Tom Kunich]

He has spent almost the entirety of his presence on this board trying to do just that.

[John B.]

I really think that you and your buddy, the bloke that was said, "to
lack any socially redeeming qualities", are either confused or lying,
frankly I think that the latter is most likely, as I never wrote any
of the above that y'all appear to have attributed to me.

Desperation appears to have reared it's ugly head when you have to
resort to lying to disparage someone.
--
cheers,

John B.

[Andre Jute]

On Saturday, April 4, 2020 at 2:23:07 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 07:21:53 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, April 3, 2020 at 2:43:02 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> >> On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 5:18:13 AM UTC, John B. wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Is knee breaking what Marxism is all about?
> >> >
> >> No, you dim dingbat, Marxism is about scrambling eggs, and we have that on the authority of V. I. Ulyanov himself. Since you're likely to know even less Russian than you know about anything else, scrambling eggs is Russian vernacular for breaking balls. Come back when you've googled Vladimir Iliych.
> >>
> >> Andre Jute
> >> Hey, and maybe you can tell us how people knew he had syphilis.
> >>
> >> PS you should probably look up "vernacular" too, so that you don't make an even bigger fool of yourself.
> >
> >I don't think that John is a fool so much as someone that feels left behind by time. He is trying to be modern by being one of the crowd. And since he and Frank make up most of "the crowd" he is in deep shit and doesn't even know it.
>
> I really think that you and your buddy, the bloke that was said, "to
> lack any socially redeeming qualities",

That's the problem with wannabe net bullies nipping at the ankles of their betters: Short Johnny Slo wants to hand it out but he can't take it, which is why he is now too frightened even to name me. That's smart, Short Johnny, because I do adversarial polemics for a rich living, and you're just the sort of deplorable that crunches nicely underfoot. Don't worry. By the next day I'll have forgotten your name.

>are either confused or lying,

Oh, no, we're never confused, and we don't need to lie when the evidence of your vicious attempts at bullying litter the pavements of RBT like so many turds dropped by the homeless.

> frankly I think that the latter is most likely,

Prove it, Short Johnny Slo.

>as I never wrote any
> of the above

Really? Who wrote it then if not you? Why should anyone want to impersonate a clown as insignificant as you?

>that y'all appear to have attributed to me.

Really? There's no need to "attribute" anything to you when you are so careless about who knows, from your own writing, standing on Google for eternity, that you're an especially nasty class of scum.

> Desperation appears to have reared it's ugly head

"reared it's ugly head"? D'you mind leaving off the cliches, Slow Johnny? They hurt my feelings, and when my feelings are hurt I react unpredictably. Also, "it's" stands for "it is", not the possessive; don't perpetrate that solecism upon the beloved language again, or I'll conclude that you don't listen too well and need a lesson taught.

> when you have to
> resort to lying to disparage someone.

Nah, if I expose something about you, for instance that you're a transvestite, I'll make it stick; that was why I was paid seven-figure sums in advertising. Whatever makes you think that people like Tom and me aren't already inside your head, Short Johnny? You're just a number, man, way down the list of numbers; there's nothing exceptional about you to distinguish you from the other cocky little men who tried to take out their resentments on those brighter than they are. Go look up Henry Pasternak, who thought I looked like easy meat: twenty years after I put him down and he ran, he still whines from behind a firewall that I labelled him, forever, Pompass Plodnick; this is a man who used to brag he had a master's degree from Stanford. You're out of your league, little man. You should run immediately, because from now on, every time I notice you, I'm going to kick you like a little dog yapping around my ankles. Pasternack said I was fearless and pitiless, which is true but irrelevant because I can afford to be both; the generally stupid Krygowski proved to be more observant when he sneered that I persevere: you should consider what happens to you when a boss psychologist who cannot be stopped focusses even a small fraction of his attention permanently on you. (Nope, the answer isn't fame at last, it is a drip-drip of pain dissolving your marrow.) As I said, the day after you break, I won't even remember your name -- nothing personal, just business, my business, which is magnanimously showing a wannabe, you, how it is done by someone competent, me, for which I expect gratitude. Like my granny said, noblesse oblige imposes obligations and if the peasants aren't appropriately grateful, you didn't kick them hard enough.

> --
> cheers,
>
> John B.

Tell me something, shortass. Do you believe suffering from Duck's Disease automatically means you have to be stupid and reckless as well? The question arises because you appear to be both, and it is foolish beyond belief for a nobody like you to put himself into the face of a professional polemicist, what's more on the internet, a wordsmith's dream medium.

Andre Jute
Darwin's Little Helper

[Tom Kunich]

His eighty-year old buddy turned to John:

'So I hear you're getting married?'
'Yep!'
'Do I know her?
'Nope!'
'This woman, is she good looking?'
'Not really.'
'Is she a good cook?'
'Naw, she can't cook too well.'
'Does she have lots of money?'
'Nope! Poor as a church mouse.'
'Well, then, is she good in bed?'
'I don't know.'
'Why in the world do you want to marry her then?'
'Because she can still drive!'

This is the guy commenting on a bicycle group.

[Andre Jute]

Not to mention on bicyclists who cycle further in a day than Slow Johnny does in a month. What a wanker. -- AJ

[Radey Shouman]

I hope I do half as well as John B. if and when I manage to reach his age.

[John B.]

On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 08:17:44 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich

Nice one Tommy... except that I've been married to the same woman
since 1971.

Can you say the same?
--
cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

Well, thank you for that, although I do have to admit that since I had
the heart attack and had the pacemaker implanted I don't cycle as much
as I used to :-(
--
cheers,

John B.

[Andre Jute]

You should specify in which regard, Radey, or trim the post sequence so we know what you're responding to. As it is, we can easily mistake your response as a desire to be an odious bully, just like Slow Johnny Shortass. Given the nasty air on RBT, where every casual utterance is given the worst possible interpretation by the resident scum, including by the outright liar John B. Slocombe, you can't count on anyone's goodwill or even Occam's Razor.

Andre Jute
Precision matters

[Andre Jute]

Hey, Franki-boy, here's a whimpering shortass who doesn't belong on RBT. You going to try running Short Johnny out, like in the days when you fancied yourself a social arbiter?

Andre Jute
Another valid question: will Slow Johnny actually go just because Franki-boy says so?

[AMuzi]

'For every room in heaven, there's one just like it in hell
for someone else.'

[Radey Shouman]

In which regard? In being a congenial poster, for one.

[Andre Jute]

You find Slow Johnny's hounding of another poster congenial? Include me out, sport. -- Andre Jute

[Andre Jute]

I've always pictured Hell as an overcrowded place, like the pavements of Calcutta or San Francisco, which, considering the infinity of eternity, is a worse punishment than being alone in an overheated room. Not to kibbutz, but following the logic, Hell must therefore have fewer rooms than Heaven.

Andre Jute
Rational

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 04:20:56 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
<fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I've always pictured Hell as an overcrowded place, like the
>pavements of Calcutta or San Francisco, which, considering
>the infinity of eternity, is a worse punishment than being
>alone in an overheated room. Not to kibbutz, but following
>the logic, Hell must therefore have fewer rooms than Heaven.
>
>Andre Jute
>Rational

Agreed. It's simple geometry.

Hell is generally considered to be below ground, somewhere near the
center of the planet as in Dante's Inferno:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferno_(Dante)>
Heaven is located somewhere above the clouds, as indicated by numerous
illustrations showing the gods walking around on clouds. On a sphere,
the available surface area increases with the cube of the altitude or
depth. Therefore, there is far more available space above the clouds
as there might be in some manner of a hollow earth hell.

Hell would also have some problem meeting modern building code
standards. If hell were built in the cavernous manner found in many
illustrations, we would be dealing with a large number of sink holes,
foundation failures, and possibly draining the oceans through the
entry portals:
<https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=hell>
If hell were excavated, there's also the question of where are the
spoil piles?

I'm not sure of the exact size of the soul, but if it's proportional
to the common inflated ego, there's likely to be insufficient
underground space to construct a suitable hell. Since heaven has more
space and is lacking in financial experts, most of which seem to end
up in hell, it would be profitable to lease some of the extra space
found in heaven, to deal with the overcrowding in hell.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limbo>


--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

[Radey Shouman]

Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> writes:

> On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 04:20:56 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>I've always pictured Hell as an overcrowded place, like the
>>pavements of Calcutta or San Francisco, which, considering
>>the infinity of eternity, is a worse punishment than being
>>alone in an overheated room. Not to kibbutz, but following
>>the logic, Hell must therefore have fewer rooms than Heaven.
>>
>>Andre Jute
>>Rational
>
> Agreed. It's simple geometry.
>
> Hell is generally considered to be below ground, somewhere near the
> center of the planet as in Dante's Inferno:
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferno_(Dante)>
> Heaven is located somewhere above the clouds, as indicated by numerous
> illustrations showing the gods walking around on clouds. On a sphere,
> the available surface area increases with the cube of the altitude or
> depth. Therefore, there is far more available space above the clouds
> as there might be in some manner of a hollow earth hell.

I beg to differ: The area of a sphere is 4 pi r^2.

[AMuzi]

Where would you expect to find the fun girls?

[Andre Jute]

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 7:15:50 PM UTC+1, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 04:20:56 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >I've always pictured Hell as an overcrowded place, like the
> >pavements of Calcutta or San Francisco, which, considering
> >the infinity of eternity, is a worse punishment than being
> >alone in an overheated room. Not to kibbutz, but following
> >the logic, Hell must therefore have fewer rooms than Heaven.
> >
> >Andre Jute
> >Rational
>
> Agreed. It's simple geometry.
>
> Hell is generally considered to be below ground, somewhere near the
> center of the planet as in Dante's Inferno:
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferno_(Dante)>
> Heaven is located somewhere above the clouds, as indicated by numerous
> illustrations showing the gods walking around on clouds. On a sphere,
> the available surface area increases with the cube of the altitude or
> depth. Therefore, there is far more available space above the clouds
> as there might be in some manner of a hollow earth hell.

I was relying on John 14:2 which reads, from memory, "In my father's house are many mansions," with "mansion" being translated in modern vernacular versions as "rooms", rather than on geometry but, as you say, the result is the same. The "rational" tagline was a red herring but turns out spot on.

> Hell would also have some problem meeting modern building code
> standards. If hell were built in the cavernous manner found in many
> illustrations, we would be dealing with a large number of sink holes,
> foundation failures, and possibly draining the oceans through the
> entry portals:
> <https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=hell>
> If hell were excavated, there's also the question of where are the
> spoil piles?

Those images of hell you posted a link to makes me wonder if Hell hasn't been moved on to an undisclosed location by Health & Safety.

> I'm not sure of the exact size of the soul, but if it's proportional
> to the common inflated ego, there's likely to be insufficient
> underground space to construct a suitable hell. Since heaven has more
> space and is lacking in financial experts, most of which seem to end
> up in hell, it would be profitable to lease some of the extra space
> found in heaven, to deal with the overcrowding in hell.
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limbo>

That it hasn't happened yet proves only that people too smart for their own good usually end up in the hot place.

> --
> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Thanks for the giggle, Jeff.

Andre Jute
Calvinist. My place is reserved. But, just in case, I'm also chummy with the Papal Nuncio, the Archbishop, the Chief Rabbi, and an imam my halal butcher knows.

[Andre Jute]

I decline to answer on the ground that answering may incriminate me. -- AJ

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 11:11:35 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>
> 'For every room in heaven, there's one just like it in hell
> for someone else.'
>
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Not sure how to interpret this. Does it mean the rooms in heaven are really, really bad? Or the rooms in hell are really, really good? And your statement implies an exact 50/50 split between heaven and hell. 1 out of 2 are going to burn in hell. And the other half are going to be happy in heaven. Based on my observations over the years, I can believe the amount going to hell. But 50% gong to heaven seems too optimistic.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 1:15:50 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
> I'm not sure of the exact size of the soul, but if it's proportional
> to the common inflated ego, there's likely to be insufficient
> underground space to construct a suitable hell.
>

> --
> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

If this is true then there is no physical way Trump can get into Hell. Its too small for his ego. You're just full of good news.

[Tom Kunich]

Since all damned souls are all cast into the Lake of Fire I can't see how there is any room in hell to argue about social distancing.

[Tom Kunich]

When Trump was a Democrat everyone was delighted with him and all said that he had no ego at all. Strange how the same sorts of people instantly observe a complete reversal just because he became a Republican. Apparently Snowflakes do not have an unbiased power of observation.

[Tom Kunich]

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 2:01:44 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:

Just to outline your twisted thinking: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube+victor+hansen&docid=607994693860131021&mid=D9C8C0DC2741B17ED7DDD9C8C0DC2741B17ED7DD&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

[Radey Shouman]

Tastes vary. Some like it hot. See "Captain Stormfield's Visit to
Heaven", Mark Twain.

[Jeff Liebermann]

I humbly suggest that you reconsider your calculation. People, gods,
and souls are not two dimensional. They require a third dimension as
in the volume of a sphere, not the surface area. The volume of a
sphere is 4/3 Pi r^3.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 06 Apr 2020 14:25:03 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>Where would you expect to find the fun girls?

Just follow the money. Ever since a Jewish prophet and teacher tossed
the money changers out of his fathers temple, the religious
establishment founded in his honor have considered lending money for
interest, speculation, gambling, and business in general to be the
work of the devil. Therefore, I would assume that practitioners of
the financial arts to take up residence in hell after their demise.
Since the fun and party girls I know require a financial statement
from me before engaging in whatever debauchery I might find
interesting, I presume that they would follow the financiers.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 13:41:39 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
<fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I was relying on John 14:2 which reads, from memory, "In my
>father's house are many mansions," with "mansion" being
>translated in modern vernacular versions as "rooms", rather
>than on geometry but, as you say, the result is the same.
>The "rational" tagline was a red herring but turns out spot on.

If true, then heaven must be packed full of apartment buildings.
That's not exactly my idea of paradise. I much prefer a single family
dwelling. That also might explain why hell has recently become so
popular.
<https://imgur.com/r/pics/lVG9603>

>Those images of hell you posted a link to makes me wonder
>if Hell hasn't been moved on to an undisclosed location by Health & Safety.

True. I don't know what hell actually looks like, but I do suspect
that the county planning department and their building permit
bureaucracy are the likely guardians of the entrance.

>That it hasn't happened yet proves only that people too
>smart for their own good usually end up in the hot place.

Are you perhaps waiting for the rapture?
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture>
The end of days has been predicted many times, but so far both the
good and the evil have managed to survive. I'm beginning to wonder if
that will also apply to the current global crisis.

>Thanks for the giggle, Jeff.
>
>Andre Jute
>Calvinist. My place is reserved. But, just in case, I'm also
>chummy with the Papal Nuncio, the Archbishop, the Chief Rabbi,
>and an imam my halal butcher knows.

Indecision is the key to flexibility.

[jbeattie]

I always thought he was a dopey self-promoter, regardless of his political affiliation. Another narcissistic trust-fund baby building temples to himself -- between bankruptcies and booty-calls. https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/GTY_Trump_Taj_Mahal_hb_161012_16x9_992.jpg Hope you weren't a bond-holder.

But you raise an interesting point. What if he had run as a Democrat? Hmmmmmmmm. Still no. I would have voted for Mitt Romney. At least he had experience, and I could marvel at his tax return and skillful use of the carried interest deduction. Plus he pays the Mormon tax -- he tithes more in one year than most people make in a lifetime. That pays for a lot of free temple-ground tours and the giant talking Jesus at the visitor center. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/bc/content/locations/temple-square-north-visitors-center/images/NVCChristus2_Detail.jpg Having Jesus talk to you is worth the price of admission. Plus I got a free Book of Mormon. Trump charges for made-in-China MAGA hats.

-- Jay Beattie.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 4/6/2020 6:43 PM, jbeattie wrote:
> On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 2:07:01 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>

>> When Trump was a Democrat everyone was delighted with him and all said that he had no ego at all. ...

>
> I always thought he was a dopey self-promoter, regardless of his political affiliation. Another narcissistic trust-fund baby building temples to himself -- between bankruptcies and booty-calls.

I thought about Trump almost not at all. What - a real estate guy who
slathers his name on every building that he puts up? Sounds very
egotistical. And a game show with a punch line "You're fired!"?? I don't
watch any game shows, and if I did, that would be low on the list.

Tom is making a common ideologue mistake: assuming everyone that
disagrees with him has exactly the same opinions.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[AMuzi]

If Hell needs a county permit (or two or five or more) it
certainly has never been built.

[AMuzi]

+1
I disagree with him daily but since I know him from the
financial press (no television) my criticisms are over
policy and not snark or the Queens version of politeness.

I've written here before that our choice is not to find
Mother Theresa's replacement. It's for the least awful of
the two finalists in a convoluted process. Yes, I scream at
my radio some days but there's never been one day that I
regretted my first vote for Donald J Trump which I'll
duplicate in November.

[John B.]

On Mon, 06 Apr 2020 15:06:30 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:

You are rapidly approaching the question of how many angels can dance
on the head of a pin :-)
--
cheers,

John B.

[Radey Shouman]

I was not imagining ceilings of unlimited height, nor numberless
stories. But my imagination is not equal to the task.

[John B.]

I was once told by an individual that had attended a Catholic collage
that all of those who did not worship the Christian God were bound for
Hell, that is currently 68% of the world's population who will be
taking the "down" elevator.
--
cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

On Mon, 06 Apr 2020 15:37:27 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:

Well, comparing the Christian Heaven and the Muslim Heaven, the
Christians get a harp and the Muslims get 77 women, specified to have
big boobs.

And, I have read that the Jews have seven heavens, but apparently no
harps or boobs :-)
--
cheers,

John B.

[Ralph Barone]

It’s gonna be a hell of a shock when those people get to the Pearly Gates
and find Buddha there.

[John B.]

:-) But he's not there. He no longer exists, to use one translation.

--
cheers,

John B.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 09:04:46 +0700, John B.
<jbsl...@fictitious.site> wrote:

>Well, comparing the Christian Heaven and the Muslim Heaven, the
>Christians get a harp and the Muslims get 77 women, specified to have
>big boobs.

So, what do the women get when they enter heaven? Somehow, that
question seems to have escaped the attention of the biblical authors
and scholars.

>And, I have read that the Jews have seven heavens, but apparently no
>harps or boobs :-)

No loose women or big boobs, but maybe some choir music. See the 5th
level of heaven:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven_in_Judaism>
The fifth heaven is under the administration of Samael. It
is also where the Ishim and the Song-Uttering Choirs reside.

Since the traditional Jewish image of paradise is lacking in
entertainment value, the biblical scholars added a playground:
Beyond Paradise, according to Legends of the Jews, is the higher
Gan Eden, where God is enthroned and explains the Torah to
its inhabitants.

So, there you have it. When you go to heaven, you're expected to
listen to choir music and study the Torah. Eternal damnation seems
like more fun.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 06 Apr 2020 19:50:59 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>If Hell needs a county permit (or two or five or more) it
>certainly has never been built.

That's also true for ordinary construction and developments. If the
builder actually followed the procedures and rules outlined in the
ever changing zoning, codes, and general plans, nothing would ever be
built. However, buildings do seem to appear occasionally. The
process is greatly expedited by political contributions, assumption of
traditional county expenses such as street lighting and sidewalks,
social relevance (homeless), job creation, outright bribes, and other
lubricants. Since the hellacious construction practices found in all
illustrations of hell would be compliant with any known building code,
I can only assume that the necessary permits were properly expedited.

Please note that all documentation in reference to hell suggest that
there is only one hell, subdivided into 7 layers. To build such a
hell would require only one permit, from only one planetary
government. While such permits might be difficult to obtain in most
first world countries, it would not be difficult to find a small
country that is more willing to do business with the devil.

[John B.]

On Mon, 06 Apr 2020 20:20:40 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 09:04:46 +0700, John B.
><jbsl...@fictitious.site> wrote:
>
>>Well, comparing the Christian Heaven and the Muslim Heaven, the
>>Christians get a harp and the Muslims get 77 women, specified to have
>>big boobs.
>
>So, what do the women get when they enter heaven? Somehow, that
>question seems to have escaped the attention of the biblical authors
>and scholars.

Yes, the "old Folks" did ignore the females to a great extent, but I
would have to ask, "Who is going to cook supper?"
There is no record of Abraham, for example, being a chef.

>
>>And, I have read that the Jews have seven heavens, but apparently no
>>harps or boobs :-)
>
>No loose women or big boobs, but maybe some choir music. See the 5th
>level of heaven:
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven_in_Judaism>
> The fifth heaven is under the administration of Samael. It
> is also where the Ishim and the Song-Uttering Choirs reside.
>
>Since the traditional Jewish image of paradise is lacking in
>entertainment value, the biblical scholars added a playground:
> Beyond Paradise, according to Legends of the Jews, is the higher
> Gan Eden, where God is enthroned and explains the Torah to
> its inhabitants.
>
>So, there you have it. When you go to heaven, you're expected to
>listen to choir music and study the Torah. Eternal damnation seems
>like more fun.
--

cheers,

John B.

[news18]

On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 09:04:46 +0700, John B. wrote:


> Well, comparing the Christian Heaven and the Muslim Heaven, the
> Christians get a harp and the Muslims get 77 women, specified to have
> big boobs.

Err, there is some discussin on that as the word can have other meanings

[John B.]

On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 05:30:06 -0000 (UTC), news18 <new...@woa.com.au>
wrote:

Boobs? Yes, you are correct. As in most translations a word can be
interpreted several ways. "Jannah" literally means "garden" I believe,
but is commonly used, in the Koran, to mean paradise, the literal term
for which is " Firdaus". The word "ka'ib" used to describe the Houri
can mean "rounded" prominent" "swelling" " fully developed", but
granted not "boobs" per se. Just as the word "boob" can be interpreted
to have various meanings :-)
--
cheers,

John B.

[cycl...@yahoo.com]

Well, you certainly run into a whole lot of people that are dopey billionaires. As for self promoting - how else do you try a dozen or more other business goals without self promotion?

Exactly why is it that you don't know what a chapter 11 bankruptcy is?

The official MAGA hates from his campaign committee are made in America. The counterfeits are made in China. Can you explain why you couldn't bother to look that up?

You are entitled to vote for anyone you like. Using entitlement to vote for Romney who is the very picture of entitlement is a perfect demonstration of your inability to understand the political class and why people voted for Trump.

I know, tell us he is racist, xenophobic and calls everyone deplorables and smelly Walmart shoppers.

[cycl...@yahoo.com]

Again and again you show your total ignorance of business. That is called "branding" and not egotism. Do you say that about Motel 6 or the Radisson chain? Every time you post you show why your life has been a failure and why your hatred for anyone and everyone around you is so intense.

[cycl...@yahoo.com]

So among your other talents you haven't any idea of what Buddhism is?

[cycl...@yahoo.com]

The religions of the Earth have become corrupted and while they are not bad they are following the incorrect paths. What's more, words that can from a profit who was preaching to 20 year old men whose average lifespan was 24 years should give you the idea that he was attempting to attract an audience and not tell them what actually was coming. All three of the world's major religions are based upon the Old Testament. But no one was supposed to spend their entire lives at the wailing wall of wasting their time praying to God 6 times a day. Christ did not come to Earth to build a religion based upon the concept of Royalty as existed in his time and his words say as much.

Listening to people here who actually believe in Darwin, spouting religion is ridiculous.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 4/7/2020 11:47 AM, cycl...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 4:58:27 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 4/6/2020 6:43 PM, jbeattie wrote:
>>> On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 2:07:01 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>
>>>> When Trump was a Democrat everyone was delighted with him and all said that he had no ego at all. ...
>>>
>>> I always thought he was a dopey self-promoter, regardless of his political affiliation. Another narcissistic trust-fund baby building temples to himself -- between bankruptcies and booty-calls.
>>
>> I thought about Trump almost not at all. What - a real estate guy who
>> slathers his name on every building that he puts up? Sounds very
>> egotistical. And a game show with a punch line "You're fired!"?? I don't
>> watch any game shows, and if I did, that would be low on the list.
>>
>> Tom is making a common ideologue mistake: assuming everyone that
>> disagrees with him has exactly the same opinions.
>>
>> --
>> - Frank Krygowski
>
> Again and again you show your total ignorance of business. That is called "branding" and not egotism. Do you say that about Motel 6 or the Radisson chain?

I wasn't aware that any Mister 6 was responsible for splashing his name
on all those Hotel 6 buildings. And I see that Radisson was named after
a 17th century French explorer. Did he return from the dead to promote
his "brand"?

A counter-example: Arni Nashbar is a friend of mine. He started a
business called Bike Warehouse that did remarkably well. At a time it
was growing rapidly, the name changed to Bike Nashbar. As he was showing
a bunch of us around the works at that time, he said he resisted that
name change; but his lawyers said it would be difficult to impossible to
defend a copyright on "Bike Warehouse" - that it was too generic. They
urged him to use his last name.

I think that was pretty much the opposite of the self-proclaimed "stable
genius," the "I'm a very smart guy," the guy who said "I really am
brilliant," etc.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/10/10/times-trump-bragged-about-intelligence-orig-alee.cnn
Can you spot any egotism? I can.

> Every time you post you show why your life has been a failure and why your hatred for anyone and everyone around you is so intense.

Tom, I'm sorry you're a nut case living in a hell hole. I really am
sorry. But please understand, it's not my fault.



--
- Frank Krygowski

[AMuzi]

> The religions of the Earth have become corrupted and while they are not bad they are following the incorrect paths. What's more, words that can from a profit who was preaching to 20 year old men whose average lifespan was 24 years should give you the idea that he was attempting to attract an audience and not tell them what actually was coming. All three of the world's major religions are based upon the Old Testament. But no one was supposed to spend their entire lives at the wailing wall of wasting their time praying to God 6 times a day. Christ did not come to Earth to build a religion based upon the concept of Royalty as existed in his time and his words say as much.
>
> Listening to people here who actually believe in Darwin, spouting religion is ridiculous.
>

America has found a new religion it seems.
A sacred mound of TP will protect the owner from evil.

[AMuzi]

We can do this all day long regarding brands, both examples
and counterexamples. For every Days Inn there's a Hilton. No
one did ego like Leona Helmsley of Helmsley Hotels.

This only proves that the world is a big place and says
nothing about Donald J Trump one way or the other.

[Frank Krygowski]

Oh, I can think of one guy who did.

>
> This only proves that the world is a big place and says nothing about
> Donald J Trump one way or the other.

Yep. There is no "better" or "worse." All men and women are equal. The
egotistical, never-employed, drug-addled bike thief deserves as much
adulation as the humble saint who spends an entire life achieving things
only for the benefit of society.

They all get identical trophies for participation.


--
- Frank Krygowski

[jbeattie]

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 8:45:15 AM UTC-7, cycl...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 3:43:59 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
> > On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 2:07:01 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 2:01:44 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 1:15:50 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not sure of the exact size of the soul, but if it's proportional
> > > > > to the common inflated ego, there's likely to be insufficient
> > > > > underground space to construct a suitable hell.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> > > > > 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> > > > > Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
> > > > > Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
> > > >
> > > > If this is true then there is no physical way Trump can get into Hell. Its too small for his ego. You're just full of good news.
> > >
> > > When Trump was a Democrat everyone was delighted with him and all said that he had no ego at all. Strange how the same sorts of people instantly observe a complete reversal just because he became a Republican. Apparently Snowflakes do not have an unbiased power of observation.
> >
> > I always thought he was a dopey self-promoter, regardless of his political affiliation. Another narcissistic trust-fund baby building temples to himself -- between bankruptcies and booty-calls. https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/GTY_Trump_Taj_Mahal_hb_161012_16x9_992.jpg Hope you weren't a bond-holder.
> >
> > But you raise an interesting point. What if he had run as a Democrat? Hmmmmmmmm. Still no. I would have voted for Mitt Romney. At least he had experience, and I could marvel at his tax return and skillful use of the carried interest deduction. Plus he pays the Mormon tax -- he tithes more in one year than most people make in a lifetime. That pays for a lot of free temple-ground tours and the giant talking Jesus at the visitor center. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/bc/content/locations/temple-square-north-visitors-center/images/NVCChristus2_Detail.jpg Having Jesus talk to you is worth the price of admission. Plus I got a free Book of Mormon. Trump charges for made-in-China MAGA hats.
> >
> > -- Jay Beattie.
>
> Well, you certainly run into a whole lot of people that are dopey billionaires. As for self promoting - how else do you try a dozen or more other business goals without self promotion?

First, we're assuming he is a billionaire, but if so, it's easy to get there when daddy leaves you $200M. Put it in a Vanguard fund. You don't need to self-promote. How many buildings do you see that say "Warren Buffet" on them? How about "Bill Gates" or even "Jeff Bezos." Trump puts his name on things like a dog put piss on fence posts.

>
> Exactly why is it that you don't know what a chapter 11 bankruptcy is?

Hmmm. Let's look at my desk-top. https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/19420126/Kaiser_Gypsum_Company,_Inc Another $1B chapter 11 involving a creditor-client of mine. So, yes, Tom, I understand Chapter 11 as much as I have to. You're also assuming the casinos aren't converted to Chapter 7, and you also ignore that Trump is the top Chapter 11 filer in decades. https://money.cnn.com/2015/08/31/news/companies/donald-trump-bankruptcy/ He's number one! MAGA! BTW, have you ever been a creditor in bankruptcy? It's not fun when somebody dead-beats you, and it must be even less fun when that person is a supposed billionaire.

> The official MAGA hates from his campaign committee are made in America. The counterfeits are made in China. Can you explain why you couldn't bother to look that up?

Yes. https://www.newsweek.com/trump-keep-america-great-hats-1454921 But if his totally official MAGA hats are US made, then I apologize to his campaign committee.

>
> You are entitled to vote for anyone you like. Using entitlement to vote for Romney who is the very picture of entitlement is a perfect demonstration of your inability to understand the political class and why people voted for Trump.

Romney is nowhere near as entitled as Trump. He didn't inherit his wealth -- although his parent's wealth did get him privilege and a Harvard education and connections that lead to wealth, so there is that. And "political class" -- you mean someone with experience like being a governor and a senator? God forbid somebody knows what they're doing.

> I know, tell us he is racist, xenophobic and calls everyone deplorables and smelly Walmart shoppers.

I understand that Trump voters felt disaffected and ignored. I've felt that way sometimes too, but it did not prompt me to poke myself in the eye or hit myself over the head with a frying pan -- or piss in my boots. His tax cuts didn't help me; they are were a temporary bribe for individual tax payers and a permanent and massive windfall for corporations who are the really, really big winners. Tax collections were wrecked producing a massive budget shortfall with no savings through budget cuts. Government has not been made more efficient or better. Every incompetent Trump relative and collateral is making national policy with zero experience. There is no active chief of staff -- maybe today is the day. It's a shit show. Any rational person would look at this and say WTF? The swamp and the deep state are all that's holding us together.

-- Jay Beattie.

[Tom Kunich]

Jay, you can't let a chance go by to show you're crazy can you? Just the PROPERTY that Trump owns makes him a billionaire. Hotels and office buildings in New York City which apparently you think go for a dime a dozen. The things you say remind me of the wackos that post in the comment sections of Yahoo articles. You will say absolutely anything without any regard for the truth. Didn't you just say that MAGA hats that Trump was passing out were made in China? ONE second on the most left wing sites like Snopes would have proven you wrong but you have decided to invent your own reality. I can only assume that I was right and you are so worried about your job that communism seems good to you. And you still don't believe that the very first people to the wall are those that support communism because you're the first ones to say that the promise wasn't upheld.

Trump's tax cuts were not supposed to help you. Is that what ticks you off? That people in the top 10% actually lost money in the so-called tax cuts? That they were designed to help America and not some dumb ass special interest group. For the first time in modern history a President worked FOR the electorate and that's what you don't like.

What you are doing now is pissing in your boots. Stand in it because no one else cares.

[AMuzi]

On 4/7/2020 1:24 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 4/7/2020 1:40 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 4/7/2020 11:37 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 4/7/2020 11:47 AM, cycl...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>> On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 4:58:27 PM UTC-7, Frank
>>>> Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 4/6/2020 6:43 PM, jbeattie wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 2:07:01 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When Trump was a Democrat everyone was delighted with
>>>>>>> him and all said that he had no ego at all. ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I always thought he was a dopey self-promoter,

>>>>>> regardless of his political affiliation. Another

Maybe I was not clear.

I meant that brand strategies (Henry Ford comes to mind!)
can vary a lot without being dispositive about product
quality[1] or personal character of the founder in themselves.


As an aside, you make a good point that our once sacred,
'equality of opportunity' (which I strongly embrace), is
being displaced by 'everyone gets a medal' which is not only
evil but one small step from, 'make everyone equal by
cutting the heads off the tall ones.'

[1]No opinion on quality. I've never visited a Trump
property of any kind and am extremely unlikely to do so in
future.

[Ralph Barone]

Whatever... The point of this atheist’s post was that with the
multiplicity of religions out there all praising their “One True God”, if
there is an afterlife, there’s gonna be a lot of people disappointed that
they bet on the wrong horse.

[Frank Krygowski]

This non-atheist believes that all religions and even non-religions are,
at best, tremendous simplifications. And only the most simplistic of
minds hold perfectly literal belief in every bit of their chosen dogma.

I think there is a reality beyond our personal electro-chemical
consciousness factories. But I think our chance of thoroughly
understanding that reality is about as great as a pet goldfish's chance
of understanding its owner's reality.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[news18]

On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 13:08:54 -0700, Tom Kunich wrote:


> Jay, you can't let a chance go by to show you're crazy can you? Just the
> PROPERTY that Trump owns makes him a billionaire.

Does he own them or are they owned by banks?

[AMuzi]

On 4/7/2020 5:19 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 4/7/2020 5:26 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
>> <cycl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 7:17:32 PM UTC-7, Ralph
>>> Barone wrote:
>>>>

>>>> It’s gonna be a hell of a shock when those people get

>>>> to the Pearly Gates
>>>> and find Buddha there.
>>>
>>> So among your other talents you haven't any idea of what
>>> Buddhism is?
>>>
>>

>> Whatever... The point of this atheist’s post was that

>> with the
>> multiplicity of religions out there all praising their

>> “One True God†, if
>> there is an afterlife, there’s gonna be a lot of people

>> disappointed that
>> they bet on the wrong horse.
>
> This non-atheist believes that all religions and even
> non-religions are, at best, tremendous simplifications. And
> only the most simplistic of minds hold perfectly literal
> belief in every bit of their chosen dogma.
>
> I think there is a reality beyond our personal
> electro-chemical consciousness factories. But I think our
> chance of thoroughly understanding that reality is about as
> great as a pet goldfish's chance of understanding its
> owner's reality.
>

You could embrace the new religion, face Mosinee Wisconsin
and give thanks for the sacred toilet paper we send out to
redeem the world. It's suddenly the only sacred artifact in
the nation.

(I don't understand this phenomenon either. It's mystical.)

[John B.]

So Tom, you are now a prophet of God?

Certainly we were all aware that you are a world authority on
Medicine, Education, Economics, Politics, Engineering and Bicycles
(well perhaps not bicycles, after all they have three wires. Very
complicated to connect). And now Religion.

Tell us Tommy, will we be required to bow down toward San Leandro five
times a day and recite that "There is no God but God, and Tommy is his
Prophet"; and declare Jihad on all non-believers?
--
cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

An even better question is, "Do you?"
--
cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

O.K. Tommy, I get it. First you put a great big sign on the building,
"TRUMP whatever". And than you declare bankruptcy.
--
cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 19:03:33 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 4/7/2020 5:19 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 4/7/2020 5:26 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
>>> <cycl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 7:17:32 PM UTC-7, Ralph
>>>> Barone wrote:
>>>>>

>>>>> It’s gonna be a hell of a shock when those people get

>>>>> to the Pearly Gates
>>>>> and find Buddha there.
>>>>
>>>> So among your other talents you haven't any idea of what
>>>> Buddhism is?
>>>>
>>>

>>> Whatever... The point of this atheist’s post was that

>>> with the
>>> multiplicity of religions out there all praising their

>>> “One True God�€?, if
>>> there is an afterlife, there’s gonna be a lot of people

>>> disappointed that
>>> they bet on the wrong horse.
>>
>> This non-atheist believes that all religions and even
>> non-religions are, at best, tremendous simplifications. And
>> only the most simplistic of minds hold perfectly literal
>> belief in every bit of their chosen dogma.
>>
>> I think there is a reality beyond our personal
>> electro-chemical consciousness factories. But I think our
>> chance of thoroughly understanding that reality is about as
>> great as a pet goldfish's chance of understanding its
>> owner's reality.
>>
>
>You could embrace the new religion, face Mosinee Wisconsin
>and give thanks for the sacred toilet paper we send out to
>redeem the world. It's suddenly the only sacred artifact in
>the nation.
>
>(I don't understand this phenomenon either. It's mystical.)

Did y'all "send out" toilet paper? I thought that it was hoarded by
the multitudes and was no longer available in the "the land of the
free and the home of the brave (with dirty bums)"?
--
cheers,

John B.

[AMuzi]

On 4/7/2020 8:03 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 19:03:33 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 4/7/2020 5:19 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 4/7/2020 5:26 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
>>>> <cycl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 7:17:32 PM UTC-7, Ralph
>>>>> Barone wrote:
>>>>>>

>>>>>> It’s gonna be a hell of a shock when those people get

>>>>>> to the Pearly Gates
>>>>>> and find Buddha there.
>>>>>
>>>>> So among your other talents you haven't any idea of what
>>>>> Buddhism is?
>>>>>
>>>>

>>>> Whatever... The point of this atheist’s post was that

>>>> with the
>>>> multiplicity of religions out there all praising their

>>>> “One True God�, if
>>>> there is an afterlife, there’s gonna be a lot of people

>>>> disappointed that
>>>> they bet on the wrong horse.
>>>
>>> This non-atheist believes that all religions and even
>>> non-religions are, at best, tremendous simplifications. And
>>> only the most simplistic of minds hold perfectly literal
>>> belief in every bit of their chosen dogma.
>>>
>>> I think there is a reality beyond our personal
>>> electro-chemical consciousness factories. But I think our
>>> chance of thoroughly understanding that reality is about as
>>> great as a pet goldfish's chance of understanding its
>>> owner's reality.
>>>
>>
>> You could embrace the new religion, face Mosinee Wisconsin
>> and give thanks for the sacred toilet paper we send out to
>> redeem the world. It's suddenly the only sacred artifact in
>> the nation.
>>
>> (I don't understand this phenomenon either. It's mystical.)
>
> Did y'all "send out" toilet paper? I thought that it was hoarded by
> the multitudes and was no longer available in the "the land of the
> free and the home of the brave (with dirty bums)"?

It's made all over northern Wisconsin. I just picked Mosinee
because it's a paper plant town with an unusual name. We
have more.

[Frank Krygowski]

Oh, they're sending it out. My long haul trucker friend posted a
photo of a line of tractor trailers maybe a quarter mile long. They
were lined up to pick up shipments of toilet paper.

We went to the grocery today. On the twenty foot long double shelves
that are usually filled with packs of toilet paper, we saw two packs
of Charmin (6 rolls each) and maybe 20 individual discount rolls.
We snagged one Charmin pack. Woo hoo!

One interesting aspect: If this scare suddenly ends, the toilet paper
factories will have to shut down for a month or more. Nobody will
need to buy any for a long time.

- Frank Krygowski

[Ralph Barone]

I think it will actually work out well for them. The toilet paper factories
are running flat out now. Once everybody has too much and the virus
situation continues to worsen, they can let their staff run off of their
banked overtime and stay home with pay.

[John B.]

On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 20:19:45 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 4/7/2020 8:03 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 19:03:33 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/7/2020 5:19 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 4/7/2020 5:26 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
>>>>> <cycl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 7:17:32 PM UTC-7, Ralph
>>>>>> Barone wrote:
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> It’s gonna be a hell of a shock when those people get

>>>>>>> to the Pearly Gates
>>>>>>> and find Buddha there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So among your other talents you haven't any idea of what
>>>>>> Buddhism is?
>>>>>>
>>>>>

>>>>> Whatever... The point of this atheist’s post was that

>>>>> with the
>>>>> multiplicity of religions out there all praising their

>>>>> “One True God�€?, if
>>>>> there is an afterlife, there’s gonna be a lot of people

>>>>> disappointed that
>>>>> they bet on the wrong horse.
>>>>
>>>> This non-atheist believes that all religions and even
>>>> non-religions are, at best, tremendous simplifications. And
>>>> only the most simplistic of minds hold perfectly literal
>>>> belief in every bit of their chosen dogma.
>>>>
>>>> I think there is a reality beyond our personal
>>>> electro-chemical consciousness factories. But I think our
>>>> chance of thoroughly understanding that reality is about as
>>>> great as a pet goldfish's chance of understanding its
>>>> owner's reality.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You could embrace the new religion, face Mosinee Wisconsin
>>> and give thanks for the sacred toilet paper we send out to
>>> redeem the world. It's suddenly the only sacred artifact in
>>> the nation.
>>>
>>> (I don't understand this phenomenon either. It's mystical.)
>>
>> Did y'all "send out" toilet paper? I thought that it was hoarded by
>> the multitudes and was no longer available in the "the land of the
>> free and the home of the brave (with dirty bums)"?
>
>
>It's made all over northern Wisconsin. I just picked Mosinee
>because it's a paper plant town with an unusual name. We
>have more.

There are probably toilet paper makers all along the northern portion
of the U.S., Growing up in New England I remember paper mills all
along the northern parts of Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine. Probably
still there. Wherever trees grow :-)

Out of curiosity I researched toilet paper a bit and the largest
exporting countries are Germany ($395M) and China ($323M). The U.S.
is 7th with ($188M). The largest importers are the U.S. ($375M) and
Germany ($320). China appears to import none. Note the trade imbalance
in the U.S. trade.
--
cheers,

John B.

[Joy Beeson]

On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 19:03:33 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

> (I don't understand this phenomenon either. It's mystical.)

The shortage is quite real.

Lots and lots of people used to spend more time in public places than
at home, but now nobody is going anywhere near a public toilet if he
can help it.

So the big commercial rolls are not being used. People are using
small domestic rolls instead.

The solution would be for stores that are still open to move some of
their commercial rolls from the supply closet to the merchandise
shelves, but there appears to be some overwhelming reason that they
can't do that -- at least nobody has advertised that they sell
commercial rolls.

Sherman & Lyn has a sign out front that says "TP 99c / pack".

Or they did the last time I rode a bike on Winona Avenue. A picture
of the sign has appeared in the newspaper since then.

If anybody could sell commercial rolls retail, Sherman & Lyn could.


--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

[John B.]

Perhaps the problem is that while the U.S. exports some $188 million
worth of toilet paper it imports some $375 million worth. A short fall
of some 187 million dollars worth of toilet paper. Perhaps there
really is a shortage.
--
cheers,

John B.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 08:59:01 -0700 (PDT), cycl...@yahoo.com wrote:

>Listening to people here who actually believe in Darwin, spouting religion is ridiculous.

Did you know that Usenet has its own collection of characters,
apparently modeled after various biblical characters? I wrote this
about 25 years ago. It still applies:
<http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/genesis.txt>

[Sepp Ruf]

AMuzi wrote:

- snip -

> You could embrace the new religion, face Mosinee Wisconsin
> and give thanks for the sacred toilet paper we send out to
> redeem the world. It's suddenly the only sacred artifact in
> the nation.
>
> (I don't understand this phenomenon either. It's mystical.)

Sorry buddhists, sorry Mosinee, but with Doosan and Alfa-Laval probably
being way more adept than GM in building functioning respirators, Wisconsin
needs to get rid of the invasive Holsteins, instead let the bisons roam!
Exporting toilet paper is a logical complementary industry to the dairy
industry which feeds lactose intolance that causes (up to 85%, or more, of)
excessively high-tp consumption in the first place.

TP hoarding is simple to explain, of course:

- counterphobic tendency during uncertainty about escalation of shutdowns,
curfews
- fear for cleanliness; fear of regression, loss of control; refuge in
hyperconsumerism (Freud)
- hunter and gatherer (conservation-of-resources-theory, Hobfoll)
- imitation (compared to other cart items, high visibility of tp packs,
empty tp shelves)
- high size-to-price ratio; zero risk bias; logistics limitations
- per square inch, TP even cheaper than newsprint or Greek bonds (Varoufakis)
- fall within in hierarchy of needs (Maslow; Otsuki)
- prestige; differentiation (Veblen; Bourdieu)
- preparation for natural state (Hobbes)
- egocentric narcissism (Wardetzki)
- displacement activity (Tinbergen)

[news18]

On Wed, 08 Apr 2020 12:03:23 +0200, Sepp Ruf wrote:

> AMuzi wrote:
>
> - snip -
>
>> You could embrace the new religion, face Mosinee Wisconsin and give
>> thanks for the sacred toilet paper we send out to redeem the world.
>> It's suddenly the only sacred artifact in the nation.
>>
>> (I don't understand this phenomenon either. It's mystical.)
>
> Sorry buddhists, sorry Mosinee, but with Doosan and Alfa-Laval probably
> being way more adept than GM in building functioning respirators,
> Wisconsin needs to get rid of the invasive Holsteins, instead let the
> bisons roam! Exporting toilet paper is a logical complementary industry
> to the dairy industry which feeds lactose intolance that causes (up to
> 85%, or more, of) excessively high-tp consumption in the first place.

OTOH, that woud mean that if Alfa-Laval game up with a process to turn
the other product of the dairy and feed lot industies, atm it woud make a
killing.

i'm just wondering how much bleaching it would need to make it customer
acceptance.

[AMuzi]

I know nothing about it but it way well be that, like
bicycles and crude oil, the export product and the import
product are very different, hence 'volume' in both
directions for different markets.

In steel for example we import raw slab and export
stainless, maraging and other alloys, finished roll and so
on. To an outside observer the numbers look like 'steel in,
steel out'.

[Frank Krygowski]

+1

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Tom Kunich]

Buddhism doesn't offer an afterlife. It is a way of life that also happens to pretty much align with Christianity. This is why so many Indians and Chinese converted to Christianity

[Tom Kunich]

So among your other talents or lack of such, you cannot look it up?

[Tom Kunich]

Not as mystical as you might think. People are normally gone for at least half the day. Not that they are home most of the time they are using toilet paper a lot more than usual instead of the cheaply made commercial stuff used in businesses. There is little actual hording but the increased demand for the far higher quality home stuff that is causing a shortage which the idiots are blaming on hording. I actually used to have a higher storage of toilet paper than I presently do and should I discover a source for Charmin or Great Northern or Cottonelle would grab a package and pass the lower quality off to my step daughters with children. I approached the supermarket the other day and there was this long line waiting to enter the store when it opened. I was only there to see if they had a shipment of the higher quality toilet paper and some paper towels. They had good paper towels but it was in a giant 8 roll so that was all I got. When I entered the store this crowd was shouting "wait your turn" - TO ENTER A STORE??? This is how whacked out these people have become. They then enter the store and handle every can or bottle on the shelf and think that they couldn't catch the covid-19 because they stand 6 feet or more away from people.

When the Democrats are saying that it has just started and that it will reoccur next fall you can bet that they are attempting to elicit fear among the population and that makes me full-on against the Democrats.

[Tom Kunich]

Ralph, It appears that 3 out of 4 people have immune systems that react very rapidly to this virus and they cannot become infected. They are primed by the fact that Covid-19 is very similar to the cold virus so immunity is pretty much built-in.

Of the 25% of the population left, 80% of them had no or very mild symptoms. The remaining 20% is unclear since they are not properly testing people but it appears that the virus CAN be fatal to about 3% of them however the treatment methods look to be working very well. Perhaps this is the reason that there seems to be a sharp drop in fatalities. Though perhaps it can be more widespread testing which increases the baseline and makes the mortality rate calculations.

What if rather than 80% having little to no symptoms, only 5% do and only 3% of those are in danger? And treatment appears to be working on 80% of those?

I am quite upset at the apparently total fake claims from the CDC. It now appears that we will have fewer than 10% of the predicted fatalities from the CDC and that is not just room for error but totally missing the mark.

[Tom Kunich]

Safeway is doing that and it feels like sandpaper.

[Tom Kunich]

While that is clever it isn't accurate. The internet chat groups used to have quite intellectual discussions because it was mostly limited to technical people. That ended with the more general public who most often ranted anonymously. People like Frank who attempts to take out all of his own life's failures on the rest of the universe. I rather feel sorry for these people but that doesn't mean I won't return their insults with insults.

[Tom Kunich]

Sepp, I designed and programmed medical instruments. Ventilators are so simple anyone could build them and chances are that GM or Ford could build a better product since they are FAR more used to interchangeable and replaceable parts. Washing ventilator tubes is a pretty bad idea since it is nearly impossible to clean inside the pores of the material. It is far superior to have replaceable and very cheap disposable parts that come into contact to a patient.

[jbeattie]

How would you propose doing that? Mortgage loan balances are not shown in an ordinary title search and certainly not on the tax rolls. Should we search for all properties potentially owned by the Trump Organization and then request pay-off statements from the respective lenders with filed trust deeds or mortgages? As far as we know, the guy could have zero equity in any property. That's certainly unlikely, but there is no way of knowing unless someone can hack his records and get a recent balance sheet or loan application or current loan balances from lenders.

-- Jay Beattie.

[AMuzi]

My brother the anaesthesiologist says that if your average
guy had a respirator and an unable-to-breathe patient the
patient would be dead by morning. The operator, (much like
pilots/aircraft in WWII) is a critical item and in short
supply compared to machines.

That said, CDC has been so deeply wrong about everything -no
better than a dartboard and arguably worse- that I will bet
real money the excess of needed respirators will get deeper
in the next couple of years with no point at which there is
a shortage in USA.

(Will some guy die because the respirator is in a different
wing of the building or across town or all the pulmonary
techs are taken? Probably. But in aggregate an excess, no
shortage.)

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 10:26:58 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 12:23:47 AM UTC-7, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 08:59:01 -0700 (PDT), cycl...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> >Listening to people here who actually believe in Darwin, spouting religion is ridiculous.
>>
>> Did you know that Usenet has its own collection of characters,
>> apparently modeled after various biblical characters? I wrote this
>> about 25 years ago. It still applies:
>> <http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/genesis.txt>

>While that is clever it isn't accurate.

I'll take that as a half-compliment. Thanks/2

>The internet chat groups used to have quite intellectual discussions
>because it was mostly limited to technical people.

I ran a small Usenet node using Bnews 2.11 in about the late 1980's,
when there were only 16 newsgroups. I was one of the early users of
the AT&T ihnp4, seismo, and later UUNET passing traffic with Telebit
modems over dialup using UUCP. Please don't lecture me on the manner
of the early discussions and operations. The reason everyone was
exceptionally polite was due to the fragile nature of the network,
which was heavily dependent on the good graces of the large companies
that operated the major network nodes for free. Everyone was afraid
of losing access to these nodes. It would be a big stretch to suggest
that (for example) seismo, which was the Center for Seismological
Studies somewhere in Virginia was somehow sponsoring a USENET node for
the purpose of "research".

>That ended with the more general public who most often ranted
>anonymously.

The problem was that all the major commercial network providers had a
clause in their contracts that prevent their customers from reselling
bandwidth. If a company contracted with (for example) BARRNET, they
could not setup a BBS to redistribute bandwidth or content to their
customers. This changed literally overnight when Sprint, possibly by
accident, removed this clause from their contracts, and opened the
flood gates to individuals reselling or just giving away bandwidth.
Even so, the GUM (great unwashed masses) took a long time to learn how
to use USENET. It wasn't until the World Wide Web and web browsers
arrived, that the GUM was able to actually use the web for rants (such
as this). My guess(tm) about 1994. Certainly, USENET has its Green
Card Lawyer spammers, and there were attempts to subvert the system
for commercial gain, but as I recall, these were the exceptions rather
than the rule.

Incidentally, there was a very good for anonymity. A major USENET
restriction was that there should not be any commercial traffic
through publicly funded nodes, such as universities. Since the
traffic was not segregated between commercial and non-commercial, it
was expedient to have all traffic be non-commercial. Also, to avoid
getting fired for making disparaging remarks about one's employer or
irritating various politicians, it was necessary to hide one's
identity. So, "munging" email addresses and names became common
practice.

>People like Frank who attempts to take out all of his own life's
>failures on the rest of the universe. I rather feel sorry for
>these people but that doesn't mean I won't return their insults
>with insults.

That's fine. Please continue to run your life in any manner you see
fit, but forgive me if I don't join you in your attempted insults.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

On Monday, April 6, 2020 at 8:29:13 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 13:52:02 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"

> < wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 11:11:35 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> >>
> >> 'For every room in heaven, there's one just like it in hell
> >> for someone else.'
> >>

> >> --
> >> Andrew Muzi
> >> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> >> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> >

> >Not sure how to interpret this. Does it mean the rooms in heaven are really, really bad? Or the rooms in hell are really, really good? And your statement implies an exact 50/50 split between heaven and hell. 1 out of 2 are going to burn in hell. And the other half are going to be happy in heaven. Based on my observations over the years, I can believe the amount going to hell. But 50% gong to heaven seems too optimistic.
>
> I was once told by an individual that had attended a Catholic collage
> that all of those who did not worship the Christian God were bound for
> Hell, that is currently 68% of the world's population who will be
> taking the "down" elevator.
> --
> cheers,
>
> John B.

You think 32% of the world population is Christian or Jewish? I think that is way too high a percentage. China and India are well over one billion each. Neither is a Christian nation. And all those other densely populated southeast Asian countries are not Christian. Don't think Africa has many Christians. Not Japan either. Not the middle east. The only Christian/Jew parts of the world are Europe, South American, North America, Australia, Israel. They might make up 25% of the world population. Then deduct all of the non believers and other believing immigrants from those populations. You are down to 10-15% of the world population believing in a Christian, Jew god. Not 32%.

[Tom Kunich]

That was meant as a compliment and not a Half" compliment. I still understand sarcasm when I see it rather than the entire lack of a sense of humor on the left due to their plain view of their impending very large losses come November.

I don't remember hardly important disagreements in the early internet such as outlook groups. In fact, until I got of this group and encountered Jobst who I had actually ridden with I didn't see much problems. Jobst would call out people for saying what tire pressure they were running. Riding with him he would descend so rapidly that people would be dragging their feet in corners and then he could hop over a trench onto what we would call a gravel trail not through they were so hardpacked that road would be closer to it. He got very angry because I criticized this method of riding since rank beginners would show up on his rides. At one point he published by name and address which was really my mothers address while I lived 25 miles away. One night someone put a bag of turds on her porch and lit it on fire and rang the doorbell. Luckily she had the presence of mind to throw water on it and not try to stamp it out.

So I saw the start of these sorts of things up close and personal. Jobst must have been a good engineer because he was otherwise a real asshole.

[Tom Kunich]

Atheism and agnosticism do not count.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 10:45:15 AM UTC-5, cycl...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> You are entitled to vote for anyone you like. Using entitlement to vote for Romney who is the very picture of entitlement is a perfect demonstration of your inability to understand the political class and why people voted for Trump.
>
> I know, tell us he is racist, xenophobic and calls everyone deplorables and smelly Walmart shoppers.

Entitlement? Romney made his money in Bain Capital. A buyout company. He bought and then sold companies. Making millions and millions on each deal. Trump inherited his daddy's real estate company. Which one is more entitled, pampered, babied? Trump's daddy got him his military deferments, bad feet medical exemption, Wharton admittance. Romney also got deferments.

[AMuzi]

You underestimate African Christian culture I think:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/05/christians-remain-worlds-largest-religious-group-but-they-are-declining-in-europe/

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 3:08:57 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> Trump's tax cuts were not supposed to help you. Is that what ticks you off? That people in the top 10% actually lost money in the so-called tax cuts? That they were designed to help America and not some dumb ass special interest group. For the first time in modern history a President worked FOR the electorate and that's what you don't like.
>
>

You think the people in the top 10% income actually lost money due to the 2018 Tax Act? And you have been touting yourself on this board as being a genius and super smart. The top 10% income own about 90% of all the stock market. And the 2018 Tax Act cut the corporate tax rate to 20%. Big reduction. So corporations instantly had more profit. And that usually translates to higher stock prices. Of course in 2018 Trump caused the SP500, Dow, Nasdaq to all lose money.

As for working for the Electorate, when did companies get a vote? Did the Republicans pass that law recently? Giving votes to companies based on how much money they donated to Trump? The 2018 Tax Act was a corporate tax cut.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

True I did forget about the African Christian connection. My Mom's church/faith gets lots of ministers from Africa and the Philippines. And sends money and missionaries to Africa. But I'm still sticking with my statement that 32% of the world is not Christian/Jewish. I'm sure the billion plus in India are not Christian. And I'm equally positive the billion plus in China and the rest of Asia are not Christian. So that is 50% of the world's total population gone right there.