Re: [Randon] Training for us older riders.
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John Hughes
May 25, 2011, 3:43:02 PM5/25/11
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Jan Heine wrote:
"None of us can train "optimally." Making the best of the limited time
most of us have is one of the (positive) challenges of our sport,"
I beg to differ - we all have limitations of real life, age, etc. - and we can either do the optimal training given those limitations, or we waste time and effort.
I posted the article about Pete Lekisch training for solo RAAM not to bring up more pontificating about randonneuring vs. racing. I've derived great satisfaction from both for 35 years. The point of the article - which I hope won't be missed - is that as we get older, how we train should also change. What works in the 40s doesn't work as well in the 50s ... or 60s.
Respectfully,
John Hughes
www.coach-hughes.com
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Cheers,
John Hughes
www.coach-hughes.com
PO Box 18028
Boulder, CO 80308-1028
"None of us can train "optimally." Making the best of the limited time
most of us have is one of the (positive) challenges of our sport,"
I beg to differ - we all have limitations of real life, age, etc. - and we can either do the optimal training given those limitations, or we waste time and effort.
I posted the article about Pete Lekisch training for solo RAAM not to bring up more pontificating about randonneuring vs. racing. I've derived great satisfaction from both for 35 years. The point of the article - which I hope won't be missed - is that as we get older, how we train should also change. What works in the 40s doesn't work as well in the 50s ... or 60s.
Respectfully,
John Hughes
www.coach-hughes.com
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 12:09 PM, <randon+...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Group: http://groups.google.com/group/randon/topics
- reading USB voltage with Garmin 800 [4 Updates]
- Garmin Edge 500 charging [1 Update]
- Older Riders; Finishing Rides [5 Updates]
- Edelux quit working [2 Updates]
- Selle An-atomica Made in USA? (& Still look for a proper saddle) [1 Update]
Ken Shoemaker <k...@ieee.org> May 24 07:44PM -0700 ^
Does anybody know whether (and how) you can read the USB voltage from a
Garmin 800? I'm using 4 AA batteries to run the device on the bike and
I'd like to get some idea of the state of the external batteries.
Ken
Scott Allen <sall...@pacbell.net> May 25 07:44AM -0700 ^
I have seen a lot of talk about the recharging or other power sources for the Garmin devices.
I see today that someone on E-bay is selling a device for this purposehttp://cgi.ebay.com/AA-Battery-Charger-Garmin-EDGE-500-/220736334694?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3364e92b66
The device is from a company called Gomadic
* Use 4 standard or rechargeable AA batteries to power your device. A convenient portable charging solution
* Engineered with reverse polairty battery insert protection. Full lifetime warranty
* Advanced internal circuitry prevents device from power surges / overcharging with additional short-circuiting
* TipExchange Technology protects investment providing means to upgrade charger tips at lower cost (Tip Included)
* This is a 2nd Generation design providing reliable charge for your EDGE 500
Anyone using this model and how well does it work?
Thanks
Scott Allen
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Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 7:44 PM
Subject: [Randon] reading USB voltage with Garmin 800
Does anybody know whether (and how) you can read the USB voltage from a Garmin 800? I'm using 4 AA batteries to run the device on the bike and I'd like to get some idea of the state of the external batteries.
Ken
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Jacques Bilinski <jacques_...@yahoo.com> May 25 09:31AM -0700 ^
If you are asking if the Garmin 800 can display the input USB voltage,
I don't know. But I'm sure there are very compact external devices
that can display the state of charge of 4 AA cells. I would search in
the radio control modeling sites for something like this. I've seen
little devices that display state of charge using a coloured LED bar
graph which RC hobyists use to display the voltage of their reciever
batteries.
Jacques Bilinski <jacques_...@yahoo.com> May 25 09:41AM -0700 ^
By the way there is a device called a "Watts Up" meter which is
installed inline between the battery and the load and measures a
number of things including the total energy used. I got one thinking
I'd use it for bike lights as a 'gas guage' to let me know how much
energy is left in my batteries and enable me to better optimize the
use of hi and lo settings on my bike lights. As it turns out however
it won't be useful as it is not accurate enough at low power settings.
I'm using an IXON IQ speed which only use 1/2W at the low power
setting. The meter is optimised for electric motors used by RC
hobyists with power in the 100s of Watts.
Topic: Garmin Edge 500 charginglj mangin <lj.m...@gmail.com> May 25 09:42AM -0600 ^
I use a Garmin Edge 500 for brevets but its shortcoming for longer
rando-rides is that it does not seem to be usable while charging. Once it
is plugged in to a wall socket, car charger, USB, etc. it goes into charge
mode and resets. I am thinking that dynamo hub charging would be great, has
anyone charged their Edge 500 this way and maintained functionality?
Thanks,
John M
1679
Chris Heg <che...@comcast.net> May 24 09:05PM -0700 ^
"Work on Your Limiters: Older athletes are generally also very busy;
we don’t have time to waste in training. We need to spend our limited
time working on our specific weaknesses.
During Team RAAM Peter had some trouble with the sustained climbs in
the Rockies. When he moved to Texas, he bought an hypobaric chamber so
that he could sleep at 9,000 feet! The result was a slow increase in
his hematocrit. Then in May he spent 10 days in Colorado, learning to
pace himself on long climbs."
"Peter was fortunate: he could retire and devote most of his time and
energy to preparing for RAAM “just like it was my job.” If we want to
train effectively for ultra events, we need to manage all that aspects
of our lives that can potentially add up to a severe overload."
Nice work if you can get it.
Jan Heine <hei...@earthlink.net> May 24 09:23PM -0700 ^
At 9:05 PM -0700 5/24/11, Chris Heg wrote:
>train effectively for ultra events, we need to manage all that aspects
>of our lives that can potentially add up to a severe overload."
>Nice work if you can get it.
I find that one of the nice part of randonneuring is that we all are
"amateurs" in the best sense of the word - normal people with real
jobs, real families, and real interests beyond cycling.
When I was racing, it was interesting that the higher I got in the
racing ranks, the less interesting I found the people with whom I
spent my weekends. That was the main reason why I "retired."
Among randonneurs, there never is a lack for interesting conversation.
None of us can train "optimally." Making the best of the limited time
most of us have is one of the (positive) challenges of our sport,
just like navigating with a cue sheet and planning one's food for a
long, unsupported ride.
To me, those things are the main differences to RAAM and similar
events, where it's all about athletic performance, and an entire
support crew is there to take care of all the other elements -
elements that I enjoy in a randonneur brevet.
Jan Heine
Editor
Bicycle Quarterly
http://www.bikequarterly.com
Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/
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Erik Nilsson <erik.nilss...@gmail.com> May 24 11:17PM -0700 ^
I recently finished Daniel Pink's book _Drive_ and am now reading
Christopher McDougall's _Born to Run_ (Both borrowed from my wife.)
The two books make similar points in very different contexts: getting
really good at a difficult thing almost always requires a lot of time.
It's very hard to use all that time productively unless you love what
you're doing. McDougall makes the point that at the same time Kenya
came on the scene as a marathon powerhouse, American marathoners
actually got slower. Literally, slower. The difference according to
McDougall? Sponsorship. For Americans, marathoning stopped being the
crazy thing that helped you forget your jerk boss and *became* your
jerk boss.
Joe Friel reminds me of Bill Bowerman in his commitment to controlled
experiment, and I find that valuable. What I don't like so much about
Joe is, he makes the training world sound so joyless. I think in real
life he's less extreme, but I think Bill's runners had more fun, and
when Bill coached a runner named Pre, he learned something about how
important joy and desire were. Bill's eulogy for Pre in 1975 says it
all:
"All my life, man and boy, I've operated under the assumption that the
main idea in running was to win the race. Naturally, when I became a
coach I tried to teach people how to do that. Tried to teach Pre how
to do that. Tried like hell to teach Pre to do that. And Pre taught
me. Taught me I was wrong. Pre, you see, was troubled by knowing that
a mediocre effort can win a race and a magnificent effort can lose
one. Winning a race wouldn't necessarily demand that he give it
everything he had from start to finish. He never ran any other way. I
couldn't get him to, and God knows I tried . . . but . . . Pre was
stubborn. He insisted on holding himself to a higher standard than
victory. 'A race is a work of art' is what he said and what he
believed and he was out to make it one every step of the way.
Of course he wanted to win. Those who saw Pre compete or who competed
against him were never in doubt how much he wanted to win. But HOW he
won mattered to him more. Pre thought I was a hard case. But he
finally got it through my head that the real purpose of running isn't
to win a race. It's to test to the limits of the human heart. That he
did . . . No one did it more often. No one did it better."
As randonneurs, we are not out to defeat each other, so much as defeat
our inner demons or pursue whyever it is we ride. I don't think my
rides are works of art, but crafts at least. I can look back on my
mental GPS path, moments shared and moments alone, and be satisfied.
Charles Coldwell <cold...@gmail.com> May 25 08:35AM -0400 ^
> During Team RAAM Peter had some trouble with the sustained climbs in
> the Rockies. When he moved to Texas, he bought an hypobaric chamber so
> that he could sleep at 9,000 feet!
EPO would have been cheaper.
--
Charles M. Coldwell, W1CMC
"Turn on, log in, tune out"
Belmont, Massachusetts, New England (FN42jj)
GPG ID: 852E052F
GPG FPR: 77E5 2B51 4907 F08A 7E92 DE80 AFA9 9A8F 852E 052F
Jan Heine <hei...@earthlink.net> May 25 07:09AM -0700 ^
At 11:17 PM -0700 5/24/11, Erik Nilsson wrote:
>one. He insisted on holding himself to a higher standard than
>victory. 'A race is a work of art' is what he said and what he
>believed and he was out to make it one every step of the way.
I think that describes randonneuring for me! Giving it all I have is
what it is about. It doesn't matter how fast or slow others ride.
It's an absolute, not a relative effort.
I agree that in racing, there is nothing less satisfying than winning
a race against weak competition. Fortunately, in randonneuring, there
is no competition, just personal effort.
Jan Heine
Editor
Bicycle Quarterly
http://www.bikequarterly.com
Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/
Topic: Edelux quit workingroadijeff <road...@aol.com> May 25 02:19AM -0700 ^
> the Edelux. My guess is that if you don't have something shielding the
> underside of the Edelux from the spray coming off of the wheel (like
> fenders), then you may very well be having problems.
Bill,
I have my Edelux mounted in the same location. I do not ride with
fenders (never have and never will) and I have been through enough
rainy weather over the 2-3 years I've had my Edelux that if it had a
water leak I'm sure it would have shown up by now.
Ken Shoemaker <k...@ieee.org> May 24 07:41PM -0700 ^
Mine is mounted on the left fork, maybe 1/4 the way from the axle to the
rim. I expect that it could get plenty wet there but it had survived
several storms before it finally succumbed to the elements in a storm
that really wasn't that bad. I am wondering whether it raining through
dawn caused an issue as the lamp cooled down while things were still
very wet? Maybe I'm over thinking the problem?
I am loathe to move it from the location on the fork as it makes for
excellent visibility to road hazards. Hopefully, the replacement from
Peter White will have the moisture issues resolved. My backup is a
Denotte that uses 4xAA batteries which survived PBP2007 and got me
through the SFR600k this year.
Ken
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There's also the Nitto S84.
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Chris Heg
May 25, 2011, 10:50:24 PM5/25/11
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I appreciate your offering us advice on how to train for long events.
While I'm not sure that Pete Lekisch is the right role model for me
personally for various reasons, I think we share the desire to do
challenging things. That is a thread that binds randos, ultra racers,
mountaineers, ocean voyagers, marathon runners, and many others.
I am curious; do you get many randonneurs as clients? The ones I know
seem pretty hardheaded and individualistic. I can understand ultra
racers, triathletes, and maybe Charlie Miller aspirants hiring coaches
but middling randos like me tend to learn most things from word of
mouth and by making their own their mistakes. Am I wrong?
BTW: in your article in the current issue of American Randonneur I'm
having trouble understanding the Plan C table . It looks like:
Break 1 week
Peaking 3 weeks
Break 3 weeks
Taper 3 weeks
Is that right?
On May 25, 12:43 pm, John Hughes <coachjohnhug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jan Heine wrote:
>
> "None of us can train "optimally." Making the best of the limited time
> most of us have is one of the (positive) challenges of our sport,"
>
> I beg to differ - we all have limitations of real life, age, etc. - and we
> can either do the optimal training given those limitations, or we waste time
> and effort.
>
> I posted the article about Pete Lekisch training for solo RAAM not to bring
> up more pontificating about randonneuring vs. racing. I've derived great
> satisfaction from both for 35 years. The point of the article - which I
> hope won't be missed - is that as we get older, how we train should also
> change. What works in the 40s doesn't work as well in the 50s ... or 60s.
>
> Respectfully,
> John Hugheswww.coach-hughes.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 12:09 PM, <randon+...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> > Today's Topic Summary
>
> > Group:http://groups.google.com/group/randon/topics
>
> > - reading USB voltage with Garmin 800<#1302858792c5b3fd_group_thread_0>[4 Updates]
> > - Garmin Edge 500 charging <#1302858792c5b3fd_group_thread_1> [1
> > Update]
> > - Older Riders; Finishing Rides <#1302858792c5b3fd_group_thread_2> [5
> > Updates]
> > - Edelux quit working <#1302858792c5b3fd_group_thread_3> [2 Updates]
> > - Selle An-atomica Made in USA? (& Still look for a proper saddle)<#1302858792c5b3fd_group_thread_4>[1 Update]
>
> > Topic: reading USB voltage with Garmin 800<http://groups.google.com/group/randon/t/c188f05c6fc80e89>
>
> > Ken Shoemaker <k...@ieee.org> May 24 07:44PM -0700 ^<#1302858792c5b3fd_digest_top>
> > Jacques Bilinski <jacques_bilin...@yahoo.com> May 25 09:31AM -0700 ^<#1302858792c5b3fd_digest_top>
>
> > lj mangin <lj.man...@gmail.com> May 25 09:42AM -0600 ^<#1302858792c5b3fd_digest_top>
>
> > Chris Heg <che...@comcast.net> May 24 09:05PM -0700 ^<#1302858792c5b3fd_digest_top>
> > Erik Nilsson <erik.nilsson.poph...@gmail.com> May 24 11:17PM -0700 ^<#1302858792c5b3fd_digest_top>
> > Charles Coldwell <coldw...@gmail.com> May 25 08:35AM -0400 ^<#1302858792c5b3fd_digest_top>
>
> > Topic: Edelux quit working<http://groups.google.com/group/randon/t/978459c7e16fba3e>
>
> > roadijeff <roadij...@aol.com> May 25 02:19AM -0700 ^<#1302858792c5b3fd_digest_top>
>
> > "i.kel...@gmail.com" <i.kel...@gmail.com> May 25 07:13AM +0100 ^<#1302858792c5b3fd_digest_top>
While I'm not sure that Pete Lekisch is the right role model for me
personally for various reasons, I think we share the desire to do
challenging things. That is a thread that binds randos, ultra racers,
mountaineers, ocean voyagers, marathon runners, and many others.
I am curious; do you get many randonneurs as clients? The ones I know
seem pretty hardheaded and individualistic. I can understand ultra
racers, triathletes, and maybe Charlie Miller aspirants hiring coaches
but middling randos like me tend to learn most things from word of
mouth and by making their own their mistakes. Am I wrong?
BTW: in your article in the current issue of American Randonneur I'm
having trouble understanding the Plan C table . It looks like:
Break 1 week
Peaking 3 weeks
Break 3 weeks
Taper 3 weeks
Is that right?
On May 25, 12:43 pm, John Hughes <coachjohnhug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jan Heine wrote:
>
> "None of us can train "optimally." Making the best of the limited time
> most of us have is one of the (positive) challenges of our sport,"
>
> I beg to differ - we all have limitations of real life, age, etc. - and we
> can either do the optimal training given those limitations, or we waste time
> and effort.
>
> I posted the article about Pete Lekisch training for solo RAAM not to bring
> up more pontificating about randonneuring vs. racing. I've derived great
> satisfaction from both for 35 years. The point of the article - which I
> hope won't be missed - is that as we get older, how we train should also
> change. What works in the 40s doesn't work as well in the 50s ... or 60s.
>
> Respectfully,
> John Hugheswww.coach-hughes.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 12:09 PM, <randon+...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> > Today's Topic Summary
>
> > Group:http://groups.google.com/group/randon/topics
>
> > - Garmin Edge 500 charging <#1302858792c5b3fd_group_thread_1> [1
> > Update]
> > - Older Riders; Finishing Rides <#1302858792c5b3fd_group_thread_2> [5
> > Updates]
> > - Edelux quit working <#1302858792c5b3fd_group_thread_3> [2 Updates]
> > - Selle An-atomica Made in USA? (& Still look for a proper saddle)<#1302858792c5b3fd_group_thread_4>[1 Update]
>
> > Topic: reading USB voltage with Garmin 800<http://groups.google.com/group/randon/t/c188f05c6fc80e89>
>
> > Ken Shoemaker <k...@ieee.org> May 24 07:44PM -0700 ^<#1302858792c5b3fd_digest_top>
>
> > Does anybody know whether (and how) you can read the USB voltage from a
>
> > Garmin 800? I'm using 4 AA batteries to run the device on the bike and
> > I'd like to get some idea of the state of the external batteries.
>
> > Ken
>
> > Scott Allen <salle...@pacbell.net> May 25 07:44AM -0700 ^<#1302858792c5b3fd_digest_top>
> > Does anybody know whether (and how) you can read the USB voltage from a
>
> > Garmin 800? I'm using 4 AA batteries to run the device on the bike and
> > I'd like to get some idea of the state of the external batteries.
>
> > Ken
>
>
> > I have seen a lot of talk about the recharging or other power sources
> > for the Garmin devices.
> > I see today that someone on E-bay is selling a device for this purpose
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/AA-Battery-Charger-Garmin-EDGE-500-/220736334694?...
> > I have seen a lot of talk about the recharging or other power sources
> > for the Garmin devices.
> > I see today that someone on E-bay is selling a device for this purpose
>
> > If you are asking if the Garmin 800 can display the input USB voltage,
> > I don't know. But I'm sure there are very compact external devices
> > that can display the state of charge of 4 AA cells. I would search in
> > the radio control modeling sites for something like this. I've seen
> > little devices that display state of charge using a coloured LED bar
> > graph which RC hobyists use to display the voltage of their reciever
> > batteries.
>
> > Jacques Bilinski <jacques_bilin...@yahoo.com> May 25 09:41AM -0700 ^<#1302858792c5b3fd_digest_top>
> > If you are asking if the Garmin 800 can display the input USB voltage,
> > I don't know. But I'm sure there are very compact external devices
> > that can display the state of charge of 4 AA cells. I would search in
> > the radio control modeling sites for something like this. I've seen
> > little devices that display state of charge using a coloured LED bar
> > graph which RC hobyists use to display the voltage of their reciever
> > batteries.
>
>
> > By the way there is a device called a "Watts Up" meter which is
> > installed inline between the battery and the load and measures a
> > number of things including the total energy used. I got one thinking
> > I'd use it for bike lights as a 'gas guage' to let me know how much
> > energy is left in my batteries and enable me to better optimize the
> > use of hi and lo settings on my bike lights. As it turns out however
> > it won't be useful as it is not accurate enough at low power settings.
> > I'm using an IXON IQ speed which only use 1/2W at the low power
> > setting. The meter is optimised for electric motors used by RC
> > hobyists with power in the 100s of Watts.
>
> > Topic: Garmin Edge 500 charging<http://groups.google.com/group/randon/t/75c8f6e815accae1>
> > By the way there is a device called a "Watts Up" meter which is
> > installed inline between the battery and the load and measures a
> > number of things including the total energy used. I got one thinking
> > I'd use it for bike lights as a 'gas guage' to let me know how much
> > energy is left in my batteries and enable me to better optimize the
> > use of hi and lo settings on my bike lights. As it turns out however
> > it won't be useful as it is not accurate enough at low power settings.
> > I'm using an IXON IQ speed which only use 1/2W at the low power
> > setting. The meter is optimised for electric motors used by RC
> > hobyists with power in the 100s of Watts.
>
>
> > lj mangin <lj.man...@gmail.com> May 25 09:42AM -0600 ^<#1302858792c5b3fd_digest_top>
>
> > I use a Garmin Edge 500 for brevets but its shortcoming for longer
> > rando-rides is that it does not seem to be usable while charging. Once
> > it
> > is plugged in to a wall socket, car charger, USB, etc. it goes into
> > charge
> > mode and resets. I am thinking that dynamo hub charging would be great,
> > has
> > anyone charged their Edge 500 this way and maintained functionality?
> > Thanks,
> > John M
> > 1679
>
> > Topic: Older Riders; Finishing Rides<http://groups.google.com/group/randon/t/45f4417a2e0052ab>
> > I use a Garmin Edge 500 for brevets but its shortcoming for longer
> > rando-rides is that it does not seem to be usable while charging. Once
> > it
> > is plugged in to a wall socket, car charger, USB, etc. it goes into
> > charge
> > mode and resets. I am thinking that dynamo hub charging would be great,
> > has
> > anyone charged their Edge 500 this way and maintained functionality?
> > Thanks,
> > John M
> > 1679
>
>
> > Chris Heg <che...@comcast.net> May 24 09:05PM -0700 ^<#1302858792c5b3fd_digest_top>
>
> > "Work on Your Limiters: Older athletes are generally also very busy;
> > we don’t have time to waste in training. We need to spend our limited
> > time working on our specific weaknesses.
> > During Team RAAM Peter had some trouble with the sustained climbs in
> > the Rockies. When he moved to Texas, he bought an hypobaric chamber so
> > that he could sleep at 9,000 feet! The result was a slow increase in
> > his hematocrit. Then in May he spent 10 days in Colorado, learning to
> > pace himself on long climbs."
>
> > "Peter was fortunate: he could retire and devote most of his time and
> > energy to preparing for RAAM “just like it was my job.” If we want to
> > train effectively for ultra events, we need to manage all that aspects
> > of our lives that can potentially add up to a severe overload."
>
> > Nice work if you can get it.
>
> > Jan Heine <hein...@earthlink.net> May 24 09:23PM -0700 ^<#1302858792c5b3fd_digest_top>
> > "Work on Your Limiters: Older athletes are generally also very busy;
> > we don’t have time to waste in training. We need to spend our limited
> > time working on our specific weaknesses.
> > During Team RAAM Peter had some trouble with the sustained climbs in
> > the Rockies. When he moved to Texas, he bought an hypobaric chamber so
> > that he could sleep at 9,000 feet! The result was a slow increase in
> > his hematocrit. Then in May he spent 10 days in Colorado, learning to
> > pace himself on long climbs."
>
> > "Peter was fortunate: he could retire and devote most of his time and
> > energy to preparing for RAAM “just like it was my job.” If we want to
> > train effectively for ultra events, we need to manage all that aspects
> > of our lives that can potentially add up to a severe overload."
>
> > Nice work if you can get it.
>
>
> > > During Team RAAM Peter had some trouble with the sustained climbs in
> > > the Rockies. When he moved to Texas, he bought an hypobaric chamber
> > so
> > > that he could sleep at 9,000 feet!
>
> > EPO would have been cheaper.
>
> > --
> > Charles M. Coldwell, W1CMC
> > "Turn on, log in, tune out"
> > Belmont, Massachusetts, New England (FN42jj)
>
> > GPG ID: 852E052F
> > GPG FPR: 77E5 2B51 4907 F08A 7E92 DE80 AFA9 9A8F 852E 052F
>
> > Jan Heine <hein...@earthlink.net> May 25 07:09AM -0700 ^<#1302858792c5b3fd_digest_top>
> > > During Team RAAM Peter had some trouble with the sustained climbs in
> > > the Rockies. When he moved to Texas, he bought an hypobaric chamber
> > so
> > > that he could sleep at 9,000 feet!
>
> > EPO would have been cheaper.
>
> > --
> > Charles M. Coldwell, W1CMC
> > "Turn on, log in, tune out"
> > Belmont, Massachusetts, New England (FN42jj)
>
> > GPG ID: 852E052F
> > GPG FPR: 77E5 2B51 4907 F08A 7E92 DE80 AFA9 9A8F 852E 052F
>
>
> > At 11:17 PM -0700 5/24/11, Erik Nilsson wrote:
>
> > >one. He insisted on holding himself to a higher standard than
> > >victory. 'A race is a work of art' is what he said and what he
> > >believed and he was out to make it one every step of the way.
>
> > I think that describes randonneuring for me! Giving it all I have is
> > what it is about. It doesn't matter how fast or slow others ride.
> > It's an absolute, not a relative effort.
>
> > I agree that in racing, there is nothing less satisfying than winning
> > a race against weak competition. Fortunately, in randonneuring, there
> > is no competition, just personal effort.
>
> > Jan Heine
> > Editor
> > Bicycle Quarterly
> > http://www.bikequarterly.com
>
> > Follow our blog athttp://janheine.wordpress.com/
> > At 11:17 PM -0700 5/24/11, Erik Nilsson wrote:
>
> > >one. He insisted on holding himself to a higher standard than
> > >victory. 'A race is a work of art' is what he said and what he
> > >believed and he was out to make it one every step of the way.
>
> > I think that describes randonneuring for me! Giving it all I have is
> > what it is about. It doesn't matter how fast or slow others ride.
> > It's an absolute, not a relative effort.
>
> > I agree that in racing, there is nothing less satisfying than winning
> > a race against weak competition. Fortunately, in randonneuring, there
> > is no competition, just personal effort.
>
> > Jan Heine
> > Editor
> > Bicycle Quarterly
> > http://www.bikequarterly.com
>
>
> > Topic: Edelux quit working<http://groups.google.com/group/randon/t/978459c7e16fba3e>
>
> > roadijeff <roadij...@aol.com> May 25 02:19AM -0700 ^<#1302858792c5b3fd_digest_top>
>
> > > the Edelux. My guess is that if you don't have something shielding
> > the
> > > underside of the Edelux from the spray coming off of the wheel (like
> > > fenders), then you may very well be having problems.
>
> > Bill,
>
> > I have my Edelux mounted in the same location. I do not ride with
> > fenders (never have and never will) and I have been through enough
> > rainy weather over the 2-3 years I've had my Edelux that if it had a
> > water leak I'm sure it would have shown up by now.
>
> > Ken Shoemaker <k...@ieee.org> May 24 07:41PM -0700 ^<#1302858792c5b3fd_digest_top>
> > > the Edelux. My guess is that if you don't have something shielding
> > the
> > > underside of the Edelux from the spray coming off of the wheel (like
> > > fenders), then you may very well be having problems.
>
> > Bill,
>
> > I have my Edelux mounted in the same location. I do not ride with
> > fenders (never have and never will) and I have been through enough
> > rainy weather over the 2-3 years I've had my Edelux that if it had a
> > water leak I'm sure it would have shown up by now.
>
>
> > Mine is mounted on the left fork, maybe 1/4 the way from the axle to
> > the
> > rim. I expect that it could get plenty wet there but it had survived
> > several storms before it finally succumbed to the elements in a storm
> > that really wasn't that bad. I am wondering whether it raining through
> > dawn caused an issue as the lamp cooled down while things were still
> > very wet? Maybe I'm over thinking the problem?
>
> > I am loathe to move it from the location on the fork as it makes for
> > excellent visibility to road hazards. Hopefully, the replacement from
> > Peter White will have the moisture issues resolved. My backup is a
> > Denotte that uses 4xAA batteries which survived PBP2007 and got me
> > through the SFR600k this year.
>
> > Ken
>
> > Topic: Selle An-atomica Made in USA? (& Still look for a proper saddle)<http://groups.google.com/group/randon/t/136000cad76bf47b>
> > Mine is mounted on the left fork, maybe 1/4 the way from the axle to
> > the
> > rim. I expect that it could get plenty wet there but it had survived
> > several storms before it finally succumbed to the elements in a storm
> > that really wasn't that bad. I am wondering whether it raining through
> > dawn caused an issue as the lamp cooled down while things were still
> > very wet? Maybe I'm over thinking the problem?
>
> > I am loathe to move it from the location on the fork as it makes for
> > excellent visibility to road hazards. Hopefully, the replacement from
> > Peter White will have the moisture issues resolved. My backup is a
> > Denotte that uses 4xAA batteries which survived PBP2007 and got me
> > through the SFR600k this year.
>
> > Ken
>
>
> > "i.kel...@gmail.com" <i.kel...@gmail.com> May 25 07:13AM +0100 ^<#1302858792c5b3fd_digest_top>
Bill Olsen
May 26, 2011, 9:51:10 PM5/26/11
to che...@comcast.net, ran...@googlegroups.com
Chris - Not having EVER competed in distance competition I'm totally out of the "league" of those who have already responded to this thread probably one of the "hardheaded and individualistic" randonneurs that you reference. Having long ago reached "geezerhood", I've long given up looking to get much faster and pretty much just looking to hold onto what little fitness I still have.
Like many of us, with work commitments and a family that includes (young) teenagers, my "training" is limited to the monthly 200K I manage to get in on the off season, the spring brevet series, and monthly longer randonnees over the summer.
It has been my (again, limited) experience that preparation for long rides is 25% physical training, 25% planning and preparation for the unexpected, and 50% "mental" preparation, my ride strategy for pretty much every brevet is to ride at the pace I would for a longer ride, such as a 1200K, including stops to eat, rest (nap), and just smell the roses. Since my 1200K completion time goal is in the 86-88 hour time frame, I'm not looking to set any speed records on brevets or randonnees, but then, I follow the philosophy that EVERY finisher under the time cut-off is a "winner." It is REALLY a bonus if I can help another rider complete the event under time, or better yet, finish and be in condition that they have enjoyed themselves enough to want to go out and ride it again!
Some randonneurs may have set other "more lofty" individual goals and may see a benefit of a personal coach but they may first want to consider if randonneuring is their primary sport, and perhaps their needs might be better met by the UMCF, Cyclos Montgnard, or perhaps the UCF.
Bill
> Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 19:50:24 -0700
> Subject: [Randon] Re: Training for us older riders.
> From: che...@comcast.net
> To: ran...@googlegroups.com
Like many of us, with work commitments and a family that includes (young) teenagers, my "training" is limited to the monthly 200K I manage to get in on the off season, the spring brevet series, and monthly longer randonnees over the summer.
It has been my (again, limited) experience that preparation for long rides is 25% physical training, 25% planning and preparation for the unexpected, and 50% "mental" preparation, my ride strategy for pretty much every brevet is to ride at the pace I would for a longer ride, such as a 1200K, including stops to eat, rest (nap), and just smell the roses. Since my 1200K completion time goal is in the 86-88 hour time frame, I'm not looking to set any speed records on brevets or randonnees, but then, I follow the philosophy that EVERY finisher under the time cut-off is a "winner." It is REALLY a bonus if I can help another rider complete the event under time, or better yet, finish and be in condition that they have enjoyed themselves enough to want to go out and ride it again!
Some randonneurs may have set other "more lofty" individual goals and may see a benefit of a personal coach but they may first want to consider if randonneuring is their primary sport, and perhaps their needs might be better met by the UMCF, Cyclos Montgnard, or perhaps the UCF.
Bill
> Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 19:50:24 -0700
> Subject: [Randon] Re: Training for us older riders.
> From: che...@comcast.net
> To: ran...@googlegroups.com
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